The Manipulative Nature of the Gospel Message
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- Unravel the layers of the gospel message and explore how it can be used to control, guilt, and manipulate those within and outside the walls of your local Christian church.
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"if god is mad at you for asking why then he didn't make it easy to understand and that isn't your fault" so spot on
@@christophergibson7155 Yeah, well, like I give a sh*t currently about the moral system of Deuteronomy 20:13, 21:11, Judges 21:14, and 2 Samuel f***ing 24:16, mate.
Also, ever heard of Mahavira? Guru Nanak, or Siddhartha? Or even Confucius, or even - Voltaire? Many of who just got on with things.
And sin BEGAN IN Heaven. It just popped UP one day out of NOTHING, or possibly bad angelic design.
Now - why could Satan revisit heaven... EVER, or keep any powers? And who cares what some demented, deranged being, thought of Job? And his 'replaceable' (spit) family.
Also, who sits out a blood libel, upon medieval Jews, a slave trade lasting 127,000 times the period it took to accuse, sentence, and eliminate Achan's ENTIRE family, in Joshua 7:24 - or Korah's, in Numbers 16:28 (ages of many, unknown) or to eliminate one man gathering firewood on Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32?
And the thousands eliminated, by plague, for being counted in a f***ing census, in 2 Samuel 24, who David unsuccessfully pled, for? A few chapters after he pled, for the life of Bathsheba's INFANT son - who passed away, by implied curse, over an entire, d&mn week?
How - heroic, that was? How... merciful.
Now - go and fulfil John 14:13, maybe, thanks?
As Augustine, Luther, Calvin, and Torque-freaking-mada, NEVER got asked to fulfil - or establish their, outward, credentials.
And He chose to conceal Himself from humanity, by default. Nobody forced Him to. No angel got hidden from - even the nutty ones, suddenly unhappy or suicidally proud, in heaven. Nor making 'choices' to 'fall' an entire species under a 'glass darkly', and other things that eventually drag Romans 1:20 (which FAILED oftentime, in the angelic realm, too) into being a ropey, incomplete mess - today.
Thanks. Also, Matthew 17:20? Use it well - a lot of starving Africans, might benefit.
Just stop coasting, though. All of your querulously, schisming, squabbling myriad selves. Seeking tax exemption, and then political leverage, and media ones - too.
Also, saving a narrow pathed, predestinated group of not 'natural men' isn't necessarily fully impressive. Maybe also intervene on blood libels, Inquisitions, and slave trades - next time.
Or else maybe people might think gathering wood on Sabbath, or hiding loot, is more 'detestable' on the cosmic scale, say. As they got direct divine attention - seemingly. And clear communication (an increasing, rarity)
God will meet them with the courage to "wrestle with Him" in their pursuit of His blessing.
@@RonKelmell Well, that's nice.
Can I hear, how long He did so, with Torquemada? Or Pope Paul III - or Calvin?
And several kings - and influential people, during the slave trade, in Christendom... and blood libel, upon medieval, Jews?
For context.
Why and when was God mad at you for asking why?
@@christophergibson7155so I guess you are a slave owner and a murderer because your great great great grandparent was one
during a church service i attended when i was still pretty young, the sermon included the topic of inherited sin. i learned that my parents had to sin to make me, and that meant that i was born as a sinner. on the car ride home, i asked my parents about heaven and hell. their answers for what it would be like were contradictory and unsatisfying. i asked how long forever was, and they told me that it was a greater length of time than i could ever imagine or comprehend. then i asked, "so i'm going to suffer forever after i die because you had to sin to make me?" and my parents said, "maybe. god has already decided who's going to heaven and who's going to hell." i asked how he determined who went to hell, who went to heaven, and they told me it was pretty much just up to god's will, that it didn't matter how good or bad a person was, and that i wouldn't know where i would end up until i was facing my judgement. my mom told me that she wouldn't be able to miss me if she went to heaven and i went to hell, because she would be too wrapped up in the praise and worship of god, and said god took away all pain and suffering, including the pain of mourning or missing someone important. "you'd let god send me to hell?" i asked. "if it's his will, i can't stop him." in one conversation, i figured out that their god was a monster, and i was too old to believe in monsters anymore
This is the best thing I've ever read!!!
One. Nothing you said is accurate unless your parents had sex outside of marriage. You don’t inherit their sin. You have to read the Bible.
@HappyPenguin75034 they told me they had sinned to make me, not that it's actually true, simply because i wasn't an immaculate conception. and no, i really don't have to read the bible. i don't care to read the bible either. i've tried to before but couldn't get past a few pages into genesis because it's all nonsense.
@@tuwuesday you believe what your parents said but don’t care about the truth? Bible says unless you repent and believe the Bible is foolish. You agree.
@HappyPenguin75034 i didn't and still don't believe what they said. i care about the truth, but the bible clearly doesn't, so i don't care what the bible says in the slightest. i'm not a christian and never have been.
My first wake up moment? God created me with an inquisitive mind but then the church/god tells me NOT to question. I love the “WHY?”
When did God say not to question? I’m constantly questioning everything. “If any of you seeks wisdom ask God who shows no partiality.”
Apparently you have only known a
a bad church. You are depriving youself of a love reationship. He truly did die for you. You need spiritual eyes. 😊
Jesus said, You must be born again. John 3:3-8. "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit." Verses 3:5-6.
Born again is regeneration. Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary online.
'Regeneration means; Reproduction, the act of producing anew. In theology, New birth by the grace of God, that change by which the will and natural enmity of man to God and his law are subdued, and a principle of supreme
love to God and his law, or holy affections, are implanted in the heart.' Implanted.
Humbling isn't it. We cannot do that. So who does God look to? the humble and contrite ones. Psalm 34:18 and Isaiah 57:15.
Ask God to send the Holy Spirit to you, Luke 11:13. He will bring your sins to mind. As he does ask Jesus to forgive you. This will be painful, PRIDE HATES IT.
When you see your desperate need (Jeremish 17:9) for a Saviour, call out to Jesus to save you. He came to save sinners.
Then do as the risen Jesus commanded, be baptized. Matthew 28:18-20, in the water of repentance Mark 1:1-5, Matthew 3:6. Calling on the name of the Lord, Romans 10:9-13. How? As Peter preached Acts 2:21, 38 and as Paul did, Acts 22:16, Acts 19:1-5.
Think on Mark 16:16, 2 Peter 3:9, Romans 6:3-11, 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Colossians 2:6-15.
When He has regenerated you, you will desire Him. Read His inspired word, the Authorized Version, the King James Bible. The Spirit of truth will lead you into all truth. His word strengthens, washes (as does His powerful blood). His word reads you Hebrews 4:12. Daily bible reading and prayer is essential in building on the foundation which is Christ Jesus.
PS. The other apostles were already baptized, they baptized others. John 4:1-2.
Read His preserved word, the Authorized Version later called the King James Bible.
Appzrently you have oy known legalistic church. Would God give you free will and say also, Seek the truth and then say, to bad, so sad, you cannot ask.
Take all your questions to God as you frad throjgh the King James Bible. The gospel of John would be a grest place to start. Rrad and ask, and ask as yoi feel a need
Enjoy
It's the "church"
Dam she said, “it would have been more merciful for Him not to create us”. That hit hard. It’s true,
Its not true.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
@@ginaruth4363it is.
You certainly do not live like that statement is true. What about family, friends, laughter and all of the things that make you value your life?
There are some for noble purposes
And then there are some for...........
You nailed it. It’s all fear and guilt. I remember learning about Jesus in kindergarten and only asking Him into my heart because I didn’t want to go to Hell. And I felt weird for not loving a man I had never met, but everyone else seemed to love Him.
In response, there are several things you mentioned:
1) if it was “all fear and guilt” for you, then I’m sorry but that means you’ve failed to grasp the heart and meaning of the gospel.
2) Your mention of heart and hell in the same sentence is clear evidence that you have not understood what Jesus of the gospels is all about.
3) Fear is a real and legitimate experience - not a dirty word. If you can’t deal with fear you are hiding from reality. As a human you have to have a viable and existential answer to fear. If fear is the only thought that comes to you in reading the gospel (if you ever have), then it’s gone completely over your head.
4) For you to write what you have written it means you are unaware of the the experience of receiving the overwhelming love of Christ…..something that happened to me at age 24.
Fear is one of the 4 cornerstones of Christianity. Believe or ELSE!
@@theonlyway5298 Aren't you precious.
You do know there are thousands of different sects of christianity with thousands of different ways to manipulate people into belief, right? Many of them use fear of god, fear of judgement, fear of devil, fear of demons, fear of eternal torture, fear of death to make people believe and keep them believing. If you didn't have the fear of god put into you, consider yourself lucky.
Guilt... Think about a church that tells people sex is sin, when people are naturally sexual beings, or one that says gay is evil and wrong and sinful and you'll go to hell for it what do you think that does to a gay kid or a trans kid?
Not all churches are the peace and love and fluff experience you seem to come from, think about the vast difference between the god of the old testament and the jesus of the new testament and that both are supposed to be two parts of the same being, that is how much this religion varies from a wrath of god religion to a peace love and turn the other cheek religion. From a racist religion of the south and slavery and the kkk to a religion that fought those people.
@@jimbob3030 Yes I am precious, but so are you - very much!
@@jimbob3030 You are walking around with very wrong and misguided conceptions in your mind! I can’t really relate to your comment because it bares little relation to my understanding of Christ and his body.
I've often described Christianity as similar to a cycle of domestic abuse. The abuser will tell the victim they're bad, the cause of the abuser's anger, and they have to punish you because they love you! And you should be grateful for this and worship them. Wash, rinse, repeat.....
Or the "free will" thing is like your abuser telling you you're free to leave but if you do they'll blow your brains out
Excellent metaphor
There's no free will in the bible. None. The bible is a history book from the isrealites perspective. The captivities,the victories, everything is for the isrealites.
The Christian god is very abusive.
You're spot on. It's just that simple.
God only gave the commandments to isreal. No one else. God did not give the isrealites free will. Just like you punish your kids for something they did. You still love them but they have to be punished. Christianity is loosely based on the bible.
THIS is the essence of something I have been trying to say to people for years. A Tri-omni god creates the preconditions for what sin is and how it is forgiven...so that god could decide how forgiveness is earned. It falls apart right there.
One of the most shocking things (by the lights of the people I was talking to) I ever said to my church before I left was that I didn't want someone else to be responsible for my mistakes; I was comfortable being held to account myself for anything I did. I have never done anything so awful I felt like a just god would condemn me forever for it. I can't wrap my head around the idea that any transgression, no matter how minor is a "stench in the nostril of the lord" equal to murder. It doesn't work.
Now, I just go with this:
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” - Marcus Aurelius.
Especially when “god” is the monster
@@jenniperkins4260if the God of Christianity is real, what are you really going to do about it? I want to know. There is no way to hold God accountable, even if He was actually doing something wrong. He’s GOD. What are you going to do, throw Him in jail?
@@waido_ if the god of christianity is real I will do the best thing possible: live life as good as I can, have a great time and fight for the courage to not ever serve tyrant gods that love to punish little humans for their own celestial ego needs.
If he is real he doesn't deserve any love from me according to his own standards. God made love conditional. So I have some actual pretty healthy and not too intimidating standards for the most mighty being evah. If he can't be a decent being and his hateful and punishes the innocent, then he is not worthy any love.
