This is why I would never work for a startup. "Many hats" is codeword for we need someone we can take advantage of doing work equivalent to multiple roles while paying them like they only work one.
And that's how you lose your chance to be an unique and independent personality. You will never be recognised for your work again and everything you work on will go to the credits of a nicely paying company.
I feel identified with you. I had an interview that they sent me to carry out a project, the application works well and passed the tests, I never had a feedback and they didn't say thank you, that experience taught me not to carry out more projects for startups or any small business anymore. joma you are awesome guy, thank you for sharing your experience
yeah, never do work like this for an interview . just shows whoever you are going to work for doesn't know what they're doing if they think this is a good way to hire people
Scale is going to have to pivot soon given that their entire business model is based on providing data sets for training models. A study out of Waterloo about LO-shot learning is gonna change the game.
I find it rude when a potential employer does not give the result of the interview and you have to guess from the silence. It would take them a minute to just write a short email saying the application was not successful. Even more so after you spent some time on their assignment.
I always laughed when interviewer gave me some task to do at home ;) These times the recuritment tasks requires many hours to resolve due to their complexity. No one pays you for your time plus even if done correctly, you do not have quarantee to get hired. I got situation once when the company gave me feedback "the solution does not satisfy us". When I tried to get more detailed explanation they simply cut off the entire communcation ^^. I consulted that task with a few friends including senior software engineers and each of them said that task definately had been done correctly. Neverthless tasks do not show the value of candidate.
As someone who's part of the other side of the interview process, I've read dozens of homework assignments that took anywhere from 2h to 2-3 days. The thing is that my company does the real interview only after the home assignment is reviewed, which is super weird. I protested many times to this approach, because it asks candidates for a lot of their time, when it's not yet clear that they'd be even a close fit to the role. I've reviewed pretty shit code that seems to have been written by someone who did literally their 2nd project ever, and we require someone who can program robots from scratch. But all my protests fell on deaf ears, and I got snarky attitudes like "if the candidate is serious about joining, they'll spend that time, it's a filter". I'm like WTF do you think you are? There are a myriad of companies out there. This entitlement is killing me. Anyway, I'm lining up for a few offers elsewhere, so I'll probably quit within the next few days. It has been quite a toxic experience, and a good learning experience - learning what things are actually red flags to watch out for next time.
@@napillnik I hope you found better place now Donnie. As a job-seeker, it is very frustrating too have to complete test left alone test that only had 24 hours to complete or second test "just to make sure" from the bigger boss. And I'm stuck in that situation now. But knowing that some recruiter do care like you, make me feel better!
I think what they wanted was to you build an object detection model using OpenCV or YOLO, which automatically draws boxes around cows or anything else in picture.
Reminds me of an interview I had with a company that was in downtown San Francisco. They said we are working with the public, and they are not out there for profit first. Basically trying to justify paying their employees less (I saw the starting salary..about 30% than others were giving for a similar starting position). So they don't want to give competitive salaries, but they want their building to be in San Francisco, and their employees to live in the bay area. Talk about disaster; they probably have to rehire all the time because I'm sure people aren't staying with them for very long.
that sounds like one of the classic question out of 'cracking the code interview' book. Don't remember it exactly how to do it, probably need something like a min-heap and a max-heap. It has been quite a while since I had to practice any interview questions. Feeling pretty rusty
So basically the whole business revolves around hiring a bunch of contractors (don't have to pay them benefits and can treat like crap) to label data. Why the hell would anybody want to work for a company like that?
How many lines of code was that project of yours? I’m not a frontend guy myself so it looked fairly advanced, seemed significant for a take-home interview assignment
These two guys, lucy and wang, started learning coding at really small age. 0_0 Lucy lived in Silicon Valley and learned to code in second grade Noice No wonder they are good at it
“I’ll try to remember something I learned from one of Joma’s videos during the final” My mind during the final: “Baby cow, Baby cow, Baby cow, Mama cow”
Guys I’m not salty, I’m sweet :3 But for real, I think this company is super promising. Most FANG company have their own in-house system for hiring labelers, and I know that it’s extremely valuable for any ML team. Getting trusted, reliable and cost effective labeled data is not easy for smaller companies. I actually feel honored that I even got to interview for them in the super early stages.
so wait? so what's the real china? america or china? so chinese american writes software? and chinese chinese writes software? whose the real chinese? LOLs.
