Checking back on Kryptonite’s website, I see that the company history has been revised to include Stan. www.kryptonitelock.com/en/company-history/company-history.html
Strange they left him out for a long while. Have you seen any of the original 200 locks made by Stan out in lockverse? They would be very cool to have.
U-Bolt" getting weaker.....weaker.....okay okay I'l talk!!! dammit! ugh Lockpick Lawyer: where's the money? and I want the bike see..... U-Bolt: the money's over there and here take the bike too......
Happens all the time in history. Good example is everyone gives animation credit to Walt Disney, when actually Walt stopped animating very early. Almost all of the early day animation was made by a man named Ub Iwerks, but very few know his name. Disney got famous simply because he was a strong personality/businessman like the man in LPL's story who advertised the lock. History favors the bold and extroverted personalities, while humble and quiet types get written out of the history books. Sad, but true.
It's a testament to your skill that you are still able to pick these locks quickly while having to do it in such a way that allows for the camera to get a great view. Thanks for sharing.
@@lockpickinglawyer my favourite part of this was the history lesson and correcting the record. You did a damn fine thing there. Damn fine. Nice detective work to...finding that patent. Most people wouldn't bother but you made a point of going the extra mile. Huzzah!!
@@ApplepieFTW The materials, and the machinery or processes required to make quality bike frames make them significantly more expensive than a couple bike wheels.
I can't quite understand how I started watching your videos as I'm not into locks and especially not lock picking. I think your videos are excellent... like a reference/model for how to be a UA-camr on a given subject. I am looking to improve my security at home so will probably pay closer attention to the content too.
I kinda feel the same, I never was really into lock picking, but his videos at least for me are very enlightening and entertaining and he provides it in such a straightforward and sometimes humorous fashion. I'm so use to most youtubers being fowl mouths and annoying pukes but this man is just legitimate about his hobby. I think that's why I come back because this guy is just doing what he loves and remains professional the entire time. Also who doesnt love a bit of history?
I just come here to find out if I should buy the lock I wanted to buy is worth it.
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Same here. The recommendation just popped up and I have been watching since. I think that beyond the lock picking, which is fantastic, it speaks to me in the sense that there are always workarounds for everything, even when you find a door secured by a lock, there is a way to open it.
The lock and the frame were still there. But if the bike had not been watched, the pedals, wheels, chain, gears, brakes, handlebars, kickstand, and seat would have been long gone.
I wonder how long that would last these days. Not overnight for sure; these days cordless angle grinders are a thing, and nobody does anything about someone stealing a bike.
Their website's history page (ad hoc) does include Stan's contribution to being the foundation to what the company started. I wonder if your video was a catalyst to that change...
it's on their Wikipedia page as well, so perhaps it push them to mention his name. Sometimes companies don't like doing this for legal reasons, as families will sue and claim their relative was not paid enough.
As of today (March 16, 2022), Stan is mentioned on only one of the company's two nearly-identical history pages. The "History" page linked in the three-bar menu includes the part about Stan in the "1971" section, but it completely omits the "2015" section of the timeline. The "Our History" page linked in the page footer does not include Stan, but it does include the "2015" section of the timeline (which mentions the "Gravity Line" WheelNutz and WheelBoltz products).
@@TheAnonyy "he is mention at the the very top on the history page section named beginning" - I know that. I explicitly stated that he is mentioned on ONE of the two nearly-identical history pages. Go back to that page, scroll down to the bottom, click the "Our History" link, and notice that everything I said is still true -- THAT page is different than the "History" page linked in the three-bar menu and Stan's name is NOT listed on that "Our History" page.
So about a month ago (August, 2020), I posted this video to Reddit's Today I Learned subreddit, talking about Zane saying he invented the U-Lock. This morning (9/24), a marketing person from Kryptonite commented on the post, thanking me for the info and saying that they have corrected the company history page -- and they have! Props to the Kryptonite marketing guys.
There are two company history links on the Kryptonite home page. The one at the top, in the hamburger menu, goes to the corrected text. The "Our History" link at the bottom of the page at this writing goes to the old, incorrect version.
Glen Slick You are right , as LPL said "revisionist history". Elon Musk did the same thing. After kicking them to the curb, he erased Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, (the actual founders) from Tesla Motors history! I'm also sure governments do it ... ALL THE TIME!
I think it's pretty obvious that I enjoy picking videos but one thing that I really enjoy about your videos especially, is the history lesson you give on most locks. Thanks for all your work LPL. I know there is a good bit of research that goes into a lot of these videos.
It is possible, but at some point you have to realize that the material and box become the limiting factor. The keys many cars use nowdays are unpickable because they mix digital and mechanical locks, but that is cheating imo. If you count digital locks, there are plenty of practically unbreakable systems, but something like a diamond drill bit or grinding wheel really doesn't care how good your lock is.
Amir Abudubai Digital locks may be unpickable physically, but what about when someone reverse engineers its technology and creates devices that trick them? Would that count?
I remember being told back in the late 70's/early 80's that someone had figured out that you could open almost any tubular lock (from the time) by jamming the end of the plastic tube that made up the body of a Bic stick pen and twisting it back and forth until it opened. Seems the diameters were about the same and the plastic would deform to fit the pins.
