- start a team in Tonawanda, NY - lose 45 to nothing in your first game - refuse to elaborate further - leaves They just wanted to be in the history books and they sure did make it even if it was for an embarrassing feat, so I can't blame them for calling it quits.
As I recall the history, they were not going to play a game at all, except they had to honor the contract with the Rochester team. So they hastily put a team together and got blown out.
@coldsnap5742 yep. Then when the Colonels owner was going to sue, the NBA let him buy the Buffalo Braves. Louisville got shafted. Would probably be a better market than half the cities in presently
I’ve studied NFL history extensively. I love what you did here. I’ve come to the conclusion that anything before 1933, the NFL was so Bush you can’t consider it the same. The reason why 1933 is the year I consider it real … they had actual playoffs and organized schedule with a specific number of games required to play. Those two simple things were lost prior to 1933. As a matter of fact I’m 1920 anyone you played counted as your record. So you could play against your local car wash and fatten your record. I hate to blow off history but 1920-1932 was a total sh*t show and this video only proves that.
The NFL was basically nothing but a bunch of barnstroming and club teams until the late 20's/early 30's. This is why they really didn't have a legit title game until 1933. This is the reason for so many one off teams. Even the Cardinals, who are still the oldest continuing franchise in the NFL used to be called a club(Morgan Athletic Club for instance).
It’s crazy how so many NFL teams have gone through Ohio that one of them played in a village that doesn’t even have 500 people currently living there. Also love how the Portsmouth Spartans (now the Detroit Lions) original stadium is still standing nearly exactly how it was back in the 1920’s
Fun fact: the Racine Legion's field still exists as Horlick Athletic Field. It was the home of the Racine Belles of the AAGPBL, and is currently home of the Racine Raiders of the GDFL.
Ah the Muncie Flyers. I was hoping Five would mention this "legendary" franchise. Played only 3 NFL Games and scored an outstanding 0 pts (0-73) one loss being the fore mentioned Cincinnati Celts
@@1VERSEWITNESS , thankfully, the power of YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and His Holy Word can break curses. If I could afford the franchise, or, better yet, that Washington one, I would do things that would blow the minds of the people of the NFL.
couple more fun facts about the Steamrollers: - founded by two part-time writers of the newpaper Providence Journal - they played their home games in a bike racing stadium called the Cycledrome - pre-NFL they would often field some college players who would play under aliases to keep their amateur status - during their championship run they would often dominate opponents, with 5 of their 8 wins being total shutouts (including one against the New York Giants lol) - their head coach at that time was HOFer Jim Conzelman, who would also suit up to play halfback and quarterback at the same time
@@whosaidthat84 Had the Raiders moved alongside with the Rams, the Raiders would have been the #1 selling team in SoFi... Kroenke & his Rams weren't gonna allow that to happen so he opted for the lesser Chargers franchise to be their roommates. So, no. Neither Rams nor Chargers are capable of selling out independently without their respective division rivals
@@MarloSoBalJr he didn't "block" the Raiders the way you described. Spanos got dibs first with the Chargers. And you really think that only home fans sell out? Cowboys always get invaded as do other markets like Jacksonville. Only places like Kansas City, Green Bay, or Buffalo have a 95% home fanbase.
Football wasn't as lucrative until the 60s. You could still form a team for seven figures 'til the merger. Just that keeping a franchise running for 12(?) weeks at that time was the challenge
I feel like the Decatur Staleys moving to Chicago (eventually becoming the Bears) probably was more of the reason the Chicago Tigers folded. While MLB could support 3 teams in New York back then, and Chicago has done well with 2 MLB teams, I doubt the city could have supported 3 NFL teams at the time, when most couldn't support one team.
Fun crazy little fact, my great grandpa actually played on the Hammond Pros when George Hallas was there. They were supposed good friends, so when time came around George Hallas offered my great grandpa to play on the Bears, he declined to follow his dreams and become a police chief which did happen and started working with Al Capone.
Fun Fact my high school (Orange High School) adopted the the Name Tornadoes a couple years after the Tornadoes moved and folded and we've been carrying the name ever since!
NFL: “Hey Brooklyn, want to come back?” Brooklyn: “Forgeddabout it! Actually, there’s a guy named Mara who might be interested.” Nearly a century later and they’re still in the family.
One of the reasons teams came and went was because there was actually a lot of antipathy towards not necessarily the APFA/NFL, but the concept of professional football itself - how dare they sully the innocence of collegiate football, the purity of playing for the pride of your your alma mater, by wanting to be paid to play for some other team and play against other teams of professionals? The horror of it all! I remember reading somewhere - and I wish I could find it online somewhere - that one of the leading sportswriters of the day wrote a screed against the professional leagues of the day that basically equated owners and players with pimps and prostitutes. If only they could see the behemoth the NFL has become since those very shaky beginnings.
I find it rather funny that pro leagues were compared to "pimps and prostitutes" back then when you look at colleges today. Colleges today as well as back then make all the money and pay the players nothing more than tuition, essentially making them the pimps.
The packers are a team that was founded in 1919 and played a couple of seasons before folding in 1921. They were were a short lived team like many others. 50 years later a new franchise team was founded in Milwaukee but had troubles competing with the market in Chicago. After all I don’t know any NFL team that would play in a town of 100,000
As a Georgia Bulldogs fan, I'm glad nothing did happen to them. UGA wouldn't look the same without that iconic G the Packers came up with. As well as my highschool.
That's actually kind of sad that there are teams that were extremely successful all to be defunct just a few years later. You wouldn't expect that to happen ever if a team was that good
There’s also the Pine Village Villagers- Indiana’s first pro team. 1915-mid 1920s). Jim Thorpe and 16 other future football hall of fame members were on it
Only thing I remember about the Dallas Texans is Art Donovan mentioned in an interview that they were told to quickly cash in their checks because they didn't know if they would bounce or not
They’re the continuation of the Dayton Triangles. The players then moved to Baltimore the next year and became the Colts. The NFL never should have folded them. They’re a founding franchise.
