I think giants in the earth are just their way of referring to seismic activity. When there's an earthquake it really does feel like giants below you are moving around, waking up.
TheLux008 ...and Dragons in the sky are meteor showers. The Doom was a meteor impact, the Long Night followed, as the sky turned dark of smoke and blocked the sun. The atmosphere cooled and winter came.
I always liked the theory their was a second Moon and it blocked out the sun before it was destroyed. The lack of the second Moon could be why the seasons got screwed. Maybe we should call pain from Naruto to fix it using plantery devastation lol
The doom of valyria happened long after the long night, many thousands of years after....in fact, the Valyrian freehold didn't even exist when the Long Night occurred
@@post-leftluddite I was referring to the Long Night 1.0, not the Doom of Valyria. I think we can state it fact that dragons existed long before Valyria even existed. So my guess is: dragons were around in the Dawn Age when LN1.0 happened. Perhaps the "falling star" was a dragon?! Maybe, maybe it was a fallen star literally.
Tom Dean - ok, that's got me thinking. Song is about different viewpoints/perspectives, right? Anyway, why does no one ever mention the Heart of Winter? It's not a question of why the Others came back, they've been around all along, if we believe the Free Folk... Question is, what makes them step forward now? In Bran's flying dream, he sees the reason why he must live and change, waiting at the Heart of Winter, beyond the aurea borealis of the Ice+FireWorld. Description sounds-to me-like it's the northern pole, the strongest force there would be magnetism... Hell, I'm sorry, was just thinking out loud. That's what you get for making me think (:
I hope the books to come do the others/white walkers more justice than that sorry excuse of a finale season, on the show we learned next to nothing, I am sure GRRM will do much, much, better, if he ever finishes the books of course. Thanks for your insightful take on this from the books, keep up the good work.
Even the hammer of the waters would be an effect of seismic activity. An earthquake under the fourteen flames would easily result in the Doom. "Giants in the earth". This is why I love this channel. I think the "horn of Joramun " was actually a ritual, with a name that when interpreted literal, leads one to think this was an actual horn, and maybe blowing a horn is part of the ritual. Waking the Others as a result makes so much sense as well.
them and freaking Preston!😂😂😂 They enterteined us while GRRM hasn't published books but at the same time they are the very reason GRRM no longer writes, lol Sounds like something GRRM would do/write
There definitely seems to be an undercurrent within the story of "elementals", Fire, Ice, Water, Forests, Sky or stars, and possibly more, being the old Gods "beyond counting". I'd love to know where Grrm is taking us. Come on Winds of winter! Great job Love QOT.🌹 😊
"The Ice Dragon" = The Others, "The Shadow Cat" = Lion of Night, "The Moonmaid" = Maiden Made of Light, and "The Sword of the Morning" = The First King
I am so enthralled with the way you guys pointed out just how good a fighter Mance is whilst being glammared as The Lord of Bones. Mance has not once been renowned as such a skilled warrior once until he easily beat a battle hardened Lord Snow
I don't really see the connection between the doom and the breaking, and the relevance to Bran's dream. The one word you're hinging on to make it work is the mention of "blood" in Bran's dream and the doom passage, where in the doom it was "the blood of demons", as in fiery volcanic meteors, while in Bran's dream it was "thick black [faceless] blood" which could be connected to Qyburn and Gregor/Robert Strong or Faceless Men, but not Valyria. That doesn't mean the Faceless men didn't cause the doom, but I question it's connection to the breaking.
@@brandonjeffi5976 They are not saying that they don't see the connection between the doom and the h.o.w., but the connection with those two AND Bran's dream. The all three, not just the two.
Yaaassss!!!!!! I have been itching for you guys to drop another video. How awesome is it that you mentioned King Hoare and his link to black blood. IIRC, one of the Maesters (cant remember who) mentioned the Hoare line descended from the Andals which created a line of black haired, black eyed and black hearted kings. Which immediately makes me think of Euron and his black hair and one great black eye, and how spooky is it that he has a underling named Harran Half-Hoare. I think Euron is Harren the Black come again with his slave blood sacrifices, only his version of Harrenhall is the Silence on the Sea. I'll be re-watching this video until the next one drops. Awesome job Greenhand!! Love you guys!!
This is a little off topic, but when watching your dorne and aegon videos it crossed my mind that the stories of Aegon and Nymeria are strikingly similar to one another. Both figures go and conquer divided kingdoms after the destruction of their homeland and create their own unified kingdoms out of the chaos. Aegon witnesses the destruction of the Freehold during the Doom, Nymeria witnesses the destruction of the Rhoynar at the hands of the dragon lords. Aegon went on to unify a divided Westeros while we see Nymeria unify a divided Dorne. Just thought it was a neat coincidence is all.
Francis Ivan Xavier7vs13 it’s sad that their raves could never get along they could’ve counqured the world I also feel like the wrong people were born at the wrong time if she had been born then they might have gotten along since polygamy is a thing in their society
You know... considering the yin/yang thing, I have to wonder if there might be some pendulum effect going on here. The idea is to try to achieve a balance... but when the pendulum swings too far into darkness, it's swing back to the light is inevitable... isn't it? The farther it swings into darkness, the farther that pendulum is going to swing back into the light. So... perhaps we could consider that the Hammer of the Waters was a swing one way... and the doom of Valeria was a swing back the other way - though one's cause was frozen fire and the other fire... with the goal being a natural balance. I mean... it's hard for me to put the children on one side and the realm of men on another - because they are both living realms, and we are led to believe that this ultimate battle is between life and death. It's just confusing to try to keep everything straight, but I'm pretty sure we are looking for the Goldy Locks world... not too much magic, not too little.... not too much light, not too much darkness... not too much fire, not too much ice... The answer is to balance chaos and order... not for one to dominate the other... isn't it?
The Others were woken by Hot Pie discovering the secret of browning the butter first. It smelled damn good and now they are heading to the Inn at the crossroads to get themselves some pies.
God I love these theories. You don't mind if I binge watch all of them? Again Best. ASOIAF. Theories. Ever Now feed me more of that high quality content
Why can't the stone giant be Gregor? "A giant made of stone". Half (or a third) of the Titan is made of copper (iirc) and Gregor Clegane is the mountain that rides. And mountains are made of stone. It makes sense in the context of the scene with Bran talking about the King's party, Sandor ("with the face of a hound") and Jaime ("golden and beautiful" just as Bran describes him in his dreams of being pushed from the tower "things I do for love"). Also about the "black blood of demons" it could be tar or something a volcanic matter.
If the same kind of magic that destroyed Valyria was used on the Arm of Dorne long before the Doom, I think it wasn't the Children of the Forest who broke the Arm. I think the First Men did it. If they were fleeing from the evils brought on by the Blood Betrayal they might want the added protection of the Narrow Sea, which would include the deities known to live there.The Lion of Night and his demons would have to contend with the Mother Royne and her children before they made theIr way to the Stepstones after crossing the Bones, if they were so inclined. I mean why would the Lion of Night stop at the Great Empire of the Dawn? Unless something or someone prevented him from spreading his wrath westward toward the Narrow Sea and into Westeros? Also, why do we believe the version of the Breaking recorded by the Maesters in the WOIAF? Perhaps Brandon the Builder went east after building the Wall and helped beat back the forces of the Lion of Night and then built the Five Forts? The legends say the Last Hero treated with the Children of the Forest, but that could have happened in Essos with the Ifequevron or Wood-walkers.
This just occurred to me. The Breaking and the Dum were geological events. If both happened simultaneously, there could be enough volcanic ash to cause a global cooling event. If Winter hits at the same time, then the Long Night = A long Winter + Global Cooling by volcanos. Then there is the world getting darker due to the ash in the air. If the other grew in strength due to the mass sacrifice as well, causing the erratic winters in the first place. Then the world of ASoIaF is messed up due to the acts of men. Thus making it a metaphor for man-made climate change. A real-world example of this is The Great Collapse. It is thought that an Icelandic volcano erupted and its ash cloud hung over the Mediterranean and Middle east. Causing food shortages and eventually the collapse.
Yeah, I agree, the Children of the Forest definitely created the Others. But I don't think they control the Others as much as they (or we) may think; Just like Targaryens and their Dragons, The Others have wills of their own. It might be a Green Seer Child with an Other is like A Warg and their Wolf; not complete control but it isbfor life (and second life?)
Blood and corpses were also described as black in Old Norse texts. It’s usually referring to it being dark and related to death and not so much their actual color
Whenever the Others appear, they always seem to come during great times of turmoil, when Westeros is least prepared and already at war. The first time being the war with the First Men against the Children of The Forest and the Giants. Now, with the War of the Five Kings along with Daenerys' invasion, which seems to correspond with the First Men's invasion.
As always, amazing work! This theory is way better than the show version of children of the forest stabbing one guy to make the “night king” and that is it. There’s similarities between the two ideas, but yours is much more developed
Ahh that ending. So good! Speaking of a massive tidal wave in one of the Victorian chapters when he is waiting for the lost iron fleet ships in the island of monkeys and stocking on pork it mentions that when the doom happened a massive wave broke all the trees when it passed so that pretty much confirms there was a tsunami in one thus both of those instances. Perhaps a linear/ circular path from the Valeria to that island would yield interesting observations on how truly devastating the doom was. What I'm most interested is if the wave reached that island did it reach Dorne? And is there a subtle mention of it? Might explain those caves...
I find the Iron Born and the Drowned God fascinating and I can’t wait for those videos. This is a really interesting theory. The greatest threat to the living was sort of an oopsie side effect of some hard core magic. Really reinforces the fact that all magic has a price that is paid by the ones wielding it.
This is why I am so excited for Fire & Blood to come out because I honestly feel like there is information contained within that is pertinent to the main series. We all know George's world has gotten so expansive that he probably needed to take a step back and write more history just to fill in gaps that he wouldn't sufficiently be able to do within the last two books. It's short-sighted of people to get angry about Fire & Blood coming out before TWOW, imo.
