Great video! I loved how you put both in a positive light for their strengths instead of weaknesses. I was on the fence about getting both, but now I feel good about backing Primal all in! I think that my "light" boss battler will end up being Townsfolk Tussle for something quick to get to the table, and also give new players a taste of what boss battlers are with blowing their minds with something heavy right off the bat. As always, thanks for the info!
As much as I love the MH franchise, Steamforged Games has disappointed me time and time again with their licensed releases. Nice minis (not amazing but nice enough for board game standard) and all, but I fear the design and possibly the rules will be bland like their previous games. In the end I backed neither but I leaned more heavily toward Primal.
Primal, Monster hunter a games a game and enjoy what you like. I went all in with Primal plus I have the Dark souls board game and expansions so I'm covered.
solid video, you hit a lot of good comparisons. one thing that wasn't mentioned that might be important for folks is the cost of entry. primal was a whopping $168 (US) plus shipping to experience anything; with monster hunter world you can buy a decent chunk of gameplay for $70 plus shipping. for folks looking for a more casual experience, or with gaming groups where it'll be difficult to "get your money's worth" of table time for any one game, the much lower price of entry of MHW might be appealing. i skipped the KS for primal mainly because i don't have the physical room for both, and i knew the monster hunter IP would appeal to a *lot* of my gaming friends so it would hit the table more often. both look like really fun games though. :)
Ah yeah price is a great point. All in is fairly comparable but entry is not so good call there! I had fun with both and was glad to see they weren't carbon copies of each other :)
How about a Legacy Cagematch of Crawlers? Look at existing dungeon crawlers that you can easily find (non-KS) and put them together. Descent 2 Mice & Mystics Imperial Assault ... Just to name a few, I am sure you have some in your shelve :)
I was really worried that I was going to regret getting Primal and not waiting for MH:W but now I'm glad I went for it. MH:W doesn't look bad but Primal just seems to fit my playstyle more. Despite only having 4 zones to be in the terrain feels more important and tactical in Primal than MH:W. The cards and combo potential of Primal seem more exciting as well to me (getting a big combo in world is also possible but comes with the downtime as your stamina recovers whereas Primal you can pull off another on your next turn). The reaction system of Primal feels more exciting to me as you have more choice in activating them (if you see a red reaction you can just not play a red card and it won't activate) whereas in MH:W you get a rough idea of who the monster will target but you can't stop it. One thing that sells me most on Primal is they do have a one shot for most (maybe all?) monsters so you can fight them without having to do a campaign. I know MH:W does have arena quests but, and this is the other drawback, there's less monsters so that would get old quicker. The biggest downside to Primal is the complexity. When I played the demo I realised I was constantly missing rules because there's so much to remember. This is something that gets easier with more playtime but it does mean when playing with someone new it can be a bit overwhelming. MH:W however does seem far more streamlined and quicker to pick up In the end I think it comes down to how streamlined you want your experience to be (Primal has a steep uphill learning curve compared to MH:W but does have more depth once you get used to it) and how much you're willing to pay (MH:W has less monsters in the box but has a lower cost of entry)
I backed Primal and was going to back MH too but halfway out 2/3s of the way through I as like ok I made the right call with Primal and I'll skip MH. But by the end I was back to getting both. I dont know what too do HAHAHAHA. Thanks for the info and I love these Cage matches, please do more.
Still watching, but I wanted to comment on Primal’s version of abstracting distance vs Monster Hunters; Primal abstracts the distance for the bow by have a few cards that allows it to target zones that it is not currently in or piercing in general (if a remember correctly). I only played once, but it definitely had that “death by a thousand” discarded cards feel. I am hopeful that the MH Kickstarter reveals more terrain interaction, with the inclusion of Endemic life, like the video game. Great video King! It really helped. 👍🏼
@@TheKingofAverage I'd love this too! I love boss battler video games like MH and Dauntless, and I also love board games, but I somehow managed to go this long without realizing it was an entire genre of board games as well. I knew about Kingdom Death Monster, and... that's it until this MHW kickstarter. A video like this would be super helpful for learning what's out there and what's good!
I really like how you highlight the strengths of each game and how they fit different needs. For me Primal is so much more visually appealing but also way more money than I'm willing to spend on another boss battler haha. I'll probably pick up MWH core or one level above that, the gameplay is a lot more appealing to me.
I wanted you to tell me.if you have back primal you don't need to back monster hunter...damn you for not doing so haha. My wallet is hiding in the corner asking for me to stop opening it. I may just hold off unless they have very nice stretch goals....ugh the fomo.....
Steamforged stated that they aren't going to do Stretch Goals for this kickstarter and will just do Daily Unlocks that will only be available for the Core and All-In Pledges.
Good comparison. I think the best reason to get Monster Hunter is if you love the video game and you want to replicate that experience as closely as possible on the table. Since I don't play the video game and just want to play the better board game, I'm going with Primal.
Considering there are more than 13k following the Kickstarter for MHW:TBG then yes, I'd say there are A LOT of us who are really really excited about it - because we love Monster Hunter XD
Ty. While I would probably like Primal's deeper game play, I'm really in the market for a lighter boss battler with some rpg element, a la crafting. Plus my son is a big MHW video game player. This might get him to the table with me.
Thanks for this. I was interested in Primal until I saw the board. While it may have deeper mechanics I happen to like moving around on a board. The other thing I’m worried about is that Steamforged does not have the greatest track record with their games so that’s balancing out my love for the MH IP. But I will say adding a casual boss battler to my collection might be fun. I’ve already got KDM and Oathsworn will show up at some point. Good to have choices.
