WBP Fox Past, Present, & Future (Comparing Gen 1 & 2 Of The Polish AKM Rifle)
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
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Thanks for the video. My 1966 polish build from Atlantic has its forever home with me.
Love seeing your model room .always wondered how you stored all those
Great video ! My first Ak I ever built was polish military kits.I took the quality for granted because it was my first AK build. Then you see the parts from other countries and realize their stuff is outstanding quality especially the barrels! I love them. WBP stuff is also outstanding quality.
Side note. My AKMS underfolder bolt carrier does not have lightening cuts . All numbers match from 1980
Which I just recently picked up on.
I just got one of the last Jacks without the side rail from Atlantic. I was all about that basic/classic AKM look, and it being a well made rifle.
I just got the last jack red at Atlantic lol how do you like your jack ?
@@sunnycat69, it’s been a solid rifle; everything is straight, and it runs like champ🤘
Theres one with no rail on there today
My Fox has become my favorite rifle. One of these days I want to do a parts kit build. Although with parts kits climbing in price it might honestly be cheaper to buy a whole rifle, but wont have the satisfaction of building my own. Love the video as always!
Great video Misha! I love my Fox Classic. Very satisfied with the fit/finish.
I love my WBP parts kit build. The combo front sight gas block is great combined with the railed WBP gas tube. The barrels are awesome.
Nice review, thank you!
Love the paint on the new fox!
I just purchased a WBP Fox. Looking forward to getting it. Nice review!
I got my 2018 marked Fox in late 2019 . It has the lightening cut on the bolt carrier and the ridge on the recoil sprint/dust cover release but appears to have the old style of paint, so maybe it’s a “Gen 1.5”. I am very pleased with it and am now sold on the quality of Polish AKs. As a side note, I think the Polish eagle looks neat on the Gen 2 now that it’s highlighted in white.
Just picked up a Zastava in with red furniture. Would like to add the Fox to the collection.
I just love the name of the WBP Fox
Yes people do like Ak videos... keep them coming...
Just got mine today. Love it. Definitely a well made AK. I think the Fox is as good as Arsenal maybe better.
Awesome video Misha! I'm a collector in a way myself. I do have Arsenal SAM7SF, Zastava ZPAP M70, Galil ACE and WBP Fox. While I personally don't much consider Galil ACE to be an AK other than the fact it's build in AK platform. It looks noticeably different and has many modernized features compared to other AK variants. Therefore, that leaves SAM7SF, M70 and Fox 47 to compare. Out of this 3 I think Fox has the most smoothest action and feels a lot more practical. Arsenal has one of the cheapest finishes and SAM7SF is milled (it's heavier). Zastava is also noticeably heavier than the Fox and it's picky when you try to put different optic mounts or change furnitures. With all that said Fox is my most favorite AK variant out of my all AK style rifles. Cheers!
Lol I'm following your path. I have the ZPAP, Arsenal, Galil Ace, and now NEED the Fox. I don't know why, but the ZPAP being so heavy bothers me since it isn't a milled AK. I loved how light a WASR felt and I hope the Fox is just a nicer WASR.
@@KaizenLife good collection you got going there. I agree ZPAP is noticeably heavier rifle for stamped receiver. I think that has to do with its thicker receiver and thicker barrel that Zastava puts on these rifles. Upside, it definitely feels more high quality and has a good feel to it when you hold it. Downside, due to its already hefty weight there’s no whole lot of room to modify it. WBP Fox is a great AK rifle as well. While it also has a good quality feel to it, it’s much lighter than ZPAP. If you can get one I highly recommend getting it. I’m sure you won’t be disappointed. I put Beryl accessories on my FOX, now it looks quite interesting. I’ve been getting some complements for it and offers too. 😁 I’ve been meaning to make a video about my AK variants. Hopefully I can make it happen sometime soon.
My Fox was a lemon, however my zpap is almost as smooth as my Saiga's action maybe even smoother.
@@silentbigsteve3429 was your fox absurdly over-gassed like the Jack I recently got
@@timothymetropoulos7311 Not really just the trigger hammer needed work to smooth out which sucks
I’d love to see some information/comparisons between the wbp 556 and other akm 556 rifles. Thanks for the content.