What springs to mind is Macumber from the show, and Oberyn's line "Some believe the sky is blue because we live inside the eye of a blue-eyed giant." Makes you wonder!
PS- Guys, I believe some of the German Nazis spoke of "the giants" that would join them in The Reich but to them "the giants" merely represented "the supermen", giants of power and "purity of blood" I believe - it doesn't actually mean giants as creatures of incredible size but incredible power instead. How can we be sure that GRRM didn't mean "giants" in that usage rather than the common parlance?
Not necessarily Frederick the Great of Prussia was obsessed with the idea of having an army of giants. And to some extent he got one he had an entire regiment of the vertically. The shortest man in that regiment was 6'7 or 6'8.
Great video. Looking forward to the Ironborn video. Noticed you tacked on a pic of Harwyn Hoare near the end. In Brans falling vision when he sees the giant armored in stone with black blood. The "armored in stone" part always made me think of the Titan of Braavos. But the black blood makes me think of House Hoare. Harren and his sons in Harrenhall, the black blood of House Hoare, was armored in stone. There is a line in the world book when Aegon and Harren the Black parley outside Harrenhal," Yield now," Aegon began, "and you may remain as Lord of the Iron Islands. Yield now, and your sons will live to rule after you. I have eight thousand men outside your walls." "What is outside my walls is of no concern to me," said Harren. "Those walls are strong and thick." "But not so high as to keep out dragons. Dragons fly." "I built in stone," said Harren. "Stone does not burn." To which Aegon said, "When the sun sets, your line shall end." Is this giant some descendant? I know Harren's brother was Lord commander at the Wall at that time. The building and destruction of Harrenhal (to me anyway) is like a mini doom of Valyria. thousands of captives/slaves died to build a great monument to a proud King These captives/slaves must have prayed for death like the slaves in the Valyrian mines. The Children must have been angered by the destruction of the weirwods to make the rafters and beams, and all this on the shores of the Gods Eye in full view of the isle of Faces. Could the CotF have somehow influenced Aegon to come to Westeros to bring an end to this?
tbh i read it as bran seeing the hound, jamie and lastly the undead mountain, since his head was sent to appease dorne. so when he lifts his visor theres nothing underneath, other than whatever bile and blood qyburns experiments left behind
@@ShadeStormXD Hope you're having a merry christmas. The scene reads like it's the Mountain(I agree) and it probably is but this was a Greenhand vid so your always looking for that alternative explanation. The thing about this scene (IMO)is that everything that Bran sees is happening at that moment(more or less). It doesn't read like a prediction of the future. The 'storm' ahead of Cat and ser Rodrick could be the drama they're heading into in Kings Landing but in the next Cat chapter she recalls a storm they hit off Dragonstone. In my own personal head canon(at the moment lol) the stone giant is Littlefinger (Titan of Braavos Baelish sigil). Who knows? It could just be as simple as you say and it's the Mountain.
Great video again. Always love the production quality. I do have a question, because I look at the Others and Long Night from an angle I don’t see among theorists and I wonder if I’m just an idiot or perhaps it’s too simplistic. I see the whole thing as an anthropomorphism of the seasons. You guys touch on this with the Valrians representing summer and the Others representing winter. The Others are quite literal with “The enemy doesn’t bring the storm, he is the storm” and countless other quotes towards that. I imagine you guys will touch on that some more. But if that’s the case and it is just an analogy (in the extreme) of the seasons, the Long Nights are coming no matter what and not as a result of man interference. It would seem to simply be caused by the planet’s obviously extreme elliptical orbit and the comet has a similar orbit and happens to pass the planet (I hesitate to use “Planetos”) around the time of the season change. Also, the seasonal change happens to intensify the power of magic. So if anything woke The Others from their seasonally opposite hibernation, I suppose it would be the comet signaling season change. This would fit to me as an extreme orbit would account for the apeshit seasons and would make sense for the people to not realize it yet because the LN’s are separated by 8,000 years or more and they only have a rough account of the last one. So they certainly wouldn’t have an account of the LN’s prior to that, so they wouldn’t have enough info to catch the pattern yet. On a deeper philosophical note, if this is the case (in one form or another), then it could easily be argued that the characters in this world (especially the principals like the Others/God of Death, Valarians/Rhilor etc) don’t actually posses free will. They are predetermined to perpetuate this cycle over and over. Ultimately the Others will reign during LN/winter, and the opposite will reign during summer. It would be like if us on earth had to actually fight a physical enemy to bring the next spring.
I think the tidal wave associated with Jorumans Horn taking the wall down would be the wall itself, it's a giant frozen wave that would crash down. Great video as always!
Great video as always, interested to see how this topic will shake up. I personally think that Giants of the Earth is more referring to a deity class (drowned god, , the great other, the guy hanging out in the caves in essos where no one goes and comes back, some fiery version. A class like tolkiens maiar/ainur. Ice/fire>water/earth>valyrians/children>men. I think that the children are able to call upon the Giants of the Earth in relation to the event of doom that occurs. IE, call upon the drowned god for the hammer of water, what fire giant there is for the doom of valyria. Call upon the giant of ice to create the others. A race perhaps that predates the children /valyrians that may be embodiments of ice/fire or still below the two main balancing forces. Sorry if that's abstract, keep up the good work
Using my geologic comprehension: the giants caused a MASSIVE claw impact UNDERNEATH the crust of the planet causing the claw-shaped set of islands where the land bridge once was. The planet is just one large dragon egg. Except a claw of a dragon to dwarf the size of the wall when it returns to set the planet back on course.
They are one of the few GoT related channels on youtube that are not just vomiting out the most popular reddit theories to try and get views. It is quite refreshing. Even if all of their theories end up being wrong i still find it more enjoyable than listening to a video about some shit i have already heard 1000 times.
Off topic. Why does king robert get so much hate. He fought a war jon arryn started to save lyanna his best friends sister. Yes he is a drunk and womenizer. But tell me. Robert has to deal with tywin who is stern and rains of castamere. His wife cersie hates him and threatened to kill him when joffery cut open a cat. Jaime would have killed him if cersie got hurt. Even barristan selmy would have killed him if he smilled at the dead babies. Then you have the counsel. Pycelle who is tywins man. Little finger who stole money from the realm and caused the death of his father jon arryn. Varys who wanted to get the dragons back so he was never his friend. 2 brothers who he never really knew and never loved who plotted behind him. Children who all hated him and cried when he held them. But his bastards loved him but cersie made sure they were rid of. Plots all behind his back. Im not surprised he almost went mad at all that crazy in kings landing. And debt. Now it makes sense why he wanted ned to be his hand. Ned was his brother and they loved each other and jon arryn. Robert wanted a friend who he could actually trust. And when all hell broke loose. Robert and ned died. And how does the world and fans remember him. Poor stupid lyanna. Poor hero idiot rhegar. Drunk robert. Honorable ned. And worst part. Most his bastards are dead. Realm he never wanted destroyed. His home both of them taken by targarean and little finger. And the brotherhood without banners use to be good for the people and fought for roberts name. Now cat monster tully made them into monsters to kill the same as frey. Truly robert had a messed up story and cat even made ned distrust robert and want to leave. Poor robert for winning and saving everyone. Yes he should have gave stannis his thanks that is his fault. But robert is still a tragic charcater same as ned and more need to know this. He may be a drunk. But he was never a leader. He was a warrior with honor
ivanbluecool well I don't know about the others but i didn't like Robert because he only truly fought for pride. I thought that lyanna loved him at first, until I read the books. She didn't care for him because he would've slept with any woman, dismissing her even though they were married. Robert fought over lyanna as if she was his property, he even said that she belonged with him, ignoring or being ignorant of her lack of affection towards him. For Robert this was about his ego, he couldn't let someone take what he felt was his by right. The fact that she didn't want to marry him was irrelevant to him. Also when tywin had rhaegar's children murdered Robert did nothing about it. No excuse for that b.s. when I first read about that I initially agreed with them saying it prevented a future civil war, but soon realized that there were better ways to do that. No excuse for what tywin did because he did it out of revenge against aerys and to gain favor with Robert.
@@joshuasepeda3289 like lyanna is so innocent. She is a hypocrite. Says Robert would not stay to one bed and she goes off with rhegar who is married. Doubke standered much. If rhegar stole her away instead. Then rhegar deserves to die as scum. Either way. But George said rhegar died for his love lyanna so it was conseual so lyanna did thr same thing. Robert was unspoken for at the time. Of course he would sleep with girls. He had no promises yet. Same as when nobody faults ned if he slept with ashara or the fishermen daughter. Funny enough. Brandon her own brother who she knew all her life was a womanizer and lyanna said nothing about that. Another double standards of lyanna stark. Robert didn't start the war. Jon aryyn and rickard stark and Brandon did. Would you have Robert and ned die instead. Robert had to win her back it was both arrogance and pride but of he didn't all of them would have died. Yes Robert slept with women in thre battle of the bells. But many of them didn't know if they would for today or tommorow. Nobdoy faults ned for having jon. Cat never blames ned. She blames Jon. Robert doesn't have a right to claim her as his own. But lyanna is not as noble as people think she is. Its a grey story. Lyanna had shades as well. And her shade is saying hypocritical comments about Robert when she did it herself. Tywin is a smart man. He knew the targareins needed to die one way or another. He did it to secure his house. You can't fault him for that to get into roberts good favors to get a pardon and marry his daughter to the crown. I feel the targareins would be killed either way or else dorne would be the enemy it always would be and arm the targareins with the crown. Nobdoy liked Robert anyways if he just killed the prince. All houses would just join thr babies and dorne would show its equal rights and crown rhaneis as queen and lose the war and more death would become made. Plus they would not help dany as she and viserys would have more claim as mad king disowned rhegars dorne kids. So Robert may have been old fashion. But he did love her to an extent. He loved ned as well and hed death brought them back to being friends. That's my take. Lyanna is not innocent. She had means to stop the madness. Poor Jon either way if he is neds or rhegars. A bastard or his world would crash as a targareon
@@GhostEmblem I feel the same. Makes matters worse. Lyanna was 15 way older and did somethibg even more stupid. Sansa gets it for telling on ned and being in her fantasy of knights and chivalry even after she gets rescued from kings landing and ned dies. Sansa would be the same as lyanna getting rhe head of winterfell in danger. But lynna gets away with it for being a "strong women for making the land bleed and killing her family" nope. Whether or not lyanna did it for love or escape. She is guilty like rhegar and everyone sees them as heroes. They are not. They sre idiots. And george will show us that as everyone sees them as a teagic romance anf George said he will reveal more about them so we can see the stupid they are. I hooe jon isn't thier kid as he js basically a tool for readers. He is the son of yadda yadda. Who cares who his dad is. George saif jon isn't a hero so jon will have a role to play. A d it won't be rhegar saving thr world but Jon who learned from ned. The probably true hero of the story for all his work raising his kids to know what to do when the time comes for it
@Ivanbluecool I personally believe people hate Robert not for his qualities but for his lack thereof. Humans have this instinct to give more to their leaders we sacrifice our own foods and wealth to those who rule so that when things are hard they will sacrifice them self to save their followers. This is why we have what seems like double standards for those in power. It is due to the fact we expect more out of them for the sheer fact that they are in charge and this will always be the case due to human nature. So in short any character that is lacking in leadership is going to be hated if they are in a potion of Power like Robert, but to make matters even worse we were introduced to Ned along with Robert very early on and their close friendship only helped to magnify the fact of how poor a leader Robert really was.