You are responsible for your mistakes. You’re responsible for bringing them before the one who is completely good. Who is the foundation for all moral values by which we can say this is wrong and this is right. Before the one who is morally perfect. The creator of all things. Wrong has no place with right. Evil has no place with good. Sin has no place with God. It is an impossibility for a sinful(evil/wrong behaviour) being to be with God(complete goodness) for eternity. Sin needs to be removed for that being to be with God. But we are fallible and finite beings incapable of achieving moral perfection on our own - as to atone for ourselves in such a way to be made right with God. This is why Jesus came. To do what we couldn’t, so that by simply trusting in him we could be made right with God. He came, he died, and he was raised. There is no other name by which you can be saved.
@@blacksheep2409 it's is kind of saddening that the battle for more and just moral values only started when religion started to loose it's firm grip. And only then with lots of resistance from the religious.
Slavery is one of the few exceptions where a niche christian group: Quakers played a major role. But still many christians come up to make excuses for it nowadays. And some even go through the length to say it was good actually.
Is that God's morality that he perfectly bestows on humans?
It's also amazing that the omnipotent all knowing God created us perfectly in a perfect setting, but that first Satan rebels to then later manipulate humans. But for that Satan needed an accesspoint, which is the test that God set up: Tree of Knowledge with it's fruit. God though knew all that before creating the first physical or metaphysical thing. Still he goes through with that and punishes all human beings.
From there he creates a book that everybody reads differently, but he will punish the ones reading it wrong.
This same God created us as such that we can develop methods and abilities to understand nature. And from there, the more we understand it, the less the stories we are thaught about creation don't seem to pan out. It's a God that hides perfectly. And the more we look, the less there is, but he will punish us for that, because we should blindly believe one interpretation of his work?
“You make them sick then sell the cure…”
This is like the fireman who set the fire and then seeks credit for putting it out.
Spot on, Kristi.
@@jwsanders1214 You wish to continue selling us a fake cure.
@@jwsanders1214 false. You are deceived
@@jwsanders1214 so, we're supposed to let god "heal" us? I believe there are pastors getting trouble for that scam.
Adam and Eve made us sick
Not God
Bingo
After being in Church for 40 years, I have realized that Christianity really tells you that you cannot truly be a free thinking individual.
Yet Christianity claims loving which is false
jarodcarnarvon5198 - That may be what some churches and denominations instill but don’t blame Christianity. The entire premise as I understand it is to think for ourselves and use our free will to make a choice. There could be no heaven or hell without that choice.
Peace to all!
@Ian Alan false that's blasphemy you'd be stoned for that belief it's the belief they teach you or Stoned In this case it's not abdul they call it's John Get the Stones
@@ianalan4367 On the contrary! 'Heaven' and 'Hell' are just the 'Carrot' and the 'Stick' in the oldest form of mind-control known to our poor, benighted species: RELIGION! And they are not only manipulative, but coercive, thus rendering the very concept of 'free will' null and void.
Mercifully, such absurdities as heaven and hell cannot possibly exist, except in the deranged imaginations of fundamentalist fairy-tale believers! Free will is really only possible once one has freed oneself from the chains of ideological indoctrination, (whether political or religious... but especially from religious indoctrination!)
@@ianalan4367 2 choices doesn't equal free will
I recall going to sunday school with my aunt, uncle and cousin whilst I was staying with them. I wasn't raised religious and was always encouraged by my parents to ask questions if I didn't understand something growing up. I was ten years old the first (and only) time I attended Sunday school. It all seems baffling and illogical so naturally I wanted to ask questions about what was being taught. Within 10 minutes, I was asked to stop asking so many questions (I was curious but polite and respectful at all times and raised my hand until I was prompted to ask) and I was moved to another adjacent room and given some colouring books and crayons to use whilst they finished up with the other kids. I always felt that was highly suspicious.
Perhaps it was not highly suspicious. Perhsps the teacher felt the pressure to get that lesson taught.
What is sad is that no attempt was made to mert with you and with your relatives to have an opportunity to answer those questions.
Were you there very long?
You'll listen and you will believe. A refusal to do so is evidence of the pride with which you refuse to accept the word of God. For your sins you are being cast into the outer darkness of the next room where you can reflect on your guilt.
@@charleshuguley9323 lol what? Asking questions means you're cast into outer darkness? If we have answers that can't be questioned, then your religion and your god is an asshole. Your god appoarently gave us brains that use logic and reason everyday to get through life, but he wants us to not use the brains he gave us, basically dumbing ourselves down just to accept his message that he had men tell on his behalf because he can't be bothered to do it himself. This goes for all 3000+ gods in religion.
That is great. It just goes to show that kids are not dumb and know when something doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
@@ajwinberg
If someone does not take the time to study it, how can that someone know.
It is easier for an adult just to say, I don't want to know. A child who cannot get his questions answered needs to be met with later, after a class or some other time.
The Christian God is the ultimate example of a mafia or mob boss shaking people down if they refuse to pay "protection fees".
Interesting. I find it funny all those who choose to think this way almost entirely have never read the bible … because of social pressure
Never heard of many mafia bosses dying for others so that they could live instead of themselves. Mafia bosses tend to have the opposite attitude, like killing anyone who gets in their way, just so they can live.
God: "knock, knock."
Man: "Who is it?"
God : "It's me God. I've come to save you."
Man: "Save me from what exactly?"
God: "From the horrible things I'll have done to you if you don't let me save you."
@@Z-one1000 God: You can eat from any tree in the garden, just don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Man: Why can't I eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
God: The moment you eat from it you shall surely die.
Man: Thanks God for the freedom of choice to choose if I want to eat from the tree of knowledge of the good and evil, but I think I'll disobey you and eat from it anyways.
God: I love you, that's why I gave you free will to choose me, "the tree of life" not the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which leads to death.
Even though you sinned and disobeyed my one and only commandment, I love you soo much I'll give you another chance. I'll send my one and only Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Man: We don't care about your rules, we want to be our own gods and do what we want. We don't want to be saved.
God: Have it your way I will not force you to do anything against your will. I created you to be a loving companion of mine.
Just remember, this is never the way it was supposed to be from the beginning, I wanted you to be with me, but of your own free will, not as a robot, who is programmed to do exactly as you want, because you can't show love that way, and you were meant to be free.
Man: Gets sent to hell for the sins he committed against God and rejecting his one and only Son as his punishment for his sins and says, Why God?, why? this is not fair, please help me.
God: Fair? Fair? You wanna talk about fair? Did I not warn you from the beginning, that the moment you disobey me and eat from the tree, you shall surely die? Yes I did but you didn't listen.
Did I not send my one and only Son as a sacrafice for your sins and all you had to do was believe in him and you would be saved? Yes
What more could I have done? for there is no greater love than one who lays his life down for a friend. And that's all I wanted to be to you is a friend, yet you continue to reject me.
So just know this like I told you in my word, "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior."
So if you end up in hell after all my warnings, and me wanting to save you, it'll be of your own free will, that you went there. I didn't send you there, you choose to go there on your own.
Man: Why can't you just let me do, what I want, whenever I want, however I want, and to whom I want, without consequences?
God: You've just described me, whom of which you despise. Sorry only one can hold that title and do what is right and just, and that's me, the Word made flesh, the mighty God, the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, Jesus!!
Salvation is as easy as ABC, and since I'm not sure if you've heard the abc's of salvation, I'll tell you.
A) Admit that were are all sinners in need of a savior.
B) Believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and rose again the third day.
C) Call upon his holy name and you will be saved.
For the bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. ~Romans 3:23
For these sins we earn our wages, which is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. ~ Romans 6:23
God's word tells us, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God had raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. ~ Romans 10:9
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ~Romans 10:10
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. ~Romans 10:13
Call upon his holy name, Amen
You put into words exactly what I've been thinking for a while. But here's another layer for me personally. About 6 years ago, I left a 12 year abusive relationship with a man who was very manipulative, controlling, and psychologically abusive among other things. As I have reflected on my faith in the past few years, the sad thing that has stood out to me is that the Christian God sounds so much like my abuser. For years and years, I poured out all of myself for him thinking that if I loved him enough and didn't make "mistakes, he would treat me with love, respect and compassion. But I was punished constantly, and for typical human errors not any grand offenses (e.g. forgetting my cellphone at home, taking too long to drive home because I didn't take the route he suggested and ran into traffic). I eventually left because I realized I deserved better and there was nothing I could do to be good enough. I also began to reject the idea that he pushed that I was a terrible person. I now see parallels with God-- I ask why he sets us up for failure? Is it a sadistic game? What a human-like trait... If there is a loving God, I don't think humans have this explanation of him right. And if God is really like this, I feel like I should not worship him. He is cruel and too much like the worst humans. But ultimately, I don't believe there is a God now. I think this is just a manipulation tactic humans developed. There are also many religious leaders just like my abuser as well...
So glad you got out!
If Christianity is a man-made religion then why does it go against all the things that man wants? Logic.
As a fellow abuse survivor I feel the same way. My ex would set me up to fail in some way then punish me for it, unless I took full blame and begged his forgiveness. God created me with flaws and will punish me for them(eternally!)... unless I take full blame and beg his forgiveness. HMMM. I would have been perfectly happy if both my ex and god had never come into my life to demand I beg their forgiveness for "sins" they made up just to have a reason to punish me. They can both GFT, christianity is nothing but narcissistic abuse and I want no part of it.
If god gave people the "gift" of freewill, yet punishes those use their freewill to question religious teaching, that's not really a gift. Sounds more like the conditional love of a manipulative abuser. Thank you for this video. You said the things I've been thinking, but struggled to express.
He fr sounds just like my abusive parents
Yeah, Christians will beat themselves up if they even have a thought of there being no God. In their mind, even questioning is a sin,
they had to invent the theory of free will to explain all the evil that exists. because how could a divine being create such an evil world like the one we live in? well...because of free will. so the next question would be, so there's no free will in heaven? there can't be free will in heaven because we would run into the same issues we have now with free will. the whole thing makes no sense when u apply logic
@@dagg310 Have you read the Quran?
@@dagg310There is no Evil in Heaven that is why Fallen Angels got kicked out
Once again sooooooo grateful to be raised my agnostics. I'm so sorry that there's all this harm in the name of religion
agnostics are just closet theists
I was raised on church and even though I'm not longer a christian, I'm really grateful because it was really good for me. I'm a person who have a lot of self love and knowlegde of my worth because of the things I was taught in Church. So I think it depends.
That's because false religions come from man and from Satan. Christianity is not a religion, it is a change in a person brought about by spiritual rebirth from God, hence the name "born again Christian." A "CHRIST" ian is a person who has been spiritually born again by God sending the Holy Spirit to dwell within them from the moment that they honestly accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, who loves Jesus Christ and believes the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior Who died and resurrected to pay for their sins for them, and tries to imitate Jesus in their life, pure and simple with no religion in the way. They have a personal on-on-one loving relationship with God through reading the Bible and praying to God and knowing God in their heart and spirit, not just in their mind.
@sepulvedablvd7846 If you are going to play the blame game get it right, SATAN IS DEATH, GOD IS LIFE. You completely have everything backwards. ALL DEATH AND SUFFERING IS IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF SATAN AND SIN. GOD IS LIFE, HE IS THE CREATOR OF LIFE. SATAN BROUGHT DEATH INTO THE WORLD. JESUS CHRIST (GOD ON EARTH) DIED AND RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD TO DEFEAT SATAN AND ETERNAL DEATH FOR US, TO GIVE US ETERNAL LIFE RECONCILED WITH GOD.