Wbp 556 hasn’t come over yet.
The FB 556 have
@@bryanupton9872 yes they did. I bought one early this year.
The wbp 556 is a great rifle. Comparable to an slr106fr. My 106 was softer shooting.
@Brian Hess yes it also has a nibx bcg
Love my fox! I bought a sporter a couple years ago and converted it. Paint seems to be ok so far.
Can you convert to full auto?
Fox is my favorite amongst my lineups (Converted Saiga, ZPAP M70, WASR-10)
Thanks for another fantastic review I wanted to see since these WBP are being offered again.
I love my Fox. Got it in February of this year and shoot it quite often. It is my only AK but in the future I could see myself getting a Mini Jack as well. Or maybe the Beryl if I want a 5.56 AK.
One thing to add, I don't recommend the beryl optic rail that mounts between the rear sight block and the lug on the stock. It's very heavy and places the optic really high over the dust cover, so you can't even really get a chin weld. Also, the latch in the rear cramps the space to rest your chin against the stock and makes the gun feel cramped. I ordered an RS Regulate mount after having the beryl mount on for a couple months - long enough to realize it made me enjoy the gun less.
I bought one last year from AF with the red furniture. Almost too beautiful to shoot. Almost. I put a Beryl rail on top and have a Holosun 510 red dot with magnifier attached to it. Rounded the hammer a bit to prevent bolt hang up, and installed a Krebs retaining pin to replace the paper clip. Love it. Great shooter.
Thanks for the vids Misha🇺🇸✌
That gen 2 looks almost exactly like the one I purchased from you! 75** serial number. Nothing bad to say about it. Very Very nice. 1.5 inch groups at 100 if I do my part. I actually like the top mount rail. Very solid haven't had a problem with weld. A bit high but works great. Primary arms 1x6 for 7.62 rounds it out. Figure I am now hunting Beryl in 5.56. Broke but happy. Thanks Misha.
Bought my Atlantic build Polish kit AK back around 2016. Love it. Slight cant, left, of the front sight frame
Excellent video & amazed at your model collection.
Camera angle showing your model room looks great! Anywho, I love the Polish furniture. Both are beautiful! I’ve only shot a couple rounds out of the Lynx and was pretty new at that point. How’s the trigger? My ZPAP M70 stock trigger is smooth but has no wall.. does anyone know if these do? I’ll have to buy an ALG trigger sometime
Love this guy , thanks for info!
You mention US trigger, however, according to AF the Classic wood model comes with the original Polish FCG. I bought my Fox last Thanksgiving, so it is one of the Gen 2s. It was sighted in out of the box and it is very accurate. Everything is perfectly straight. The QC is excellent on these.
I got my WBP Fox Classic wood model in July this year and it came with the Polish FCG installed. However, my FB Radom Beryl 5.56 I bought in August came with a FIME FCG installed but they included the original Polish FCG in a bag.
Listen again regarding the trigger.
@@misha5670 "the US trigger's fine" that is even what the captions say when turned on. ua-cam.com/video/HbU6MchKryo/v-deo.html
You are mixing up me talking about Gen 1 vs Gen 2. Also it matters which furniture option you buy. Gotta have 6 US parts and if your HG & stock are Polish, then need the other parts somehow.
@@misha5670 You were holding the Gen 2 at the time. Which were you referring to? If you weren't referring to the Gen 2 that you were handling, how would one infer that you were referring to the Gen 1? You pulled the trigger on the Gen 2 and said "the US trigger's fine". As I stated before, AF lists the classic model as having the original Polish FCG. My Gen 2 classic wood model has no US markings on the FCG.
Just ordered new style 556 WBP Jack today...thanks Misha...
I just picked up two circle 11 parts kit 68 & 69 wonder how the builds would be compared to a wbp. Great video thank u misha. Love the shirt
Hey Misha will you be doing a review on the 5.56 Polish Jack? I am considering one thanks!
I’d still love to shoot with you some day! Great video as always
Nice overview, just got a KNS piston in my Fox.
