It takes an awful lot of mental fortitude to lead as many as infinity goblins into battle, so I'm giving my vote for most powerful commander to Krenko, Mob Boss. Think of how difficult it was for Al Capone to lead Italians then imagine how much harder it would be to mash a bunch of goblins into a functioning mafia family. If doing that doesn't fit the definition of powerful, we're ascending to a plane of strength far higher than I can comprehend.
@@Tristan-2016my sauron deck runs Cultist of the Absolute to punish people harder for trying to target my commander "oh, your swords to plowsharing my commander? I'll make an orc, sac it to do a bunch of nasty things, and you gotta sacrifice a legendary creature or artifact and pay 3 life, oh you payed all that? I sac my commander in response, more nasty stuff, and he goes to my hand next turn"
I think my list would be…. Tymna&kraum, Jodah the unifier, Urza, Atraxa, Korvold, Kinnan, najeela. If I’m sitting across any of these I’m worried no matter the budget or the power level.
Let me tell you, as somebody who has a person in our play group that plays Atraxa, the Grand Unifier in casual, it is brutal despite his deck not being optimized. Turn 6/7 wins aren't uncommon and it really sucks that he downplays the power of his decks.
@@xaxscratchxax926 We will ;). We can't let him get away with his Smol Bean syndrome. His poor justification for running budget/terrible tapped lands and saying that makes it "fine" is also iffy. If anything, that makes it more frustrating because it's inconsistent but in a bad way!
My next deck I'm planning on making is K'rikk, Son of Yawgmoth with a focus on life manipulation/life exchange and draining effects. So I love that he made your list.
Great video! What I would personally appreciate is a mention regarding the best way to defend against/foil each of these commanders-i.e. what are their weaknesses. That might be a good idea for a future video -how to disrupt the most powerful decks we commonly see.
So many of the "top" decks share very similar play patterns and combos. It's like going to a car show and all the cars are the same except the paint colors.
It might be a LITTLE outdated, but I still kind of expected to see Breya, as far as just straight power level. I could see not wanting two artifact focused commanders on the list and can see Urza being higher, but it’s really difficult to lose with a good Breya deck as most tables.
Got a K'rrik deck back when Commander 2019 came out because I just loved the idea so much. Been slowly upgrading it over the years and he definitely deserves his spot. So many combos you can make easily. And my deck is pretty memey with a lot of big demons to play when I'm not comboing off, so that should tell you how nasty he can be.
Great video! I personally would have put Yawgmoth in the list, it's draw and removal and proliferate (+ the discard and sacrifice costs are usually advantages in his decks)
I have an Eleven the mage and Mike the dungeon master friends forever secret commander grave titan deck which is my favourite because it offers so much opportunity to have fun for everyone involved lol
I weirdly gravitate towards background commanders a lot. With partners less so but they are fine, that said i would have prefered them to not print as many 2colored ones. Then again the "partner with" is also interesting design space.
I like how you stated at the beginning you weren’t talking about cEDH then proceeded to name 7 cEDH commanders. Note: I am counting Tymna and Kraum separately here as they do not have to be partnered together.
I made atraxa, I call it my good stuff deck. I just filled with with all these great cards that I owned but never always found a place for. So far I've won every game with it which surprised me but she absolutely wrecks.
I'd say Winota should be on the list. Friend kf mine made a $50 Winota deck and we had to ask him to stop playing it because it just continually wrecked us. Sure you have to build around it a little bit, but it's self sustaining and doesn't even need to attack, it finds more bodies... it's bonkers. You basixlly have to hold up *all* your removal for her, or you get run over by indestructible stuff.
It seems like everyone needs at least one of these super high powered decks on reserve just because every pod seems to have "that guy" whose every deck is like this.