Thanks for the cage match, really useful. Backed primal bit was curious about this one but your explanation has helped me to pass and save the money for another day.
Appreciate your opinion and make some great points. Monster hunter seems more enjoyable and gna go all in on it. Being a fan of MH since it was released on PSP and just watching it on tabletop and watching the different phases just sticks with the core of the game. You got the Town phase to craft and prepare your next hunt. Then the gathering phase to choose if u go straight to the Monster or take different paths and take risk using time or even getting hurt in exchange for gathering loot for crafting, then the hunting phase and reward phase if successful. Can't tell ya how many times I fought a Rathalos for a 3% chance for a rathalos ruby to make that 1 set of gear. I love that part of MH which steamforge seems to capture it really well in the boardgame. Its almost as the gear you want will dictate what Monster to fight next and if u need lower rank armor in order to kill the tougher monsters so u will adjust ur target. I really don't mind eith what u call a downtime. It's part of the strategy. There is a reason that u need to basically use a turn to reset because u did some heavy hits and need to sharpen ur weapon or used to much stamina to doge or attack. The managing of stamina is key, who to take their turn, when to use potions, face tank a hit, or even feint on purpose to clear ur stamina/sharpen a weap so don't use one of ur turns. Just the seeing and feeling of strategically manipulating to a degree where the Monster will attack and go to next is exciting since I'm not really a big fan of the abstract movement in primal. Great comparison. Just wanted to share some reasons y I'm hype about mh. Man didn't mean it to be a long post.
Another great review seems everyone Online who had both games like primal better... The worst thing is all the things like jumping on monster back it destroying rocks is in the monster hunter video game so why they didn't put it in board game is beyond me. I think out of the two games monster hunter has opportunity to be the better game if they just do some good old fashion copy primal best bits lol... I think they need to ditch some aspects when they are focusing on game and try be more of a board game. I don't want to back it and spend £200 on a board game trying to be a video game when I own the video game. Seems primal focusing more on being a board game and I heard the card game play aspects is really good. I want to get monster hunter as the elder dragon looks sensational but I'm bias I want monster hunter to be better but seem reality is primal is lol.... Well I'm very new to this board game World only found out ppl still play board games recently and it blew my mind with excitement. First game I backed was pursuit of happeninss big box version all in and I brought the game too as Kickstarter come end 2021... Didn't know about boss games till monster hunter came out and I'm annoyed I missed primal Kickstarter. Speaking of pursuit of happeninss did u do a review for that or was that beneath you lol.
Great video! It gave some very detailed insight into both games and I'm very excited to hear they are both so different. Looks like I might have to get both, even though my wallets opinion might not like that
Well "have to" is a strong term :) But you know your situation better than anybody - I just hope I was able to give you more data to help make the right choice, 1 or the other or both is fine by me :)
I really do thank you for these types of reviews, my wallet thanks you, as I think I'm good with townsfolk tussle for my family boss battler :D. You know what my be interesting is a Last Tales vs a traditional campaign board game like gloomhaven.
Thanks, this confirmed what i expected. Do you think Oathsworn is more similar to Monster Hunter World (all be it much better in my opinion)? I have Oathsworn and Primal pledged so i don't think i will go for MHW
Awesome thanks. I dislike most of the negatives of MHW and don‘t mind any of the negatives of Primal and vice versa with the positives so that’s a very easy decision. And yes I‘m aware you are biased here and it was apparent the whole way though but that‘s fine.
Ah you forgot to highlight the IP aspect sufficiently IMO. There are a lot of die hard Monster Hunter fans out there. I would imagine they don‘t really care about the differences and pick the „official“ one straight away. I had that experience with Bloodborne. I couldn‘t care less how the game plays and whether I‘d like it. It was a must have. Your criticism of the MH art is therefore probably the entire opposite for some folks.
I want to possibly purchase for my currently 10 year old son. It would deliver just in time for his 12th birthday. I think the less weighty game play will benefit him and possibly other friends of his that don’t have any gaming experience. Also, he’s played one of the monster hunter games on a console. Thanks for additional info. Still on the fence though if it’s worth $300. We have a TON of games already but none like this.....
hmm dunno, I'll probably pass on them both. the only MHW playthrough i watched didn't convince me at all and primal still doesn't 100% convince me, but if I reconsider I'll probably pick primal
Whoa cool comparison i exactly need. May i have your recommendation, which one have more replayability, variety, and got feels like you face a "living" monster?
I really like the look and feel of primal, and as a boss battler it sounds like it offers better boss battles. MHW sounds like it might be the better pick for the people I game with. So I guess I’m still on the fence for both.
Appreciate how you characterized your opinions. The weight-iness is a huge factor, since I don't have a group that has the time to dig in to something with anything resembling meaty story, MHW it is :)
I think I convinced my wife to let me get MH :) it’ll be my first miniature game for us. And yeah this video helped me decide. Already a big investment money and time-play for a first mini. Don’t want to get even crazier with getting something like primal. 👍
You make it sound like the environment has no real "character" in the gameplay of MH:W... Additionally, I already knew that Primal had a whole campaign book with it, but I guess I expected SteamForged to reveal one for MH:W too, since literally every MH game in the franchise has been entirely story-driven... But SteamForged has never ceased to disappoint me, and unfortunately MH:W isn't where they seem to be breaking that streak. Great comparison, you hit all the important aspects, thanks for making it easier to make up my mind!