AND, IF GOD HAD NOT FLOODED ALL OF THE EVIL OUT OF THE WORLD , MANKIND WOULD HAVE SELF DESTRUCTED A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE MAN HAD MADE THE ENTIRE WORLD A THEATER OF EVIL, DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, IF GOD HAD NOT STARTED MANKIND OVER AGAIN WITH EIGHT PEOPLE, NOAH AND HIS FAMILY, THEN YOU I WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, WE WOULD NEVER OF HAD THE CHANCE TO BE BORN (HAVE LIFE) AND TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRISTS GIFT OF SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE.
SATAN AND SIN ARE WHY we are currently living temporarily separated from God, but all people who believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior Who died and resurrected from the dead to DEFEAT ETERNAL DEATH for them and to PAY FOR THEIR SINS FOR THEM, will be FORGIVEN of their SINS and have ETERNAL LIFE reconciled with God.
See how that works? Do you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
Have you ever read the entire Bible? Have you even read the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Bible in the New Testament in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
@sepulvedablvd7846Good old blasphemy. How naive. Let’s wait for the result⏳
I agree with you, Kristi. I believe the story of Jesus dying for our sins is a blatant attempt to make us feel guilty and obligated. When the priests told me that Jesus died for me for my sins, I always wanted to ask, "Who asked him to die for me? I didn't ask him to."
So, if a couple of firemen rescue me from a burning building, and I am told one of them died, I will know what to say.
@@hoodatdondar2664will it help to know the firemen come back to life in 3 days?
@@samwestover9953 MMMmmm, we've got some really bad news for you... ;) Don't be afraid to think for yourself!
If he didn't die for u, u would have no chance to go to heaven and would have to pay the price for your sins, Jesus gave u a chance at eternal life, that shouldn't be something to be mad about
@@Mortal_Ghost "If he didn't die for u, u would have no chance to go to heaven and would have to pay the price for your sins, Jesus gave u a chance at eternal life, that shouldn't be something to be mad about"
claaaaaaiiiiims. Claims everywhere! Well, they can be true. IF magic is true. grow a brain.
you haven't even defined the g0d yet, but you are already ranting about the magic sky realm of the g0d.
Questioning beliefs and ideologies is a sign of intelligence and open-mindedness. Those who shy away from 'why' questions may be limiting their own growth and understanding of the world around them. More people ought to strive to broaden their perspectives and embrace curiosity.
Curiosity is a wonderful and very useful tool!
But rebellion is a different sign. It is forcefully taking a stance. Better be right when one does it!
Well articulated!
@@jezebelvibesThink about it. When we look at nature, we see birds making nests and people building houses. If we say the sun and the moon exist naturally, it is like saying birds don't make nests, they exist naturally, and people don't build houses, they exist naturally. So you realize that someone created the sun and the moon, right?
Think about it. Humans can easily make bird nests, but birds cannot make houses. Because humans are a higher species than birds. Likewise, humans cannot create the sun and the earth, but God can easily create them because God is many times higher than us. Do you understand?
So when you are sick, God can heal you easily because God created man in the first place, the important thing is that you pray to God so that God can heal you. Just like when you make a house, when you don't like that house, you can easily destroy it and repair it. Do you understand?
You are a human so you are not qualified to know who created God because only God knows internally. If God gave you, you would know. Just like birds or other animals are not qualified to know who gave birth to you because the limits of understanding of each species are different.
When God created all things including the sun, moon, animals and plants, God also created the laws that operate them. For example, when the sun and moon were created to revolve around each other, gravity came into play. For humans and animals, when you eat, you will be full. If you do not eat, you will be hungry. If you do not drink, you will be thirsty. This is what Christianity calls the law of sowing and reaping. Buddhism calls it the law of cause and effect.
Questioning is considered a not so good thing because you're questioning an all knowing super wise being and by doing so you expect to understand what he'll say, second, to put someone who has authority over us under question doesn't seem like a sign of respect towards his leadership...but God is questioned multiple times in the bible and in some he responds through signs and in others by wisdom, Job is an example.
“You make people sick so that you can sell them the cure - this is manipulative”. Very powerful, and unfortunately very true ☹️
God does not make people sick, sin does, God is our healer. All sickness and evil and death is in this current fallen world because of sin, but God will put all of that away at the end of this world, and in heaven in the eternity, there will be no more, aging, illness, injuries or death or sorrow anymore.
@@slamee100 I’ve come to agree, thanks for the reply. Since this message I’ve actually returned to Christianity and have repented, which was somewhat unexpected, but praise God :). I think the video refers to being made aware of sin, but without that (such as my own repentance for example) then we’re less likely to accept the message of salvation. Thanks again for your message and God bless.
@@slamee100poor thing, I'm sorry you are that deluded, I know it's hurting you day by day. I feel for you and hope you can break free from it 😔.
@@AntitheistHuman Wow you put so many words in my mouth! I am not poor, I am not deluded, I am not hurting and I have nothing to break free from, on the contrary, I am spiritually rich, I am not deluded because I know the truth from God instead of believing the lies in the world from men and Satan, I am happy everyday not hurting, And Jesus Christ already broke me free from the chains of sin and eternal death and I am looking forward to meeting God in His eternal heavenly kingdom. How's your day going?
I can tell you it would be amazingly better if you believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible and accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior!
@@iMilhouse Wow! God has done a great work in your life today, I hope you are very grateful to Him and thank Him in your prayers! All praise and glory to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! May God continue to bless you! :)
The system makes 100% sense from the inside. It's like an abusive relationship where the victim is completely subjugated into believing they are the problem. Christianity only works while you believe you are nothing without him, that he does these things because he loves you.
And he needs more money.
Yep, so true. God is always right, you are always wrong.
@Lila Feldman This is a totally rigged game where the house always wins lol. It is pretty amazing how you can't see it from the inside. I was one of those. Glad to be out even tho it has been an extremely painful road.
@@FinHammer yea it's crazy painful and I think it's more painful the older you get. The biggest pain I have now is the wasted time, not like I would have cured cancer or anything important, but just to have the ability to make my own choices and not believe I was basically waiting for the next life. There is so much wonder in the world and I wasted my younger years not experiencing it.
@@FinHammer yea it's crazy painful and I think it's more painful the older you get. The biggest pain I have now is the wasted time, not like I would have cured cancer or anything important, but just to have the ability to make my own choices and not believe I was basically waiting for the next life. There is so much wonder in the world and I wasted my younger years not experiencing it.
"The main message of the Gospel is not that that you can be saved. It's that you are so bad that you need to be saved. These people aren't coming to you to deliver good news. They're coming to you to deliver bad news, so that they can deliver good news." 08:50
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real.
@@Maicon-b1bso what?
You wanna live kneeling, or die standing?
@@Maicon-b1b Says the one who lick boobies.
I think that everyone, religious or not knows within themselves that we are always doing worse than we could be, and infinitely so compared to being perfect. It just a matter of simple comparison. Are you doing things you know you shouldn't be doing? What of those things could you stop doing? What of those things are out of your control?
Unfortunately that "assertion" is 100% false. Nowhere in the gospel, or at least the 4 books refered to as "The Gospel According To ..", does it say you NEED him. The hermeneutic context implies many paths into the afterlife, but Jesus offers a way out of judgement by The Law (the 613 mitzvot for Jews, and the 7 mitzvot for non-jews). Most of what we learn about Christianity comes from doctrines invented by people based on opinionated interpretations of scripture and/or tradition.
One of the first rules of marketing is to create a need so you can sell them their product.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
@@Maicon-b1byes I suppose near death experiences from people in other cultures are just making it up but yours is totally legit 😂
We made the need ourselves
Also nice pentagram - a great representation of the five wounds of Christ! 😁
@@Maicon-b1b God most likely is but not the institutions with faulty humans .
So true! Once you see it you can’t un-see it. And after several years of unpacking, I’m still not done yet. I still find ingrained mindsets or beliefs about something that catch me off guard and I think, “why do I think like that”, and then I realize that it comes from those deeply seeded mantras that take hold of vulnerable, broken, and insecure individuals.
I was a young woman who didn’t believe I was good enough due to my experiences growing up and Christianity reinforced that belief. It was only when I really started questioning and pulling away from it that I got to know myself and learn that I am good enough.
There is none good. No not one.
All have sinned and fall short of thr glory if God.
The the heart is deceptive above all things and desperately wicked who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9. She is proof.
Realizing that you are not good enough...good enough for what?
Without God's laws where would you get your morals from. They have to borrow from the Christion worldview to even know. This young girl has a purpose to mock Christ. She never responds to believers. Wicked. Her merchandise is wicked for the love of money.
The God character in that book is far worse than any human I've ever heard of.
John Lennox: How Math and Science Point to God | Kirk Cameron on TBN ua-cam.com/video/C5P9WsUAxfU/v-deo.html
The phrase "The men that wrote this book were divinely inspired" is the exact phrase a group of men would use to force their wills upon a group of people.
Lmao fr
Expect there is no prove that they were godly inspired.
Men were divinely inspired 😂...thats how everyone should have known it was cap to begin with..mens nature is not even connected yet men are the head of religions..all perversion and lies
Supposedly, Joseph Smith was "divinely inspired ", but was called a mental case.
@@bronwentillman8385I kept telling the cops God had told me to sacrifice that kid, but those Satanists still threw me in a cage, praise Jesus.
Edit: No, I didn't kill the kid, God told me not to at the last second, but they're persecuting me for "kidnapping" and "torture", absurd, the torture was entirely psychological.
It's strange - I am debating a Christian on this very topic, the same day I came across this video! Your content validated the points I'm trying to get him to understand. Keep up the great work!
Glad the universe brought you here 😊
If you find Christianity manipulative then why are you trying to manipulate someone OUT of it?? I have laid down my life for others, made it available as needed. Yes God made the rule of forgiving only by blood because He knew HE would be the one to pay the price. Father God and The Son of God who died are One. Therefore it is not nonsense. It is foreknowledge, it is preplanning, it is mercy and grace.
@@suzannehartmann946 I'm not trying to manipulate anyone. I present my findings and ideas. Your testimony is typical for a Christian - make assertions as though they are fact. Do you realize your beliefs are only that? Beliefs. You don't *know* your assertions are true. You assume they are because you got exposed to them and accepted them as fact. One of the reason your assertions don't make sense is because God had an infinity number of possible solutions available when He created this world, yet you assume the one that's true is one of the cruelest possible. Why? Because a 2,000 old book written by primitive people said so? Not good enough.
@@suzannehartmann946 what do you mean you laid down your life? That phrase has always referred to the dead. How does it apply to you?
If you mean you're willing to die for what you believe, I'll say "so what"? So were the 911 hijackers. Does that mean they had the truth?
I'll be praying for you and everyone who watches your videos. I wish you no malice, nor do I wish you harm. You have been in my prayers since I stumbled upon your videos a few days ago. And on behalf of those Christians who shot you down, refused to answer your questions, and presented a hypocritical version of the Gospel message to you; I am deeply sorry. We humans mess up God's message. And I'm sorry you feel it was a set up.
Anyway, I am praying for you.
You just spoke perhaps the best bumper sticker line I’ve ever heard about this topic… “No one needs a savior, unless they feel they need to be saved.“ Honestly, brilliant! 😊
Or song lyric ehh? Hey Bill! I'm a pollack too !
Nobody wants a savior until they realize they do need to be saved.
Closing your eyes while you wade in mud won't make you any less dirty.