@@TigerWoodsLibido Officially, they folded. Unofficially, the remnants of the team were used to start up the current Colts franchise. Really, if you look into the history of the NFL, you'll notice a couple of team "bloodlines" converging in the mid-'40s, and a series of teams folding only for their remnants to be reborn as a "new" franchise, the way the Browns of the early '90s became the "new" franchise of the Baltimore Ravens. The following teams are part of that bloodline: *Old Line:* Dayton Triangles (1920-1929) _(team originally founded in 1913 as part of the Ohio League)_ Brooklyn Dodgers (1930-1943); Brooklyn Tigers (1944) *New Line:* Boston Yanks (1944) For the 1945 season, the Brooklyn Tigers and the Boston Yanks temporarily merged due to a shortage of players (due to WWII), naming themselves "The Yanks" for this season. This was a common practice during WWII; 1943 had combined the Philadelphia Eagles and Pittsburgh Steelers for a season (often called the "Steagles"), and 1944 had combined the Steelers with the Chicago Cardinals (as "Card-Pitt"). After the season, the owner of the Brooklyn Tigers wished to have his team move to the rival All-American Football Conference (AAFC); as a result, the Tigers franchise was revoked by the NFL and the players were all assigned to the Boston Yanks, making the former merger permanent. As such, the line continues as follows: *Combined Line:* The Yanks (1945), Boston Yanks (1946-1948) New York Bulldogs (1949), New York Yanks (1950-1951) Dallas Texans (1952) Baltimore Colts (1953-1983), Indianapolis Colts (1984-present)
And the Triangles won the first ever NFL game. And they won the Greatest Game Ever Played in 1958. And had the first black head coach to win a Super Bowl. The Colts history can be traced back to 1913.
They also played the first TV baseball game the same year. Oddly, the oldest complete game color broadcast of a baseball game is from October 1, 1967. Nobody saved anything.
The League started as the American Professional Football Association(APFA). The name was changed to the NFL in 1922. So this year is actually the 100th year of the NFL name
the pottsville maroons definitely werent a success, but something else from pottsville is actually pretty decent, yuengling beer! especially their traditional lager.
I’ve been having it since I moved to Florida. They have a 2nd brewery in Tampa. My grandpa was from Pennsylvania and always talked about the beer but I couldn’t have it in California
Much more to the Duluth Eskimos story. In 1927 it was a traveling team with Star running back and future HoF member Ernie Nevers. Owner Ole Haugsrud would later be a minority owner in the Minnesota Vikings. Interesting enough that Ole's high school team in Superior Wisconsin was also called the Vikings and colors were purple and white. A similar Viking head logo was also used. If not for the Eskimos and their travel schedule, the upstart competing league lead by Red Grange might have done better.
Wait, so Jim Thorpe, who was Native American started a football team with other Native Americans, and they called them selves, the Indians, and, they weren’t offended by the name of their team?
Using your own image to make money is a different thing than some rich white guys stealing your image and giving you nothing in return, I'm glad you noticed!
I'm not surprised the Washington Senators failed. Washington admitted that having senators in their city was enough, and don't want to be reminded of that fact in sports. The reason the Ottawa Senators are still an NHL team in Ottawa? It's Canada.
The Pottsville Maroons losing out on the NFL championship was not due simply to them playing Notre Dame, which would have been acceptable in and of itself. But because they knew it would be a big draw, the Maroons scheduled the game to take place in Philadelphia, which was within the territory of another NFL team, the Frankford Yellow Jackets. Controversy exists- the NFL commissioner warned Pottsville that if they played the game, they’d be booted out of the league, while Pottsville management stated the NFL gave them verbal permission.
The NFL should play special games in in some of these cities and stadiums if they still exist. The fans would love it. Call it a Heritage game or something. I know the stadium that hosted the Portsmouth Spartans still exists.
Lesson learnt from this excellent presentation is don't call your NFL team the maroons lol thank you really enjoyed this was fast snappy and so much fun information. Btw I'm from the UK so most of this was new and eye opening .
I want a deep dive into the Tonawanda Kardex. Like a seriously, ridiculously deep dive. I'm talking character studies on key players, a "based on a true story" novel about their struggle to raise that $1,000 fee, players trying to pay for their blind niece's eye surgery, all of that shit. Like I want my heart to freaking BREAK when we get to the point where they finally tear up their charter. Make it happen bro, the world needs this.
The current Colts are actually descended from 3 teams in two leagues. The Dayton Triangles became the Brooklyn Dodgers/Tigers, which was merged with the Boston Yanks, which became the New York Yanks (but was counted as an expansion franchise because the owner was heavily in debt and by having his team “folded” and then re-entering the NFL as an expansion franchise he got a huge tax break, allowing him to get out of debt, even though all the team’s assets and personnel was still retained). The Yanks were then merged with the remnants of the New York Yankees of the AAFC in 1950 (the Giants got some players first and the rest remained with the merged team). The team moved to Dallas to become the Texans but was, sold the franchise back to the NFL, became the Colts as their assets went with the team to Baltimore but was counted as an expansion franchise to try and give the team a clean slate (something about Baltimore makes the NFL count existing franchises as new when they move to Baltimore, looking at you Browns/Ravens) and the rest, as they say, is history.
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats in the CFL are a child of this as well. Hamilton used to have teams called the Tigers and Wildcats. They merged and became the Tiger-Cats.
Interesting video five. Another tid bit about Jim Thorpe is the Giants were not the first pro team he played for. Thorpe played for the Pine Village Pros located in Pine Village, Indiana in 1913 before joining the Giants later that year
Despite their logo choice, I think the Providence Steamroller(s --the NFL lists them without the S) is the coolest name... A whole team as a unit representing a singular mighty force. That's kinda badass.
I prefer “Providence Steamroller”, it really captures the image of that singular mighty force that you mentioned. That would be an amazing name, shame no one else picked it up,
Sorry Five but I was disappointed to hear you say you couldn't find anything noteworthy about the Duluth Eskimos. In 1926, they basically saved the NFL by signing star running back Ernie Nevers, who was all set to sign with the rival AFL that was started by Red Grange. However, the Duluth owner (Ole Haugsrud) went to high school with Nevers and that was the deciding factor in him signing with Duluth. With Grange and Nevers (the two biggest stars in football at the time) playing in the AFL, its possible the NFL doesnt make it (or would have been forced into some type of merger). With Nevers, Duluth only played only one game at home before going on a long cross-country barnstorming tour that included a number of league plus many exhibitions against local amateur teams. After the 1927 season, Nevers left to go play baseball (and would wind up back in the league with the Cardinals a few years later). Meanwhile, the team folded as Haugsrud sold the team back to the league. At that point, he was issued a promise by the league that the next time the NFL came to Minnesota, he would have a chance to buy into that team. He waited for over 30 years, but the league honored that promise and let him buy 10% of the Minnesota Vikings when they were an expansion team in 1961. There is also an urban legend surrounding the fate of the Eskimos and it having a link to the modern day NFL. Haugsrud would go on to claim that his defunct team was the same that one that became the Orange/Newark Tornadoes in 1929/30 before going defunct again. The next team to join the league was the Boston Braves, who would move to Washington to become the Redskins (now Commanders). Some have claimed that the Boston franchise was awarded the assets of the old Orange/Newark club (and is thus a continuation of the old Duluth club as well). However, as I said this seems to be urban legend as the league does not recognize that continuity.
