How Many Hours Per Day Should You Run Your VS Pool Pump?
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- www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/page... - Learn how many hours per day you should run your variable speed pool pump. Unlike single speed pumps you should not measure your filtration schedule by hours, but instead by the amount of flow that you are able to achieve as well as how much electricity it costs. For more on filtration schedule programming for variable speed pumps you can read this article: www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/page...
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Best answer out there. Really appreciate it.
Thank you Steve
Thank you!
I have a Pentair sw 5p6 vsd2 variable speed pool pump and a Pentair heat pump inver temp 8t. My pool is 33000gals. I will be setting the heat pump to a fixed target temperature (and it will be overtaking the operation of the pool pump). What scheduling should I put on the variable speed pool,pump? Thanks.
What is advice when my vacuum connect through the skimm and when you schedule low sometimes the hose will break away from the skimmer port.
Also the skimmer isn't installed in the hole
Hope this makes sense
I do have variable speed but with this setup I have issues will running at low speeds
My thought:
Run a vari speed schedule with no vacuum during week and run the vacuum 1-2days a week on a Manual full speed
Hope this all makes sense
Does the pool vac also run 24/7 since I would be running the pump all day?
Does it make sense to run the pump 24/7 in areas of the country (los angeles CA) where the utility company charges more or less at certain time of the day? Can this pump be programed to turn on and off at certain times during the day?
Yes 3 settings you can program to run at a slower rpm. It uses very little electricity and still provides recirculating water. Your water should not be sitting stagnant in your pool. Mine runs 24/7 Have actually seen a decrease in my electric bill
My pool is 25,000 gallons. Pool guy has set it to 3,000 rpm and runs from 6am to 8pm… says water should turn over 1 1/2 times a day. My gpm fluctuates from 58 gpm to 48 gpm at different times but the RPMs are always 3,000. Skimmers are clear and i backwash like I’m supposed too. Any idea what could be going on? This is always happening
I have just taken over the maintenance of my pool so I am still trying to learn about general pool maintenance. I have an elevated side jacuzzi that when the pump runs, water flows out of the jacuzzi into the pool. If I run the pump below 2000 rpm, the water is still flowing through the pool, but not through the jacuzzi. I have set the pump to run on high (3000 rpm) for about 3 hours for the skimmer, so water does flow through the jacuzzi for the 3 hours. I would like to run the pump low and slow for longer periods of time but worry about not enough flow through the jacuzzi (I am seeing some green algae). I am wondering if the filter needs to be cleaned and if that might help with the water flow. It was cleaned about 3 months ago. Or, is there a different setting I should have the pump at. Appreciate any help you can provide.
Making sure you chemical balance is spot on is vary important ( bottle of test strips) also if your jacuzzi has a adjustable flow valve and with valves that control the flow to the rest of your pool you may need to adjust those flows to increase the flow to the jacuzzi even at a lower RPM . I always listen to my pool pump, you’ll hear it strain if you restrict the input flow to your pump . So try adjusting your flow valves, good luck !
Thanks for the videos Steve. I'm owner building a pool that's 34x16 and 20,000 gallons. Do you think this pump is too small? I called up my local pool distributor who recommended this pump and said itv should turn over over in about 20 hours, and I'm thinking now that's 20 hours at high speed...
How many turnovers do you aim for in your pool?
Does anyone actually do a GPM and TDH calc for selecting the correct pump? Seems like everyone I call doesn't ask how big the pool is, gallons, friction losses and just says go with a 1-1.5HP pump?
Do you know any recommended turnover rates?
Do you have a video for Calculating pool tdh?
How do you size the appropriate pump?
Thanks!