That was common when I was in college. Plain white Bic pens, the cylindrical ones that are basically everywhere, would deform just enough that you could pop the lock. I knew someone who did so on a Coke machine in about 2003.
I lived in NYC when these locks came out and they revolutionized bicycle security. The flat steel construction meant that hack sawing was the only to go, and that took too long for most bicycle thieves. The padlock looks identical to another New Jersey lock from Dynation. Great video as always.
Hi Harry, Very interesting lock, and well researched as usual.You mentioned the original after a month had bolt cutter marks but not a successful opening. Most "U" locks today are made from round hardened stock, and bolt cutters can and do "explode" through them due to max pressure on two tiny surfaces. The wide hardened surface of the original - perhaps if it was a little thicker - would be more resistant to bolt cutters. With the pressure of the bolt cutter jaws spread over a wider area, the jaws would have to attempt to "nibble" at the hardened flat surface to effect an opening. An angle grinder would take longer also. While not as "pretty" as the modern "U" lock, perhaps the hardened flat bar stock would be more effective. Regards, Brian.
HELLO HAROLD (i just find it funny you seem to know him somehow and just use his real name. people often don't want to reveal their real names on youtube, you know.)
Why is that? I'm Mark...it's not hard to figure out...LOL There is a Motovlogger that won't even show his face, I been told by others it's really so his wife doesn't know he has a UA-cam channel as she thinks it's pretty stupid...LOL I figure if you are going to do videos, you got to expect people to figure out who you are.
As for the lock, I agree flat seems to be the better way to go. Go with a thicker flat hardened bar and a better lock on the end and it would be pretty good. Then again if someone wants something they will just take it. Best insurance is to have insurance.
Sure, I don't think hes exactly trying to stay completely hidden, but would prefer not to show his face or his name if possible. If his real identity was exposed i dont think it would be a big deal since he's not doing anything bad, but just for privacy's sake, I guess.
I can't think of a single legitimate reason why would he even want to hide his name and face. It's probably down to his personal preference and nothing more.
Only if you completely ignore that Steve Wozniak is super famous for helping build Apple and has his signature inside some of the historic machines from that company and is still mentioned by Apple's own corporate history... sure, why not.
Hey I gotta say I love your videos man. I find it really cool that you always hold what you're picking like you're in the field. Or pick with picks current of the time the locks were made. A+ you get me really hyped to pick locks
I loved the marketing story about Zane's tactics. I will ne sure to use it the essay that's I have due next week for my marketing class! Your videos are thoroughly entertaining and knowledgeable. Much respect.
This channel shows that any topic can be interesting to watch if it is well explained for people like me that just crossed your channel and subscribed. For those who are watching this channel with less honorable intentions i think the fbi is matching who watches this video and the cases of robbery cases with unlocked locks in your area. 😂😂🍺👍🏼
Absolutely fascinating story and fantastic picking as always LPL. And yes, I bet when that thing came around it was top of the line and probably considered “pick proof”... Heck, I think its still better than most on the market today. Thank you so much for sharing this
I work for bicycle food delivery company and I know many of my colleagues will be very interested in your video. Always something new to learn. Thank you very much for sharing such a wonderful knowledge. 👍👍👍👍👍
i love your videos. you give me ""chef john" from "food wishes" videos vibes (voice tone and narration styles) but of, evidently, entirely different subjects. Equally interesting! Love these, thanks!
Nice video....Bump keys were around in the 40's I think,. maybe the reason why the bike last so long was a lack of Internet. The amount of information good and bad transfer over the internet is amazing.
Wow, pretty shitty of the company not to give the real History. However I have seen that with a family Hardware chain where my Great uncle was one of 5 brothers that started it but sadly near the end before being sold to ACE Hardware they only ever acting like just one started the company. It always made my Grandmother mad because it was really the work of some of the other brothers that made it into a Multi-Million dollar company they all just died from old age and accidents...not that I dislike my great uncle he treated me very well in the generous cash gifts. I suspect this is the case with a lot of companies.
Meeker Extreme there is a large chain of restaurants in B.C. called white spot. They credit Nat Bailey as the creator, but my great grandfather was actually a co-founder and is only credited in one or two books about the restaurants history
Maybe... but most vintage lock stories suck. Most go like this: Person A thought he invented the perfect lock. He started a company and made the lock. No one bought it. Person A’s company went out of business. The end.
I'm curious what shape the bait bike was in after the "stunt". Oh, my bolt cutters ain't gonna get me that bike? Well, lemme get everything else on this thing. These cables and spokes are mine, half the brake grips are mine. Lets take what we can of these brake calipers.
"In 1972, a New York bike shop contracted to put the lock to the ultimate test, a Greenwich Village signpost. Though removable parts of the bike were stripped, the lock and bike were still in place after thirty days." www.sheldonbrown.com/kryptonite.html
Amazing video! Love your vids. If possible, could you put the Seatylock through your picking, and ramset, and nutsplitter tests? I have one and really want to know what vulnerabilities I'm working with.
slightly thicker harder metal and a nicer padlock and its golden. i like the idea that i can use my own padlock and skip the chain. bikes tend to get stripped down to the frame these days when left untended for extended periods of time. but thats another issue
As I recall, the spring steel they used was fairly easy to break if you got it cold with some liquid nitrogen. Apparently, some thieves even started carrying thermoses of the stuff because it was the quickest way in.
