Hey Dude, when you start to learn new techniques, you get worse in the short-term before you get better. In the beginning you are thinking about the new technique during matches and it affects your game. As you learn and practice. It becomes ingrained and more instinctive. You will start to see all the benefits of of it all. Keep up the good work, we are all here to encourage you.
Hi Josh, i really enjoy watching your series after i found your channel 1 month ago. For the ''road to 2000'' i want to share some thoughts: 1. It is funny that you think you can reach your goal faster because of your pips. In my opinion thats what will holding you back in the future if you not improve drastically. You have a decent FH and i am sure you will improve it even more with the help of your coach. But on the BH you are playing very passive because if you trying to be more active it is very very inconsistent. Of course weaker player will struggle with the blocks but against better opponents you cant rely on their mistakes anymore. You have to develop a more oppresive style with the pips to really actively score a point and not by getting points from an unforced error of the opponent. I am not familiar with the USATT rating because i live in germany but i think i am around 2000-2100 and noone on my level is afraid of pips. It is just a different playstyle to play against. 2. It would be impressive if you had won against Iouri but please keep in mind: On the road to 2000 it is more important to win all games against weaker players and losing against 1 strong player instead of winning against 1 strong player and losing against 2,3,4... weaker players afterwards. Wish you all the best. Best regards Bl4nkyy
Thanks man - I feel like currently my BH has a lot of untapped potential so I'm hoping that once I'm able to unlock it, should help my game improve a lot! Interesting observation about beating weaker players and losing to 1 strong player, I actually think that's true since you often hear people say they beat someone rated 200 points higher, but still lose to people rated 100-200 points lower. I think that's what makes 2000 such an interesting benchmark since at that level, you should be able to consistently beat upper intermediate players (e.g. 1800-1900s)
Hi mate, good luck on the new goal. For bh short pips, might be worth while checking out the woman's pro players, in paricular Mima Ito and He Zhuo Jia to unlock it's potential (offensively and defensively). Looking forward to tracking your progress over the next 6 months!
When you make mistakes on a stroke, never take it as an absolute flaw or something you always need to think through. A lot of adaptation just comes through trial and adjustment. Sometimes, looking for a description of what you should do is not as important as trying and getting feedback on your attempts. When you need a bigger stroke, you need to finish past salute somewhat using the core to drive it. Just try it and adjust. Or try anything your coach shows you and adjust to his feedback. You don't have to get it immediately on the table, you just have to try to do exactly what he is saying and then adapt to his feedback.
@@musclepong not necessarily. Pros miss too and they train and microadjust all the time. Just use the prior experience and your read of the ball to adapt. And don't beat up yourself, it is a life long process. But it is the people who don't use practice to learn to adapt to different situations that end up clueless or surprised during matches. You also still need to work with your coach on adapting to the no spin ball. Don't let the topic slide.
The reason that you jump up when playing is because your bat isn't starting low enough, your body is intelligent so it make a small jump upwards to adjust so that you don't miss and can hit with decent quality. If your bat and body start lower, you'll be able to put all of your energy forwards and into the ball.
Good luck on your quest! Your musculature isn't explosive enough yet so you tense up. When I start playing after a break the first few sessions are always like this, I am out of breath and my shoulders tense up. Try to be as loose as you can! It can take a while, but for me that seems your biggest problem.
Don't listen to too much bad advice from people you have never seen play. You are doing the right thing by working on looping half long balls and the use of the forearm and wrist is what does most of the work, not so much the body though it can help. Just continue practicing. The reason why it will raise your level fast is that most players under 2000 do not know how to serve tight short serves. They usually serve long or they serve short but high. Both serves give you opportunities but you can only be patient enough to take advantage if you are always patient enough to find the half long before attacking as opposed to being ready to push anything that looks superficially short. Never trust the length of any down the line serve, to your forehand those are almost always long below the pro level.
That's a good point - I need to develop more confidence looping during serve receive (especially against fast long balls to my FH). I'm most confident looping off my own set-up (usually my push which causes opponent to push back) but adapting my loop to all situations should help my game a lot
"50% of table tennis is serve" Get a cheap table if you can. You will jump 100s of points by having a good serve and you can practice alone. I'm autistic with my serves. I probably do, when it's not freezing here in Chicago, around 1000-2000 serves a week. But if I practiced my fh or bh as much as my serve, I would be a much better player, but there is something about winning a point from your serve that is so satisfying. Apart from the obvious edge of having a good serve, you have a mental edge as well. You have decent serves, but they are way too high or bouncy. I wouldn't be able to do it, but someone rated 2000 with a good flick would probably attack those. If you're not in California or NY, I can see you making it to 2000.