Great video, kind of late to the party for the MHW Pledge Manager. Primal is still open however with KDM arrving soon from the painter, do you think there is room for another boss battler if I already have KDM?
Ah so I didn't respond to this - they are very different games so I think you're good there. KDM is a resource grinding boss battler with crafting, research and a story made through each play through like a rogue like game. It is very involved with lots going on and to keep track of. Primal is a distilled/streamlined version of this in almost every way. No real grinding the same boss many times but still resource gathering and crafting. The map and abilities are simplified as is the research. I imagine it'll be quite nice to swap between the two to change things up. Don't want to fight the Antelope for the 5th time in KDM? Break out Primal and enjoy a new fight there. Ready to dive deep on the weekend into optimizing your survivor's kit? KDM has your back.
I like that we have so much variety in this kind of board game genre, my pick will be Monster Hunter for most of the point you already said PLUS the monster's designs (I like them more than in Primal). Thanks a lot! It's always a pleasure to hear your thoughts.
@23:57 what's funny is while I agree that MHW:TBG's video game art is bad, I also hate Primals art direction and the monster design. Primals is better because because it's not a video game still but just the design.....can't stand it. I already have Sleeping Gods, and Isofarian Guard is on its way. I just want to do what I do in MHW the video game. I wanna kill monsters. And have ranged attacks actually be ranged attacks. I'm not sad I missed Primal. I am a little sad MHW:TBG's combat will be a little light but that'll probably be fine. @30:00 Watching further, your point about light not being necessarily bad and will make it easier to get to the table will probably be good for my house. Wasted turns may be a downer, but I'm willing to find out the hard way 😀
SFG just announced that aside from some layout work, the game is already finished and will not be making any changes. With your experience with the game and now losing all benefit of the doubt for further development, does that change your opinions towards MHW? Being the game you played is essentially the final product?
I like that Monster hunter world has real ranged attacks(actually makes them feel different in class), I like the board better, I like the crafting concepts more. I like the art in Primal better and has more in-depth mechanic and some more story. Overall I can't pick one I like more. I wish I could pick and choose to make some amazing baby board game hybrid haha
It funny, KDM totally uses the "MH loot loop" from the MH video game. For me KDM is Monster hunter boss battle inside a demons soul world. A pity they aimed the game with so many plastic. They should do a lite version.
I love those cage fights. espacially this one cause I want only Primal :-) An as it seems, I did everything correct. But what I missed. What about grinding like in KDM? Do have to fight over and over again one boss to get stuff? In pc games I like this to some degree, but in Boardgames? I hate it. I only want to repeat bosses cause I failed. What about those two fellas?
Thank you for this, like I said in the MHW video, my son who is 10 has played MHW for two years. It's crazy, he has over 400 hours in that one game and I only let him play 2 days a week for 3 hours a day. I digress, sometimes people like light games not because they LOVE light games but because they like playing a variety of games and , memorizing the rule set of 100+ heavy heavy games is just too much. I'm 100% the rules learner in the family. I would love to play a 4-6 hour beast, but sadly my group is my wife who loves light-med euros, my 10 year old son and my 7 year old son.
Thanks again for another great video. I was going to pass on MHW, but I just noticed that very little from the campaign is KS exclusive, so I'll probably grab it all at retail, which is quite a bit cheaper. Very glad I went all-in with Primal, though.
Great review , i won't go for any of those kick starter and I'll wait the italian localization , just because i'm still a bit confused . I might prefer Primal , I'm not a loot fan , and for what i've seen so far the mechanics are interesting , but at the same time the lightness of MH make it a bit easy to be played by casual players ...I'll let you know . Thanks for your good job
I backed primal at the last minute after all the positive buzz it was getting. My biggest hesitation was that it wasn’t MH and didn’t have the loot system because you’d only fight each monster once but I’m really not looking forward to grind that appears in MHW. Glad I went with Primal. I figure worst case if I want, after I finish the campaign of primal I’ll just do a end game where I can grind monsters at nausem to craft all the gear I didn’t get to take on the legendary difficulties as if it was Monster Hunter.
Although the winner for you is clear from the start Dark Rituals vs. Conan might be an interesting cage match. Maybe vs. Batman Gotham Chronicles also.
I'd like to see a comparison b/w VS System 2PCG and Ashes Rise of the Phoenixborn/Reborn. Both are head to head card games with the LCG format (so no blind boosters). Or I'd like to see Power Rangers Heroes of the Grid vs Marvel United. Both have miniatures and are hero and card driven with essentially a timer to defeat the chosen boss before it's too late.
I'm new to the fantasy board games especially battle boss board games. I love Monster Hunter genre so that is a definite buy for me. Primal sounds cool so I am open to getting both in the future. Do they come out the same day though?
Great Cage Match since a lot of gamers are on the fence whether they need both games. I went all in on Primal and was planning on getting 3d piece representations for all terrain effects. That will definitely enchanced Primal even more. Just visualize the plateau or sand terrain etc....it will be awesome.
double standee if that's the case. Since it rotates so much you'd be looking at the side of some cardboard unless it was two pieces like trees and stuff are in games.
MH will be way more expensive if you want to have some variety in the monsters you can fight. The basegame comes with very few bosses for a "boss battler". It was 70$ for 4 bosses or 140$ for 8 (so 70$ for 4 more bosses) or 17,5$ per Boss. Primal was 170$ for 17 bosses so 10$ per boss.