U-Locks: Can you please show us the “BIC pen trick” that worked with cylindrical shaped locks circa 1999? And, how about the use of pipes, mini-hydraulic jacks, and Freon as lock-opening techniques? I love your channel and watch it all the time. Thx for your videos & insights.
I'm a mechanic and ever since I found this channel wondered how hard it is to pick these circular locks like the ones on my toolboxes. Turns out, not that hard
That’s an ingenious system and I’ve never before heard about this lock. I love those links LPL gives us. They make everything much easier. I am really interested in old US patents so must take a look.
That's the point, too. No lock is really "Pick Proof" or there'd be no key - you'd seal a hole with molten metal then hack away for a while with a super loud abrasion cutter - legal documents in hand when hopefully the Fuzz asks you what you are doing. But - someone doing THAT to a lock - that took a lot longer than a standard key even with the right tools and skills. Well a Crack addict/Meth Head is going to have a hard time. They tend to run with bolt cutters, snip the chain or padlock, run off. And that's how it works, a deterrent. If THIS guy wanted to use his skills to make extra-legal money he'd be cracking a safe in a Billionaire's mansion.. But again, he's a lawyer and if anywhere near as good a Lawyer at his hobby, the Billionaire pays HIM more than he'd likely gain to like help prevent his Son from facing real jail time when he walks around with his Frat buddies and lighter fluid and burns bums. I think he's great for showing us how easy most of the locks are to pick. The criminals already knew most of them.
I doubt many people would actually raise more than an eyebrow if you went to town on a lock with a hacksaw in public. Having walked through the city with bolt cutters for a friend's cable-lock (lost key) didn't attract any weird stares for me, at least. Unless there's like, actual police right in front of you, I think few people will weigh a stranger's bike higher than potential embarrassment (or even bodily harm) to themselves.
using the tubular lock pick from other videos, this would be a 4 second open time and not look like any more than someone fumbling a bit with their sticky bike lock.
I checked the history of Kryptonite's history page at various times using Archive.org's Wayback Machine and it appears that at no point did it mention Stan. Revisionist history is correct and has been going on for at least four and a half years (the oldest record the Wayback Machine has for the history page is from November 2014).
About the bike, I’ve seen so many different pictures, that I don’t know what to believe. Many of the pictures out there supposedly showing the bike are re-creations.
Wesley Chen Hmm I don’t think that’s totally accurate. He might play with it before hand but I doubt it’s to learn the lock to be faster. He has other videos where it’s first look and he’s just as fast.
@@wesleychen4408 thats not really a true statement. Do you think that those thieves that pick locks don't practice? They all practice and that allows them to pick a lot of locks that they have not even seen.
@@cplcabs This kind of proficiency in lock picking takes years of dedication and practice plus research for the particular lock you're picking-a bolt cutter just an investment of a few bucks. Guess which road a bike thief chooses to earn single digit monies per bike. ;)
@@willguggn2 I know a guy who trains locksmiths to pick. It really doesn't take years of practice to get really good at picking most common locks fast. You would be amazed how far the average person can get in a few weeks of intense practice. LPL's expertise is another level entirely though.
It had seven pins. SEVEN! Try and find anything like that sold retail these days. Of course, he could have opened it faster with a BIC pen. But that exploit wasn't known yet, back when these were new.
honestly it took considerably longer to pick than “good enough for the streets” ...which is an A tier lock...so i have to believe that this one is a S tier lock right?
They changed it on their website and have stated that their earlier version was erroneous due to being overly shortened, not because they wanted to erase Stan's early participation. Stan invented the lock, but Zane did basically create the company as it is now. www.kryptonitelock.com/en/company-history/company-history.html
I find that odd that no one could cut through it with bolt cutters in the early 70's? Were they only given one chance? I mean, was there not a pair of bolt cutters in the early 70's that could cut something like that? It just doesn't seem right to me.
The wide flat surface is great for bolt cutters... almost ideal because it spreads the force out over a wide area and effectively reduces the force to a fraction of what it could apply to a round shackle.
Generally bolt cutters don't really "cut" through locks, they kinda crush them until they explode apart. With as flat as the bar is, there is very little to crush. A hacksaw would have a difficult time as well, being a wide flat piece of hardened spring steel. Nobody had a battery operated angle grinder back then, so the best bet would be to soften the steel with a propane torch and then hacksaw through. That would take a bit of time and I doubt most bike thieves carried the tools beyond a set of bolt cutters and/or a hacksaw.
*Just take the white, plastic body(cylinder) of a disposable bic ink pen, put it in the round keyway and turn.* That will unlock all OG Kryptonite locks. No joke.
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Checking back on Kryptonite’s website, I see that the company history has been revised to include Stan.
www.kryptonitelock.com/en/company-history/company-history.html
Strange they left him out for a long while. Have you seen any of the original 200 locks made by Stan out in lockverse? They would be very cool to have.
