IS YOUR CHOLESTEROL NORMAL ON KETO? - Dr. Westman Reacts

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  • @misse2013
    @misse2013 10 місяців тому +119

    I feel like this is the Dr I trust the most for providing unbiased, honest information.
    Thank you for that! 🙏

  • @shannon2003
    @shannon2003 10 місяців тому +72

    My cholesterol levels have always been high . My HDL is high and my triglycerides are low. I’m happy And I ignore doctors. I’m 72 and I take zero medications.

    • @tachik3179
      @tachik3179 4 місяці тому +4

      Me too, I am 74

    • @acke26
      @acke26 22 дні тому

      how high and how long ago did you get your first ldl score ?

    • @shannon2003
      @shannon2003 22 дні тому

      @@acke26 I had an LDL of around 200 I believe , maybe higher. I took the test 2 years ago. I’ve been on keto for 4 years .

    • @acke26
      @acke26 22 дні тому

      @@shannon2003 - thanks !
      Ok, but then it's a very short time span.
      Maybe you have had quite low cholesterol levels your entire life (before keto) and that's why you don't have any problems (CVD, angima, stroke etc)
      Raising your cholesterol levels in your 70"s. Is that a good idea?
      I've had high cholesterol levels my entire life. Total cholesterol levels around 400. My health care provider didn't give me any advise back then 35 yrs ago. I'm 60 today. None of my relatives on my fathers side have survived 65. All of them have had stroke or heart attack.
      I'm not sure why you're on a ketogenic diet. If it's cause you had prediabetes or inflammatory bowel disease then I understand.
      If it's obesity then it's more questionable cause we don't really know the long-term risks of having high cholesterol levels.
      Dr Westman jumps into conclusion. Nick Norwitz, Feldman and Budhoff aare much more cautious and says that we need more studies.
      We tend to draw the conclusion that lean people per say are healthy, but that's not always true.
      Did you know that people that are overweight has the ability to store away excess calories as fat (outside the body as subcutaneous fat which actually protects the organs)
      I've been lean my entire life. Or actually TOFI = Thin Outside Fat Inside
      People like me store fat inside the body which is proven to cause all kinds of metabolic problems. Search Prof. Roy Taylors research about the personal fat threshold.

  • @GMAAndy333
    @GMAAndy333 10 місяців тому +52

    Just listened to Dr Anthony Chaffee,MD. He unequivocally states that high cholesterol & high LDL is totally benign on its own and even healthy.

    • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
      @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 10 місяців тому +8

      Just watched his video that was suggested to me. Awesome and very assuring . 👍

    • @joec1212
      @joec1212 10 місяців тому

      ​@@KarenMacLeod-zn4rc post a link please

    • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
      @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 10 місяців тому

      It’s called The truth about Heart disease and cholesterol . Search Dr Anthony Chaffee and find that video. All these doctors are great and complement each other’s information .

    • @leemanwrong
      @leemanwrong 10 місяців тому

      Yep you have genes that encode for the production of cholesterol and lipoproteins, whatever your levels are thats what they're supposed to be.

    • @ecwestman
      @ecwestman 10 місяців тому +22

      I’m more careful with my language than some influencers. The more I learn, the more I also learn how much more there is to learn! ; ) -Dr Westman

  • @RVlivingcoast2coast
    @RVlivingcoast2coast 10 місяців тому +43

    I'm 55 yr Male, on keto for 6 years, lost all my excess weight in 1st year, and have maintained ever since. Last Dr visit: BMI-21.29, BP: 116/73, Total Cholesterol - 310, HDL-101, LDL-201, Triglycerides- 41. My last doctor wanted me on statins, so I switched doctors. My new doctor's response to these numbers was: 'I can't explain the high LDL, but all the other numbers point to good health' and he didn't recommend any medications. It blows my mind that my original doctor could only focus on that single LDL number.

    • @grattigib
      @grattigib 10 місяців тому +3

      I'll be 57 in April and been low carb for 5 years with very similar numbers and PA response. I've stuck with him because he runs tests that I request.

    • @SeaStarGazer1111
      @SeaStarGazer1111 6 місяців тому

      @RVlivingcoast2coast how did you get your HDL so high?

    • @RVlivingcoast2coast
      @RVlivingcoast2coast 6 місяців тому +3

      @@SeaStarGazer1111 Once I dropped weight on keto, I got even more motivated, so I added regular exercise to my routine. I started with walking, and worked my way up to running 3 to 4 times a week. With just keto and walking, my HDL got up to around 76. Once I started running, it went over 100.

    • @SeaStarGazer1111
      @SeaStarGazer1111 6 місяців тому

      @@RVlivingcoast2coast WOW that’s incredible! So daily exercise is key to increasing HDL. On Keto did your fasting glucose & hbA1C go up? I just got my blood work done, both of those tests went up 🫤. Glucose went up 10pts & A1C went from 5.2 to 5.5. I cut out ALL processed foods, eliminated added sugars, I do the 16:8 fast 5x week, consume 35 or less carbs daily. I don’t get it, why those numbers went up.

    • @bestowbeauty7
      @bestowbeauty7 4 місяці тому +2

      @SeaStarGazer1111 From the July 2, 2024 video Why Fasting Glucose and A1c are Higher on a Carnivore Diet and What to Do
      (Judy Cho) 5:15
      If I’ve been carnivore for a while and my fasting blood sugar or A1c goes up, that might be because my red blood cells live longer while I’m on a carnivore diet, and that gives glucose more time to stick to the red blood cells. Think of the high fasting blood sugar or high A1c as a false positive, because red blood cells living longer is a good thing. By an acceptably high level, Judy means a fasting blood sugar of maybe 5.8 or an A1c in the low hundreds.
      Dr. Paul Mason confirms this in the June 2024 video Plants do this to blood cells 4:30 timestamp.