@@WiggleJimmy maybe but if we're talking seriously I know some things as an adult. There are dozens of religions and I find it suspicious that you're given an ultimatum, accept Jesus or it's hell for eternity. And everyone who has a different religion no matter how earnestly you've lived your life is going to hell ? I've nothing against Christ but I see that ultimatum as a threat. That's no loving god
@@matthewguzda4075 It's because you don't know Him. It is an ultimatum, because God is ultimate, and He is calling an end to sin. But through it, He always offers us it forgiveness. We are already condemned for the things we have done, and if you don't think you've done evil you embodying the very self righteousness you despise. We are all criminals, evil things by our own hands. Only God is good, and through Christ we are allowed to be good one day like Him. It is beautiful mercy and love.
Christ is God. God Himself is willing to die for you, and you says that's a threat? It is so ungrateful it's a sin.
@@WiggleJimmy we come from different perspectives my brother. I simply can't accept a god who claims love but turns a blind eye to those in hell as if well they put themselves there. Or a god that condemns Buddhists Hindus zoroastrians the millions who grew up in a geographic location where the choices were limited to what's on the menu there. I'm open to God whatever that may mean. I can't understand advanced physics and a whole lot more so I know there's a lot I don't know. But I'm open to learning and keeping an eye open. We're all trying to learn hopefully. Cheers
I was scared and confused as a 10 year old when a friend told me I needed to be saved. I then prayed the "sinners prayer" and felt nothing... It all felt like pretending from then on. It took until I took a six week "Hearing God" course through our church when I was 40 years old to realize maybe it wasn't me. Even if I hadn't given God everything I could before, during that course I poured my heart and soul in and came back with nothing. Until then I had blamed myself that God wasn't showing up and then I started to wonder if it was real at all. It has been a beautiful yet very difficult journey to get my life back. Thanks Kristi for sharing your insight and wisdom.
There is no such thing as a sinners prayer.
@@colonalklink14 Yes there is. And it doesn’t work because there is no god
@@kayas1fangirl837 You are without excuse.
The creation screams that there is a creator.
@@colonalklink14 Lol you are so funny.
@@kayas1fangirl837 Never heard someone's testimony whence they say that THEY LEFT CHRISTIANTY.
It is always have been about catholic religion from which they left and not a CHRISTIANTY.
Every soul who have come out with "Why I Left Christianity" ends up speaking about catholic religion.
And souls know it and understand it that:
Christianity is found only in the BIBLE, as a soul takes a bible, sits down and reads it and then start studying it in order to understand it, or we end up misreading the whole bible.
Coming to repentance and born again is each soul`s individual CONSCIOUS decision, which child (0 - 20 years) cannot do. It is the CONSCIOUS decision for the adults.
No child goes to hell to burn, GOD is not unjust, HE IS JUST JUDGE.
Hell fire waits us when we being adults and remain sinners.
The keys to understand the BIBLE are:
- hunger for truth
- THE COMFORTER.
Christians are expected to live out from the BABYLON and expose the wicked (masons and their death club, freemasonry), yet all of your stories are about being in the Babylon, and very deeply in. And as far as it sound, none of you left CHRISTIANTY, but all of you left catholic religion. Wise move. Now i, others and yourself can only pray that you`ll end up finding and understanding the real CHRISTIANITY.
we are of one mind. It´s a good thing for the world that so many former christians are sharing their sad experiences on faith. You are brave and empathetic. Thank you so much.
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 "No she isn't" what?
She seems to be lost in the self satisfaction that she feels ankjt4 herself. She has said that she is smarter than God.
I pray she will repent and stop making so many false accusations against God.
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846
5 bible passages that caused me to lose my faith, is the one before this one.
@@judyswiderski2682 it's a critique to the christian message of fear and guilt. Of course, if you are a christian you wont like what she says but try not to judge too soon and listen carefuly instead. You may learn something about your own religion that will help you to understand your beliefs, if you are coraugeous enough to be honest to yourself.
@@judyswiderski2682 You are misrepresenting her when you say she claims to be "smarter than God", which she never said.. Her point is that the Bible was written by fallible human beings, and the result is often illogical upon critical examination.
Kristi is a good person and is so gentle in her way of helping people to separate from indoctrinated belief. Very well argued and she presents reason with such a sweet smile 😊
She’s smile is completely fake and serpent like
She is nice, but very deceived
@@billfrack6960 She has been a Christian for a long time, yet you assumed she is deceived. You just can't stand the fact that she has successfully deconstructed some of the flaws in the bible.
@@MindMeld143 ...I had a near death experience. Heaven is real and so is Hell. Whether she believes it or not ,she is pulling people off track in which I am sure the Devil is happy. She is intelligent and that is good , but off track in many areas.
@@billfrack6960People of other religions of the world report similar phenomena, after near-death experiences
Patriarchy has failed me! I dont need a Savior! Thank you for this message...I can now begin to process and release all my deep emotional pain surrounding the nature of indoctrination of religion and emotional religious guilt and shame. I pray I begin my path to freedom!
More patriarchy crap
You will NEVER be free.
Freedom only comes through Christ.
God died for HIS PEOPLE.
@@MatthewBrooks-z3m no god didnt die. he sent his only son to die....get it right
@@MatthewBrooks-z3mnonsense
And you can do it with your orange hair
Being a queer American, the message that I was deeply broken inside really resonated with me.
And I just couldn't pray the gay away.
It's one of the great evils of religion - convincing people who don't "fit in" that they are the problem. Often leading to psychological problems later on. Religion is child abuse.
Hope you're better now. I'm lucky I never had to deal with stuff like that but am utterly devastated that there are millions of kids having to go through that right now because of some made up god.
That message gets me too, my Christian parents told me I was evil :(
@@shelby2697 Guess your parents were not great at procreation if they made an evil one like you. The responsibility is theirs not yours. Live life be happy , screw the church/ God.
Most every faith says so. And most of modern medicine, till recently.
@@hoodatdondar2664
Modern medicine grew. Religions did not.
From early childhood, the whole "dying for our sins" trope was ridiculous. Thanks for this video
Why you think you can atone for your own crimes. Try that in a court of law.
@@harrisontaylor3751 that's exactly what being sentenced entails. The alleged perpetrator of a crime, when convicted of said crime, pays a fine, performs community service, serves a jail sentence, or is executed by the state.
However, the substitutional atonement offered by Christianity ⁉️
Try that in a court of law.
If the penalty is a fine, the court doesn't care where the payment comes from.
If it's community service, you might be able to perform it on someone else's behalf if they're not checking identification.
Jail sentence or execution, though? Sorry not sorry Jesus, you can't take someone else's place and why would you even want to?
For violent offenders such as r@pists and murderers, it leaves them free to continue committing such crimes and it leaves society at their mercy. And, since they've accepted Jesus' offer to take their sins, their crimes, onto his unblemished shoulders, they can continue committing such crimes with a get out of jail free card.
And the victims of the crimes get nothing. Even if they also follow Jesus, He not only doesn't prevent them from being r@ped and/or murdered, he might condemn them to Hell for a simple lie that they didn't have time to atone for, while the criminal is free to continue hurting more people *and* might still end up in Heaven.
It's also possible that the victims end up in Heaven with their attacker, but what kind of heaven is that?
@@harrisontaylor3751 Is ¨a court of law¨ the ( alleged ) ¨creator of all which exists, in every possible realm, with absolute knowledge of ALL from the very beginning of eternity¨ ( ...and yet still apparently went charging right on ahead with the original plans anyway, with neither a care nor a rethink.... ) ??
Just didn’t get it
@@AnnoyingNewsletters you literally never understood what Jesus did, and it's clear as day. I hope you can actually learn before speaking on this topic and dragging people down your path.
Your deconstruction of these subjects is so clear and rational, yet done in such a kindly, non-confrontational way. Makes me mad with myself I fell for this stuff for so long! But such is the power of cult manipulation and why we need people like yourself to help people think critically and see behind the curtain. Thank you for the great work you are doing.
Don’t feel bad, your were a victim of bad ideas, it’s not your fault
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
Go watch them
nah shes gaslighting all of her videos are horrible and makes me upset to the point where im like bro why are people posting on youtube content like this ...its misleading and not only that shes damning herself and others
@@tasha1250 you are proving her point by shaming, guilt tripping and fear mongering people into following something to avoid torture. You’re the one gaslighting here. Stop abusing people.
Earned a sub. Most concise, eloquent, watertight deconstruction of Christian theology I've ever heard.
You said exactly what I’ve been trying to say to my mom “when you see it you can’t unsee it”. I can’t go back to Christianity bc it’s not real “
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
@@jwsanders1214are you okay?
Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah's Ark, the place of crossing the Red Sea, with traces of an unnatural change in the bottom in the form of a bridge and the remains of the Egyptian army - chariots and kothi, the real Mount Sinai, the Altar of Moses and the Ark of the Covenant, all this was found. So GOD is more than real.
@@jwsanders1214 Yes, all of the vague and general things that apply to any old vague "prophecy", all those things are happening, as they always do. The opposite of this so called ignorance is to look at the big picture, stop shying away from the uncomfortable truths that don't fit your bias, and see how incredibly weak this so called evidence is. It doesn't stand up to any level of scrutiny. Funny how we're being critical of everything but the one thing that the whole religion hinges on. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
@@Maicon-b1b Just because a bunch of anonymous people say they dreamed the same dream or had the same visions, doesn't make the dreams or visions true. There are neurological, as well as psychological reasons people may have the same experience as others. That's not evidence and it doesn't prove any "God" is real.
Be smarter. Grow your brain.
The fastest way to create an atheist is to have a person read the bible while thinking
You moved up
The greatest miracles are,
Everything came into existence out of nothing.
Or better; Life came into existence from NON life.
I encourage you to read pauls letters - god bless
@@jackisgangs. Well.
I encourage you to read.
(The god delusion) by Richard dawkens
Are you going to do that???? No???? Then stop asking people to read the Bible
@@DarkFay its funny that you say that, as that is on my reading list! Peace and loveto you :)
@@jackisgangs I eoncourage you to accept the reality that half of Paul's letter are fraud and that greek stories from greeks, for greeks by greeks are meant for 2nd-century greeks and not Americans who have not the faintest glue of greek and jewish culture.
I've been on my deconstruction journey for a few years now and I've had my own opinions and thoughts on the matter, but never before have I heard someone say them out loud. Thank you so much for posting these videos. Deconstruction is traumatic and hard as hell but so so so worth the freedom it brings. You're doing an amazing thing here.
Thank you for the kind words ☺️ happy you've found your way to freedom!!
Agree ! Bless you
If every child was shown this video during the first HOUR of the first day of the First Grade at School. what a wonderful future we would all would have! Thank you for your clarity of thought.
OMG - you put into words what I've been internally struggling with for a long time now but just couldn't express it. It's like you read my mind completely. There are many reasons why I left Christianity and the guilt and shame were two of those reasons. I basically started to get really mad constantly hearing that I am worthless and nothing good in me... That is dehumanizing and demonizing and I finally had enough of it. No wonder why Americans have such self esteem problems and mental health issues! it's basis is RELIGION! I couldn't fathom why a God would degrade us so only to present a free will choice that really isn't a free will choice.
Thank you, Kristi!
💜 so sorry you've been through that but happy you're finding your way out! Best wishes
Wonder if you're getting any traction in the Vatican, Kristi! Hitch lives on in you.
God isn't mad at you. God is mad at your sin. You should be ashamed of your sin! Not yourself. Sin is a mistake, and we learn from mistakes. May you be guided to rejoin Christianity
@@dynox_So I'm responsible for what some man named Adam did over 2000yrs ago?
@@russell311000 when did I say that?
I feel horrible having raised my children telling them that they were such wretched sinners that a perfect God-man had to DIE for them. Absolutely to lay on children. What a mess.