Applied for a job at UPS a while back and at least they were kind enough to reject me with an email. Small companies, It’s not hard to email 5 words to candidates “The position has been filled”
NEVER EVER send code of the interview project to a potential employer, unless it's snippets of code u done before... Some companies actually take your code and ghost u, if they are that interested in seeing your solution ask for a zoom call and u can demonstrate it, if they get bitchy about it, u ghost them and watch how quickly they wanna get back to u as u probably can do the code
It is pretty lame how companies can make you do free work for them, make you sit through a cringy interview answering their stupid brainteasers, and then ghost you.
If a company asks you to make a project for them before you are hired, I would tell them to fuck off! They should either ask you to write code for a generic problem or ask you to read through code and describe what the code does.
The ghosting by employers... It really shows a lack of maturity. Seems pretty rampant in the industry, also. Companies don't have to go into specifics and incur liability, but getting back to candidates in a timely manner should happen every time.
Leaving him without the respond was disrespectful. This shows how the company treats people, makes me sick of them. It`s not all about money, afterall don`t forget the courtesy.
Companies are looking to hire stacks of employees. Yes, they could respond on every one of them, and that is often proven to do more harm than good. People often start asking questions "Why wasn't I hired" and demand the company to hire them or even sue them because they think they didnt hire them for other unfair reasons. By just ghosting them, its just less effort from every side. Dont look it from just one perspective. A company is made out of humans too and they too have their concerns and they also like to look nice, but sometimes being nice is just not worth the shit you'll eat.
@@longphan9194yeuem hehe. Nah I've been ghosted from a dozens of companies too :P Its frustrating, but nothing is perfect. Everything comes with a cost.
@@exapsy My main studies are psychology. And I once read a book writen by a couple of US doctors, The book was titlted Snakes in Suits : When Psychopaths go to work. Its a book about corporate mentality. Nowadays that is called sociopathy by researchers and ghosting is a prevalent method/tactic they used by sociopaths with the rise of internet communications and social media. I am not in the mood for details but you guys are better off not working for people like these.
@@hungrygrimalkin5610 I can agree. But since you're studying psychology you must also know that sociopathy is not something all people dont have. We all have it at times, we all behave sociopathically especially at people we dont know. Best example is TV Shows that show non-actors and people start wishing their death without them even trying to empathize with them and see how they feel. Another example is politicians or rich people. We never try to empathize with rich people or with politicians, and we always wish the worst for them. Or the worst to people we hate. This is by definition sociopathic behavior. It's not something new, its not a mental disorder that only "dangerous people" have. We're all dangerous in our own ways. Just saying "they're sociopathic stay away from them" is a dangerous unprofessional way to behave as a student in psychology who'll sometime become a professional. It's not a logical argument, it's an emotional one.
"As a startup, we look for someone who can wear many hats." Ah yeah so that means we are cheap and lazy, you have to do everything but we won't pay you more money for it.
Lol no, it means there is limited budget and the first few employees are going to need to cover multiple roles. Your comment applies to larger companies using that statement, in start ups it’s a very real situation
@@sbdxaric most startup fail so you get equity and stock options on something that doesn't have value... it's like playing poker. In the Bay Area they pay above market because a room rents for 2k a month...
It definitely seems like they were fishing for free sample implementations of their basic framework to see different technical directions it could go. Cool approach, but you should be paying people to do that. Asking people to do it for free leads me to to believe you might treat future ethical matters with a total lack of ethics. This is a red flag especially in a machine learning company outsourcing labor, lots of ethical areas where you can violate privacy and take advantage of workers. The founders have shown questionable ethics from the start, so I certainly won't be choosing their service now.
They probably wanted to set you as an unpaid intern... usually when someone presents two options and one is clearly the unfavorable one that is the option they wanted you to take.
What about that hard leetcode question though? That is seriously a wtf.. a tiny start-up asking hard leetcode questions together with a take home project is a no gone zone for me
@@theenigma1109 Can I ask what is so hard about that leetcode question? Because to me it seems like a pretty simple exercise. It's one thing to be asked to implement it in the most efficient manner, but that was just asking to implement it.