It wasn't much of a mention, and it didn't take much effort on their part, BUT ... I'll give them some respect for doing the right thing.
The power of youtube!
Thank you for bringing up Kryptonite's original failing. It is helping to right a wrong.
Not the first time your videos lead to revisions on company websites... That body builder aluminium cutter video was privated.
Superman’s weakness? Kryptonite
Kryptonite’s weakness? The Lockpicking Lawyer
By that logic, Lockpicking Lawyer must be Superman’s weakness!
The Lockpicking Lawyer's weekness? His wife
@@strigon012 This woman should be terrifying.
@@GeneralRed Maybe it's like Rock Paper Scissors and Superman is the Lock Picking Lawyer's weakness.
U-Bolt" getting weaker.....weaker.....okay okay I'l talk!!! dammit! ugh
Lockpick Lawyer: where's the money? and I want the bike see.....
U-Bolt: the money's over there and here take the bike too......
really depressing the man who made the product was deleted from the history of it.
Has happened heaps in history
When I erase someone from history "they" call it Murder. When they erase someone from history "they" call it executing the contract.
wharf in ships clothing [[ROCK] PAPER] scissors oy vey
@@oldtimetinfoilhatwearer supoib
Happens all the time in history. Good example is everyone gives animation credit to Walt Disney, when actually Walt stopped animating very early. Almost all of the early day animation was made by a man named Ub Iwerks, but very few know his name. Disney got famous simply because he was a strong personality/businessman like the man in LPL's story who advertised the lock. History favors the bold and extroverted personalities, while humble and quiet types get written out of the history books. Sad, but true.
It's a testament to your skill that you are still able to pick these locks quickly while having to do it in such a way that allows for the camera to get a great view. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks... some of these locks are, indeed, in very awkward positions when picking. Though that probably makes it more realistic.
@@lockpickinglawyer my favourite part of this was the history lesson and correcting the record. You did a damn fine thing there. Damn fine. Nice detective work to...finding that patent. Most people wouldn't bother but you made a point of going the extra mile. Huzzah!!
@@lockpickinglawyer More so, but not by much. It’d need to be locked to something and you’d need to use a paperclip or something.
You failed to mention that thieves still removed all removable parts from the bike and left a frame attached to the lock 😂
Unique SP how are two wheels not more expensive (especially with a hub gear)
Unique SP well good thing they can’t take the frame then hahaha
@@ApplepieFTW The materials, and the machinery or processes required to make quality bike frames make them significantly more expensive than a couple bike wheels.
Guys, stop replying, he is just trolling for laughs
BigTexFyre he asked an honest question. Not all of us are experts on the price of a bike.
I can't quite understand how I started watching your videos as I'm not into locks and especially not lock picking. I think your videos are excellent... like a reference/model for how to be a UA-camr on a given subject. I am looking to improve my security at home so will probably pay closer attention to the content too.
I kinda feel the same, I never was really into lock picking, but his videos at least for me are very enlightening and entertaining and he provides it in such a straightforward and sometimes humorous fashion. I'm so use to most youtubers being fowl mouths and annoying pukes but this man is just legitimate about his hobby. I think that's why I come back because this guy is just doing what he loves and remains professional the entire time. Also who doesnt love a bit of history?
Same here. But now there's a lock picking set under way, which may help me with missing keys on campsites. If I study hard.
I just come here to find out if I should buy the lock I wanted to buy is worth it.
Same here. The recommendation just popped up and I have been watching since. I think that beyond the lock picking, which is fantastic, it speaks to me in the sense that there are always workarounds for everything, even when you find a door secured by a lock, there is a way to open it.
No one actually knows how we ended subscribing to LPL, but we are...
"30 days, and 23 bolt cutter marks later..."
No wonder why they got popular.
The lock and the frame were still there. But if the bike had not been watched, the pedals, wheels, chain, gears, brakes, handlebars, kickstand, and seat would have been long gone.
Apparently some of the things were stolen like the wheels. But the lock itself was still firmly intact.
Wow, Sheldon Brown, there's a name from the past. RIP.
I wonder how long that would last these days. Not overnight for sure; these days cordless angle grinders are a thing, and nobody does anything about someone stealing a bike.
@David Daivdson
Tbh the best solution is to use 2 locks and just get bike theft insurance.
Their website's history page (ad hoc) does include Stan's contribution to being the foundation to what the company started. I wonder if your video was a catalyst to that change...
it's on their Wikipedia page as well, so perhaps it push them to mention his name. Sometimes companies don't like doing this for legal reasons, as families will sue and claim their relative was not paid enough.
As of today (March 16, 2022), Stan is mentioned on only one of the company's two nearly-identical history pages. The "History" page linked in the three-bar menu includes the part about Stan in the "1971" section, but it completely omits the "2015" section of the timeline. The "Our History" page linked in the page footer does not include Stan, but it does include the "2015" section of the timeline (which mentions the "Gravity Line" WheelNutz and WheelBoltz products).
