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It’s a big loss for team black. They lost one of their best dragon riders and the second biggest dragon rider. However. However team green only had 4 dragons and only 3 at Kings Landing. Vhagar, DreamFyre and Sunfyre ( now gravely injured). Tessarion is in Old Town with Daeron. Team black had more dragons yes smaller than Vhagar but only Vhagar. They also have some unclaimed dragon
During the meeting while Alicent was silently seething, they were discussing the fact that the small folk were leaving the city and spreading discontent and fear to other parts of the realm...THAT'S why Aemond ordered the gates closed and no one enters or exits without their leave.
When Helena asks Aemond if it was worth the price…… she’s referring to it all- killing Lucerys, the son for a son, and maiming Aegon II. She is also letting us know that the violence will escalate and both houses will continue to pay high prices.
One thing that I'm loving in the DragonStone scenes it's the fact that you can hear the dragons murmuring in the background!!!! It's a wonderful detail!!!! in the final scene with Rhaenyra talking to Jace, when he mentions Vermithor and Silverwing it's as if the dragons feel something and you can hear their murmurs in the background even more clearly, I get goosebumps because it's so incredible ❤️🔥
Daemon was singing to Vermithor at the end of season 1. Balerion at this point, is long dead. He died before the Great Council where Viserys was chosen as King. He's been dead for over 30 years now, his skull is a shrine in the Red Keep
@@Sircoochie Arya runs into Balerion's skull in S1 in the basement of the Red Keep so that's where he is. As for Balerion, he died of old age, but some suspect his death was premature because he suffered grievous injuries when his last rider before Viserys lost control of him and Balerion took them both to Valyria, where they were attacked by something unknown which caused Balerion to come back to King's Landing heavily injured. He was never the same after, and died shortly after choosing Viserys as his rider.
Daemon told Davos Blackwood to "show them your worst" and ravage the Bracken smallfolk, but they weren't meant to do it while waving the Targaryen banner as "there are things The Crown must not be seen to do." He wanted the Blackwood's to force the Brackens to submit while maintaining plausible deniability about any Blackwood atrocities, but now the Riverlords see him as a tyrant.
Oh no, I kinda agree. His plan was less than ideal but it was made worse by the guys wearing banners. It's 2/2 this season someone has gone rogue on Daemon's plan and made it worse for him; which is fitting since he has gone rogue himself for them.
Aegon saying "mommy" Broke my heart, he always seek her approval and attention and love from the moment she stood between him and a dragon in Season 1 which more than his father ever did, Aegon is so tragic character.
Why would his father do anything for him? He didn't even visit his father once when he was on his deathbed. 😂😂😂 Alicent disregards her son so much, but on the other hand, Rhaenyra raised her sons so well, they are sweethearts. Goes on to show, what a b*tch Alicent is.😂😂😂
@@RhaenyraT2001 lol it goes back befor his father was in his death bed. why would he visit a man called "his father" who neglected him his whole life? it was his mother who stood between him and a dragon NOT HIS FATHER, and you wonder why he wears green? maybe you need to pay attention to the greens characters more before discussing them with anyone.
@@jamien368 bcoz his father was DEAD when his "mother" stood between him and the dragon. Her whole life, she neglected him, put hate in his heart against Rhaenyra, built the idea of usurping and challenging her succession, and then finally conveniently thought Viserys was talking about her grapist son and put him on that throne. And now, even in the very last episode, told him he was useless and that he is good for nothing and just sit there and be a puppet for her to rule. Did not even console him when his child was dead and then instead ran and f*cked Cole that same night. Bro, f*ck off and find someone else. I have many more things to say.
@@RhaenyraT2001not really. Most characters on the Greens are more on the complex side. If Alicent was a bitch she’d be a lot like Shirene’s mother, or even Katelyn towards Jon Snow. Alicent cares, but doesn’t know how to show it because of how she was raised by Otto. They had that scene a few episodes ago when Aegon was crying about his dead baby. And remember the scene when Viserys got rid of Otto after realizing he was being used to marry Alicent and father her sons? That’s probably why he paid little mind to her children. That’s why Aegon turned out this way. He just wants to be useful, and Alicent telling him to do nothing as king last episode is what hurt him the most.
Just a clarification, the dragon Daemon was singing to in S1, was Vermithor, as a process of "planting a seed" to get Vermithor to potentially open up to the idea of having a rider. Nothing tangible came of it yet, but that was his intention.
Jace is making wayy more moves and running Diplomatic circles around dumbfounded Daemon. Jace got the Starks, the Vale/Arryns and the Frey's on their side and returned to Dragonstone with good news while Daemon is still wasting time at Harrenhal and the quarrels between the Blackwoods and Brackens.
The choice of actors is basically flawless. "Shall I fight for my birthright, or shall I wait here until we are all destroyed?" The cadence in her voice, the way she said that. For a moment I saw the shadow of Viserys in Rhaenyra. Impressive.
Honestly, he reminded me more of Viserys I on that bed, with Alicent by his side. Half of his face decayed, the white cloth wrapped around his head, his troubled breathing... it was very much like Viserys' last days.
I love how Cole is too stupid to understand that parading a dead dragon on the streets shows their own weakness too, not just their enemies. If one sides’ dragons are not invincible, it obviously goes for the other side as well. Which is what the common people figured out almost immediately, because unlike Cole, they have common sense.
@@Durran196 I’m sorry if you need everything spelled out for you to figure it out. His men are ordered by “someone” to cut off the dragon’s head and parade it through the streets. Aemond is not in the position to give orders to those men, or pretty much anyone, he’s just their nuke with his dragon.
@@NikkiStevenReact Yes, it was him. He seemed uncomfortable because even he managed to understand that people are not very happy about the news that dragons, the beasts that are supposed to win them any war, are not unkillable.
I would have thought some small folk would be happy with meleys' death since she killed so many people at the pit. Otto was so outraged with Aegon losing the support of smallfolk with killing a dozen ratcatchers but the blacks don't really have that
@@sarwatarannya8786 My guess is that there are mixed feelings about it. Some people are probably happy that the other team lost a dragon and especially the one who did that, but its most likely overshadowed by the fact that they realize that their ultimate weapons can end up like this anytime as well.
You can see that Cole expected ppl to cheer when he paraded Meleys' head but instead there were murmurs of displeasure. No Targaryen can disrespect a dragon like that. It's obviously Cole's stupid plan to show strength but instead he has mortolized the dragons in the eyes of the small folk. Now the fear aspect they had of dragons is slowly deteriorating. "I thought the dragons were gods" "It's just meat" Those two statements show the shift in mindset
@@khotunkhan3950 How are they reaching when it's literally the angle the show is going lmao? The Dragons were revered as gods so parading a dead one around the streets is going to shift how the common people view them, likely it will be one the things that leads to the storming of the dragonpit, the common people do not fear them as they did before
@@simplyawful543 him saying Cole wanted people to cheer is absolute bollocks and is coming from that stupid hate train for him because no where was it shown he wanted people to cheer , the whole parade through Kings landing with him , you could see he was still thinking about Rooks rest , the guy looked traumatized and was literally sullen the whole episode And it was probably Aemonds idea to do that and he relayed it to Cole who then gave the command. Cole wouldn't even know where Meleys fell The hate train for Cole is becoming annoying when people pull imaginative bad concepts on him just because they want to still be on the hate train I will never look at this show with bias lenses because the show was meant for people to understand both sides are both right and wrong but these directors have pitted a majority of the fandom against the Greens because they can't direct a neutral perspective for this show and have being biased towards the blacks
While it hasn’t been confirmed, most people think the large dragon scull at Dragonstone is Meraxas. Meraxas was one of the original three Targaryen dragons, along with Balerion and Vhagar. Meraxas was felled in Dorne by a scorpion bolt during the time of Aegon the Conqueror. And the scull of Balerion is the one in the Red Keep in King’s Landing.
I'm beginning to really love Jace and Baela. This was a slower episode but it certainly moved several stories forward. I'm loving the team up of Rhaenya and Mysaria. She's extremely clever and she recognizes loyalty in Rhaenyra. I'm so excited for next week!
What Rhaenyra and Jacaerys talked about in the last scene are called dragon seeds (Targaryen bastards live among the commoners), it's dangerous idea, They don't know them and they're about to hand one of them the second largest dragon alive.
at 35:50 The end of this Episode where they talk of others with the called "Dragon Seed"... may I point at 10:22 and 26:20 who is this low-born with a big strong look, with long white hair, and way is he getting screen time?
While daemon with his mom is weird you should know that she died when he was like 3 so he wouldnt recognize her. Even for targaryens a mother and son or father daughter has never happened. So he definitely didnt know it was his mom until she called him son.
Aegon IV possibly fucked his bastard daughter and her mother in a threesome 😭 possibly didn't know she was his daughter but if we're being real he definitely knew
This was the second time we heard a Targaryen Prince whisper longingly for the comfort of his “mummy”. While Rhaenyra answered her child’s plea for maternal reassurance, once again, Aegon was denied. I know that Aegon and his brother are lousy pricks but they got royally shafted in the parental department.
They really did. This is why I find the differences between the "Targtowers" and the Strong boys so interesting. It's like opposite sides of the coin, Aegon and Jace specifically. Both are the firstborn son and are expected by their family to rule at some point. Aegon is a trueborn prince and Jace is a bastard, and yet the former has a shitty life and Jace has everything he could want. Aegon has Alicent and Viserys, Jace has Rhaenyra and Laenor and Harwin (and maybe even a bit of Daemon). Whose life would you rather have? Would you rather know that you are a trueborn prince who "deserves the throne", but have felt no love or acceptance in your life? Or would you rather carry the burden of being a bastard but be supported and loved by your family?