Nice vid! You have a good coach, although i hope he gives a bit more attention to developing that bh. Idk what kind of aggressive bh you are going for but to me it looks like you are still trying to loop the ball instead of driving through using forearm (as your coach mentioned) and adding a little wrist flick on contact. I dont play short pips bh atm but I did play it for a small period.
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From what I can tell, wha the is saying is basically that in Joola Teams due to the way the rating system works in conjunction with the tournament, it is a lot easier for players to "gain" rating compared to most traditional tournaments.
@LevelUpCewb Thanks. I got the point but I don't understand how it works. You also need to beat higher rated players to gain points in the Joola team. The higher rated players will also lose rating points if they lose. I don't understand why the players I know all get a higher rating after playing in the tournament.
With the format at Joola Teams (5-9 singles matches in each team match, 4 preliminary team matches, 7 team matches in the division RR, and division semis & finals if your team advances by finishing top 2 in the group), most players will play many matches, hence many chances to gain points. You might match up well against some of your opponents rated higher than you. Sometimes just a few wins like that will get your rating adjusted. Sometimes players do lose many points here.
So I think there are three main reasons the tourneys mentioned (US Nationals, US Open, and Joola Team) are opportunity tournaments: 1. You have the opportunity to play more matches compared to most tourneys 2. Separated Junior and Adults so you don't face a bunch of underrated kids (at least for US Open and Nationals I think) 3. You face a different player pool - if I just play at SPTTC for all my tourneys, it's very similar to just playing league. SPTTC is filled with weird rubbers (mainly long pips) so getting to 2000 rating solely in these tourneys would look a lot different compared to if I played people from different clubs / states On that last point, I think Washington is one of the more competitive states (maybe not as competitive as Cali and NJ) so it would probably be easier to reach 2000 if I faced against people from other parts of the US
Yeah I had to get adjusted to the feed since I'm not used to crouching down so long looping half-long balls. Normally in-game, it's from a different set-up
4 hours of coaching a week? how expensive is coaching in amercia? Not judging or saying it isnt worth, just curious cause in germany most of the public coaching is like 50 euros(a lot more like 60 to 70) + which would be pretty expensive to do 4 hours a week. Also people are rarely overrated. They might get small peaks above their real rating, but in general people need to be able to consitently beat people till 2200 to hit 2200 it is hard to get there by luck. Losing once to a lower rated player or not performaing that well vs one Doesnt change that in avarage he beats people of that level.
That's a good point about the overrated aspect - honestly in that match I got pretty lucky with net / edges which titled my 2200 level opponent. He was also missing a ton of his shots via hitting the net as well so it's hard to say what would happen if we played a few more times So I only pay for 1 hour of 1:1 lesson and then I have group lesson as well which is 3 hours. I'm a member of my club so both cost $75 meaning I'm spending $150 / week + membership fee (which varies based off duration)
use more body and stand lower because you stay to high,also during matches you dont move alot so if they play you left right mostly you lose a point or make a mistake.And you dont relax wrists, accelerate when hitting the ball.Improve this and you will get to 2000
Try & be relax in the shoulder & grip. Too mechanical. Relax.. stay loose. Grip the bat just before making contact with the ball. Get that whipping action. You know like whipping a wet towel? Stay relax in the shoulder, grip/wrist. When u are far from the table, i noticed your shots dont hv a lot of peneteration. Not enough spin, not enough speed. Whip the ball...
Hey Dude, when you start to learn new techniques, you get worse in the short-term before you get better. In the beginning you are thinking about the new technique during matches and it affects your game. As you learn and practice. It becomes ingrained and more instinctive. You will start to see all the benefits of of it all. Keep up the good work, we are all here to encourage you.
Your coach is hilarious, really looking forward to the rest of these vids!
Coach Richard is a monstah - I've never seen such a large man move like a gazelle
Awesome stuff man. Focus, do, and learn. You can surprise yourself. Im trying to get back into Table tennis and these videos are great.
Hi Josh,
i really enjoy watching your series after i found your channel 1 month ago. For the ''road to 2000'' i want to share some thoughts:
1. It is funny that you think you can reach your goal faster because of your pips. In my opinion thats what will holding you back in the future if you not improve drastically. You have a decent FH and i am sure you will improve it even more with the help of your coach. But on the BH you are playing very passive because if you trying to be more active it is very very inconsistent. Of course weaker player will struggle with the blocks but against better opponents you cant rely on their mistakes anymore. You have to develop a more oppresive style with the pips to really actively score a point and not by getting points from an unforced error of the opponent. I am not familiar with the USATT rating because i live in germany but i think i am around 2000-2100 and noone on my level is afraid of pips. It is just a different playstyle to play against.
2. It would be impressive if you had won against Iouri but please keep in mind: On the road to 2000 it is more important to win all games against weaker players and losing against 1 strong player instead of winning against 1 strong player and losing against 2,3,4... weaker players afterwards.
Wish you all the best.