@@aerouge4492 o was looking this at the moment. The all in for primal give you 18 monsters. MH all in can give you potentialy 12. And MH have too fucking many winged deagon like monsters... o wish Primal had MH board insted.. jesus this is anoying. O need those two games to get together and have a son
I backed Primal, I’m not backing MHW, and this video supports that choice for me (Luckily!). I did just back Lasting Tales at the legendary level, however, so I’m hoping there’s nothing else in awhile now 😂 Great video, thanks! 👍
I know you mentioned that the looting system is better in Monster Hunter, but I would like to hear you on the gear systems of each. From what I can tell, Primal gears was feeling pretty unique and was kind of giving you a play style to your hunter (not counting the mastery here). How is it in Monster Hunter? Would like to hear on it XD Btw, I love these Cage match and would love to hear you about Super Fantasy Brawl against other skirmish games. Thanks for the video!
Primal looks cool but it also looks very complicated from the play through videos I’ve seen. Can pretty much guarantee I won’t play it right and will be constantly missing different game mechanics bouncing off each other. Think I might late pledge MHW. Appreciate the breakdown of both though, very helpful!
If MHW is that much lighter in combat, then I can't see how it qualifies as a boss battler. Btw, the cage match series are absolutely some of your best. It is because of your AT:O vs. Oathsworn cage match that I decided to go BOTH. LOL. Looking forward to more!
haha sounds like one cost you more and the other might have saved you some :D Yeah the "advanced AI" part is completely gone out of this one as this doesn't really react to you or your actions in any meaningful way. It just does it's thing and you react to that instead. At it's heart, this is a gear grind loot driven game.
Yeah agree the gameplay of MH is really disappointing from what ive seen and im a big MHW player possibly my most played video game of the last year but im glad i went all in on Primal because it fits my love of the video game more
Soooooooo more important than anything else. Where did you get that shirt? It's amazing. Also, I noticed on this video you had the CC option. Thank you so much for adding that in. It was incredibly helpful.
Way cool shirt indeed! I grabbed it from: www.onceuponatee.net/?ref=5db087d0b8885 I have a discount code there so if you end up grabbing it use the code KingOfAverage to save some :) And you're welcome! :D
For anyone who doesn't know you can actually test out Primal on Tabletop Simulator. Highly recommend before you make your choice as it sold primal all in for me!
Yeah so there's no real "end game" like there is in the game really. Just an overall campaign timer. If you reach day 26 and still didn't "beat" the campaign then game over, start again. You can change the days as you wish for harder or easier times.
I'm definitely debating getting both, then swapping in and out the miniatures and game systems I want from either. my wallet is hating me right now....
Great video! I loved how you put both in a positive light for their strengths instead of weaknesses. I was on the fence about getting both, but now I feel good about backing Primal all in! I think that my "light" boss battler will end up being Townsfolk Tussle for something quick to get to the table, and also give new players a taste of what boss battlers are with blowing their minds with something heavy right off the bat. As always, thanks for the info!
I’m 1000% with you on this
I went All In for Primal and am going to go All in for Monster Hunter
My love for monster slaying games is going to murder my wallet
I did the same. You can't have too many giant monsters to slay!
Oook, now I'm waiting for primal late pledge opening :D
I’ve backed Primal so won’t be backing MHW...but better looting you say...and crafting..ok, I’ll look at MHW😂 Brilliant video! Really enjoyed it.
As much as I love the MH franchise, Steamforged Games has disappointed me time and time again with their licensed releases. Nice minis (not amazing but nice enough for board game standard) and all, but I fear the design and possibly the rules will be bland like their previous games.
In the end I backed neither but I leaned more heavily toward Primal.
I’m with you on the opinion of steamforged’s track record on games. But I do love the MH franchise so I may pick this up
Steamforged has been phoning it in since Guild Ball sadly.
So the bottom line is,,, if Primal team develope loot system better and even further then, it will be near perfect for monster hunting game.
I really appreciate these comparison videos. I definitely all in backed Primal after watching your previous video.
Primal, Monster hunter a games a game and enjoy what you like. I went all in with Primal plus I have the Dark souls board game and expansions so I'm covered.
solid video, you hit a lot of good comparisons. one thing that wasn't mentioned that might be important for folks is the cost of entry. primal was a whopping $168 (US) plus shipping to experience anything; with monster hunter world you can buy a decent chunk of gameplay for $70 plus shipping. for folks looking for a more casual experience, or with gaming groups where it'll be difficult to "get your money's worth" of table time for any one game, the much lower price of entry of MHW might be appealing.
i skipped the KS for primal mainly because i don't have the physical room for both, and i knew the monster hunter IP would appeal to a *lot* of my gaming friends so it would hit the table more often. both look like really fun games though. :)
Ah yeah price is a great point. All in is fairly comparable but entry is not so good call there!
I had fun with both and was glad to see they weren't carbon copies of each other :)
How about a Legacy Cagematch of Crawlers? Look at existing dungeon crawlers that you can easily find (non-KS) and put them together.
Descent 2
Mice & Mystics
Imperial Assault
...
Just to name a few, I am sure you have some in your shelve :)
I'd love that, especially if it included Machina Arcana.
I was really worried that I was going to regret getting Primal and not waiting for MH:W but now I'm glad I went for it. MH:W doesn't look bad but Primal just seems to fit my playstyle more. Despite only having 4 zones to be in the terrain feels more important and tactical in Primal than MH:W. The cards and combo potential of Primal seem more exciting as well to me (getting a big combo in world is also possible but comes with the downtime as your stamina recovers whereas Primal you can pull off another on your next turn). The reaction system of Primal feels more exciting to me as you have more choice in activating them (if you see a red reaction you can just not play a red card and it won't activate) whereas in MH:W you get a rough idea of who the monster will target but you can't stop it.