  • @grimakastatik
    @grimakastatik 10 місяців тому +109

    My ldl is 248 but my triglycerides were cut in half and in normal range, same with my other markers. And I feel 100x better than before carnivore diet. Oh and also 60 pounds lighter.

    • @cynthiagilbreth1352
      @cynthiagilbreth1352 10 місяців тому +7

      Almost exactly the same as me!

    • @jamesdellaneve9005
      @jamesdellaneve9005 10 місяців тому +6

      But your LDL!😂. How you feel means a lot.

    • @Karel8X
      @Karel8X 10 місяців тому +6

      Also, exactly the same, LDL 251, TGL in the middle of the "normal" range, at 85. 8 months on carnivore now, went from 180 pounds to 160. Feel great.

    • @bagamias-hula
      @bagamias-hula 10 місяців тому +3

      Diddo. Vldl dropped to near zero, trig to 50, hdl to 60, ldl 200.

    • @rawmilkmike
      @rawmilkmike 10 місяців тому

      @bagamias-hula Statins are like antidepressants. A vegetable has no worries. Of course, they'll decrease your chance of a heart attack. But they'll increase your chance of heart failure and type two diabetes.

  • @freerider7064
    @freerider7064 10 місяців тому +42

    My dr was concerned about cholesterol and said if I do this calcium score he'd be fine with no meds. I scored a zero. Woohoo

  • @wendycarter5718
    @wendycarter5718 10 місяців тому +58

    Never ever had a cholesterol test in my 75 years of life !! Was keto for ten years , been mainly carnivore for the last two ! Rarely ever see a doctor ( probably twice in the last 15 years ! ) I have not got a clue about my “bloods” , I have not got a clue about my blood pressure , I have not got a clue about my cholesterol levels !! I garden, I dig my allotment (i help others dig their allotments ), I walk my dog for miles , I do my house work ,I am constantly active ,I eat well , I don’t obsess about “numbers “ . I weigh 8 stone 4 lbs at 5’ 6”. If I drop dead tomorrow ,so be it !! I’ve had a good enough life .

    • @kmathis2352
      @kmathis2352 9 місяців тому +10

      My dad has had high blood pressure his whole life, which they say makes him high risk for stroke or heart attack. He's 95, and still doing fine. I was just told that I have high cholesterol for the first time (at age 55), and I have no intention to take a statin.

    • @AnneMB955
      @AnneMB955 9 місяців тому

      I really understand where you’re coming from. I decide to have a blood test to see if my vitamin levels were okay. Trying to save money if I don’t need supplements.

    • @ianstuart5660
      @ianstuart5660 7 місяців тому +2

      That's a beautiful bit of wisdom you've shared, thanks!

    • @Oakleylaurie
      @Oakleylaurie 2 місяці тому

      I'm really considering going that route. All this health focus is crazy making. (Although I did need two surgeries that did not relate to poor lifestyle).

  • @jimrutherford2773
    @jimrutherford2773 10 місяців тому +33

    I'm going to cut through all the convoluted interpretation of this study. I've seen it for years, anyone can twist and spin a study to meet their agenda. N=1 multiplied by the millions of people including myself who have gone on a low carb higher fat diet and went from poor health to great health. That means something. I can vouch first hand 90% of my ailments and poor blood scores changed for the better if not went away completely. That means something.

  • @meatvenus
    @meatvenus 10 місяців тому +27

    My CAC/CTA showed some ‘mixed plaques’ in my LAD. My CAC was 64. I am 60 yo Female who drank, smoked & partied until age 40 approximately.
    Never overweight really and always very active (which I am CERTAIN stood to me.) finally came around to LCHF lifestyle in last couple years and my LDL skyrocketed! (Which is why I had a look under the hood so to speak)
    All the docs I saw were more upset than me! Panicked even.
    Absolutely wanted me on Statins and the Cardiologist even said to me.. “just take the statins and eat whatever you want “😮
    Wow!
    I have a close friend who just survived a Heart attack. His numbers were far ‘better’ (by docs standards) than mine.
    My HBA1c is 5.0 My HDL IS 105, my Trigs are 80. My Insulin is 3.7
    I eat BBBE plus some decaf w/double cream & a bit of 85% dark chocolate 😮

  • @johnsokol-oh1vj
    @johnsokol-oh1vj 10 місяців тому +24

    After two months on the diet my HDL And LDL are normal!!! I'm so happy, folks!!!!

  • @cates_keto
    @cates_keto 10 місяців тому +12

    Fantastic video Dr. Westman! You are always so up to date and helpful!!! Every single person who I tell that I am on a ketogenic diet back away from me as if I have rabies!!! And as they are backing away they whisper “isn’t that dangerous? Couldn’t you die from that?” So sad! (I live in rural Ireland 🇮🇪 so not the most advanced population, of if I were in the city I would doubtless meet people on similar lifestyles!!) 😂🎉❤ I love your videos!! ❤

  • @omnimetric84
    @omnimetric84 6 місяців тому +15

    To the person who said that keto people feel fine until their heart attack, I respond: so do non-keto people right before their own heart attacks!

    • @stingrae789
      @stingrae789 Місяць тому

      More like they ignore many many symptoms and issues and then have a shocked pikachu face when they have a heart attack.
      But everyone does this for many different things tbh.

  • @9929kingfish
    @9929kingfish 10 місяців тому +132

    after a year eating a ketogenic diet, by LDL went up to 268,. All other metabolic makers improved. I'm okay with a high LDL.