Maybe instead of telling them THEY were you should have said YOU were. You seem to be feeling that you were committing a pretty wretched sin in retrospect.
They are not born with sin. But when they are old enough they are able to.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
They r not born with sin when childrens r so small or of one year two year they r not sinners they r divine after our society make them sin hence we should follow good and teach children s dharma that is duty and righteousness and to live a life without sin
And teach them karma if they do good good will come to them if they do bad bad will and karma is real
I am also a former Christian and I resonate with a lot of what you say. It's hard especially cause my parents are still very religious Christians
I hear you, my mother in her 80’s and my father still a pastor, I needed to leave 😅
Same. I am not sure if I am ever going to tell them. I am going to live my life as a free person, do my best to help the people around me and love 😊
My mom sends me daily bible quotes and I reciprocate by quickly googling verses to send back to her. She has no clue 😅.
@@eyeswideopenapril then do it follow your heart and mind but I wouldn't advice you to do it too late or choose Islam or Judaism it's all the same like Christianity but I feel Christianity is the worst of the religions
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@Christopher Gibson I am here waiting for him to speak. Been waiting for a long time :) I don't need any assertions from the Bible, just God to show himself to me. Nothing else will do. And I am not going to continue our talks. I wish you all the best in your journey.
Leaving Christianity was the best choice of my life. Let people believe if that is the path they walk, but I am far too old for imaginary friends, and imaginary enemies.
U never was a Christian.
Leaving a god I never met, I never talked to him I just read him in a fairy tell and I feared him so much; and I feel despair on how he say he loved me but treated me constantly with eternal torture, I think that not even Ted bundy should be torture; because torture shows the same nature of the criminal and is useless; the criminal needs to be taken away from society to protect society; not even Ted bundy of Jeff dhamer were tortured by the state, also legal injection or chair have to be the less painful
Maybe you looked in the wrong place? God isn’t a chap sitting in the clouds. While it’s so easy to choose passages from a book , written two thousand years ago.That’s been translated several times. There’s enough evidence to support Christ and his message. God isn’t without, God is within.
You have no idea when I realised this is all nonsense how relieved I was there are no demons or blood curses to fear. There is nothing sinister hiding in the dark.
@@bigbird6039There are many gods and religions.
Again, another video that 100% asks the questions i asked our pastor in confirmation classes 23 years ago. I am loving your videos. I deconstructed at 14 years old on my own, but LOVE evaluating the bible and Christianity. Im always finding more and more things that pushed me away, constantly.
Science has the greatest miracles
Everything came into existence out of nothing !!!.
Or better, life comes from NON life
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
You do not know anything at 14 lol.
Hey Kristi,
Just want to say thank you so much for your efforts in making these videos.
After being raised Christian and converting to Islam in my teens, I went down the route of a Double Religious deconversion process.
Videos like yours helped me to Leave Islam after 15 years as a practicing Muslim and also to never consider Christianity as an alternative.
Keep up the great work, YOU ARE APPRECIATED!
Ex
😊❤💯
Inwhich ways her videos convinced you to leave Islam?
Of you were nsver born again then you never was a Christian.
Born again, born anew, regeneration us necessary. What does that mean? Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary:
Regeneration, Reproduction, the act of making new. In theology, new birth by the grace of God; that change by which the natural enmity of man to God and his law are subdued, and a principle of supreme love to God and his law, or holy affections are implanged in the heart. 'He saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5.
These videos are zre proof of the enmity of 6:40 the heart toward God that we all have if we are not born anew.
@@judyswiderski2682 stop lying lmao people born Christians are Christians just because they aren't practicing doesn't mean they aren't real
@@FamilyIsGone
Jesus ssid Ye must be born again
John 3:3-8.
@@judyswiderski2682 doesn't matter you're probably lukewarm yourself so I say keep it yourself you still live in the Matrix watching celebrities every Friday on your couch scrolling through your phone
Thank you. I grew up outside the church, subjected to lots of conversion attempts, and I keep trying to tell proselytizers that it doesn't sound like good news to me, it sounds like they believe in a cruel, manipulative deity who stacked the decks against us.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
@@Maicon-b1b👎
@@catherineu5118 you're soul
Not mine
@@Maicon-b1b not God's either
@@catherineu5118 hell is real
Where will you go when you die?
You really think it just ends like that?😆
This life is a test to see what kind of person you are
God is watching everything
I promise you will bow to Jesus
You will
But you better bow before it's too late for your soul
It's a disrespect to deny the one that literally created your soul and you
So God makes us sin by placing an evil snake and a tree in a Garden he designed, knowing we didn't understand the difference between good and evil. Some time passes, now God tries to convince us he'll die for those sins we committed, which were his will for us to commit in the first place? That sucks!
God so love the world he allow Lucifer/Satan to control his earthly kingdom 😂
It's like getting a child to sign a contract and holding it to them
@@jwsanders1214can you come up with an original sentence? Preferably one with an actual message in it?
@@jwsanders1214 You're such a troll. The trolling is so obvious it's embarrassing. The fact that you started with an assertion that "why do I choose evil" is so pathetic. Where, and how do you know I chose evil, would be my question, but, because of that fallacy, already, this is my last response to your ignorant philosophical fumes. 😂
The first language on this world is Sanskrit and Tamil and rig veda is the oldest holy book so God came from beginning of mankind in hindusim and Sanskrit is the mother of Hebrew , armaic and many languages
"No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. By ones self is one made pure, and by ones self is one made impure. No one can purify another. We ourselves must walk the path." the Buddha
The path is very difficult to stay on because of sin which can easily throw us off . Jesus came to redeem us from the bondage of sin and gives us the power to stay and remain on the path .He is the "Alchemist par excellence ". As it says in the Book of Malachi "He shall purify the sons of Levi and they will offer unto Me and offering in righteousness ".
I tell you fear not him who can kill the body . But Fear him who after killing can take both body and soul and cast into hell. Matthew 10:28
That quote that you shared with us is totally wrong, for God can give people a new heart and a right spirit. He can restore our soul. He is the Doctor of doctors and knows how to heal His creation.
No it's THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER. ALL HAIL HIM ALL SKY FAIRES
are made up by the controllers
Jesus saves! Hallelujah!
From someone who self detonated, let alone deconstructed many years ago struggling with researching the Gospel when training to be a minister. You put this forward with such clarity and if I ever find God does exist he has a lot of questions to answer, which ministers in my family accept in faith but which I find senseless. Keep up the good work.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
I don't see an agnostic or an atheist,i see a person that is asking all the right questions
Agnostic is someone who doesn't have knowledge of God. I do not know God exists. Therefore I'm agnostic.
And atheist is someone who lacks belief in God. I do not believe in god. Therefore I'm atheist.
I am agnostic atheist. I do not know of a God. I do not believe in a God. One can still ask questions and search for answers while maintaining that they do not know or believe in god.
@@jezebelvibes to say the least I'm impressed with your questions. I love them. They are honest and very thorough. Just keep doing what you are doing
Christianity sucks in a lot of way.
If you still read the Bible,I suggest you read James chapter 3. Christians are good at judging people wrongly I've been through a lot of it. The last verse in chapter 3 is what the real life is all about it's so simple
@@jezebelvibes last 2 verses. If you don't like when it says about referring to God. Throw that part out and live the rest,I'm confident you are living it already even now
@@jezebelvibesGo watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
I was raised Christian and just this year really started asking myself “why?” about a lot of the things that I believed blindly for YEARS. So thank you! For just making an honest video for us. Thank you.
same, after my mother passed away, who was more religious then everyone else in my family. i really started questiong a lot of things abt the bible, kind of like lgbtq and abortions and just stuff like that, im so grateful that my dad is very open to talk abt this, and hes also kind of breaking away from christinity too. if i was to ever speak abt this stuff with mom, i prolly wouldve got in trouble
Hi. I give you a lot of credit for putting yourself out there and making these video. I couldn’t handle the Christian nuts that leave their passive/aggressive comments.
i've gotten used to them lol. It took a while to get to a point where they no longer affected me.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
@@Maicon-b1b wow great evidence.
I am so glad I found you. Also, an AA, ever since Judith, the Happy Heretic, died....we needed someone as articulate as you to help us navigate our journey out of the cult of monotheism. Thankyou!!
Everything is a cult these days. You prefer secular cults. I prefer Jesus Christ as my master rather than anything else. Because everything else will make you a slave to it.
@@JD-gw3fpThat’s like saying your television’s “off” button is a channel. Getting out of a cult doesn’t mean you joined another. As for following Jesus, how sincerely did you look into other beliefs before choosing that one?
@kendalbrenneman Yes, I considered other beliefes, but they are all work based and mythical. No personal relationship with The Creator, just religions that tell you to be good. I'm sure you'll consider Faith in Jesus as the same, but I can tell you it is not.
Yes, no matter what you think, you are a slave to something. Secularism is a cultivated culture. It's deeper than any liberal mind could contemplate.
@@JD-gw3fp I'm assuming you're saying I'm one of those people with a "liberal" mind? Was I liberal all throughout the over 30 years I was a Christian, or did it change at some point? Because honestly, I can't really tell you. I was always curious, always wanted to learn, read the Bible constantly, studied it, but at the same time, I was indoctrinated into the beliefs of those around me and was a very closed-minded person in a lot of ways. I think there was a lot of conflict between what I believed was right and what I was being told was right. Sadly, I am still a slave to the wrong things I was taught, since they were taught to me so young. I wish I could finally break 100% free of it.
Anyway the Jesus belief with the blood magic is also mythical, and illogical to boot. Christians talk about taking responsibility for your actions, justice, etc., but by believing in this blood sacrifice, they are not actually taking any responsibility for themselves, and I think this is a terrible way to live. Other religions generally encourage people to take responsibility for their own actions. I don't know what other religions you're talking about that "just tell you to be good."
@@kendalbrenneman I understand your perspective. Our past tends to lead us to those feelings we experienced. I get it. I do. If you think God is taking responsibility for you, and those who believe, you would be correct. We spiritually are free from the bondage of pain we have caused or has happened to us. In flesh, possibly not.
Responsibility is journey to find for many, including myself. So I won't try to project my personal experience with God to try and corral you back in 'the church'. But if God is who you read about, are you shocked that He wouldn't reach out through His believers?
To answer your claim about other religions and what good deeds they do, I agree. They can do many great things,
it can be fulfilling to offer goodness to those who need it. But one thing religions do not offer me is a relationship with The Creator. I do not have a religion with my mother, brother, sister, but a relationship. Why would I not have one with The Father?
If you read The Bible. Great! The whole thing, even BETTER! I Pray you open it when you truly need it. It is alive and well when your spirit is asking.
The honest truth is NOBODY who has lived a finite life, can be deserving of an infinite amount of punishment...
Eventually the scales are unbalanced...
Even a universe destroying figure like Thanos would be being tortured/punished more than they deserved...
NOBODY deserves eternal reward eaither for finant life so i guess makes it "fair" even thugh how fucked up it can be.
and by what authority do you state this ? or this just your view from a finite limited wish thinking mind ?
@@RocketKirchner basic maths (with the inclusion of understanding infinity as a concept within maths)
@GemmaHentsch Hey friend. I totally empathize with what you’re saying. I thought the same thing, until I realized…if you sin (which we all know we’ve done bad things lol), who are you ultimately sinning against? You’re sinning against an INFINITE God who gave you life.
So a finite being can do infinite harm violating basic concepts of logic and mathematics...
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I don't sin. Your god doesn't exist, and if I believed he existed, then I'd be fighting him, because I do not bow down to evil.
