@@danielstewart6893 I remember the estate being a bit miffed. Said we stole from him and left him for broke. Could have been an impostor trying to stirr shit, but it's kinda sad either way. I just think, you changed music forever dude! It's just a shame.
Amen break beats. My soul. My brother would come in to my room while playing the drums as a kid and ask me to play breaks but I didn’t know what he meant. I came a bit late to the scene but went to a few parties with my brother and his crew back in the early 2000s. Saw Dom live (which was mind blowing even though He was sick as fck) Primarily Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Fell in love. I’ve since created two studio albums of my own completely inspired by breakbeat drum funk type. We would sit and research all of the sounds. My brother a vinyl collector and dj himself had a lot of Sources for me to look into . All about the classic jungle breaks. Source direct exercise the demons was my primary influence as well as Ed rush and optical, Amon robin . It was all to show my respects to the style and hope that people in the know would see. Hell its been ten years since I started that. Anyone who is interested dm me and I’ll send you links to my stuff. Always open to feedback. I created all of it in Renoise which I can’t stress enough as a fantastic tracker program. Nothing but love to all of you.
They are two different tracks, very similar yes, but neither is a remix of the other, They could though be called two artists different interpretations of a similar theme.
I defend this. This was a release in it's original state - fade 2 black. This is the rmx. Taken a long time to find it. Worthy it's weight i ngold. BOOM!
He was the guy who played the original amen break. Google: 'The Winstons - Amen brother' to hear the original song. There is a six second drumbreak which caused a new style of music to develop a couple of decades later.
Not sure, wasn't there an understanding at some point that stuff like 2 bad mice are "old school breaks" and drum n bass is new school breaks? That's what the drum 'n bass mailing list told me back in the early 2000's, I think. I remember that there was even a speedwise relationship between gabber music and DnB.
old school as in older yeah, but a track from 2001 sounds nothing like jungle unless the producer has intentionally arranged the track to sound like jungle. A Reason often overlooked for later tunes to sound very different to old jungle is the reliance on automated daws in contrast to the old jungle guys using amigas and samplers.
Its a Lemon D solo track and it was on dub for ages before release, infact i'd imagine it was made at a similar time to Fade 2 black. If I remember right the title came from the fact that people were trying to ID it ie "Whats that amen track?", answer "That amen track". Actually listed as That Amen Trk for anyone thats having trouble finding it VLV003
Old skool(d&b) is generally regarded as being from the hardcore/jungle days ie roughly 92-95. To make life easier for yourself, if you want old skool d&b, just search for jungle :-) you might have better search results. This tune, whilst being heavily Amen led, is not jungle, just a weighty piece of d&b.
You mean Lemon D? Anyone that owns a copy of Urbanology and holds it up to Going gets Tough, know's his subtle flavors. Dilla caught reck for anthems hittin' harder those days, but Lemon D had a wider sonic palette. Plus this tune has the same kit as Whiplash remix. Seen?
Is it definitely Lemon D though? I know the original Fade to Black was obviously Lemon D as Souljah, but this version does sound like a Dillinja tune, there's a few of the edits that sound way more like him that like Lemon D....
Lemon D wrote Fade to Black and this is obviously pretty closely related. They were also both working on tunes and the Valve system together. Think that's why they are both credited.
This is definitely not old skool jungle. Old yeah but not jungle, but a very very good piece of D&b nontheless. Dillinja and Lemon D are both unbelievable producers.
![Dillinja - Why So Nasty? [Outsider Mashup]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/S396ka-DLPA/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks Mr Coleman (RIP) for playing those magic 6 seconds back in '69.
MrBattledrone single handedly changed drum and bass, wonder how he would feel about it
Amen to that 🙏🏻
@@danielstewart6893 I remember the estate being a bit miffed. Said we stole from him and left him for broke. Could have been an impostor trying to stirr shit, but it's kinda sad either way. I just think, you changed music forever dude! It's just a shame.
That break set the pace for a whole new world. Even before this outta manchester! Choons united! Big ups to coleman!
The "Holy Grail" of jungle tunes.
It's still crazy to this day, in 2022, how much of a monster this track is.
True
To the kids growing up with D&B today, this IS old skool to them :S (makes me feel old!)
To me, this is just classic Drum & Bass.
Dan Miracle was having the old school convention earlier and how it all came from rave, some kids just don't know
Imagine...this sounds old to my young wife, that made me think, time moves and leaves us staring back into the darkness in search of the light.
Still tears apart a club today 😀
jungle/old skool dnb is just what we have to look up now for some actual quality dnb.
