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  • Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
  • The Defiant X faced cancellation after the U.S. Army chose Bell’s V-280 Valor tiltrotor aircraft. The U.S. Government concluded that Sikorsky’s proposal was “technically unacceptable” due to a failure to substantiate subsystem design in the digital architecture fully.

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  • @gemerat
    @gemerat 3 місяці тому +1737

    They forgot that they were trying to sell it to US Army, not the international market. Stuff is never expensive enough for the US.

    • @kurtasee2314
      @kurtasee2314 3 місяці тому +125

      A lot of it has to do with who is behind the company and investors, shareholders if the politicians arnt involved in the company the they won't choose the company to skim as much taxpayer money as they can

    • @Rick-np9vz
      @Rick-np9vz 3 місяці тому +45

      ​@@kurtasee2314why ya gotta be giving up political secrets?

    • @pofuno
      @pofuno 3 місяці тому +4

      Dam right it's why we are number one in the world

    • @kurtasee2314
      @kurtasee2314 3 місяці тому

      @@Rick-np9vz right though some people get laid big bucks for this info l00l

    • @Rick-np9vz
      @Rick-np9vz 3 місяці тому +36

      @@pofuno that is not always a good thing!
      Because we got more idiots per capita than any other country in the world!
      And I for one am not proud of that ranking!

  • @70newlife
    @70newlife 3 місяці тому +1826

    Can't have a cheaper solution can they? 😂😂

    • @thierryfaquet7405
      @thierryfaquet7405 3 місяці тому +131

      If they don’t spend more their budget will be diminished

    • @rafalIL29
      @rafalIL29 3 місяці тому +15

      Word🤯

    • @DmitriyTonyuk
      @DmitriyTonyuk 3 місяці тому +57

      Can't have somebody just win a bid saying they'll build it for a $100, but end up charging millions more per airframe once the production starts either

    • @youngsandwich967
      @youngsandwich967 3 місяці тому +18

      its because obviously it being so much cheaper that it seems a scam or some crazy shit is going on behind the scenes

    • @DmitriyTonyuk
      @DmitriyTonyuk 3 місяці тому

      @@youngsandwich967 When Lockheed and Northrup were competing for the 5th gen fighter, Northrup had a few corruption scandals just a couple years prior, and they were running enormous cost overruns on the B-2 Spirit program, which heavily influence the Pentagon to select Lockheed with their prototype to continue the program. If your last project was running way over budget, then the chances are that your next one will probably be doing the same.
      Not sure what Sikorsky has done recently (besides few safety issues and grounding of the entire fleet of S-92 helicopters a few years ago), but one would have to look in the last 5-6 orders/programs and see if they are running over budget, or if the fleet ends up staying grounded more time than flying, or it could be that another Sikorsky program (CH-53) carries the infamous US Navy's "crown" of having the highest accident rate. All in all, multiple considerations are going in when the decision is being contemplated, price is just one of them, and if the price seems like it's too low and going to skyrocket later - that project will get canned. Same thing is with previous programs, and their success/ failure will play into the overall decision.

  • @SOU6900
    @SOU6900 3 місяці тому +772

    Up there with the Comanche in terms of coolness.

    • @Rick-np9vz
      @Rick-np9vz 3 місяці тому +15

      This is much cooler than the Comanche by about 120 m.p.h. !

    • @SOU6900
      @SOU6900 3 місяці тому +12

      @@Rick-np9vz I'll take the Comanche anyway 😏

    • @Rick-np9vz
      @Rick-np9vz 3 місяці тому +12

      @@SOU6900 actually that 120mph is a gross understatement
      This thing has been over 350mph which is about twice as fast as the Comanche!
      But I get you the Comanche looks cooler!

    • @chrismayer3919
      @chrismayer3919 3 місяці тому +3

      @@Rick-np9vz No, the AH-64 Apache is the king of combat choppers!

    • @Rick-np9vz
      @Rick-np9vz 3 місяці тому

      @@chrismayer3919 only because!
      And you're aware of why!

  • @ru5h7
    @ru5h7 3 місяці тому +414

    Stupid Decision. Should have choose both. Defiant is 50% more power then Chinook and extremely fast.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +24

      ... the Valor was better in nearly everyway...

    • @ummijaan1448
      @ummijaan1448 3 місяці тому

      ​@@n3v3rforgott3n9was!!?

    • @solarissv777
      @solarissv777 3 місяці тому

      ​@@n3v3rforgott3n9And it worked

    • @rh906
      @rh906 3 місяці тому +8

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9 Nom nom

    • @blueridgeocean
      @blueridgeocean 3 місяці тому +10

      We need something with more advanced equipment. Its like buying a very cool and fast car that doesn't have ABS, heated seats, and other advanced features. You can install these parts yourself but it would cost you soooo much more than if you just bought one with these features installed by the manufacturer.

  • @chrismayer3919
    @chrismayer3919 3 місяці тому +526

    Sikorsky KNOWS helicopters! You want the best? Look to them.

    • @jackrussellthevrgamer4209
      @jackrussellthevrgamer4209 3 місяці тому +26

      Well so does bell they’re both helicopter manufacturers

    • @chrismayer3919
      @chrismayer3919 3 місяці тому +7

      @@jackrussellthevrgamer4209 which invented the helicopter first?

    • @bl8danjil
      @bl8danjil 3 місяці тому +8

      CH-53 mishap record says otherwise.

    • @Guranga93
      @Guranga93 3 місяці тому +18

      @@chrismayer3919 That is not a good argument, Who invented the airplane? Who invented the car?Also Sikorsky didn't invent the helicopter.

    • @chrismayer3919
      @chrismayer3919 3 місяці тому +5

      @@Guranga93 the Wright Brothers; Daimler Benz; and Mother Nature invented the first (flower) helicopter!

