I just realise that the vorlon here was angry at Sheridan because he accidentally stumble upon the truth and didn't realise it, yes Sheridan you are just toys for the shadows and vorlon to fight over.
Kosh (Vorlon for something like shepard/guide) was always at odds with the other elder Vorlons due to his affection for the younger races. The other Vorlon's believed he was too attached to them and didn't always think clearly where they were concerned. The Vorlon that replaced Kosh on B5 was much younger, and saw the younger races as nothing but inferior primitive life forms to be used/abused in whatever way the Vorlon's wanted. So called good Kosh was very very old; possibly a million years or more. "Good" Kosh ultimately sacrificed himself believing it just might break the hold on the younger races the Shadows and Vorlon's had. He was ultimately correct; but his death by the Shadows was horrendously painful for him. The way the author describes it in the Techno Mage book is quite heart wrenching if your a Kosh fan.
This is just one of those unexplored areas of Babylon 5 that tantalized the viewer, promising an unknown depth of background. Kept making you want more of the story in order to fill in all those unresolved pieces. Thanks! 👍
Both the Shadow and Vorlon ships were quite beautiful and terrifying. Obviously especially the Shadow's. They have to be the most fantastic ship designs in all of Science Fiction. This also shows how very similar both of these competing old race's were in technology. Whatever the new series will be if it ever happens, this original series would still be perfect with a full update to 2022 HD special effects.
The Vorlon's viewed the Shadow ships as a failed technology; since the Shadow's needed another being to act as a CPU for the ship itself, whereas the Vorlon ships were totally independent and self aware. The techno mage books go into this in detail; great reading if you are a Babylon5 fan.
The Vorlons though younger than the Shadows, were technically more advanced than the Shadows because the Shadows kept going into hibernation between their galactic wars, while the Vorlons kept awake and advancing. What prevented the Vorlons from destroying the Shadows was a lack of numbers. Not many Vorlons and lots of Shadows, kept them in balance.
@@JK-Visions The brilliance of Ardwright Chamberlain's voice work. And to this day neither I nor anyone I know of hass been able to actually find a picture of that man! LOL THe costume itself was worn by another :actor", Jefrey Willerth - ironicall a long-ago ex paramour of Patricia Tallman (Lyta). SO there was one person to "compose" the musical noises of the Vorlon language, another to speak the English words, and a 3rd ot wear that giant-ass costume.
I always wondered if they got the idea for that last line from a book I saw once, but never read. 'The Ship Who Sang'. It was part of a series with titles of a similar type.
IIRR acording to lore, the vorlon ships where technicly alive. Same with the shadow ships. They used organic ships, that where alive. With the shadows, there ships still needed a central mind, wich is why they pluged people into there ships.
Thank you for your kind words. I really like making them. Takes me a day a week ;) But i just want to make them so i do not have to rewatch the whole episode. Just the summary videos. And rewatching them all is magic:)
@@JK-Visions But I'm gonna have to go back and watch the series. There are so many philosophical and magical moments I just seemed to have missed the 1st time around. Your channel reminds me of that. Glad I bought the series. Thanks again.
Once the shadows and vorlons passed beyond the rim , I would've liked to see the vorlon homeworld , because in one episode we see humanity as evolved as the vorlons. Preparing to leave as our sun dies. The guy becomes pure energy. And enters an encounter suit , which looks very vorlon like. ? Were did we get that knowledge, ? Why does our tech look so much like vorlon.
Where did they get the suit? If you look at the math for when the sun will turn into a red giant, this would be millions of years in the future. Keep in mind the Earth was burned and had to recover from a kind of dark age. So mankind over those millions of years would have evolved into an energy being and would have found the need for the encounter suits. Otherwise someone might mistake them for burning bush! 😊
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer there was a compuserve thread back in the day where JMS implies/says that the destruction of Earth in 1mil AD is/was/will not be a “natural event”.
I think in a future conflict jumpoints were opened inside the sun to cause it to prematurely supernova. And new earth is the vorlon homeworld. Been a while since I read the lore.
you can tell me what you want, Paramount has stolen this idea two times, not only for Deep Space Nine, they have also re - use it for Voyager (the bio space ships from Breen and Species 8472), can't remember, any living ships was there before, except the Chigs ships in Space - Above and Beyond
The next generation had Gumtu. Which was probably stolen from Farscape lol. O well eventually all things have been thought of one way or the other. As long as the story is consistent and good I am fine with it.
