George, that was brilliant. I've struggled with Logic strings and LABS strings for a while. This has opened up a whole new sound world. Thanks for that. Cheers.
I'm really happy that it is working for you! That is my goal - to help maximize fellow creator's workflows and achieve sonic excellence. I will be doing some more videos on other aspects of improving Logic sounds - more orchestral and others too. Stay tuned! Thanks for commenting!!
Real Orchestras will have 40-50 string players, so if you want to duplicate that sound you need to combine a lot of different string sounds to get the BIG, FULL ORCHESTAL STRING SOUND! It sounds great. Thanks for showing us how to do it!
Indeed - that is my theory of using multiple samples. Heck, I even use some of the OLD Roland samples from the 90's - they add a grit that I find works alongside the more expensive libraries like Symphobia or Spitfire. Thanks for commenting!
Not overboard at all. Very cool. I do a lot of writing for music libraries and the one thing that they want is realistic sounding strings. I think you’ve achieved that George. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
George, I have watched this video so many times and have gotten so much from it that I figured I'd better comment and say, "Thank you." I started binge-watching your videos and am learning so much. Thank you again and have a great new year!
So happy that you are getting something out of my videos. That is exactly why I am doing this - we all struggle with what is the best way to do things, trial and error, just workflow issues, etc. (myself included, but tens of thousands of hours later I've figured just a few things to improve my flow)... My goal here is to help beginners, intermediates, and even pros to improve their workflow so comments like yours make it all worthwhile! Thanks for taking the time to drop me a comment! Much more to come!! Cheers - and Happy New Year!! 🍾🎆
Glad I clicked on this. You just saved me from many frustrating hours of trying to do something I know nothing about... STRINGS! Knowing that I can get this patch, and "reverse engineer " when I have more time, is priceless. New subscriber and customer. Thank you!
GRANDIOSO ... thx so much ... just what I need. Now I got an idea, how to REALLY use some of Logics stock sounds ... Great and thank you ! I would highly appreciate a similar HOW TO clip regarding brass ensemble ... if you don't mind ;-))
Thanks George! I Followed your procedure and it sounds amazing. Ran it through 6 speakers and it feels like I’m in the orchestra pit! Thank you. Please keep up the great work!!✌️
This is amazing and extremely helpful! I was searching for 3rd party strings because I do not like the Logic Strings when I came across this video. You are amazing! Thank you so much for sharing!
Thank George..... This opens up a whole world for me.... I was never happy with the stock sounds and thought about purchasing additional plugins but never did. I will leverage everything you shared with this video.... Thank you very much
make several string ensemble and work with to tweak them and pan give a rich string ensemble thanks for tips. i use valhalla super massiv a lot in my logic x 10.4.8 love that reverb.
Thanks for keeping me up to speed! Yeah, my favorite reverb is Altiverb XL - I've had it for several decades - in my opinion, there is no better IR reverb - but it is costly! My favories tend to shift now and then though...lol. Appreciate your comment!
This is a great video! It would be great if you could somehow upload a template with all of this already set up... I would love to use it for my next project!
My pleasure! Coming very soon is a new series of videos making professional tracks from start to finish using only stock Logic sounds and plugins, so stay tuned for that! Thanks for commenting!!
Really great tutorial - just duplicated your set up and compared it to what was my favourite string ensemble - which now sounds totally dull and lifeless in comparison to this mega-patch! I have learned so much from this video - thank you.
To be honest, I need to play with the articulations a bit more. I currently use strings from Symphobia, Spitfire and some custom made strings I obtained from a major film composer and those cover 98% of my string needs. I will look at them and possibly do a part 2 though! Good idea! Thanks for commenting.
