looked at other steel wheel slider rails builds.....i'm patient and if i have to sacrifice time for accuracy....iaccept it...i used linear rails on a build i did 4 years ago...600x400, 2040 extrusion....still have, works great...relubed 2 years ago with new bearings....but now thinking bigger...back then, hiwin linear rails.....and not their cheaper brand...today though, for a massive build, these have gone way up in price.....so, love what i have now....repeatabily is very accurate for multiple pass jobs.....but cost for a rebuild is.....boing!..... original build was around $1200
This is my short explanation of the 3 main rail types. - Inner and Outer rails are almost the same performance. - Compared to Linear rail, Inner rail and Outer rail are cheaper, faster and more stable for moving, but may not be as precise as Linear rail. - For Inner rail, if the working environment is bad, they may not be suitable, because the dust tends to accumulate inside the track and should be wiped down regularly. - Linear Rail has higher cutting accuracy. For more detail on spec, check with your supplier. Cheers Matt
Can you comment on inner versus outer slide rails? What are pros and cons of each? Also, what is the source of the decreased accuracy of inner slide rail versus linear rail? Are there specs?
This is my short explanation of the 3 main rail types. - Inner and Outer rails are almost the same performance. - Compared to Linear rail, Inner rail and Outer rail are cheaper, faster and more stable for moving, but may not be as precise as Linear rail. - For Inner rail, if the working environment is bad, they may not be suitable, because the dust tends to accumulate inside the track and should be wiped down regularly. - Linear Rail has higher cutting accuracy. For more detail on spec, check with your supplier. Cheers Matt
Cost is a big factor I'm informed and read that the linear guide rails are "more accurate", however for speed inner sliding rails are preferred. After using both linear and internal sliding rails I still prefer the motion of the later, and have not noticed any inaccuracies with the cutting. This is my short explanation of the 3 main rail types. - Inner and Outer rails are almost the same performance. - Compared to Linear rail, Inner rail and Outer rail are cheaper, faster and more stable for moving, but may not be as precise as Linear rail. - For Inner rail, dust can accumulate inside the track and should be wiped down regularly to maintain performance. - Linear Rail has higher cutting accuracy. For more detail on specifications, check with your supplier. Cheers Matt
Hi Matt. Thanks for another great video and presentation. I'm curious how easy it is for the rail mechanism to bolt onto your 30x30mm aluminum extruders (including the rear y-axis motor bracket). Have a great day.
Thanks Steve, I won't be attaching the rails directly to the 3030, I will be putting aluminium sheet to the edge on the profile to the outer edge of the frame, and the axis rails will be secured to that. The y axis motor will have a mounting bracket made to secure it to the frame. Cheers Matt
Thank you. The dimensions for the rail guides are on Cloudray Laser's Website or in their eBay listings. I have more info on my webpage. Visit www.mattsworkshop.net/diy-laser-build/ for more info on this laser build, I will be adding more information there shortly. If you have an specific questions you want answered shot me an email. Cheers Matt
Thanks, I am currently considering Aluminium Sheet for parts of the enclosure, However as I an planning each stage separately I am still working on working option this into the budget. Cheers Matt
Hey Matt, did you have any issues with your gantry? I have a couple issues with my cloudray gantry but I can't seem to get ahold of anybody to resolve some issues.
no - I have not had any issues with the gantry I installed. email a description of the issues to matt@mwlaser.com.au and I will see if I can gain some assistance from Cloudray for you.
Loving the series Matt. I want to use cloudray’s 1390 x/y inner rail kit, how did you pick the steppers and drivers for this? I’ll also be using the z lift kit-set b as you did. Thank you!
G'day. The Stepper motors were chosen for, 1st the mount size provided on the rails which was NEMA23, then x axis rail was physical size smaller so as not to put excessive weight on the rail as it would be moving back and forth as it is mounted on the end of a the rail. The Y axis needed more torque than the X axis as it has to drive the belt attached to 2 couplings and rods to move the two belts on the Y axis rails. The stepper driver was selected to suit the 3 phase motors chosen. and of course price payed a big part in the selection :) Hope this helps. If you have questions about motor and driver selection, I found it easy to email cloudray's support for answers. Cheers Matt
@@MWLaser Thank you Matt. Your thought/selection process is so helpful. I wish Cloudray had more technical specs/info on their site. I am in touch with Cara from Cloudray, but there is always some misunderstanding in the response. My fault for not taking Chinese instead of French in School.
