Sometimes clarification is in order. If you still have questions after reading the rule book, this link may help. www.betterpickleball.com/most-misunderstood-rule-in-pickleball/
ok why make a video about a misunderstood rule without actually explaining the rule. Just about anyone can say "Go to page 33 and read" You don't need Certified Referee Training to do that. Weak video.
You are right we made a mistake and tried to correct it with a blog post. The link is in the comments We live and learn and you’re right. We’ll do it differently next time. Thanks for your feedback.
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the rule that says a player is in violation of the NVZ if after volleying they enter the NVZ but even if they step in after the ball is deemed a dead ball. This makes no sense as written. The point carries on in virtual perpetuity. In this sense I can make a legal volley and seconds later innocently step on the kitchen line as I turn around and lose the point. There has to be some cutoff point. When is it that the NVZ stops being a landmine for an otherwise winning volley? BTW, love your warm up and exercise routines.
This came up in rec play today with me as ref. During a rally when a player went for a ball he appeared to barely tip it, causing it to land just wide on his side. So I’m pretty sure this is out of my jurisdiction, that I can’t step in and make this call. That player said he thought he didn’t touch it. He called the shot wide and the other side appealed to me. Now can I give them the point because, although the ball landed wide, I felt the other side touched it?
Hi Ken, sorry for the delay but I wanted to reach out to Certified Referee Don Stanley. Here's what he had to say: Well, if you believe 100% that a ball touched a player/paddle/clothing, then that is a fault and you have every right/responsibility to immediately call it. If you didn't 100% believe it, then you can always ask the player to see if they admit they touched it. But I would stay away from calling it after the fact when the opponents mention it to you. That can easily seem like the opponents "talked you into it." If you were to make that fault call on me after the rally was over and after the opponents mentioned it, I would ask that if you are certain it happened, why didn't you call it when you saw it?
Shortly after I first started playing someone wrongly called me on calling the ball out ( a volleyball habit ) before I knew the rule. Unfortunately i switched my out call to let go witch is not as quick.
@@dalevoigt8612 One of my best PB buddies is big into Volleyball. Plays at national level, etc. Great guy. The V-ball seems to be serving him well in picking up Pickleball.
Many times in rec play I have have heard the score switched in the calling of the score like 8,4,1 instead of 4,8,1 while we all know the proper score we let it slide just to continue the flow of the game. Does this inverted score become a reality by not ackhoweging it as wrong? Would you find out for me. I don't know of the rule that would apply to this.
@Robert Swisshelm One of the new rules allows a wrong score to be called during a serve and not be corrected instantly. But, you must correct the score before the next serve.
Hi Richard, we talked about that. However, Mark felt that people would get a good understanding of it by simply reading it and then asking for clarification if needed
Hi Maggie and Richard, I think what Mark wanted players to do was to read the rule because it's a pretty simple rule that gets misunderstood. When the one player on the receiving team calls the ball out (after it bounces), the ball is dead and play stops. If that player's partner or an appeal to the referee calls the ball in, then it is in because the benefit of the doubt goes to the opponents and is considered a fault against the receiving team. No lets or replays. The ball is dead when it was called out even if some of the players on the court keep playing. Does that make more sense?
The title of the you tube video is misunderstood. I have never had a problem with this rule. I was looking for something tricky about the rule. Maybe in the future read the rule and clarify then show an example.
Hi Richard, thanks for the feedback and you are right next time we’ll do it differently. In the meantime we wrote a follow up blog to further explain this www.betterpickleball.com/most-misunderstood-rule-in-pickleball/
Thanks. Another rule or procedure thing I saw online somewhere involved with a serving player calls the wrong score. I think I saw that the receiving player can catch the all in his/her hand for a "non play". That is probably true but what happens next? A re-do? Lost of serve?
Did you edit out the discussion of the rule and its application? Seems weird to have this video title without that discussion. Perhaps the title should have been "Certified Referee School". Just sayin'...
I think what Mark wanted players to do was to read the rule because it's a pretty simple rule that gets misunderstood. When the one player on the receiving team calls the ball out (after it bounces), the ball is dead and play stops. If that player's partner or an appeal to the referee calls the ball in, then it is in because the benefit of the doubt goes to the opponents and is considered a fault against the receiving team. No lets or replays. The ball is dead when it was called out even if some of the players on the court keep playing. Sorry if you thought it was misleading, we'll do better next time.