  • @jg3000
    @jg3000 3 місяці тому +417

    The helicopter would fit places the tilt rotar aircraft wouldn't.

    • @ericstyles3724
      @ericstyles3724 3 місяці тому +59

      ...& & & the stable helicopter wouldn't crash 5% as much as the tiltrotor does.

    • @shaftomite007
      @shaftomite007 3 місяці тому +5

      Yeah we already have plenty of helicopters that will do that

    • @shaftomite007
      @shaftomite007 3 місяці тому +5

      Yeah we already have plenty of helicopters that will do that

    • @shwilliedude973
      @shwilliedude973 3 місяці тому

      especially in the tilt rotor craft ​@@shaftomite007

    • @4godadddygo
      @4godadddygo 3 місяці тому +19

      Can they do it over 250 mph

  • @garyhill2740
    @garyhill2740 3 місяці тому +226

    They have a history of doing that. They canceled the AH-56 Cheyenne and bought the Apache instead. Wasted scads of development money and caused the demise of the Lockheed rotary wing division, all to replace a next gen design with a step backwards.
    American bureaucracy in action.

    • @rogersmith8480
      @rogersmith8480 3 місяці тому +1

      👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @jimmyb4728
      @jimmyb4728 3 місяці тому +20

      Sir, you are absolutely correct, and what makes it worse is that they don't get the more expensive one because it's a better design, they get it so the generals, admirals, and defense companies can stuff their pockets

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@jimmyb4728you didn't do any research into the program if you think that...

    • @rohlfing63
      @rohlfing63 3 місяці тому +9

      The Cheyenne had a significant problem with the dynamics of its rigid rotor system, an issue they couldn't resolve within the timeframe of the selection process. The Apache is a fine piece of equipment. The Cheyenne could have been as well, but a failure mode that can decapitate the pilot is pretty problematic.

    • @rogersmith8480
      @rogersmith8480 3 місяці тому +2

      @@rohlfing63 According to the report, that rigid rotor system was fixed, but just barely in time. This happened again with the Sikorsky helicopter, but maybe they will use the Sikorsky helicopter for Special Military Operations.

  • @ooreofe1
    @ooreofe1 3 місяці тому +395

    DOD is good at wasting taxpayers money on military toys and then abandon them for what.😅😅😅😅

    • @acel2413
      @acel2413 3 місяці тому +21

      thats what the process for selecting aircraft is. dont make stupid comments without understanding how things work.

    • @gcb345
      @gcb345 3 місяці тому +40

      @@acel2413 Maybe you don't understand how things work! I'm retired navy and I've seen lots of failures, that cost taxpayers lots of money.

    • @acel2413
      @acel2413 3 місяці тому +4

      @@gcb345 the reason why i said that was under the impression the guy was implying that the military decided to build the helicopter just because and not because they have to shop around and select the better one for their needs.

    • @ooreofe1
      @ooreofe1 3 місяці тому +23

      @@acel2413
      It looks like you love having your taxes wasted on defense equipments. People like you love to complain about national debt but you refuse to do the math. Remember Roman empire 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @pappagone6066
      @pappagone6066 3 місяці тому

      seen results of the empire making hundrds of rogue criminal events very far from home only to mantain the level of stealing taxpayers money and the criminal behavior of politic demoniac projects

  • @michaeltutty1540
    @michaeltutty1540 3 місяці тому +226

    In Toronto, Ontario, Sikorsky will always be famous for Elsa, the Sky Crane. For those of us of a certain age, watching Olga deliver her payload to the top of the CN Tower, thereby turning the tower into the World's Tallest Freestanding Structure was a sight never to be forgotten.

    • @wiredforstereo
      @wiredforstereo 3 місяці тому +5

      I get to drive by the Sky Crane factory regularly.

    • @bentonmarcum8924
      @bentonmarcum8924 3 місяці тому +4

      The Burj Khalifa in Dubai is the world's tallest free standing structure

    • @guestofearth
      @guestofearth 3 місяці тому +12

      ​@@bentonmarcum8924 it wasn't always

    • @benargee
      @benargee 3 місяці тому +9

      @@bentonmarcum8924 He is speaking of when it was built. Not the record today.

    • @nayanjittilak2584
      @nayanjittilak2584 2 місяці тому

      ​@@bentonmarcum8924: He's referring to that specific time mate. English much?

  • @BigDoctorGee
    @BigDoctorGee 3 місяці тому +70

    The X in Defiant X stands for Exceptional.

    • @nwbklr
      @nwbklr 3 місяці тому +3

      Or it stands for, CANCELLED.
      😂

  • @StormyWolf66
    @StormyWolf66 3 місяці тому +136

    I feel sorry for DefiantX. 😢
    They've built this in hope of being accepted ... I'm sure, they'll do an "out of this world" one next time. 😊

    • @rh906
      @rh906 3 місяці тому +1

      Nah, Sikorsky likely overspent and gets force to merge into one of the Big Two.

    • @rjmcfly202
      @rjmcfly202 3 місяці тому

      Greatstuff 🏁🎖️👏

    • @Jayv1313
      @Jayv1313 3 місяці тому +4

      Y'all do know Boeing AND Sikorsky made the Defiant X right? BOEING!!!!

    • @rfichokeofdestiny
      @rfichokeofdestiny 3 місяці тому

      I feel sorry for the taxpayers who are getting soaked yet again to build stuff we don't need so the big swinging pricks in DC can pretend they matter.

  • @leonjourney8334
    @leonjourney8334 3 місяці тому +7

    The problem was with it's range. It was a long range assault contract bid. The Army wasn't worried about less flight time. Carried less pax and had the same range as the uh60.