Have you read "The Ice Dragon" by GRRM? It pre-dates anything written about SoIaF, and the battling kingdoms in it cannot be placed. You have to uncomfortably shoehorn the setting in. But there are huge, huge, huge similarities that really jump out at you such that it looks very much like a proto-Westeros, I won't spoil the story for you and any other reader except one little facet. Anyway, my point, during winter, the Ice Dragon appears and it is much bigger than any dragon the King's riders' have. But the Ice Dragon only comes in Winter. Here's the spoiler part: the enemy kingdom's dragons are winning the war and come to the girl's village, the Ice Dragon she is connected to comes to save her. But this occurs in the middle of summer, until then, she's never seen him in summer. It's clearly only come to save her as it senses that she is in extreme danger. The Ice dragon in summer is still quite strong and powerful to be sure but is much smaller, less grand, is constantly melting, and is far, far weaker than it is in winter.
Been looking forward to this! : ) The Others are a key aspect of the Old Powers, and we know so little. I have also come to terms with the fact that the Breaking and the Doom were the same event, seen from different accounts and perspectives. Also, isn't it strange how often we are drawn back to Bran III, more than any other chapter in the entire series?
It is truly amazing how George wrote that chapter, so early with so much information. He says he doesn't like writing when he knows where the story is going, but the layers of mystery and foreshadowing in the first novel are too impressive to believe that.
Glad to here that your mother's doing better also I just wanted to let you know that their is another group of gaints in the east called Jhogwin is the Dothraki name[1] for the stone giants that once inhabited the Realm of the Jhogwin, the northernmost region of the snowcapped Krazaaj Zasqa in northern Essos. They were massive creatures, said to have been twice as large as the giants of Westeros.[2]
maybe the old gods are similar to those native american lore, where they are literally part of the flora and fauna, the earth. and so clearing it all away in the name of some gods from another place woke up an ancient power within it all. it's protecting itself.
i like the part with the faceless men's meddling (they're always involved when sh*t goes down), and the inference about the giant in Bran's dream being Littlefinger and not the mountain (#refreshing), but on the rest i failed to see the innovation (which is what i usually expect from your theories)... there are so many more factors to keep in mind: the andals, the pact(s), the previous long night(s) and its (their?) resolution(s), dragons in westeros, plus the fact that the doom was several hundreds of years past current events. And to add to the tinfoil: the night's king, the starks in winterfel, the sacrifices (tie queen Allysane), Craster sacrificing his boys for some decades, the "meeting" during Dany's wedding, the magic awakening and so on...
I can't wait for the ironborn series. This is very interesting. But I have a question, if you guys think the others are woken by this kind of sacrifices, then where do they go once they fulfill the wish? Do they just stay in the land of always winter or they just disappear as some kind of gods that only came to fulfill the wish? And what cataclysm woke them up now at the very start of a game of thrones? Lovely video guys! Loved it! Hugs for you!
hey Ana...it seems to me that the Others bring with them an underworld of sorts...a world of darkness and death, where the undead serve them as minions...we think they woke the first time when the Children used the Hammer of the Waters to break the arm of Dorne, and the second time when the Faceless Men used the Hammer of the Waters to break Valyria (the Doom of Valyria)
the Hammer of the Waters wakes them...the Doom of Valyria was the second successful execution of the Hammer of the Waters...the same thing woke them both times
The Order of the Green Hand I would wait for the big ironborn video where you would cover the "others/city". So you think the children summon then again or do they now have their own agenda? I wonder what cataclysm is coming next to round the numbers. Hugs for you!
As usual great work! I don't agree with a few things you theorize, but I won't be shocked if it turns out you are 100% correct. My immediate reaction is that you overlooked the multiple instances of Sworn Brothers of the Nights Watch declaring that they are "black of blood" which cannot be coincidence. I know Bloodraven says it to Bran, and off the top of my head I believe Yoren says it to Ned after racing to KL with the news of Tyrions arrest, and I'd bet it's said elsewhere multiple times. Haven't had time to let it digest completely, but it sure has the feel of a once religious catechism that over the centuries has lost it's true meaning, yet is so ingrained in the mythos of Sworn Brotherhood, it is still used frequently, even while lacking it's deeper meaning. If I'm right, and you as well, this could be the first hard evidence of NW and WW sharing a history that was not always one of opposition. Could be those Heresy threads got this one right.
bryantaylor9874 Or the NW wants to set itself apart from the rest of Westeros, especially the noble houses. The NW takes no part, so the members don't say they are of andal, FM, Stark, or whatever houses blood. Instead they say they have black blood, for a sense of unity. That was more important back in the days when most of the NW were knights, but the saying outlived the Targaryens.
Bartimaeus of Uruk No doubt they say it in modern times to distinguish themselves as a separate entity but it's a peculiar choice of words considering they already have unique titles for themselves such as black brothers, sworn brothers, sword in the darkness etc. What I find most curious is how black of blood doesn't seem to be taught to new recruits, or used frequently at Castle Black, so how is it that so many Brothers use that term to describe themselves. One clue lies in the fact that it seems to be used exclusively by older brothers, all of whom are Rangers, or former Rangers that now command from the highest positions in the NW. This isn't the first time we hear of dark secrets known only to Rangers. Remember that Craster's sacrifices were so secret that even LC Mormont was unaware of it until acting First Ranger Ryker informed him, and in later chapters Jon mentions files of information known only to the LC. In Jon's case the secrets he mentions are about Brothers, not of darker knowledge, but there may be more that Jon has yet to uncover. Considering the unique situation at the Wall; Stannis, Wildlings, the LC not living in the LC's quarters, it's not a stretch to imagine secrets Jon hasn't found yet that he would have by now in normal times. Mormont certainly knew much more about things north of the wall, just reread his talk with Jon the morning after Jon tried to desert, as did the Halfhand, and the rest of veteran Rangers. His message sent to Mormont as they retreated was "tell him the trees have eyes again". The Halfhand expecting Mormont to understand that message proves the LC knows a lot more than we've been told. I'll wrap this up for now, but don't forget that we know for sure the origins of the NW differ greatly from the accepted history. The time line of the War for the Dawn, the creation of the Wall, the founding of the NW, and the exploits of the Nights King, is confusing and contradictory, if the accepted history of these events are true, so it can't be. So many hints and clues surrounding the NW, the Wall, the Rangers, the Others, the Nights King, and most of all the Starks. It isn't coincidence, and all we know for sure is that what we're told is the truth, isn't even close to what really happened.
That makes a ton of sense bryantaylor9874. It seems to me that the main secrets they seem to possess focus around the black gate and child sacrifice, the night fort and their black blood. There has been a mention of tree soldiers in the text a few times too, so I do wonder if the weapon the CoTF gave them the ability to create fire wights in exchange for blood sacrifice (unwanted children) to the weirwoods. The way I see it they would in essence be firey tree soldiers so to speak. It could even be why the right to the first night was first started... If you wanted to get ultra tin foil about it this could even have been a poisoned gift the children gave to the NW in that they were using these sacrifices to create more Others, knowing full well that the reasons for the sacrifice (i.e fire wights) would be forgotten over time.
I'm in total agreement with u. As for my tin foil theory, although I believe wholeheartedly I'll be proven correct, it's that whatever actually happened between the Nights King and the Others will happen again, but this time with Stannis. I think Stannis is going to pull out a miracle win against Bolton, restore the North to Stark rule (likely Rickon but other possibilities exist), and then he'll find that all the good he did for the North will earn him not a damn thing. Once again Stannis, who always did his duty, who answered the desperate pleas for help when no one else would, who avenged the Starks by destroying the traitors, will find that no one will stand with him. It'll be like Renly getting Storms End and Ned getting the credit for ending the siege at the end of the rebellion all over again. Only a thousand times worse. Grrm lives history repeating itself after all. When this happens he'll retreat to the Nightsfort with a handful of men at best. Even Mel will abandon him by this time, and we'll see the man who would not bend finally break. It's been teased repeatedly since Clash. Enough so to be considered a true Chkalov's Gun. We'll see Stannis, abandoned by fire, embrace ice, and all the evil powers the darkness has to offer. Not sure exactly how that will play out, though certainly it will mirror what the Nights King did thousands of years earlier. It's a shame bc Stannis doesn't deserve the treatment he's been given his entire life. The rage he'll feel will turn the best commander in Westeros, if not the world, into the leader of mankind's enemy just in time to begin the new Long Night. With Grrm's penchant for breaking tropes there's a good chance mankind won't survive this time.