I'm starting to get suspicious of those KNS pistons. I am not so sure just how healthy they relaly are for guns, long term?
@@misha5670 interesting theory, what in particular do you think they could do that a standard piston wouldn't. I get that more gas is getting vented, but it seems like that wouldn't be that big of an issue.
@@HAACKER45 Added stress on the bolt carrier.
Misha I'm from Poland and I watch only American movies about Polish weapons .. I prefer them to Polish movies .. generally I only watch American movies :) in Poland we watch mainly American movies! greetings from Polish homie
I would love a 556 Fox
And now for the Polish ammo.
I saw Mesko in stock at some places online, 7.62x39 and 9x18 both brass with non-corrosive berdan primers.
Good presentation as usual. 👍☕😎
The golden blonde laminated wood looks so good on an AK.
I have an early Fox that has lost a lot of paint but is is a fantastic shooter. I know you did videos on a couple of the factory .22 AKs but any experience with the conversion barrel insert style? Now that 7.62x39 is crazy is the conversion a viable option to keep enjoying these AKs?
Have a 5.56 Combo block kit build from AOC, high 100 serial no. with green mountain barrel, & FB receiver. fantastic rifle takes all mags except Bulgarian waffle
i have mini Jack in 7,62 ( i'm from europe), and a love the gun....its a good gun.. reliable gun
"I do like the wood look on these" How does he know?
Just playing I love you Mish
Oh, i know my way around some wood, let me tell ya'
@@misha5670 that’s what she said
Great video brother are you going to do a review of the wasr 10v2?
Sure, when one comes in the shop for a decent $$$. Remember, not really sponsered here. So gotta buy the guns or wait for a buddy to loan one for a video.
I hope one day WBP can set up shop in the states.
Loving my fox 🦊
Misha, off topic but do you happen to know some of the differences between the 1968 and 1969 Izhmash AKM kits that Rguns has for sale? I have heard the ‘68 will have more milled parts. Any old videos on this specific topic perhaps?
Both will have the same number of milled parts. They didn't start switching to some cast parts until the 1970s. That said, i doubt those kits are 100% original, as they left the factory in either 1968 or 1969. Parts get replaced in military service, rifles get rebuilt, etc.
If mine is serial FOX7027 does that pass for the upgraded batch? Is it all rifles over 7000 or is 7027 too close to the cut off? Thanks Misha!
How does this compare in quality to the Zastava M70?
Always appreciate your content. Thank you!
As someone who owns both I give the edge to the Fox. It has 2 different mounting systems opposed to 1, better fit (at least in my case), better furniture out of the box, and a bayonet lug. Finish is pretty similar between the two.
The two big "advantages" of the Yugo are a thicker receiver and bulged trunnion. In a standard semi auto carbine however, these really don't do much. It's an example of reinforcing areas that didn't need it.
The Yugo will also have a smaller aftermarket, and I'd predict the Fox will eventually climb in value to a higher ceiling than the m70 due to lower numbers of imports.
Both are excellent rifles but if I could only keep one it would be the Fox.
@@vault_dwelIer thank you for the detailed reply. I suppose I'll be looking at WBP pricing now.
Both are great!
@@vault_dwelIer would you say it's "military quality"?
@@rdh5961 That's hard to properly answer, due to 922r and import bans of "assault weapons" nothing truly comes in with military quality.
All of these guns are only as good as their converter. I've heard of few issues with Foxes in general, and they are forged where necessary.
The FB radom imports are probably a little closer to true milspec, but the Fox is no slouch and absolutely competes with the best of them. At least in my opinion.
I love my 2 WBP Foxes
Where did Jay go?
Maybe they broke up and he moved out. Trouble in paradise?
@@raymondshaw7908 lol Hey you never know in these times, right?
@@misha5670 It's not a big deal, no one even cares. Not that there's anything wrong with it to begin with. 🤷♂️
@@raymondshaw7908 lol
@@misha5670 😂 You the man Misha!