  • @gregrobison3269
    @gregrobison3269 3 місяці тому +32

    Thank goodness for the lobbyist 😂 Bell must have paid a ton

  • @antonjoseph3307
    @antonjoseph3307 3 місяці тому +156

    It's about pork for friends and family.

    • @Paul-hz9lr
      @Paul-hz9lr 3 місяці тому +2

      That is sick! Funny AF! But still sick. . .#peopletastelikepork

    • @cave.dweller.mediocrates
      @cave.dweller.mediocrates 3 місяці тому +4

      You got that right!

    • @kittytrail
      @kittytrail 3 місяці тому +6

      pork barrelling is one of America most ancient institutions. 🐷👌

    • @Cyrribrae
      @Cyrribrae 3 місяці тому

      Lol. Except sikorsky got a different contract. Let's not be dumb people. In this case, you want all of your military manufacturers to stay in business and maintain production capacity. It's an investment. And both craft are great. Hell, lots of people think the F22 isn't as good as the other plane it beat. And yet you'd have to be pretty stupid to think that means the F22 isn't pretty damn impressive.

  • @robertd57i989
    @robertd57i989 3 місяці тому +100

    I guess the Army wants their own Osprey problems

    • @thomasvelazquez9789
      @thomasvelazquez9789 3 місяці тому +3

      Research that especially the latest Osprey which actually differs from the Army 280 it will be fine and extremely capable

    • @peterrooney3780
      @peterrooney3780 3 місяці тому +3

      The army has had ospreys for quite a while now. I flew in one in the early 2000s

    • @robertd57i989
      @robertd57i989 3 місяці тому +10

      @@thomasvelazquez9789 thats good. My buddy was in the Marines and they were always afraid of them due to all the crashes. Said when to rotors pitch forward it was a sickening feeling like you were dropping.

    • @robertd57i989
      @robertd57i989 3 місяці тому +3

      @@peterrooney3780 nice. I thought only the Marines got paired with them bc thats all i really see

    • @dallasyap3064
      @dallasyap3064 3 місяці тому

      ​@@peterrooney3780 The Army doesn't have Osprey.

  • @DarthVader-ESB
    @DarthVader-ESB 3 місяці тому +105

    I was there for the first flight and it was fast... crazy fast.😮 and sounds like a swarm of bees when it flies

    • @Bryan-cd9cl
      @Bryan-cd9cl 3 місяці тому

      Try mi-24 or mi_24....u should find me

    • @evreet2000
      @evreet2000 3 місяці тому +1

      Crazy fast?? 50 knots/hour SLOWER than the V-280.

    • @monadking2761
      @monadking2761 3 місяці тому

      I also met Ken, the pilot of that flight.

  • @VanquishedAgain
    @VanquishedAgain 3 місяці тому +10

    US Govt: sorry its not expensive enough

  • @robertgolden1080
    @robertgolden1080 3 місяці тому +213

    I’m am so glad I retired from the Army a few years ago. I want nothing to do with the Bell tilt rotor. Huge mistake. Just look at the V-22 Osprey. Nice science experiment. Now put it in a museum and never bring it back out.

    • @peterrooney3780
      @peterrooney3780 3 місяці тому +39

      I agree. It's not a good idea to keep using an imperfect design that has resulted in dozens of American servicemembers deaths, all from accidents. They need to fix the design or park them forever

    • @thomasvelazquez9789
      @thomasvelazquez9789 3 місяці тому +5

      @@peterrooney3780 it's not exactly the same

    • @peterrooney3780
      @peterrooney3780 3 місяці тому +16

      @@thomasvelazquez9789 I know. The tilt rotor design is what I'm seeing they need to perfect or get rid of

    • @vicariousjohnson9823
      @vicariousjohnson9823 3 місяці тому +24

      @@peterrooney3780 Like it or not, almost every military aviation platform has a painful entry into service. Going through training to be a Marine Corps pilot, the saying was NATOPS is written in blood. Cutting edge aircraft flying in high risk environments on high risk missions.

    • @peterrooney3780
      @peterrooney3780 3 місяці тому +28

      @@vicariousjohnson9823 these things are crashing on routine missions and training. The platform itself is high risk, without much reward. The clutch sucks and they've never fixed the problem. I've ridden in ospreys in Iraq, they weren't that impressive besides being able to carry some more people. To go down with the aircraft when it crashes because of poor design.

  • @samson321anderson
    @samson321anderson 3 місяці тому +24

    Let me get this straight don’t we already have an osprey that crashes more often than it should that valour aircraft looks a lot like an osprey with a tilt rotor design… it makes no sense that looks like it was a very good design to replace the black hawk and chinook

    • @kallah4999
      @kallah4999 3 місяці тому +2

      Yeah, but the Valor was more crappy and expensive making them able to spend more money unnecessary.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +3

      It is not replacing the Chinook. The osprey does not crash more than similar platforms.

    • @spartum1337
      @spartum1337 3 місяці тому +4

      Osprey is more comple. The 280 valor sampler then osprey. Valor using just tilted enigine. Much less to brake. Osprey whole wing move, along with the enigine.

    • @EzraCannon-xp9is
      @EzraCannon-xp9is 3 місяці тому +2

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9 The Osprey does crash more often...... you really need to look at the reports.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      @EzraCannon-xp9is and you need to stop getting all of your info from social media. The osprey brings in clicks, so they report on any incident with it. Meanwhile, 11 black hawks crashed in 2023 alone. The Air Force operates both the osprey and black hawk. Their ospreys sit at 1.02 annual crash rate over the last 10 years. Their black hawks sit at 1.70...