One thing that sells me most on Primal is they do have a one shot for most (maybe all?) monsters so you can fight them without having to do a campaign. I know MH:W does have arena quests but, and this is the other drawback, there's less monsters so that would get old quicker.
The biggest downside to Primal is the complexity. When I played the demo I realised I was constantly missing rules because there's so much to remember. This is something that gets easier with more playtime but it does mean when playing with someone new it can be a bit overwhelming. MH:W however does seem far more streamlined and quicker to pick up
In the end I think it comes down to how streamlined you want your experience to be (Primal has a steep uphill learning curve compared to MH:W but does have more depth once you get used to it) and how much you're willing to pay (MH:W has less monsters in the box but has a lower cost of entry)
I backed Primal and was going to back MH too but halfway out 2/3s of the way through I as like ok I made the right call with Primal and I'll skip MH. But by the end I was back to getting both. I dont know what too do HAHAHAHA.
Thanks for the info and I love these Cage matches, please do more.
Still watching, but I wanted to comment on Primal’s version of abstracting distance vs Monster Hunters; Primal abstracts the distance for the bow by have a few cards that allows it to target zones that it is not currently in or piercing in general (if a remember correctly). I only played once, but it definitely had that “death by a thousand” discarded cards feel. I am hopeful that the MH Kickstarter reveals more terrain interaction, with the inclusion of Endemic life, like the video game. Great video King! It really helped. 👍🏼
It's too bad the art of MHW sucks, because when it comes to the designs themselves I vastly prefer the weapons/monsters in MHW.
Yes! Starting the weekend off right!
Whew! Thank you so much for that! Monster Hunter does not sound like it's for me. Saved me a bunch of money! Now, bring on Sankokushin!
I believe this is the best positive comparison video I have ever seen. I am very impressed.
That's was excellent!!!!! .. great review .. love the concept of cage match ..
Glad to hear it Nick!
@@TheKingofAverage I'd love this too! I love boss battler video games like MH and Dauntless, and I also love board games, but I somehow managed to go this long without realizing it was an entire genre of board games as well. I knew about Kingdom Death Monster, and... that's it until this MHW kickstarter. A video like this would be super helpful for learning what's out there and what's good!
I really like how you highlight the strengths of each game and how they fit different needs. For me Primal is so much more visually appealing but also way more money than I'm willing to spend on another boss battler haha. I'll probably pick up MWH core or one level above that, the gameplay is a lot more appealing to me.
I wanted you to tell me.if you have back primal you don't need to back monster hunter...damn you for not doing so haha.
My wallet is hiding in the corner asking for me to stop opening it. I may just hold off unless they have very nice stretch goals....ugh the fomo.....
lol best of luck to you! :)
Steamforged stated that they aren't going to do Stretch Goals for this kickstarter and will just do Daily Unlocks that will only be available for the Core and All-In Pledges.
Hopefully the daily unlocks will all be rubbish and not want me to spend my money haha
Good comparison. I think the best reason to get Monster Hunter is if you love the video game and you want to replicate that experience as closely as possible on the table. Since I don't play the video game and just want to play the better board game, I'm going with Primal.
That makes complete sense for you - glad I could help you reach a good decision Steve :)
Considering there are more than 13k following the Kickstarter for MHW:TBG then yes, I'd say there are A LOT of us who are really really excited about it - because we love Monster Hunter XD
Ty. While I would probably like Primal's deeper game play, I'm really in the market for a lighter boss battler with some rpg element, a la crafting. Plus my son is a big MHW video game player. This might get him to the table with me.
you had me at clouds buster sword 😍
If you have a switch I suggest you to buy monster hunter rise and play the great sword ! I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun :)
If you have a pc that can play games I'd recommend MHW. It's often on sale
@@3dreamsequence World is amazing as well but I think Rise is more friendly toward new players.
Thanks for this. I was interested in Primal until I saw the board. While it may have deeper mechanics I happen to like moving around on a board. The other thing I’m worried about is that Steamforged does not have the greatest track record with their games so that’s balancing out my love for the MH IP.
But I will say adding a casual boss battler to my collection might be fun. I’ve already got KDM and Oathsworn will show up at some point. Good to have choices.
Thanks for the cage match, really useful. Backed primal bit was curious about this one but your explanation has helped me to pass and save the money for another day.
Thank you for another great video!
I was thinking one or the other but it seems like both might actually have a place in my collection.
Great review. Primal is the clear winner of the cage for me.
Appreciate your opinion and make some great points. Monster hunter seems more enjoyable and gna go all in on it. Being a fan of MH since it was released on PSP and just watching it on tabletop and watching the different phases just sticks with the core of the game. You got the Town phase to craft and prepare your next hunt. Then the gathering phase to choose if u go straight to the Monster or take different paths and take risk using time or even getting hurt in exchange for gathering loot for crafting, then the hunting phase and reward phase if successful. Can't tell ya how many times I fought a Rathalos for a 3% chance for a rathalos ruby to make that 1 set of gear. I love that part of MH which steamforge seems to capture it really well in the boardgame. Its almost as the gear you want will dictate what Monster to fight next and if u need lower rank armor in order to kill the tougher monsters so u will adjust ur target. I really don't mind eith what u call a downtime. It's part of the strategy. There is a reason that u need to basically use a turn to reset because u did some heavy hits and need to sharpen ur weapon or used to much stamina to doge or attack. The managing of stamina is key, who to take their turn, when to use potions, face tank a hit, or even feint on purpose to clear ur stamina/sharpen a weap so don't use one of ur turns. Just the seeing and feeling of strategically manipulating to a degree where the Monster will attack and go to next is exciting since I'm not really a big fan of the abstract movement in primal. Great comparison. Just wanted to share some reasons y I'm hype about mh. Man didn't mean it to be a long post.
definetely helpful, thanks King!