@@korki3581 me too.. aegon seems to want his mothers assurance on the last episode before he flew to rooks rest too. I wonder what rhaenyra would have said to him if she was his mother.
Only three dragons have died since the time of Aegons conquest and the start of this show: Balerion - died of old age Meraxes - killed in Dorne during conquest Quicksilver - Killed by Balerion and his rider Maegor the Cruel The skull is most likely Meraxes
Well, there was that fella in Kings Landing telling people he was a descendant of the Targaryans, and I dont think they would have had the scene if it wasnt intended to be an easter egg for this whole Seed situation.
From a book readers perspective it's a slow episode. They stretched about one or two pages into 60 minutes. But the acting is so damn good and production is amazing. So I'm not complainin because sometimes the book actually moves too fast.
I’m more surprised people didn’t expect it I knew it was going to be a slow episode and I knew it wasn’t going to be as good as episode 2 to me it was a filler feeling like episode lol
I really like that you guys understood the alicent-cole scene. Alicent somehow expects to be named regent when she's done pretty much nothing for the council in terms of action. Her power always came from the men around her, her husband, her father and now her sons. And now, even the dude that was basically her lapdog has become way more powerful than her, thats why she's so surprised by how Cole called her by her name. Everyone thinks thats supposed to be an epic own on Cole. But thats just alicent trying to feel in control.
I don’t know why people don’t realize that Alicent fears Aemond. And I think she expected that Cole would tell her what really happend. But now she realizes that people are really on her side when it’s convenient for them.
Sounds like you didn't understand the scene. It was to show the hypocrisy of Alicent and the sexism of the Greens. Its also to show that Alicent fears Aemond because she knows better than anyone how much of a loose cannon he is and that he will be even worse in power
@@queenxx1690 go back to your romcoms and teen dramas, we want more politics and build up that actually hype the battles and deaths , action every episode is for children
@@queenxx1690 Why are you still watching? Literally almost every episode it's like this and there's only a little bit of action sprinkled in throughout both seasons.
the price Aemon paid for the throne, killing luke accidently plus his dragon, unleashing the targaryen civil war, the death of nephewJaehaerys , burning aegon (kinslaying) and killing Meleys + Rhaenys. Chaos is a ladder. He creates chaos to turn people against people and takes advantage of their differences to reach his desired destination
I'm sure other people have done this already, but here goes. - Dragon riders can only bond with one dragon at a time, and dragons can only bond with one rider at time. (Based on the information we have at the moment at least.) - Balerion (the Black Dread) was the largest dragon ever known in Westeros, larger than Vhagar currently is. He was Aegon the Conqueror's dragon. At the time of the show, he has been dead for 30-40 years. Viserys was Balerion's final rider, but he died when Viserys was a young man. Balerion's skull is currently in the Red Keep, it is the one seen surround by candles in the first episode of the first season, when Viserys is telling Rhaenyra about the Song of Ice & Fire. - The skull seen behind Rhaenyra in this episode, & a couple of other this season, is of Meraxes. She was the dragon of Queen Rheanys, Aegon the Conqueror's wife and younger sister. Both Meraxes and Rheanys were killed in Dorn during Aegon's conquest. - There are currently 5 wild &/or riderless dragons living on Dragonstone. Vermithor and Silverwing used to have riders, while Grey Ghost, The Cannibal, and Sheepstealer have never been ridden. - Vermithor (the Bronze Fury) was the dragon of King Jaehaerys I, the old king who is seen right at the start of the first episode of season one, and the grandfather of Viserys, Daemon, & Rheanys. Vermithor has been riderless since King Jaehaerys died, which is around 20 years at this point. He is the dragon that Daemon sings to at the end of season one. He should be very large, bigger than Ceraxes and Meleys, not as big as Vhagar but more than big enough to pose a real threat. - Silverwing was the dragon of Good Queen Alysanne, the wife and younger sister of King Jaehaerys. She has also been riderless for approximately 20 years at this point in the show. She should also be bigger than Ceraxes and Meleys, though smaller than Vermithor. - Grey Ghost, The Cannibal, and Sheepstealer all live wild out on the island of Dragonstone rather than under the castle like the previous two. They are rarely seen as they avoid human contact as much a possible. It is unknown how old Grey Ghost and Sheepstealer are, so it's difficult to say how large they should be, but they will be no smaller than Syrax. - The Cannibal is the one dragon alive one could possibly rival Vhagar in size. He is rumoured to have lived on Dragonstone since before the Targaryens arrived, making him possibly over 200 years old at this point. As a result he could well be even bigger than Vhagar, as she was hatched on Dragonstone shortly after the Targaryens re-located. He is named the Cannibal as he is the one dragon that will hunt, kill, and eat other dragons. I know that's a lot of information. Hopefully I got it all right & that it helps clear some things up.
Why is Vhagar said to be the biggest if the Cannibal might be bigger? Or why haven’t we heard anything of him at all when talking about dragons that could rival Vhagar
@sirfrancisgaming9438 To my mind, there are a handful of possible reasons why the Cannibal hasn't been mentioned on the show so far. - There is no specific information on exactly how big the Cannibal is. The books only talk about rumours that he was on the isle of Dragonstone before the Targaryens arrived, meaning he would, if that is true, be older than Vhagar. As dragons continue to grow as they age, that would mean that he is bigger than Vhagar. However, if he is younger than her then he would easily be smaller than her, and, in my head-cannon at least, he is smaller than her as that just seems to fit better. - He, like the other wild dragons, is very reculsive and is rarely seen even by the people who live on Dragonstone. The books imply that, even before the war, the "green" side of House Targaryen spent most of their time in King's Landing, while the "black" side remained largely on Dragonstone. As a result, there's a possibility that Team Green don't know he exists. Team Black may just discount him as unlikely to accpet a rider as he's very old and has never had one before. - Jace didn't mention any wild dragons in this episode, and Daemon only briefly mentioned "three wild dragons" in the final episode of season one. It could be that the show writers are choosing not to include the wild dragons in the show, possibly to streamline the number of dragons involved. If they just go with Seasmoke, Vermithor & Silverwing getting new riders then it won't really change much of what follows in the book. **Very minor spoiler alert** In the book, the Cannibal doesn't get a rider, as he kills everyone who tries to bond with/claim him, and plays no part in the war. Any of those could be reasons why we've not heard of the Cannibal as yet in the show, and there my be others. Ultimately, I can only speculate based on the information the books give and what the shows have chosen to do with it so far.
@@GentleBen_86 I really hope The cannibal gets involved in the show somehow, even if he doesn't get a rider i would love to see him, i bet he looks amazing
During the small council after aemond took over they reported that people was fleeing the city because they feared what rhynera would do after killing rheanys also the people seen parading the dragon head around was a bad omen. So aemond told them to lock the gates and no one is allowed to come or go
@@caibra88 Wow. I just realized Rhaena and Baela are half sisters to Rhaenyra's 2 youngest sons through Daemon. Smh. I need to pay more attention. I guess that's why Rhaenyra sent Rhaena off with her little brothers to the Vale.
I don't think Cole is all messed up by what he saw on the ground, but by what he saw in the air and what he saw Aemond do to Aegon. He is also holding that info back. That is why he's acking the way that he is, and he knows that is what Alicent is trying to get him to say. Just what I think.
Daemon is basically getting years worth of intensive therapy courtesy of The Old Gods. Imagine a therapist that has unfiltered access to your conscious and unconscious mind!!
Daemon was singing to vermithor in season 1. Vermithor belonged to jaherys and silverwing belonged to his wife. Silverwing is probably either a little bigger than meley if not the same size. There is 6 riderless dragons at dragonstone. Vermithor silverwing and seasmoke amd then the 3 wild dragons sheepstealer grey ghost and the cannibal.
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Daemon was actually singing to Vermithor whose the second largest dragon currently. Balerion the Black Dread is the legendary mount of Aegon the Conqueror who was the biggest dragon ever recorded. He's been dead for decades and his skull is the one we see in the Red Keep
the moment where Aegon said Mommy was really heartbreaking, you can say what you want about Cersei but she loved her children to death her look when Myrcella arrived dead in King's Landing at the harbor (where she said to Jamie she was so good, so innocent, she wasn't like me, she was pure love) or to Tommen when he was being manipulated by the High Sparrow she said, I always will Stand by you no matter what, I will burn down cities for you if someone does something to you, and even Joffry loved her, even if he was what he was, she still loved him She wore his ring on her index finger until the end, Alicent really screwed up with hers and she is becoming more and more aware of that.
That doesn't matter, but when he cried for his son, she looked at him and simply walked out instead of comforting him, that's not how a loving mother behaves .