    • @Zumbamom
      @Zumbamom 10 місяців тому +27

      Me too over a year carnivore 300 LDL my doc flipped - I said don’t talk to me I don’t agree with you

    • @Zill7711
      @Zill7711 10 місяців тому +10

      Me too 👍😊

    • @davidgmillsatty1900
      @davidgmillsatty1900 10 місяців тому +10

      @@ZumbamomBring him the paper if you can find it.

    • @nataliajimenez1870
      @nataliajimenez1870 10 місяців тому +29

      I suggest you follow Dave Feldman and Nick Norwitz. They have found that slightly increasing the daily amount of carbs to 50 grams a day reduces LDL significantly for those in the keto diet. This may be important for those in the keto diet with extremely high LDL. If you have been able to reverse your insulin resistance, it may be worth it to slightly increase the carbs just as a precaution. The reduction is higher than the one seen with statins without the side effects of statins. They suggest using lower glycemic carbs like squashes so that the insulin is not increased too much. If you are carnivore, consuming a bit more yogurt or milk might be enough (this is suggested by Dr Cywes for his long term carnivores)

    • @adelinekeys6582
      @adelinekeys6582 10 місяців тому +22

      Me too. My triglycerides are low and that's more important

  • @carolhafemann8414
    @carolhafemann8414 10 місяців тому +7

    My husband reversed type 2 diabetes has high cholesterol he had his arteries scoped befor a heart surgery his arteries are clear no blockages and he is a lifetime smoker. He’s been ketoish my term cause he still has doughnuts and some high carb food about 5 days a month. I he was told they don’t have to have his arteries checked for at least 10 years. His gp wants him on a statins . But I said we should not treat him for something he doesn’t have. This study helps backme . I also have hi ldl and will not go on statins. Thank you for sharing these results

  • @NatashaFitnessYogaPilates
    @NatashaFitnessYogaPilates 3 місяці тому +3

    Thank you. I’m kind of freaking out. I’m doing keto for cancer. Feel amazing / living normally. Started this year so it’s been 8 months now and my oncologist suggested to run my cholesterol. Shocked to see my total at 376!! My triglycerides were 63 (normal). She wants me to talk my regular doctor about it. 😭 I want to find someone that really understands the numbers and a keto diet.

  • @deondebeer4373
    @deondebeer4373 10 місяців тому +8

    I am 60 and 4 years on Keto - with a high HDL low Tri and a little bit high LDL - I am cycling and do race of 230km MTB still in 11h30 I feel stronger the when I was 30 years old - one major positive of Keto is that all my cramping on a tough race went away

  • @njsongwriter
    @njsongwriter 10 місяців тому +9

    I do. And I'm not worried. Im also one month away from being 77.

  • @SandraCarterAtHomeNC
    @SandraCarterAtHomeNC 10 місяців тому +4

    Thank you Doctor. I have been on keto for over a year and my LDL went up to 279 but my HDL also went up to 84. My Doctor instantly wanted to put me on a Statin drug. I did not start it. Thank you for the information on the study.

  • @1219art
    @1219art 10 місяців тому +11

    My ldl is 424 triglyceride 70 and hdl is 90 in ketogenic diet 50 lbs lighter in 7 months and feeling great...my primary doctor is so worried want me back on statin but i told my doctor i will not take it anymore.thank you to all doctor who promotes keto.

    • @GJJC13
      @GJJC13 10 місяців тому

      how much was your ldl before starting keto?

    • @sharonillenye8036
      @sharonillenye8036 6 місяців тому

      my dr trying to have me go to pcsk9 inhibitor due to my ldl went to 255 (used to be 160 off statin/ 89 on statin) and after he tested for LP a found to be 486nmol/L . that statin, I won't take anymore. almost made me think I needed knee replacements.

  • @peregrinuslohr5512
    @peregrinuslohr5512 10 місяців тому +7

    Very helpful. Thanks! What I'd like to see is a study that shows whether or not Keto/Carnivore can REDUCE or reverse the build up over time. Thanks for this breakdown.

  • @Eb4Ex
    @Eb4Ex 10 місяців тому +24

    This was the most plain-talking, fact-based review of LMHR work I have seen to date... TY... I think they have yet a long way to go before conclusions can be drawn... Appreciate you...🙂

    • @jimlofts5433
      @jimlofts5433 10 місяців тому +2

      agree but the interesting thing is that after 4 plus years on Keto, those with high LDL don't already have higher plaque than the control group in the Miami Heart Study - So the expectation is the initial result should be the same ?? - we shall see

    • @jamesdellaneve9005
      @jamesdellaneve9005 10 місяців тому +1

      It’s the beginning to explain the phenomenon. Dave has a nice narrative on his theory as to what’s going on. He calls it the lipid energy model.

  • @judyanderson4766
    @judyanderson4766 10 місяців тому +11

    Great breakdown for the layperson, thanks so much to the group of forward thinkers, i.e Westman, Feldman, Norwitz, Diamond, Lustig, Hickman and many others. You are changing the world.

  • @NoName-xo9sk
    @NoName-xo9sk 10 місяців тому +20

    I don't know where I heard that eating a few cabs before a test will bring LDL down. But after my Doc told me he wated to put me on a statin, when my LDL went up. For a week, before my blood work, i ate a cup of blueberries. LDL completely normal

    • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
      @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 10 місяців тому +1

      Hmm. I’ll try that!

    • @NoName-xo9sk
      @NoName-xo9sk 10 місяців тому +4

      @@KarenMacLeod-zn4rc I figured it couldn't hurt, and to clarify, I did 1 cup a night for a week . Before my test. Berries for a short time did not cause me any ill effects.