Amen break beats. My soul. My brother would come in to my room while playing the drums as a kid and ask me to play breaks but I didn’t know what he meant. I came a bit late to the scene but went to a few parties with my brother and his crew back in the early 2000s. Saw Dom live (which was mind blowing even though
He was sick as fck) Primarily Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Fell in love. I’ve since created two studio albums of my own completely inspired by breakbeat drum funk type. We would sit and research all of the sounds. My brother a vinyl collector and dj himself had a lot of Sources for me to look into . All about the classic jungle breaks. Source direct exercise the demons was my primary influence as well as Ed rush and optical, Amon robin . It was all to show my respects to the style and hope that people in the know would see. Hell its been ten years since I started that. Anyone who is interested dm me and I’ll send you links to my stuff. Always open to feedback. I created all of it in Renoise which I can’t stress enough as a fantastic tracker program. Nothing but love to all of you.
Got a link for it?
drop a link to that
Who witnessed the VIP of this tune at Valve London on the 8th of December at night club E1? This was Lemon D opening tune!!!
That was not a VIP. Thats fade 2 black by Lemon D (Souljah) and thats the original tune…. This is the VIP
Best Of British Bagleys …Skibba , Shabba & Fearless 👌🏻 😍
fade 2 black remix. both tracks are simply wicked, and old skool no doubt. wish there were tracks like that nowadays.
They are two different tracks, very similar yes, but neither is a remix of the other, They could though be called two artists different interpretations of a similar theme.
Wrong .. Its a remix .. F2B came out on a different label ( Hardleaders ) thats why this is called " That Amen Track " and released on Valve ..
we all love a bit of the Amen Break :)
I live for the Amen. Listened to everyday since 1993.................And i literally mean everyday :-)
Amen to that brother
Can I get an Amen? Yes I can, and you can get one too. All of you can get an Amen.
Love the edits.
Met a dude with the Amen sound wave tattoo. Very cool
Listening to that amen track on a Sunday morning 😂🤣😂
Lemon D never disapoints
Dillinja and Lemon D have always led the way.....
VALVE SOUND
you sure?
Pretty sure this was on Frontline.
@@fuggles2544VLV003 😉
I dont care if you all wanna call it oldskool or not. If it SOUNDS true to the oldskool craft (93-96), then I dont give a fuck. I'll RINSE it!!!
This Amen mix is treemendous
That haunting string in the intro and the snare that sounds like it's gonna snap the drum stick in half b2b super tear out amen break - love it!!!
My funeral tune!
I love this track, sit in a little room with this tune blasting I guarantee you will be on your feet ready to run a mile.😁😎😉
have this on vinyl, back when I was kid I had no idea what was meant by amen break, but I liked this track
I defend this.
This was a release in it's original state - fade 2 black.
This is the rmx. Taken a long time to find it. Worthy it's weight i ngold.
BOOM!
dope track here part of the bassline and beat along with that string sounds like Fade 2 Black by Souljah (Lemon D.)...
This is the remix
Yeah whole intro is very similar
Bad bwoy rinsin tingz
Rinse it OUT!!
absolute classic
He was the guy who played the original amen break. Google: 'The Winstons - Amen brother' to hear the original song. There is a six second drumbreak which caused a new style of music to develop a couple of decades later.
We know mate :-)
At 45 secs when those breaks kick in 😍😍
Mad journey this one 🌶
Such a killer mixing tool! Love this track>>> :)
I'd say this counts as old school drum and bass, but not jungle. Still far better than most of the stuff that passes for D&B these days
Agreed
Hard.
Nasty track as it shud b!!
go for it
Yes please doctor
Old school? this '98. This is way back but not old school.
Not sure, wasn't there an understanding at some point that stuff like 2 bad mice are "old school breaks" and drum n bass is new school breaks? That's what the drum 'n bass mailing list told me back in the early 2000's, I think. I remember that there was even a speedwise relationship between gabber music and DnB.
even songs made in 2001 still had that oldschool flavor
old school as in older yeah, but a track from 2001 sounds nothing like jungle unless the producer has intentionally arranged the track to sound like jungle. A Reason often overlooked for later tunes to sound very different to old jungle is the reliance on automated daws in contrast to the old jungle guys using amigas and samplers.
2021🔥🔥👌
So good !!!!!
love it!
Its a Lemon D solo track and it was on dub for ages before release, infact i'd imagine it was made at a similar time to Fade 2 black.