APFA not APFL. They originally were the APFC(American Professional Football Conference) but after a meeting with other teams from the New York Pro Football League and gained more teams, they changed the name to APFA(American Professional Football Association) which they had for the first 2 seasons from 1920 to 1921
Now you should make videos of defunct teams for Major League Baseball, the NBA, and the NHL. In the MLB, you have the Federal League, the American Association, and a bunch of defunct NL Clubs. In the NBA, you have a bunch of defunct teams from the league's first decade in existence. In the NHL, you've got a bunch of pre-Original Six teams, as well as the California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons
You should do a video on "Stupid Team Names" as in the CFL they had 2 teams named "The Roughriders" when one folded they came back as "The Redblacks" Ottawa picks the absolute dumbest names for teams.
Not exactly. There was a team named the Renegades before the RedBlacks, that lasted for a few years. And if you want to be very precise the Roughriders are based in Regina, Saskatchewan while the Rough Riders were Ottawa's team from 1876 until 1996
@@griselame I never said that this was a definitive list. I said it a list of stupid names and having a small league like the CFL and two teams with the same name not talking about semantics. Also, I didn't do a full rundown of Ottawa teams, the rough riders folded and a while later the red blacks come in The red blacks and two roughrider teams are stupid
@@griselame And the Renegades NEVER had a winning season and the CFL equivalent of Dan Snyder (the Glieberman's) ruined both the Rough Riders (almost moved to Shreveport) and the Renegades. The original Ottawa Rough Riders name is still held by a Chicago restauranteur hence the stupid names appearing in Ottawa.
The Pottsville Maroons didn't lose to the Notre Dame team, they beat them 9-7. The Notre Dame team was also a team of All-Stars so ex-college players. It was pretty common for the early NFL Champions or 2nd place to play the Notre Dame All-Stars after the season. The win actually helped the NFL be seen as more legit as many fans thought the college teams especially Notre Dame were the best. (Another game that helped was in 1930 where the Giants won 22-0 in Knute Rockne's final game which he played to generate money for The Great Depression.) The issue with the Pottsville Maroons was they played the game in Philadelphia to draw a larger crowd which violated the Frankford Yellow Jackets land rights. Pottsville is kind of in the middle of nowhere and had a small field to match their small town's population. Attempts were made in the past to re-award the Maroons back their championship but have only really been supported by a former Governor of Pennsylvania as well as the Steelers and Eagles.
At 22:01 ..I have not only researched, but documented the transference of Dayton to Indianapolis...I have even been to the site of the first NFL game...and it intrigued me...after two years of study, I found a direct link from Dayton to the modern Colts...and because I'm a machine embroiderer, I found old logos for each team in the chain, and created a patch for every team change...I have just finished the last patch, and displayed all nine teams in a frame...I will put it on Etsy soon...If you are interested, look for it...
Okay can someone explain this to me bc I’m intrigued…. Fun fact in the NHL the Oakland seals moved to Cleveland and did so bad there they merged with the north stars in Minnesota. When the San Jose Sharks came into the league, Gund, the old owner of the Seals and minority owner of the north stars became The owner of the sharks. He gave Minnesota a couple late draft picks to signify the change. So technically the Sharks are a continuation of the Oakland Seals / Cleveland Barons franchise…. Okay I explained that complicated thing in short time … is it something like that? I’m very interested….
@ 23:48 is actor Paul Douglas who starred in many popular films of the 50s, including the original "Angels in the Outfield" and "It Happens Every Spring"
It is incredible on how few people in Dayton realize that we helped started the modern NFL. Dayton has really done a lot when it comes to inventions and bringing things to the world. It might be a crap hole, but its my crap hole damnit.
The Pottsville Maroons beat the 4 horsemen of Notre Dame. You said they lost to them, either way they were stripped of their Championship by playing them and it was awarded to the Chicago Cardinals who are the present day Arizona Cardinals. They say this is the reason why the Cardinals franchise remains cursed and unable to win a Superbowl.
Fun fact; that stripping of the 1925 NFL title is what many suspect is a curse on the Cardinals franchise, for them to never win (in this case) a Super Bowl. When the league in 1963 opened (what eventually became) the final chance to rectify Pottsville’s title, the early-Rozelle regime alongside the Bidwell family crushed those hopes. And thus with an embrace of the stealing of 1925, the Cardinals franchise to this day is cursed to never win again until the Pottsville title is legally acknowledged. Another tibid; the Cardinals loss in Super Bowl XLIII was to the Steelers and the Rooney family…who some of them grew up in Pottsville.
The Cardinals have two NFL championships if you count the DQ controversy; they also won the Championship Game in 1947. After that, of course, they went over fifty years without winning another playoff game.
Pottsville Maroons - there are people in that city of 13,000 that still carry a torch for their dearly-departed team's lost NFL championship. Repeated attempts to recoup the title have been rebuffed by modern-day NFL officials.
Being from Dayton, my hometown has the honour of hosting the first ever NFL game back in 1920. The Triangles still technically exist today as the Indianapolis Colts. However, the Colts do not recognise the Triangles history, nor do they recognise the Brooklyn Football Dodgers, Brooklyn Tigers, Boston Yanks, New York Bulldogs, New York Yanks, or even the original Dallas Texans as part of their history. They claim 1953 as their founding year and they have the most complex history of any football team in the NFL. I also have relatives in the state of Indiana speaking of the Colts
That first Dallas Cowboys was not the first football team in Dallas. The Indianapolis Colts were. When in Dallas they lost every game, went belly up and the NFL moved them to Baltimore.