    • @greyh314
      @greyh314 10 місяців тому +5

      Look up the Feldman Protocol. It explains how you can manipulate cholesterol levels for testing

    • @NoName-xo9sk
      @NoName-xo9sk 10 місяців тому +1

      @@greyh314 that maybe where I heard that. I have watched his videos. 👍

    • @JoaninFlorida
      @JoaninFlorida 9 місяців тому +2

      Have some oreos! Lol

  • @biodivers5294
    @biodivers5294 10 місяців тому +6

    This research is ‘the state of the art’ in my opinion. I can imagine the resistance against it 😅

  • @jimlofts5433
    @jimlofts5433 10 місяців тому +9

    In Australia the CAC must be in a different scale as below 100 is ok but above 400+ is when the statin prescribing pressure increases I have a friend with Angina and he has a CAC of 1300 - I have CAC of 12, age 73 which is a bloody surprise as I lived bad with SAD + + alcohol / carbs / sugars / veg oils / margarine - Keto 20 months never going back to those days

  • @VellaShon
    @VellaShon 10 місяців тому +10

    When I came off my metformin within a year, and reversing my Type 2... I and virtual MD did know something was going to happen. They gave me prevastatin due to cholesterol number readings, but came off of them within week due to have allergy to it. They were gonna give another one, but they say it could do same. I learned they had to see inside and not numbers, from that time on I been doing great. I brought those numbers down unexpectedly, I been in remission this long for almost 3 years now.

  • @24bellers20
    @24bellers20 10 місяців тому +10

    Sounds like me. Went keto then carnivore 15 months ago due to pre existing conditions. Every blood marker improved but my ldl increased. I feel better now than in the last 40 years.

  • @rickjean63
    @rickjean63 10 місяців тому +7

    Thank you DrWestman for explaining something quite complex in way the even an non medical educated person have a chance to understand.
    We all heard about that LDL is not all there is to care about, but to have a study to confirm it is very reassuring.
    Can´t wait to hear the rest. (keto/ketovore 2yrs, doing carnivore mont now).

  • @kaychesnut2898
    @kaychesnut2898 10 місяців тому +7

    I am looking forward to seeing more on this study. I fit the LMHR profile but only 2.5 years duration, and hope to be part of the second cohort study. I live within biking distance of where they do the scans...coincidentally Budhoff was the physician who reviewed my test result. CAC score was 0.

  • @ronaldlenz5745
    @ronaldlenz5745 10 місяців тому +32

    I just got some "partial" labs. My Doc's nurse called and said my TG was "too low" at 22 (USA Labcorp units of measure) and my HDL was 109. She actually didn't say what the LDL was. She was speechless when I said "how can TG be too low and what do you want me to do about it?" I am very low carb, I walked 4.5 miles before the labs on an empty stomach. The general medical community is rather clueless. My TG/HDL ratio is 0.20, rather spectacular by all of my research.

    • @LouCadle
      @LouCadle 10 місяців тому +3

      ??? too low for what?

    • @chrismktgpsu
      @chrismktgpsu 9 місяців тому +8

      I think they meant too low for them to prescribe you something lol. Great job exercising and looking out for your own personal health 👍

  • @vivianhudacek1556
    @vivianhudacek1556 10 місяців тому +3

    Thank you so much for your clear presentation! I shared my labs, taken several months ago, with my primary care physician this week. He wanted me to start statins & said that “it’s not a question of if but when” I have a heart attack or stroke. Needless to say, I’ve been in a twit since then. I’m a 73-year-old female, 120 pounds (lost 15 on keto, which I’ve followed for a little over a year). I feel great & have lowered my A1c from pre-diabetic to 5.5. I really don’t want to take a statin & prefer to continue keto. HDL=116, trig=72, LDL=258, VLDL=9, ratio of T.chol/HDL=3.3. I hope I’m making a wise choice.

  • @anobjectinmotion8518
    @anobjectinmotion8518 7 місяців тому +1

    I am so incredibly grateful that you posted this. My Dr called me in to discuss my increased change in LDL and wanted (demanded) to know what i had changed to cause this change. Doctors are hard to find in my town and I don’t want her to fire me, so i was vague and non committal about anything, really, lol. It’s quite depressing that I have to be less than truthful with my physician and feel like I am more ‘in the know’ than her but i have children and grandchildren to be here for, so I appreciate all that you do Dr Westman to help us be as healthy as possible as long as possible.

  • @shirleyfurlow2161
    @shirleyfurlow2161 10 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for taking the time to share and explain the results of this important study.

  • @jimlofts5433
    @jimlofts5433 10 місяців тому +2

    Thank you again - well explained - good luck to all LMHR participants - It all helps build the science good or bad - we adapt we learn that the science is never settled

  • @michelephelps1087
    @michelephelps1087 10 місяців тому +1

    I appreciate your honesty in presenting what remains unknown.

  • @khill6510
    @khill6510 10 місяців тому +4

    Will be excited to see the results in a year. I've been on Keto for a year and a half and I would have volunteered for this study.

  • @chremis
    @chremis 10 місяців тому +5

    Love the content, Dr. Westman, one of my fav channels. I have seen you mention the 1/3rd split, higher, same or lower LDL...to me, is a hypothesis that for healthy individuals at ideal weight, who have lost weight, the individual will always have elevated LDL on a long term keto/low carb lifestyle. If so, this may suggest a larger population below the tip of the iceberg suggested by LMHR. Thanks. My point being this potential larger pool of folks offer greater scope for further research/study.

    • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
      @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 10 місяців тому

      Yes! Agreed!

    • @ecwestman
      @ecwestman 10 місяців тому

      Yes. This ‘thread’ of a study has the potential to unravel the ‘sweater’ of the cholesterol hypothesis. It will be important to keep pulling this thread if the results are a certain way.