I mean in fairness, Alicent became a mother as a teenager who was the child of Otto, I wouldn't expect her to be that emotionally prepared to raise 4 kids well
I agree but I believe Alicent didn’t even want kids and really doesn’t have any emotional bond to any of the 4, Rhanerya wanted kids and loves her kids more than anything.. I believe Alicent loves her kids but she doesn’t have the emotional capabilities cause she was young teen when she was forced to marry and produce children
One king wanted to help the people, one was too focused on winning the war, and a queen was focused on the future of a dream. The Targaryen siblings United as one would have prevailed and raised the Targaryen house to its greatest
You guys are getting a few dragon names mixed up. Balerion was aegon the conquerors dragon and is dead. Vhagar is the largest alive right now. The skull was meraxes, one of aegons sisters dragons. Vermithor is the one daemon was singing to, and is currently the second largest dragon (i believe, as the wild dragons sizes are a little shaky in my memory)
It was Vermithor that Daemon was singing to, and Vermithor is the second biggest dragon. Dragons born in the dragon pit at kings landing tend to be more docile and smaller compared to others. They are still very, very dangerous, but Vermithor is a dragon who is huge and vicious. He is a monster. Great reaction you two! Glad to be coming along for the ride
They seem to be showing that guy who had the sick child alot and daemons other child who was sent off... just a wild guess.. I don't even kno them two names
“I am blood & fire, Driftmark must pass through salt and sea” this is a great line, the authors subtle way of showing us why he wrote (killed off) Rhaenyra’s bastard sons out of the line of succession for Driftmark.. It must pass to true Velaryons (Alyn, Addam).
…who will only be Velaryons if Corlys officially recognizes them as his sons. Rhaenys essentially gave him permission (almost commanded him) to do so at least for Alyn. And what do you mean about Rhaenyra’s sons? Corlys insisted that Luke would inherit Driftmark because he bore the Velaryon name regardless of his parentage. Baela, on the other hand, is Daemon’s daughter, and thereby a Targaryen, not a Velaryon. She is preserving Corlys’ family name as the rulers of Driftmark in this instance.
@@markhamstra1083 the author is using destiny or fate to essentially make sure Driftmark is inherited by true Velaryons, not just by boys who simply bare the name.
@@cereal_killer8773 Whatever. Regardless of any confusion over which “author” or “he” you were talking about, it’s not even necessary to engage in any spoilery “writing out” of anyone via authorial teleology. Baela can simply be reminding her grandfather that he previously rejected her because she didn’t have the right name, so she’s not now inclined to forget that hurt to make his naming of a successor easier now.
@37:07: a dragon rider cannot ride another dragon. It is one bond at a time, usually until either the rider or his/her dragon dies. Daemon was just singing a lullaby to Vermithor, who was old king Jahaerys’ dragon and who was seemingly familiar with said lullaby (you can find the lyrics online). Daemon was seeking to reacquaint him with humans, I guess. Or maybe trying an old Valyrian spell he found in Pentos to enroll him for the Blacks (like Viserys, Daemon is obsessed with Targaryen history). Balerion died of old age when Viserys, his last rider, was young, about 10 years before his reign began.
@@BobbyFlay14 All three dragons consider her as a mother and have a connection with her, but she is only bonded to Drogon as a rider. I think she would not be interested in riding the other 2 as the bond works both ways and she feels uniquely attached to Drogon as a rider.
@@BobbyFlay14 probably not, she can only ride one, That's why Jon was able to claim Rhaegal. I don't think they would KILL her if she tried, since they know her and listen to her to an extent, but she can't ride them, she only had dragon rider bond with Drogon.
People have really got too used to the action packed final episodes of GoT and completely forgot some of the better episodes didnt have much action at all
That was maraxes skull in dragonstone. The dragon of aegons sister wife rhaenys shot down by the dornish. It was shot in the eye and you can see the broken section of the eye. Balerions skull is in kings landing.
The actor that plays the new charcater Hugh, the dude with the sick daughter is one of the BEST characters in another PHENOMENAL show called warrior. Which I HIGHLY recommend btw, 10/10 show and I don’t mean that lightly. But seeing him in this I KNOW not only is he going to be a BEAST in the fight scenes but he’s also a phenomenal actor so I know he’s gonna make us jsut fall completely in love with his character. Super stoked to see where the end up with him
The scene with Rhanerya breaking the 4th wall was so cool and chilling. When she looked straight at the camera and said, "It's a mad thought". I felt like she was talking straight to me❤
Aegon never wanted to be king. He said so his whole life. See, Otto and Allicent wanted him for a puppet. Allicent beat him and called him names. They never counted on Christon Cole and Aemond. They didn't think he would fire Otto, etc. Allicent's kids are her creations.
in regards to dragons currently alive, vhagar is the largest at 180 years at this point of the story, the second largest is a male being vermithor at 99 years old, his last rider was King Jaehaerys the 1st which ruled over 60 years of peace. He was the king at the intro season 1 episode 1. The dragon that Daemon was singing to last season was in deed Vermithor & not Balerion the black dread who is long dead at this point
In the books, Sunfyre didn’t die but was crippled like Aegon I don’t know if the episode is just letting us think he died or the characters are convinced he died at that point but it will be interesting to see how they will adapt that change
@@honoria2338 Yes but didn’t Rhaenyra said later that Maelys died at the claws of two dragons and she still managed to slay one ? It feel like she was convinced he died
Actually, Vhaegar might’ve been beat, if you notice, the fight between Meleyes and Vhaegar was fairly even. If Sunfyre hadn’t been there, they both would’ve probably died. The show didn’t do Meleyes justice. She was a famous and very well known war dragon.
It wasnt close, vhagar was at no point even close to losing, meleys coulnt do enough damage to beat vhagar. Her only offense was the scratch that barely broke vhagars skin/scales.
@@flohkru I don't think Meleys slung Vhagar to the ground. More like they'd grappled and right before they both hit the ground Meleys slunk out of Vhagars grasp
@@kailanerman5090 that is not what happened, that was the whole point of us seeing Rhaenys clip herself in and then going upside down beneath Vhagar and meleys grabbing onto Vhagars foot to get into her blind spot to ground her and destabilize her. if that were the case meleys wouldn’t have been able to fly away and she would have been grounded with her. meleys was in control of that spiral
@@flohkruthank you! Vhagar got sat down by Meleys who was flying as Vhagar was grounded. If Sunfyre and Aegon hadn’t shown up all unexpectedly, Meleys might’ve gone out but Vhagar would’ve been mortally wounded or worse. Aemond would’ve died or would’ve been in the same position Aegon is in instead. Meleys had experience and Rhaenys was an experienced dragon rider with more years put in than Aemond. She would’ve handled him!
"Was is worth the price?" has a double meaning indeed. It is a reference to Aemond loosing his eye for a dragon as a child. He said it himself, it was a fair deal. It was worth it. But to sit on the iron throne, was it worth to almost kill his brother ? Helaena Targaryen is special but she is no fool. She knows what Aemonf is capable of. She knows who he is, what he wants. It's even possible she actually knows more, I mean, the future, in a sens. Never forget. Aemond is already called "Kinslayer" ans not just "Aemond one eye" because he killed his half brother Luke. Now Aegon, his brother, the king ? As Rhaenys Targaryen put it two episodes ago : "there's no war so hateful to the gods than a war between kin and no war so bloody as a war between dragons".
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That whole episode was a kick to the guts of the small folk and shows us that there are three sides green, black and smallfolk... all throughout the episode we saw that, the small folk buying moldy oranges vs criston cleaning his sword with a perfect lemon.. people fighting over food vs Aegon being covered by good to eat lettuce
Alicent would be a terrible choice for regent right now, all she would do is write letters to Rhaenyra begging for peace and bringing up their friendship from 20 years ago
I saw that alicent wanted to be in charge so aemond didn't cause anymore damage. She was trying, she was trying to prevent even though it was too late :(
The reason the Brackens and other Riverland lords refused to follow Daemon is because he ordered the Blackwoods to basically do whatever they want (grape, pillage, murder) which they did, and yet again like in ep 1 Daemon doesn't think about the consequences.
He also told the Blackwoods "there are things The Crown can not be seen to do" and yet they carried the Targaryen banner while they slaughtered Bracken innocents.
Well, he first told Willem Blackwood to wage a covert war of terror against the Brackens, which Blackwood did by stealing women and children. But even after the Brackens submitted to these kidnapping and terror tactics, the Blackwoods committed further acts of vengeance and grievance against the Brackens. The Blackwoods did this while carrying the Targaryen banner, but it didn’t seem to me that Daemon had ordered or allowed these further acts after the Brackens had bent the knee. Regardless of how surprised Daemon was by the Blackwoods’ further actions, the Brackens have a legitimate grievance that their new liege lord is at least failing to protect them, and maybe he is acting as an overt tyrant against his new vassal.
Y’all are giving Criston and Aemond too much credit. Their dragon ambush plan was bold and aggressive. It was not particularly smart. They had no idea how many dragons would show up when they kicked the hornets’ nest by attacking Rooks’ Rest right next to Dragonstone. They could have seen between one and four dragons showing up from Dragonstone; and as far as they know, Dragonstone could also have coordinated with Daemon to have him show up on Caraxes from Harrenhal. They could have been facing an overwhelming number of dragons, but Criston and Aemond were just so overconfident because they have the biggest dragon that they were willing to attack whoever showed up. As it happened, it was only Rhaenys and Meleys who did show up, so their plan would have worked fairly well without Aegon and Sunfyre (although Vhagar winning a 1v1 with Meleys would not be the sure thing that many viewers seem to think it would always be), but that was more the result of luck than it was good planning.