There are quite a few questions in there. More than I can answer here. Yes, people tend to not calculate anything for pumps. It is because it is so hard to quantify, and in the end there are only a handful of pumps to choose from. If you have small pipes then small pump, if you have 2" or larger pipes then a larger pump, but in reality a well sized filtration pump is something like 3/4hp medium-high head. This includes huge pools. So he whole market is set up wrong to begin with. ALmost nobody actually needs 3hp for a filtration pump, and most times these larger pumps can damage equipment or create dangerous amount of suction. I aim for 3x pool turnover every 24 hours. TDH is estimated based on the pressure on the filter from your system running normally, as well as the experience of knowing how pools work. But you are correct in assuming that when done by the letter all of this stuff if calculated, including the actual flow rates each pipe will have. It is a lot to ask from someone who will make $200 selling you a replacement pump. More like a quaestion that gets answered during a $5000 pool design project. For $200 all you will get is someone recommending a common pump that probably will work. As per your question about this pump, the pentair superflo is huge. It operates for both flow and power consumption like a 2.2hp pump. Which again, is pretty darned big. I have this pump running on my 20x40' 35k gallon pool. You could probably go smaller than this, but from Pentair the options are limited. The Intelliflo i1 is the only option. A digitally altered intelliflo programmed to operate as a 1hp pump but actually is a 3.95thp! Take a look at the flow rate comparison table I made at the bottom of this page to get a feel for thee difference in actual capability from one pump to the next: www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/pages/pump-reviews1.html
@@Swimmingpoolsteve thank you for the very detailed response Sir. That's a great pump comparison you put together! Thanks again for educating the world.
Thanks for the video. But can you tell me how many hours a day I’m supposed to run at a high speed versus a low speed?
Almost entirely at lower speeds. Just a few hours tops at higher RPM to allow for skimmer function and better circulation in the pool. Long hours at low speed is the secret to largest savings. This article will help you more www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/pages/vs-programming.html
@@Swimmingpoolsteve My pool seevice company just converted me to a pentair variable speed intelliflo thing. Now my pool is never clean, and the pool company says they just install them and its another fee to program it better. When should I run it at a high speed to have it ready for swimming during the day? I assume in the morning?
@@gial8862 OMG dude, same exact thing here! Had old single speed for years; ran it 6 or 8 hrs a day in summer, 4 hrs a day in off season, never a problem. Got the new Intelliflo and at low speed the dam thing wouldn't turn over a bathtub let alone a 50,000 gal pool! Got same BS from my installer; wanted me to hire them to get my pool clean. I just run the thing at maximum the same schedule my old pump ran and pool is now clean. That "variable speed" crap can go pound sand.
@@trevorsutherland5263 , Somehow it supposedly saves money to have the thing run on low speed instead of completely off. Not sure how that works. haha
So I figured out a little trick. Programmed the lowest speed option to 700 instead of 300, and the max speed option to 3400. There are two other speed options in the middle that i left alone. Also, I backpumped the water out of the pool until the water level was just high enough to enter my skimmers. This increased the water rapidity which sucked more floating crap into the skimmers. Now im good to go again.
@@gial8862 Mine (10,000 gallon pool) is daily at 1000RPM for 10 hours, and 2350 at 2 hours. I have no problems at all. The people who have problems are running the thing too low. Your pool should turn over 4 times a day. A 3HP Intelliflow at 750 RPM will turn over 10,000 gallons every 4:10 (hours:min). At 2350RPM it turns over at 1:16. So with my schedule I am turning the pool over a little over 4 times per day, and the flow from 1000 to 2350 is plenty to work the skimmers.
I bet the clowns having issues are running it 400-750 for 12 hours and never letting a 1 or 2 hour power cycle to occur at 2350 or higher. Running the pool for 24 hours a day at say 750 is not enough for even a 10,000 gallon pool. Sure, it will do 6 turnovers, but it will not have enough balls to run the skimmers.
Bottom line: Calculate your pool volume in gallons. Then determine the best speed to get at least 3 turnovers over a 10 hour time, then run it at 2 hours to get 1-2 more turnovers at a higher RPM. That is 4-5 turnovers a day (great in high humidity areas like Florida, less required in other cooler states) and enough strength to have working skimmers. NOTE: It differs from pool to pool, but use some common sense and logic.
Here is a simple chart for a 3HP motor, and my 10,000 gallon PoolVolume example:
750 RPM = 2400 GPH (PoolVolume / GPH = Turnover time at this RPM (10,000 PoolVolume = 4:10 hours:min))
1500 RPM = 4800 GPH (PoolVolume / GPH = Turnover time at this RPM (10,000 PoolVolume = 2:05))
2350 RPM = 7800 GPH (PoolVolume / GPH = Turnover time at this RPM (10,000 PoolVolume = 1:16))
3450 RPM = 11400 GPH (PoolVolume / GPH = Turnover time at this RPM (10,000 PoolVolume = 0:52))
Bottom line: Aim for at least 4 turnovers per 24 hours, BUT allow at least 1 or 2 hours for higher RPM to allow skimmers to clean.