  • @Blessed-Grateful
    @Blessed-Grateful 10 місяців тому +5

    Fantastic Video; thank you Dr. Westman

  • @auntymarushkafah
    @auntymarushkafah 10 місяців тому +15

    My PCP wants me to take a statin. I don't want to. CAC score 0, cholesterol over 220, probably because I use cream. Too much cream, a lot of cream. Good to bad cholesterol ratio perfect. I told her I will stop using whipped cream.

    • @grimakastatik
      @grimakastatik 10 місяців тому +7

      Mine wanted to shove one down my throat too. But I refuse to take something unless my doctor can prove I'm at risk for heart disease. But you can't off of just ldl cholesterol.

    • @chadfitch3293
      @chadfitch3293 10 місяців тому +5

      If I had a CAC of zero there is no way I’m taking a statin

    • @auntymarushkafah
      @auntymarushkafah 10 місяців тому

      @@chadfitch3293 Exactly.

    • @aztonyusa
      @aztonyusa 10 місяців тому

      Cream or any food doesn't increase cholesterol in your blood. Total cholesterol doesn't matter. Research videos on UA-cam by Dr. Westman or Dr. Berry

    • @LouCadle
      @LouCadle 10 місяців тому +4

      your doctor is your employee. If she gives bad advice, fire her and find a better doctor.

  • @maxinemorris130
    @maxinemorris130 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you Dr Westman for explaining this study clearly.

  • @stevelanghorn1407
    @stevelanghorn1407 10 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for this. Excellent explanation of a vitally important study, whatever the final results / outcome.

  • @petertownsend6375
    @petertownsend6375 10 місяців тому +1

    We need hundreds of Keto/carnivore low carb doctors.

  • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
    @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 10 місяців тому +34

    I appreciate this information so much. This is the one biggest fear that keeps haunting so many of us on Carnivore and it’s hard to get comfortable with higher LDL labs. There are so many different levels that we all find ourselves on when we all compare our LDLs. We question how high is too high or why isn’t my HDL a lot higher . The one question many of us would like answered while on Carnivore which is rarely discussed is : How or is there a way to lower ones LDL even a little bit if it’s way up there , just to relieve some worry , while on Carnivore? One of you doctors that we all watch really should go here and address this big elephant in the room question please . Knowing there are always some that don’t fit the perfect scenario, let’s address this and discuss if any type of foods can be eaten now and then or besides Berberine , a small amount of leafy greens in a week or a minimal amount of broccoli? Because you all have made some concessions for those that want to add dairy or certain veggies in certain cases so do you have any good known dietary suggestions that could help lower LDL even a little while on Carnivore? Or could you suggest anything those of us might be doing wrong while on Carnivore? This sure would be a valuable video for many. Thank you so much for all your hard work ! Personally I am a retired RN , have lost 23 lbs and feel great on Carnivore. All the info makes perfect sense to me and I am staying on it for life! And yes, I’ve got a primary dr that had a cow with my 279 LDL. I am trying to find this answer myself if I have to but just experimenting but I bet y’all have some ideas. Thank you much!

    • @grimakastatik
      @grimakastatik 10 місяців тому +10

      I got 248 myself recently and my Dr. Freaked out. But I feel better. My triglycerides are normal now. Same with other markers that weren't. I'm going to try to get a scan of the LDL and test the particle sizes. That's the only way to tell.

    • @davidcalhoun7385
      @davidcalhoun7385 10 місяців тому +16

      @@grimakastatik Dr. Ben Bikman in his Book "Why We Get Sick" says that we can approximate our LDL particle size by dividing our triglyceride level (in mg/dL) by our HDL (in mg/dL).
      If the result is under 2, the larger, buoyant LDL particles predominate. Above 2 and the small dense particles are more prevalent.

    • @chuckleezodiac24
      @chuckleezodiac24 10 місяців тому +2

      exercise & eat half a stick of butter per day instead of a whole stick. fatty fish. avocados, nuts & seeds... psyllium husk or flax seeds... dark chocolate. garlic.

    • @bradje12
      @bradje12 10 місяців тому +4

      @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc I think one of the main takeaways of the presentation by Dr Westman is that the LDL level is not a good marker for coronary artery disease. If it is not a good marker, then there is no point measuring it as a marker for CAD. In other words, we have no cause for concern about LDL levels as they don't predict your heart health. That's what this study is attempting to show. Dr Chaffee has a short video about LDL. ua-cam.com/video/VcJ63015qHI/v-deo.htmlsi=Ts1BjHsO_wXZv2Gz

    • @Melbketoshrink
      @Melbketoshrink 10 місяців тому +6

      Try adding psyllium husk 5-7g pre meals .. it halved my LDL. It’s obviously plant based so just keep that in mind. I stopped doing that recently just to see how high my LDL would go & I’m definitely in LMHR territory now. Having a CIMT & CAC score done today. Best of luck!

  • @LouCadle
    @LouCadle 10 місяців тому +6

    I'm one of those who don't get higher LDL on keto/carnivore. Mine is 90. HDL 80. Trig below 45. (When I tried vegetarianism for half a year in my 30s, cholesterol soared.) Still, I find this information interesting.

    • @ecwestman
      @ecwestman 10 місяців тому

      Thx. Very important to keep in mind that the extreme LDL elevations are uncommon.

  • @TheShumoby
    @TheShumoby 10 місяців тому +2

    Last lab was LDL 199, HDL 72, Trigs 42, VLDL 5. I've low carb keto for 6 year. I'm not worried about it. CAC 3 years ago was 0.

  • @jarichards99utube
    @jarichards99utube 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank You Dr Westman... 🙂👍 AND - a VERY Happy New Year 2024 To You...!!! -70SomethingGuy

  • @TeeAnn
    @TeeAnn 10 місяців тому +1

    This was a great explaination of this study! I watched some other videos on the study and this one helped me the most :)

  • @krisjustin3884
    @krisjustin3884 10 місяців тому +2

    Exceptional medical report! Well discussed!