@@KingGorrinoIt felt ridiculous bc they need a software engineer, and he literally just implemented part of the software for them, if that doesn't pass the qualification, then it felt like a setup where they don't want to pay you for the full price, and just have you do part of the job for free.
Joma you were solicited for work,it wasn’t a test,this happens a lot,the point of tests is to asses someone’s ability,the reason they said in the beginning not to share with anyone is so that they don’t get caught publicly with this.Dont beat up yourself over it.It was messed up of them.
"As a startup, we look for someone who can wear many hats." Very poor choice of words in a community that deals with coding and programming. Do you mean you want to hire someone who can wear White, Grey, and Black hats and switch said hats when it's convenient?
Someone who can code, cook, clean the dishes, do some 3-D design, SFX editor, able to repair the clogged toilet, drive the CEO's kids back to home and clean his feet
Well, I've got a dozen of insincere answers from companies I've applied when I was younger and only some have actually answered sincerely in a follow-up when I specifically asked for more feedback. Those kind of answers may hurt but they are worth a lot.
I've done more than 200 job interviews. I've held more than 500 job interviews. Cool engineer or not, 19 year olds rarely know shit about shit. On the strength of what I have seen you complete here in terms of coding know-how, sense of humour, creativity, work ethic and digital marketing success, I would offer you a job without an interview if I had a suitable position. Furthermore, all over the world, HR tends to be irrational low IQ resource wasting shit, its just that nobody appears to have noticed yet.
@@buingocthientan7479 so? It doesn't mean that he is good at HR, or that he is polite, or that every singe decision is a good one. Wealth is one measure. He is filthy rich? Great. Congrats. He is a genius at AI and that is an area which is extremely valuable. My statement that "19 year olds rarely know shit about shit" is a harsh but reasonable statement. The entire IT approach to recruitment is amateurish, inconsistent, and ironically considering the industry, largely illogical. Hard work and intelligence are essential but there is still all of the erratic factors such as location, time, connections, and random other factors. You can understand this even better than me. From your name you have a Viet heritage? My experience of Vietnamese students is that they are among the hardest working, and most brilliant I have ever met.
@@aika7974 I could argue and good HR manager can bring home great success. If they focused on leveling up the skills of the team, on helping everyone become more efficient, less toxic and more accountable without the blame game. HR can do great.
Now this is the content for which I subscribed. You are a fantastic software engineer. This episode truly has the charm to bring your views closer to you. Keep up the good work, Joma!
I bet they didn't thought it would be a story on youtube with 2 million + views. Must be really proud of themselves, able to snatch a free code on top of a hundreds of million funding, Thanks for the share Joma, now we know.
I dont think so...Joma looks like an exciteable type of guy ...an A type personality ....a lets get it done now type of guy...he comes across like a guy who will respond your emails and messages....like he got the ettiqute protocol on point ....big ups to him...
How is that two 19-year-olds interview you for their non-working startup at the time? Did they have investors an MVP? or what? Could you please tell us how this works, that should be interesting. Thank you
They probably already decided to ghost you when you said you were looking for a full-time position, When they say cringey shit like "Someone who can wear many hats" what they really mean is "We are looking for young talent who we can underpay and exploit" or in a single word "intern".
Just recently read an article of companies getting annoyed that applicants they hired don't even show up on the first day of work. A company quoted "They ghosted us for a better opportunity." Karma is sweet.
Isn't the answer to the question to use a min heap and max heap combination with the streaming median being the heap with +1 node or average them both if they're both the same size?
Sorry for ghosting
Lucy Guo so do you have any updates on my application? Let me know if there’s any action items for me. Best, Joma.
@@jomakaze Quit and start a company instead and maybe I'll fund it ;)
@@jomakaze Are you Gay?
@@jomakaze hahaha Lucy finally replied :-p
So, is that a no on the coffee?
This is why I would never work for a startup. "Many hats" is codeword for we need someone we can take advantage of doing work equivalent to multiple roles while paying them like they only work one.
Hello fellow yeagerist
@@gabriellsh 3.hours a day. That's nice ? Or is it
that's how it is in the beginning until they grow and hire more people. I love working for a startup. The benefits can't be beat.