@@nomore6167 he is mention at the the very top on the history page section named beginning
@@TheAnonyy "he is mention at the the very top on the history page section named beginning" - I know that. I explicitly stated that he is mentioned on ONE of the two nearly-identical history pages. Go back to that page, scroll down to the bottom, click the "Our History" link, and notice that everything I said is still true -- THAT page is different than the "History" page linked in the three-bar menu and Stan's name is NOT listed on that "Our History" page.
Bro its like word for word what he said
So about a month ago (August, 2020), I posted this video to Reddit's Today I Learned subreddit, talking about Zane saying he invented the U-Lock. This morning (9/24), a marketing person from Kryptonite commented on the post, thanking me for the info and saying that they have corrected the company history page -- and they have! Props to the Kryptonite marketing guys.
There are two company history links on the Kryptonite home page. The one at the top, in the hamburger menu, goes to the corrected text. The "Our History" link at the bottom of the page at this writing goes to the old, incorrect version.
History belongs to the victors, or something like that.
I guess... still sucks for Stan.
Glen Slick You are right , as LPL said "revisionist history". Elon Musk did the same thing. After kicking them to the curb, he erased Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, (the actual founders) from Tesla Motors history! I'm also sure governments do it ... ALL THE TIME!
#WorshipStan
And the spoils always go to a guy named Victor 🤣
Like Disney vs the creators of Kimba
@@BlueBird-wb6kb disney ruined star wars. ill never forgive them for that
70’s reporters: So many people have tried to steal this bike but nobody can break it!
LPL: “Click out of 1....”
Well it wasn't broken tho ahahha
80's thieves: Want to buy some wheels, pedals, a seat and handlebars?
@@VoltisArt Lmao
The one thing I can say is that it's lock which is literally 50 years old took longer to pick than most brand new Master locks
Nice history lesson on Kryptonite. Interesting design.
Thanks.
@@lockpickinglawyer hi there
@@sinpi314 hi
I think it's pretty obvious that I enjoy picking videos but one thing that I really enjoy about your videos especially, is the history lesson you give on most locks. Thanks for all your work LPL. I know there is a good bit of research that goes into a lot of these videos.
Thanks.
@@lockpickinglawyer I love the history lessons about the locks. Thanks!
I'm starting to wonder if anything is truly unpickable
It is possible, but at some point you have to realize that the material and box become the limiting factor. The keys many cars use nowdays are unpickable because they mix digital and mechanical locks, but that is cheating imo. If you count digital locks, there are plenty of practically unbreakable systems, but something like a diamond drill bit or grinding wheel really doesn't care how good your lock is.
Amir Abudubai
Digital locks may be unpickable physically, but what about when someone reverse engineers its technology and creates devices that trick them? Would that count?
Literally everything that isn't a lock is unpickable
a weld
An inanimate object simply can't stop a person. It's just a matter of how much time and effort they want to invest.
It's like watching a dentist work.
You must be thinking of rapidly raking a pick across multiple teeth
Except the only one who feels pain is the manufacturers.
he sounds like the eye doctor when they flip the lenses and ask if 1 is better, or 2 lol
Eye doctor 😂😂😂
Cole Diecidue that’s hilarious. Now that’s all I’m going to think about while watching these videos
My eye doctor visits will never be the same again 😂
@@MetalMilitia072583 two feels set.. Lol
@MyOwnDesign Ah yes, improving your vision for the things that matter.
I remember being told back in the late 70's/early 80's that someone had figured out that you could open almost any tubular lock (from the time) by jamming the end of the plastic tube that made up the body of a Bic stick pen and twisting it back and forth until it opened. Seems the diameters were about the same and the plastic would deform to fit the pins.
That was common when I was in college. Plain white Bic pens, the cylindrical ones that are basically everywhere, would deform just enough that you could pop the lock. I knew someone who did so on a Coke machine in about 2003.
I just realized his dialogue reminds me of the dentist. He goes around to each tooth and says "1 is good, 2 is good, bleed on 3" etc.
Are they the same person actually?
Because of this channel I now weld the frame of my bike to a post everytime a leave it in the street.
Post owner may try to get you arrested for vandalism though.
this is a very interesting channel, never thought i would look at a lock documentary series. Great Job!
I lived in NYC when these locks came out and they revolutionized bicycle security. The flat steel construction meant that hack sawing was the only to go, and that took too long for most bicycle thieves. The padlock looks identical to another New Jersey lock from Dynation. Great video as always.
This is possibly the slowest I've seen LPL pick a lock, what a great testament on how good these locks where back in their day
Hi Harry, Very interesting lock, and well researched as usual.You mentioned the original after a month had bolt cutter marks but not a successful opening. Most "U" locks today are made from round hardened stock, and bolt cutters can and do "explode" through them due to max pressure on two tiny surfaces. The wide hardened surface of the original - perhaps if it was a little thicker - would be more resistant to bolt cutters. With the pressure of the bolt cutter jaws spread over a wider area, the jaws would have to attempt to "nibble" at the hardened flat surface to effect an opening. An angle grinder would take longer also. While not as "pretty" as the modern "U" lock, perhaps the hardened flat bar stock would be more effective. Regards, Brian.