@@ruftime Thank you Michael, If you have any questions of our products, you can mail us when you're free, our engineer will help you to deal with it. Hope will not make misunderstanding any more~
Cloudray has been sending out the wrong size bolts for all their gantry setups. The bolts that come with the kit are about 4-5mm to long. So if you order one, you might as well get an extra set from amazon. Also they don't sent enough belt with the 1390 size I ordered, and up from other known purchases. You will need to purchase more belt to complete. The belt sent is nylon reinforced, so you should replace it anyways with 3M 15mm HTD steel reinforced belts to eliminate belt stretch backlash when etching or cutting with higher acceleration settings. Cloudray needs to work on their QC when sending these things out. I also ordered a honeycomb bed from them a while back. While it is made of quality parts, I ordered a custom size of 1200x900mm. I received a bed that is much smaller than what I ordered and also had incorrect hole sizes in the grid. You select custom size for the outer dimensions of the bed, as well as three different hole sizes. I ordered the largest hole size but received 5mm holes instead. Better be talking with them if you're going to keep representing them Matt. I have two other friends that ordered different sized gantries from them as well and one was custom ordered to a larger size and is also came short by about 60mm and more on the other axis. The other friend bought a 6090 unit. It came with the long bolts like the other two did, but that was the only issue with that one
Hi Josh. I've received a reply from Cloudray regarding these issues. Could you email me at matt@mwlaser.com.au so I can forward you a copy of the email. Cheers Matt
question why do you use a beld for moving the x and y axes and not a threaded rod is much more accurately ?? I have a cnc with a beld and i am not happy with.
There are many reasons, but a few are: - in order to achieve the speeds required for engraving you would need a powerful motor to drive a threaded rod on the X & Y axis, this would then require larger and more expensive stepper motors and drivers, Also they may cause more vibrations and this can interfere with the laser mirrors etc, which results in poor quality engraving and cutting. If you want a more accurate setup than sown in this video, then I'd recommend using linear guide rails rather than the internal sliding rails, however they still use belt and pulley systems. Cheers Matt
For All Axis Belts I used HTD3M-15 Timing belt The closed loop units came with the Inner Sliding Rail Kit and Motor Mounts, I didn't purchase them separately. All belts are 15mm width.
Hey, Thanks for the great videos! I’m interested in building a laser cutter my self, was thinking about going the same route as Further Fabrication did, as its a good bit cheaper. Do you have any complaints on his execution oft he build, especially on his use of V-shaped extrusion for the x and y axis. Thanks again, giving great guidance and reasoning.
@@Dark_Knightro i built that y-1200, it won't cost you less than this, after you add cooling and all the accessories you'll be near 4500$ or more and the design is inferior and the parts like the gantry will give you nightmares. I'd go with this one if i was you
I wish when you asked cloudray questions.. they would actually have an answer other than.. it works.
Thanks Matt for shedding some light.
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback
Congratulations from Montreal Canada, you are a pro!
Thank you very much!
Bloody good mate.
Sorry I didn't see this comment earlier - Thank you. I'm glad you found the video helpful. Cheers Matt
looked at other steel wheel slider rails builds.....i'm patient and if i have to sacrifice time for accuracy....iaccept it...i used linear rails on a build i did 4 years ago...600x400, 2040 extrusion....still have, works great...relubed 2 years ago with new bearings....but now thinking bigger...back then, hiwin linear rails.....and not their cheaper brand...today though, for a massive build, these have gone way up in price.....so, love what i have now....repeatabily is very accurate for multiple pass jobs.....but cost for a rebuild is.....boing!..... original build was around $1200
I’m still wanting to do setup for my laser, shipping for the kit to Australia is a killer and I still haven’t found a suitable local supplier.
like the videos and was trying to follow along as I build my laser cutter; cloudray was useless to me. the shipping was more than the parts.
yes shipping can be expensive, one of the unfortunate aspects of ordering from International suppliers
Hello,
What is the difference between External Slide Guide, Inner Slide Guide and Linear Guideways ?