  • @1st_SGT_Bussey
    @1st_SGT_Bussey 3 місяці тому +10

    Defient x > osprey
    This looks more slick practical, and uses tried and tested tech the osprey looks over engineered big asf and like a logistical strain However the rule of cool definetely applies to both

  • @madbager1
    @madbager1 3 місяці тому +108

    So they'd rather sign a contract and produce a death tap! Makes sense

    • @saltyfloridaman7163
      @saltyfloridaman7163 3 місяці тому +1

      Maybe it can have a parachute capsule like some sketches shown

    • @Masterafro999
      @Masterafro999 3 місяці тому +7

      ​@@saltyfloridaman7163whilst the rest of the passengers pray for a quick death 😂 right.

    • @thomasvelazquez9789
      @thomasvelazquez9789 3 місяці тому

      Wrong

    • @Hurst6969
      @Hurst6969 3 місяці тому +4

      exactly
      go WOKE go broke

    • @user-ot9gi5qn6y
      @user-ot9gi5qn6y 3 місяці тому

      I'm sure every pilot would trust and perfer this helicopter

  • @benmlee
    @benmlee 3 місяці тому +4

    Tell us about the rotor vibration at high forward speed. Helicopter rotors are not designed for fast forward flights hence the tilt rotor.

  • @vomitkermit3446
    @vomitkermit3446 3 місяці тому +17

    So Bell put more money under the table. That is what happened.

    • @solarissv777
      @solarissv777 3 місяці тому +1

      And their bid was flying several years earlier than Defiant, and bet all speed and range goals, while Sikorsky's bid struggled with vibration

  • @user-dm1jw1gy5q
    @user-dm1jw1gy5q 3 місяці тому +80

    UA-cam should not be able to withhold what I have to say about our countries security problems

    • @leight420
      @leight420 3 місяці тому

      youtube is withholding a lot more than that, free speech is nothing but a dream
      in today's society

    • @B.A.D._MX
      @B.A.D._MX 3 місяці тому +20

      What do you expect from seditious traitors.

    • @shaftomite007
      @shaftomite007 3 місяці тому +6

      ​@@B.A.D._MXI didn't hear him asking about Trump supporters 😂😂😂

    • @arthurneddysmith
      @arthurneddysmith 3 місяці тому +1

      No rational-minded person would believe you have anything worthy to say. You can't even punctuate "country's" properly.

    • @AceBadguy72
      @AceBadguy72 3 місяці тому

      Wut ?

  • @andrewrowe8768
    @andrewrowe8768 3 місяці тому +4

    To put it into average Joe speak, they forgot to add in the price of the backroom deals to get it approved

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      The Defiant was completely outclassed...

  • @mowgli2071
    @mowgli2071 3 місяці тому +16

    "Helicopters that never fly" Except we're literally watching it fly.

  • @richardx6884
    @richardx6884 3 місяці тому +3

    Classic mistake. The military bids contracts with specific requirements. It doesn't matter how good the platform is, if the Co. doesn't meet EVERY requirement they will not get the contract. Substantiate subsystems in the digital architecture fully means exactly that and nothing less. They have no chance getting a contract with any US branch until they can meet that requirement.

  • @kilonovx-ray9382
    @kilonovx-ray9382 3 місяці тому +4

    If it was turned into a gunship it could dominate close air support , depending on it’s maneuvering capabilities
    It is a sexy aircraft

  • @gabedarrett1301
    @gabedarrett1301 3 місяці тому +39

    I thought it was recently cancelled as part of the FARA program

    • @Across_Media
      @Across_Media  3 місяці тому +7

      You are right.

    • @jusjetz
      @jusjetz 3 місяці тому +8

      Why would they cancel when they were this close to perfect this aircraft. It takes a lot of time! Are we all impatient nowadays?

    • @gabedarrett1301
      @gabedarrett1301 3 місяці тому +12

      @@jusjetz I'm paraphrasing but the military said they've analyzed the war in Ukraine and determined that drones were better. I was upset too when I found out it was being cancelled

    • @user-ik8ok9qh2u
      @user-ik8ok9qh2u 3 місяці тому +5

      I thought they picked that tilt rotor design, which was not as kick ass as this helicopter.

    • @xyves3295
      @xyves3295 3 місяці тому +12

      It was the Sikorsky Raider X that was cancelled in FARA but it shares the push rotor and dual rotor design just as an attack helicopter

  • @cjjonez
    @cjjonez 3 місяці тому +34

    can they still build this and sell them on the market.

    • @tetrabromobisphenol
      @tetrabromobisphenol 3 місяці тому

      Sadly no, because of ITAR and export control issues. Our government has become terminally stupid and corrupt.

    • @xTheZapper
      @xTheZapper 3 місяці тому +6

      Unlikely, I'm pretty sure you need a large order before you can start mass production, they can't afford to set all that up then hope to sell them.
      Also, it depends if the US gov would let them export it.

    • @gerhardma4687
      @gerhardma4687 3 місяці тому

      If the US Army is already turning it down because of the price, among other things, which country will be able and willing to afford this thing? I don't know of any.

    • @cjjonez
      @cjjonez 3 місяці тому +2

      @gerhardma4687 the united states isn't the only country that got money. my point is if you got a superior product if national security don't prevent from being sold. why not produce and sell. don't sound very capitalistic it's corporate welfare prevent it.

  • @coltonconnor112
    @coltonconnor112 3 місяці тому +6

    Why wouldn't the army pick the more expensive one

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +4

      The GAO basically called out sikorsky for trying to low ball the contract trying to secure it and not able to back up their numbers.

  • @Patrick-ru4ur
    @Patrick-ru4ur 3 місяці тому +9

    So, basically, there wasn't enough wiggle room to line their pockets exorbitantly.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +3

      It was just worse.

    • @Rick-np9vz
      @Rick-np9vz 3 місяці тому

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9 uh that's not entirely true!

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@Rick-np9vz slower, shorter range, carried less people, worse acceleration and deceleration, along with having multiple technical issues which resulted in 18 months of delays and a crash of one of the prototypes...