I personally have a real problem with the rules allowing your opponents to yell "Out" while the ball is in the air; they could yell "Bounce it", but I think yelling "Out" causes real confusion for the other team. I have played tennis for 50 years, and this has never been allowed in tennis -- or at the very least, I was taught that this was unethical.
I couldn't agree more. I have trained myself to use "NO!" as a call off the ball. It's clear, quick and unambiguous to both my partner and the opponents. Some people do use "no" to call a ball out, but after the ball has bounced, it;s not really an issue.
It would be helpful if a video on the most misunderstood rule would explain what the rule is and why it is misunderstood. I can read just fine, but I am looking at a video screen, not a rule book.
Very disappointing that the rule wasn't actually explained. Why point out the most misunderstood Rule and not explain it? Video was a complete waste of time unfortunately
Hi Adam, sometimes I don't get it right and It looks like you missed the comments section. Here's a link to the blog post follow up. Hope that it helps. www.betterpickleball.com/most-misunderstood-rule-in-pickleball/
Do I surrender a point (or rally) if I catch or stop a ball in the air, well beyond the boundary that is CLEARLY sailing out to avoid having to wait for it to land and having to chase it down?
The most misunderstood rule is that if an "out" call is made after the ball bounces, it will be considered a line call; the ball will be considered a dead ball and the play stops. If a player on the receiving team or the referee then calls that the ball is in, it is a fault against the receiving team. For more info check out this page: wearepickleball.com/most-misunderstood-rule-in-pickleball/
My partner who was outside the court, overruled my out call, when I was right on top of the ball. Then he rattled off the "your partner can overrule you" rule. Now I understand the "Certified Referee" nonsense. Right or wrong, an out call is final. When you write rules to change the outcome, you're making a mistake. A simple game, made argumentative, by obscure rules in a 50 page rule book.
Debee thanks for sharing. I don't want to throw fuel onto the fire but this is may have been and insatnce where rule 6.D.7. applies. Do not call a ball “out” when you are looking across the line, unless you can clearly see a space between the line and the ball as it hits. If you were on top of the shot and your partner was across the court it's likely he shouldn't have called it out. Perhaps you can "rattle" that one off to him next time. 😉
Hey Mike we realized based on the questions that there was still confusion. There is a pinned post with a link to a further explanation. Hope that helps!
I disagree this is most misunderstood it doesn’t make any sense. Either the receiving team or ref. Make decisions weather a ball is in. So if the ball is determined “in” you can’t keep playing. Now if there was a discussion on this topic. I can see where this could be a problem. Like if my partner calls a ball out. I hit the ball over and the other team stops play and I say that ball was in. Well it’s loss of our point because my partner called it out. But still not misunderstanding because the rule is if there’s an argument between receiving teammates the ruling goes to the other team. This is why whenever something happens I look at my partner and we give each other a nod or a shake of my head. Yes it was “in” or I didn’t see it otherwise if I saw it out I say out. I’ve had more problems with on the server the ball hitting the net and landing on wrong side of the court but over the kitchen line and the other team thinking that’s a reserve then this call
I have a question regarding the server position during a doubles game. Let’s say the score is 3 2 2 and team B faults and the server returns to Team A. Score is now 2 3 1. Which side does Team A Server 1 serve from? Left or right side? Is it based on an odd or even score that determines which side Sever 1 serves from?
@@BetterPickleball this is what’s confusing in the rule book: Doubles 4.B.6.a. At the start of each side out, service begins in the right/even serving area. 4.B.6.b. When the team’s score is even (0, 2, 4 ...), the team’s starting server’s correct position is at the right/even serving area. When the team’s score is odd (1, 3, 5...), the starting server’s correct position is at the left/odd court. 4.B.6.b contradicts what 4.B.6.a just indicated.
@@meyerhaus3189I agree it can be confusing. These rules refer to two different things. Rule 4.b.6.a tells us where the serve starts after a side out. Rule 4.b.6.b shows you how to use the score to determine if each team is standing in the correct position on the court. e.g. are they the correct server and receiver? This video might help ua-cam.com/video/NYJ02zqxfHc/v-deo.html
What that rule does NOT address is when the receiving team calls "out" BEFORE the ball bounces. I would argue that is a fault against the receiving team, if the ball ultimately lands in play. Comments?