"One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound" is clearly Sandor, "Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful." is clearly Jamie and the third is The Mountain (zombie)
I always thought the reference to giants waking in the Earth was a metaphor for earthquakes, that the Hammer of the Waters and the Horn of Joruman could cause massive amounts of seismic activity through some magical process. It's also worth noting that in the real world seismic activity does have a knock-on effect with volcanoes and can lead to eruptions. Interesting theories as always, great stuff.
The Order of the Green Hand I always got the impression that it was because the Mountain represents the brutal reality of knighthood. He is standing over the golden knight and the knight of flowers to show show how the institution of knighthood is tainted by that brutality, as well as to juxtapose it with common perceptions of knights.
there will be other videos related to what we talked about in this one, but we probably won't turn this into a series...the Ironborn series ties closely into some of the stuff we breezed over in this video
Hey orderofthegreenhand do you guys think the volantene and bravvos where and are in a alliance to destory the dragonlords in return for this deed done the next 100 years otherwise known as the century of blood the volantiene were paying for the debt they owed the bravvos in order to be the singular rulers of essos
Croatia probably has the best midfield left in the tournament...France's midfield is really good too...I tend to believe that the team that wins the midfield battle usually wins the game...England has significantly more firepower than Croatia and has the ability to set up in a manner that they can out physical Croatia's midfield, and Harry Kane has been the best player in the tournament thus far, and is showing no signs of stopping any time soon
The Order of the Green Hand yeah Harry Kane is on fire, but damn Croatia looked good against Argentina. Idk something in me says that Croatia has a more stable team. But it's football so anything can happen, especially this particular World cup. Craziest world cup I've ever witnessed
I see it as a low scoring game and I have more faith in Kane to get one in the back of the net than Mandzukic...this world cup has had quite a few upsets but I think the media are blowing it out of proportion...Spain losing to Russia didn't shock me...Germany getting knocked out did, but that happens in soccer sometimes...they couldn't get the ball in the back of the net...tournaments aren't like leagues where the cream rises to the top over the course of a long season...tournament play is more reliant on defense and grabbing opportunistic goals...Sweden is a perfect example...they are extremely organized on defense and wait for opportunities to counterattck and grab a goal...its why Mourinho is a good tournament coach and struggles in leagues...and why Italy usually goes pretty deep into tournaments and teams like Spain and France (who are usually more individually talented) don't
Don't you think that "waking giants from the earth" is just a metaphor for earthquakes? It seems to me that for a medieval people, giants in the earth sounds like a great explanation for an earthquake.
Just something I thought about, maybe food for thought: What if the ritual by the childrens greenseers actually caused the deaths of many ice dragons. They would melt, make the see rise and the land bridge disappear. And a small part of the living ice they are made of manifested into the others. That would also be in line with a statement George made, that the Others actually (loose quote) "follow the physics of my world". And considering the focus of balance in the series, the death of Valyrias dragons might have something to do with another death wave amongst the ice dragons.
The first cataclysm would be the destruction of the empire of the dawn which blasted the peninsula which afterward became known as the shadow beyond Asshai. It’s possible the others caused the catastrophe or were caused by it. Or maybe just saw an opportunity in a world with few dragons. When the doom happened the same circumstances resulted and the others awoke. The Empire of the Dawn arose through their strength with magic and dragons. Their arrogance and hubris lead to a disaster which ended the empire except for a western outpost Valeria. Valeria arose through strength of magic and dragons until arrogance and hubris lead to a disaster which ended the empire except for a western outpost, Dragonstone. The Targaryens began to create an empire in Westeros through the power of magic and dragons and cycle continues. The question is did the Dance of the Dragons end the cycle or just delay it.
The Order of the Green Hand I'm delighted to hear that she's making progress. It's a difficult journey for the patient and family. I'll keep all of you in my prayers, love QOT.🌹
Glad to hear she's doing better. Your iron born videos are going to be epic! That section of TWOIAF was one of the most interesting parts in my opinion
When I first read that line about the mountain towering over them, I thought it was referring to Gregor Clegane due to his connection to the Hound. However, I now think its both a reference to the Titan of Braavos, the ritual preformed there, and foreshadowing of the Mountain's fate. After what Qyburn did to him, I doubt there is anything but black blood in his body.
Congrats, great video. To me the Others represents balance, it is a way of GRRM tell us what he thinks about the actual world and the path mankind is taking. If you know the work of Graham Hancock he defends that already existed in the earth ancient civilizations with a great level of development and inter dependency, then cataclysms happen and civilization was reset. So I think that the Others are representing the balance in the world, when unbalance happens the others appear to bring balance. And in this world of Ice and Fire magic is the technology that generates great unbalance, and this is where magic beings restores balance. That is only my idea. Maybe stupid but only GRRM knows it. Eh eh eh.
the only issue I have with that is if the Others are successful, everyone and everything dies...a never ending winter with no light would kill every living organism on the planet
Yhap that is true, but it is like an Ice Age, and we have that in real world, some die and others endure. The ice age wipes out a massive amount of ou life, on the human side the one who survives are those less dependent on society and those are the less educated that is why so many information was lost and the one that reach us is on legend mode.
maybe that's for the best in most fiction humans are always seen as the good guys the ones we should root for may Grrm is trying to tell us this isn't one of those story
The Order of the Green Hand Maybe the long winter(s) doesn’t last forever? Do people in the summer Isle and Sothoryos have myths about the Long Night? If not then it will just kill people in cooler parts of the world and retreats and let life expand once again
hey there, fã from brasil here... got really exited just reading the tittle, awesome topic. Just wanna say that i loved to see about the podcast you guys are going to do with Preston Jacobs, really good news for me, could not be a better assemble, cant wait to hear it. Best wishes from brasil
Great job, Amazing video, can’t wait for the ironborn. Can’t even imagine how many hours took you guys to make the research and the video! Thank you 🙏🏽
What if the "black blood of demons" was just the lava? I'm not dissing your video btw, I love your detailed analyses and the fact you come up with complex theories that the other channels don't. And your theories are more ASOIAF based so more interesting and in-depth than just lookig at the show.
I think giants in the earth are just their way of referring to seismic activity. When there's an earthquake it really does feel like giants below you are moving around, waking up.
TheLux008 ...and Dragons in the sky are meteor showers. The Doom was a meteor impact, the Long Night followed, as the sky turned dark of smoke and blocked the sun. The atmosphere cooled and winter came.
I always liked the theory their was a second Moon and it blocked out the sun before it was destroyed. The lack of the second Moon could be why the seasons got screwed. Maybe we should call pain from Naruto to fix it using plantery devastation lol
The doom of valyria happened long after the long night, many thousands of years after....in fact, the Valyrian freehold didn't even exist when the Long Night occurred
@@post-leftluddite I was referring to the Long Night 1.0, not the Doom of Valyria. I think we can state it fact that dragons existed long before Valyria even existed. So my guess is: dragons were around in the Dawn Age when LN1.0 happened. Perhaps the "falling star" was a dragon?! Maybe, maybe it was a fallen star literally.
Sounds like Attack on Titan
The Others would be ice giants from the Children of the Forest’s point of view
Tom Dean - ok, that's got me thinking. Song is about different viewpoints/perspectives, right? Anyway, why does no one ever mention the Heart of Winter? It's not a question of why the Others came back, they've been around all along, if we believe the Free Folk... Question is, what makes them step forward now? In Bran's flying dream, he sees the reason why he must live and change, waiting at the Heart of Winter, beyond the aurea borealis of the Ice+FireWorld. Description sounds-to me-like it's the northern pole, the strongest force there would be magnetism... Hell, I'm sorry, was just thinking out loud. That's what you get for making me think (:
I hope the books to come do the others/white walkers more justice than that sorry excuse of a finale season, on the show we learned next to nothing, I am sure GRRM will do much, much, better, if he ever finishes the books of course. Thanks for your insightful take on this from the books, keep up the good work.
Even the hammer of the waters would be an effect of seismic activity. An earthquake under the fourteen flames would easily result in the Doom. "Giants in the earth". This is why I love this channel. I think the "horn of Joramun " was actually a ritual, with a name that when interpreted literal, leads one to think this was an actual horn, and maybe blowing a horn is part of the ritual. Waking the Others as a result makes so much sense as well.
George RR Martin probably watch this channel and thinks” well they figured out everything, I don’t need to release anymore books
hahaha...I'd settle for learning he's heard of us
them and freaking Preston!😂😂😂
They enterteined us while GRRM hasn't published books but at the same time they are the very reason GRRM no longer writes, lol
Sounds like something GRRM would do/write
LOL
The Order of the Green Hand did you get Greenhand gold from somewhere? His official coin maker or something?
Children of the forest : THE WAR IS WON !!!! PRAISE THE OLD GODS !!!
First men : Hold my beer .....
Actually, the old gods became old when westeros adopted the seven, si technicaly, it's just the gods...
There definitely seems to be an undercurrent within the story of "elementals", Fire, Ice, Water, Forests, Sky or stars, and possibly more, being the old Gods "beyond counting". I'd love to know where Grrm is taking us. Come on Winds of winter! Great job Love QOT.🌹 😊
"The Ice Dragon" = The Others, "The Shadow Cat" = Lion of Night, "The Moonmaid" = Maiden Made of Light, and "The Sword of the Morning" = The First King
Lady Green Hand: SO, let’s do THIS!
ME: *SCREAMS*
hahaha! love this!
