I’ve experienced Christian cowardice, after being abused and absolutely no-one stood by me. This was 30 years ago, the environment in fellowships is often very “ culty “ and people become brainwashed to never step out of line. Bad things happen when good people do nothing.
This is a disturbingly common pattern. Often we feel partly to blame, until we find this out. I'm sorry you had that experience, but it's not your fault. Too many churches etc don't deal with these situations, or even cover it all up, which makes them culpable too. I hope you find people who are genuinely supportive, and take you seriously. I hope you find good friends elsewhere as well.
I’m with you Sam - I had some involvement in SS Festivals and Knew a lot of People SS Watford, St.Albans Vineyard- who knew people in the context - this was in the 90’s It’s brought up other areas of Spiritual Abuse for me thankfully my counsellor has trained in dealing with helping with SA and people coming out of cults - I really wish we wernt so Shallow as a Church Sam and People would Stand up.
..thanks Sam. I think you need to do this despite my comments on your other video... maybe Andy Croft might be up for the documentary as he has been cleared but has stood down from leadership and feels God wants him to leave the church... but he obviously has his own stuff to process - Give people time, it is all so raw at the moment....
...not really. a report is going to come out in March. In the church meeting after the investigation had finished we werent really given detail. Ive only been attending the church since 2019. Ive known of it since the 1990's though.
He was a bad lot right to.the.end and he thought he could hit the nadir and I cant forget what.he said in some final.sermonising. Dirty Old Greek Thats too good to.say of.this monster
My dear Sam.From what I can see you are a good-looking, intelligent and successful young man who loves Jesus.Might not, for your own sake more than anybody's, a bit of Christian forgiveness be in order?(Especially as Mike has shown remorse by resigning and seeking forgiveness?)Nice dog, by the way!
Thanks for the compliments... but 'a bit of Christian forgiveness' - gives a fair amount of insight into the very culture I'm trying to challenge. I'm just volcalising my experience which, because it was so similar to a number of other people's, shows there was a serious problem. Have a good one
I’ve experienced Christian cowardice, after being abused and absolutely no-one stood by me. This was 30 years ago, the environment in fellowships is often very “ culty “ and people become brainwashed to never step out of line. Bad things happen when good people do nothing.
💯 - I hope you've since found support
This is a disturbingly common pattern. Often we feel partly to blame, until we find this out. I'm sorry you had that experience, but it's not your fault. Too many churches etc don't deal with these situations, or even cover it all up, which makes them culpable too. I hope you find people who are genuinely supportive, and take you seriously. I hope you find good friends elsewhere as well.
Fully agree. It's why your work is important!
His work is not important unless he is telling people to get out of religion and ho straight to God
I’m with you Sam - I had some involvement in SS Festivals and Knew a lot of People SS Watford, St.Albans Vineyard- who knew people in the context - this was in the 90’s It’s brought up other areas of Spiritual Abuse for me thankfully my counsellor has trained in dealing with helping with SA and people coming out of cults - I really wish we wernt so Shallow as a Church Sam and People would Stand up.
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..thanks Sam. I think you need to do this despite my comments on your other video... maybe Andy Croft might be up for the documentary as he has been cleared but has stood down from leadership and feels God wants him to leave the church... but he obviously has his own stuff to process -
Give people time, it is all so raw at the moment....
Like the Post Office scandal and other iniquities, too many people looked the other way and avoided the problems.
Well said
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Do we still have the all the details though about the abuse?
...not really. a report is going to come out in March. In the church meeting after the investigation had finished we werent really given detail.
Ive only been attending the church since 2019. Ive known of it since the 1990's though.
@@JuliexSteadman so should not be like the rest of the world then and make judgements before the details are made official?
@@Mike.Cebert I think that is the point I have been making here. However Sam has experienced this personally so he knows.
He was a bad lot right to.the.end and he thought he could hit the nadir and I cant forget what.he said in some final.sermonising. Dirty Old Greek
Thats too good to.say of.this monster
My dear Sam.From what I can see you are a good-looking, intelligent and successful young man who loves Jesus.Might not, for your own sake more than anybody's, a bit of Christian forgiveness be in order?(Especially as Mike has shown remorse by resigning and seeking forgiveness?)Nice dog, by the way!
Thanks for the compliments... but 'a bit of Christian forgiveness' - gives a fair amount of insight into the very culture I'm trying to challenge. I'm just volcalising my experience which, because it was so similar to a number of other people's, shows there was a serious problem. Have a good one
@@SamHowson OK Sam.Thanks for the reply.