It was a gamble, but I think they weren't just hot-headed idiots. They knew Caraxes and Daemon were very, very far away in the Riverlands. Meleys was the only threat at Dragonstone. Vermax is no threat, and neither is Moondancer. They're infant/teenage dragons. So, the only options were to send Meleys or the queens. And syrax is not a fighting dragon in any way. So it was a gamble (if Meleys had with one or two others) it could've made things more difficult, but the potential rewards were either 1) taking out the Black's best dragon/rider or 2) taking out Rhaenyra. However, I do wish the show had been more like the books where Sunfyre/Aeg were there for it intentionally. They could've even justified it with: "MY king, you can not go to battle! The risk is too great!" "And if my brother finds himself alone against 2 or 3? I can not let him risk his life or Vhagar's for this battle. I will go. I may not be The Conqueror, but I'm as fearsome as any of them. I will go to Rooks Rest!" There. Now, it's consistent with the book and makes the Greens seem more tactically minded.
@@kailanerman5090 Harrenhal is not very, very far away from Rooks’ Rest. It is at nearly an identical remove as is King’s Landing - i.e. a fairly short and easy dragon flight; not as close as Dragonstone, but not far for a dragon. Had Rhaenyra and Daemon been in regular communication and on good terms (which the greens do not know much if anything about, one way or the other), then it would not have been difficult to coordinate an attack on Rooks’ Rest using both Caraxes and Meleys. In the prior episode when Daemon tried to command Rhaenys to go with him to King’s Landing to kill Aemond and Vhagar, he seemed quite confident that the two of them together could deal with anything at King’s Landing. That confidence, based on the skills of two experienced dragon riders and the capabilities of their dragons, seems far better founded than Aemond and Criston’s plan based on little more than Vhagar’s size. Aemond and Criston were recklessly overconfident. But they got away with it. At least Criston is no longer so confident about winning battles that involve dragons.
@markhamstra1083 I think Daemons "plan" to attack Kingslanding was foolish and reckless. The entire city is on guard, with scorpions around every wall and tower, and on top of that, Vhagar is patrolling the skies as said during a Council meeting (I think) Meleys was also extremely exhausted and would have been even more so by the time they reached Kingslanding. Meleys only advantage over Vhagar is speed and agility, which would have been burnt out by the time they arrived. Considering how close the fight was when she was ready for a fight, I think an exhausted Meleys would've died quickly. The fact that Daemon himself says he can't face Vhagar alone implies that he's aware a head-on attack is suicide. So the idea that he's willing to go attack a well City Capital where they're waiting for them seems rash to me As far as how far Daemon is from Rooks Rest, Rooks rest is right near Drogonstone. Along the eastern coast. While I believed that Harrenhaul was closer to the center or western sea of the Riverlands. I might not remember the exact location on the map. It's fair to assume that even if Daemon made for Rooks Rest, it would've been too late. MELEYS had just arrived when the battle started, and she's super close by comparison and much faster than Caraxes. There's no way a raven could have gotten word to Daemon fast enough for him to make the travel in time for the battle. Absolutely no way. If he'd gotten the message and gotten to the battle, he'd be too late and too exhausted and vulnerable anyway... The Blacks should have sent back up. Hey, even if Vermax and Moondancer are teenagers, they're still better than no support. The truth is that even if the ambush was a gamble, it was a gamble that was more in the Greens favor.
In this world, most strategic war decisions need to be bold and aggressive. If Aegon didn’t show up, the plan would’ve been perfect cause they only sent one dragon.
@@kailanerman5090 What is this “make it in time for the battle” nonsense? It was a siege, for which the greens had no major siege engines and only a few small battering rams built. In the book the siege was days long, and Rooks’ Rest only called for aid when their supplies began to run out. Even by the show’s timeline there was plenty of time to coordinate by raven and/or dragon, or for Rhaenys simply to fly to Harrenhal first to collect Daemon before the two of them went to the relief of Rooks’ Rest. The distances involved are just not that great on dragon back.
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It’s a big loss for team black. They lost one of their best dragon riders and the second biggest dragon rider. However. However team green only had 4 dragons and only 3 at Kings Landing. Vhagar, DreamFyre and Sunfyre ( now gravely injured). Tessarion is in Old Town with Daeron. Team black had more dragons yes smaller than Vhagar but only Vhagar. They also have some unclaimed dragon
During the meeting while Alicent was silently seething, they were discussing the fact that the small folk were leaving the city and spreading discontent and fear to other parts of the realm...THAT'S why Aemond ordered the gates closed and no one enters or exits without their leave.
Dameon was actually singing to Vernitor
Exactly
Next trip out, Vaegar is going to burn the ships forming the blockade, allowing their allies to get resources back to the capital.
When Helena asks Aemond if it was worth the price…… she’s referring to it all- killing Lucerys, the son for a son, and maiming Aegon II. She is also letting us know that the violence will escalate and both houses will continue to pay high prices.
nah she mean Aegon because then it cut to him, she is his wife after all and out of all people she is the only one who confront Aemond about it.
She’s right Helena has the gift of foresight she can see the future.
One thing that I'm loving in the DragonStone scenes it's the fact that you can hear the dragons murmuring in the background!!!! It's a wonderful detail!!!! in the final scene with Rhaenyra talking to Jace, when he mentions Vermithor and Silverwing it's as if the dragons feel something and you can hear their murmurs in the background even more clearly, I get goosebumps because it's so incredible ❤️🔥
yes, the growling sounds were very cool. I noticed a lot more while editing.
Daemon was singing to Vermithor at the end of season 1. Balerion at this point, is long dead. He died before the Great Council where Viserys was chosen as King. He's been dead for over 30 years now, his skull is a shrine in the Red Keep
Just beat me to it… Balerion skull in the Red Keep, and Meraxes skull in Dragonstone… another skull added to the keep I guess after this episode 😢
@@ccronk I wouldn’t be surprised if Meleys’ skull is one of the ones in the throne room during the time of the Mad King
@@jackcrofts-mullin461it probably is which makes you think what happened to balerion
@@Sircoochie Balerion died of old age. Viserys was his its last rider (mentioned in Season 1)
@@Sircoochie Arya runs into Balerion's skull in S1 in the basement of the Red Keep so that's where he is. As for Balerion, he died of old age, but some suspect his death was premature because he suffered grievous injuries when his last rider before Viserys lost control of him and Balerion took them both to Valyria, where they were attacked by something unknown which caused Balerion to come back to King's Landing heavily injured. He was never the same after, and died shortly after choosing Viserys as his rider.
Daemon told Davos Blackwood to "show them your worst" and ravage the Bracken smallfolk, but they weren't meant to do it while waving the Targaryen banner as "there are things The Crown must not be seen to do." He wanted the Blackwood's to force the Brackens to submit while maintaining plausible deniability about any Blackwood atrocities, but now the Riverlords see him as a tyrant.
I doubt Daemon cared much about the outcome of the smallfolk.
He didn't care about the smallfolk, he cared about PR...
@@marcoslugo6132 Still not a smart move. But oh well, the writers love him. So, I guess he will get what he wants.
@@veraanastasiaramirezrozas1633 But this is him not getting what he wants...
Oh no, I kinda agree. His plan was less than ideal but it was made worse by the guys wearing banners. It's 2/2 this season someone has gone rogue on Daemon's plan and made it worse for him; which is fitting since he has gone rogue himself for them.
Aegon saying "mommy" Broke my heart, he always seek her approval and attention and love from the moment she stood between him and a dragon in Season 1 which more than his father ever did, Aegon is so tragic character.
Why would his father do anything for him? He didn't even visit his father once when he was on his deathbed. 😂😂😂 Alicent disregards her son so much, but on the other hand, Rhaenyra raised her sons so well, they are sweethearts. Goes on to show, what a b*tch Alicent is.😂😂😂
@@RhaenyraT2001 lol it goes back befor his father was in his death bed. why would he visit a man called "his father" who neglected him his whole life? it was his mother who stood between him and a dragon NOT HIS FATHER, and you wonder why he wears green? maybe you need to pay attention to the greens characters more before discussing them with anyone.
@@jamien368 bcoz his father was DEAD when his "mother" stood between him and the dragon. Her whole life, she neglected him, put hate in his heart against Rhaenyra, built the idea of usurping and challenging her succession, and then finally conveniently thought Viserys was talking about her grapist son and put him on that throne. And now, even in the very last episode, told him he was useless and that he is good for nothing and just sit there and be a puppet for her to rule. Did not even console him when his child was dead and then instead ran and f*cked Cole that same night. Bro, f*ck off and find someone else. I have many more things to say.
And a rapist.....
@@RhaenyraT2001not really. Most characters on the Greens are more on the complex side. If Alicent was a bitch she’d be a lot like Shirene’s mother, or even Katelyn towards Jon Snow.
Alicent cares, but doesn’t know how to show it because of how she was raised by Otto. They had that scene a few episodes ago when Aegon was crying about his dead baby. And remember the scene when Viserys got rid of Otto after realizing he was being used to marry Alicent and father her sons? That’s probably why he paid little mind to her children. That’s why Aegon turned out this way. He just wants to be useful, and Alicent telling him to do nothing as king last episode is what hurt him the most.
i love that cheese's puppers is a rescue dog in real life, seriously such a good boy he deserves all the treats
Just a clarification, the dragon Daemon was singing to in S1, was Vermithor, as a process of "planting a seed" to get Vermithor to potentially open up to the idea of having a rider. Nothing tangible came of it yet, but that was his intention.
He was also visiting him to get him used to human interaction again. As he’s been without a rider for a very long time.
It's funny that Matt Smith also played Prince Philip, who had issues with being "only" prince consort to QE2.