@@ericmharper Agree 100%.
Why are people bashing so much against startups & companies under this video? It's a bit sad
And that's how you lose your chance to be an unique and independent personality. You will never be recognised for your work again and everything you work on will go to the credits of a nicely paying company.
I feel identified with you. I had an interview that they sent me to carry out a project, the application works well and passed the tests, I never had a feedback and they didn't say thank you, that experience taught me not to carry out more projects for startups or any small business anymore. joma you are awesome guy, thank you for sharing your experience
You just worked for them, for free.
Would you say this only applies to small businesses and start ups? Are carry out projects more reliable when you do it for big companies?
@@xaznranmarux "Are carry out projects more reliable when you do it for big companies?" in my experience, yes
@@khai96x I saw that they had the same number of employees on linkedin when they did the process and then, I think they didn't hire anyone or not
yeah, never do work like this for an interview . just shows whoever you are going to work for doesn't know what they're doing if they think this is a good way to hire people
Scale AI didn't even interview me and straight up sent me a rejection email after I applied lol.
Joma: Prefers MEN stack instead of MEAN
The Question: Are you gay?
why are you gue?
Joma: *Agrees in silence* I'm single... *not answering the question*
@@rodrickee the pasta is watching
Yes, he is.
"Are you gay?"
Joma: *clicks broken* I'm single..
BRUH 😂
Scale is going to have to pivot soon given that their entire business model is based on providing data sets for training models. A study out of Waterloo about LO-shot learning is gonna change the game.
Wow! So sorry about that. It's good to know with this kind of stuff. Bless your heart.
Damn that is the ultimate insult you can receive as a developer!
Well gentleman , Alexandr Wang is worth 1 billion now.
I find it rude when a potential employer does not give the result of the interview and you have to guess from the silence. It would take them a minute to just write a short email saying the application was not successful. Even more so after you spent some time on their assignment.
I always laughed when interviewer gave me some task to do at home ;) These times the recuritment tasks requires many hours to resolve due to their complexity. No one pays you for your time plus even if done correctly, you do not have quarantee to get hired. I got situation once when the company gave me feedback "the solution does not satisfy us". When I tried to get more detailed explanation they simply cut off the entire communcation ^^. I consulted that task with a few friends including senior software engineers and each of them said that task definately had been done correctly. Neverthless tasks do not show the value of candidate.
As someone who's part of the other side of the interview process, I've read dozens of homework assignments that took anywhere from 2h to 2-3 days. The thing is that my company does the real interview only after the home assignment is reviewed, which is super weird. I protested many times to this approach, because it asks candidates for a lot of their time, when it's not yet clear that they'd be even a close fit to the role. I've reviewed pretty shit code that seems to have been written by someone who did literally their 2nd project ever, and we require someone who can program robots from scratch.
But all my protests fell on deaf ears, and I got snarky attitudes like "if the candidate is serious about joining, they'll spend that time, it's a filter". I'm like WTF do you think you are? There are a myriad of companies out there. This entitlement is killing me.
Anyway, I'm lining up for a few offers elsewhere, so I'll probably quit within the next few days. It has been quite a toxic experience, and a good learning experience - learning what things are actually red flags to watch out for next time.
@@napillnik
Good luck! 👌
@@napillnik I hope you found better place now Donnie. As a job-seeker, it is very frustrating too have to complete test left alone test that only had 24 hours to complete or second test "just to make sure" from the bigger boss. And I'm stuck in that situation now. But knowing that some recruiter do care like you, make me feel better!
Yeah, they should pay for the interview time. Especially when the amount of work required for the interview takes that's long.
I think what they wanted was to you build an object detection model using OpenCV or YOLO, which automatically draws boxes around cows or anything else in picture.
Sounds like they wanted him to work for them for free.
True i hate it
Reminds me of an interview I had with a company that was in downtown San Francisco. They said we are working with the public, and they are not out there for profit first. Basically trying to justify paying their employees less (I saw the starting salary..about 30% than others were giving for a similar starting position). So they don't want to give competitive salaries, but they want their building to be in San Francisco, and their employees to live in the bay area. Talk about disaster; they probably have to rehire all the time because I'm sure people aren't staying with them for very long.