Another great review seems everyone Online who had both games like primal better... The worst thing is all the things like jumping on monster back it destroying rocks is in the monster hunter video game so why they didn't put it in board game is beyond me. I think out of the two games monster hunter has opportunity to be the better game if they just do some good old fashion copy primal best bits lol... I think they need to ditch some aspects when they are focusing on game and try be more of a board game. I don't want to back it and spend £200 on a board game trying to be a video game when I own the video game. Seems primal focusing more on being a board game and I heard the card game play aspects is really good. I want to get monster hunter as the elder dragon looks sensational but I'm bias I want monster hunter to be better but seem reality is primal is lol.... Well I'm very new to this board game World only found out ppl still play board games recently and it blew my mind with excitement. First game I backed was pursuit of happeninss big box version all in and I brought the game too as Kickstarter come end 2021... Didn't know about boss games till monster hunter came out and I'm annoyed I missed primal Kickstarter. Speaking of pursuit of happeninss did u do a review for that or was that beneath you lol.
Great video! It gave some very detailed insight into both games and I'm very excited to hear they are both so different. Looks like I might have to get both, even though my wallets opinion might not like that
Well "have to" is a strong term :) But you know your situation better than anybody - I just hope I was able to give you more data to help make the right choice, 1 or the other or both is fine by me :)
I really do thank you for these types of reviews, my wallet thanks you, as I think I'm good with townsfolk tussle for my family boss battler :D.
You know what my be interesting is a Last Tales vs a traditional campaign board game like gloomhaven.
Watched this after receiving my copy of Primal; loved the shoutout to Guild Wars 2 😂
Persosnal pick xD Anyway im gonna go with MHW. Im getting Oathsworn and AO:T and i loooove MHW video game :D
Thanks, this confirmed what i expected. Do you think Oathsworn is more similar to Monster Hunter World (all be it much better in my opinion)? I have Oathsworn and Primal pledged so i don't think i will go for MHW
Awesome thanks. I dislike most of the negatives of MHW and don‘t mind any of the negatives of Primal and vice versa with the positives so that’s a very easy decision. And yes I‘m aware you are biased here and it was apparent the whole way though but that‘s fine.
Ah you forgot to highlight the IP aspect sufficiently IMO. There are a lot of die hard Monster Hunter fans out there. I would imagine they don‘t really care about the differences and pick the „official“ one straight away. I had that experience with Bloodborne. I couldn‘t care less how the game plays and whether I‘d like it. It was a must have. Your criticism of the MH art is therefore probably the entire opposite for some folks.
I want to possibly purchase for my currently 10 year old son. It would deliver just in time for his 12th birthday. I think the less weighty game play will benefit him and possibly other friends of his that don’t have any gaming experience. Also, he’s played one of the monster hunter games on a console. Thanks for additional info. Still on the fence though if it’s worth $300. We have a TON of games already but none like this.....
Very good video. Thank you for your honest opinnion. It's very appreciated
Excellent analysis.
Glad you liked it Paicey!
hmm dunno, I'll probably pass on them both. the only MHW playthrough i watched didn't convince me at all and primal still doesn't 100% convince me, but if I reconsider I'll probably pick primal
There ya go, money saved then! :)
Whoa cool comparison i exactly need. May i have your recommendation, which one have more replayability, variety, and got feels like you face a "living" monster?
my problem, is where to buy primal? it was only kickstarter and ebay prices are high
I really like the look and feel of primal, and as a boss battler it sounds like it offers better boss battles. MHW sounds like it might be the better pick for the people I game with. So I guess I’m still on the fence for both.
Will you be doing a review of the zombicide rpg?
There's a lot of work left on monster hunter, I think imma wait until there's more info for monster hunter :)
Only four more days until the Kickstarter goes live!!! \o/
Was worried they'd be too much the same, but this helps cement my choice to get both!
Appreciate how you characterized your opinions. The weight-iness is a huge factor, since I don't have a group that has the time to dig in to something with anything resembling meaty story, MHW it is :)
I think I convinced my wife to let me get MH :) it’ll be my first miniature game for us. And yeah this video helped me decide. Already a big investment money and time-play for a first mini. Don’t want to get even crazier with getting something like primal. 👍
Nice. Shirt. Man.
Thank you! :)
So basically primal is a clone/ripoff?
Now the question is who would win a fight?
Glad I picked Primal, the stamina thing would annoy me to no end.
That's the core of this kind of game though
Agree as soon as i saw the stamina board it looks like its going to get old real quick
Argh... i hate you... now i need them both... i already feared after your Monster Hunter Video but now... another 250€ will be gone 🤷♂️
hah! Well glad I could help you reach a decision at least :)
@@TheKingofAverage my wife doesnt like it 🤷♂️
You make it sound like the environment has no real "character" in the gameplay of MH:W... Additionally, I already knew that Primal had a whole campaign book with it, but I guess I expected SteamForged to reveal one for MH:W too, since literally every MH game in the franchise has been entirely story-driven... But SteamForged has never ceased to disappoint me, and unfortunately MH:W isn't where they seem to be breaking that streak.