Phillip Targaryen 😅😂😂😂
@@Mike90317 🤣
We need Claire Foy to come and whip Daemon into submission 👑
Claire Foy would've made an amazing Targaeyen!
Lmao you’re right!!! He really did have an issue with that in The Crown as well lol. Nice catch.
Jace is making wayy more moves and running Diplomatic circles around dumbfounded Daemon. Jace got the Starks, the Vale/Arryns and the Frey's on their side and returned to Dragonstone with good news while Daemon is still wasting time at Harrenhal and the quarrels between the Blackwoods and Brackens.
yeah, Jace is kicking butt - he made a good call making those moves
The choice of actors is basically flawless.
"Shall I fight for my birthright, or shall I wait here until we are all destroyed?" The cadence in her voice, the way she said that.
For a moment I saw the shadow of Viserys in Rhaenyra. Impressive.
The castellan of Harenhall is becoming my favorite character. Not only does he look like an owl, but he’s honestly trying to help Daemon.
Played by renowned Shakespearean actor, Sir Simon Russell Beale.
Aegon saying 'mummy' once Alicent left was weirdly hesrt breaking
Oh shit I didn't have subtitles on and I thought he said "help me" lol.
He still respect her no matter how bad she treat him meanwhile Aemond her fav son calls her Alicent and she was in council thanks to Aegon only
That broke my heart too. I wished alicent heard that.. she should have stayed of a little while
Alicent is such a bad mom
Aegon reminds me of the severely burnt Anakin Skywalker being transported by Darth Sidious to get his iconic suit. 🥶
Anakin was way way worse he was burned all over his body and lost 3/4 limbs
Dude theres a meme on the HOTD subreddit with Vader going
"Where is Sunfyre? Is he safe? Is he alright?"
@@Anthonest1 Aemond: It seems...in your anger, you killed him.
Honestly, he reminded me more of Viserys I on that bed, with Alicent by his side. Half of his face decayed, the white cloth wrapped around his head, his troubled breathing... it was very much like Viserys' last days.
Except vader had star wars healing tech to fix him up.
Ewan Mitchell as Aemond is killing it. First Babymonk, now the Kinslayer. He is such a talented, humble actor
He would be a great casting choice for The Joker.
Cole has PTSD = Post Traumatic Seeing Dragons 😂😂😂
Baela and Jace were the MVP's of this episode.
Freys before Walder are pretty cool. They are hardworking cunning underdogs
I love how Cole is too stupid to understand that parading a dead dragon on the streets shows their own weakness too, not just their enemies. If one sides’ dragons are not invincible, it obviously goes for the other side as well. Which is what the common people figured out almost immediately, because unlike Cole, they have common sense.
Was that Cole’s decision? He seemed uncomfortable with the situation.
@@Durran196 I’m sorry if you need everything spelled out for you to figure it out. His men are ordered by “someone” to cut off the dragon’s head and parade it through the streets. Aemond is not in the position to give orders to those men, or pretty much anyone, he’s just their nuke with his dragon.
@@NikkiStevenReact Yes, it was him. He seemed uncomfortable because even he managed to understand that people are not very happy about the news that dragons, the beasts that are supposed to win them any war, are not unkillable.
I would have thought some small folk would be happy with meleys' death since she killed so many people at the pit. Otto was so outraged with Aegon losing the support of smallfolk with killing a dozen ratcatchers but the blacks don't really have that
@@sarwatarannya8786 My guess is that there are mixed feelings about it. Some people are probably happy that the other team lost a dragon and especially the one who did that, but its most likely overshadowed by the fact that they realize that their ultimate weapons can end up like this anytime as well.
You can see that Cole expected ppl to cheer when he paraded Meleys' head but instead there were murmurs of displeasure. No Targaryen can disrespect a dragon like that. It's obviously Cole's stupid plan to show strength but instead he has mortolized the dragons in the eyes of the small folk. Now the fear aspect they had of dragons is slowly deteriorating. "I thought the dragons were gods" "It's just meat" Those two statements show the shift in mindset
like i said you are reaching , truly reaching
@@khotunkhan3950 How are they reaching when it's literally the angle the show is going lmao? The Dragons were revered as gods so parading a dead one around the streets is going to shift how the common people view them, likely it will be one the things that leads to the storming of the dragonpit, the common people do not fear them as they did before
@@simplyawful543 him saying Cole wanted people to cheer is absolute bollocks and is coming from that stupid hate train for him because no where was it shown he wanted people to cheer , the whole parade through Kings landing with him , you could see he was still thinking about Rooks rest , the guy looked traumatized and was literally sullen the whole episode
And it was probably Aemonds idea to do that and he relayed it to Cole who then gave the command. Cole wouldn't even know where Meleys fell
The hate train for Cole is becoming annoying when people pull imaginative bad concepts on him just because they want to still be on the hate train
I will never look at this show with bias lenses because the show was meant for people to understand both sides are both right and wrong but these directors have pitted a majority of the fandom against the Greens because they can't direct a neutral perspective for this show and have being biased towards the blacks
@@khotunkhan3950thank you the Cole hate is just getting annoying at this point
The townsfolk were like: "Kim there's people dying!" 😂😂😂
While it hasn’t been confirmed, most people think the large dragon scull at Dragonstone is Meraxas. Meraxas was one of the original three Targaryen dragons, along with Balerion and Vhagar. Meraxas was felled in Dorne by a scorpion bolt during the time of Aegon the Conqueror. And the scull of Balerion is the one in the Red Keep in King’s Landing.
we'll no doubt see that in the upcoming Aegon the Conqueror series
I'm beginning to really love Jace and Baela. This was a slower episode but it certainly moved several stories forward. I'm loving the team up of Rhaenya and Mysaria. She's extremely clever and she recognizes loyalty in Rhaenyra. I'm so excited for next week!
While Rhaenyra fighting a war, this man Daemon been playing Luigi’s mansion the last 3 episodes 😭
They have 2 spare dragons and Mysaria doing the rumour/little bird type things in the background is a game changer.
I feel like they should have more than 2 spare dragons because they have laenors dragon seasmoke, along with vermithor and silver wing
@@najaneetubbs3941 They also have dragons that have never had been claimed too.
They have more than 2 dragons to spare. They have much more than the three already named, Seasmoke, Vermithor and Silverwing.
Sheepstealer but with no nettles I don’t know what will happen
@@JackDee5 I have a feeling they won’t introduce nettles because they have shown Adam of hull and Hugh Hammer already but not her
I’ve never seen loyalty like that little doggo’s. Lil bro got roundhouse kicked and he’s still by his master’s side
Greyseptons bobby?
On the other hand next week they'll probably have a close up a something familiar roasting over a spit. Famine kills entimentality.
This reply didn't age well lol
What Rhaenyra and Jacaerys talked about in the last scene are called dragon seeds (Targaryen bastards live among the commoners), it's dangerous idea, They don't know them and they're about to hand one of them the second largest dragon alive.
It's a gamble but they don't have a choice
how about you stop spoiling the show!
@@kledi3817 what? I literally didn't spoil anything.
It's more of a soft spoil, you didn't really spoil anything, but you kinda did.
at 35:50 The end of this Episode where they talk of others with the called "Dragon Seed"... may I point at 10:22 and 26:20 who is this low-born with a big strong look, with long white hair, and way is he getting screen time?
While daemon with his mom is weird you should know that she died when he was like 3 so he wouldnt recognize her. Even for targaryens a mother and son or father daughter has never happened. So he definitely didnt know it was his mom until she called him son.
Well, it didn't happen at all. It's a vision forced upon him, not something he chose in any way.
@MARYWTHER oh I know Alys is messing with his head hard.
Aegon IV possibly fucked his bastard daughter and her mother in a threesome 😭 possibly didn't know she was his daughter but if we're being real he definitely knew
This was the second time we heard a Targaryen Prince whisper longingly for the comfort of his “mummy”. While Rhaenyra answered her child’s plea for maternal reassurance, once again, Aegon was denied. I know that Aegon and his brother are lousy pricks but they got royally shafted in the parental department.
And it is because of their royal shafting in the parental department that Aegon and Aemond grew up to be lousy pricks.
They really did. This is why I find the differences between the "Targtowers" and the Strong boys so interesting. It's like opposite sides of the coin, Aegon and Jace specifically. Both are the firstborn son and are expected by their family to rule at some point. Aegon is a trueborn prince and Jace is a bastard, and yet the former has a shitty life and Jace has everything he could want. Aegon has Alicent and Viserys, Jace has Rhaenyra and Laenor and Harwin (and maybe even a bit of Daemon). Whose life would you rather have? Would you rather know that you are a trueborn prince who "deserves the throne", but have felt no love or acceptance in your life? Or would you rather carry the burden of being a bastard but be supported and loved by your family?
After seeing this episode, I was wondering how Aegon and Aemond would've turned out if Rhaenyra was their mother...
@@alexisx4368 Viserys never cared about Aegon or the rest of his kids
@@korki3581 me too.. aegon seems to want his mothers assurance on the last episode before he flew to rooks rest too. I wonder what rhaenyra would have said to him if she was his mother.
Only three dragons have died since the time of Aegons conquest and the start of this show:
Balerion - died of old age
Meraxes - killed in Dorne during conquest
Quicksilver - Killed by Balerion and his rider Maegor the Cruel
The skull is most likely Meraxes
The skull could belong to one of the four dragons that fled Valyria with Aenar and died before conquest.