  • @gianlucagiglio-id5be
    @gianlucagiglio-id5be 3 місяці тому +7

    Hi, sorry if I intrude without technical preparation, the news from a month ago says that the Augusta Westland helicopter plane is not safe and yet they won the competition, Bell equal means?

  • @BAALABZV
    @BAALABZV 3 місяці тому +4

    I Prefer, Airwolf Both Types, &, The Russian Badboy, From Rambo, Those Were Cool Looking Copters.!

  • @jeffrobodeenyehcmon5925
    @jeffrobodeenyehcmon5925 2 місяці тому +1

    I have no problem with our government pouring money into our military. We kick butt.

  • @carlambroson8872
    @carlambroson8872 3 місяці тому +15

    Does anyone else hear the AirWolf theme?

  • @tlowensjr
    @tlowensjr 3 місяці тому +12

    Unlike Boeings commercial sector, their defense sector actually has remarkably high quality and impressive designs.

  • @firedogman2280
    @firedogman2280 2 місяці тому +1

    The reason why the army chose the bell valor is not because of cheapness or whatever. It is because they need a long range aircraft. The army is preparing for a island campaign, one of swift warfare. The V280 valor has a range and top speed that far outnumbers the Defiant. Its intended purpose is likely for island to island airborne QRF and assault

  • @joshmiller7525
    @joshmiller7525 3 місяці тому +7

    They designed this kind of helicopter years ago they chose the AH64 instead... we have come full circle because someone made a choice back then, they proved back then that this design was awesome.

  • @armandciabattari417
    @armandciabattari417 3 місяці тому +23

    The Ospreys are grounded. Who got paid off?

    • @YouHaventSeenMeRight
      @YouHaventSeenMeRight 3 місяці тому +10

      The V-280 is a new design, not the already in service Osprey. If the V-280 doesn't suffer from the issues that grounded the Ospreys, why would this matter?

    • @thomasvelazquez9789
      @thomasvelazquez9789 3 місяці тому +3

      What! They are flying

    • @ericstyles3724
      @ericstyles3724 3 місяці тому +7

      ​@@YouHaventSeenMeRight
      The BIG issue w the Osprey design is what to do when an engine loses power while landing...
      If you have 2 engines mounted far enough away from the centre of gravity, your ride is an accident waiting to happen.
      So stupid.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +4

      @@ericstyles3724 You don't even know the basics of the design yet are so against it...

  • @tomweickmann6414
    @tomweickmann6414 3 місяці тому +7

    How many died in development of the tilt rotor? A bunch.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +4

      Tilt rotors are not more dangerous than other similar platforms...

    • @Jamie-ig9vo
      @Jamie-ig9vo 3 місяці тому +3

      That's aviation in general.

    • @silaskuemmerle2505
      @silaskuemmerle2505 3 місяці тому +2

      Not as many as died in the development of the Blackhawk

    • @nercksrule
      @nercksrule 3 місяці тому

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9
      The platform is inherently less safe than normal rotorcraft. They cannot auto-rotate, so losing just one engine will cause an unrecoverable crash.

    • @Predator42ID
      @Predator42ID 3 місяці тому +1

      @@nercksrule Tiltrotors have a crash rate of 3.2. Helicopters crash rate of 9.8

  • @Zona-dw9rp
    @Zona-dw9rp 3 місяці тому +2

    How are they going to land the Bell tiltrotor in confined spaces? The Valor is not a good choice. Upgraded Blackhawks would have been a better option.

  • @Cruiser777
    @Cruiser777 3 місяці тому +2

    That is crazy.
    You won't get me on a V22 style ships. Those things are falling out of the sky.They kill more marines than the terrorist.

  • @umami0247
    @umami0247 3 місяці тому +28

    It’s ridiculous the political bull that takes place in the military. The tilt rotor is not a helicopter and has a very shaky safety record. I do believe the Sikorsky would have some maintenance issues in the field but it’s a much better get in get out platform as helicopters have the ability to not actually touch down to unload troops and with side exits are faster to get personal and gear out of the craft. Piss poor decisions being made here. And it’s cheaper to produce. Shows how corrupt the system is.

    • @dallasyap3064
      @dallasyap3064 3 місяці тому

      Defiant X would have more maneuverability to get in and out safer directly on a battlefield compared to the Valor.

  • @killerjase1
    @killerjase1 3 місяці тому +9

    Alright Boeing let’s not let this fall out the sky and kill our troops.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      It lost the competition....

    • @PothRacing
      @PothRacing 3 місяці тому

      You’re gonna be mad when you realize the Boeing made chinooks 60+ yrs old and they’re producing BLK 2 chinooks now🤣

  • @Callsign_Prophet
    @Callsign_Prophet Місяць тому +1

    When you see the V 280 you'll see why it won bois... Recruitment Posters✨️

  • @ihaveaboyfriendmeh1026
    @ihaveaboyfriendmeh1026 3 місяці тому

    US Army: If it's Boeing, we ain't buying 🤣

  • @asumazilla
    @asumazilla 3 місяці тому +4

    They should have got their design into terminator if they wanted to sell.

  • @karinchaney101
    @karinchaney101 3 місяці тому +10

    The Army and Marine Corp chose tiltrotor systems and that was foolish.

    • @kushnkanopy8940
      @kushnkanopy8940 3 місяці тому +1

      they solve the problem with osprey so the army is confident to use valor because of faster deployment and cargo

    • @TheScreaminTiger
      @TheScreaminTiger 3 місяці тому

      Sounds like someone has their hand in the pot since the tilt rotor is going to cost us tax payers more money. The Osprey plagued with problems and so many died testing it in the first place. It was almost cancelled many times, so why would they think this alternative would be any better?
      But these representatives have inside information and probably will make a fortune in investments after the Army takes delivery!!!