  • @aulbertwest9648
    @aulbertwest9648 10 місяців тому +1

    My total chi was 138. HDL. 56. LDL, 63. Triglycerides. 104. A1C. 6.2 for someone with diabetes that is considered under control. I did some fasting too. No drugs. The only thing that was off was that I have Osteoporosis in my upper right leg. Don't have it in the lower right leg because it's a prosthetic. Nurse Practitioner said walk, drink milk and eat sardines. Need Calcium.
    I do go on and off but I'm blessed. I like keto because it works for me.

  • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
    @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 10 місяців тому +1

    I appreciate all of your encouraging comments and suggestions about my wanting to lower my cholesterol. I realize I should not be concerned. And I need to grasp that the higher number most likely is to my benefit providing I keep all the other numbers in check. It’s awesome to have a community of like minds that care enough to comment. Thank you . I welcome the educational tips ! 😊

  • @susanareddecop78
    @susanareddecop78 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for sharing looking forward to see the next one

  • @pabeader1941
    @pabeader1941 10 місяців тому +2

    The one point that I found interesting in the data was the number of extra high LDLs with 0 TPS

  • @henryancheta6668
    @henryancheta6668 9 місяців тому

    My Pastor is a retired Paramedic, he claims Keto elevates cholesterol, ultimately given a person a heart attack. I am following the Keto diet. This info helps me to understand that the change in the matter is not significant. I definitely will like to hear the bottom certainty of this matter. Thanks for the video.

  • @marynguyen6417
    @marynguyen6417 10 місяців тому +3

    After being on keto/ketovore for 6 years, refusing to take statin, my CAC score now is a big ZERO!

    • @GJJC13
      @GJJC13 10 місяців тому +1

      Have you had a previous CAC score and, if so, what #? Thanks

  • @sdjohnston67
    @sdjohnston67 10 місяців тому +1

    Excellent presentation for a general audience! Thank you.

  • @BigVine-m5i
    @BigVine-m5i 10 місяців тому +2

    Very clearly explained. Thanks Dr. Westman.

  • @BigDGolf-23
    @BigDGolf-23 10 місяців тому +2

    I eat no processed foods for the passed 2 months. I feel a very clean sensation in my thinking. My ketone levels after not eating go up to about 3.5 from 1.0 after about 12 hours.
    I'm in mild keto non stop. Feel great. I even eat strawberries, pecans, pistachios in small amounts. I might not live too be 100, but i probably won't keel over from cancer i hope. I'm going to enjoy life.

  • @craftycalley
    @craftycalley 10 місяців тому

    Thank you. I took notes and screen captured the graphs so that I am armed for when my LDL goes up at my next test as I’m back on keto. All I did before to keep the level “normal” was eat more carbs.

  • @charlesincharge3404
    @charlesincharge3404 10 місяців тому +1

    Plaque accumulates in damaged sections of the coronary arteries. This is where the pressure is highest. The particles are forced between the layers of the arterial walls. So, for plaque to form, that portion of the artery would already need to be damaged.

    • @kathydicioccio6094
      @kathydicioccio6094 9 місяців тому

      I agree with Dr Malcolm Kendrick on thrombogenesis.

  • @suziegriffith
    @suziegriffith 10 місяців тому

    Thank you, Dr Westman! LMHR here.

  • @jolantamsk3894
    @jolantamsk3894 10 місяців тому

    Awesome!!! Thank you to ALL!!

  • @priit7777
    @priit7777 10 місяців тому +2

    Maybe add the source links to this new information into the video description!?

  • @ronaldlenz5745
    @ronaldlenz5745 10 місяців тому +1

    Great presentation Dr. W!!

  • @jeffjanusik7822
    @jeffjanusik7822 10 місяців тому +2

    How do I get this information to my doctor! They refuse to give me their phone numbers, their email addresses, and don’t listen to me when I tell them, they think I’m crazy!

    • @lindamorristx
      @lindamorristx 10 місяців тому +1

      They usually have a portal you can communicate through. Try sending a link to the video through that.

  • @petercyr3508
    @petercyr3508 10 місяців тому +8

    Here is good way to look at it. High LDL is normal when your energy transport of fat is corrected in ketosis. Low LDL is pathological and indicates an inability to burn fat.

    • @timmiet47321
      @timmiet47321 10 місяців тому

      So, could frequent exercisers cause this rise in ldl?
      Oops. Answered at the 6:45 mark.

    • @KAT-dg6el
      @KAT-dg6el 10 місяців тому

      My LDL is 288 I’ve been on keto carnivore for a year and have not lost 1 pound.

    • @timmiet47321
      @timmiet47321 10 місяців тому

      @@KAT-dg6el Do you need to lose weight?

    • @chadfitch3293
      @chadfitch3293 10 місяців тому

      @@KAT-dg6elif you are trying to loose weight you’ve got to take Dr Westmans class I believe intake opens Jan 8 or 9th. I did it it’s phenomenal.

  • @kdemetter
    @kdemetter 10 місяців тому +3

    17:51 Looking at those figures, it's interesting to see my total cholesterol, HDL and LDL are very similar to the keto group group there when I was doing purely carnivore (well it was basically BBE) for about 5 months last year, but my HDL ratio and triglycerides were worse ( my total cholesterol was 324 , LDL was 255 , HDL was 58 , triglycerides 72).
    Those results worried me a little, so I switched from carnviore back to keto ( well I basically added avocado and olive oil, and added a bit of fairly low carb berries once a week, and more variety in meat, also adding fatty wild caught fish) . In 3 months, my figures changed spectacularly : total cholesterol dropped to 227 , LDL dropped to 154 , and HDL went up slightly to 67 , triglycerides went down to 59
    I'm not sure what to make of it. HDL and triglycerides improving would suggest that I do better on keto than carnivore. But I personally felt much better just on carnivore.
    Since January, I've started carnivore again but now I'll keep the avocado oil, olive oil and fish as well. I'll evaluate in 3 months again ( curious to see if it was the plant matter or ratio of fats that improved things).