I am so enthralled with the way you guys pointed out just how good a fighter Mance is whilst being glammared as The Lord of Bones. Mance has not once been renowned as such a skilled warrior once until he easily beat a battle hardened Lord Snow
I don't really see the connection between the doom and the breaking, and the relevance to Bran's dream. The one word you're hinging on to make it work is the mention of "blood" in Bran's dream and the doom passage, where in the doom it was "the blood of demons", as in fiery volcanic meteors, while in Bran's dream it was "thick black [faceless] blood" which could be connected to Qyburn and Gregor/Robert Strong or Faceless Men, but not Valyria. That doesn't mean the Faceless men didn't cause the doom, but I question it's connection to the breaking.
Did you watch the video? They outline several other similarities before mentioning the blood
@@brandonjeffi5976 They are not saying that they don't see the connection between the doom and the h.o.w., but the connection with those two AND Bran's dream. The all three, not just the two.
Yes
Yaaassss!!!!!! I have been itching for you guys to drop another video. How awesome is it that you mentioned King Hoare and his link to black blood. IIRC, one of the Maesters (cant remember who) mentioned the Hoare line descended from the Andals which created a line of black haired, black eyed and black hearted kings. Which immediately makes me think of Euron and his black hair and one great black eye, and how spooky is it that he has a underling named Harran Half-Hoare. I think Euron is Harren the Black come again with his slave blood sacrifices, only his version of Harrenhall is the Silence on the Sea. I'll be re-watching this video until the next one drops. Awesome job Greenhand!! Love you guys!!
After a long, hot day at a job with no air conditioning, it's soooo nice to come home and see a new video! Let's do this!!!
This is a little off topic, but when watching your dorne and aegon videos it crossed my mind that the stories of Aegon and Nymeria are strikingly similar to one another.
Both figures go and conquer divided kingdoms after the destruction of their homeland and create their own unified kingdoms out of the chaos.
Aegon witnesses the destruction of the Freehold during the Doom, Nymeria witnesses the destruction of the Rhoynar at the hands of the dragon lords.
Aegon went on to unify a divided Westeros while we see Nymeria unify a divided Dorne.
Just thought it was a neat coincidence is all.
Francis Ivan Xavier7vs13 it’s sad that their raves could never get along they could’ve counqured the world I also feel like the wrong people were born at the wrong time if she had been born then they might have gotten along since polygamy is a thing in their society
Well, Aegon was born almost a hundred years after the doom
Love your videos! My favorite one is still the one dissing the whole Rheagar and Lyanna thing. I was laughing hysterically throughout the whole thing.
You know... considering the yin/yang thing, I have to wonder if there might be some pendulum effect going on here. The idea is to try to achieve a balance... but when the pendulum swings too far into darkness, it's swing back to the light is inevitable... isn't it? The farther it swings into darkness, the farther that pendulum is going to swing back into the light. So... perhaps we could consider that the Hammer of the Waters was a swing one way... and the doom of Valeria was a swing back the other way - though one's cause was frozen fire and the other fire... with the goal being a natural balance. I mean... it's hard for me to put the children on one side and the realm of men on another - because they are both living realms, and we are led to believe that this ultimate battle is between life and death. It's just confusing to try to keep everything straight, but I'm pretty sure we are looking for the Goldy Locks world... not too much magic, not too little.... not too much light, not too much darkness... not too much fire, not too much ice... The answer is to balance chaos and order... not for one to dominate the other... isn't it?
The Others were woken by Hot Pie discovering the secret of browning the butter first. It smelled damn good and now they are heading to the Inn at the crossroads to get themselves some pies.
This would certainly be the story's plot if it had been written by Terry Pratchett!
God I love these theories. You don't mind if I binge watch all of them? Again
Best. ASOIAF. Theories. Ever
Now feed me more of that high quality content
MsCastle Preston Jacobs eats these theories for breakfast then pulls a Tywin and shits them out gold.
Was starting to think the others took you! Looking forward to quality production as usual!
The theories claim that Bran's birth awoke them in the current story. Even though they were active long before even Rickard Stark was born
Jggh
Awoke when Varys was cut
Old Valyria sounds like Atlantis.
Why can't the stone giant be Gregor? "A giant made of stone". Half (or a third) of the Titan is made of copper (iirc) and Gregor Clegane is the mountain that rides. And mountains are made of stone. It makes sense in the context of the scene with Bran talking about the King's party, Sandor ("with the face of a hound") and Jaime ("golden and beautiful" just as Bran describes him in his dreams of being pushed from the tower "things I do for love"). Also about the "black blood of demons" it could be tar or something a volcanic matter.
this is how i read it as well, just fits too perfectly rather than the titan which requires a lot more argument, guesswork and stretching
You guys are still rocking the theories, absolutely eye opening. Hbo should hire you as researchers.
If the same kind of magic that destroyed Valyria was used on the Arm of Dorne long before the Doom, I think it wasn't the Children of the Forest who broke the Arm. I think the First Men did it. If they were fleeing from the evils brought on by the Blood Betrayal they might want the added protection of the Narrow Sea, which would include the deities known to live there.The Lion of Night and his demons would have to contend with the Mother Royne and her children before they made theIr way to the Stepstones after crossing the Bones, if they were so inclined. I mean why would the Lion of Night stop at the Great Empire of the Dawn? Unless something or someone prevented him from spreading his wrath westward toward the Narrow Sea and into Westeros? Also, why do we believe the version of the Breaking recorded by the Maesters in the WOIAF? Perhaps Brandon the Builder went east after building the Wall and helped beat back the forces of the Lion of Night and then built the Five Forts? The legends say the Last Hero treated with the Children of the Forest, but that could have happened in Essos with the Ifequevron or Wood-walkers.
This just occurred to me. The Breaking and the Dum were geological events. If both happened simultaneously, there could be enough volcanic ash to cause a global cooling event. If Winter hits at the same time, then the Long Night = A long Winter + Global Cooling by volcanos. Then there is the world getting darker due to the ash in the air.
If the other grew in strength due to the mass sacrifice as well, causing the erratic winters in the first place. Then the world of ASoIaF is messed up due to the acts of men. Thus making it a metaphor for man-made climate change.
A real-world example of this is The Great Collapse. It is thought that an Icelandic volcano erupted and its ash cloud hung over the Mediterranean and Middle east. Causing food shortages and eventually the collapse.
Why you do that? Get me hooked on the cliff hanger, and make me wait. MOAR! haha
Yeah, I agree, the Children of the Forest definitely created the Others. But I don't think they control the Others as much as they (or we) may think; Just like Targaryens and their Dragons, The Others have wills of their own. It might be a Green Seer Child with an Other is like A Warg and their Wolf; not complete control but it isbfor life (and second life?)
Blood and corpses were also described as black in Old Norse texts. It’s usually referring to it being dark and related to death and not so much their actual color
I'm new to the channel, but I'm super impressed by the level of detail in the videos I've seen so far.
thank you
Whenever the Others appear, they always seem to come during great times of turmoil, when Westeros is least prepared and already at war. The first time being the war with the First Men against the Children of The Forest and the Giants. Now, with the War of the Five Kings along with Daenerys' invasion, which seems to correspond with the First Men's invasion.
They woke to stop catelyn
Brilliant 😂
The Stoneheart must be stopped! ÒwÓ
As always, amazing work! This theory is way better than the show version of children of the forest stabbing one guy to make the “night king” and that is it. There’s similarities between the two ideas, but yours is much more developed
Thanks guys for the great vids, always times up with work here in Aus so make the day better
Ahh that ending. So good!
Speaking of a massive tidal wave in one of the Victorian chapters when he is waiting for the lost iron fleet ships in the island of monkeys and stocking on pork it mentions that when the doom happened a massive wave broke all the trees when it passed so that pretty much confirms there was a tsunami in one thus both of those instances.
Perhaps a linear/ circular path from the Valeria to that island would yield interesting observations on how truly devastating the doom was. What I'm most interested is if the wave reached that island did it reach Dorne? And is there a subtle mention of it? Might explain those caves...
You’re back! Love your vids. Hope all is better with you and yours!
YES. Thank you again m'lord and m'lady!!!!
Thank you for your patience
The Order of the Green Hand happy to wait. Waiting on pins and needles for the ironborn
I find the Iron Born and the Drowned God fascinating and I can’t wait for those videos. This is a really interesting theory. The greatest threat to the living was sort of an oopsie side effect of some hard core magic. Really reinforces the fact that all magic has a price that is paid by the ones wielding it.
This is why I am so excited for Fire & Blood to come out because I honestly feel like there is information contained within that is pertinent to the main series. We all know George's world has gotten so expansive that he probably needed to take a step back and write more history just to fill in gaps that he wouldn't sufficiently be able to do within the last two books. It's short-sighted of people to get angry about Fire & Blood coming out before TWOW, imo.
This is why yours is The Only Game of Thrones content I recommend to people
Kvothe I'd also recommend Preston Jacobs
What springs to mind is Macumber from the show, and Oberyn's line "Some believe the sky is blue because we live inside the eye of a blue-eyed giant." Makes you wonder!
PS- Guys, I believe some of the German Nazis spoke of "the giants" that would join them in The Reich but to them "the giants" merely represented "the supermen", giants of power and "purity of blood" I believe - it doesn't actually mean giants as creatures of incredible size but incredible power instead. How can we be sure that GRRM didn't mean "giants" in that usage rather than the common parlance?
That’s very close to where I was originally going with it until we remembered the legend of the ice giants
Not necessarily Frederick the Great of Prussia was obsessed with the idea of having an army of giants. And to some extent he got one he had an entire regiment of the vertically. The shortest man in that regiment was 6'7 or 6'8.
Great video. Looking forward to the Ironborn video. Noticed you tacked on a pic of Harwyn Hoare near the end. In Brans falling vision when he sees the giant armored in stone with black blood. The "armored in stone" part always made me think of the Titan of Braavos. But the black blood makes me think of House Hoare. Harren and his sons in Harrenhall, the black blood of House Hoare, was armored in stone. There is a line in the world book when Aegon and Harren the Black parley outside Harrenhal,"
Yield now," Aegon began, "and you may remain as Lord of the Iron Islands. Yield now, and your sons will live to rule after you. I have eight thousand men outside your walls."