Best regards
Bl4nkyy
Thanks man - I feel like currently my BH has a lot of untapped potential so I'm hoping that once I'm able to unlock it, should help my game improve a lot!
Interesting observation about beating weaker players and losing to 1 strong player, I actually think that's true since you often hear people say they beat someone rated 200 points higher, but still lose to people rated 100-200 points lower. I think that's what makes 2000 such an interesting benchmark since at that level, you should be able to consistently beat upper intermediate players (e.g. 1800-1900s)
haha. You can feel coach Richard's power and authority when he's speaking Chinese. Love how you guys bounce back and forth between the two languages.
Damn! I'm excited for your improvement dude! Also, I'm learning at the same time. I can definitely use some of Richard's teachings to improve my game
don't listen to these people - JUST LISTEN to Richard. He's getting you to 2000, not these strangers!
i felt the burn on the legs when u do the footwork drills...lol
Lol it was brutal
Nice series dude. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy the journey, not just the destination. P.S. short shorts for the win!
LOL I'm tryna bring the short shorts back!
Hi mate, good luck on the new goal. For bh short pips, might be worth while checking out the woman's pro players, in paricular Mima Ito and He Zhuo Jia to unlock it's potential (offensively and defensively). Looking forward to tracking your progress over the next 6 months!
When you make mistakes on a stroke, never take it as an absolute flaw or something you always need to think through. A lot of adaptation just comes through trial and adjustment. Sometimes, looking for a description of what you should do is not as important as trying and getting feedback on your attempts. When you need a bigger stroke, you need to finish past salute somewhat using the core to drive it. Just try it and adjust. Or try anything your coach shows you and adjust to his feedback. You don't have to get it immediately on the table, you just have to try to do exactly what he is saying and then adapt to his feedback.
Totally agreed - the reason table tennis is so frustrating and rewarding at the same time is all the micro adjustments required to play a good shot
@@musclepong not necessarily. Pros miss too and they train and microadjust all the time. Just use the prior experience and your read of the ball to adapt. And don't beat up yourself, it is a life long process. But it is the people who don't use practice to learn to adapt to different situations that end up clueless or surprised during matches. You also still need to work with your coach on adapting to the no spin ball. Don't let the topic slide.
This is so true. Sometimes you miss a ball but that does not mean the principles and global form were wrong
The reason that you jump up when playing is because your bat isn't starting low enough, your body is intelligent so it make a small jump upwards to adjust so that you don't miss and can hit with decent quality. If your bat and body start lower, you'll be able to put all of your energy forwards and into the ball.
Interesting observation - definitely trying to stay lower when I play
Good luck on your quest! Your musculature isn't explosive enough yet so you tense up. When I start playing after a break the first few sessions are always like this, I am out of breath and my shoulders tense up. Try to be as loose as you can! It can take a while, but for me that seems your biggest problem.
Don't listen to too much bad advice from people you have never seen play. You are doing the right thing by working on looping half long balls and the use of the forearm and wrist is what does most of the work, not so much the body though it can help. Just continue practicing. The reason why it will raise your level fast is that most players under 2000 do not know how to serve tight short serves. They usually serve long or they serve short but high. Both serves give you opportunities but you can only be patient enough to take advantage if you are always patient enough to find the half long before attacking as opposed to being ready to push anything that looks superficially short. Never trust the length of any down the line serve, to your forehand those are almost always long below the pro level.
That's a good point - I need to develop more confidence looping during serve receive (especially against fast long balls to my FH). I'm most confident looping off my own set-up (usually my push which causes opponent to push back) but adapting my loop to all situations should help my game a lot
"50% of table tennis is serve"
Get a cheap table if you can. You will jump 100s of points by having a good serve and you can practice alone.
I'm autistic with my serves. I probably do, when it's not freezing here in Chicago, around 1000-2000 serves a week. But if I practiced my fh or bh as much as my serve, I would be a much better player, but there is something about winning a point from your serve that is so satisfying.
Apart from the obvious edge of having a good serve, you have a mental edge as well.
You have decent serves, but they are way too high or bouncy. I wouldn't be able to do it, but someone rated 2000 with a good flick would probably attack those.
If you're not in California or NY, I can see you making it to 2000.
What is your favorite serve?
That's good advice - definitely need to start putting in work on my serve game
@ Corkscrew is probably my favorite to serve since not many people use it and the dramatic curve catches people off guard at times
Nice vid! You have a good coach, although i hope he gives a bit more attention to developing that bh.
Idk what kind of aggressive bh you are going for but to me it looks like you are still trying to loop the ball instead of driving through using forearm (as your coach mentioned) and adding a little wrist flick on contact. I dont play short pips bh atm but I did play it for a small period.