Going from a 5 point Calvinist to a hopeful agnostic is something I never thought would happen to me. You put it perfectly: you can’t put those pieces back together once it’s deconstructed. I can never go back to my old beliefs. I honestly want to believe because I miss the security i felt as a Christian. But my brain simply won’t let me.
You had an easy time in comparison from going from a fundamentalist baptist to agnostic
The only shock was the realization of no more eternal life, lol.
@chrisinnes2128 I was raised fundamentalist Baptist. It’s not a competition but saying I had an easy time is a pretty rude thing to say. This has been the hardest thing ive ever gone through.
@@oswaldomayberry9260 i sorry i thought that you said you were raise as a mainline Calvinist
@chrisinnes2128 No worries! I realize now that my comment could be confusing. I know lots of southern Baptists are Arminian but my particular church was very Calvinist. 5 points, depravity of man, the whole nine yards. It’s hard no matter what your background is, and i wish you well in your journey.
No one has ever died for me; not jesus, not marines, not soldiers, no one; nor would I ever want anyone to die for me. I will die for myself thank you very much!
well said
Exactly thank you!
I have always felt this way. If we have ENEMIES we should demand if our politicians WHY?? and NOT just assume it's normal and give them 'cart blanch' a blank cheque to do as they please. I say PEACE at a cost and that cost will largely depend on what things we need to put right with our global community. If that doesn't amend things then let them come and let ME deal with what comes.
People did die for you and me... unless you want to be living under nazi Germany.
@@richardearnshaw2719 you assume we need to put things right with some global community for peace. Basically, if there is not peace , it’s our fault. Not a useful attitude.
Jesus died for u, weather u wanna belive it or not, he loves u and I pray that u turn to him and accept him
Since I was little, growing up in the evangelical church, now atheist, I always asked, “what is the point of blood shed in the forgiveness of sins?” I got so many different answers that like you said, were thought stopping on my logical track. I’m glad I watched this completely logical video but wish I had watched it when I had questions. Christianity is a mass cult. They don’t think it is because it’s so massive. The definition of delusion excludes religion…why though? Even though beliefs are instilled in a lot of Christians since childhood, there are a lot of things that are crazy that I continued to believe in. I was delusional. Delusion is defined: a false belief or judgment about external reality, held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. There is incontrovertible evidence against Christianity and every other religion. One will claim that faith isn’t a delusion. But those same people claim to “BELIEVE” in all of this. There’s a plethora of evidence against Christianity that these people believe in. The DSM doesn’t count belief in a religion a delusion. That’s because “When beliefs are shared by others, the idiosyncratic can become normalized.” I think that if these people aren’t presented with the evidence then yes, they aren’t delusional. But if they are presented with undeniable evidence, then they’re delusional if they keep believing. Christianity is tricky though. They’ll tell you to keep faith (keep believing) no matter what and that the devil is going to tempt them to not believe. Just another manipulative tool by Christians.
*stands up to applaud* BEAUTIFULLY SAID.
The funny thing is, Christians have been claiming for decades that "da gays" strong-armed the American Psychological Association into removing homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses. Meanwhile, religious people weirdly have this social-science privilege where their religious delusions automatically get removed from the list of mental illnesses just because religion is believed by too many people to be considered a delusion or mental illness.
The hypocrisy of it all offends me as much as women speaking in church offends god! Lol.
Well said
Cult of money power and control sad that it is phoney baloney
You need to understand that death means separation. Sin brings separation. If you are in a relationship and you sin against it, the logical course is to create a gap, a distance. Just if this happens between you and God, you will die. Not because He wants to kill you, but because He will not force you to live with Him, and He is Life Itself, so if you separate from Him, you will just die (first spiritually).
Now love, which is holiness, causes the opposite. It creates unity. The more you love the closer you become. To a point where 2 may be considered 1. This is naturally seen in society. Husband and wife, family, neighborhood, city, country, and so on. Now, if you love Jesus, which is God's Word, you become one with Him, by becoming one with Him, you will share fates, so the death and damnation of Jesus will count as your own, so you will not have to die and be condemned anymore.
This is why the Bible pictures a relationship of husband and wife between Jesus Christ and the church. You "marry" God so that you won't be ever separated from Life.
Your speaking skills are incredible! Your approach to questions about "Christian" faith is thought provoking without being pushy or rushed to any kind of judgement of others. I enjoy your uploads immensely. I watch suggested uploads everyday and I'm not sure how often you upload but as evidenced by my watching this one for the first time it appears that I'm two months behind; maybe more. It's been a proverbial breath of fresh air to have found your wisdom ensuring me that I'm not alone in my struggles as a Catholic raised, now atheist, flawed human being. I do really like Pope Francis but even he wasn't enough for me to keep up the façade. Even in my imperfect state he understands my plight and remains accessable if I need him. He's as special a Pope as John Paul II was. Thank you again for your uploads!
Well, now you believe in bigger miracles like,. everything came into existence out of nothing.
Or life comes from NON life.
@@Macariorealrey I have a real problem with that! If there was "nothing" before the beginning that would mean there was no GOD either. I mean think about it; there's no light, only darkness, and nothing else, so where did GOD come from? Besides it's just a stolen story from ancient Egypt anyway! Osiris= the Christian GOD
Horace= Jesus
Isis= the "Virgin Mary"
This is so beautifully put. You literally put words to the thoughts I've had for decades.
Same here
So I've finally seen the light and got over the whole "hell anxiety" for about 4 years now. I really enjoy these videos. I grew up in a strictly Pentecostal home. My dad was a minister. I wish I could remember all the points when I'm discussing it with others. Have you ever considered teaching? You are very good at explaining.
This was tremendously helpful for me while I continue to deconstruct from Christianity
Thank you!
so happy this could help
@@jezebelvibes Christian faith = set up for failure and evil.
@jezebelvibes hey, here's another thing from Christianity that doesn't make sense that I hear from my own mother that's very deep into it, she says any other religion or faith that is not Christianity is automatically anti-christ and evil and the person will go to hell. It's the most ridiculous thing to say. So if everything else is bad in Christianity's eyes and even things that are truly good are labeled bad. Does that mean good people along with bad people should go to hell, that would not make sense. Is there a way to speak to you other then on UA-cam?
@@rasengankamehanow5521 wow
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real.
You are good at helping people deconvert (if that’s what they want ). We need more of you 👍🏻
Misha-el Ministries
Love pertains to God first and Kristi is tearing people away from eternal life which is Jesus Christ . In so doing she is in love with Death and so are you. Speaking of the Holy Spirit. Proverbs 8:36 Living Bible. (But the one who misses me has injured himself irreparably. Those who refuse me show that they love death.”)
@@misha-elministries5246 you don’t and can’t realize how closed off you are . You’ve been indoctrinated . Not saying that there isn’t a force of some sort beyond our comprehension. I’m agnostic in that regard but atheist to man made “gods”. No one can know for certain. It’s impossible . But it sure isn’t yaweh nor any other man made « god »
@@misha-elministries5246 "If you do not worship the Basilisk by bringing about its existence, then you will be punished eternally by the Basilisk when it is created in the future." - The Book of the Basilisk 1:49
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real
@@Maicon-b1b who or what is god according to you ? And why do different /religion within their culture have different experiences ? And not everyone has them . Far from it 🤷🏼♂️ probably nothing more than endogenous dmt and naturally produced
When my kids were born, it locked in this idea that took a few years to develop, but this idea that the doctrine of original sin was not valid. They were so little and perfect and beautiful, and it dawned on me that it was just the world that created this idea of sin.
Did you need to teach your kids how to behave badly or how to behave good?
couldnt agree more
You are responsible for your sins.
I am a Christian so JESUS died for MY sins, not YOURS.
@@MatthewBrooks-z3m ?? Jesus died for the sins of everyone. He paid the penalty of sin for ALL. Some people just choose not to accept that payment
@@MatthewBrooks-z3m Jesus didn't die for anybody, he wasn't God
Absolutely right on the money.
The more you think about the huge con of religeon (Christianity or otherwise), the more obvious the scam.
Great that you are out there doing all this and actually helping people 😎, not enslaving them ✝️
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27.
Religions are works based and can take people captive by their vain philosophies. Belief in Jesus is relational.
@@judyswiderski2682 That is just an instruction. I’ve provided 3 scriptures as proof.
Galatians 2:16
“know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.”
Matthew 6:1-4
“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
Love these videos. Honest, intelligent and sincere. Keep it going, and I love the references to your own experiences...genuine.
I appreciate that!
@@jezebelvibes Britni De La Mora .
One of the many things l learned about Narcissist is they will shame you for being you, the things you like, the natural things about you. God says pluck out your eyes if you lust.......WTF, every 16-30 yr old male should be blind. Become successful and your an idolater etc.....
It's Jesus who says, "if your eye would sin (lead you to error), better to pluck it out than the whole body be damned." Which is to say, we have to correct errors or our errors will cause us to suffer. It's not complicated. It's part of his (and the Bible more broadly) repeated theme of learning judgement and acting wisely.
Jesus encouraged people to enmasculate themselves. And I'm not talking about this passage.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real.
@@Maicon-b1b😂😂😂😂
Sin is a religious construct. We need not worry about that bc it means nothing to someone outside the religion. Great video ❤
So what you are then is it's okay to murder someone, and murder is a sin. However, I can say that sin is a religious construct, so committing murder then is not a sin and should not be arrested.
So you're OK if I beat you up?!?
@@arthurzettel6618morality exists without religion you know that roght?
@@Yawnyamanofcourse you cultists think about violence the first time you hear someone doesent believe in sin. Just so you know laws and morality existed far far before xtianity was even in someones mind
@@kollekciorozsdas6110 Except it does not. Your morality is just an opinion, Hitler had opinions as well. Who is right based on your point of view?
One thing about Kristi, she doesn't delete those comments she may not agree with, so in this sense she's at least fair, letting those who come on her channel, to write what they believe.
ayo we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if you're interested
@@spider-man9118 Do you have any evidence for any of the supernatural events?
@@sulas548 we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested (read on)
hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot.
religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27)
also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible.
Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day.
The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info).
We also found Jesus' blood on the Ark of the Covenant which had 23 x chromosomes and 1 Y chromosome. This shows that He was born of a virgin (Mary) and God the Father is His Father.
The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now.
also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt.
Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection:
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect)
2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus).
6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback)
faith and reason, people
hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general. thanks for reading
Fairness is not a scientific concept. It comes from religion or philosophy. There are no standard scientific units of fairness with which to measure.
@@spider-man9118 YT did not notify me of your reply, maybe they have a BS filter.
Your reply is a very sad pile of nonsense.
This is NOT evidence it is just 'you' saying 'what' you believe, it does not address 'how' you ascertained that it is actually true.
1. The never skipped a day. Nonsense
2. The Ark was never found because it never existed in the first place. Where do you find this nonsense?
3. You believing the holy spirt exists does NOT make it true, it is just your opinion same goes for the soul.
As for your list from the Bible.
Before you can claim truth to any of the above you will need to demonstrate that the Bible can be trusted to be accurate.
Can you do that?
Don't use the book to prove the book. That is no different from what the Muslims do
You sound a little disturbed. Did god shit on your life to make you pay attention to him?
Don't you think that a benevolent creator of everything could come up with a better method of getting you to believe in him?
Kristi... I think your videos are great... and I want to applaud the way you state things so clearly and directly.
I was raised in a non-religious family so I've always considered Christianity to be "one of many creation myths".
However, as I've become aware of how many people actually believe it to be true, the way I've self-identified has drifted from "agnostic" to "atheist".