    • @TheScreaminTiger
      @TheScreaminTiger 3 місяці тому

      Sounds like someone has their hand in the pot since the tilt rotor is going to cost us tax payers more money. The Osprey plagued with problems and so many died testing it in the first place. It was almost cancelled many times, so why would they think this alternative would be any better?
      But these representatives have inside information and probably will make a fortune in investments after the Army takes delivery!!!

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@TheScreaminTiger you sound like someone who has done zero research...

    • @karinchaney101
      @karinchaney101 3 місяці тому +1

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9 Not much research needed, the tilt rotor have been and maint headache since day one, you could know that by watching the news. Not to mention the entire fleet has been grounded more then once.

  • @tech5298
    @tech5298 Місяць тому

    When you said Boeing, I couldn’t help but laugh

  • @tuono2914
    @tuono2914 3 місяці тому +1

    The Bell also looks much cooler

  • @garygray2528
    @garygray2528 3 місяці тому +3

    I’m just wondering after years of being an Apache crewchief if the bubble style main rotor heads protect the strap packs for each blade more then the open style main rotor heads of the Apache. And except in theory lowering the sound of the aircraft if they actually serve another purpose then rotor noise and maybe arrow dynamics of the aircraft?

    • @voidalcreations3291
      @voidalcreations3291 3 місяці тому +1

      Could it add to stability of the blades? (Sorry if it’s a dumb question)

    • @happyjohn1656
      @happyjohn1656 3 місяці тому

      ​@@voidalcreations3291sounds about right

    • @garygray2528
      @garygray2528 3 місяці тому

      @@voidalcreations3291 it could thats why I raised the comment about the strap packs? Considering the full housing of the main rotor heads does it relieve stress from them.

  • @javiergonzalez12138
    @javiergonzalez12138 3 місяці тому +4

    Reminds me of "SOME" ka heli 😂

    • @triplazma32
      @triplazma32 3 місяці тому

      Something something 52
      Cant put my finger on it tho

  • @Adrenaline_chaser
    @Adrenaline_chaser 3 місяці тому +1

    So the Defiant X is basically like an Airbus RACER helicopter, but a lot more complex for no reason. It is, essentially, a classic helicopter but with a problematic single central rotor in the back for propulsion: this inevitably causes stability issues that will then have to be continously corrected with complex avionics that will have to be digitally controlled through complex softwares. The price, therfore, will have to be RELATIVELY higher while still being lower than the v-280 Valor. But the latter appears to be much more put-togather, developed from the ground-up. So yeah, I'm guessing that Boeing had asked a relatively high price for them.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      The GAO basically accused sikorsky of low balling the bid trying to secure it as they were unable to back up their data on the costs, and with multiple technical issues, they were bound to have cost overruns.

  • @nashhenry9314
    @nashhenry9314 3 місяці тому

    Anti Aircraft Missiles
    All Helicopters: Kaboommmmmmm.
    Jets: swooosshhhh I'm out of there hell no.

  • @dansweda712
    @dansweda712 3 місяці тому +13

    You won't fly a smoother flying heli

  • @handsovereyes5631
    @handsovereyes5631 3 місяці тому +4

    How them osprey’s working out?
    😂😂

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +3

      You need to look up the facts and not blindly follow people on social media.

    • @anthonyburnam3415
      @anthonyburnam3415 3 місяці тому +2

      Better every year though. It was kinda rough on me the way it killed operators for way too long. I just don't know if it's still very dangerous. Training accidents really suck. It just breaks my heart to hear we lost men in an accident.

    • @nercksrule
      @nercksrule 3 місяці тому

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9 The Naval Air Command just declared that Ospreys are only allowed to operate within 30 minutes of a divertable airfield.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      @nercksrule I'm not finding that anywhere I am only seeing that they cleared them after the recent investigation was finished.

  • @detroitmidunkin2138
    @detroitmidunkin2138 3 місяці тому +1

    2024: Defiant X
    Also 2024: Xdefiant

  • @rowanyuh6326
    @rowanyuh6326 3 місяці тому +6

    Safer and lower price I woulda got the sikorsky

  • @robert-trading-as-Bob69
    @robert-trading-as-Bob69 3 місяці тому +13

    Can this dual rotor-wing helicopter be classed as a biplane with a pusher?

  • @crlourenco88
    @crlourenco88 3 місяці тому +1

    Looks like a flying submarine

  • @silverfox97480
    @silverfox97480 3 місяці тому +2

    Lol as if they actually “need” those 😂😂 they want them but they don’t need them 😅

  • @TysoniusRex
    @TysoniusRex 3 місяці тому +5

    It’s Congress that ultimately decides what programs go forward (and are funded). If Sikorsky was the better choice, well, follow the money…

  • @Support_people
    @Support_people 3 місяці тому +12

    This helicopter is still in developed and cancelled the program while in Russian like the alligator are already in service

  • @echoromeo384
    @echoromeo384 3 місяці тому +4

    I remember seeing this outside pratt and whitney in palm beach. Shit looked cool as fuck.

  • @Dr_Larken
    @Dr_Larken 3 місяці тому +1

    I can’t believe they decided to go with Bell, keep in mind. The same design was recently grounded not too long ago. I think for the clutch on the Osprey. Because it was too complex, and it killed people!

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      Still safer than many other helicopters...

  • @Stickleback
    @Stickleback 3 місяці тому

    The only Helicopter video stating None flying Helicopters featuring, flying helicopters. Well done!

  • @shadowsrwolf
    @shadowsrwolf 3 місяці тому +6

    love the stealth shape on something with giant spinning blades...

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +2

      It is not a shape meant for stealth...