You know, looking at the list of good cards for Krrik, I think my Varragoth demon deck is just a Krrik deck in disguise. The only things that aren't in there is beseech, due to being an expensive ass card, Chainer because he's nightmare tribal. and Asmodeus, because he's a Devil instead of a Demon.
phyrexian metamorph cant copy ur commander cus ur not allowed to have to of the same legandary cards on the battle field at the same time. u could copy something else that isnt a legendary creature that u already control
Is Tegrid just SO stupidly powerful that nobody in their right mind would bother to use him (play against him) that prevents him from making this list?
Okay, so here’s my secret… if I really like a set . I’ll buy a collector booster… sell the value cards out of it to comp ALL the investment back and proxy the high dollar cards …
Only 2 of these commanders are best in the format good, and thats kinnana and blue farm. Korvold always gives me a chucklel with how hard people overrate him
@@spudster8887 ?? I mean najeela has the highest tournament winrate in the past 3-4 months with a statistically relevant p-value. So i dont think its 100% clear whoch deck is the best. Sisay also is insane and kenrith is just good. Sure bluefarm is def on top but id say its a close call between like the top 10 decks...
"We're not gonna list cEDH decks", proceeds to put a list of top tier or really strong cEDH commanders. Don't get me wrong, loved the video and liked the takes for normal decks, but I found it funny.
Old attraxa was a super strong proliferate build around that could be built many ways (counters, infect, planeswalkers) and in good colors. New attraxa is actually far more powerful in high power/cedh, due to the overall card selection and wincons at that level.
Card Kingdom literally doubles the price if not triples it and never has anything in stock when you need it. Figures they partner with everybody to advertise for them
I *know* you didn't just cast shade at OG Atraxa. My dude, she was the number one deck on EDHRec from the time she was printed to when they printed Grand Unifier. I thought you played this game 😮
@@DanyGiletto I wonder why it was the most popular? Could it have anything to do with how strong it was...? HRM. I wonder why there aren't other "weak but popular" commanders in the top 5 of all time. What a conundrum!
@@dac314 it was popular because its really easy to build around and has the 4 good colors in commander. But it is far from being one of the most powerful commanders in the format
@@michaelcollins4534 it was popular becuz it was very powerful, and could be built with multiple, powerful deck archetypes. Weird how the other 4 color commanders weren't the number one most popular commander for multiple years running. Almost like you're talking out your ass, how curious!
The most powerufl in the whole format? I love you guys, but like 2 of these are actually relevant to the topic, the rest are fantastic commanders but not top top tier. Kozilek being here is hilarious, pushed to its max its mid power at best
@@Archaonn You don't have to account for CEDH, the top cedh decks if you tone them down to high power casual are still going to be the best decks. Nejeela, winota, kinnan, kenrith, tymna/kraum, yuriko ect
So annoying when the green player blows up my winter orb and let's the atraxa player untap with 10 + mana... His excuse, "but muh lands!!' Bro didn't even get the turn passed back to him. (This was a casual tournament fyi)
It takes an awful lot of mental fortitude to lead as many as infinity goblins into battle, so I'm giving my vote for most powerful commander to Krenko, Mob Boss. Think of how difficult it was for Al Capone to lead Italians then imagine how much harder it would be to mash a bunch of goblins into a functioning mafia family. If doing that doesn't fit the definition of powerful, we're ascending to a plane of strength far higher than I can comprehend.
One day, I will meet you on Spelltable. On that day, I pray for Rakdos Charm, and tremble in fear of the goblin hoard!
Imagine if some of these got printed in the last year they would all have ward 2
Can I get ward 3?
@@NitpickingNerdsyou can have a Ward - Pay 3 life. As a treat.
Nah. It’d be ward - discard a legendary sorcery
Ward - mill 3, tear all cards milled this way in half
@@Tristan-2016my sauron deck runs Cultist of the Absolute to punish people harder for trying to target my commander "oh, your swords to plowsharing my commander? I'll make an orc, sac it to do a bunch of nasty things, and you gotta sacrifice a legendary creature or artifact and pay 3 life, oh you payed all that? I sac my commander in response, more nasty stuff, and he goes to my hand next turn"
I think my list would be….