Bingo. Dayton-NYC-Boston-NYC-DFW-Baltimore-Indy. Insane history. Their horseshoe even has a triangular shape and they still have the same blue and white colors.
Or how the Baltimore Stallions still exist, after the failed CFL expansion into the US, the Grey Cup winning Baltimore Stallions moved to Montreal and became the Alouettes.
Basically all the CFL USA teams, Montreal Concordes, original Montreal Alouttes, Ottawa Rough Riders, Ottawa RedBlacks, some service teams, and some teams that existed before the consolidation of the western and eastern leagues into the CFL.
buying a team and then shutting them down just because you want a QB for your team is a power move
the ultimate power move
Pro gamer move
Solid Elon Musk move. Burn it down.
That's some Judge Doom shit.
Try doing it in 2022
It’s crazy how the Commies have a W for their logo, because their whole franchise is an L
I hope they rebrand when they get rid of Synder if they don’t relocate
Ba Dum Tss 🥁
The whole franchise is elite until dan snyder took over..that 90s team that one the superbowl is one of the best teams ever..
Communists? Great
I would've favored the Wildcats, seeing that no major sports franchise has ever used that name.
- start a team in Tonawanda, NY
- lose 45 to nothing in your first game
- refuse to elaborate further
- leaves
They just wanted to be in the history books and they sure did make it even if it was for an embarrassing feat, so I can't blame them for calling it quits.
It’s honestly a great way random Joes can be icons
I mean, Tonawanda is basically buffalo. You can literally cross the street and you'll be in buffalo.
Kardex was the name of the office-supply company that sponsored them. That's like being the Evanston Post-Its or the San Bernardino Bics.
As I recall the history, they were not going to play a game at all, except they had to honor the contract with the Rochester team. So they hastily put a team together and got blown out.
Then Ralph Wilson hired the entire coaching staff for the Bills in the AFL.
"No major sports leagues have returned to Kentucky since..."
The Kentucky Colonels would like a word. #RememberTheABA
We need an ABA and WHA video
The ABA was my favorite league by far. The NBA wasn't what it is today and they changed because of their rivals!
No, but a professional franchise has. UK Basketball paid more in salaries than some NBA teams.
@coldsnap5742 The Chicago Bulls wanted one of the Colonels star players so they colluded to keep the Colonels out of the merger.
@coldsnap5742 yep. Then when the Colonels owner was going to sue, the NBA let him buy the Buffalo Braves. Louisville got shafted. Would probably be a better market than half the cities in presently
I’ve studied NFL history extensively. I love what you did here. I’ve come to the conclusion that anything before 1933, the NFL was so Bush you can’t consider it the same.
The reason why 1933 is the year I consider it real … they had actual playoffs and organized schedule with a specific number of games required to play. Those two simple things were lost prior to 1933.
As a matter of fact I’m 1920 anyone you played counted as your record. So you could play against your local car wash and fatten your record.
I hate to blow off history but 1920-1932 was a total sh*t show and this video only proves that.
Agreed. Even the early MLB (AL/NL) and NHL were *incredibly* well-organized and recorded. Pre-Championship Game-era NFL is just a shitshow.
The NFL was basically nothing but a bunch of barnstroming and club teams until the late 20's/early 30's. This is why they really didn't have a legit title game until 1933. This is the reason for so many one off teams. Even the Cardinals, who are still the oldest continuing franchise in the NFL used to be called a club(Morgan Athletic Club for instance).
It’s crazy how so many NFL teams have gone through Ohio that one of them played in a village that doesn’t even have 500 people currently living there. Also love how the Portsmouth Spartans (now the Detroit Lions) original stadium is still standing nearly exactly how it was back in the 1920’s
They use it for high school sports!! Grew up just north of Portsmouth and we played them a few times. It's so cool
And, somehow, Ohio still doesn't have a Superbowl to it's name
@@jollygrapefruit786 they were 🤏 this close
@@simon2722 several times.
@@phoenixantis6994 that's kinda cool. Hopefully they never demolish it, because it's a piece of local history.
Fun fact: the Racine Legion's field still exists as Horlick Athletic Field. It was the home of the Racine Belles of the AAGPBL, and is currently home of the Racine Raiders of the GDFL.
Glad to see the name still used
. . . the Goddamn Football League?
@@qfmarsh64 that's a great name
Ah the Muncie Flyers. I was hoping Five would mention this "legendary" franchise. Played only 3 NFL Games and scored an outstanding 0 pts (0-73) one loss being the fore mentioned Cincinnati Celts
The Cardinals actually have two championships: the controversial 1925 championship and another in 1947. Both came in Chicago.
The Arizona/Phoenix/St.Louis/Chicago Cardinals also won the NFL championship in 1947. Still pathetic I know, but true.
Worse than the Oakland/Los Angeles/Oakland/Las Vegas Raiders
Or the Cleveland/Los Angeles/St. Louis/Los Angeles Rams
Or the Los Angeles/San Diego/Los Angeles/London Chargers.
@@cjvaye99 the Los Angeles/California/Anaheim/Los Angeles of Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels
I think the Portsmouth Spartans / Detroit Lions is more pathetic
Modern players when they have contract disputes: *Holds out*
Players back then with contract disputes: “Fuck you, I’ll start my own football team”
I feel like that’s something Antonio brown would do
So Detroit's been taking Ls from their inception, and New York used to have a team that sounded like a forbidden Harry Potter spell. History is fun
Michigan Panthers won 1983 USFL championship.
The damn curse of Bobby Layne seems like he might have been a prophet.
@@commodorezero still an L
@@1VERSEWITNESS , thankfully, the power of YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and His Holy Word can break curses. If I could afford the franchise, or, better yet, that Washington one, I would do things that would blow the minds of the people of the NFL.
I agree.. History is fun..
couple more fun facts about the Steamrollers:
- founded by two part-time writers of the newpaper Providence Journal
- they played their home games in a bike racing stadium called the Cycledrome
- pre-NFL they would often field some college players who would play under aliases to keep their amateur status
- during their championship run they would often dominate opponents, with 5 of their 8 wins being total shutouts (including one against the New York Giants lol)
- their head coach at that time was HOFer Jim Conzelman, who would also suit up to play halfback and quarterback at the same time
Fun Fact about Pottsville, that is where the oldest Brewery in the US is, for Yuengling
Finally time to talk about the LA Buccaneers, the first LA team that couldn’t attract fans.