Hi Dora, yes if you can make it spin as long as you are compliant with all of the serving rules, it's in. If you didn't see the backhand serve videos, the rules for the serve are in there. ua-cam.com/video/BAtSfwG1XTw/v-deo.html
Please answer this “rule” question, CJ. We use portable pickleball nets on tennis or basketball courts since our small town does not have pickleball courts. This actually happened: Opponent hit the ball into the metal rod that supports the net, then the ball amazingly bounced OVER the net. This rod is about 25% above the ground. If there were no rod, the ball would have hit the net way below the halfway mark. Opponent contended that the ball was good because it went over but our team ignored hitting it since we assumed the ball was dead. CJ, can you PLEASE answer this question? If one hits the metal bar AND the ball goes over, is the ball in play or considered dead after hitting the bar (which is near the bottom of the net)! Also, please answer other unanswered questions in the comments section here. Thank you!
Here’s the rule right from the book 11.L.5.b. Other than on the serve, if the ball goes over the net and hits the center base or any part of the horizontal bar or the ball gets caught between the net and the horizontal bar before, or after, touching the court, it is a let and will be replayed.
thank you CJ that what i thought my dad and I have been arguing about this for a few weeks, but we have not been playing four every long thank you once again. By thw love watching your videos the have been playing me a lot
This is the rule that applies. 4.A.4. The ball must be struck without bouncing it. A person with a disability, such as having the use of only one arm, may bounce the ball before making the service motion.
Hi William, take a look at this video and if you have any questions after that let me know. Pickleball Rules-Ever Forget Which Side You Should Be On? ua-cam.com/video/NYJ02zqxfHc/v-deo.html
This rule seems a little more tricky: 6.D.9. In doubles play, if one player calls the ball “out” and the partner calls it “in,” then doubt exists and the team’s call will be “in,” (except that any player may appeal a call to the referee).
There is no provision in the rule book for a player to over-rule his partner's line call of "out" in order to allow play to continue. Rule 6.D.9 is written in the context of resolving differences of opinion between partners AFTER a ball has been declared dead and NOT for the purpose of allowing play to continue. I wish the video and gone into more detail on this point, despite how explicit 6.D.12 is on this situation.
6.D.9. In doubles play, if one player calls the ball “out” and the partner calls it “in,” then doubt exists and the team’s call will be “in,” (except that any player may appeal a call to the referee). The rule does not state its purpose. Being that a call should be called immediately the 2 calls should be almost simultaneous wich gives those that know the rule an opportunity to keep playing. My advice is to play those close balls, even if you called it out just in case you are overruled. Also make your overruled calls quick, in order to be able give your partner enough time to continue the point.
6.D.9. In doubles play, if one player calls the ball “out” and the partner calls it “in,” then doubt exists and the team’s call will be “in,” (except that any player may appeal a call to the referee). If my partner calls a ball out then I call it in and hit the ball over the net is the ball in play; or does rule 6D12 kill the ability play the ball as soon as my partner enunciated out. 6.D.12. If an “out” call is made after the ball bounces, it will be considered a line call. The ball will be considered dead and play shall stop. If a player on the receiving team or the referee upon appeal then indicates the ball was in, it is a fault against the receiving team. P.S. Did not want to ask this ?? in youtube comments. Mark Renneson 11:33 AM (4 hours ago) to me As soon as the line call “out” is made. Play is dead. If you and your partner have a disagreement, other team gets point. I asked Mark to clarify the previous scenario. Thanks Third shot sports.
Hi Janet, Here are the two rules that apply 6.D.1. Players will call the lines on their side of the court (excluding service foot faults and all non-volley-zone lines, if being called by a referee). 6.D.3. The opponent gets the benefit of the doubt on line calls made. Any ball that cannot be called “out” will be considered “in.” Hope that clears it up!
When there is no referee, players make the calls on their side of the net, same as a line call. From a practical sense if I was unsure I would ask my opponents and abide by their call.
This happens a lot!! Nice to have clarification on it. 6.D.8. All “let” or “out” calls must be made “instantly”; otherwise, the ball is presumed good and still in play. “Instantly” is defined as calling “let” or “out” prior to the ball being hit by the opponent or before a dead ball is declared
How exactly is that implemented while short hopping a ball that is out. Because the swing is initiated before is out and can not be called till the ball is out, even if called the instant the ball is hit the time it takes for sound to travel and the time to fully enunciate out; it seems to me at times it may be heard after the ball is hit.