5 mins in and at this point i don't even know if this video is a funny skit or he's actually sharing his experience 💀
Can't stop laughing at - "I matched with her in Tinder a year ago" :D
that sounds like one of the classic question out of 'cracking the code interview' book. Don't remember it exactly how to do it, probably need something like a min-heap and a max-heap. It has been quite a while since I had to practice any interview questions. Feeling pretty rusty
That's exactly how you do it, did it for my algorithm class two years ago.
Startups are good to invest in, but not good to work in.
who’s here after this CEO became a billionaire
Your web app looks smart and I love it!!
We did too!
@@guoforit Then why did you ghost him? Still no explanation... So lame
The fact you were able to build that is ridiculous enough... They should've made an offer... Yet I'm completely unsurprised as an ex-IT worker myself.
Guy woke up and chose comedy. Loving it.
His now a billionaire 💀
Nice video, I enjoyed and got fun with your video. I hope you have found at the time a better option
The CEO is the youngest billionaire now at 25
So basically the whole business revolves around hiring a bunch of contractors (don't have to pay them benefits and can treat like crap) to label data. Why the hell would anybody want to work for a company like that?
"Even his name looks like a startup" LOL
How many lines of code was that project of yours? I’m not a frontend guy myself so it looked fairly advanced, seemed significant for a take-home interview assignment
I like how he had to censor his history when he typed W :P
out sourcing bitch work 😂😂 had me rolling ....
I got ghosted for a Maintenance Engineer's position. Doesn't matter though, I landed a job as an Electrical Engineer somewhere else.
this is the best twist ever. "just kidding he was 19 when he rejected me" :D
what are the chances that these companies ask you to do these things then just steal your ideas... is there a way to get around this awful process?
This guy is on a different level holy.
No worries there are millions of companies..
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, you're awesome! I was coding something when i found your YTchannel. You got a new sub! Cheers from México :D
"Even his name looks like a startup" 😂😂
All i see is "Kimi No Nawa" as wallpaper!
"Bitch work" LLMMAAAOOO
Come on, I thought this was gonna be an interview with the 22-year old CEO
Alex has become the youngest self made billionaire lol
So what?
Joma your humour is on point LMAO (But on that note, omg I didn't know you went to Waterloo!)
These two guys, lucy and wang, started learning coding at really small age. 0_0 Lucy lived in Silicon Valley and learned to code in second grade
Noice
No wonder they are good at it
it's my first time to see this photo of BP,, you'r updated so well HAHAHAHA
Yup now most companies ask for you to do a project, get your money idea, go with it and don’t pay you plus end up ghosting you.
5:35 that's why, he couldn't find Waldo. I think finding Waldo is essential programmer skill
This is the first title and thumbnail which made me crack even before watching the video.. lol
He's a billionaire now lol
It's easier to start a company when you have the funds to back it up.
"Even his name sounds like startup" OMG, i can't 😂 i had to pause the video. Oh Christ.
joma's tinder message 😂
Joma is funny as hell!
Jobs before relationship very ncc
dude you're everywhere lol
elliot alderson?
Very smooth message
“I’ll try to remember something I learned from one of Joma’s videos during the final”
My mind during the final:
“Baby cow, Baby cow, Baby cow, Mama cow”
hahahaahhaha
Same to you😂
Huh?
😂 😂
"My Bias"
We are delighted to see our cheat sheet included in your preparation strategy.
Aye intellipaat!
U r here too 😅...
Big fan of you!😎
what is the timestamp?
"Even his name sounds like a startup." 😂
it's actually a famous fashion brand haha
alexandr wang ... sounds like a fancy fashion brand
Made me choke ngl
@@lubeckable funny thing is.... Alexander Wang the fashion designer is also from San Francisco
That's the top comment of the bloomberg video from five months ago, joma stole it
Guys I’m not salty, I’m sweet :3
But for real, I think this company is super promising. Most FANG company have their own in-house system for hiring labelers, and I know that it’s extremely valuable for any ML team. Getting trusted, reliable and cost effective labeled data is not easy for smaller companies. I actually feel honored that I even got to interview for them in the super early stages.
did techlead applied for it too?
Is this video another attempt... 😉
I like your McDonald's hat, seems like you've made it pretty far. Also, can I have one Big Mac and a large coke?