I do this too , but my secret weapon is that i’m a violinist/violist/cellist haha😊 so i then add about 5 or 6 overdubs of each instrument , mix it in with the libraries and the realism is exponential ! (why don’t i only use the real instruments ? couple reasons: time saving ; and single tracking single instruments 50 times does not necessarily work so well. A real orchestra has stereo mics capturing the whole ensemble. If you individually track 50 string instruments it’s not so easy to achieve the coherence … there’s also the issue of too much sonic build up from proximity or room sound - multiply that by 50 and it gets unwieldy. So blending in a few real track with the libraries can really do the trick! )
Agree, agree, agree! I have a violin and had a cello - I am much better at cello than violin but that is great that you sweeten your tracks with actual real performances! It makes all the difference in the world. And yes, having recorded strings and horns in the past, individual mics are more or less useless, it's like trying to record a choir one vocal at a time.... Overall anytime you can use a real instrument to sweeten midi, that will add a sonic timbre that will make the track truly sound pro. That is why I always insist on real bass guitar - nothing better than the true low end and sonic intricacies of a real bass! As far as my violin playing, I reserve that for my horror tracks 😂 - Thanks for commenting!!
Hi George, thank you for this cool way of creating realistic string-sounds ! I almost immediately copied your way to handle in my Logic-daw, very inspiring. Somewhere at the end of your tutorial you say that you lead al the 9 string-instruments through your 'synth-bus'. I don't know how to achieve that, actually I don't understand how to route it in that way. After that comes your next advice to put it all together in a 'summing-track'. That I understand a lot better. My question : Do the 'synth-bus' and the 'summing-track'-procedure in the end have the same result ? At the 'summing-track' you can ad compression, eq, sample-delay etc...as well. If I select the 'summing-track' I can play al the nine tracks on my keyboard-controller. I don't understand the difference. Maybe some other viewers can help me explaining it. Thanx in advance ! Cheers from the Amsterdam, Holland.
Thanks for reaching out. Great question. A summing track creates its own bus (or actually aux) which yes, functions like a bus. I do not use summing stacks to be honest and that is because I have a specific AutoLoad that organizes all of my tracks, busses, aux's in various different windows. (See my AutoLoad 7 part series). The AutoLoad is based on my T.A.B.S. concept (See the 2 part T.A.B.S. series) - If you look at those two series, this will all make a lot more sense. When I want to play multiple instruments together, I just select them all and play them, I don't stack them. I like the more classic tried and true way of using busses and auxes and making a CLEAN session that is always the same format - much like if you were using a console, and gear in a studio. This provides the most consistent workflow and most closely emulates the true record-making studio environment. Watch those series and get back to me if you still have further questions. Thanks so much for reaching out!! Let me know how it goes!
Very simple: Open Logic Library, Select the track stack, in the footer of the Library area, you'll see a SAVE button. Just name save that stack and you can pull it up in the Library anytime you want. If you don't like stacks (like me) you can still save it that way and then you bring it into a new session, just right-click the track and flatten it. If you're using my T.A.B.S. format and want to delete that AUX it brings in, you can do that easily in the Environment. Hope this helps!! Thanks for reaching out!
I followed your instructions to a “T” and got fantastic results. Once tweaked is saving them as a template for future use the best method or is there a better way.
I was hearing someone talk about not panning the instruments since they are virtually already set in the stereo field replicating where they would be in the orchestra. They explained how these instruments were already mapped out - So they were saying that panning the sound reduces half of that stereo image of the sound which could lead it to sound very odd. What are your thoughts on this? I noticed you were panning the strings and instruments left and right. Isn’t it already a stereo sound? Does that affect how natural the sound truly is?
That just entirely depends on the sample library. But in Logic, you have the option to choose the strings to be mono when you load that software instrument (you have three choices: mono, stereo, and multi-output). Even if you chose stereo when panning, it doesn't do anything bad - I do that all the time. Remember, these are individual sections that are panned straight in the center - these are not a full separately panned orchestra. The bigger point here was that you were using multiple different samples of strings to blend with each other, some might be more harsh, some darker, some lower quality, and that idea is like a regular group of musicians who all have different instruments, and in that you are creating a more realistic sound. What that person was likely talking about is if you are using one patch or one sample performance. Anyway, hopes this clarifies things. Thanks for reaching out!!