I have a question relating to the NVZ fault rule involving momentum carrying a player into the zone. If I am playing doubles and my partner is right in front of the kitchen and he hits a volley that is a winner, the point is dead. I notice after he hit the ball that he is starting to look a little wobbly and fear that he might fall in. If i PUSH him in before he has a chance to possibly fall into the kitchen on his own, is that a fault?
He has to reestablish himself outside the NVZ. Think of it like regaining his balance. If he does and you push him in after that it’s not a fault. If he doesn’t and you push him in it is a fault.
This rule confuses me. Sounds like the "tie goes to the runner in softball" but in this case the questionable in or out goes to the opponent but then is considered "in"? If the opponent doesn't call it "OUT" it is considered "IN"? How does this demonstrate "the opponent gets the benefit of the doubt"? 6.D.3. The opponent gets the benefit of the doubt on line calls made. Any ball that cannot be called “out” will be considered “in.” A player cannot claim a “let” because the ball was not seen or there is uncertainty. A player may appeal to the referee to make the call if he or she did not clearly see the ball land. If the referee is unable to make the call, the ball is “in.”
Hi Elaine, that's a great analogy! When the one player on the receiving team calls the ball out (after it bounces), the ball is dead and play stops. If that player's partner or an appeal to the referee calls the ball in, then it is in because the benefit of the doubt goes to the opponents and is considered a fault against the receiving team. No lets or replays. The ball is dead when it was called out even if some of the players on the court keep playing.
CJ Johnson My first pickle ball instructor who was also an ambassador taught me that one can go into the kitchen before the ball bounces. This comes in handy when I know that a ball is going to land in there and I can get in there and wait for it to bounce and put it away. I run into players all the time who vehemently swear that you cannot go into the kitchen UNTIL The ball lands. Can you do a video on this? Love your very informative videos! Keep up the good work.
Sometimes clarification is in order. If you still have questions after reading the rule book, this link may help. www.betterpickleball.com/most-misunderstood-rule-in-pickleball/
ok why make a video about a misunderstood rule without actually explaining the rule. Just about anyone can say "Go to page 33 and read" You don't need Certified Referee Training to do that. Weak video.
You are right we made a mistake and tried to correct it with a blog post. The link is in the comments We live and learn and you’re right. We’ll do it differently next time. Thanks for your feedback.
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the rule that says a player is in violation of the NVZ if after volleying they enter the NVZ but even if they step in after the ball is deemed a dead ball. This makes no sense as written. The point carries on in virtual perpetuity. In this sense I can make a legal volley and seconds later innocently step on the kitchen line as I turn around and lose the point. There has to be some cutoff point. When is it that the NVZ stops being a landmine for an otherwise winning volley?
BTW, love your warm up and exercise routines.
Hi Ed, glad you are doing the warm up! Great point. It actually does stop when a player has reestablished their balance outside of the NVZ.
This came up in rec play today with me as ref. During a rally when a player went for a ball he appeared to barely tip it, causing it to land just wide on his side. So I’m pretty sure this is out of my jurisdiction, that I can’t step in and make this call. That player said he thought he didn’t touch it. He called the shot wide and the other side appealed to me. Now can I give them the point because, although the ball landed wide, I felt the other side touched it?
Hi Ken, sorry for the delay but I wanted to reach out to Certified Referee Don Stanley. Here's what he had to say:
Well, if you believe 100% that a ball touched a player/paddle/clothing, then that is a fault and you have every right/responsibility to immediately call it. If you didn't 100% believe it, then you can always ask the player to see if they admit they touched it. But I would stay away from calling it after the fact when the opponents mention it to you. That can easily seem like the opponents "talked you into it." If you were to make that fault call on me after the rally was over and after the opponents mentioned it, I would ask that if you are certain it happened, why didn't you call it when you saw it?
Where did you get that shirt? It’s awesome.
I've had that one for a long time!
When you try to smash the ball, do your both feet or at least one foot has to touch the ground?
nope! Just as long as when the feet come back down they aren't in the NVZ!