Sweat
so wait? so what's the real china? america or china? so chinese american writes software? and chinese chinese writes software? whose the real chinese? LOLs.
Applied for a job at UPS a while back and at least they were kind enough to reject me with an email. Small companies, It’s not hard to email 5 words to candidates
“The position has been filled”
NEVER EVER send code of the interview project to a potential employer, unless it's snippets of code u done before... Some companies actually take your code and ghost u, if they are that interested in seeing your solution ask for a zoom call and u can demonstrate it, if they get bitchy about it, u ghost them and watch how quickly they wanna get back to u as u probably can do the code
So in a nutshell they're kinda like Thomas Edison?
It happened with me i shared my code later they kick me out and paid nthg
Will keep in mind! Thank you.
Completely illegal btw though they usually get away with it since sueing over it is rarely worth it.
Good advice.
Honestly in shock you still have... everything.
shocking 😱
Joma prefers MEN
MEN Stack, I mean
Hey Jona, you don't need Lucy Guo. You got us. :)
Lmao Scale AI is useless this is common thing in China, data farms.
It is pretty lame how companies can make you do free work for them, make you sit through a cringy interview answering their stupid brainteasers, and then ghost you.
Exactly.
Only because people are willing to go through it. We are our own worst enemy in pretty much every context or setting.
If a company asks you to make a project for them before you are hired, I would tell them to fuck off!
They should either ask you to write code for a generic problem or ask you to read through code and describe what the code does.
Damn, it was what happened to Joma.
It has never happened to me but It must suck
SoKool lo
The ghosting by employers... It really shows a lack of maturity. Seems pretty rampant in the industry, also.
Companies don't have to go into specifics and incur liability, but getting back to candidates in a timely manner should happen every time.
Ghosting is a dimension of sociopathy. Be happy they do not want you. It would get worse after hiring.
@@silentgrove7670 Yes , he better not lose his time with people who can't even respond to a message because they did not want to hire you .
Companies don't really care about you even after they hire you, can't expect they do before 🤷🏼♀️
Don't employers always ghost.
The industry is having its time. Eventually human EQ will have to be used as they become obsolete and has beens.
Leaving him without the respond was disrespectful. This shows how the company treats people, makes me sick of them. It`s not all about money, afterall don`t forget the courtesy.
Companies are looking to hire stacks of employees. Yes, they could respond on every one of them, and that is often proven to do more harm than good. People often start asking questions "Why wasn't I hired" and demand the company to hire them or even sue them because they think they didnt hire them for other unfair reasons. By just ghosting them, its just less effort from every side. Dont look it from just one perspective. A company is made out of humans too and they too have their concerns and they also like to look nice, but sometimes being nice is just not worth the shit you'll eat.
apostolis anastasiou hope you are not Alexandr lol
@@longphan9194yeuem hehe. Nah I've been ghosted from a dozens of companies too :P Its frustrating, but nothing is perfect. Everything comes with a cost.
@@exapsy My main studies are psychology. And I once read a book writen by a couple of US doctors, The book was titlted Snakes in Suits : When Psychopaths go to work. Its a book about corporate mentality. Nowadays that is called sociopathy by researchers and ghosting is a prevalent method/tactic they used by sociopaths with the rise of internet communications and social media. I am not in the mood for details but you guys are better off not working for people like these.
@@hungrygrimalkin5610 I can agree. But since you're studying psychology you must also know that sociopathy is not something all people dont have. We all have it at times, we all behave sociopathically especially at people we dont know.
Best example is TV Shows that show non-actors and people start wishing their death without them even trying to empathize with them and see how they feel. Another example is politicians or rich people. We never try to empathize with rich people or with politicians, and we always wish the worst for them. Or the worst to people we hate. This is by definition sociopathic behavior. It's not something new, its not a mental disorder that only "dangerous people" have. We're all dangerous in our own ways. Just saying "they're sociopathic stay away from them" is a dangerous unprofessional way to behave as a student in psychology who'll sometime become a professional. It's not a logical argument, it's an emotional one.
"As a startup, we look for someone who can wear many hats."