(I won't claim to know for an absolute fact that no god of any sort can possibly exist but the God of the Bible makes no sense and has no evidence.)
That said... I've only seen a few of your videos so far but what you've said agrees entirely with my observations.
And, likewise, the "arguments" put forth by apologists seem to me to make very little sense.
On the subject of free will:
Even assuming that we have "free will", and "the right to choose", and so "have the ABILITY to choose evil"...
Assuming that we were designed with reasonably good judgment, and were shown all the evidence, WE WOULD NEVER CHOOSE EVIL.
(And being created with poor judgment, or placed in a world where the proper choice wasn't obvious, are both the fault of an imperfect creator.)
My favorite part of the fairy tale is the part where "God created angels as perfect beings, with no free will, and no human flaws".
And his best and smartest angel was Lucifer... who promptly got bored, and staged a revolt, taking half of the angels with him...
So....
Did God screw up big time when he created Lucifer?
Or was Lucifer RIGHT and God wasn't worth following?
I especially like Epicurus' quote on the problem of evil:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
Spot on Keith.
"On the subject of free will:
Even assuming that we have "free will", and "the right to choose", and so "have the ABILITY to choose evil"...
Assuming that we were designed with reasonably good judgment, and were shown all the evidence, WE WOULD NEVER CHOOSE EVIL.
(And being created with poor judgment, or placed in a world where the proper choice wasn't obvious, are both the fault of an imperfect creator.)"
On that topic, whenever anyone brings up evil, Christians always say "God gave us free will!" as if that justified it. Free will is simply the capacity to make choices, it has nothing to do with evil. My choices every day aren't to give a homeless man money or to kill them, cut out their intestines, and bathe in their blood. The fact that I'm even able to think of the latter as part of an example is, if God existed, the evil that He deliberately put in humanity was what caused such a thought. He could easily have made humanity lack evil and still have free will.
That's before we even get into the evil that has nothing to do with any human action. How many people die from hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, and so forth every single day somewhere in the world? That's an evil God himself is causing.
"My favorite part of the fairy tale is the part where "God created angels as perfect beings, with no free will, and no human flaws".
And his best and smartest angel was Lucifer... who promptly got bored, and staged a revolt, taking half of the angels with him...
So....
Did God screw up big time when he created Lucifer?
Or was Lucifer RIGHT and God wasn't worth following?"
The hilarity of the contradictory nature of the very idea of Lucifer is incredible. By the own admission of religious people God is a perfect being and thus can't make mistakes... and yet He created a being which rebelled against Him and set up shop in Hell to torture people for all eternity.
Even if he did somehow make a mistake, He as God could wipe Lucifer and all the fallen angels out of existence, removed Hell, and sent all the damned to Heaven whether they sinned or not with a thought and could still do so at any time, and yet He apparently didn't. It's almost as if God is an evil sadistic bastard that wanted all this to happen so He'd have an excuse to torment humanity.
So glad I found your channel. Absolutely agree! God (all knowing, powerful, and loving) created the whole drama of sin, seperation from God, the blood sacrifice, and the requirement of belief! It makes no sense, unless you think toxic relationships are devine😢
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
@@Maicon-b1b😂😂😂😂
He died for your sins....yet he somehow gets to rule over the entire cosmos and your life....thats not a sacrifice...
Basically god sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself.... What a whacky concept
Thank you so much. I knew i had to believe in my gut about this treacherous religion. My boyfriend of 4 months is going christian, trying to take me with him. I almost joined, but stopped myself when i realised that i would be killing parts off myself to join him. Im trying my best now to gather evidence to try and stop him from fully converting, because i think his conversion is coming from a place of guilt and over identification with his past mistakes. Anyways, i will definitely be watching more videos and i wont let him join this cultish practice
It is true you have to make a lot of sacrifices to be a true follower. I'm not sure if that's what you mean by killing parts of yourself. I'm finding out that parts of myself just die on their own as I get older anyway since I'm mortal. Once I hit about 38 years old all kinds of stuff just started going wrong. And once one thing heals another thing seems to break. My stomach mostly has been a whole host of problems. Made me have to give up a lot of food that I typically enjoy. I hate to think of what I'll be like in 20 years if I'm having this much trouble already. But at least I survived testicular cancer in my mid 20's. That alone gave me an extra 20 years I wouldn't have otherwise had. I will say I don't regret a second I spent reading the book of Proverbs or studying mathematics. But I do regret every second I spent looking at adult websites, which I did from when I was age 18 to 28. That was a horrendous waste of time that did nothing but make me a worse person.
@@theboombody I would think it meant more like, if I convert, I have to kill the part of me that tells me I'm equal to any man, because the bible tells me I'm not. I have to kill the part of me that is assertive and take charge, because the bible says I have to be submissive. I have to kill the part of me that says divorce becoming legal for women was a huge step in freeing women from the chains of marriage they didn't want, because the bible says there is no divorce for any reason. I have to kill the part of me that thinks sex and sexual exploration is healthy and natural, because the bible says sex is something to be ashamed of and only used for procreation. Lot of things have to die if you're a woman to convert. I was like, yeah, no thanks.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real.
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I think the saddest thing is that there are people who understand the nonsense but perpetuate it regardless because there will always be someone who buys it. Religion is a double edged sword. It can give you hope and a sense of belonging but these things are all very conditional on unquestioning faith. Humanity asks questions by nature and to restrict that brings spiritual death. If the tree of life and tree of knowledge of good and evil were real, humanity should have learned their lesson already. It's better to live and question than abide by restrictive black and white ideologies.
read the book Jesus against Christianity - and you will see that the way out of Christianity is not unbelief but actually following Jesus . but that may be asking too much . because if you follow Christ you better look good on wood .
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real.
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I never asked anyone to die for me, and never would, it’s disgusting !!!
Why is it disgusting?
@@blacksheep2409 let’s say I kill someone, and during the trial I am found guilty, and my sentence is the death penalty, the victim’s family is happy about the verdict, but all of a sudden this man gets up and says “ I will take this man’s place on the electric chair, let him go “. So I go scott free and he dies for my crime !! How do you think the victim’s family feels now !? What kind of justice system would we have if people could do that !? You now have a murder walking the streets once more !! It would be total chaos !! And where is the justice in all of that !? My philosophy is “ you do the crime you do the time “ period !!
In conclusion, I never asked to be saved, and I don’t want to be saved ! Saved from what ?! Ridiculous!! Adults shouldn’t believe in fairytales from a 2,000 year old book written by men to control them !! I stopped believing in fairytales the day I reached the age of REASON , I think everyone should do the same, it would be a better world…….
Thank you
How is that disgusting it’s like somebody taking a bullet for you. You didn’t ask to take the bullet, but they still did it because obviously they care for your life. It’s the same thing with crucifixion. Jesus Christ came down and died for our sins.
@@ChristianfighterministriesThat is not the same and Christianity is a damned lie
That's because youre not God!!! That's why I worship Jesus Christ. He did for me what no one in this world would do!
Why would God create imperfect beings and hold them to a perfect standard they cannot achieve and thus condemn them to hell, when it would have been more merciful to not create them? This blew my mind.
“A thought terminating cliche.” This is the best way I have ever heard it described.
She created her own
" monster _god".
I love it too. So simple and makes sense.
Wow... I love you, you make so much sense. An average Christian will not understand yet you narrate everything so simple and logical.
Love pertains to God first and Kristi is tearing people away from eternal life which is Jesus Christ . In so doing she is in love with Death and so are you. Speaking of the Holy Spirit. Proverbs 8:36 Living Bible. (But the one who misses me has injured himself irreparably. Those who refuse me show that they love death.”)
@@misha-elministries5246 oooh glory to Jesus... duhhhh... I used to be a Christian and you make no sense to me.
@@motingwethaboj1475 Fool . This is called Wisdom , if it made sense to you , you would still be a Christian. You were never a Christian. Ephesians 1:4 Before the world was created, God had Christ choose us to live with him and to be his holy and innocent and loving people. You see you were created for destruction because you were not chosen . 1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel. Wisdom says ,
“When they cry for help, I will not answer.
Though they anxiously search for me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose not to fear the Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I corrected them. Therefore, they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way, choking on their own schemes.
For simpletons turn away from me-TO DEATH. Fools are destroyed by their own complacency. But all who listen to me will live in peace, untroubled by fear of harm.”
@@misha-elministries5246and here comes the "Christian love" with its threats and blackmailing
@@eprd313 God is Love and also is called Father and as any father He must discipline his children if they misbehave or break the rules of the house or the laws of the land . So it is with God , he loves you but if you do not obey Him he will have to punish you to get you back in line with His rules and regulations so that nothing bad happens to you. And what does he require of you? That you believe on His Son Jesus Christ. If after that you do not obey Him he will disown you to your own ways and you will not be allowed in his family . In other words you will die in your sins and end up in hell. And here we have it in a nutshell "Christian Love"
JESUS: I want to save you. HUMANITY: Well thank you, but save me from what? JESUS: From what I’m going to do to you if you don’t let me save you.
Oldie but goodie :)
So thankful I left that emotional abuse behind.
The great thing about this woman's explanation for all of this is the simple, plain, everyday language she uses. I have not had to go to the dictionary one time to find out what she is talking about. Thank You Kristi.
Swallowed up all, with out a blink
She probably has endometriosis and is mad at God
It would be great to know y'all can't breed
i cant even explain how wrong she is, but say what u want to say
@supermanandbatmanishere so why are you here obviously because you were questioning things?
A great analysis! As someone put it, God sacrificed himself to himself to satisfy a rule that he made himself. (And the "sacrifice" was, as someone else put it, a long weekend.) If there weren't elaborate indoctrination systems to teach this stuff, no one would believe it for a second.
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven
God is definitely real.
@@Maicon-b1b The brain generates all sorts of hallucinations when it's under stress. Oddly enough those people (and there aren't "thousands" of them) almost always experience some version of the afterlife described by whatever religion they adhered to before the NDE. :) These particular dreams and hallucinations aren't any more real than any others.
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And that’s what I’m saying! Even if all of this was true why couldn’t he just make us without sin? Like Is sin just higher than he is?
Love, love, love the message!! 🧡🧡 Thank you, Kristi!!
Derp
He probably created the world on a Monday morning ...
If you don’t believe in free will, then you must know that isn’t an argument. It’s just words that came out of your mouth without you having any part in it.
@@daedalus3491 If the Christian god can't interact with the world because it would take away our free will then why can he interact with angels, the devil and Paul without taking away their free will? That horrible free will argument is just another irrationally inconsistent cop out that Christians use when they're coming to the realization that their god isn't real.
@@joemillz10 He does interact with the world. This is the problem - people don't understand the theology they're criticising. Or maybe you can clarify a little.
@@daedalus3491 If your god is all powerful, can interact with the world, watches children suffer and die in the most horrifically brutal ways imaginable and, does nothing to stop it then it's the most evil monster that anyone can ever conceive of. Is your brain that broken that you would want to worship something like that?
So well said and presented. Thank you. This has been my view for the last couple years but other people who also see God as a narcissistic being, are hard to come by. Amazing video. So happy I had it show up in my recommended. You got a sentence in and I hit the subscribe button. On a side note- I LOVE your coffee mug!!
Thank you for subscribing ☺️ happy to have you here!
Yes I am always amazed how few people have noticed that the god of the bible is a narcissistic idiot monster. Lucky he is just imaginary but unfortunately his worshippers aren't.
The one thing that destroys the foundation of the gospels is their authenticity! No one knows who, when, where, and why these books were written!