Shortly after I first started playing someone wrongly called me on calling the ball out ( a volleyball habit ) before I knew the rule. Unfortunately i switched my out call to let go witch is not as quick.
I use "no". Quick, clear and distinctive.
@@pickleballer1729 No is what I use now but if one is coming from another sport like volleyball out works just as well.
@@dalevoigt8612 One of my best PB buddies is big into Volleyball. Plays at national level, etc. Great guy. The V-ball seems to be serving him well in picking up Pickleball.
Does playing a ball when the wrong score is called mean that you accept that wrong score?
That happens a lot too
Dale Voigt page 24 rule 4.k, however I am not certain what happens if play goes on without a correction. I’ll ask Mark.
Many times in rec play I have have heard the score switched in the calling of the score like 8,4,1 instead of 4,8,1 while we all know the proper score we let it slide just to continue the flow of the game. Does this inverted score become a reality by not ackhoweging it as wrong? Would you find out for me. I don't know of the rule that would apply to this.
@Robert Swisshelm One of the new rules allows a wrong score to be called during a serve and not be corrected instantly. But, you must correct the score before the next serve.
Please explain the rule
Hi Xiomara take a look at the blog post in the pinned comment, that should clear up any confusion.
Did he explain the rule....maybe I missed it.
Hi David, refer to the discussion in the comments. You'll find more explanation and a blog post.
Eplanation of the actual rule re out calls would have been helpful
Hi Richard, we talked about that. However, Mark felt that people would get a good understanding of it by simply reading it and then asking for clarification if needed
CJ Johnson I listened and listened and still didn’t hear the explanation.
Hi Maggie and Richard, I think what Mark wanted players to do was to read the rule because it's a pretty simple rule that gets misunderstood. When the one player on the receiving team calls the ball out (after it bounces), the ball is dead and play stops. If that player's partner or an appeal to the referee calls the ball in, then it is in because the benefit of the doubt goes to the opponents and is considered a fault against the receiving team. No lets or replays. The ball is dead when it was called out even if some of the players on the court keep playing. Does that make more sense?
The title of the you tube video is misunderstood. I have never had a problem with this rule. I was looking for something tricky about the rule. Maybe in the future read the rule and clarify then show an example.
Thanks for the suggestion Maggie!
I would have expected you or the ref to actually explain the "most misunderstood rule" rather than just refer us to the USPA rule book.
Hi Richard, thanks for the feedback and you are right next time we’ll do it differently. In the meantime we wrote a follow up blog to further explain this www.betterpickleball.com/most-misunderstood-rule-in-pickleball/
Thanks. Another rule or procedure thing I saw online somewhere involved with a serving player calls the wrong score. I think I saw that the receiving player can catch the all in his/her hand for a "non play". That is probably true but what happens next? A re-do? Lost of serve?
Did you edit out the discussion of the rule and its application? Seems weird to have this video title without that discussion. Perhaps the title should have been "Certified Referee School". Just sayin'...
I think what Mark wanted players to do was to read the rule because it's a pretty simple rule that gets misunderstood. When the one player on the receiving team calls the ball out (after it bounces), the ball is dead and play stops. If that player's partner or an appeal to the referee calls the ball in, then it is in because the benefit of the doubt goes to the opponents and is considered a fault against the receiving team. No lets or replays. The ball is dead when it was called out even if some of the players on the court keep playing. Sorry if you thought it was misleading, we'll do better next time.
I personally have a real problem with the rules allowing your opponents to yell "Out" while the ball is in the air; they could yell "Bounce it", but I think yelling "Out" causes real confusion for the other team. I have played tennis for 50 years, and this has never been allowed in tennis -- or at the very least, I was taught that this was unethical.
Good feedback, thanks Thomas
I couldn't agree more. I have trained myself to use "NO!" as a call off the ball. It's clear, quick and unambiguous to both my partner and the opponents. Some people do use "no" to call a ball out, but after the ball has bounced, it;s not really an issue.
We try to say WATCH IT, or WAIT to our partner.
Hey Bob, thought that was you. Hello from your friends at Wickenburg Ranch Pickleball Club!!
So the most misunderstood rule in Pickle ball is still the most misunderstood rule. Even looking it up it would be nice for Mark to explain it!!!!
Hi Duane Mark wrote a blog post after the video to further explain. Check the comments for a link
@@BetterPickleball is there a link to Marks podcast explanation?