Daemon is in his Inside Out Era at Harrenhall 😂
Well, there was that fella in Kings Landing telling people he was a descendant of the Targaryans, and I dont think they would have had the scene if it wasnt intended to be an easter egg for this whole Seed situation.
Agreed. Just like I think that dude who saved Corlys (his bastard son) will become his heir and maybe even ride his other son's dragon.
For the people complaining that this is a "slow episode", go watch something else cause you don't know slow from a story driven episode.
Is that a complaint about this episode?
@@NikkiStevenReact it is, believe it or not. There’s no action, so apparently that equals slow and boring.
From a book readers perspective it's a slow episode. They stretched about one or two pages into 60 minutes.
But the acting is so damn good and production is amazing. So I'm not complainin because sometimes the book actually moves too fast.
I’m more surprised people didn’t expect it I knew it was going to be a slow episode and I knew it wasn’t going to be as good as episode 2 to me it was a filler feeling like episode lol
It’s being watched by the exact people that are the reason we got season 7 and 8, those who only care about the action, and not the politics.
I really like that you guys understood the alicent-cole scene. Alicent somehow expects to be named regent when she's done pretty much nothing for the council in terms of action. Her power always came from the men around her, her husband, her father and now her sons. And now, even the dude that was basically her lapdog has become way more powerful than her, thats why she's so surprised by how Cole called her by her name. Everyone thinks thats supposed to be an epic own on Cole. But thats just alicent trying to feel in control.
I see both sides
i don’t really think she expected it, i think she was just so desperate for it not to be aemond because she fears him.
I don’t know why people don’t realize that Alicent fears Aemond. And I think she expected that Cole would tell her what really happend. But now she realizes that people are really on her side when it’s convenient for them.
It makes perfect sense why she wouldn't want Aemond in charge.. look at all he's done. Who would?
Sounds like you didn't understand the scene. It was to show the hypocrisy of Alicent and the sexism of the Greens. Its also to show that Alicent fears Aemond because she knows better than anyone how much of a loose cannon he is and that he will be even worse in power
37:08 Daemon was singing to Vermithor.
This episode felt like classic seasons 1-4 of GOT and I was all for it.
what ??? it was boring and writing is lame
@@queenxx1690 go back to your romcoms and teen dramas, we want more politics and build up that actually hype the battles and deaths , action every episode is for children
@@queenxx1690 Why are you still watching? Literally almost every episode it's like this and there's only a little bit of action sprinkled in throughout both seasons.
I got your back, Nikki. It hurts my soul when I hear the dragons screeching in pain.
the price Aemon paid for the throne, killing luke accidently plus his dragon, unleashing the targaryen civil war, the death of nephewJaehaerys , burning aegon (kinslaying) and killing Meleys + Rhaenys. Chaos is a ladder. He creates chaos to turn people against people and takes advantage of their differences to reach his desired destination
I'm sure other people have done this already, but here goes.
- Dragon riders can only bond with one dragon at a time, and dragons can only bond with one rider at time. (Based on the information we have at the moment at least.)
- Balerion (the Black Dread) was the largest dragon ever known in Westeros, larger than Vhagar currently is. He was Aegon the Conqueror's dragon. At the time of the show, he has been dead for 30-40 years. Viserys was Balerion's final rider, but he died when Viserys was a young man. Balerion's skull is currently in the Red Keep, it is the one seen surround by candles in the first episode of the first season, when Viserys is telling Rhaenyra about the Song of Ice & Fire.
- The skull seen behind Rhaenyra in this episode, & a couple of other this season, is of Meraxes. She was the dragon of Queen Rheanys, Aegon the Conqueror's wife and younger sister. Both Meraxes and Rheanys were killed in Dorn during Aegon's conquest.
- There are currently 5 wild &/or riderless dragons living on Dragonstone. Vermithor and Silverwing used to have riders, while Grey Ghost, The Cannibal, and Sheepstealer have never been ridden.
- Vermithor (the Bronze Fury) was the dragon of King Jaehaerys I, the old king who is seen right at the start of the first episode of season one, and the grandfather of Viserys, Daemon, & Rheanys. Vermithor has been riderless since King Jaehaerys died, which is around 20 years at this point. He is the dragon that Daemon sings to at the end of season one. He should be very large, bigger than Ceraxes and Meleys, not as big as Vhagar but more than big enough to pose a real threat.
- Silverwing was the dragon of Good Queen Alysanne, the wife and younger sister of King Jaehaerys. She has also been riderless for approximately 20 years at this point in the show. She should also be bigger than Ceraxes and Meleys, though smaller than Vermithor.
- Grey Ghost, The Cannibal, and Sheepstealer all live wild out on the island of Dragonstone rather than under the castle like the previous two. They are rarely seen as they avoid human contact as much a possible. It is unknown how old Grey Ghost and Sheepstealer are, so it's difficult to say how large they should be, but they will be no smaller than Syrax.
- The Cannibal is the one dragon alive one could possibly rival Vhagar in size. He is rumoured to have lived on Dragonstone since before the Targaryens arrived, making him possibly over 200 years old at this point. As a result he could well be even bigger than Vhagar, as she was hatched on Dragonstone shortly after the Targaryens re-located. He is named the Cannibal as he is the one dragon that will hunt, kill, and eat other dragons.
I know that's a lot of information. Hopefully I got it all right & that it helps clear some things up.
@@GentleBen_86 that’s a great breakdown! Super useful, thank you!
Why is Vhagar said to be the biggest if the Cannibal might be bigger? Or why haven’t we heard anything of him at all when talking about dragons that could rival Vhagar
@sirfrancisgaming9438 To my mind, there are a handful of possible reasons why the Cannibal hasn't been mentioned on the show so far.
- There is no specific information on exactly how big the Cannibal is. The books only talk about rumours that he was on the isle of Dragonstone before the Targaryens arrived, meaning he would, if that is true, be older than Vhagar. As dragons continue to grow as they age, that would mean that he is bigger than Vhagar. However, if he is younger than her then he would easily be smaller than her, and, in my head-cannon at least, he is smaller than her as that just seems to fit better.
- He, like the other wild dragons, is very reculsive and is rarely seen even by the people who live on Dragonstone. The books imply that, even before the war, the "green" side of House Targaryen spent most of their time in King's Landing, while the "black" side remained largely on Dragonstone. As a result, there's a possibility that Team Green don't know he exists. Team Black may just discount him as unlikely to accpet a rider as he's very old and has never had one before.
- Jace didn't mention any wild dragons in this episode, and Daemon only briefly mentioned "three wild dragons" in the final episode of season one. It could be that the show writers are choosing not to include the wild dragons in the show, possibly to streamline the number of dragons involved. If they just go with Seasmoke, Vermithor & Silverwing getting new riders then it won't really change much of what follows in the book.
**Very minor spoiler alert** In the book, the Cannibal doesn't get a rider, as he kills everyone who tries to bond with/claim him, and plays no part in the war.
Any of those could be reasons why we've not heard of the Cannibal as yet in the show, and there my be others. Ultimately, I can only speculate based on the information the books give and what the shows have chosen to do with it so far.
@@GentleBen_86 I really hope The cannibal gets involved in the show somehow, even if he doesn't get a rider i would love to see him, i bet he looks amazing
I might sound dumb but if dragons can only bond with 1 rider at a time and viceversa, how could Daenerys bond with 3?
During the small council after aemond took over they reported that people was fleeing the city because they feared what rhynera would do after killing rheanys also the people seen parading the dragon head around was a bad omen. So aemond told them to lock the gates and no one is allowed to come or go
Baila got the best parts of her mom and dad
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Wow. I just realized Rhaena and Baela are half sisters to Rhaenyra's 2 youngest sons through Daemon. Smh. I need to pay more attention. I guess that's why Rhaenyra sent Rhaena off with her little brothers to the Vale.
I don't think Cole is all messed up by what he saw on the ground, but by what he saw in the air and what he saw Aemond do to Aegon. He is also holding that info back. That is why he's acking the way that he is, and he knows that is what Alicent is trying to get him to say. Just what I think.
He didn't wake up until the battle was over.
Daemon is basically getting years worth of intensive therapy courtesy of The Old Gods. Imagine a therapist that has unfiltered access to your conscious and unconscious mind!!
Daemon was singing to vermithor in season 1. Vermithor belonged to jaherys and silverwing belonged to his wife. Silverwing is probably either a little bigger than meley if not the same size. There is 6 riderless dragons at dragonstone. Vermithor silverwing and seasmoke amd then the 3 wild dragons sheepstealer grey ghost and the cannibal.
23:35 - I think Larys just lost feet privileges.
Daemon has more severe mommy issues than Aemond does 😂😂
Replace the D and A and you get the same person 😂
@@carravaggiomikelson870 true lmao
Aemond will have his turn at Harrenhal...
Im sure of it
Jace is mvp on this ep
Yeah, he kicked butt
24:41 That shot of Alicent is amazing. Amaaazing! Just wow, stunning
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the puppy the most loyal.
Boring
@@mirceadacialorantbrescia4340 Puppies are never boring
@@frnknstndrgqn i thought you are from teamblack
I'm team dragon
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The opening scene with Corlys & the scene with the dog made me tear up just a little bit. That dog is a cutie.
I really love the way they all talk about Vhagar like she’s the Death Star!
Lord bracken has got the biggest balls in the seven kingdoms.