    • @vitopannucci2001
      @vitopannucci2001 3 місяці тому

      ​@@n3v3rforgott3n9 But... it's got stealth shapes

    • @hahahano2796
      @hahahano2796 3 місяці тому +3

      @@vitopannucci2001 Not really. Aerodynamic shapes, yes.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      @vitopannucci2001 aerodynamic shape you mean...

    • @michaelwhite7378
      @michaelwhite7378 3 місяці тому

      @@vitopannucci2001 the hell does a “stealth shape” mean?
      It looks sleek maybe? Yeah that’s aerodynamics, efficiency & also a tad of cool factor (officers honestly like cool factors, no joke)

  • @ParejaRaNa
    @ParejaRaNa 3 місяці тому +7

    Keep on bragging about it and then later tell us that China stole the tech 🙄

  • @onedayiwillmakesomecontent
    @onedayiwillmakesomecontent 2 місяці тому

    "Just aim between the two rotors, in that huge X like spot"...

  • @johniephillips9267
    @johniephillips9267 3 місяці тому +1

    Boeing is now proposing to convert the Defiant into an attack platform to compete as a replacement for the Apache. The Apache will always be the best in my eyes, but I think an upgrade might be cooler.

  • @vc7393
    @vc7393 3 місяці тому +3

    They did choose Bell. The Sykorsky couldn't go fast enough and lift enough.

  • @reallue
    @reallue 3 місяці тому +4

    If it's a boeing, I ain't going

  • @jehoiakimelidoronila5450
    @jehoiakimelidoronila5450 3 місяці тому +1

    *"technically unacceptable"* is another way of saying they deliberately changed the requirements to render any system useless, therefore giving the powers that be to cancel it. Imagine being a basketball player but the rules are changed just to make you lose the game
    That's what I was thinking when the army canceled the defiant x. Not to mention Bell's notorious lobbying to the government against competitors to get the lucrative government contracts

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +3

      Wow said as someone who didn't follow the program at all... They even lowered the range requirements for the Defiant so it didn't get disqualified right away, as it couldn't reach those requirements without the newer engine they had planned in the far long future.
      The commission basically accused Sikorsky of low balling the bid trying to secure it. They could not prove the reasonings for the costs they proposed and failed to meet other requirements of the program due to multiple delays due to technical issues.

    • @nuevision8
      @nuevision8 3 місяці тому

      That's why the Vietnam War was dragged out.
      Johnson was from Texas.
      Bell Helicopter Texas.
      Kennedy killed in Texas.
      Bell sold a LOT of helicopters during Vietnam.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      @@nuevision8 what a reach...

  • @benjaminrogers9848
    @benjaminrogers9848 3 місяці тому

    Honestly, flyout is just a background to your amazing commentary and story telling at this point

  • @crazyndn49
    @crazyndn49 3 місяці тому +19

    So instead of a super Blackhawk that performs better than both that and a Chinook, they went with a weaker mini-osprey? Fucking figures.

    • @Jamie-ig9vo
      @Jamie-ig9vo 3 місяці тому +8

      Defiant was a monstrosity that never reached its claimed capabilities. Bell's aircraft did everything they said it could.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +4

      You didn't do any research at all...

    • @bryansammis998
      @bryansammis998 3 місяці тому

      Sounds like the military is striving not to win a war again🤔👎

    • @jambiarbi4073
      @jambiarbi4073 3 місяці тому

      Design was copy cat from Russian , propulsion 😅😅

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +5

      @@jambiarbi4073 shows how little you know...

  • @jarrettsmith1787
    @jarrettsmith1787 3 місяці тому +5

    What is crazy is that little project that prolly failed in mock or model testing still was built an cost us taxpayers couple hundred billion

  • @GeoDelGonzo
    @GeoDelGonzo 3 місяці тому +1

    I would like to see them cook with the Defiant X design strengths and push it even further. There's a lot of promise in the platform. Imagine a multi purpose platform that can reposition bases, equipment and personnel on short notice.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      The Defiant was just worse than the Valor in nearly every metric...

    • @GeoDelGonzo
      @GeoDelGonzo 3 місяці тому

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9 I don't know much about it, but the Valor looks like it's got almost twice the speed of Blackhawk helicopter, but it's only an effective troop personnel carrier. Can it carry equipment too?

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      @@GeoDelGonzo YT keeps not showing my comments... The Valor sling loaded 10k lbs in testing which is enough to sling load an M777A2.

  • @georgesheffield1580
    @georgesheffield1580 2 місяці тому

    Maintaining it should be an expensive nightmare.

  • @scottwatson5767
    @scottwatson5767 3 місяці тому +6

    And the Valor tiltrotor is an absolute piece of crap. And we all wonder where our tax dollars go!!!

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      You are basing this one what? Some fool from Tiktok claiming the president can't fly on an Osprey?

  • @spinojacka50
    @spinojacka50 3 місяці тому +4

    Best ever

  • @jl4093
    @jl4093 3 місяці тому +1

    Sound's like sikorsky missed out on a contract because they lacked attention to the details of the parameters of the contract... Now they're here crying. Attention to detail is kind of important when you're building a helicopter.

  • @luakabsalam1816
    @luakabsalam1816 3 місяці тому +1

    Definitely much safer than the V-22 Osprey.

  • @americanspartan2420
    @americanspartan2420 3 місяці тому +4

    In my opinion the defiant x looks much beater than the valor but I guess the army wants a larger aircraft to replace the black hawk

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      The defiant was just worse... also the Valor only has a 19% larger footprint.