Tymna&kraum, Jodah the unifier, Urza, Atraxa, Korvold, Kinnan, najeela. If I’m sitting across any of these I’m worried no matter the budget or the power level.
I just made an insane poison/proliferate Atraxa deck that kills everyone and it only cost me $50 because I had most of it in my collection!
Do you have the deck list on moxfield?
Let me tell you, as somebody who has a person in our play group that plays Atraxa, the Grand Unifier in casual, it is brutal despite his deck not being optimized.
Turn 6/7 wins aren't uncommon and it really sucks that he downplays the power of his decks.
Damn. Sounds like you gotta teach him a lesson.
@@xaxscratchxax926 We will ;). We can't let him get away with his Smol Bean syndrome. His poor justification for running budget/terrible tapped lands and saying that makes it "fine" is also iffy. If anything, that makes it more frustrating because it's inconsistent but in a bad way!
My next deck I'm planning on making is K'rikk, Son of Yawgmoth with a focus on life manipulation/life exchange and draining effects. So I love that he made your list.
Orcish Bo..Lumberjack is a powerhouse in Korvold. World Shaper is also a great sac target in the deck.
Great video! What I would personally appreciate is a mention regarding the best way to defend against/foil each of these commanders-i.e. what are their weaknesses. That might be a good idea for a future video -how to disrupt the most powerful decks we commonly see.
I know zhuly won’t be there but he is so fun to play he can be played at almost any power ( not budget obviously) and also big number= big dopamine
big numbers ARE good, can confirm
@@NitpickingNerds Idk man my bilbo deck is themed around the number 3 and that's weirdly satisfying.
@@1notdeadfred lighting bolt
So many of the "top" decks share very similar play patterns and combos. It's like going to a car show and all the cars are the same except the paint colors.
Welcome to cEDH friend. Who knew that playing to win could be so boring?
What do you think about Chulane? Was he close to making the list? He is definitely Top 10 worthy
Chulane, Yuriko, Tivit, and Winota are all knocking on the door of this list I think. Probably others too
I think yuriko definitely should be. You never have to actually cast her and basically win with extra turns and evasive creatures
It might be a LITTLE outdated, but I still kind of expected to see Breya, as far as just straight power level. I could see not wanting two artifact focused commanders on the list and can see Urza being higher, but it’s really difficult to lose with a good Breya deck as most tables.
Got a K'rrik deck back when Commander 2019 came out because I just loved the idea so much. Been slowly upgrading it over the years and he definitely deserves his spot. So many combos you can make easily. And my deck is pretty memey with a lot of big demons to play when I'm not comboing off, so that should tell you how nasty he can be.
K'rrik is a serious contender for suuure
I made a Shade kindred deck with K’rrik. Not super powerful, but he still makes you the target anyway.
Great video! Surprised at no Yuriko, but all understandable picks
Great video! I personally would have put Yawgmoth in the list, it's draw and removal and proliferate (+ the discard and sacrifice costs are usually advantages in his decks)
Yawgmoth is strong, but mono coloured decks will always be slightly disadvantaged just based on the lack of variety.
Another name for this list, top 7 commanders that you eye roll at when you see it’s being played
Feel like the reality chip from kamigawa is better than future sight in urza since it’s an artifact
Does anyone else not really care for partner commanders?
They were definitely not the most exciting cards, and the mechanic itself seems to be a pretty big design mistake
I have an Eleven the mage and Mike the dungeon master friends forever secret commander grave titan deck which is my favourite because it offers so much opportunity to have fun for everyone involved lol
I weirdly gravitate towards background commanders a lot.
With partners less so but they are fine, that said i would have prefered them to not print as many 2colored ones.
Then again the "partner with" is also interesting design space.
Malcolm and Breeches are fun. They mimic Tymna and Kraum but with pirates. It balances itself out that way.
I like how you stated at the beginning you weren’t talking about cEDH then proceeded to name 7 cEDH commanders. Note: I am counting Tymna and Kraum separately here as they do not have to be partnered together.