    • @wSpaceArt
      @wSpaceArt 10 місяців тому +3

      Keep sharing this please. Thanks

    • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
      @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 9 місяців тому +1

      Agreed. Looking at the same plan. Not a big change. If you can, do a follow up post . 🤓

    • @danishmohd7080
      @danishmohd7080 29 днів тому

      Any changes?

  • @carlawalker8219
    @carlawalker8219 10 місяців тому +2

    Looking forward to end of this study

  • @josephcostello1812
    @josephcostello1812 10 місяців тому

    Thank you doctor! Very good summary of a study I’m closely following!

  • @kevinbaird2527
    @kevinbaird2527 10 місяців тому +1

    I am a heart valve replacement person with an Onyx mechanical valve, they want me extra low on LDL so they have me on statin and my LDL runs 35 to 50. I had a cath before open heart surgery and my arteries were clean.

  • @LiberationSeeker101
    @LiberationSeeker101 10 місяців тому +3

    Perhaps what can be looked into is the matter of LDL particle count and size (also conveniently not tested for in the study). The standard test measures LDL-C (amount of cholesterol that the LDL is carrying, not what kind). You can order a fractionated LDL panel like an NMR profile, which would get more specific: LDL-P, small LDL-P and LDL size. In short, large particles are better than smaller, denser ones. You can even add another test to that for oxidized LDL if you want to get even more specific (since the oxidized LDL is what actually does most of the damage).
    However, if for whatever reason you can't get your hands on this extra test, most studies show that a good indicator of having the smaller, denser particles (the harmful ones), is having high triglycerides (even with LDL-C normal). So if your LDL-C is a bit high but your triglycerides are low (and all the other markers of inflammation/A1C/insulin/BP/etc. are ok) chances are you're in the clear. 😎

    • @ecwestman
      @ecwestman 10 місяців тому +1

      Did you notice on the baseline slide that the marker of inflammation (CRP) was lower for the LMHR group? I forgot to mention it in the video!

    • @GJJC13
      @GJJC13 10 місяців тому

      Great information. I also wonder why the study does not include LDL particle sizes.

    • @wSpaceArt
      @wSpaceArt 10 місяців тому

      ​@ecwestman I also noted this 0.5. Miami group hsCRP 22:40 was low too, 0.7

    • @wSpaceArt
      @wSpaceArt 10 місяців тому

      I saw a comment that if the ratio of Triglycerides /HDL is smaller than 2, likely the larger the LDL particles.

  • @johnsokol-oh1vj
    @johnsokol-oh1vj 10 місяців тому +4

    , oh, I'm age 71 on Jan 13, and have lost 15 lbs. John. I've stayed away from potatoes and pasta.

  • @beckyrichmond2046
    @beckyrichmond2046 10 місяців тому

    I have recently had a blood test and it has come back with a cholesterol level of 8.7(no idea what that number relates to) my Dr has consistently insisted I use statins but I have refused. I have been on a low carb diet for years, I am not overweight and cycle 10 miles daily just to keep myself fit. I am 62 years old. I have asked for a breakdown of the cholesterol and this has been met with hesitation, should I be concerned 🤷‍♀️
    ❤ to Dr Westman and his channel and have followed for a long time 😊

    • @ecwestman
      @ecwestman 10 місяців тому

      Check out my cholesterol course at Adaptyourlifeacademy. Lots of details in there!

  • @vistagraphsnet
    @vistagraphsnet 25 днів тому

    My numbers are Total Cholesterol 223, HDL 45, LDL 163, Triglicerides 59. Are these high or low? Should they go up or down.

  • @cgArtsy5
    @cgArtsy5 Місяць тому

    Thank you. Great explanation.

  • @KirstiCheetahh
    @KirstiCheetahh 10 місяців тому +3

    What is normal??? The "normal" ranges are normal for carb eating people, not for healthy people. On keto for 2 years now. LDL 360, HDL 84, TG 66, HbA1c 5.2%, BMI 18.7 I do not worrie at all. High LDL-c is good for health and longevity!

  • @wadechroninger7101
    @wadechroninger7101 8 місяців тому +1

    If it’s a Metabolic Issue, it only makes sense then the solution would be a Metabolic one as well, right, and not an artificial chemical one…

  • @garanger71
    @garanger71 10 місяців тому +2

    Dr. Westman, I have a question, hopefully you see this and answer, I trust your opinion, I seem to be having trouble finding information on ....Turkey in relation to low keto or carnivore diet..Just wondered the health benefits or non benefits of turkey in the diets

    • @ecwestman
      @ecwestman 10 місяців тому

      Turkey is fine.

  • @sheaview8427
    @sheaview8427 10 місяців тому +10

    I have a very high HDL, but I have no other comorbidities, and I've lost 51 pounds on a ketovore diet. The number bothers me, but I also know a statin did not prevent me from developing a small amount of plaque in my arteries. I will never take a statin or any other prescription medication again unless it's a matter of life or death.

    • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
      @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 10 місяців тому

      Statin did not prevent anything for me either. I stopped mine too. I’m researching what other ways there are to lower it while on Carnivore. I’d like some videos on this from any of all the Carnivore Doctors etc . 👍

    • @hugoanderkivi
      @hugoanderkivi 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@KarenMacLeod-zn4rcWhy lower? Your body's genes dictate the levels based on the environment. Change the environment, and the gene expression changes, epigenetics. You shouldn't at all be worried about your lipid and cholesterol levels when you are eating a species-appropriate diet, which you are doing with carnivore.