"What is outside my walls is of no concern to me," said Harren. "Those walls are strong and thick."
"But not so high as to keep out dragons. Dragons fly."
"I built in stone," said Harren. "Stone does not burn."
To which Aegon said, "When the sun sets, your line shall end."
Is this giant some descendant? I know Harren's brother was Lord commander at the Wall at that time.
The building and destruction of Harrenhal (to me anyway) is like a mini doom of Valyria. thousands of captives/slaves died to build a great monument to a proud King These captives/slaves must have prayed for death like the slaves in the Valyrian mines.
The Children must have been angered by the destruction of the weirwods to make the rafters and beams, and all this on the shores of the Gods Eye in full view of the isle of Faces. Could the CotF have somehow influenced Aegon to come to Westeros to bring an end to this?
tbh i read it as bran seeing the hound, jamie and lastly the undead mountain, since his head was sent to appease dorne. so when he lifts his visor theres nothing underneath, other than whatever bile and blood qyburns experiments left behind
@@ShadeStormXD Hope you're having a merry christmas. The scene reads like it's the Mountain(I agree) and it probably is but this was a Greenhand vid so your always looking for that alternative explanation.
The thing about this scene (IMO)is that everything that Bran sees is happening at that moment(more or less). It doesn't read like a prediction of the future. The 'storm' ahead of Cat and ser Rodrick could be the drama they're heading into in Kings Landing but in the next Cat chapter she recalls a storm they hit off Dragonstone.
In my own personal head canon(at the moment lol) the stone giant is Littlefinger (Titan of Braavos Baelish sigil). Who knows? It could just be as simple as you say and it's the Mountain.
That was just amazing. A neat way to explain the big tidal wave that caused the Broken Arm of Dorne.
Great video again. Always love the production quality. I do have a question, because I look at the Others and Long Night from an angle I don’t see among theorists and I wonder if I’m just an idiot or perhaps it’s too simplistic.
I see the whole thing as an anthropomorphism of the seasons. You guys touch on this with the Valrians representing summer and the Others representing winter. The Others are quite literal with “The enemy doesn’t bring the storm, he is the storm” and countless other quotes towards that. I imagine you guys will touch on that some more.
But if that’s the case and it is just an analogy (in the extreme) of the seasons, the Long Nights are coming no matter what and not as a result of man interference. It would seem to simply be caused by the planet’s obviously extreme elliptical orbit and the comet has a similar orbit and happens to pass the planet (I hesitate to use “Planetos”) around the time of the season change. Also, the seasonal change happens to intensify the power of magic. So if anything woke The Others from their seasonally opposite hibernation, I suppose it would be the comet signaling season change. This would fit to me as an extreme orbit would account for the apeshit seasons and would make sense for the people to not realize it yet because the LN’s are separated by 8,000 years or more and they only have a rough account of the last one. So they certainly wouldn’t have an account of the LN’s prior to that, so they wouldn’t have enough info to catch the pattern yet.
On a deeper philosophical note, if this is the case (in one form or another), then it could easily be argued that the characters in this world (especially the principals like the Others/God of Death, Valarians/Rhilor etc) don’t actually posses free will. They are predetermined to perpetuate this cycle over and over. Ultimately the Others will reign during LN/winter, and the opposite will reign during summer. It would be like if us on earth had to actually fight a physical enemy to bring the next spring.
I've been holding my breath waiting for this video!.. So now I'm watching through the weirwood net. Lol
TO SHOW YOU THE POWER OF FLEX TAPE
I CRACKED THIS HORN IN HALF.
gl sounding it Sam!
Great video as always guys!!! It must take forever to make, record and edit these videos...your time and energy is much appreciated!!
I think the tidal wave associated with Jorumans Horn taking the wall down would be the wall itself, it's a giant frozen wave that would crash down. Great video as always!
Thank god they're back! more videos plz
Love your videos. I'm hooked. Love the Arthur Dayne theory too.
Great video as always, interested to see how this topic will shake up. I personally think that Giants of the Earth is more referring to a deity class (drowned god, , the great other, the guy hanging out in the caves in essos where no one goes and comes back, some fiery version. A class like tolkiens maiar/ainur. Ice/fire>water/earth>valyrians/children>men. I think that the children are able to call upon the Giants of the Earth in relation to the event of doom that occurs. IE, call upon the drowned god for the hammer of water, what fire giant there is for the doom of valyria. Call upon the giant of ice to create the others. A race perhaps that predates the children /valyrians that may be embodiments of ice/fire or still below the two main balancing forces. Sorry if that's abstract, keep up the good work
Another great vid...you two seem to be the only ones giving some real thought to this masterpiece!
Using my geologic comprehension: the giants caused a MASSIVE claw impact UNDERNEATH the crust of the planet causing the claw-shaped set of islands where the land bridge once was.
The planet is just one large dragon egg.
Except a claw of a dragon to dwarf the size of the wall when it returns to set the planet back on course.
You two need to stop making me rethink things every time I watch your video!! Great stuff
FINALLY! i was doing a marathon your vids again and again this week!
Just found you guys randomly and so happy I did! Great video, I subscribed and looking forward to more 😃
Thank you so much
They are one of the few GoT related channels on youtube that are not just vomiting out the most popular reddit theories to try and get views. It is quite refreshing. Even if all of their theories end up being wrong i still find it more enjoyable than listening to a video about some shit i have already heard 1000 times.
Let’s do this! Hope you guys add having a great summer, when’s the royal wedding?
i just love you guys so much. thank you for another awesome video!😊
You seem to have cold
I hope you feel better soon.
Really like your videos.
Thank you
You guys are the best fan theory channel on UA-cam.
Can't wait to see what you'll amaze us with this time!
Off topic. Why does king robert get so much hate. He fought a war jon arryn started to save lyanna his best friends sister. Yes he is a drunk and womenizer. But tell me. Robert has to deal with tywin who is stern and rains of castamere. His wife cersie hates him and threatened to kill him when joffery cut open a cat. Jaime would have killed him if cersie got hurt. Even barristan selmy would have killed him if he smilled at the dead babies. Then you have the counsel. Pycelle who is tywins man. Little finger who stole money from the realm and caused the death of his father jon arryn. Varys who wanted to get the dragons back so he was never his friend. 2 brothers who he never really knew and never loved who plotted behind him. Children who all hated him and cried when he held them. But his bastards loved him but cersie made sure they were rid of. Plots all behind his back. Im not surprised he almost went mad at all that crazy in kings landing. And debt. Now it makes sense why he wanted ned to be his hand. Ned was his brother and they loved each other and jon arryn. Robert wanted a friend who he could actually trust. And when all hell broke loose. Robert and ned died. And how does the world and fans remember him. Poor stupid lyanna. Poor hero idiot rhegar. Drunk robert. Honorable ned. And worst part. Most his bastards are dead. Realm he never wanted destroyed. His home both of them taken by targarean and little finger. And the brotherhood without banners use to be good for the people and fought for roberts name. Now cat monster tully made them into monsters to kill the same as frey. Truly robert had a messed up story and cat even made ned distrust robert and want to leave. Poor robert for winning and saving everyone. Yes he should have gave stannis his thanks that is his fault. But robert is still a tragic charcater same as ned and more need to know this. He may be a drunk. But he was never a leader. He was a warrior with honor
ivanbluecool well I don't know about the others but i didn't like Robert because he only truly fought for pride. I thought that lyanna loved him at first, until I read the books. She didn't care for him because he would've slept with any woman, dismissing her even though they were married. Robert fought over lyanna as if she was his property, he even said that she belonged with him, ignoring or being ignorant of her lack of affection towards him. For Robert this was about his ego, he couldn't let someone take what he felt was his by right. The fact that she didn't want to marry him was irrelevant to him. Also when tywin had rhaegar's children murdered Robert did nothing about it. No excuse for that b.s. when I first read about that I initially agreed with them saying it prevented a future civil war, but soon realized that there were better ways to do that. No excuse for what tywin did because he did it out of revenge against aerys and to gain favor with Robert.
@@joshuasepeda3289 like lyanna is so innocent. She is a hypocrite. Says Robert would not stay to one bed and she goes off with rhegar who is married. Doubke standered much. If rhegar stole her away instead. Then rhegar deserves to die as scum. Either way. But George said rhegar died for his love lyanna so it was conseual so lyanna did thr same thing. Robert was unspoken for at the time. Of course he would sleep with girls. He had no promises yet. Same as when nobody faults ned if he slept with ashara or the fishermen daughter. Funny enough. Brandon her own brother who she knew all her life was a womanizer and lyanna said nothing about that. Another double standards of lyanna stark. Robert didn't start the war. Jon aryyn and rickard stark and Brandon did. Would you have Robert and ned die instead. Robert had to win her back it was both arrogance and pride but of he didn't all of them would have died. Yes Robert slept with women in thre battle of the bells. But many of them didn't know if they would for today or tommorow. Nobdoy faults ned for having jon. Cat never blames ned. She blames Jon. Robert doesn't have a right to claim her as his own. But lyanna is not as noble as people think she is. Its a grey story. Lyanna had shades as well. And her shade is saying hypocritical comments about Robert when she did it herself. Tywin is a smart man. He knew the targareins needed to die one way or another. He did it to secure his house. You can't fault him for that to get into roberts good favors to get a pardon and marry his daughter to the crown. I feel the targareins would be killed either way or else dorne would be the enemy it always would be and arm the targareins with the crown. Nobdoy liked Robert anyways if he just killed the prince. All houses would just join thr babies and dorne would show its equal rights and crown rhaneis as queen and lose the war and more death would become made. Plus they would not help dany as she and viserys would have more claim as mad king disowned rhegars dorne kids. So Robert may have been old fashion. But he did love her to an extent. He loved ned as well and hed death brought them back to being friends. That's my take. Lyanna is not innocent. She had means to stop the madness. Poor Jon either way if he is neds or rhegars. A bastard or his world would crash as a targareon
Nobody gives Sansa the same leeway they give Lyanna and Joffery was her betrothed at least, same goes for Rhegar who is much worse in fact imo.