Thank you
This is my short explanation of the 3 main rail types.
- Inner and Outer rails are almost the same performance.
- Compared to Linear rail, Inner rail and Outer rail are cheaper, faster and more stable for moving, but may not be as precise as Linear rail.
- For Inner rail, if the working environment is bad, they may not be suitable, because the dust tends to accumulate inside the track and should be wiped down regularly.
- Linear Rail has higher cutting accuracy.
For more detail on spec, check with your supplier.
Cheers Matt
Can you comment on inner versus outer slide rails? What are pros and cons of each? Also, what is the source of the decreased accuracy of inner slide rail versus linear rail? Are there specs?
This is my short explanation of the 3 main rail types.
- Inner and Outer rails are almost the same performance.
- Compared to Linear rail, Inner rail and Outer rail are cheaper, faster and more stable for moving, but may not be as precise as Linear rail.
- For Inner rail, if the working environment is bad, they may not be suitable, because the dust tends to accumulate inside the track and should be wiped down regularly.
- Linear Rail has higher cutting accuracy.
For more detail on spec, check with your supplier.
Cheers Matt
You used the inside rails version, how did you come to that decision vs outside or linear rails? I’ve not been able to find pros/cons for each.
Cost is a big factor I'm informed and read that the linear guide rails are "more accurate", however for speed inner sliding rails are preferred. After using both linear and internal sliding rails I still prefer the motion of the later, and have not noticed any inaccuracies with the cutting.
This is my short explanation of the 3 main rail types.
- Inner and Outer rails are almost the same performance.
- Compared to Linear rail, Inner rail and Outer rail are cheaper, faster and more stable for moving, but may not be as precise as Linear rail.
- For Inner rail, dust can accumulate inside the track and should be wiped down regularly to maintain performance.
- Linear Rail has higher cutting accuracy.
For more detail on specifications, check with your supplier.
Cheers Matt
Hi Matt. Thanks for another great video and presentation. I'm curious how easy it is for the rail mechanism to bolt onto your 30x30mm aluminum extruders (including the rear y-axis motor bracket). Have a great day.
Thanks Steve, I won't be attaching the rails directly to the 3030, I will be putting aluminium sheet to the edge on the profile to the outer edge of the frame, and the axis rails will be secured to that. The y axis motor will have a mounting bracket made to secure it to the frame. Cheers Matt
Matt, as always another great part, keep it up! Do you plan to share the dimensions of the cut profiles?
Thank you. The dimensions for the rail guides are on Cloudray Laser's Website or in their eBay listings. I have more info on my webpage.
Visit www.mattsworkshop.net/diy-laser-build/ for more info on this laser build, I will be adding more information there shortly. If you have an specific questions you want answered shot me an email. Cheers Matt
Great video. I put rails on my 3030 profiles and made it myself. I am really curious with what material you close the enclosure...
Thanks, I am currently considering Aluminium Sheet for parts of the enclosure, However as I an planning each stage separately I am still working on working option this into the budget. Cheers Matt
Can you show me your made?
Hey Matt, did you have any issues with your gantry? I have a couple issues with my cloudray gantry but I can't seem to get ahold of anybody to resolve some issues.
no - I have not had any issues with the gantry I installed. email a description of the issues to matt@mwlaser.com.au and I will see if I can gain some assistance from Cloudray for you.
Loving the series Matt.
I want to use cloudray’s 1390 x/y inner rail kit, how did you pick the steppers and drivers for this? I’ll also be using the z lift kit-set b as you did. Thank you!
G'day. The Stepper motors were chosen for, 1st the mount size provided on the rails which was NEMA23, then x axis rail was physical size smaller so as not to put excessive weight on the rail as it would be moving back and forth as it is mounted on the end of a the rail.