Great comparison, you hit all the important aspects, thanks for making it easier to make up my mind!
You are quite welcome! Glad I could help you make the right choice for you :)
Great video, kind of late to the party for the MHW Pledge Manager. Primal is still open however with KDM arrving soon from the painter, do you think there is room for another boss battler if I already have KDM?
Ah so I didn't respond to this - they are very different games so I think you're good there. KDM is a resource grinding boss battler with crafting, research and a story made through each play through like a rogue like game. It is very involved with lots going on and to keep track of.
Primal is a distilled/streamlined version of this in almost every way. No real grinding the same boss many times but still resource gathering and crafting. The map and abilities are simplified as is the research.
I imagine it'll be quite nice to swap between the two to change things up. Don't want to fight the Antelope for the 5th time in KDM? Break out Primal and enjoy a new fight there. Ready to dive deep on the weekend into optimizing your survivor's kit? KDM has your back.
Dear The King of Average, thank you for your video. You really helped me to realise that Primal will work better for me.
I'm really glad I could help! :)
I take both. No other choice. 😅✌️
I want a grind, not worried about story in this type of game. Glad I waited for MH!
That's perfect then!
Or you could like both or NOT LIKE both...
Yeah that's kind of the point, I can see both on the shelf for different purposes :)
I like that we have so much variety in this kind of board game genre, my pick will be Monster Hunter for most of the point you already said PLUS the monster's designs (I like them more than in Primal). Thanks a lot! It's always a pleasure to hear your thoughts.
@23:57 what's funny is while I agree that MHW:TBG's video game art is bad, I also hate Primals art direction and the monster design. Primals is better because because it's not a video game still but just the design.....can't stand it.
I already have Sleeping Gods, and Isofarian Guard is on its way. I just want to do what I do in MHW the video game. I wanna kill monsters. And have ranged attacks actually be ranged attacks. I'm not sad I missed Primal. I am a little sad MHW:TBG's combat will be a little light but that'll probably be fine.
@30:00 Watching further, your point about light not being necessarily bad and will make it easier to get to the table will probably be good for my house. Wasted turns may be a downer, but I'm willing to find out the hard way 😀
Through half old the video... and im kinda happy with my primal all in :D
Glad to hear it Kev!
SFG just announced that aside from some layout work, the game is already finished and will not be making any changes. With your experience with the game and now losing all benefit of the doubt for further development, does that change your opinions towards MHW? Being the game you played is essentially the final product?
I like that Monster hunter world has real ranged attacks(actually makes them feel different in class), I like the board better, I like the crafting concepts more.
I like the art in Primal better and has more in-depth mechanic and some more story. Overall I can't pick one I like more. I wish I could pick and choose to make some amazing baby board game hybrid haha
It funny, KDM totally uses the "MH loot loop" from the MH video game. For me KDM is Monster hunter boss battle inside a demons soul world. A pity they aimed the game with so many plastic. They should do a lite version.
I love those cage fights. espacially this one cause I want only Primal :-) An as it seems, I did everything correct.
But what I missed. What about grinding like in KDM? Do have to fight over and over again one boss to get stuff? In pc games I like this to some degree, but in Boardgames? I hate it. I only want to repeat bosses cause I failed.
What about those two fellas?
Hiya! So... I know this is outside of the two games in question, but does the dragon collection from Tanares compare at all?
Thank you for this, like I said in the MHW video, my son who is 10 has played MHW for two years. It's crazy, he has over 400 hours in that one game and I only let him play 2 days a week for 3 hours a day. I digress, sometimes people like light games not because they LOVE light games but because they like playing a variety of games and , memorizing the rule set of 100+ heavy heavy games is just too much. I'm 100% the rules learner in the family. I would love to play a 4-6 hour beast, but sadly my group is my wife who loves light-med euros, my 10 year old son and my 7 year old son.
Thanks again for another great video. I was going to pass on MHW, but I just noticed that very little from the campaign is KS exclusive, so I'll probably grab it all at retail, which is quite a bit cheaper. Very glad I went all-in with Primal, though.
Great review , i won't go for any of those kick starter and I'll wait the italian localization , just because i'm still a bit confused . I might prefer Primal , I'm not a loot fan , and for what i've seen so far the mechanics are interesting , but at the same time the lightness of MH make it a bit easy to be played by casual players ...I'll let you know . Thanks for your good job
I backed primal at the last minute after all the positive buzz it was getting. My biggest hesitation was that it wasn’t MH and didn’t have the loot system because you’d only fight each monster once but I’m really not looking forward to grind that appears in MHW. Glad I went with Primal.
I figure worst case if I want, after I finish the campaign of primal I’ll just do a end game where I can grind monsters at nausem to craft all the gear I didn’t get to take on the legendary difficulties as if it was Monster Hunter.
Although the winner for you is clear from the start Dark Rituals vs. Conan might be an interesting cage match. Maybe vs. Batman Gotham Chronicles also.
Thanks to your video I was able to drop my pledge on Primal just in time... I need some lighter games in my shelf, so I'm going for MH. Great job!
I'd like to see a comparison b/w VS System 2PCG and Ashes Rise of the Phoenixborn/Reborn. Both are head to head card games with the LCG format (so no blind boosters).