@@GhostEmblem I feel the same. Makes matters worse. Lyanna was 15 way older and did somethibg even more stupid. Sansa gets it for telling on ned and being in her fantasy of knights and chivalry even after she gets rescued from kings landing and ned dies. Sansa would be the same as lyanna getting rhe head of winterfell in danger. But lynna gets away with it for being a "strong women for making the land bleed and killing her family" nope. Whether or not lyanna did it for love or escape. She is guilty like rhegar and everyone sees them as heroes. They are not. They sre idiots. And george will show us that as everyone sees them as a teagic romance anf George said he will reveal more about them so we can see the stupid they are. I hooe jon isn't thier kid as he js basically a tool for readers. He is the son of yadda yadda. Who cares who his dad is. George saif jon isn't a hero so jon will have a role to play. A d it won't be rhegar saving thr world but Jon who learned from ned. The probably true hero of the story for all his work raising his kids to know what to do when the time comes for it
@Ivanbluecool I personally believe people hate Robert not for his qualities but for his lack thereof. Humans have this instinct to give more to their leaders we sacrifice our own foods and wealth to those who rule so that when things are hard they will sacrifice them self to save their followers. This is why we have what seems like double standards for those in power. It is due to the fact we expect more out of them for the sheer fact that they are in charge and this will always be the case due to human nature. So in short any character that is lacking in leadership is going to be hated if they are in a potion of Power like Robert, but to make matters even worse we were introduced to Ned along with Robert very early on and their close friendship only helped to magnify the fact of how poor a leader Robert really was.
Have you read "The Ice Dragon" by GRRM? It pre-dates anything written about SoIaF, and the battling kingdoms in it cannot be placed. You have to uncomfortably shoehorn the setting in. But there are huge, huge, huge similarities that really jump out at you such that it looks very much like a proto-Westeros, I won't spoil the story for you and any other reader except one little facet. Anyway, my point, during winter, the Ice Dragon appears and it is much bigger than any dragon the King's riders' have. But the Ice Dragon only comes in Winter. Here's the spoiler part: the enemy kingdom's dragons are winning the war and come to the girl's village, the Ice Dragon she is connected to comes to save her. But this occurs in the middle of summer, until then, she's never seen him in summer. It's clearly only come to save her as it senses that she is in extreme danger. The Ice dragon in summer is still quite strong and powerful to be sure but is much smaller, less grand, is constantly melting, and is far, far weaker than it is in winter.
Been looking forward to this! : ) The Others are a key aspect of the Old Powers, and we know so little. I have also come to terms with the fact that the Breaking and the Doom were the same event, seen from different accounts and perspectives. Also, isn't it strange how often we are drawn back to Bran III, more than any other chapter in the entire series?
That falling dream is loaded with information
It is truly amazing how George wrote that chapter, so early with so much information. He says he doesn't like writing when he knows where the story is going, but the layers of mystery and foreshadowing in the first novel are too impressive to believe that.
Glad to here that your mother's doing better also I just wanted to let you know that their is another group of gaints in the east called Jhogwin is the Dothraki name[1] for the stone giants that once inhabited the Realm of the Jhogwin, the northernmost region of the snowcapped Krazaaj Zasqa in northern Essos. They were massive creatures, said to have been twice as large as the giants of Westeros.[2]
Brilliant as always guys
maybe the old gods are similar to those native american lore, where they are literally part of the flora and fauna, the earth. and so clearing it all away in the name of some gods from another place woke up an ancient power within it all. it's protecting itself.
i like the part with the faceless men's meddling (they're always involved when sh*t goes down), and the inference about the giant in Bran's dream being Littlefinger and not the mountain (#refreshing), but on the rest i failed to see the innovation (which is what i usually expect from your theories)... there are so many more factors to keep in mind: the andals, the pact(s), the previous long night(s) and its (their?) resolution(s), dragons in westeros, plus the fact that the doom was several hundreds of years past current events. And to add to the tinfoil: the night's king, the starks in winterfel, the sacrifices (tie queen Allysane), Craster sacrificing his boys for some decades, the "meeting" during Dany's wedding, the magic awakening and so on...
I can't wait for the ironborn series. This is very interesting. But I have a question, if you guys think the others are woken by this kind of sacrifices, then where do they go once they fulfill the wish? Do they just stay in the land of always winter or they just disappear as some kind of gods that only came to fulfill the wish? And what cataclysm woke them up now at the very start of a game of thrones? Lovely video guys! Loved it! Hugs for you!
hey Ana...it seems to me that the Others bring with them an underworld of sorts...a world of darkness and death, where the undead serve them as minions...we think they woke the first time when the Children used the Hammer of the Waters to break the arm of Dorne, and the second time when the Faceless Men used the Hammer of the Waters to break Valyria (the Doom of Valyria)
the Hammer of the Waters wakes them...the Doom of Valyria was the second successful execution of the Hammer of the Waters...the same thing woke them both times
The Order of the Green Hand I would wait for the big ironborn video where you would cover the "others/city". So you think the children summon then again or do they now have their own agenda? I wonder what cataclysm is coming next to round the numbers. Hugs for you!
SO what your saying is the ANdals commited genecide on to groups of people the first men and Vaylarians
The Breaking of The Doom down! Nice work..
Current guess, Lord manderly, the Lord of old wyk, and our favorite Pentoshi Magister sat down at the same time a lot faster than anyone expected.
Love the video. I just see the giant made of stone as a mountain, the Mountain. Looking over the Hound and Arya as they need to kill him together
As usual great work! I don't agree with a few things you theorize, but I won't be shocked if it turns out you are 100% correct.
My immediate reaction is that you overlooked the multiple instances of Sworn Brothers of the Nights Watch declaring that they are "black of blood" which cannot be coincidence. I know Bloodraven says it to Bran, and off the top of my head I believe Yoren says it to Ned after racing to KL with the news of Tyrions arrest, and I'd bet it's said elsewhere multiple times. Haven't had time to let it digest completely, but it sure has the feel of a once religious catechism that over the centuries has lost it's true meaning, yet is so ingrained in the mythos of Sworn Brotherhood, it is still used frequently, even while lacking it's deeper meaning. If I'm right, and you as well, this could be the first hard evidence of NW and WW sharing a history that was not always one of opposition. Could be those Heresy threads got this one right.
bryantaylor9874 Or the NW wants to set itself apart from the rest of Westeros, especially the noble houses. The NW takes no part, so the members don't say they are of andal, FM, Stark, or whatever houses blood. Instead they say they have black blood, for a sense of unity.
That was more important back in the days when most of the NW were knights, but the saying outlived the Targaryens.
Perhaps the night's watch were once undead themselves? That could explain their black blood.
Bartimaeus of Uruk
No doubt they say it in modern times to distinguish themselves as a separate entity but it's a peculiar choice of words considering they already have unique titles for themselves such as black brothers, sworn brothers, sword in the darkness etc. What I find most curious is how black of blood doesn't seem to be taught to new recruits, or used frequently at Castle Black, so how is it that so many Brothers use that term to describe themselves. One clue lies in the fact that it seems to be used exclusively by older brothers, all of whom are Rangers, or former Rangers that now command from the highest positions in the NW. This isn't the first time we hear of dark secrets known only to Rangers. Remember that Craster's sacrifices were so secret that even LC Mormont was unaware of it until acting First Ranger Ryker informed him, and in later chapters Jon mentions files of information known only to the LC. In Jon's case the secrets he mentions are about Brothers, not of darker knowledge, but there may be more that Jon has yet to uncover. Considering the unique situation at the Wall; Stannis, Wildlings, the LC not living in the LC's quarters, it's not a stretch to imagine secrets Jon hasn't found yet that he would have by now in normal times. Mormont certainly knew much more about things north of the wall, just reread his talk with Jon the morning after Jon tried to desert, as did the Halfhand, and the rest of veteran Rangers. His message sent to Mormont as they retreated was "tell him the trees have eyes again". The Halfhand expecting Mormont to understand that message proves the LC knows a lot more than we've been told.
I'll wrap this up for now, but don't forget that we know for sure the origins of the NW differ greatly from the accepted history. The time line of the War for the Dawn, the creation of the Wall, the founding of the NW, and the exploits of the Nights King, is confusing and contradictory, if the accepted history of these events are true, so it can't be. So many hints and clues surrounding the NW, the Wall, the Rangers, the Others, the Nights King, and most of all the Starks. It isn't coincidence, and all we know for sure is that what we're told is the truth, isn't even close to what really happened.
That makes a ton of sense bryantaylor9874. It seems to me that the main secrets they seem to possess focus around the black gate and child sacrifice, the night fort and their black blood. There has been a mention of tree soldiers in the text a few times too, so I do wonder if the weapon the CoTF gave them the ability to create fire wights in exchange for blood sacrifice (unwanted children) to the weirwoods. The way I see it they would in essence be firey tree soldiers so to speak. It could even be why the right to the first night was first started...
If you wanted to get ultra tin foil about it this could even have been a poisoned gift the children gave to the NW in that they were using these sacrifices to create more Others, knowing full well that the reasons for the sacrifice (i.e fire wights) would be forgotten over time.