HELLO HAROLD
(i just find it funny you seem to know him somehow and just use his real name. people often don't want to reveal their real names on youtube, you know.)
Why is that? I'm Mark...it's not hard to figure out...LOL There is a Motovlogger that won't even show his face, I been told by others it's really so his wife doesn't know he has a UA-cam channel as she thinks it's pretty stupid...LOL
I figure if you are going to do videos, you got to expect people to figure out who you are.
As for the lock, I agree flat seems to be the better way to go. Go with a thicker flat hardened bar and a better lock on the end and it would be pretty good. Then again if someone wants something they will just take it. Best insurance is to have insurance.
Sure, I don't think hes exactly trying to stay completely hidden, but would prefer not to show his face or his name if possible. If his real identity was exposed i dont think it would be a big deal since he's not doing anything bad, but just for privacy's sake, I guess.
I can't think of a single legitimate reason why would he even want to hide his name and face.
It's probably down to his personal preference and nothing more.
I just want to say I’m glad I found your channel very informative and the way you present is spot on love the calm collective voice
So Stan Kaplan is like Kryptonite's Steve Wozniak...
Yeah nobody remembers Wozniak...
Or McDonald's McDonald brothers.
Only if you completely ignore that Steve Wozniak is super famous for helping build Apple and has his signature inside some of the historic machines from that company and is still mentioned by Apple's own corporate history... sure, why not.
What this guy ^^^^ said.
Woz, my man. Hope he still has his Nixie Watch!
I just love how every time he says not sure what’s holding us up the very next pin clicks and lock opens lol 😂
Wholesome video , no ads , peaceful voice - beautiful channel
Why am I enjoying 50 y/o lock history stories so much? :D super interesting and always love the LPL's clear and truthful perspective.
Hey I gotta say I love your videos man. I find it really cool that you always hold what you're picking like you're in the field. Or pick with picks current of the time the locks were made. A+ you get me really hyped to pick locks
Thank you.
I heard, "The inventor got screwed so I'm going to pick the hell out of this!"
Ive never attempted to pick a lock or even thought about picking a lock but i still watch all your videos!! Great content!! thanks
I loved the marketing story about Zane's tactics. I will ne sure to use it the essay that's I have due next week for my marketing class! Your videos are thoroughly entertaining and knowledgeable. Much respect.
This channel shows that any topic can be interesting to watch if it is well explained for people like me that just crossed your channel and subscribed. For those who are watching this channel with less honorable intentions i think the fbi is matching who watches this video and the cases of robbery cases with unlocked locks in your area. 😂😂🍺👍🏼
Absolutely fascinating story and fantastic picking as always LPL. And yes, I bet when that thing came around it was top of the line and probably considered “pick proof”... Heck, I think its still better than most on the market today. Thank you so much for sharing this
Thanks.
so happy i subbed to your channel.. old video catching up... so much content!! Happy days. be well LPL
This video came out on my 20th birthday and the awesome history lesson got you another sub and a like! Awesome channel!
Wow LPL,great explanations love the history. 🌟⭐🌟⭐🌟😎
Just checked the Kryptonite website and to be fair to them they now seemed to have accurately updated the history.
this kind of videos are the reason why I love this channel
I work for bicycle food delivery company and I know many of my colleagues will be very interested in your video. Always something new to learn. Thank you very much for sharing such a wonderful knowledge. 👍👍👍👍👍
Still better than any modern *cable lock for the same price.*
This is a proof that behind every success story, there's something to hide behind the curtains.
i love your videos. you give me ""chef john" from "food wishes" videos vibes (voice tone and narration styles) but of, evidently, entirely different subjects. Equally interesting! Love these, thanks!
Watching these videos high as balls is a JOURNEY and I LOVE IT
"A five minute video from LockPickingLawyer... he must have found a worthy lock" Nevermind....
I think it's really good, considering it's from the 70s
Nice video....Bump keys were around in the 40's I think,. maybe the reason why the bike last so long was a lack of Internet. The amount of information good and bad transfer over the internet is amazing.
Super Awesome… these videos cause me to take it easy prior to bed.
Great job picking as always brother and thanks for the review and history to this one
Wow, pretty shitty of the company not to give the real History. However I have seen that with a family Hardware chain where my Great uncle was one of 5 brothers that started it but sadly near the end before being sold to ACE Hardware they only ever acting like just one started the company. It always made my Grandmother mad because it was really the work of some of the other brothers that made it into a Multi-Million dollar company they all just died from old age and accidents...not that I dislike my great uncle he treated me very well in the generous cash gifts. I suspect this is the case with a lot of companies.
Interestingly, the company is now owned by Allegion, a spin-off from Ingersoll-Rand. No reason for this type of nonsense anymore.
Just like Ray Kroc claiming to have 'founded' Mcdonald's.
Meeker Extreme there is a large chain of restaurants in B.C. called white spot. They credit Nat Bailey as the creator, but my great grandfather was actually a co-founder and is only credited in one or two books about the restaurants history
Somebody ought to hack the site and change that.
Hell, it was the case for my hometown.
Yay to this vid! Maybe we can have one vid a week for history & back story, for all your LOCK GEEK FANS?