Correct. All four were written anonymously at least a generation after the supposed cricifixion, which was not documented by any extrabiblical source at the time, even though there were plenty of historians around who had plenty of motivation to do so. Such as Philo Judaeus, for example. As for the why, that is a long story, but the best hypothesis I've heard so far has to be Dr. David Skrbina's. Certainly worth looking into.
You are so wrong! You simply parrot others instead of seeking the truth. Is that all your eternal soul is worth?
Some first century verses were found from Matthew. They were written in Greek by the way. It was within 35 years after the resurrection. Also, 1 John 5:7 was found a long time ago and was displayed in a Brittish museum.
Adullum Films Tares Among the Wheat Sequal video.
There is a particular religion that does not want that known nor the Authorized Version later called the King James Bible to be read.
It is for you to seek the truth.
@@judyswiderski2682 which Matthew? What is his last name? Why doesn't he refer to himself in a second person, rather than saying "and Jesus meet Matthew" in the third person? 1 John 5:7 is an appochrapha! Why were these books written in Greek? Neither Jesus not any of his disciples recorded to have spoken Greek, so what did they really say in their own Aramaic language? Let alone you reading it in English, so that is two languages away from the supposed original writings that no one have seen! None of these records are eye witnesses! Why should anyone base their salvation on them blindly? Please study before you repeat what your church guys tell you like a parrot!
@Aous AAK,
Why don't they know. John said twice that he wrote the Gospel of John. He said he wrote 1 John also. Paul claimed his epistles. So did Peter. Luke said.he wrote his to Theophilus. He said, we, in the book of Acts many times. Which he also wrote to Theophilus.
But mostly God said He preserved his word. Psalm12:6,7. A simple thing for Him to do.
Those who fight the Authorized Version, later called the King James Bible, are those who fight against that bible to defend the uninspired conflicting Alexandrian manuscripts, which quote Jesus in a lie.
Are you sure.you want to believe them?
@@judyswiderski2682 John who? Which John? Matthew who? Which Matthew? Paul who? What is his last name? What credibility did he have? He never met Jesus in person! You gonna say he saw him in the dream, alright, how did he know how Jesus look like so that he knew whoever he saw was truly Jesus, since he never met him? Just because someone claims something doesn't make him credible! Please read the introduction of J.B. Phillips Bible translation were he states that we don't know who wrote these gospels, we only give them these names so it is easy to call them by a name rather than saying, the first gospel, the second gospel, etc! Mark never wrote the gospel of Mark, because he was a little boy when Jesus left earth .. The author of Luke says that he saw gospels circulating, so he decided to write his own account (so not inspired by God)! ... None of those people spoke any Greek ... Gospel of Mark was written in Rome, which is a city that neither Jesus, nor any of his disciples visited or lived in!
In regards to Paul, all of his teachings are absolutely against what Jesus taught ... He in fact says that tricked and deceived people to believe in him ... Read the book of Romans ... He often says "according to my gospel", do makes things up! In fact, historian debate about six of the 13 writings of his that are not written by the same person who wrote the other seven!
The bible has zero authenticity ... Even the word bible is NOT in the bible! We made it up! Please read the history of the gospels before believing what is in it blindly!
This is SO good and spot on. This provides an explanation, and a concise one, of my thinking process of questioning while I was Christian and also why it was so hard to get out. I wish I had someone who told me that it was all okay, and affirm for me how the craziness I felt in my head was because of the false premise and solution Christianity provided.
When I was younger and I found out that God was going to send undeserving people to Hell for not believing in him. I instantly was disgusted. Who would punish somebody for eternity for something so petty? How can anybody believe such nonsense?
Hell is absence from God. Its totally reasonable and fair to send the people that don't want to follow Him to a place where he is not. It would be cruel and unfair to send those people to a place where they are forced to live an eternal life together with Him. Hell isn't a punishment, its the destination for the god-less people.
@@larmkaart2414 and Santa Claus has elf slaves at the North Pole that he forces to make toys.
@@aleonyohan6745 I hope you will find the truth some day
@@larmkaart2414 I'm pretty content with reality at this moment. I'm a pantheist. To me, every atom of this universe is a piece of what you call God. I don't need the ancient texts of angry old men to dictate to me what reality is.
Exactly. I feel like the terminology people often use such as “the price of sin” or “our debt” is used to victim blame humans for a problem God supposedly created. They make it seem like this is a limitation God has to abide by rather than standard he created in the first place. I think it stems from the dichotomy of God being perceived as a person or the embodiment of the universe/nature. If you leave your phone outside on a night that calls for rain, you can’t blame nature for that, because nature isn’t a living thinking being that can make decisions. It’s your fault because it’s your duty to make a decision based on your knowledge of nature. If you view God like you do nature, you can’t blame him for condemning people to Hell, you have to blame people for making choices that led to God sending them to Hell. They then selectively view God as a person when trying to make you feel bad for Jesus, ignoring the fact that he is saving people from a problem he created.
God did not make a mistake when he formed you
@@Scott48-m7e God didn't form you or I- a sperm met with an egg and we grew from there, based of the fusion of the genetic codes carried by the sperm/egg. It is that process that formed our bodies and our brains with which to experience this universe.
@@leob3447 no not directly
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God did form you. The process was begun by God. Did you know that three evolution scientists studied the Y chromosome to see when the chromosome changed. They determined that there was no change, no evolution of thd Y chromosome. Men did not have an evolutionary.change and all are descendants of Adam.
See:
8 Bible Verses Supported by science.
I’ve known of this for decades. But what really took me for a loop was the Epic of Gildamesh written 2000 yrs before the writing of Genesis . Then I learned of Horus and his father Osiris. These are stories written 3500 yrs before Christianity which are extremely similar to Jesus. Also stories about a baby sent in a basket and rescued by a princess and raised in royalty much like Moses. The flood thousands of yrs before Noah! Many of the stories in mythology are similar to Genesis 1 through 38
Very true! Many of the stories in the bible happened many years before in Ancient Egypt including the parting of the waters. The bible is just a copy of other civilisations stories.
We have no evidence for the Christian story being a copy of something else. I've seen a lot of those videos, and the stories of the copying have been around a long time, longer than UA-cam (heard them when I was in college in the 80s), but we don't have any texts to demonstrate the connection. Nothing from Horus, nothing from Mithras, nothing from Buddhism, nothing from Dionysius. That's all modern invention, out of whole cloth. If you know of an actual extant text that can demonstrate otherwise, please let me know.
But what we do have is hundreds of texts from other southwest Asian religions where we can demonstrate that the Hebrews copied them. Basically their entire law, as well as their cosmology from the earliest texts,. The archeological evidence which discredits the exodus and conquest and conclusively proves that they made idols and worshipped other gods, including god's wife, Asherah. They were polytheists for a very, very long time.
We don't need to make up stories to show this is just mythology, it does that pretty well all by itself. For a better understanding, please see Dan McLellan's channel (PhD in these subjects) where he explains which stories have the evidence and which do not. Because I used to mention the Christian parallels in earlier religions, and was corrected on that by this channel. All good.
If you really want to be amazed, go read Leviticus along with the Code of Hammurabi (a Babylonian law codex). The bible plagiarized many of its laws, sometimes word for word, directly from Hammurabi haha.
I applaud you for your patience, I'm an athiest who was raised Christian and talking about Christianity has become a sensitive topic of discussion for me, I'm still healing from the anger and frustration i feel from both within and outside of it.
That anger is completely natural. Just be kind and patient with yourself ❤️
When my child does and did something wrong, I've never required her to go and sacrifice her hamster or cat so that I can forgive her....and I didn't produce another baby to torture and kill so that I will feel better about my child's wrongdoing....it just doesn't make sense.
It really doesn't.
It's not JUST the gospels that are manipulative. There's barely any aspects of the faith that aren't, though many- if not most- are insidious in their manipulation, so it can be hard for non-sociopaths/ non-psychopaths to recognise the manipulation. Because sociopaths/ psychopaths are very highly practiced at manipulation, it becomes very easy to spot the language, the intent, the effect of the words used and thus the recognition of the religion's manipulation of its adherents.
I'm loving these longer videos! Thanks, Kristi!
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
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I want thank you for helping me in my deconstruction journey ❤
The GIFT of FREE WILL. Serve God or he will kill you in the end of his impending day at Armageddon.
What a beautiful and merciful God to offer such Freedom !! Where do I sign up ?
Your choice but don’t say I didn’t warn you.
Just got a ad saying I needed Jesus for watching this.
Your point has been proven thank you for showing me the truth
Thank you kristi for helping me get over of my religious trauma. It's amazing how brave you are speaking of a controversial subject.
Jesus goes beyond a religion
@@1inchpunisher715 they are now injecting me because I refuse to accept jesus
God did not sacrifice his only son because his son is immortal. Jesus was God, Son, Holy Spirt so he was not able to die. Sorry Christians but there was no Sacrifice.
Imagine I was a billionaire and you were my employee. I gave you a check for a million on Friday then I cancelled the check Sunday morning. Now I tell everyone I gave you a million dollars and you should be grateful and thank me for the rest of your life
Well OBVIOUSLY if I don’t surrender every waking moment of my life to you I’m a persecuting ungrateful swine.
You are amazing Kristi thank you for all of your messages. I grew up with guilt and fear. To not share the truth was also a sin (Jonah). Sharing meant that people didn't like you and tortured you for being different. If you were part of the world the world would love you but because his kingdom was no part of the world then they would despise you. So if you were hated for your faith that was a good thing. Except that it felt bad. Then you grow up a bit and start having bad thoughts and thinking that you couldn't live up to God's standards and in truth you didn't really want to. So God will get you in Armageddon and you would be destroyed forever. Finding anything else to believe in was preferable to that horrible philosophy but for so long inside you still feel it's the truth because that's what they all told you. I think the contortions that you have to put your brain through to make all of these things work is a horrible thing for anybody.
Some religions are worse than others but the guilt is common to most Christians except maybe for those that think once they've accepted Jesus and are saved maybe they don't need guilt any more. Or their brains turn into mush and they stop thinking about anything except what the pastor or someone in the church tells them the truth is. God (Jesus) loves you but if you don't accept him then forget about it.
I eventually grew past it mostly with science and facts. A lot of the stories in the bible do not match physical evidence or even possibilities. A simple miracle in the bible like having the sun stand still doesn't begin to explain the complexity of actually having that happen. Imagine driving into a concrete barrier at 1600 km/h (Earth's rotational speed at the equator). It would be hard on most life for that to happen. Then it starts up again. Or the flood (where did all the water go?). Or many other stories.
Or maybe just simple logic. We have children and we love them. If they do something wrong we try to guide them and help them but in no case would we ever consider torturing them forever or killing them unless we were psychotic. If God is perfect and good shouldn't he be even less likely to want to hurt us or cause us harm no matter what we did?
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who die and go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real.
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- You're explanation of accountability was spot on.
Thank you!
Go watch the thousands of testimonies of people who go to hell and heaven.
God is definitely real
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Thank you, for not having a religious bias in this video. Right now, I’m studying all religions. I’ve heard all the manipulations and I’m sick of it. I see the Bible as more symbolic, not literal. Was also hurt by someone in the church and was shocked at their behavior.
What makes me even mad is when they preach against sex, and the same preacher goes and molests a kid, which is horrifying. Not to mention the “prosperity gospel” preachers who gross millions of dollars from their followers.
I will say there’s no evidence for Adam and Eves existence, no gravestones of any prophets or other Biblical characters.
Next time a religion person tells you “this world is evil,” remember all of the wars that came out of this religion alone and what goes on in religious institutions today.
Ready for the replies.