Ah yeah so that means we are cheap and lazy, you have to do everything but we won't pay you more money for it.
dang
You’d get pretty good equity and stock options though, and they pay above market for Bay Area tech I believe
Lol no, it means there is limited budget and the first few employees are going to need to cover multiple roles.
Your comment applies to larger companies using that statement, in start ups it’s a very real situation
@@sbdxaric most startup fail so you get equity and stock options on something that doesn't have value... it's like playing poker. In the Bay Area they pay above market because a room rents for 2k a month...
Yeah but it also means your job isn't gay and boring
My takeaway from this video:
Baby cow
Baby cow
Baby cow
Mama cow
There are no baby cows, those r calves
Nani
@@nisonatic I was going to type it
i honestly love the way he says "Cow" XDDD
lmao
It definitely seems like they were fishing for free sample implementations of their basic framework to see different technical directions it could go. Cool approach, but you should be paying people to do that. Asking people to do it for free leads me to to believe you might treat future ethical matters with a total lack of ethics. This is a red flag especially in a machine learning company outsourcing labor, lots of ethical areas where you can violate privacy and take advantage of workers. The founders have shown questionable ethics from the start, so I certainly won't be choosing their service now.
Well. a lot of companies organize so called hackathons... :/
@@h3xandcoffee993 Yep, ABC, Always Be Cynical
geez man take a chill pill
@@gcg8187 no.
unfortunately, a lot of people does choose them, now he's a billionaire🥲😮💨
you probably just solved their problem and end up not needing you for their own benefits lol
Well he was also interviewed so
Yep, just use people for free labor.
@@triton62674 lol so what call you in for an interview doesn't mean 100% hire rate
Yup that tend to happen
Just kidding. He was 19 when he interviewed me 😂😂
Lol
They probably wanted to set you as an unpaid intern... usually when someone presents two options and one is clearly the unfavorable one that is the option they wanted you to take.
ughghhhhh
What about that hard leetcode question though? That is seriously a wtf.. a tiny start-up asking hard leetcode questions together with a take home project is a no gone zone for me
@@theenigma1109 Can I ask what is so hard about that leetcode question? Because to me it seems like a pretty simple exercise. It's one thing to be asked to implement it in the most efficient manner, but that was just asking to implement it.
@@KingGorrinoIt felt ridiculous bc they need a software engineer, and he literally just implemented part of the software for them, if that doesn't pass the qualification, then it felt like a setup where they don't want to pay you for the full price, and just have you do part of the job for free.
Joma you were solicited for work,it wasn’t a test,this happens a lot,the point of tests is to asses someone’s ability,the reason they said in the beginning not to share with anyone is so that they don’t get caught publicly with this.Dont beat up yourself over it.It was messed up of them.
"As a startup, we look for someone who can wear many hats."
Very poor choice of words in a community that deals with coding and programming. Do you mean you want to hire someone who can wear White, Grey, and Black hats and switch said hats when it's convenient?
Someone who can code, cook, clean the dishes, do some 3-D design, SFX editor, able to repair the clogged toilet, drive the CEO's kids back to home and clean his feet
@@stabberandomcontent6691
I know you're joking, but I wonder how many unfortunate bastards actually have to do all that stuff.
Yes... suspicious
@@stabberandomcontent6691 you forget coffee...
a green hat obviously c;(search the meaning!)
"Are you gay ?lmao"
Joma:"Im single"
"They wanted me to use the MEAN stack, but I ended up using the MEN stack instead 😂
Damn this should be your new series. Rejections from start-ups that made it. :)
His name is probably spelled like that because his parents thought: "AlexanDoctor"
lmfao
ssh -i ~/keys-to-her-heart.pem
THIS IS IT BOYSSSS
Lucy Guo: "Great work on the take home."
Also Lucy Guo: "your code looks more intern than full-time worthy"
*Ouch
Well, I've got a dozen of insincere answers from companies I've applied when I was younger and only some have actually answered sincerely in a follow-up when I specifically asked for more feedback. Those kind of answers may hurt but they are worth a lot.
wrgg, nos uch thing as ouch or judge or intern or worth or etc, cepuxuax, outx any nmw s perfx
The "Are you gay ? " question exists.
Me: I'm straight.
Joma: I'm single.
Why is this even a question? So stupid.