Maybe... but most vintage lock stories suck. Most go like this:
Person A thought he invented the perfect lock. He started a company and made the lock. No one bought it. Person A’s company went out of business. The end.
@@lockpickinglawyer how many of those were really excellent locks which would have made it if merit were a reliable predictor of sales?
I love that this nearly 40 year old tubular lock still put up more resistance than many of the modern locks i have seen you disassemble in seconds
Out of respect he picked it the old-fashioned way instead of bic-penning it, because in the day, nobody knew that exploit yet.
Adding that history lesson made this your best video! Great videos with K2 and K3. I could only wish you could edit some pictures when you narrate.
I'm curious what shape the bait bike was in after the "stunt". Oh, my bolt cutters ain't gonna get me that bike? Well, lemme get everything else on this thing. These cables and spokes are mine, half the brake grips are mine. Lets take what we can of these brake calipers.
Matthew Trzcinski thats what wiki says happened. The frame remained but all removable parts were GONE.
metamorphicorder The official Kryptonite history page says the same thing.
"In 1972, a New York bike shop contracted to put the lock to the ultimate test, a Greenwich Village signpost. Though removable parts of the bike were stripped, the lock and bike were still in place after thirty days." www.sheldonbrown.com/kryptonite.html
"And, as always, ..." I feel really good after watching this video.
Thank you. The lock picking is fun and interesting. Adding the snippet of history makes it great.
new to your channel I find your videos fascinating Thanks :-)
Great history lesson.
I would love to have a U lock like that. With my own Padlock, my security rating wouldn’t be dependent upon a bad core.
Thank you for the history lesson. That was precious.
Great video and it was great to have a history lesson as well as a pick !
You gotta love when corporates edit out the people that made them or their products
Amazing video! Love your vids.
If possible, could you put the Seatylock through your picking, and ramset, and nutsplitter tests? I have one and really want to know what vulnerabilities I'm working with.
Maybe someday... but it’s expensive! Too much for the economics of this channel.
It looks like it's on sale right now!
I'll also fwd any promo codes I get from their mailing list over to you to help out!
Enjoyed the history. Thanks for that.
Loved that you cleared up the history:)
This Zane guy sounds like he's taken inspiration from Edison.
nice design, i bet they could sell it today with a few small modifications like making it a little thicker
Shoot, it'll probably do just fine as is. Maybe a better padlock. Remember he said it survived a month with many attacks out in the wild.
slightly thicker harder metal and a nicer padlock and its golden. i like the idea that i can use my own padlock and skip the chain. bikes tend to get stripped down to the frame these days when left untended for extended periods of time. but thats another issue
As I recall, the spring steel they used was fairly easy to break if you got it cold with some liquid nitrogen. Apparently, some thieves even started carrying thermoses of the stuff because it was the quickest way in.
@@shayamaddex996 Where does a bike thief come across a reliable source of liquid nitrogen?
@@ToastyMozart I can think of some ways it could happen but I don't even know if this was common behavior to begin with.
Loving your videos, your skills are at level 200
I plan to buy some merch 🤙
Great video, thanks as always.
This 50yo lock gives more of a challenge than most of the current ones.
U-Locks: Can you please show us the “BIC pen trick” that worked with cylindrical shaped locks circa 1999? And, how about the use of pipes, mini-hydraulic jacks, and Freon as lock-opening techniques? I love your channel and watch it all the time. Thx for your videos & insights.
Such a simple yet effective construction. It still has that build-in-a-shed feeling to it
Love the historical info!
man that is cool!
Thanks... amazing what $6 (plus shipping) will get you on eBay, if you know what to look for. 😁
This is why you should never blindly accept the history books without doing your own research first.
no it's why you shouldn't blindly accept history found on the internet
especially US ones.
@@mip0 You say that like if bullshit history didn't get printed all the time...Historical revisionism is as old as history itself.
Same with the bible
@@cplcabs Add UK ones to the "especially" list too.
Iv watched your videos for about 2 years now and just noticed 5 min ago iv not been subscribed. Well sorted that out 😁
Thank you for all your research.
I'm a mechanic and ever since I found this channel wondered how hard it is to pick these circular locks like the ones on my toolboxes. Turns out, not that hard
Why do I feel like he’s a dentist
"Nothing on one, two is good, …"
That’s an ingenious system and I’ve never before heard about this lock. I love those links LPL gives us. They make everything much easier. I am really interested in old US patents so must take a look.
I definitely need to learn how to pick locks. Looks so easy when you are doing it!
It's still a good lock, good luck tyring to pick the lock from the bottom while on the street without looking suspicious.
That's the point, too. No lock is really "Pick Proof" or there'd be no key - you'd seal a hole with molten metal then hack away for a while with a super loud abrasion cutter - legal documents in hand when hopefully the Fuzz asks you what you are doing.
But - someone doing THAT to a lock - that took a lot longer than a standard key even with the right tools and skills. Well a Crack addict/Meth Head is going to have a hard time. They tend to run with bolt cutters, snip the chain or padlock, run off. And that's how it works, a deterrent.