The Y axis needed more torque than the X axis as it has to drive the belt attached to 2 couplings and rods to move the two belts on the Y axis rails.
The stepper driver was selected to suit the 3 phase motors chosen.
and of course price payed a big part in the selection :)
Hope this helps. If you have questions about motor and driver selection, I found it easy to email cloudray's support for answers.
Cheers Matt
@@MWLaser Thank you Matt. Your thought/selection process is so helpful. I wish Cloudray had more technical specs/info on their site. I am in touch with Cara from Cloudray, but there is always some misunderstanding in the response. My fault for not taking Chinese instead of French in School.
@@ruftime Thank you Michael, If you have any questions of our products, you can mail us when you're free, our engineer will help you to deal with it. Hope will not make misunderstanding any more~
Cloudray has been sending out the wrong size bolts for all their gantry setups. The bolts that come with the kit are about 4-5mm to long. So if you order one, you might as well get an extra set from amazon. Also they don't sent enough belt with the 1390 size I ordered, and up from other known purchases. You will need to purchase more belt to complete. The belt sent is nylon reinforced, so you should replace it anyways with 3M 15mm HTD steel reinforced belts to eliminate belt stretch backlash when etching or cutting with higher acceleration settings. Cloudray needs to work on their QC when sending these things out. I also ordered a honeycomb bed from them a while back. While it is made of quality parts, I ordered a custom size of 1200x900mm. I received a bed that is much smaller than what I ordered and also had incorrect hole sizes in the grid. You select custom size for the outer dimensions of the bed, as well as three different hole sizes. I ordered the largest hole size but received 5mm holes instead. Better be talking with them if you're going to keep representing them Matt. I have two other friends that ordered different sized gantries from them as well and one was custom ordered to a larger size and is also came short by about 60mm and more on the other axis. The other friend bought a 6090 unit. It came with the long bolts like the other two did, but that was the only issue with that one
Thanks for the update - I'll fwd your concerns to CR
Cheers Matt
Hi Josh. I've received a reply from Cloudray regarding these issues. Could you email me at matt@mwlaser.com.au so I can forward you a copy of the email. Cheers Matt
@@MWLaser Email sent
question why do you use a beld for moving the x and y axes and not a threaded rod is much more accurately
?? I have a cnc with a beld and i am not happy with.
There are many reasons, but a few are: - in order to achieve the speeds required for engraving you would need a powerful motor to drive a threaded rod on the X & Y axis, this would then require larger and more expensive stepper motors and drivers, Also they may cause more vibrations and this can interfere with the laser mirrors etc, which results in poor quality engraving and cutting.
If you want a more accurate setup than sown in this video, then I'd recommend using linear guide rails rather than the internal sliding rails, however they still use belt and pulley systems.
Cheers Matt
@@MWLaser ok i understand you point will think about it when i build one again !!
Which timing belt model you use for the X axis and Y axis. Also which model I use for the closed loop timing belt.
For All Axis Belts I used HTD3M-15 Timing belt
The closed loop units came with the Inner Sliding Rail Kit and Motor Mounts, I didn't purchase them separately. All belts are 15mm width.
Thank you Matt’s
Hey,
Thanks for the great videos!
I’m interested in building a laser cutter my self, was thinking about going the same route as Further Fabrication did, as its a good bit cheaper.
Do you have any complaints on his execution oft he build, especially on his use of V-shaped extrusion for the x and y axis.
Thanks again, giving great guidance and reasoning.
I must admit I have not seen Further Fabrication's build, so I cannot comment. I'll check it out.
MW Laser were you able to check it out? What your take on it?
MW Laser updates?
@@Dark_Knightro i built that y-1200, it won't cost you less than this, after you add cooling and all the accessories you'll be near 4500$ or more and the design is inferior and the parts like the gantry will give you nightmares. I'd go with this one if i was you
Hi nice video about how much did it cost to complete in US dollar thanks matt
mwlaser.com.au/diy-laser-build-cost-estimation/