@@JK-Visions sorry, Farscape I have never seen, I know only, the first bio or alive space ships was in Space - Above and Beyond (can't also remember at any older Sci - fi movie), then here, and - we know the JMS Paramount story - clear on DS9, then Voyager, so it was plagiate
Is it just me or does the Vorlon ship resemble Babylon 4 in its design? Could Babylon 4 (that was sent back in time) have been the inspiration for this type of ship?
@@JK-Visions i expected better, even at the time the cgi wasnt good and looked dated. Star trek next gen 7th season was the year before and blew b5 out of the water. The best that can be said of the b5 cgi was that they were inventive with their designs and the battles were more 3d, compared to next gens hornblower in space sea battles.
Sadly B5 was produced by one of the less popular production houses of the time, there budget was pretty low, and it was expected to fail before the first season made it through its full run. Most of there fx where created using a bunch of amigi video toasters, wich, when they where new was serious shit, SGI level hot shit just about, but, by 95 they where starting to get dated, and the lack of a proper server farm for running rendering ment they had to cut visual quality a little. Something to remember as well, this was filmed before HD broadcast tv, aka, the original show was standard tv definition, seriously, check out how tv resalution has changed over the years. It is also why some of the fx are so jaringly low rez, compaired to the rest. WHen they did the remaster, they went back to the master tapes/film, depending on what they used, wich was in a very diferent format than what was broadcast. Thus your able to get thoes nice high rez live scenes mixed with the low rez cgi scenes, and bits. AKA, the poor graphics are from production issues, and limits of the tech available at the time.
@@probablynotmyname8521 STNG was produced by a movie producer with server farms able to do rendering, not what was basicly a new production facility with a low budget.
I always saw the ships as pets. Alive, self aware just not as advanced in thought as their masters but CLEARLY able to act autonomously and feel things and react to those feelings. This for me put even MORE weight to them entering into active war. To me every ship lost was lost was friend that had a serious bond to one or more Vorlons. It made war and those losses a SERIOUS thing 😕🙁
"The ship... it sang to me." Kinda loses a bit in the short clip from that episode, but when I watched the full episode, this part gave me goosebumps. I hope that if JMS does get the reboot off the ground, at some point we learn a little more of the Vorlons.
Reminds me of the start of Close Encounters, when they find Flight 19 out in the desert and the old man who witnessed the alien ship says the same thing.
The question is was the Vorlon more pissed that Sheridan ask if they were toys (the truth is they were just toys) or what do you want from us? I suspect it the first myself.
I had the bad habit of fucking around with people by talking cryptic stuff when l watched episodes with Kosh. Didn't have the same impact and gravitas though, just came out as even weirder....
Who owns the rights to Babylon 5? Why haven't we got a prequel to the original shadow wars? I mean in the current climate where people are crying out for a good space opera, and having to go to the Orville or lower decks to get decent plots, surely someone must remember this???
@@JK-Visions I just remembered a line from the show, it means more now I am old enough to understand it. "My shoes are to tight, but it doesn't matter because I have forgotten how to dance" Such a silly thing,..
Honestly after Legend of the Rangers JMS should forever quit while he's ahead. The fact that he's getting a new series because the studio likes the original intellectual property and is only using it to wipe out the original continuity demonstrates that overwhelmingly. It would be like if TNG was remake of TOS it's bad business at a minimum to eliminate the original property.
@@JK-Visions As far as I understand, no one wants to finance it. we live in such an ugly world, many really good TV series were closed, simply because people are more interested in watching someone kick a ball in a stadium
This is really painful to watch, if someone remastered the entire series and released it in normal resolution, I would watch it in its entirety two more times.
I just realise that the vorlon here was angry at Sheridan because he accidentally stumble upon the truth and didn't realise it, yes Sheridan you are just toys for the shadows and vorlon to fight over.
Yep!