Some commanders are good in cEDH and also in casual commander
@@NitpickingNerds Of course cEDH commanders are good in casual. They typically overrun the table.
I made atraxa, I call it my good stuff deck. I just filled with with all these great cards that I owned but never always found a place for. So far I've won every game with it which surprised me but she absolutely wrecks.
I'd say Winota should be on the list. Friend kf mine made a $50 Winota deck and we had to ask him to stop playing it because it just continually wrecked us. Sure you have to build around it a little bit, but it's self sustaining and doesn't even need to attack, it finds more bodies... it's bonkers. You basixlly have to hold up *all* your removal for her, or you get run over by indestructible stuff.
Great channel - thank you for the fantastic content
Thanks for watching!
i noticed treasures and foods talked about but no Academy Manufacturer
No way I’m putting Tymna and Kraum in the command zone in a casual pod - even with restrictions - it’s the perception of them that’s unavoidable.
It seems like everyone needs at least one of these super high powered decks on reserve just because every pod seems to have "that guy" whose every deck is like this.
You know, looking at the list of good cards for Krrik, I think my Varragoth demon deck is just a Krrik deck in disguise. The only things that aren't in there is beseech, due to being an expensive ass card, Chainer because he's nightmare tribal. and Asmodeus, because he's a Devil instead of a Demon.
phyrexian metamorph cant copy ur commander cus ur not allowed to have to of the same legandary cards on the battle field at the same time. u could copy something else that isnt a legendary creature that u already control
Card Kingdom... Has no cards... Should be called Card Desert! 😂
😆 🤣
Do y’all happen to live in Chicago? Cuz it’s raining here and that doesn’t seem like coincidence that you mentioned it
Yeah, K'rrik, Gary, Chainer, and Viscera Seer equals "insta-win!" Yes, you need to get all 4 pieces OUT, but if you do...
I play atraxa cedh , but with only a few ramps. She goes crazy, if she is on the field
Yeah I hear she can really do some damage
Is Tegrid just SO stupidly powerful that nobody in their right mind would bother to use him (play against him) that prevents him from making this list?
Okay, so here’s my secret… if I really like a set . I’ll buy a collector booster… sell the value cards out of it to comp ALL the investment back and proxy the high dollar cards …
I’ve crushed all those decks with my prosch sky raider of. Kher
As a counterpart to urza, can i shoutout Arcum Dagsson? (And Ratadrabik of Urborg as an honourable mention)
no najeela, kenrith or sisay. I mean i expected a 5 colour pile.
Only 2 of these commanders are best in the format good, and thats kinnana and blue farm. Korvold always gives me a chucklel with how hard people overrate him
We are looking at commanders more so than decks, we mentioned this around 2:18. 5-Color goodstuff can have any commander
@@spudster8887 ?? I mean najeela has the highest tournament winrate in the past 3-4 months with a statistically relevant p-value. So i dont think its 100% clear whoch deck is the best. Sisay also is insane and kenrith is just good. Sure bluefarm is def on top but id say its a close call between like the top 10 decks...
@@NitpickingNerds valid point.
@@w.s6124 Yes i 100% agree, the point im making is this top 7 list, only 2 of them are relevant to this conversation, and thats kinnan and tymna/kraum
Personal picks do not equate into a power scheme by default
You forgot Tivit though. But as a Dihada player, Dihada > Korvold IMO
"We're not gonna list cEDH decks", proceeds to put a list of top tier or really strong cEDH commanders. Don't get me wrong, loved the video and liked the takes for normal decks, but I found it funny.
thoughts of veyran? Stormy enjoyer here
Do u have any decklist for urza..not cedh but high power
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My friend playe Kozilek last night and it ruined the whole night LMAO
Being scared i mull to 5, well so am I cause I either got 4 hands with less than 3 lands or all lands😅
In my kozilek IF if have my perfect hand I can get him out on turn 3 attacking
29:33 Saving a google search for you fellow noobs. Nonbo. Like a non-combo (i.e., don't synergize).