@@GGabrielMusic oh ok! So just to make sure I understand, the logic “sampler” orchestra instruments are just stereo instruments yet still centered? So I could pan the stereo sounds of all of them accordingly? In that case would you recommend balance pan knob, stereo pan, or binaural?
HAHA! Yeah, that is the point I think, we are all sound designers of sorts and the more we can design ok samples to sound more real, then that separates us from the average joe just dialing up what Logic gives you stock. Thanks for commenting!
George, that was brilliant. I've struggled with Logic strings and LABS strings for a while. This has opened up a whole new sound world. Thanks for that. Cheers.
I'm really happy that it is working for you! That is my goal - to help maximize fellow creator's workflows and achieve sonic excellence. I will be doing some more videos on other aspects of improving Logic sounds - more orchestral and others too. Stay tuned! Thanks for commenting!!
Real Orchestras will have 40-50 string players, so if you want to duplicate that sound you need to combine a lot of different string sounds to get the BIG, FULL ORCHESTAL STRING SOUND! It sounds great. Thanks for showing us how to do it!
Indeed - that is my theory of using multiple samples. Heck, I even use some of the OLD Roland samples from the 90's - they add a grit that I find works alongside the more expensive libraries like Symphobia or Spitfire. Thanks for commenting!
The result speaks for itself. I will be copying this. Thank you.
Glad you like it!! Thanks for commenting!
Not overboard at all. Very cool. I do a lot of writing for music libraries and the one thing that they want is realistic sounding strings. I think you’ve achieved that George. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Happy to share - thanks for commenting!
George, I have watched this video so many times and have gotten so much from it that I figured I'd better comment and say, "Thank you." I started binge-watching your videos and am learning so much. Thank you again and have a great new year!
So happy that you are getting something out of my videos. That is exactly why I am doing this - we all struggle with what is the best way to do things, trial and error, just workflow issues, etc. (myself included, but tens of thousands of hours later I've figured just a few things to improve my flow)... My goal here is to help beginners, intermediates, and even pros to improve their workflow so comments like yours make it all worthwhile! Thanks for taking the time to drop me a comment! Much more to come!! Cheers - and Happy New Year!! 🍾🎆
Glad I clicked on this. You just saved me from many frustrating hours of trying to do something I know nothing about... STRINGS! Knowing that I can get this patch, and "reverse engineer " when I have more time, is priceless. New subscriber and customer. Thank you!
Thanks So Much!! Much more to come! More patches, more templates, more ways to make Logic sound pro. I appreciate you!!
Man this unlocks a whole new level of strings programming for me 🔥
So glad this was helpful!! More to come! Thanks for the comment!
This was one of the best Logic Tutorials ever! Thank you so much. It helped me improve my own work soooo much!
So happy I was able to help!! More to come!
GRANDIOSO ... thx so much ... just what I need. Now I got an idea, how to REALLY use some of Logics stock sounds ... Great and thank you !
I would highly appreciate a similar HOW TO clip regarding brass ensemble ... if you don't mind ;-))
So happy you like this! YES, that is a great idea to do the same with Logic horns...I'll put that in the queue! Thanks for the comment and suggestion!
Thanks for this Info, for the people who can't afford expenses libraries this is gold my brother. Thanks a lot...
So glad this was helpful!
Thanks George! I Followed your procedure and it sounds amazing. Ran it through 6 speakers and it feels like I’m in the orchestra pit! Thank you. Please keep up the great work!!✌️
Amazing! I love it when it all comes together. Thanks for commenting!
This is amazing and extremely helpful! I was searching for 3rd party strings because I do not like the Logic Strings when I came across this video. You are amazing! Thank you so much for sharing!
My pleasure!! Much more to come on improving Logic sounds!
Amazing, thanks for the great tips, I definitely learned some new tricks !
My pleasure! Lots more of this sort of thing to come! Thanks for commenting!
Thank George..... This opens up a whole world for me.... I was never happy with the stock sounds and thought about purchasing additional plugins but never did. I will leverage everything you shared with this video.... Thank you very much
Let me know how it goes!! Thanks for commenting!
make several string ensemble and work with to tweak them and pan give a rich string ensemble thanks for tips. i use valhalla super massiv a lot in my logic x 10.4.8 love that reverb.