Or I'd like to see Power Rangers Heroes of the Grid vs Marvel United. Both have miniatures and are hero and card driven with essentially a timer to defeat the chosen boss before it's too late.
Too many similar looking winged dragons. Primals have a broader imagination in sculpting.
Primal is definately the game for me, but I will have to get MHW simply because of the IP.
I'm new to the fantasy board games especially battle boss board games. I love Monster Hunter genre so that is a definite buy for me. Primal sounds cool so I am open to getting both in the future. Do they come out the same day though?
Great Cage Match since a lot of gamers are on the fence whether they need both games. I went all in on Primal and was planning on getting 3d piece representations for all terrain effects. That will definitely enchanced Primal even more. Just visualize the plateau or sand terrain etc....it will be awesome.
I'm curious how the oathsworn boss battling compares to MHW.
As I backed Primal and am wondering about getting MH too, is one of the two better for solo play?
I wish primal had a standee version
double standee if that's the case. Since it rotates so much you'd be looking at the side of some cardboard unless it was two pieces like trees and stuff are in games.
Great video man! Just what I needed. I'm leaning towards Primal.
Primal all the way for me because if the depths of the mechanics and the beautiful art!
I got them both and no one to play with LOL
:( Hopefully once COVID relents a bit that'll change!
I hope Monster hunter wins cause Primal outpriced me
MH will be way more expensive if you want to have some variety in the monsters you can fight. The basegame comes with very few bosses for a "boss battler".
It was 70$ for 4 bosses or 140$ for 8 (so 70$ for 4 more bosses) or 17,5$ per Boss. Primal was 170$ for 17 bosses so 10$ per boss.
@@aerouge4492 We'll see how it turns out with SGs, if it ends up being more expensive I'll just pass on that one too.
@@aerouge4492 o was looking this at the moment. The all in for primal give you 18 monsters. MH all in can give you potentialy 12.
And MH have too fucking many winged deagon like monsters... o wish Primal had MH board insted.. jesus this is anoying. O need those two games to get together and have a son
I backed both so sorted
hah! Take that :D
I think I want both of these, but my wallet and shelves do not.
Were you hungry when you filmed? ;)
I backed Primal, I’m not backing MHW, and this video supports that choice for me (Luckily!). I did just back Lasting Tales at the legendary level, however, so I’m hoping there’s nothing else in awhile now 😂 Great video, thanks! 👍
I know you mentioned that the looting system is better in Monster Hunter, but I would like to hear you on the gear systems of each.
From what I can tell, Primal gears was feeling pretty unique and was kind of giving you a play style to your hunter (not counting the mastery here). How is it in Monster Hunter? Would like to hear on it XD
Btw, I love these Cage match and would love to hear you about Super Fantasy Brawl against other skirmish games.
Thanks for the video!
I love the SFB cage match idea. I don’t know of too many that can fight in that specific niche vs God Tear (though it’s hard to recommend that one).
Primal looks cool but it also looks very complicated from the play through videos I’ve seen. Can pretty much guarantee I won’t play it right and will be constantly missing different game mechanics bouncing off each other. Think I might late pledge MHW. Appreciate the breakdown of both though, very helpful!
Sounds perfect! Yeah Primal is definitely more advanced.
*Have backed both*
Wallet: Ohhh nooooo
If MHW is that much lighter in combat, then I can't see how it qualifies as a boss battler. Btw, the cage match series are absolutely some of your best. It is because of your AT:O vs. Oathsworn cage match that I decided to go BOTH. LOL. Looking forward to more!
haha sounds like one cost you more and the other might have saved you some :D
Yeah the "advanced AI" part is completely gone out of this one as this doesn't really react to you or your actions in any meaningful way. It just does it's thing and you react to that instead.
At it's heart, this is a gear grind loot driven game.
Wait, so the game that has a giant board doesn't have terrain effects, but the game with the small, abstract board does?
Yeah agree the gameplay of MH is really disappointing from what ive seen and im a big MHW player possibly my most played video game of the last year but im glad i went all in on Primal because it fits my love of the video game more
Soooooooo more important than anything else. Where did you get that shirt? It's amazing. Also, I noticed on this video you had the CC option. Thank you so much for adding that in. It was incredibly helpful.
Way cool shirt indeed! I grabbed it from: www.onceuponatee.net/?ref=5db087d0b8885
I have a discount code there so if you end up grabbing it use the code KingOfAverage to save some :)
And you're welcome! :D
For anyone who doesn't know you can actually test out Primal on Tabletop Simulator. Highly recommend before you make your choice as it sold primal all in for me!
oh yeah that's super helpful!
Hi, this is the first of your videos i watch, it was really informative and helpful! Tip the scales for me! Thank you and keep up the good work.
Welcome Georgi! So glad you found the video helpful - thank you for letting me know!
I wonder how the end game works, I only saw there will be a 25 day counter ? But what happened after 25 days?
Yeah so there's no real "end game" like there is in the game really. Just an overall campaign timer. If you reach day 26 and still didn't "beat" the campaign then game over, start again.
You can change the days as you wish for harder or easier times.
I'm definitely debating getting both, then swapping in and out the miniatures and game systems I want from either. my wallet is hating me right now....
Same, hard justifying it when I'm not even getting it for almost a year. But geronimo!
Nice comparison, I'm all in on primal. Are you working on a Wild Assent review?
If you mean playing wild assent more to review it then yes, along with many other games >.
Hmm. 17 years. Could swear someone in the comments of the last video mentioned 17 years :P
Took their word for it too :D