He was angry because he asked the shadow question
You're wrong. Kosh was a good Vorlon, and genuinely wantes to help the humans. He was fine with giving his life up if Sheridan went to Z'Ha'Dum
Kosh (Vorlon for something like shepard/guide) was always at odds with the other elder Vorlons due to his affection for the younger races. The other Vorlon's believed he was too attached to them and didn't always think clearly where they were concerned. The Vorlon that replaced Kosh on B5 was much younger, and saw the younger races as nothing but inferior primitive life forms to be used/abused in whatever way the Vorlon's wanted. So called good Kosh was very very old; possibly a million years or more. "Good" Kosh ultimately sacrificed himself believing it just might break the hold on the younger races the Shadows and Vorlon's had. He was ultimately correct; but his death by the Shadows was horrendously painful for him. The way the author describes it in the Techno Mage book is quite heart wrenching if your a Kosh fan.
I think it's because he asked the trademark question of the Shadows.
This is just one of those unexplored areas of Babylon 5 that tantalized the viewer, promising an unknown depth of background. Kept making you want more of the story in order to fill in all those unresolved pieces. Thanks! 👍
Both the Shadow and Vorlon ships were quite beautiful and terrifying. Obviously especially the Shadow's.
They have to be the most fantastic ship designs in all of Science Fiction.
This also shows how very similar both of these competing old race's were in technology.
Whatever the new series will be if it ever happens, this original series would still be perfect with a full update to 2022 HD special effects.
The Vorlon's viewed the Shadow ships as a failed technology; since the Shadow's needed another being to act as a CPU for the ship itself, whereas the Vorlon ships were totally independent and self aware. The techno mage books go into this in detail; great reading if you are a Babylon5 fan.
The Vorlons though younger than the Shadows, were technically more advanced than the Shadows because the Shadows kept going into hibernation between their galactic wars, while the Vorlons kept awake and advancing. What prevented the Vorlons from destroying the Shadows was a lack of numbers. Not many Vorlons and lots of Shadows, kept them in balance.
"...to fight legends."
all these years later and i still get goosebumps
Me too. And with some videos of Mr morden coming up they will continue:)
@@JK-Visions The brilliance of Ardwright Chamberlain's voice work. And to this day neither I nor anyone I know of hass been able to actually find a picture of that man! LOL THe costume itself was worn by another :actor", Jefrey Willerth - ironicall a long-ago ex paramour of Patricia Tallman (Lyta). SO there was one person to "compose" the musical noises of the Vorlon language, another to speak the English words, and a 3rd ot wear that giant-ass costume.
"What do you want?"
Vorlons: How dare you! You can be executed for asking us that!
Shadows: **laughs in the distance**
it makes no sense but it's still one of the coolest designs
Loved this show. And Kosh really inspired awe back when i was younger
4:00 I've heard the line a dozen times before, and I even knew it was coming. Didn't stop it from giving me goosebumps!
Me too!
I always wondered if they got the idea for that last line from a book I saw once, but never read. 'The Ship Who Sang'. It was part of a series with titles of a similar type.
JMS is on twitter. You could ask him.
That was a cyborg ship though, a human mind encapsulated in a ship. Written by Anne McCaffery.
IIRR acording to lore, the vorlon ships where technicly alive. Same with the shadow ships. They used organic ships, that where alive. With the shadows, there ships still needed a central mind, wich is why they pluged people into there ships.
LOVE THESE SNIPETS. THANKS SO MUCH!!
Thank you for your kind words. I really like making them. Takes me a day a week ;) But i just want to make them so i do not have to rewatch the whole episode. Just the summary videos.
And rewatching them all is magic:)
@@JK-Visions But I'm gonna have to go back and watch the series. There are so many philosophical and magical moments I just seemed to have missed the 1st time around. Your channel reminds me of that. Glad I bought the series. Thanks again.
God I miss is show!
the ship may have saved the captain's skin, it can be touched just as deadly as a ship of shadows
Once the shadows and vorlons passed beyond the rim , I would've liked to see the vorlon homeworld , because in one episode we see humanity as evolved as the vorlons. Preparing to leave as our sun dies. The guy becomes pure energy. And enters an encounter suit , which looks very vorlon like. ? Were did we get that knowledge, ? Why does our tech look so much like vorlon.
Where did they get the suit? If you look at the math for when the sun will turn into a red giant, this would be millions of years in the future. Keep in mind the Earth was burned and had to recover from a kind of dark age. So mankind over those millions of years would have evolved into an energy being and would have found the need for the encounter suits. Otherwise someone might mistake them for burning bush! 😊
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer there was a compuserve thread back in the day where JMS implies/says that the destruction of Earth in 1mil AD is/was/will not be a “natural event”.