That will be a focal point of the Road to 2000 series - bringing up my short pips BH (specifically being more aggressive with it)
你正手主要解决的的关键问题是重心迎前往前站。加强还原。练对了半年达到你的目标没难度！之前无意中看到你Us Open的视频，太搞笑了，拍的很有意思，居然看完了。
谢谢你的反馈和支持！我同意，我确实需要学会用前冲的力量去拉球...因为我最开始是从拉下旋球开始学的（为了练好我的第三板进攻），所以养成了一个习惯，总是往上发力去拉球
Where do you get your hurricane from?
He got it from me lol jk. You watch him too?? lmaooooo
I used to get it from my buddy who ordered it from China, but he just moved away... so we will cross that bridge when I get there lol
Aliexpress makes getting Hurricane easy. Just gotta wait for 2 week shipping. I buy my H3 Neo provincial #22 for like $40-45 a sheet by waiting for sales and stacking different discounts. You can get the #20 for like $35-40. I've bought national grade for as low as ~$55
Nuevo seguidor🎉
Which chinese team is the coach from?
He played professionally for the Tianjin provincial team
Why Joola team is very easy ? It's interesting because I saw some players get a big increase in rating after participating in the Joola team events.
From what I can tell, wha the is saying is basically that in Joola Teams due to the way the rating system works in conjunction with the tournament, it is a lot easier for players to "gain" rating compared to most traditional tournaments.
@LevelUpCewb Thanks. I got the point but I don't understand how it works. You also need to beat higher rated players to gain points in the Joola team. The higher rated players will also lose rating points if they lose. I don't understand why the players I know all get a higher rating after playing in the tournament.
With the format at Joola Teams (5-9 singles matches in each team match, 4 preliminary team matches, 7 team matches in the division RR, and division semis & finals if your team advances by finishing top 2 in the group), most players will play many matches, hence many chances to gain points. You might match up well against some of your opponents rated higher than you. Sometimes just a few wins like that will get your rating adjusted. Sometimes players do lose many points here.
So I think there are three main reasons the tourneys mentioned (US Nationals, US Open, and Joola Team) are opportunity tournaments:
1. You have the opportunity to play more matches compared to most tourneys
2. Separated Junior and Adults so you don't face a bunch of underrated kids (at least for US Open and Nationals I think)
3. You face a different player pool - if I just play at SPTTC for all my tourneys, it's very similar to just playing league. SPTTC is filled with weird rubbers (mainly long pips) so getting to 2000 rating solely in these tourneys would look a lot different compared to if I played people from different clubs / states
On that last point, I think Washington is one of the more competitive states (maybe not as competitive as Cali and NJ) so it would probably be easier to reach 2000 if I faced against people from other parts of the US
hahah the thing about ratings is that it isn't linear, its exponential.... you are a big dood, need those legs to support that upper body.
u should use a lot more legs and body against half long balls it works right now
cuz coach richard isnt putting much spin on the ball
Yeah I had to get adjusted to the feed since I'm not used to crouching down so long looping half-long balls. Normally in-game, it's from a different set-up
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2500 level chole
4 hours of coaching a week? how expensive is coaching in amercia? Not judging or saying it isnt worth, just curious cause in germany most of the public coaching is like 50 euros(a lot more like 60 to 70) + which would be pretty expensive to do 4 hours a week. Also people are rarely overrated. They might get small peaks above their real rating, but in general people need to be able to consitently beat people till 2200 to hit 2200 it is hard to get there by luck. Losing once to a lower rated player or not performaing that well vs one Doesnt change that in avarage he beats people of that level.
That's a good point about the overrated aspect - honestly in that match I got pretty lucky with net / edges which titled my 2200 level opponent. He was also missing a ton of his shots via hitting the net as well so it's hard to say what would happen if we played a few more times
So I only pay for 1 hour of 1:1 lesson and then I have group lesson as well which is 3 hours. I'm a member of my club so both cost $75 meaning I'm spending $150 / week + membership fee (which varies based off duration)
use more body and stand lower because you stay to high,also during matches you dont move alot so if they play you left right mostly you lose a point or make a mistake.And you dont relax wrists, accelerate when hitting the ball.Improve this and you will get to 2000
这教练一边说视频要传到网上，一边满嘴脏话, 这时候他的responsibility去哪了？🤣🤣🤣
忘了把他的“战话”剪掉了😅
Try & be relax in the shoulder & grip.
Too mechanical.
Relax.. stay loose.
Grip the bat just before making contact with the ball.
Get that whipping action. You know like whipping a wet towel? Stay relax in the shoulder, grip/wrist.
When u are far from the table, i noticed your shots dont hv a lot of peneteration. Not enough spin, not enough speed.
Whip the ball...
Relaxing your arm in table tennis is one of the easiest thing in concept, but hardest to implement irl
Yeah you have to relax to play with power, it's so unintuitive at first... i'm struggling a lot with that as well