I'm in total agreement with u. As for my tin foil theory, although I believe wholeheartedly I'll be proven correct, it's that whatever actually happened between the Nights King and the Others will happen again, but this time with Stannis. I think Stannis is going to pull out a miracle win against Bolton, restore the North to Stark rule (likely Rickon but other possibilities exist), and then he'll find that all the good he did for the North will earn him not a damn thing. Once again Stannis, who always did his duty, who answered the desperate pleas for help when no one else would, who avenged the Starks by destroying the traitors, will find that no one will stand with him. It'll be like Renly getting Storms End and Ned getting the credit for ending the siege at the end of the rebellion all over again. Only a thousand times worse. Grrm lives history repeating itself after all. When this happens he'll retreat to the Nightsfort with a handful of men at best. Even Mel will abandon him by this time, and we'll see the man who would not bend finally break. It's been teased repeatedly since Clash. Enough so to be considered a true Chkalov's Gun. We'll see Stannis, abandoned by fire, embrace ice, and all the evil powers the darkness has to offer. Not sure exactly how that will play out, though certainly it will mirror what the Nights King did thousands of years earlier. It's a shame bc Stannis doesn't deserve the treatment he's been given his entire life. The rage he'll feel will turn the best commander in Westeros, if not the world, into the leader of mankind's enemy just in time to begin the new Long Night. With Grrm's penchant for breaking tropes there's a good chance mankind won't survive this time.
"One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound" is clearly Sandor, "Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful." is clearly Jamie and the third is The Mountain (zombie)
why would the Mountain have stone armor? it seems to me that the third shadow was a mystical being that was watching them...the Mountain wasn't there
@@TheOrderoftheGreenhandBecause mountains are made of stone.
So good. So damn good. Thank y'all!
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Jenny of old stones and the blood of nearly all the royals at summer hall is the REAL reason. I know you didn't say that but you made me think it.
Long availed video! Thank you, The Order of the Green Hand! Lots of love from Belarus 🇧🇾❤️
I'm late... but i'm here let's do this 🤓👂
Wow you guys are smart. I’ve been reading asoiaf lore for years and never put the doom and creation of the stepstones together
Finally the ironborn!!!
The death of dragons is what woke the WW magic was out of balance giving them the opportunity to bring down the wall
I always thought the reference to giants waking in the Earth was a metaphor for earthquakes, that the Hammer of the Waters and the Horn of Joruman could cause massive amounts of seismic activity through some magical process. It's also worth noting that in the real world seismic activity does have a knock-on effect with volcanoes and can lead to eruptions. Interesting theories as always, great stuff.
I needed this. Thank you so much for your hard work.
Sounds like Bran's falling dream is referencing Gregor Clegane, rather than the Titan of Braavos.
a lot of people think that, but I don't understand why the Mountain would be there looming over everyone, from a literal or symbolic standpoint
The Order of the Green Hand I always got the impression that it was because the Mountain represents the brutal reality of knighthood. He is standing over the golden knight and the knight of flowers to show show how the institution of knighthood is tainted by that brutality, as well as to juxtapose it with common perceptions of knights.
This is just a part one video, right? Cause we need more.
there will be other videos related to what we talked about in this one, but we probably won't turn this into a series...the Ironborn series ties closely into some of the stuff we breezed over in this video
Hey orderofthegreenhand do you guys think the volantene and bravvos where and are in a alliance to destory the dragonlords in return for this deed done the next 100 years otherwise known as the century of blood the volantiene were paying for the debt they owed the bravvos in order to be the singular rulers of essos
As always, well worth the wait. Green Hand for eternity
Awesome video as always !! Also, who you got in the world cup ?
France v England in the final. France wins
The Order of the Green Hand Yeah my money is on france too, but I really think Croatia could and will beat England
Croatia probably has the best midfield left in the tournament...France's midfield is really good too...I tend to believe that the team that wins the midfield battle usually wins the game...England has significantly more firepower than Croatia and has the ability to set up in a manner that they can out physical Croatia's midfield, and Harry Kane has been the best player in the tournament thus far, and is showing no signs of stopping any time soon
The Order of the Green Hand yeah Harry Kane is on fire, but damn Croatia looked good against Argentina. Idk something in me says that Croatia has a more stable team. But it's football so anything can happen, especially this particular World cup. Craziest world cup I've ever witnessed
I see it as a low scoring game and I have more faith in Kane to get one in the back of the net than Mandzukic...this world cup has had quite a few upsets but I think the media are blowing it out of proportion...Spain losing to Russia didn't shock me...Germany getting knocked out did, but that happens in soccer sometimes...they couldn't get the ball in the back of the net...tournaments aren't like leagues where the cream rises to the top over the course of a long season...tournament play is more reliant on defense and grabbing opportunistic goals...Sweden is a perfect example...they are extremely organized on defense and wait for opportunities to counterattck and grab a goal...its why Mourinho is a good tournament coach and struggles in leagues...and why Italy usually goes pretty deep into tournaments and teams like Spain and France (who are usually more individually talented) don't
WOW!! This is one great channel!!
I'm so gonna watch a lot during the summer!!!
Thank you
I subscribe! I am blown away! And you guys have great voices!!
Thanks. I just got over the flu so I’m glad it wasn’t too noticeable
Don't you think that "waking giants from the earth" is just a metaphor for earthquakes? It seems to me that for a medieval people, giants in the earth sounds like a great explanation for an earthquake.
Just something I thought about, maybe food for thought: What if the ritual by the childrens greenseers actually caused the deaths of many ice dragons. They would melt, make the see rise and the land bridge disappear. And a small part of the living ice they are made of manifested into the others. That would also be in line with a statement George made, that the Others actually (loose quote) "follow the physics of my world".
And considering the focus of balance in the series, the death of Valyrias dragons might have something to do with another death wave amongst the ice dragons.
Been waiting for this all week!
The first cataclysm would be the destruction of the empire of the dawn which blasted the peninsula which afterward became known as the shadow beyond Asshai. It’s possible the others caused the catastrophe or were caused by it. Or maybe just saw an opportunity in a world with few dragons. When the doom happened the same circumstances resulted and the others awoke. The Empire of the Dawn arose through their strength with magic and dragons. Their arrogance and hubris lead to a disaster which ended the empire except for a western outpost Valeria. Valeria arose through strength of magic and dragons until arrogance and hubris lead to a disaster which ended the empire except for a western outpost, Dragonstone. The Targaryens began to create an empire in Westeros through the power of magic and dragons and cycle continues. The question is did the Dance of the Dragons end the cycle or just delay it.
Have a drink every time one of them says, quote on quote "quote on quote"
No Offence intended, long time fan. Keep it up you guys are brilliant!
do you mean they say it excessively? or they have it wrong? or do you have it wrong? I’m confused.
Fiiiiiiiiiiinaly!!!!!!! I hope lady greenhands mother is feeling better
Sorry for the wait. And thank you so much. m’lady’s mother is making tremendous progress
Glad to hear she's faring well!
The Order of the Green Hand I'm delighted to hear that she's making progress. It's a difficult journey for the patient and family. I'll keep all of you in my prayers, love QOT.🌹
Glad to hear she's doing better. Your iron born videos are going to be epic! That section of TWOIAF was one of the most interesting parts in my opinion
When I first read that line about the mountain towering over them, I thought it was referring to Gregor Clegane due to his connection to the Hound. However, I now think its both a reference to the Titan of Braavos, the ritual preformed there, and foreshadowing of the Mountain's fate.
After what Qyburn did to him, I doubt there is anything but black blood in his body.
Great video. Can't wait to your podcast with PJ..
Absolutely mind blowing! But the Titan of the Braavos has a face too, with fiery eyes, I think. I maybe wrong.
Congrats, great video. To me the Others represents balance, it is a way of GRRM tell us what he thinks about the actual world and the path mankind is taking. If you know the work of Graham Hancock he defends that already existed in the earth ancient civilizations with a great level of development and inter dependency, then cataclysms happen and civilization was reset. So I think that the Others are representing the balance in the world, when unbalance happens the others appear to bring balance. And in this world of Ice and Fire magic is the technology that generates great unbalance, and this is where magic beings restores balance. That is only my idea. Maybe stupid but only GRRM knows it. Eh eh eh.
the only issue I have with that is if the Others are successful, everyone and everything dies...a never ending winter with no light would kill every living organism on the planet
Yhap that is true, but it is like an Ice Age, and we have that in real world, some die and others endure. The ice age wipes out a massive amount of ou life, on the human side the one who survives are those less dependent on society and those are the less educated that is why so many information was lost and the one that reach us is on legend mode.
Wil you see Benfica vs Juventos? You Wil get two for the price of one, Benfica and Ronaldo. Eh eh eh
maybe that's for the best in most fiction humans are always seen as the good guys the ones we should root for may Grrm is trying to tell us this isn't one of those story
The Order of the Green Hand Maybe the long winter(s) doesn’t last forever? Do people in the summer Isle and Sothoryos have myths about the Long Night? If not then it will just kill people in cooler parts of the world and retreats and let life expand once again
hey there, fã from brasil here... got really exited just reading the tittle, awesome topic. Just wanna say that i loved to see about the podcast you guys are going to do with Preston Jacobs, really good news for me, could not be a better assemble, cant wait to hear it. Best wishes from brasil
thank you ser
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Is this for real? Im a huge PJ fan but i think you two are the ones right his errors.
this is for real...we're going to start doing podcasts with him and Carmine in the next few weeks...it should be interesting...and fun
The Order of the Green Hand tbh, you amd Preston will be interesting and well, oh well, Carmine might be funny, at times lol
The Order of the Green Hand tbh, you and Preston will be interesting and well, oh well, Carmine might be funny, at times lol
Great job, Amazing video, can’t wait for the ironborn. Can’t even imagine how many hours took you guys to make the research and the video! Thank you 🙏🏽
thank you...it takes more time than I'd care to admit
The Order of the Green Hand and that’s why the results are always a master piece!
thank you so much...we just love the challenge of trying to figure out what the heck is going on in this masterpiece of a series
What if the "black blood of demons" was just the lava? I'm not dissing your video btw, I love your detailed analyses and the fact you come up with complex theories that the other channels don't. And your theories are more ASOIAF based so more interesting and in-depth than just lookig at the show.
first of all...thank you...and we considered lava as a possibility when we were making this too, but we didn't understand why it would be black