Hi Misha- I bought the Lynx and tricked it out. I’m running a pbs 1 silencer, eotech on top and sb 3 tactical brace. It is my go to and I’m very happy with it especially since I’m Polish. I would love to improve my collection but prices are absurd for these guns - especially now that we are living in Joe Bidens America
My serial is one away from 74-47
Nice video Misha...I have a question...I have a 1970 Factory 11 build AKM, the bolt carrier is blued, is this correct or should it be in the white??? Thanks...
Definitely shouldn't be blued. Either in the white or painted.
That polish underfolder😍
I’ve been shooting a WBP LYNX tac pretty heavily since December 2018. Many many thousands of rounds. Only some minor complaints. Its worn a Deadair PBS1 for the past year, but I’m afraid it’s beating the gun to death. Trigger pin continues to walk loose, even with a krebs retainer plate (I might be doing something wrong but idk what.) the piston head has been deforming, I believe due to the poorly designed pic rail gas tube interface. Having said all of this, I’d love to buy a fox and continue to support WBP/AOA. Thanks Misha!
Oh also the bolt carrier has always gotten hung on the right rail and does not come out of the gun easily. That’s the end of complaints
Oof...
You need a KNS Gas piston, you should have looked into this before put the suppressor on it.
@@thomashardy1851 Explain away how the Russian military run AKs suppressed, *without* an adjustable gas system and their AKs aren't experiencing the described problems...
@@Enjoyer.762 lol yeah no I have seen people say that running their krinkov suppressed beat it to death.
I was thinking about getting the mini jack they have on Atlantic firearms I was curious if it’s a proven firearm like the dracos and Arsenal pistols
Wbp rifles seem pretty solid. Off topic but do you happen to have a 545 galil?
Nope, never really much interested me since its not a military caliber for that platform.
@@misha5670 fair enough. The whole 545 thing does have me second guessing a possible purchase in the future. X39 dosent worry me but 545 does a just a bit . Thanks again
Is there any difference between the Polish and Russian style slings besides color? Wasn’t the most common polish color green?
Generally speaking? the same pattern yes.
@@misha5670 thank you!
I bought a ZPAP and now I want a WBP lol. You mentioned the ZPAP is heavier, why is that? I have the earlier version without the bulged trunnion and thicker receiver. I shot a friend's WASR back in the day and I still remember it being lighter than even the original ZPAP.
The early ZPAP without the thicker receiver and bulged trunnion is still heavier than a standard AKM because of the extended handguard and heavier profile barrel. Also the front sight is thicker.
I love that rifle. They are never in stock though.
Ya, you can sign up for stock notifications at Arms of America or Atlantic, cause you aren't likely to get one unless you sign up and buy as soon as they hit. Good luck!
I have the wbp 556. Great rifle. Wanting to onvert it into a slr106fr...
@Brian Hess i have a modest collection of aks. My favorite are 223/556 variants....the slr106 & ak100 series are my favorites. Seeing how slr106s are insane prices.....I'll buy wbps and convert them over...
What's the difference between the fox and jack?
How is the wood on the gun--------------some replaced wood is cheap and can catch fire
Are the hand gaurds for this guy standard ak ?
Misha, what are my options for a really solid high quality 5.45? Am I basically screwed on getting one? Lol
Not screwed but you would be paying through the nose no matter what. That said, a lot of people are dumping their 5.45 guns right now, so its a 'better' time to get one than a few months ago.
@@misha5670 thanks for the reply Misha! I appreciate it!
In order of preference for a 5.45 I would look for: 1.) SGL-31 2.) A competently converted Saiga. 3.) Arsenal SLR 104 or 105. 4.) A Bulgarian AK74 kit build done by a reputable builder on a good receiver like a Childers or Recreator.
Love that cat shirt :)
I've been waiting on these rifles in august but none came up like wtf!!!
Dude is here to chew bubblegum and talk AKs. And he's all out of bubblegum. 🕶
Will it take akm parts? Planing on getting one of these and cannibalize my psa gf3 for parts.
👍👍👍
You think the new FEG will ever import a semi auto AK63F?
Nope
I got one too
Where are my based foxbros at?