    • @maxwatermeyer4406
      @maxwatermeyer4406 10 місяців тому

      @@hugoanderkivil also think in the absence of carbs and sugar there is no inflammation and the Glycalyx can do its work by keeping the LDL our of the intima…

  • @critter4004
    @critter4004 10 місяців тому +6

    But, how high is too high... my LDL continues to rise after 5 years of clean keto and carnivore... now over 400. I'm a 67 yo female.

    • @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc
      @KarenMacLeod-zn4rc 10 місяців тому +2

      Yes! My point exactly . I’d like more education on can one lower cholesterol while on Carnivore with any tweeks?

    • @ArcoZakus
      @ArcoZakus 10 місяців тому +4

      "... how high is too high ..."
      Maybe that depends on why it is high. If it is because our bodies are transporting a lot of cholesterol to protect wounded arteries, the high LDL is an indicator for the amount of damage, which is what is bad. If it is high because it is transporting fat throughout the body for energy I would think that is good. (Lipid heart health model vs. lipid energy model, Dave Feldman & Dr. Nick Norwitz) A better measurement for health is plaque (CT-angiogram, CAC score), not LDL.

    • @Cat-ht7ki
      @Cat-ht7ki 10 місяців тому +1

      As we age higher cholesterol associates w lower all cause mortality. Cholesterol has protective functions. Especially re our immune system

    • @raybartell9807
      @raybartell9807 Місяць тому

      That would scare me

  • @Insomniac4791
    @Insomniac4791 7 місяців тому

    I’ve been on keto for 25 years and am just beginning carnivore to get rid of a stomach issue I developed after a viral infection. Let me assure anyone reading my comment, my blood work is golden, I do not have heart disease.

  • @naomijones3521
    @naomijones3521 10 місяців тому +1

    So how do I know if I am a hyper responder or have familial cholestemia?

  • @SPDATA1
    @SPDATA1 10 місяців тому +4

    No, I'm NOT worried. ❤ Carnivore ❤

  • @yooochoooob
    @yooochoooob 10 місяців тому +2

    So, now that we've observed that the LMHR phenotype people in the study didn't show any significant risk increase for CHD with way above "normal" LDL levels ... A couple of new questions come to mind such as ... Are the LMHR's elevated LDL small-dense or large-buoyant ? ... AND ... do people in the LMHR phenotype perhaps have some OTHER special characteristic which protects them against possible LDL-induced CHD but which NON LMHR phenotypes would find problematic ! Presumably, the LMHR's bodies don't ramp up their LDL production just for 5h1ts & Giggles ... WHERE is all that excess LDL being utilised ?

  • @carlawalker8219
    @carlawalker8219 10 місяців тому +1

    I had to go below 20 carbs to get scale to move so I am going to close to zero carb for right now

  • @davidgmillsatty1900
    @davidgmillsatty1900 10 місяців тому

    Excellent presentation doctor.

  • @4bennybear
    @4bennybear 10 місяців тому

    And that took place during the covid craziness, imagine going to LA CA then.

  • @Roberto-cg2gr
    @Roberto-cg2gr 5 місяців тому

    Have a research on effect of keto with high small dense LDL and increase in large dense LDL

  • @Rusty6507
    @Rusty6507 5 місяців тому +2

    And 0 of the keto group were on statins…but 26 of the Miami study were on meds

  • @williamcrooksii9139
    @williamcrooksii9139 2 місяці тому

    Just started the carno diet. First time ever my LDL is high. CHOLESTEROL, TOTAL 307 H

  • @kathleenedens7953
    @kathleenedens7953 8 місяців тому

    I've been ketovore lifestyle for 3 months. I just had labs done again and went from 250 to 361.

  • @TA_33
    @TA_33 10 місяців тому +1

    Does the fact that one group is taking Hyperlipidemia Medication have any effect on this study?

  • @porkysbikerlife7893
    @porkysbikerlife7893 5 місяців тому

    I was happy with Keto, I am not happy that no one mentioned my cholesterol going up or the dramatic hair loss at all!

  • @juniorfernel
    @juniorfernel 10 місяців тому

    thaks for al this information ,

  • @adelinekeys6582
    @adelinekeys6582 10 місяців тому +4

    Iowered my LDL by walking and reducing alcohol

    • @ucfkid67
      @ucfkid67 7 місяців тому

      And laying off the meth

  • @Philly1958
    @Philly1958 10 місяців тому +2

    No link to study?

    • @Veteran_Nerd
      @Veteran_Nerd 10 місяців тому +1

      I believe this is the study ua-cam.com/video/ny2JqAgoORo/v-deo.htmlsi=OCfnM3UToW0zPVEP

  • @paulhostetler1039
    @paulhostetler1039 Місяць тому

    I've been on a Carnivore diet for 7 months very little cheating. My cholesterol came back total 305 Trig 73 LDL 246 HDL 44 with a remnant of 15. My doctor had her secretary call me to warn me I was going to have a potential heart attack if I didn't go on a statin immediately. What do you think I should do? I told her I wasn't worried.

  • @GinaSpector-mz2uq
    @GinaSpector-mz2uq 5 місяців тому

    My cholesterol ldl went up and HDL came down. My triglycerides went up. Should I be concerned

  • @azwarriorm2617
    @azwarriorm2617 10 місяців тому

    Mine is over 300 but all my other health markers in my blood work were good… I’ve never felt better than when I’m in ketosis …

  • @batnerful
    @batnerful 5 місяців тому

    great explaination

  • @Sorana44
    @Sorana44 3 місяці тому

    Im in Ketovore progressing to carnivore and my cholesterol us high also my triglycerides and my LDL Im really worried