"Even his name looks like a start up" lol
"what's popping guys?! This is day in a life of a startup employee. And there is me coding,
heheheheh"
bro that was so funny hahahahahahahhahahahaa u got the whole squad laughing omg
Cmon, go ALL IN on Porndora, it's a guaranteed multi BILLION DOLLAR startup.
www.indiegogo.com/projects/porndora-the-pandora-of-porn#/
true breh.
I was expecting that at the end you found out that they used your solution for this coding challenge in their production :)
She probably did.
I've done more than 200 job interviews. I've held more than 500 job interviews. Cool engineer or not, 19 year olds rarely know shit about shit. On the strength of what I have seen you complete here in terms of coding know-how, sense of humour, creativity, work ethic and digital marketing success, I would offer you a job without an interview if I had a suitable position. Furthermore, all over the world, HR tends to be irrational low IQ resource wasting shit, its just that nobody appears to have noticed yet.
I totally agree with you. Sometimes I think after the initial screening steps candidate selection is almost random.
That 19 year old is pretty damn impressive tho. He's 25 now and his company worth 7 billion.
@@buingocthientan7479 so? It doesn't mean that he is good at HR, or that he is polite, or that every singe decision is a good one. Wealth is one measure. He is filthy rich? Great. Congrats. He is a genius at AI and that is an area which is extremely valuable. My statement that "19 year olds rarely know shit about shit" is a harsh but reasonable statement. The entire IT approach to recruitment is amateurish, inconsistent, and ironically considering the industry, largely illogical. Hard work and intelligence are essential but there is still all of the erratic factors such as location, time, connections, and random other factors. You can understand this even better than me. From your name you have a Viet heritage? My experience of Vietnamese students is that they are among the hardest working, and most brilliant I have ever met.
And to think that some HR LinkedIn think that their job is really important.
If I can mention the most useless dept I would definitely said HR.
@@aika7974 I could argue and good HR manager can bring home great success. If they focused on leveling up the skills of the team, on helping everyone become more efficient, less toxic and more accountable without the blame game. HR can do great.
as of today, this start up is valued almost $14B
How are you single and still got the "keys-to-her-heart"? You better get over it my dude.
Now this is the content for which I subscribed. You are a fantastic software engineer. This episode truly has the charm to bring your views closer to you. Keep up the good work, Joma!
Dude this video is epic! I was laughing my ass off! I have a friend that worked at scale so this hits close to home.
@@yguc9342 cause he made funny jokes throughout.
wrrr
I bet they didn't thought it would be a story on youtube with 2 million + views.
Must be really proud of themselves, able to snatch a free code on top of a hundreds of million funding, Thanks for the share Joma, now we know.
You can now charge the company some market Ad fee😂 I haven’t heard of the company
5:27 Legend says waldo hasn't been found yet
who else here from "ua-cam.com/video/FgzyLoSkL5k/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Forbes"
Joma was desperate for job at the time lol. She sent him an email at 11:00, Joma replied at 11:01.
I dont think so...Joma looks like an exciteable type of guy ...an A type personality ....a lets get it done now type of guy...he comes across like a guy who will respond your emails and messages....like he got the ettiqute protocol on point ....big ups to him...
"just kidding, he was 19" HAHAHAHAH
How is that two 19-year-olds interview you for their non-working startup at the time? Did they have investors an MVP? or what? Could you please tell us how this works, that should be interesting. Thank you
Access to capital
They probably already decided to ghost you when you said you were looking for a full-time position, When they say cringey shit like "Someone who can wear many hats" what they really mean is "We are looking for young talent who we can underpay and exploit" or in a single word "intern".
"It was a great interview. Very nice. We will call you latter"
It passed 30 years from that day...
Just recently read an article of companies getting annoyed that applicants they hired don't even show up on the first day of work. A company quoted "They ghosted us for a better opportunity." Karma is sweet.
Isn't the answer to the question to use a min heap and max heap combination with the streaming median being the heap with +1 node or average them both if they're both the same size?
Sounds right to me. You got it
They literally made him create an entire product which they then used to build their company. This is appalling.
Damnn.. Alexandr Wang just become a 25 yr old billionaire
Update : this guys is the youngest billionaire now
What i did understand from this video is: "Baby cow, baby cow, baby cow and then mama cow" at 4:26