Yeah, that was an insane scene
His hatred for Blackwalls are too tremendous that he didn't care about death by dragon. 😂
I dont recall Blackwall it'a Blackwood@@thihaaung647
@@thihaaung647 Blackwoods*
I just know GRRM is pissed for them making the Brackens look cool
I do believe in the green council, Alicent feels ignored but also terrified of Aemond
Daemon was actually singing to Vermithor whose the second largest dragon currently. Balerion the Black Dread is the legendary mount of Aegon the Conqueror who was the biggest dragon ever recorded. He's been dead for decades and his skull is the one we see in the Red Keep
the moment where Aegon said Mommy was really heartbreaking, you can say what you want about Cersei but she loved her children to death her look when Myrcella arrived dead in King's Landing at the harbor (where she said to Jamie she was so good, so innocent, she wasn't like me, she was pure love) or to Tommen when he was being manipulated by the High Sparrow she said, I always will Stand by you no matter what, I will burn down cities for you if someone does something to you, and even Joffry loved her, even if he was what he was, she still loved him She wore his ring on her index finger until the end, Alicent really screwed up with hers and she is becoming more and more aware of that.
Alicent didnt hear him say mommy
That doesn't matter, but when he cried for his son, she looked at him and simply walked out instead of comforting him, that's not how a loving mother behaves .
I mean in fairness, Alicent became a mother as a teenager who was the child of Otto, I wouldn't expect her to be that emotionally prepared to raise 4 kids well
I agree but I believe Alicent didn’t even want kids and really doesn’t have any emotional bond to any of the 4, Rhanerya wanted kids and loves her kids more than anything.. I believe Alicent loves her kids but she doesn’t have the emotional capabilities cause she was young teen when she was forced to marry and produce children
@@andalilbitqueer Cersei also became a mother as a teenager, and she also lost her own mother as a child, so that's no excuse
I really love Mysaria. Smart characters are always welcome!
One king wanted to help the people, one was too focused on winning the war, and a queen was focused on the future of a dream. The Targaryen siblings United as one would have prevailed and raised the Targaryen house to its greatest
Nikki, I, too, had my Ace Ventura moment with the mention of bat shit. 😀 "Guano!"
You guys are getting a few dragon names mixed up. Balerion was aegon the conquerors dragon and is dead. Vhagar is the largest alive right now. The skull was meraxes, one of aegons sisters dragons. Vermithor is the one daemon was singing to, and is currently the second largest dragon (i believe, as the wild dragons sizes are a little shaky in my memory)
Jace and Baela are quickly becoming my favorites
I mean they wear matching red and black dragon rider outfits. The half cape is the best part. Always dripped tf out. How can you not love them? 😂😂
"It's a mad thought" - Rhaenyra
"Sometimes, all you need is just a touch of madness to prove yourself the most sane." - Me
The second largest dragon that has a rider is actually Dreamfyre, Helaena's dragon. She's third after Vermithor.
Thought your analysis at the beginning was spot on. Thank you!
Vhagar and Vermithor have been the two biggest living dragons since episode 1.
Balerion has been dead for a long time, now. Daemon was singing to Vermithor at the end of season 1.
It was Vermithor that Daemon was singing to, and Vermithor is the second biggest dragon. Dragons born in the dragon pit at kings landing tend to be more docile and smaller compared to others. They are still very, very dangerous, but Vermithor is a dragon who is huge and vicious. He is a monster. Great reaction you two! Glad to be coming along for the ride
I actually like Aegon. I feel he’s trying to be a good King but no one cares enough to show him. 😢❤🏴
Not to spoil anything but if you study the show they have shown you who will be the next dragon rider.
your mom ?
They seem to be showing that guy who had the sick child alot and daemons other child who was sent off... just a wild guess.. I don't even kno them two names
Team Green did a terrible mistake showing that dragons aren't invincible.
“I am blood & fire, Driftmark must pass through salt and sea” this is a great line, the authors subtle way of showing us why he wrote (killed off) Rhaenyra’s bastard sons out of the line of succession for Driftmark.. It must pass to true Velaryons (Alyn, Addam).
…who will only be Velaryons if Corlys officially recognizes them as his sons. Rhaenys essentially gave him permission (almost commanded him) to do so at least for Alyn.
And what do you mean about Rhaenyra’s sons? Corlys insisted that Luke would inherit Driftmark because he bore the Velaryon name regardless of his parentage. Baela, on the other hand, is Daemon’s daughter, and thereby a Targaryen, not a Velaryon. She is preserving Corlys’ family name as the rulers of Driftmark in this instance.
@@markhamstra1083 the author is using destiny or fate to essentially make sure Driftmark is inherited by true Velaryons, not just by boys who simply bare the name.
@@cereal_killer8773 Ah, that is what you meant. Btw, you do know that GRRM did not write Baela’s line?
@@markhamstra1083 but he has approved of literally everything they’re doing for the show. It goes through him first so thanks for chiming in
@@cereal_killer8773 Whatever. Regardless of any confusion over which “author” or “he” you were talking about, it’s not even necessary to engage in any spoilery “writing out” of anyone via authorial teleology. Baela can simply be reminding her grandfather that he previously rejected her because she didn’t have the right name, so she’s not now inclined to forget that hurt to make his naming of a successor easier now.
@37:07: a dragon rider cannot ride another dragon. It is one bond at a time, usually until either the rider or his/her dragon dies. Daemon was just singing a lullaby to Vermithor, who was old king Jahaerys’ dragon and who was seemingly familiar with said lullaby (you can find the lyrics online). Daemon was seeking to reacquaint him with humans, I guess. Or maybe trying an old Valyrian spell he found in Pentos to enroll him for the Blacks (like Viserys, Daemon is obsessed with Targaryen history). Balerion died of old age when Viserys, his last rider, was young, about 10 years before his reign began.
Do you think Daenerys could have rode either viserion or rhagal Aswell as drogon if she wanted ? She had a bit of a closer bond with those 3 however
@@BobbyFlay14 All three dragons consider her as a mother and have a connection with her, but she is only bonded to Drogon as a rider. I think she would not be interested in riding the other 2 as the bond works both ways and she feels uniquely attached to Drogon as a rider.
@@BobbyFlay14 probably not, she can only ride one, That's why Jon was able to claim Rhaegal. I don't think they would KILL her if she tried, since they know her and listen to her to an extent, but she can't ride them, she only had dragon rider bond with Drogon.
@@ccispahan7514 thanks for the clarification gents. Was wondering why when dragon was off on his walkabouts she didn’t bother riding the other 2 lol
@ccispahan7514 u sure she only rode 1 dragon.. I pretty sure she had rode all of them..
Even the small folk can't tell who's who
Alicent got Punk'd! 😂😂😂😂
Yeah she did
Damn...I didn't even think about the dragons being related...that really changes my perspective on the whole family vs family situation
Anyone else see a Fight Club twist coming with Daemon and the mysterious woman at Harrenhal?
We’re seeing that storyline play out in another show, hope it’s something different
Baela and Jace are the MVPs
People have really got too used to the action packed final episodes of GoT and completely forgot some of the better episodes didnt have much action at all
This was an excellent and important episode for sure.
That was maraxes skull in dragonstone. The dragon of aegons sister wife rhaenys shot down by the dornish. It was shot in the eye and you can see the broken section of the eye. Balerions skull is in kings landing.
Ser Alfred keeps spitting facts in every episode he's in lol. I hope Daemon doesn't kill him.
If you've read fire and blood he's actually an important character in the future
The actor that plays the new charcater Hugh, the dude with the sick daughter is one of the BEST characters in another PHENOMENAL show called warrior. Which I HIGHLY recommend btw, 10/10 show and I don’t mean that lightly. But seeing him in this I KNOW not only is he going to be a BEAST in the fight scenes but he’s also a phenomenal actor so I know he’s gonna make us jsut fall completely in love with his character. Super stoked to see where the end up with him
I think the Alicent breathing scene was her realizing that Aemond burned Aegon and that she's raised a monster.
You both are such a joy to watch. So authentic. x
That transition between Rhaenyra and Daemon was great! You can interpret it two ways. Are they mirror images of each other or polar opposites?
Alfred Broom should have responded with "Well, I'm a knight, so I know a thing or two about combat, my Queen."
I feel like I wanted everyone to mourn Rhaenys …. I’m still mourning our Queen who should have been 😢
The scene with Rhanerya breaking the 4th wall was so cool and chilling.
When she looked straight at the camera and said, "It's a mad thought". I felt like she was talking straight to me❤
Aegon never wanted to be king. He said so his whole life. See, Otto and Allicent wanted him for a puppet. Allicent beat him and called him names. They never counted on Christon Cole and Aemond. They didn't think he would fire Otto, etc. Allicent's kids are her creations.
in regards to dragons currently alive, vhagar is the largest at 180 years at this point of the story, the second largest is a male being vermithor at 99 years old, his last rider was King Jaehaerys the 1st which ruled over 60 years of peace. He was the king at the intro season 1 episode 1. The dragon that Daemon was singing to last season was in deed Vermithor & not Balerion the black dread who is long dead at this point
In the books, Sunfyre didn’t die but was crippled like Aegon
I don’t know if the episode is just letting us think he died or the characters are convinced he died at that point but it will be interesting to see how they will adapt that change
@@sasoriae5225 Was it Cole who said in this episode that Sunfyre takes a long time dying? It sounded like he is not dead yet. ;)
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He can't die, he has to be around for the big snack time😉
@@honoria2338 Yes. He said Sunfyre was taking too long to die so he left it in Rooks Rest. Implying that he didn't die.