Alongside the current Rams and Chargers.
@@Nutelko8 well they're both top 10 in attendance
@@whosaidthat84 Due to opposing fanbases
@@whosaidthat84 Had the Raiders moved alongside with the Rams, the Raiders would have been the #1 selling team in SoFi... Kroenke & his Rams weren't gonna allow that to happen so he opted for the lesser Chargers franchise to be their roommates.
So, no. Neither Rams nor Chargers are capable of selling out independently without their respective division rivals
@@MarloSoBalJr he didn't "block" the Raiders the way you described. Spanos got dibs first with the Chargers. And you really think that only home fans sell out? Cowboys always get invaded as do other markets like Jacksonville. Only places like Kansas City, Green Bay, or Buffalo have a 95% home fanbase.
"Seen less than Ben Simmons jump shot" 🤣🤣🤣
I had no idea we had an NFL team here in Louisville.
In a parallel universe the Rochester Jeffersons became the Buffalo Bills and soon became 4 time Superbowl champions.
It’s really interesting that small towns were able to form a football team so easily.
I noticed that too, also the consistency of Detroit football teams being horrible
Entrance fees I guess.
The 1920 entry fee was: $100
Football wasn't as lucrative until the 60s. You could still form a team for seven figures 'til the merger.
Just that keeping a franchise running for 12(?) weeks at that time was the challenge
very different league
It's funny how a lot of these failed franchises consist of bad team names or just poor rip-offs of other sports franchise names
A lot of them just stole the local colleges nicknames.
Or pro baseball's. But that at least made some sense because they were usually sharing the same stadium.
I feel like the Decatur Staleys moving to Chicago (eventually becoming the Bears) probably was more of the reason the Chicago Tigers folded. While MLB could support 3 teams in New York back then, and Chicago has done well with 2 MLB teams, I doubt the city could have supported 3 NFL teams at the time, when most couldn't support one team.
That could be the case. The Decatur Staleys / Chicago Bears and the Cardinals were probably better financed than the Tigers.
Fun crazy little fact, my great grandpa actually played on the Hammond Pros when George Hallas was there. They were supposed good friends, so when time came around George Hallas offered my great grandpa to play on the Bears, he declined to follow his dreams and become a police chief which did happen and started working with Al Capone.
What was your great grandpas name? Whatd he play? Just curious as I think this is pretty cool
Al Capone! A truly great American!
Halas. Not Hallas.
holy crap the Boston Yanks actually played at Fenway, i thought for sure the Red Sox would have kicked the out purely on principle.
They’re the continuation of the Dayton Triangles-Brooklyn Dodgers franchise that’s now in Indianapolis as the Colts.
You know people from New England area of America were orginaly called Yankees or Yanks. Boston is in New England.
I thoroughly enjoyed this journey through football history! Thank you Mr. Fivepoints!
I misread the title as "Every Failure of an NFL Franchise" and thought we were getting a video about how inept Washington is.
Washington's ineptness doesn't come close to Detroit or Arizona in total
Jack Sack what a legend lmao
We need to get a petition going for The Pro Football Hall Of Fame to build a statue of the great Jack Sack!
Fun Fact my high school (Orange High School) adopted the the Name Tornadoes a couple years after the Tornadoes moved and folded and we've been carrying the name ever since!
This was really entertaining. Football was so different back then
NFL: “Hey Brooklyn, want to come back?”
Brooklyn: “Forgeddabout it! Actually, there’s a guy named Mara who might be interested.”
Nearly a century later and they’re still in the family.
One of the reasons teams came and went was because there was actually a lot of antipathy towards not necessarily the APFA/NFL, but the concept of professional football itself - how dare they sully the innocence of collegiate football, the purity of playing for the pride of your your alma mater, by wanting to be paid to play for some other team and play against other teams of professionals? The horror of it all! I remember reading somewhere - and I wish I could find it online somewhere - that one of the leading sportswriters of the day wrote a screed against the professional leagues of the day that basically equated owners and players with pimps and prostitutes. If only they could see the behemoth the NFL has become since those very shaky beginnings.
I find it rather funny that pro leagues were compared to "pimps and prostitutes" back then when you look at colleges today. Colleges today as well as back then make all the money and pay the players nothing more than tuition, essentially making them the pimps.
As a packers fan this video makes me think about what could have happened to my team.
The packers are a team that was founded in 1919 and played a couple of seasons before folding in 1921. They were were a short lived team like many others. 50 years later a new franchise team was founded in Milwaukee but had troubles competing with the market in Chicago. After all I don’t know any NFL team that would play in a town of 100,000
Milwaukee Badgers 4 life!
As a Georgia Bulldogs fan, I'm glad nothing did happen to them.
UGA wouldn't look the same without that iconic G the Packers came up with.
As well as my highschool.
Packers suck.
In the 1950s, the league told the Packers, you better get a new stadium or we'll revoke the franchise and give a new one to Milwaukee.
That's actually kind of sad that there are teams that were extremely successful all to be defunct just a few years later. You wouldn't expect that to happen ever if a team was that good
There’s also the Pine Village Villagers- Indiana’s first pro team. 1915-mid 1920s). Jim Thorpe and 16 other future football hall of fame members were on it
Only thing I remember about the Dallas Texans is Art Donovan mentioned in an interview that they were told to quickly cash in their checks because they didn't know if they would bounce or not
They’re the continuation of the Dayton Triangles. The players then moved to Baltimore the next year and became the Colts. The NFL never should have folded them. They’re a founding franchise.
Art Donovan?
How much does this guy weigh?
@@ChristianGiaconiBonaguro "how much does dis guy weigh?? He looks like a business man!"
@@TigerWoodsLibido "The players then moved to Baltimore and became the..." Hmmm, that sounds familiar.
@@TigerWoodsLibido Officially, they folded. Unofficially, the remnants of the team were used to start up the current Colts franchise.