    • @americanspartan2420
      @americanspartan2420 3 місяці тому

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9 that’s still significantly larger than the Blackhawk witch would now limit the aircraft to fewer landing zones than the black hawk

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      ​@@americanspartan2420 It would be able to carry more troops per football field of space. It can land in any LZ that a Black Hawk would use that isn't up to the blades on all 4 sides of the Black Hawk, which is already a shit LZ. Not to mention it does not have a low tail rotor to worry about hitting low level obstacles with like cars or people... Finally, it opens up many more possible LZs with its range.

    • @americanspartan2420
      @americanspartan2420 3 місяці тому

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9 so let’s gist say this valor is as god tier as you say and not based off the currently grounded fleet of osprey, then why the fuck is it replacing a large chunk of the army’s attack helicopters?

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      @@americanspartan2420 It isn't though... currently it is only slated to replace the Black Hawks. Also, why could the Valor not perform an attack role? The Ospreys are also not grounded anymore, and it is common procedure in the aerospace industry to ground similar airframes if a mechanical issue is suspected. These policies were created by blood... like the Black Hawk crashing 20+ times in the first 6 years of its service...
      Side note, imagine if someone looked at the very first helicopter and said "nope we can't advance this technology because it is too dangerous"...

  • @GCulli
    @GCulli 3 місяці тому +5

    Bwahahaha, everyone getting their hopes up for a successful innovation to this technology! Later remembering they would never allow that!

  • @AlmightyRager95
    @AlmightyRager95 3 місяці тому

    The bosozoku cars are so dumb, but in a way that's just fun. I love it.

  • @Jarfiller
    @Jarfiller 3 місяці тому

    Those hub fairings look like donuts

  • @rogueldr642smiythe9
    @rogueldr642smiythe9 3 місяці тому +5

    Boeing???? Ummmm hard pass!

  • @thevulcan2011
    @thevulcan2011 3 місяці тому +4

    I've heard about this future 10 years ago. Wonder why the US still not buy this helicopter?

    • @kallah4999
      @kallah4999 3 місяці тому +4

      They chose the crappy more expensive one instead.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      @@kallah4999 The Valor outclassed the Defiant HAHA.

  • @bobbiejothomas681
    @bobbiejothomas681 3 місяці тому

    Wow, thanks for sharing this video. One of my sons is in the army, he works on helicopters for the army. This is a little insight on what he might be working on in the future, very interesting to me 😁. Stay safe and blessed 🙏

  • @Larsbor
    @Larsbor 3 місяці тому +1

    I didnt understand anything of the reason why, while I see the Osprey can fly longer with less fuel and higher load and do the same helicopter manouvers..

  • @ThomasCranmer1959
    @ThomasCranmer1959 3 місяці тому +11

    Sikorsky? Is that a Russian company?

    • @OptimusOne
      @OptimusOne 3 місяці тому +17

      Sikorsky is an American company started by Igor Sikorsky who was a Russian-American.

    • @redstonemaster6264
      @redstonemaster6264 3 місяці тому

      ​@@OptimusOne which mean whoever cancel it were racist

    • @9tiesNostalgia
      @9tiesNostalgia 3 місяці тому +3

      It was acquired by Lockheed Martin

    • @ryannarain3539
      @ryannarain3539 3 місяці тому +1

      In the beginning it says, "The Sikorsky Boeing DefiantX."

    • @Outlaw_270
      @Outlaw_270 3 місяці тому

      No

  • @chrisleach4245
    @chrisleach4245 3 місяці тому +5

    They chose wrong but that’s what happens when politicians are involved.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +3

      So they should have chosen the worse aircraft?

    • @Sauce_Sensei
      @Sauce_Sensei 3 місяці тому

      @@n3v3rforgott3n9i wouldn’t trust a tilt rotor craft with my life, would you? If you lose one engine it’s over for everyone one board… no possible autorotation. You’re falling out to the sky for sure

    • @GoBO207
      @GoBO207 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Sauce_Sensei What will happen if you lose and engine that will end everyone life? The driveshaft between them will just transfer power from the operating engine.

    • @Predator42ID
      @Predator42ID 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Sauce_Sensei Auto rotation has never been used in combat in the US military so your point is moot.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      @Sauce_Sensei no... you don't even understand the basics of the platform. Tilt rotors can fly on a single engine. The rotors are mechanically connected and can't turn without the other one turning, this is the same setup the Chinook has. Also, early tilt rotor prototypes proved they can autorotate and glide. Besides, that is a dumb thing to focus on as autorotation has not saved a large multiengine military helicopter in decades. Finally, if you look at the Air Force stats, you will see their ospreys have a better crash rate than their h60s even.

  • @cbjork29
    @cbjork29 3 місяці тому

    So its basically its the new Airwolf in todays terms lol

  • @AntonyKarolis
    @AntonyKarolis 3 місяці тому +1

    I love this helicopter. So cool. And you can fit them on smaller ships. Maybe the navy should buy them?

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому

      It's likely too tall, but sikorsky hasn't released detailed info on its size.

  • @contorta960
    @contorta960 3 місяці тому +2

    They is some fugly aircrafts!

  • @anonanon7235
    @anonanon7235 3 місяці тому +5

    Copies the Russian heavy lift copter.

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +1

      So you are saying the Russians copied the France first?

  • @bizzyizzy9526
    @bizzyizzy9526 3 місяці тому +1

    I still say that the rah 66 comanche helicopter should have been given a chance 🤔

  • @alanwhiteside410
    @alanwhiteside410 3 місяці тому

    Very nice chopper very steady and very impressive.

  • @scummymummy2548
    @scummymummy2548 3 місяці тому +4

    And the helicopter the US picked failed and they are all parked and not able to fly because of malfunctioning. They didn't pick defiant X because the US companies always rather pay ridiculous amounts even tho the bid is nowhere near it

    • @n3v3rforgott3n9
      @n3v3rforgott3n9 3 місяці тому +5

      You don't have a clue what you are talking about...