@@honoria2338 Yes but didn’t Rhaenyra said later that Maelys died at the claws of two dragons and she still managed to slay one ? It feel like she was convinced he died
@@supereero9 Exactly my thought 😂
Actually, Vhaegar might’ve been beat, if you notice, the fight between Meleyes and Vhaegar was fairly even. If Sunfyre hadn’t been there, they both would’ve probably died. The show didn’t do Meleyes justice. She was a famous and very well known war dragon.
It wasnt close, vhagar was at no point even close to losing, meleys coulnt do enough damage to beat vhagar. Her only offense was the scratch that barely broke vhagars skin/scales.
@@kylemma33it was close lol, vhagar got slung to the ground by meleys and grounded. she’s old and slow. and her rider has very little experience
@@flohkru I don't think Meleys slung Vhagar to the ground. More like they'd grappled and right before they both hit the ground Meleys slunk out of Vhagars grasp
@@kailanerman5090 that is not what happened, that was the whole point of us seeing Rhaenys clip herself in and then going upside down beneath Vhagar and meleys grabbing onto Vhagars foot to get into her blind spot to ground her and destabilize her. if that were the case meleys wouldn’t have been able to fly away and she would have been grounded with her. meleys was in control of that spiral
@@flohkruthank you! Vhagar got sat down by Meleys who was flying as Vhagar was grounded. If Sunfyre and Aegon hadn’t shown up all unexpectedly, Meleys might’ve gone out but Vhagar would’ve been mortally wounded or worse. Aemond would’ve died or would’ve been in the same position Aegon is in instead. Meleys had experience and Rhaenys was an experienced dragon rider with more years put in than Aemond. She would’ve handled him!
the fuckin’ Greens should listen to Helaena
"Was is worth the price?" has a double meaning indeed. It is a reference to Aemond loosing his eye for a dragon as a child. He said it himself, it was a fair deal. It was worth it. But to sit on the iron throne, was it worth to almost kill his brother ? Helaena Targaryen is special but she is no fool. She knows what Aemonf is capable of. She knows who he is, what he wants. It's even possible she actually knows more, I mean, the future, in a sens. Never forget. Aemond is already called "Kinslayer" ans not just "Aemond one eye" because he killed his half brother Luke. Now Aegon, his brother, the king ? As Rhaenys Targaryen put it two episodes ago : "there's no war so hateful to the gods than a war between kin and no war so bloody as a war between dragons".
Luke was his nephew not second brother
I honestly treat these videos like it's movie night, me and my house-mate sit down with dinner on the couch with our feet up and a beer to watch these! It's so much fun.
Well, in case anyone was wondering if Targaryens are fireproof, you have your answer 😂
I hated how they did that. A good example of them not understanding the magick from the books at all.
That whole episode was a kick to the guts of the small folk and shows us that there are three sides green, black and smallfolk... all throughout the episode we saw that, the small folk buying moldy oranges vs criston cleaning his sword with a perfect lemon.. people fighting over food vs Aegon being covered by good to eat lettuce
Aegon was missing and whole episode was boring without him
Alicent would be a terrible choice for regent right now, all she would do is write letters to Rhaenyra begging for peace and bringing up their friendship from 20 years ago
I saw that alicent wanted to be in charge so aemond didn't cause anymore damage. She was trying, she was trying to prevent even though it was too late :(
The reason the Brackens and other Riverland lords refused to follow Daemon is because he ordered the Blackwoods to basically do whatever they want (grape, pillage, murder) which they did, and yet again like in ep 1 Daemon doesn't think about the consequences.
The Brackens accepted to kneel, out of fear for their people, it's the other lords who refused to kneel due to Daemon's methods.
He also told the Blackwoods "there are things The Crown can not be seen to do" and yet they carried the Targaryen banner while they slaughtered Bracken innocents.
Well, he first told Willem Blackwood to wage a covert war of terror against the Brackens, which Blackwood did by stealing women and children. But even after the Brackens submitted to these kidnapping and terror tactics, the Blackwoods committed further acts of vengeance and grievance against the Brackens. The Blackwoods did this while carrying the Targaryen banner, but it didn’t seem to me that Daemon had ordered or allowed these further acts after the Brackens had bent the knee. Regardless of how surprised Daemon was by the Blackwoods’ further actions, the Brackens have a legitimate grievance that their new liege lord is at least failing to protect them, and maybe he is acting as an overt tyrant against his new vassal.
Y’all are giving Criston and Aemond too much credit. Their dragon ambush plan was bold and aggressive. It was not particularly smart. They had no idea how many dragons would show up when they kicked the hornets’ nest by attacking Rooks’ Rest right next to Dragonstone. They could have seen between one and four dragons showing up from Dragonstone; and as far as they know, Dragonstone could also have coordinated with Daemon to have him show up on Caraxes from Harrenhal. They could have been facing an overwhelming number of dragons, but Criston and Aemond were just so overconfident because they have the biggest dragon that they were willing to attack whoever showed up. As it happened, it was only Rhaenys and Meleys who did show up, so their plan would have worked fairly well without Aegon and Sunfyre (although Vhagar winning a 1v1 with Meleys would not be the sure thing that many viewers seem to think it would always be), but that was more the result of luck than it was good planning.
It was a gamble, but I think they weren't just hot-headed idiots.
They knew Caraxes and Daemon were very, very far away in the Riverlands. Meleys was the only threat at Dragonstone. Vermax is no threat, and neither is Moondancer. They're infant/teenage dragons.
So, the only options were to send Meleys or the queens. And syrax is not a fighting dragon in any way.
So it was a gamble (if Meleys had with one or two others) it could've made things more difficult, but the potential rewards were either 1) taking out the Black's best dragon/rider or 2) taking out Rhaenyra. However, I do wish the show had been more like the books where Sunfyre/Aeg were there for it intentionally. They could've even justified it with:
"MY king, you can not go to battle! The risk is too great!"
"And if my brother finds himself alone against 2 or 3? I can not let him risk his life or Vhagar's for this battle. I will go. I may not be The Conqueror, but I'm as fearsome as any of them. I will go to Rooks Rest!"
There. Now, it's consistent with the book and makes the Greens seem more tactically minded.
@@kailanerman5090 Harrenhal is not very, very far away from Rooks’ Rest. It is at nearly an identical remove as is King’s Landing - i.e. a fairly short and easy dragon flight; not as close as Dragonstone, but not far for a dragon. Had Rhaenyra and Daemon been in regular communication and on good terms (which the greens do not know much if anything about, one way or the other), then it would not have been difficult to coordinate an attack on Rooks’ Rest using both Caraxes and Meleys. In the prior episode when Daemon tried to command Rhaenys to go with him to King’s Landing to kill Aemond and Vhagar, he seemed quite confident that the two of them together could deal with anything at King’s Landing. That confidence, based on the skills of two experienced dragon riders and the capabilities of their dragons, seems far better founded than Aemond and Criston’s plan based on little more than Vhagar’s size.
Aemond and Criston were recklessly overconfident. But they got away with it. At least Criston is no longer so confident about winning battles that involve dragons.
@markhamstra1083 I think Daemons "plan" to attack Kingslanding was foolish and reckless.
The entire city is on guard, with scorpions around every wall and tower, and on top of that, Vhagar is patrolling the skies as said during a Council meeting (I think)
Meleys was also extremely exhausted and would have been even more so by the time they reached Kingslanding.
Meleys only advantage over Vhagar is speed and agility, which would have been burnt out by the time they arrived.
Considering how close the fight was when she was ready for a fight, I think an exhausted Meleys would've died quickly.
The fact that Daemon himself says he can't face Vhagar alone implies that he's aware a head-on attack is suicide. So the idea that he's willing to go attack a well City Capital where they're waiting for them seems rash to me
As far as how far Daemon is from Rooks Rest, Rooks rest is right near Drogonstone. Along the eastern coast. While I believed that Harrenhaul was closer to the center or western sea of the Riverlands. I might not remember the exact location on the map.
It's fair to assume that even if Daemon made for Rooks Rest, it would've been too late. MELEYS had just arrived when the battle started, and she's super close by comparison and much faster than Caraxes.
There's no way a raven could have gotten word to Daemon fast enough for him to make the travel in time for the battle. Absolutely no way. If he'd gotten the message and gotten to the battle, he'd be too late and too exhausted and vulnerable anyway...
The Blacks should have sent back up. Hey, even if Vermax and Moondancer are teenagers, they're still better than no support. The truth is that even if the ambush was a gamble, it was a gamble that was more in the Greens favor.
In this world, most strategic war decisions need to be bold and aggressive. If Aegon didn’t show up, the plan would’ve been perfect cause they only sent one dragon.
@@kailanerman5090 What is this “make it in time for the battle” nonsense? It was a siege, for which the greens had no major siege engines and only a few small battering rams built. In the book the siege was days long, and Rooks’ Rest only called for aid when their supplies began to run out. Even by the show’s timeline there was plenty of time to coordinate by raven and/or dragon, or for Rhaenys simply to fly to Harrenhal first to collect Daemon before the two of them went to the relief of Rooks’ Rest. The distances involved are just not that great on dragon back.
24:42 To me she finally is fully aware. She has nothing to say in the madness that this kid is about to unleash upon the realm