I run mine 24/7 @ 1500 RPM and only turn it up to about 2500 while using so we can use the slide. I am right @ 93 watts there. I have a SWG so if the pump isn't running I am not generating any chlorine. Thoughts?
how many gallons is your pool
@@melanyhalliwell4891It’s about 24,000 gallons.
I think you could do a longer video to expand on that with a Live pump and show 100 RPM increments so show Watts vs GPM
I have a ton of those videos on this channel, but the video on this page would be one of the better ones to look at www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/pages/compare-savings.html
After hooking up the new pump i noticed that my filter psi is way down to 10-15 psi, compared to the 20 ish psi that it used to sit at for years using my single speed old pump. Is this normal? i run the new pump it at 3000 rpm mostly, is this enough psi to filter the water properly?
If you dial down the rpm of the motor this will inherently lower the psi on the filter. Even the exact same pump as before turned down would have changed the psi. The new pump itself is different and likely has different flow characteristics than the old one so even with both pumps running at 3450 rpm would likely have changed the psi. So with a new pump you have to learn your new clean operational pressure. When your filter is freshly clean, and the pump running on the highest speed ypu normally run, record the filter pressure. When this pressure rises 5 to 7 psi (when pump is operating at the same high speed operation) this means it is time to clean the filter. As for if this speed is enough for your pool there is not enough info. What matters is flow rates, not motor rpms.
I have a pretty small pool. I just moved into the home and Im fairly certain the pool cant be more than 7k gallons. I have the pentair pool pump and am wondering what might be a good 24hr schedule. I live in Phoenix so it is quite hot and we use the pool probably every other day. I dont believe there is anything special about the pool, its just your bare bones small pool, not heated or anything like that. I know its hard to give me a very precise schedule but anything remotely serviceable with the information I provided would be great. Thanks in advance to anyone who might respond and have a nice day.
7 gallons? Sounds like an aquarium!
7k
Mine (10,000 gallon pool) is daily at 1000RPM for 10 hours, and 2350 at 2 hours. I have no problems at all. The people who have problems are running the thing too low. Your pool should turn over 4 times a day. A 3HP Intelliflow at 750 RPM will turn over 10,000 gallons every 4:10 (hours:min). At 2350RPM it turns over at 1:16. So with my schedule I am turning the pool over a little over 4 times per day, and the flow from 1000 to 2350 is plenty to work the skimmers.
I bet the clowns having issues are running it 400-750 for 12 hours and never letting a 1 or 2 hour power cycle to occur at 2350 or higher. Running the pool for 24 hours a day at say 750 is not enough for even a 10,000 gallon pool. Sure, it will do 6 turnovers, but it will not have enough balls to run the skimmers.
Bottom line: Calculate your pool volume in gallons. Then determine the best speed to get at least 3 turnovers over a 10 hour time, then run it at 2 hours to get 1-2 more turnovers at a higher RPM. That is 4-5 turnovers a day (great in high humidity areas like Florida, less required in other cooler states) and enough strength to have working skimmers. NOTE: It differs from pool to pool, but use some common sense and logic.
Here is a simple chart for a 3HP motor, and my 10,000 gallon PoolVolume example:
750 RPM = 2400 GPH (PoolVolume / GPH = Turnover time at this RPM (10,000 PoolVolume = 4:10 hours:min))
1500 RPM = 4800 GPH (PoolVolume / GPH = Turnover time at this RPM (10,000 PoolVolume = 2:05))
2350 RPM = 7800 GPH (PoolVolume / GPH = Turnover time at this RPM (10,000 PoolVolume = 1:16))
3450 RPM = 11400 GPH (PoolVolume / GPH = Turnover time at this RPM (10,000 PoolVolume = 0:52))
Bottom line: Aim for at least 4 turnovers per 24 hours, BUT allow at least 1 or 2 hours for higher RPM to allow skimmers to clean.
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How to set up only one speed like speed 3
If running the pump 24 hours a day, wont that shorten the life of the pump?
It will not. They are continuous duty motors made for constant operation. The priming cycle is when most damage occurs, and low speed operations generate much less heat from friction, and heat is known to be a killer of electric motors. So low and slow 24/7 is actually better for the motor as opposed to worse!