I am not great searching my through links I guess
It would be helpful if a video on the most misunderstood rule would explain what the rule is and why it is misunderstood. I can read just fine, but I am looking at a video screen, not a rule book.
Thanks for your feedback. We realize we wiffed. You may want to check out the comment section for some clarifications
I really wish you had explained the rule, instead of just pointing out that it exists. So, is it legal to call a ball "out" before it bounces or not?
Yes it’s legal. If you look at the comments there’s a link to a blog post
Holy Cow, just tell us. I was on the edge of my seat......then I just fell off.
Hope you didn't hurt yourself!😅
Very disappointing that the rule wasn't actually explained. Why point out the most misunderstood Rule and not explain it? Video was a complete waste of time unfortunately
Hi Adam, sometimes I don't get it right and It looks like you missed the comments section. Here's a link to the blog post follow up. Hope that it helps. www.betterpickleball.com/most-misunderstood-rule-in-pickleball/
Do I surrender a point (or rally) if I catch or stop a ball in the air, well beyond the boundary that is CLEARLY sailing out to avoid having to wait for it to land and having to chase it down?
Technically, Yes you do. You have to let the ball bounce. Now practically if you have an understand with the other team then go ahead
I kept searching through the video for an explanation of the most misunderstood rule but never found it. What a waste of time.
The most misunderstood rule is that if an "out" call is made after the ball bounces, it will be considered a line call; the ball will be considered a dead ball and the play stops. If a player on the receiving team or the referee then calls that the ball is in, it is a fault against the receiving team. For more info check out this page: wearepickleball.com/most-misunderstood-rule-in-pickleball/
My partner who was outside the court, overruled my out call, when I was right on top of the ball. Then he rattled off the "your partner can overrule you" rule. Now I understand the "Certified Referee" nonsense.
Right or wrong, an out call is final. When you write rules to change the outcome, you're making a mistake.
A simple game, made argumentative, by obscure rules in a 50 page rule book.
Debee thanks for sharing. I don't want to throw fuel onto the fire but this is may have been and insatnce where rule 6.D.7. applies. Do not call a ball “out” when you are looking across the line, unless you can clearly see a space between the line and the ball as it hits. If you were on top of the shot and your partner was across the court it's likely he shouldn't have called it out. Perhaps you can "rattle" that one off to him next time.
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This is basically click-bait. Just explain the rule, don't waste our time.
Hey Mike we realized based on the questions that there was still confusion. There is a pinned post with a link to a further explanation. Hope that helps!
People say the same thing about calling out (as communication) in tennis. Delighted that Pickleball rules addressed this explicitly.
It does help!
Terrible. Came here to learn rules not become a referee. Wrong title.
Hi Brandon, make sure to check out the comments. You were correct we whiffed in this video but most people found the blog post cleared it up.
I disagree this is most misunderstood it doesn’t make any sense. Either the receiving team or ref. Make decisions weather a ball is in. So if the ball is determined “in” you can’t keep playing. Now if there was a discussion on this topic. I can see where this could be a problem. Like if my partner calls a ball out. I hit the ball over and the other team stops play and I say that ball was in. Well it’s loss of our point because my partner called it out. But still not misunderstanding because the rule is if there’s an argument between receiving teammates the ruling goes to the other team. This is why whenever something happens I look at my partner and we give each other a nod or a shake of my head. Yes it was “in” or I didn’t see it otherwise if I saw it out I say out.
I’ve had more problems with on the server the ball hitting the net and landing on wrong side of the court but over the kitchen line and the other team thinking that’s a reserve then this call
Reading comments i see what your saying this rule is misunderstood by people who haven’t read the rule
Brian I like both of your comments. I hadn’t thought about the let call but can see how that could be confusing. Thanks for contributing!
I have a question regarding the server position during a doubles game. Let’s say the score is 3 2 2 and team B faults and the server returns to Team A. Score is now 2 3 1. Which side does Team A Server 1 serve from? Left or right side? Is it based on an odd or even score that determines which side Sever 1 serves from?
Hi Meyer, after a side out the serve always starts on the right side. This video might help ua-cam.com/video/eMEpFipIdrk/v-deo.html
@@BetterPickleball this is what’s confusing in the rule book:
Doubles
4.B.6.a.
At the start of each side out, service begins in the right/even serving area.