Had several issues with my 2020 model Fox including sights canted so bad it couldn’t be zerod, a barrel that was so off it couldn’t be zeroed with any muzzle device (spent all day chasing zero if a brake was on due to badly non concentric barrel), and the chrome on the piston pitting after a couple mags *not from corrosive ammo*. And the damn stock screw kept backing out with every mag tried glue loctite everything. Atlantic is replacing the rifle for me for free even out of warranty. Hopefully better luck with the second rifle
One absolute for any firearm, anytime, anywhere; there are always lemons.
I picked up a new Fox from Atlantic a couple months ago. Had to settle for the red furniture, was available in Polish Classic.
Can you let me know where I can pick up Polish laminate furniture like you have on your early Fox? Thanks!!
Mine came from Atlantic..the furniture that is.
@@misha5670 Thank you! I appreciate the reply 👍
I sense a fancy new camera in use
👍🇺🇸👍
I need 2000 of those to buy ok
1500 is fair. POLISH and quality.
Vary nice butifull video
So what one better the fox or zaztava m70?
I give the edge to the Fox, I do own both.
If nothing else the Fox will increase in value more than the Yugo due to lower supply, but there are other advantages as well.
I have a WASAR 10 V2 ZASTAVA ZPAP M70 PALMETTO GF5 just got my WBP 🦊 about 6 months ago put about 800 rounds thru it my favorite in my AK collection not gonna lie my palmetto GF5 was my favorite crazy PALMETTO American made people talk a lot of shit about them I’m a shooter put about 2500 rounds thru it flawlessly smooth luv it zastava in the heavy side great gun wasar awesome just shoots n shoots forever😂💸💸💸🤙🏽
@@chinov9445 yes gf5 are very good I have one and I have the ak E. And Arsenal and zaztava love them
Great, now WBP needs to resurrect the type 3 AK47
Can anyone please tell me where I can find one of those black slings
Mine came from RobertRTG
@@misha5670 thank you so much I love your work never miss a video
Oh cool Lego planes in the back ground
those are models I'm pretty sure, mostly diecast
@@echodelta2172 Yep, 95% diecast. I only settle for plastic when a metal version isn't available. Jroe thought people would like to see them *shrug* who am I to argue?
Based on Atlantic's website, and my own firearm, I don't believe the Zpap carrier is in the white. It is nickel coated by description, and sure seems that way in person.
Just a minor nitpick. Excellent video as always.
Nope, not nickle coated; this directly from the manufacturer.
@@misha5670 AoA and Atlantic says it's zinc coated, does that give it it's color or is that a clear coating?
@@misha5670 Upon reading again the description states that the carrier is nickel moly, not nickel coated. My mistake.
1300-1500 seems a bit to steep. 1100 made more sense.
Hopefully the Rona panic is ending and thus prices can settle back down somewhat.
Picture off the camera is LUSH.
What's the name of your cat?
He's for sale if you want him?
Why not ;)
Damn this makes want to sell my WASER!
I painted my wasr with vht GM satin engine enamel and added a Polish wood stock set. You wouldn't be able to tell them apart from a fox. Your wasr is a good rifle.
@@bigchomnk2934 thanks might have to do that with my furniture then 😀
Just bought the fox and the finish is garbage compared to my WBP LYNX
Its not hard to put łucznik in google translate, set to polish and click on a sound sample. You'll know how to pronounce it then.
Make you a deal, you learn braille and I'll do what you ask of me.
@@misha5670 Apparently video editing software, filming, navigating youtube and acquiring lots of gun trivia are all easier to do than a 10 sec google search...believable. Do as you wish, your luksnick won't sound less wrong though. Do you snap like that at any even most minute criticism ? K good to know.
Zastava ak
Nop! Don`t worth over ap1000 $! This is a cheap gun, at a huge price!
How is it cheap? Is it Arsenal or KC level, maybe not, but SAMs and VEPRs are $1800-$2600 guns at this point so this is 1/2 the price of a VEPR. Hell it’s $500-1000 cheaper than SLRs depending on model. This is far superior to any WASR on the market and easily a cut above Zastava… and neither of those rifles are going for a dime less than $1k at this point.
So again, what makes it “cheap” and it’s price so “huge”?