If THIS guy wanted to use his skills to make extra-legal money he'd be cracking a safe in a Billionaire's mansion.. But again, he's a lawyer and if anywhere near as good a Lawyer at his hobby, the Billionaire pays HIM more than he'd likely gain to like help prevent his Son from facing real jail time when he walks around with his Frat buddies and lighter fluid and burns bums.
I think he's great for showing us how easy most of the locks are to pick. The criminals already knew most of them.
I doubt many people would actually raise more than an eyebrow if you went to town on a lock with a hacksaw in public. Having walked through the city with bolt cutters for a friend's cable-lock (lost key) didn't attract any weird stares for me, at least. Unless there's like, actual police right in front of you, I think few people will weigh a stranger's bike higher than potential embarrassment (or even bodily harm) to themselves.
using the tubular lock pick from other videos, this would be a 4 second open time and not look like any more than someone fumbling a bit with their sticky bike lock.
I checked the history of Kryptonite's history page at various times using Archive.org's Wayback Machine and it appears that at no point did it mention Stan. Revisionist history is correct and has been going on for at least four and a half years (the oldest record the Wayback Machine has for the history page is from November 2014).
Oh, and the bike he locked up was almost immediately stripped of all removable parts but the rest of the bike was still there and the lock undefeated.
About the bike, I’ve seen so many different pictures, that I don’t know what to believe. Many of the pictures out there supposedly showing the bike are re-creations.
You make me want to learn how to pick locks so much more now!
I have very little interest in locks, but I always watch your vids...... love your voice, it’s so nice and calming, you could do radio work easy!
The Bob Ross of locks...
I think you need to do documentaries... and send me this beauty.😁 A bit hard to find and too expensive for me. 😔🍺😎🇦🇺
Too expensive? I bought this for $6. 😋 when buying old locks, 90% of the battle is knowing what to look for.
LockPickingLawyer Dang! The last one I seen that looked similar to that was $60.😕
Is there any lock that can't be picked in a few seconds?
I'm new to your channel and every lock is opened in under 30secs
uglyduckling81 He practices beforehand, so in the real world these locks are safe from thieves.
Wesley Chen Hmm I don’t think that’s totally accurate. He might play with it before hand but I doubt it’s to learn the lock to be faster. He has other videos where it’s first look and he’s just as fast.
@@wesleychen4408 thats not really a true statement. Do you think that those thieves that pick locks don't practice? They all practice and that allows them to pick a lot of locks that they have not even seen.
@@cplcabs
This kind of proficiency in lock picking takes years of dedication and practice plus research for the particular lock you're picking-a bolt cutter just an investment of a few bucks. Guess which road a bike thief chooses to earn single digit monies per bike. ;)
@@willguggn2 I know a guy who trains locksmiths to pick. It really doesn't take years of practice to get really good at picking most common locks fast. You would be amazed how far the average person can get in a few weeks of intense practice. LPL's expertise is another level entirely though.
Great video, gonna share it with some of my bike hacking buddies.
You are such a lock genius! Very nice I like your videos! Great! I would like to learn from you. Greetings from Austria.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the drawing Leonardo da Vinci did of the very, very, very first U-Lock... =8-)
😂😂😂Wouldn’t surprise me.
Jay Massengill Well played LOL
This is probably one of the locks that took LPL the longest to pick.
It had seven pins. SEVEN! Try and find anything like that sold retail these days.
Of course, he could have opened it faster with a BIC pen. But that exploit wasn't known yet, back when these were new.
I was a bike mechanic from ‘88-‘’20 and started selling Krypto locks in ‘90. This was very interesting!
I loved the history behind this. It's almost more interesting than seeing you open every lock known to humankind. hehe.
honestly it took considerably longer to pick than “good enough for the streets” ...which is an A tier lock...so i have to believe that this one is a S tier lock right?
it's vulnerable to the impressioning tool though
Never going to buy Kryptonite products after hearing this history
They changed it on their website and have stated that their earlier version was erroneous due to being overly shortened, not because they wanted to erase Stan's early participation. Stan invented the lock, but Zane did basically create the company as it is now.
www.kryptonitelock.com/en/company-history/company-history.html
I liked how you told the story!
Love your content.
I find that odd that no one could cut through it with bolt cutters in the early 70's? Were they only given one chance? I mean, was there not a pair of bolt cutters in the early 70's that could cut something like that? It just doesn't seem right to me.
The wide flat surface is great for bolt cutters... almost ideal because it spreads the force out over a wide area and effectively reduces the force to a fraction of what it could apply to a round shackle.
Generally bolt cutters don't really "cut" through locks, they kinda crush them until they explode apart. With as flat as the bar is, there is very little to crush. A hacksaw would have a difficult time as well, being a wide flat piece of hardened spring steel. Nobody had a battery operated angle grinder back then, so the best bet would be to soften the steel with a propane torch and then hacksaw through. That would take a bit of time and I doubt most bike thieves carried the tools beyond a set of bolt cutters and/or a hacksaw.
*Just take the white, plastic body(cylinder) of a disposable bic ink pen, put it in the round keyway and turn.* That will unlock all OG Kryptonite locks. No joke.
That old lock did pretty well! I'm impressed that it took so long to pick
Thanks for the history lesson!!!