Thanks for keeping me up to speed! Yeah, my favorite reverb is Altiverb XL - I've had it for several decades - in my opinion, there is no better IR reverb - but it is costly! My favories tend to shift now and then though...lol. Appreciate your comment!
This is a great video! It would be great if you could somehow upload a template with all of this already set up... I would love to use it for my next project!
Yes - I am working on that right now. Please come back soon as I will have an avenue for that very soon.
Template available now! Check out the video for the link.
Bro this was crazy!! Thank you!! 🔥🔥🔥
My pleasure! Coming very soon is a new series of videos making professional tracks from start to finish using only stock Logic sounds and plugins, so stay tuned for that! Thanks for commenting!!
Really great tutorial - just duplicated your set up and compared it to what was my favourite string ensemble - which now sounds totally dull and lifeless in comparison to this mega-patch! I have learned so much from this video - thank you.
So happy that I could help! Lot's more videos on morphing Logic sounds to sound pro. Thanks for commenting!!
Great tweaks on the stock sounds! What are your thoughts on using the articulation sets within the studio strings?
To be honest, I need to play with the articulations a bit more. I currently use strings from Symphobia, Spitfire and some custom made strings I obtained from a major film composer and those cover 98% of my string needs. I will look at them and possibly do a part 2 though! Good idea! Thanks for commenting.
This was incredible. Thank you SO MUCH!
My pleasure! Much more to come!
Thanks George.
You can call him G
My pleasure! More to come!!
I use Logic strings a lot and this is kinda wonderful advice. Thank you so much!
My pleasure! That’s why I’m doing these - to help out as many people as I can! Much more to come! Thanks for commenting!
Thank you, that was enlightening
You're very welcome! More to come!
Thanks for this. It was very helpful. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
My pleasure - lots more with Logic only sounds to come!
Great video, so helpful ❤
Great - glad it was helpful to you! More to come!
Thanks George. Heaps help.
My pleasure - much more to come!
Wow George, thanks for the wonderful guide.
Happy to help! Glad this is helpful! Much more to come!
Nice one! Sounds great, who cares how many tracks it takes. 👍🏻
Thanks!!
Excellent! Thank you!
My pleasure! Lots more to come with Logic sounds....
I do this too , but my secret weapon is that i’m a violinist/violist/cellist haha😊 so i then add about 5 or 6 overdubs of each instrument , mix it in with the libraries and the realism is exponential !
(why don’t i only use the real instruments ? couple reasons: time saving ; and single tracking single instruments 50 times does not necessarily work so well. A real orchestra has stereo mics capturing the whole ensemble. If you individually track 50 string instruments it’s not so easy to achieve the coherence … there’s also the issue of too much sonic build up from proximity or room sound - multiply that by 50 and it gets unwieldy. So blending in a few real track with the libraries can really do the trick! )
Agree, agree, agree! I have a violin and had a cello - I am much better at cello than violin but that is great that you sweeten your tracks with actual real performances! It makes all the difference in the world. And yes, having recorded strings and horns in the past, individual mics are more or less useless, it's like trying to record a choir one vocal at a time.... Overall anytime you can use a real instrument to sweeten midi, that will add a sonic timbre that will make the track truly sound pro. That is why I always insist on real bass guitar - nothing better than the true low end and sonic intricacies of a real bass! As far as my violin playing, I reserve that for my horror tracks 😂 - Thanks for commenting!!
Hi George, thank you for this cool way of creating realistic string-sounds ! I almost immediately copied your way to handle in my Logic-daw, very inspiring. Somewhere at the end of your tutorial you say that you lead al the 9 string-instruments through your 'synth-bus'. I don't know how to achieve that, actually I don't understand how to route it in that way. After that comes your next advice to put it all together in a 'summing-track'. That I understand a lot better. My question : Do the 'synth-bus' and the 'summing-track'-procedure in the end have the same result ? At the 'summing-track' you can ad compression, eq, sample-delay etc...as well. If I select the 'summing-track' I can play al the nine tracks on my keyboard-controller. I don't understand the difference. Maybe some other viewers can help me explaining it. Thanx in advance ! Cheers from the Amsterdam, Holland.