4.B.6.b.
When the team’s score is even (0, 2, 4 ...), the team’s starting server’s correct position is at the right/even serving area. When the team’s score is odd (1, 3, 5...), the starting server’s correct position is at the left/odd court.
4.B.6.b contradicts what 4.B.6.a just indicated.
@@meyerhaus3189I agree it can be confusing. These rules refer to two different things. Rule 4.b.6.a tells us where the serve starts after a side out. Rule 4.b.6.b shows you how to use the score to determine if each team is standing in the correct position on the court. e.g. are they the correct server and receiver? This video might help ua-cam.com/video/NYJ02zqxfHc/v-deo.html
Very good video. There are so many rules that competitive players need to know to improve their games. Take time to read the rules.
Strongly agree Lane!
Hey on a serve, if the ball hits the center line is it a fault?
Nope, but if it hits the NVZ line that’s another story
What that rule does NOT address is when the receiving team calls "out" BEFORE the ball bounces. I would argue that is a fault against the receiving team, if the ball ultimately lands in play. Comments?
6.c.11 in the 2024 book
Ok
Can you all it out and still hit the ball
You sure can.
On a serve is it legal make the ball spin on the bounce (slice the ball)
Hi Dora, yes if you can make it spin as long as you are compliant with all of the serving rules, it's in. If you didn't see the backhand serve videos, the rules for the serve are in there. ua-cam.com/video/BAtSfwG1XTw/v-deo.html
CJ Johnson ok thanks
This happens a lot too. 6.D.5. A player should not question an opponent’s
call, although any player may appeal a call to a
referee.
Please answer this “rule” question, CJ. We use portable pickleball nets on tennis or basketball courts since our small town does not have pickleball courts. This actually happened: Opponent hit the ball into the metal rod that supports the net, then the ball amazingly bounced OVER the net. This rod is about 25% above the ground. If there were no rod, the ball would have hit the net way below the halfway mark. Opponent contended that the ball was good because it went over but our team ignored hitting it since we assumed the ball was dead. CJ, can you PLEASE answer this question? If one hits the metal bar AND the ball goes over, is the ball in play or considered dead after hitting the bar (which is near the bottom of the net)! Also, please answer other unanswered questions in the comments section here. Thank you!
Here’s the rule right from the book
11.L.5.b. Other than on the serve, if the ball goes over the net and hits the center base or any part of the horizontal bar or the ball
gets caught between the net and the horizontal bar before, or after, touching the court, it is a let and will be replayed.
And I was in Reno today :-)
Bummer, you could have joined us!
On a server is it legal to toss the ball up or does the ball have to drop before the hit
Hi Michael, the rules don't specify what must be done with the toss. You can toss or you can drop
thank you CJ that what i thought my dad and I have been arguing about this for a few weeks, but we have not been playing four every long thank you once again. By thw love watching your videos the have been playing me a lot
Thanks Michael!
This is the rule that applies.
4.A.4. The ball must be struck without bouncing it. A person with a disability, such as having the use of only one arm, may bounce the ball before making the service motion.
Rules 4.B.6.a and 4.B.6.b seem to conflict with each other. Can you clarify?
Hi William, take a look at this video and if you have any questions after that let me know. Pickleball Rules-Ever Forget Which Side You Should Be On? ua-cam.com/video/NYJ02zqxfHc/v-deo.html
This rule seems a little more tricky: 6.D.9. In doubles play, if one player calls the ball
“out” and the partner calls it “in,” then doubt
exists and the team’s call will be “in,” (except
that any player may appeal a call to the
referee).
There is no provision in the rule book for a player to over-rule his partner's line call of "out" in order to allow play to continue. Rule 6.D.9 is written in the context of resolving differences of opinion between partners AFTER a ball has been declared dead and NOT for the purpose of allowing play to continue. I wish the video and gone into more detail on this point, despite how explicit 6.D.12 is on this situation.
6.D.9. In doubles play, if one player calls the ball “out” and the partner calls it “in,” then doubt exists and the team’s call will be “in,” (except that any player may appeal a call to the referee).
The rule does not state its purpose. Being that a call should be called immediately the 2 calls should be almost simultaneous wich gives those that know the rule an opportunity to keep playing. My advice is to play those close balls, even if you called it out just in case you are overruled. Also make your overruled calls quick, in order to be able give your partner enough time to continue the point.