Really, if you look into the history of the NFL, you'll notice a couple of team "bloodlines" converging in the mid-'40s, and a series of teams folding only for their remnants to be reborn as a "new" franchise, the way the Browns of the early '90s became the "new" franchise of the Baltimore Ravens. The following teams are part of that bloodline:
*Old Line:*
Dayton Triangles (1920-1929) _(team originally founded in 1913 as part of the Ohio League)_
Brooklyn Dodgers (1930-1943); Brooklyn Tigers (1944)
*New Line:*
Boston Yanks (1944)
For the 1945 season, the Brooklyn Tigers and the Boston Yanks temporarily merged due to a shortage of players (due to WWII), naming themselves "The Yanks" for this season. This was a common practice during WWII; 1943 had combined the Philadelphia Eagles and Pittsburgh Steelers for a season (often called the "Steagles"), and 1944 had combined the Steelers with the Chicago Cardinals (as "Card-Pitt"). After the season, the owner of the Brooklyn Tigers wished to have his team move to the rival All-American Football Conference (AAFC); as a result, the Tigers franchise was revoked by the NFL and the players were all assigned to the Boston Yanks, making the former merger permanent. As such, the line continues as follows:
*Combined Line:*
The Yanks (1945), Boston Yanks (1946-1948)
New York Bulldogs (1949), New York Yanks (1950-1951)
Dallas Texans (1952)
Baltimore Colts (1953-1983), Indianapolis Colts (1984-present)
The Brooklyn Dodgers played in the first televised NFL game in 1939 against the Eagles.
And the Triangles won the first ever NFL game. And they won the Greatest Game Ever Played in 1958. And had the first black head coach to win a Super Bowl. The Colts history can be traced back to 1913.
They also played the first TV baseball game the same year. Oddly, the oldest complete game color broadcast of a baseball game is from October 1, 1967. Nobody saved anything.
You get high props from me for using the clip from UHF when talking about the Badgers. Well done. Another good vid, baldy.
You should do this for every major league. would LOVE to see you talk about the NHL ones, especially
The League started as the American Professional Football Association(APFA). The name was changed to the NFL in 1922. So this year is actually the 100th year of the NFL name
the pottsville maroons definitely werent a success, but something else from pottsville is actually pretty decent, yuengling beer! especially their traditional lager.
Americas oldest brewery!
I’ve been having it since I moved to Florida. They have a 2nd brewery in Tampa. My grandpa was from Pennsylvania and always talked about the beer but I couldn’t have it in California
@@Zach-mw5so yes! can confirm I have relatives who moved to Lakeland and Clearwater they also have wawa down there now
Not a success? 1925 Champions!
Much more to the Duluth Eskimos story. In 1927 it was a traveling team with Star running back and future HoF member Ernie Nevers. Owner Ole Haugsrud would later be a minority owner in the Minnesota Vikings. Interesting enough that Ole's high school team in Superior Wisconsin was also called the Vikings and colors were purple and white. A similar Viking head logo was also used. If not for the Eskimos and their travel schedule, the upstart competing league lead by Red Grange might have done better.
Wait, so Jim Thorpe, who was Native American started a football team with other Native Americans, and they called them selves, the Indians, and, they weren’t offended by the name of their team?
Using your own image to make money is a different thing than some rich white guys stealing your image and giving you nothing in return, I'm glad you noticed!
I'm not surprised the Washington Senators failed. Washington admitted that having senators in their city was enough, and don't want to be reminded of that fact in sports. The reason the Ottawa Senators are still an NHL team in Ottawa? It's Canada.
Washington knows nothing about democracy
The only Senators DC residents used to vote for were baseball players for the annual All-Star Game
Be cool to have videos like these for the other major sports leagues (and yes, there was a pre-original 6 hockey team called the Montreal Maroons.)
Apparently the one lesson we can glean is DON'T FUCKING CALL YOUR TEAM THE "MAROONS."
@@qfmarsh64 but that Montreal Maroons team did win a Stanley Cup or two
What a buncha maroons
The Pottsville Maroons losing out on the NFL championship was not due simply to them playing Notre Dame, which would have been acceptable in and of itself. But because they knew it would be a big draw, the Maroons scheduled the game to take place in Philadelphia, which was within the territory of another NFL team, the Frankford Yellow Jackets. Controversy exists- the NFL commissioner warned Pottsville that if they played the game, they’d be booted out of the league, while Pottsville management stated the NFL gave them verbal permission.
The NFL should play special games in in some of these cities and stadiums if they still exist. The fans would love it. Call it a Heritage game or something. I know the stadium that hosted the Portsmouth Spartans still exists.
That would be cool for preseason games
I’m sad Louisville’s teams didn’t stick around because that’s my home :(
Not to mention we don’t have any big 4 sports teams. At least we have college
then college proceeds to lose to a school that's in their 2nd year being Division 1
I never get why their ABA team never got to going the NBA
I believe Kentucky is now the biggest populated state without a big 4 team. That or Connecticut.
@Mr. Pete Channel has reached the big time! I'm pretty sure it's Virginia.
Tim Mara was a gangster. Raiding players and sinking franchises down the toilet. 😂
Lesson learnt from this excellent presentation is don't call your NFL team the maroons lol thank you really enjoyed this was fast snappy and so much fun information. Btw I'm from the UK so most of this was new and eye opening .
Fun Fact: The Orange (NJ) Tornadoes lives on in their High School teams.
I want a deep dive into the Tonawanda Kardex. Like a seriously, ridiculously deep dive. I'm talking character studies on key players, a "based on a true story" novel about their struggle to raise that $1,000 fee, players trying to pay for their blind niece's eye surgery, all of that shit. Like I want my heart to freaking BREAK when we get to the point where they finally tear up their charter. Make it happen bro, the world needs this.
20:00. As a massive wrestling mark, this joke isn’t lost on me. Well done mr fpv. Well done 💜💛
The current Colts are actually descended from 3 teams in two leagues. The Dayton Triangles became the Brooklyn Dodgers/Tigers, which was merged with the Boston Yanks, which became the New York Yanks (but was counted as an expansion franchise because the owner was heavily in debt and by having his team “folded” and then re-entering the NFL as an expansion franchise he got a huge tax break, allowing him to get out of debt, even though all the team’s assets and personnel was still retained). The Yanks were then merged with the remnants of the New York Yankees of the AAFC in 1950 (the Giants got some players first and the rest remained with the merged team). The team moved to Dallas to become the Texans but was, sold the franchise back to the NFL, became the Colts as their assets went with the team to Baltimore but was counted as an expansion franchise to try and give the team a clean slate (something about Baltimore makes the NFL count existing franchises as new when they move to Baltimore, looking at you Browns/Ravens) and the rest, as they say, is history.