“Takes Atraxa and Niv Mizzet and just slaps it on this amazing body.” Beez, it’s cardboard, calm down.😂
I AM NEVER CALM
Not cedh but every commander minus kozilek are actual cedh commanders.
Some commanders are good in both environments
7 commanders that might just be over power level 7?
Forgot Tivit though.
Wow, starting with the biggest power couple in cEDH.
Yeah, sort of our stand in for the “good stuff” commanders! Tymna Kraum are great no matter what you do 😂
@NitpickingNerds you could easily swap out kraum for thrasios and still own. Tymna is just giga busted
What in the cedh
This isn't grading cEDH decks just so you know
Ik just funny most of these are tier 1 cedh commanders lol
@frozentyphoon2049 makes sense, most of these offer powerful/impactful plays or in built card advantage/combos in good colors.
No Edgar Markov in the list, video therefore null and void.
I take great pleasure in knowing that none of these have a natural built-in way to cheat commander tax.
Day 1 of saying this sign never changes
Wait isn’t the original atraxa like the most built commander? How is the new one better?
Old attraxa was a super strong proliferate build around that could be built many ways (counters, infect, planeswalkers) and in good colors. New attraxa is actually far more powerful in high power/cedh, due to the overall card selection and wincons at that level.
I love your voices ❤️
Kinnan is the best!!! My favorite commander!!!
Kinnan is an absolute monster 👹
colorless is a color
Kozilek has to be reaction/comment bait right😂
We might disagree
@@NitpickingNerds And that's fine 🙂 Still love you guys
I'm a kozilek player and trust me, he is a force to be reckoned with for your opponents.
When well tuned, he is an absolute beast of a commander.
19:23
“we aren’t talking about cedh” proceeds to mention almost exclusively cedh commanders
Card Kingdom literally doubles the price if not triples it and never has anything in stock when you need it. Figures they partner with everybody to advertise for them
Tivit is VERY DUMB too
Tivit was on our short list!
11:11
I *know* you didn't just cast shade at OG Atraxa. My dude, she was the number one deck on EDHRec from the time she was printed to when they printed Grand Unifier. I thought you played this game 😮
Most popular is different than strongest which is the title of the video
@@DanyGiletto I wonder why it was the most popular? Could it have anything to do with how strong it was...? HRM. I wonder why there aren't other "weak but popular" commanders in the top 5 of all time. What a conundrum!
@@dac314 it was popular because its really easy to build around and has the 4 good colors in commander. But it is far from being one of the most powerful commanders in the format
@@michaelcollins4534 it was popular becuz it was very powerful, and could be built with multiple, powerful deck archetypes. Weird how the other 4 color commanders weren't the number one most popular commander for multiple years running. Almost like you're talking out your ass, how curious!
@@dac314 ok
The most powerufl in the whole format? I love you guys, but like 2 of these are actually relevant to the topic, the rest are fantastic commanders but not top top tier. Kozilek being here is hilarious, pushed to its max its mid power at best
Who would your top 7 be?
They said that they are not accounting for CEDH. Otherwise these commanders are just "absolutely insane" (;
@@Archaonn You don't have to account for CEDH, the top cedh decks if you tone them down to high power casual are still going to be the best decks. Nejeela, winota, kinnan, kenrith, tymna/kraum, yuriko ect
@@spudster8887 Who would your top 7 be?
@@Archaonn Kinnan, tymna/kraum, sakashima/kraum, sisay 5c, najeela, tivit and really any partner grixis pairing all come to mind
The sign is a lie
One sign always tells the truth and the other always lies
She cute 😍
These guys play the most unfinished decks. And they're not even that good lmao zero flavor here.
So annoying when the green player blows up my winter orb and let's the atraxa player untap with 10 + mana... His excuse, "but muh lands!!' Bro didn't even get the turn passed back to him. (This was a casual tournament fyi)
So she's into Magic, intelligent and cute. Where do these women live?