If I remember right the title came from the fact that people were trying to ID it ie "Whats that amen track?", answer "That amen track".
Actually listed as That Amen Trk for anyone thats having trouble finding it VLV003
This IS fade 2 Black. Same tune.
And no it's not a Lemon D solo track, it's by "Souljah"... look it up, that's not only Lemon D
Souljah is lemon d, this tune is lemon d, fade to black isn't the same tune contains elements but in essence a different tune.
What krazyjuicedan said.
not. Similar but not the same.
The Only Amen track
I was there.........dirty...
1:09 to 1:30 Amenbreak holding out the incoming 2-step! DLD figured out if they never give you the crash, the track could theoretically go forever!
I've always preferred the Lemon D tunes over Dillinja, this is no exception one of my all time favourites since I first heard it in 2000.
Honestly they worked off each other and filled the gaps between each others tunes...
Take cover INCOMING 💥💥💥💥💥💥
siiiiiiiick beats
Massive combination
this reminds me of the soundtrak for Pitball on PSone.
fukin rippin
Big tune. Just sounds like a remix of souljah fade to black to me
Because that's exactly what it is haha
I was there.
RIDDIM!
Amen bro
Old skool to me is hardcore and jungle techno
And my sub just got fried...awesome!
🙏🏻❤️
Oh and this track was on a compilation brought out in 2000, but I'd bet that it was a dubplate from a few years before.
i remember this being on dub and destroying dances
Amen junglist brothers and sisters!
One Dillinja could of done a track close to this, another jump up classic.
EvenBetterRayBill this is not jump up
purity
War riddim
says 2000 on my ep
Fucking stinker to drop at 4am💪
wtf?? 2 dislikes?? muppets
Grizzly Andy They annoyed me too
@@jeanfrancoisnelson Maybe they're comparing it to the original
Sounds exactly like souljah - fade 2 black
absolute rip off of that tune.
@@sean6459 Souljah is Lemon D...
@@davepalmer4954 hahaha. Mad, cheers g
This is refreshed version of F2B actually.
Can I get an Amen for the Amen Break?
Maximum
sounds like fade to black
Sick as fuck!
Turn your bass to lowest setting
tell me more
This is there how dnb should sound
Pure, uncensored dark
Amen to that!!! Build up on the track is silly, the drop is disgusting!!!
ive got this and the artist is down as ???? lol
what are you on about mate?
tell me more?
mint tune but it aint old skool jungle
dud this was 14 years ago! if that aint oldschool i dunno what it is :P
for me even stuff from 2001 or later is oldschool
Old skool(d&b) is generally regarded as being from the hardcore/jungle days ie roughly 92-95. To make life easier for yourself, if you want old skool d&b, just search for jungle :-) you might have better search results.
This tune, whilst being heavily Amen led, is not jungle, just a weighty piece of d&b.
You mean Lemon D? Anyone that owns a copy of Urbanology and holds it up to Going gets Tough, know's his subtle flavors. Dilla caught reck for anthems hittin' harder those days, but Lemon D had a wider sonic palette. Plus this tune has the same kit as Whiplash remix. Seen?
i got this on vinyl bitch
you mean earlier? I believe the agreed dividing line is '97..IMO old skool is'95 an earlier....
Is it definitely Lemon D though? I know the original Fade to Black was obviously Lemon D as Souljah, but this version does sound like a Dillinja tune, there's a few of the edits that sound way more like him that like Lemon D....
I don't really care about categories but I am interested in why some people are calling this dnb and not jungle?
this in from 2000 not 98
Meant to say only
What am I looking at?
Heavy weight low rider
Shame about the quality. This is old skool, as good as it gets.
Pretty sure its definitely just him.
Dillinja was extremely distinctive by this point.
Lemon D wrote Fade to Black and this is obviously pretty closely related. They were also both working on tunes and the Valve system together. Think that's why they are both credited.
Belting
Why r deleting my comment?
Sysop?
who actually mad this track? because on the vinyl its just got ??? as the artist lol
Here's a higher quality recoding of this:
ua-cam.com/video/7tUr30M-eFk/v-deo.html
Karl.
eto ne jungle eto
drumnbass
This is definitely not old skool jungle. Old yeah but not jungle, but a very very good piece of D&b nontheless. Dillinja and Lemon D are both unbelievable producers.
Too much amen. Doesn't have a prayer.
Get a grip man, can never have too much amen. Bet you pressed dislike
@@DjCemtex I don't press dislike on music, unless it's a ruined copy or something.
Hahaha....'too much amen'.