They really should have their history on a SecretBase video. It’s truly incredible.
There were also 2 merged teams that lasted a season apiece: the Steelers and Eagles (“Steagles”) and Steelers and Cardinals (“Card-Pitt”)
Fun fact: Card-Pitt were called "Carpets" by some people since they were REALLY bad
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats in the CFL are a child of this as well. Hamilton used to have teams called the Tigers and Wildcats. They merged and became the Tiger-Cats.
Interesting video five. Another tid bit about Jim Thorpe is the Giants were not the first pro team he played for. Thorpe played for the Pine Village Pros located in Pine Village, Indiana in 1913 before joining the Giants later that year
Holy shit. I live about an hour's drive from there. That town is a pinprick.
Despite their logo choice, I think the Providence Steamroller(s --the NFL lists them without the S) is the coolest name... A whole team as a unit representing a singular mighty force. That's kinda badass.
I prefer “Providence Steamroller”, it really captures the image of that singular mighty force that you mentioned. That would be an amazing name, shame no one else picked it up,
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 A pro basketball team picked up this name afterwards, but that team also no longer exists
The Cardinals won't win a Super Bowl until we get our trophy back in Pottsville.
Right on 👍👊🏻✊
never thought i’d see you post a video longer than 15 minutes again
Sorry Five but I was disappointed to hear you say you couldn't find anything noteworthy about the Duluth Eskimos. In 1926, they basically saved the NFL by signing star running back Ernie Nevers, who was all set to sign with the rival AFL that was started by Red Grange. However, the Duluth owner (Ole Haugsrud) went to high school with Nevers and that was the deciding factor in him signing with Duluth. With Grange and Nevers (the two biggest stars in football at the time) playing in the AFL, its possible the NFL doesnt make it (or would have been forced into some type of merger).
With Nevers, Duluth only played only one game at home before going on a long cross-country barnstorming tour that included a number of league plus many exhibitions against local amateur teams.
After the 1927 season, Nevers left to go play baseball (and would wind up back in the league with the Cardinals a few years later). Meanwhile, the team folded as Haugsrud sold the team back to the league. At that point, he was issued a promise by the league that the next time the NFL came to Minnesota, he would have a chance to buy into that team. He waited for over 30 years, but the league honored that promise and let him buy 10% of the Minnesota Vikings when they were an expansion team in 1961.
There is also an urban legend surrounding the fate of the Eskimos and it having a link to the modern day NFL. Haugsrud would go on to claim that his defunct team was the same that one that became the Orange/Newark Tornadoes in 1929/30 before going defunct again. The next team to join the league was the Boston Braves, who would move to Washington to become the Redskins (now Commanders). Some have claimed that the Boston franchise was awarded the assets of the old Orange/Newark club (and is thus a continuation of the old Duluth club as well). However, as I said this seems to be urban legend as the league does not recognize that continuity.
Man imagine if the vikings suited up as the Minneapolis marines as a throwback for veterans day weekend
APFA not APFL. They originally were the APFC(American Professional Football Conference) but after a meeting with other teams from the New York Pro Football League and gained more teams, they changed the name to APFA(American Professional Football Association) which they had for the first 2 seasons from 1920 to 1921
I was thinking the same thing when he said APFL!!
I can’t wait to see if this includes the Washington commanders or not. lol Well thanks for clarifying that in the first 10 seconds! LOL
If the federal courts decides to cease the Washington team because it's connected to Snyder.
This is awesome. I live really close to Tonawanda and never knew there was an NFL team there
Fun fact: The NHL is the last major North American professional sports league to have a team go defunct (Cleveland Barons/Oakland Seals, 1978)
Kinda off-topic but to me this video somewhat shows how much it was a miracle that the Packers survived to this day.
And the Cardinals, along with the Bears they are the only two survivors from the original 1920 season.
Packers survived long enough to reap benefits of both network television and arrival Vince Lombardi nearly simultaneously (1959).
I live for FivePoints’ history videos & funny comparisons.
Awesome cid!
Now you should make videos of defunct teams for Major League Baseball, the NBA, and the NHL. In the MLB, you have the Federal League, the American Association, and a bunch of defunct NL Clubs. In the NBA, you have a bunch of defunct teams from the league's first decade in existence. In the NHL, you've got a bunch of pre-Original Six teams, as well as the California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons
You should do a video on "Stupid Team Names" as in the CFL they had 2 teams named "The Roughriders" when one folded they came back as "The Redblacks" Ottawa picks the absolute dumbest names for teams.
Not exactly. There was a team named the Renegades before the RedBlacks, that lasted for a few years. And if you want to be very precise the Roughriders are based in Regina, Saskatchewan while the Rough Riders were Ottawa's team from 1876 until 1996
@@griselame I never said that this was a definitive list. I said it a list of stupid names and having a small league like the CFL and two teams with the same name not talking about semantics. Also, I didn't do a full rundown of Ottawa teams, the rough riders folded and a while later the red blacks come in The red blacks and two roughrider teams are stupid
@@hommie789 as I said, in the early 2000s, before the RedBlacks there was another team in Ottawa, called the Renegades
@@griselame And the Renegades NEVER had a winning season and the CFL equivalent of Dan Snyder (the Glieberman's) ruined both the Rough Riders (almost moved to Shreveport) and the Renegades. The original Ottawa Rough Riders name is still held by a Chicago restauranteur hence the stupid names appearing in Ottawa.
Different CFL, the one Orange was in was the Continental Football League or CoFL. The Canadian Football League is completely different
The Pottsville Maroons didn't lose to the Notre Dame team, they beat them 9-7. The Notre Dame team was also a team of All-Stars so ex-college players. It was pretty common for the early NFL Champions or 2nd place to play the Notre Dame All-Stars after the season. The win actually helped the NFL be seen as more legit as many fans thought the college teams especially Notre Dame were the best. (Another game that helped was in 1930 where the Giants won 22-0 in Knute Rockne's final game which he played to generate money for The Great Depression.)
The issue with the Pottsville Maroons was they played the game in Philadelphia to draw a larger crowd which violated the Frankford Yellow Jackets land rights. Pottsville is kind of in the middle of nowhere and had a small field to match their small town's population. Attempts were made in the past to re-award the Maroons back their championship but have only really been supported by a former Governor of Pennsylvania as well as the Steelers and Eagles.