6.D.9. In doubles play, if one player calls the ball “out” and the partner calls it “in,” then doubt exists and the team’s call will be “in,” (except that any player may appeal a call to the referee).
If my partner calls a ball out then I call it in and hit the ball over the net is the ball in play; or does rule 6D12 kill the ability play the ball as soon as my partner enunciated out.
6.D.12. If an “out” call is made after the ball bounces, it will be considered a line call. The ball will be considered dead and play shall stop. If a player on the receiving team or the referee upon appeal then indicates the ball was in, it is a fault against the receiving team.
P.S. Did not want to ask this ?? in youtube comments.
Mark Renneson
11:33 AM (4 hours ago)
to me
As soon as the line call “out” is made. Play is dead. If you and your partner have a disagreement, other team gets point.
I asked Mark to clarify the previous scenario. Thanks Third shot sports.
Thanks Elaine
On a conflicted, each side calls different, double bounce who makes the call, the hitting team or the receiving team.
Hi Janet, Here are the two rules that apply
6.D.1. Players will call the lines on their side of the court (excluding service foot faults and all non-volley-zone lines, if being called by a referee).
6.D.3. The opponent gets the benefit of the doubt on line calls made. Any ball that cannot be called “out” will be considered “in.”
Hope that clears it up!
@@BetterPickleball Looks like the question is regarding double bounce, not out.
When there is no referee, players make the calls on their side of the net, same as a line call. From a practical sense if I was unsure I would ask my opponents and abide by their call.
This happens a lot!! Nice to have clarification on it. 6.D.8. All “let” or “out” calls must be made
“instantly”; otherwise, the ball is presumed
good and still in play. “Instantly” is defined as
calling “let” or “out” prior to the ball being hit
by the opponent or before a dead ball is
declared
Perfect Elaine, we can add it into a future video!
How exactly is that implemented while short hopping a ball that is out. Because the swing is initiated before is out and can not be called till the ball is out, even if called the instant the ball is hit the time it takes for sound to travel and the time to fully enunciate out; it seems to me at times it may be heard after the ball is hit.
I have to agree with you
Dale, before the OPPONENT hits it, not before you, as the receiver, hits it.
I have a question relating to the NVZ fault rule involving momentum carrying a player into the zone.
If I am playing doubles and my partner is right in front of the kitchen and he hits a volley that is a winner, the point is dead. I notice after he hit the ball that he is starting to look a little wobbly and fear that he might fall in. If i PUSH him in before he has a chance to possibly fall into the kitchen on his own, is that a fault?
He has to reestablish himself outside the NVZ. Think of it like regaining his balance. If he does and you push him in after that it’s not a fault. If he doesn’t and you push him in it is a fault.
Ive heard that you can pull your partner out, to avoid the fault
Do you have any rules questions?
This rule confuses me. Sounds like the "tie goes to the runner in softball" but in this case the questionable in or out goes to the opponent but then is considered "in"? If the opponent doesn't call it "OUT" it is considered "IN"? How does this demonstrate "the opponent gets the benefit of the doubt"?
6.D.3. The opponent gets the benefit of the doubt on
line calls made. Any ball that cannot be called
“out” will be considered “in.” A player cannot
claim a “let” because the ball was not seen or
there is uncertainty. A player may appeal to the
referee to make the call if he or she did not
clearly see the ball land. If the referee is unable
to make the call, the ball is “in.”
Hi Elaine, that's a great analogy! When the one player on the receiving team calls the ball out (after it bounces), the ball is dead and play stops. If that player's partner or an appeal to the referee calls the ball in, then it is in because the benefit of the doubt goes to the opponents and is considered a fault against the receiving team. No lets or replays. The ball is dead when it was called out even if some of the players on the court keep playing.
CJ Johnson My first pickle ball instructor who was also an ambassador taught me that one can go into the kitchen before the ball bounces. This comes in handy when I know that a ball is going to land in there and I can get in there and wait for it to bounce and put it away. I run into players all the time who vehemently swear that you cannot go into the kitchen UNTIL The ball lands. Can you do a video on this? Love your very informative videos! Keep up the good work.
Hostile Hessian great point! I’ll put it on the list. Thanks for the suggestion
Yeah, what's rule 6.D.12 ?