Thanks for reaching out. Great question. A summing track creates its own bus (or actually aux) which yes, functions like a bus. I do not use summing stacks to be honest and that is because I have a specific AutoLoad that organizes all of my tracks, busses, aux's in various different windows. (See my AutoLoad 7 part series). The AutoLoad is based on my T.A.B.S. concept (See the 2 part T.A.B.S. series) - If you look at those two series, this will all make a lot more sense. When I want to play multiple instruments together, I just select them all and play them, I don't stack them. I like the more classic tried and true way of using busses and auxes and making a CLEAN session that is always the same format - much like if you were using a console, and gear in a studio. This provides the most consistent workflow and most closely emulates the true record-making studio environment. Watch those series and get back to me if you still have further questions. Thanks so much for reaching out!! Let me know how it goes!
Put this on my track I'm working on, it sounds much better ! thank you
Great to hear!! So glad this is working for you! Thanks for letting me know!
Really love it brother 😍👌❤️
Thank you so much 😀
Ayy, thanks a lot!!!
You are most welcome! Glad I could help!!
Wah... Brilliant...
Thanks so much!
Are you able to save the sum stack as a patch for us?
I will be adding those kind of features and shares to this channel in the near future. Stay tuned!
@@GGabrielMusicWas about to ask the same quesion if you could put this up as a template somewhere
Thanks dude! But how to save all of this for paste in other projects?
Very simple: Open Logic Library, Select the track stack, in the footer of the Library area, you'll see a SAVE button. Just name save that stack and you can pull it up in the Library anytime you want. If you don't like stacks (like me) you can still save it that way and then you bring it into a new session, just right-click the track and flatten it. If you're using my T.A.B.S. format and want to delete that AUX it brings in, you can do that easily in the Environment. Hope this helps!! Thanks for reaching out!
I followed your instructions to a “T” and got fantastic results. Once tweaked is saving them as a template for future use the best method or is there a better way.
So glad this worked for you!! Thanks for the comment!
Wow!
Thx Master!
Thank you for watching!! More to come!
thank you
My pleasure - much more coming soon!
I was hearing someone talk about not panning the instruments since they are virtually already set in the stereo field replicating where they would be in the orchestra. They explained how these instruments were already mapped out - So they were saying that panning the sound reduces half of that stereo image of the sound which could lead it to sound very odd. What are your thoughts on this? I noticed you were panning the strings and instruments left and right. Isn’t it already a stereo sound? Does that affect how natural the sound truly is?
That just entirely depends on the sample library. But in Logic, you have the option to choose the strings to be mono when you load that software instrument (you have three choices: mono, stereo, and multi-output). Even if you chose stereo when panning, it doesn't do anything bad - I do that all the time. Remember, these are individual sections that are panned straight in the center - these are not a full separately panned orchestra.
The bigger point here was that you were using multiple different samples of strings to blend with each other, some might be more harsh, some darker, some lower quality, and that idea is like a regular group of musicians who all have different instruments, and in that you are creating a more realistic sound. What that person was likely talking about is if you are using one patch or one sample performance.
Anyway, hopes this clarifies things. Thanks for reaching out!!
@@GGabrielMusic oh ok! So just to make sure I understand, the logic “sampler” orchestra instruments are just stereo instruments yet still centered? So I could pan the stereo sounds of all of them accordingly? In that case would you recommend balance pan knob, stereo pan, or binaural?
Great video! They don’t sound “real” maybe but they no longer sound distractingly fake.
HAHA! Yeah, that is the point I think, we are all sound designers of sorts and the more we can design ok samples to sound more real, then that separates us from the average joe just dialing up what Logic gives you stock. Thanks for commenting!
👍🏻👍🏻🇩🇪
Thanks!!