I'm from Pottsville
At 22:01 ..I have not only researched, but documented the transference of Dayton to Indianapolis...I have even been to the site of the first NFL game...and it intrigued me...after two years of study, I found a direct link from Dayton to the modern Colts...and because I'm a machine embroiderer, I found old logos for each team in the chain, and created a patch for every team change...I have just finished the last patch, and displayed all nine teams in a frame...I will put it on Etsy soon...If you are interested, look for it...
5:44 Honestly for some reason this cracked me up way harder than it should've lmfao. It's an accurate statement but goddamn xDD
21:57 you should definitely make a video on that, I love that story
Agreed. The Colts go back to before the NFL existed.
Okay can someone explain this to me bc I’m intrigued….
Fun fact in the NHL the Oakland seals moved to Cleveland and did so bad there they merged with the north stars in Minnesota. When the San Jose Sharks came into the league, Gund, the old owner of the Seals and minority owner of the north stars became The owner of the sharks. He gave Minnesota a couple late draft picks to signify the change. So technically the Sharks are a continuation of the Oakland Seals / Cleveland Barons franchise….
Okay I explained that complicated thing in short time … is it something like that? I’m very interested….
@ 23:48 is actor Paul Douglas who starred in many popular films of the 50s, including the original "Angels in the Outfield" and "It Happens Every Spring"
Great video. I can’t imagine the hours of research you did
It is incredible on how few people in Dayton realize that we helped started the modern NFL. Dayton has really done a lot when it comes to inventions and bringing things to the world. It might be a crap hole, but its my crap hole damnit.
The NFL was originally called the APFA not the APFL
The Pottsville Maroons beat the 4 horsemen of Notre Dame. You said they lost to them, either way they were stripped of their Championship by playing them and it was awarded to the Chicago Cardinals who are the present day Arizona Cardinals. They say this is the reason why the Cardinals franchise remains cursed and unable to win a Superbowl.
Yeah and the part about not being allowed to finish the season is wrong too
Correction: Kentucky has had a pro team since the NFL team left . They were called the Kentucky Colonels.
"Where are my buccaneers?"
"Under your buccin hat!"
Fun fact; that stripping of the 1925 NFL title is what many suspect is a curse on the Cardinals franchise, for them to never win (in this case) a Super Bowl. When the league in 1963 opened (what eventually became) the final chance to rectify Pottsville’s title, the early-Rozelle regime alongside the Bidwell family crushed those hopes. And thus with an embrace of the stealing of 1925, the Cardinals franchise to this day is cursed to never win again until the Pottsville title is legally acknowledged.
Another tibid; the Cardinals loss in Super Bowl XLIII was to the Steelers and the Rooney family…who some of them grew up in Pottsville.
None of the Rooneys grew up in pott
I wonder if bringing back the leather helmets would help with CTE and concussions
Interesting that you omitted the California Atoms. I guess a team that wins the Super Bowl with a mule was not worthy of mentioning.
The Cardinals have two NFL championships if you count the DQ controversy; they also won the Championship Game in 1947. After that, of course, they went over fifty years without winning another playoff game.
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Entertaining and informative!!!
"Washington Commies" has been added to the lexicon. Thanx for that!
Pottsville Maroons - there are people in that city of 13,000 that still carry a torch for their dearly-departed team's lost NFL championship. Repeated attempts to recoup the title have been rebuffed by modern-day NFL officials.
As an eagles fan, it annoys me when other Eagles fans try to claim the Yellow Jackets championship as an Eagles Championship.
The L.A. Buccaneers logo looks like the Joker wearing a bandanna & earrings while holding a sword in his mouth
That UHF reference was great
Mint video...did they use the same football for every game? That thing looks like it was worn down to the nub.
Actually, footballs were rounder back then. It was in the 30s when they got their current shape in order to facilitate better passing.
Being from Dayton, my hometown has the honour of hosting the first ever NFL game back in 1920. The Triangles still technically exist today as the Indianapolis Colts. However, the Colts do not recognise the Triangles history, nor do they recognise the Brooklyn Football Dodgers, Brooklyn Tigers, Boston Yanks, New York Bulldogs, New York Yanks, or even the original Dallas Texans as part of their history. They claim 1953 as their founding year and they have the most complex history of any football team in the NFL. I also have relatives in the state of Indiana speaking of the Colts
The NFL should give them founding franchise status. They’re the last remaining team from the Ohio League.
@@TigerWoodsLibido I agree
1979, the Bisons would live again as a minor league baseball team and current farm team of the Blue Jays. So we still have the Buffalo Buffaloes
I had no idea there was so many failed teams.
i really like the Badger’s logo for some reason. they should have stayed around for it alone.
That first Dallas Cowboys was not the first football team in Dallas. The Indianapolis Colts were. When in Dallas they lost every game, went belly up and the NFL moved them to Baltimore.
Bingo. Dayton-NYC-Boston-NYC-DFW-Baltimore-Indy. Insane history. Their horseshoe even has a triangular shape and they still have the same blue and white colors.
Now you have me hooked. How about a video on every defunct CFL franchise next? 😊
Or how the Baltimore Stallions still exist, after the failed CFL expansion into the US, the Grey Cup winning Baltimore Stallions moved to Montreal and became the Alouettes.
With two, soon to be three, defunct teams from OTTAWA!!
Basically all the CFL USA teams, Montreal Concordes, original Montreal Alouttes, Ottawa Rough Riders, Ottawa RedBlacks, some service teams, and some teams that existed before the consolidation of the western and eastern leagues into the CFL.
@@bokkebokke7 i think you mean the ottawa renegades instead of the redblacks, the redblacks still exist (for now)
@@calzoneyyy Got the 2 confused-kinda easy to do that, mea culpa. Thanks for the correction.
7:03 Eyoooo I lost it 😭😭🤣🤣
Awesome vid as always 5!!!
13:30 - The Chicago Cardinals also won the 1947 NFL Championship. They have two titles.
13:45 I remember seeing UHF in a theatre for the first time. When Raul dropped that line I busted out laughing.
...everyone else was silent.
An amazingly underrated movie
I mean that’s actually how you pronounce the word “Celts” not sure what Boston is doing over there.