I think in a future conflict jumpoints were opened inside the sun to cause it to prematurely supernova. And new earth is the vorlon homeworld. Been a while since I read the lore.
Sheridan wanted understanding, but as we know understanding is a three edged sword according to the Vorlon.
Like a coin has 3 sides.
You should listen to the song and not the music.
@@JK-Visions heads, tails and the outor edge
Best TV series ever! 🚀
you can tell me what you want, Paramount has stolen this idea two times, not only for Deep Space Nine, they have also re - use it for Voyager (the bio space ships from Breen and Species 8472), can't remember, any living ships was there before, except the Chigs ships in Space - Above and Beyond
The next generation had Gumtu. Which was probably stolen from Farscape lol. O well eventually all things have been thought of one way or the other. As long as the story is consistent and good I am fine with it.
@@JK-Visions sorry, Farscape I have never seen, I know only, the first bio or alive space ships was in Space - Above and Beyond (can't also remember at any older Sci - fi movie), then here, and - we know the JMS Paramount story - clear on DS9, then Voyager, so it was plagiate
If you asked kosh i suspect he would reply with
YESSSS
Nooooo:,p haha
This is a question? It's stated in the show that it is.
Yep. But i had to think of a catchy title...if only written correctly:p
Is it just me or does the Vorlon ship resemble Babylon 4 in its design? Could Babylon 4 (that was sent back in time) have been the inspiration for this type of ship?
I think it might though I don't think they mentioned it in the books(I might have missed it though).
Probably the same artist.
Maybe or it could be a organic composition with a AI controlling it...
Maybe but where can you find such a program.
No need to watch the video. Yes it is.
The CGI is so bad, lol i mean I remember the 90s but...
Yeah but still it's great to see how far we are nowadays.
Those graphics are not beautiful…
It's from 1995 so what do you expect.
@@JK-Visions i expected better, even at the time the cgi wasnt good and looked dated. Star trek next gen 7th season was the year before and blew b5 out of the water. The best that can be said of the b5 cgi was that they were inventive with their designs and the battles were more 3d, compared to next gens hornblower in space sea battles.
Sadly B5 was produced by one of the less popular production houses of the time, there budget was pretty low, and it was expected to fail before the first season made it through its full run. Most of there fx where created using a bunch of amigi video toasters, wich, when they where new was serious shit, SGI level hot shit just about, but, by 95 they where starting to get dated, and the lack of a proper server farm for running rendering ment they had to cut visual quality a little. Something to remember as well, this was filmed before HD broadcast tv, aka, the original show was standard tv definition, seriously, check out how tv resalution has changed over the years. It is also why some of the fx are so jaringly low rez, compaired to the rest. WHen they did the remaster, they went back to the master tapes/film, depending on what they used, wich was in a very diferent format than what was broadcast. Thus your able to get thoes nice high rez live scenes mixed with the low rez cgi scenes, and bits.
AKA, the poor graphics are from production issues, and limits of the tech available at the time.
@@probablynotmyname8521 STNG was produced by a movie producer with server farms able to do rendering, not what was basicly a new production facility with a low budget.
@@probablynotmyname8521 Star Trek used models not cgi
Until Kosh died, I was certain the ship was the Vorlon and the suit walking about was just remote controlled.
Nope. 👽
Thats an interesting take on it, never looked at it that way.
I always saw the ships as pets. Alive, self aware just not as advanced in thought as their masters but CLEARLY able to act autonomously and feel things and react to those feelings.
This for me put even MORE weight to them entering into active war. To me every ship lost was lost was friend that had a serious bond to one or more Vorlons. It made war and those losses a SERIOUS thing 😕🙁
@@troyskeete8372 it’s not far from what i thought: they’re like horses and attack dogs, bred for fighting and travel
"The ship... it sang to me." Kinda loses a bit in the short clip from that episode, but when I watched the full episode, this part gave me goosebumps. I hope that if JMS does get the reboot off the ground, at some point we learn a little more of the Vorlons.
Yes i know, it's always better to watch the whole episode. Hope this videos help on choosing which ones;)
Reminds me of the start of Close Encounters, when they find Flight 19 out in the desert and the old man who witnessed the alien ship says the same thing.
The Vorlon ships always sang. They sang of the beauty of the spheres, and the joy of perfect obedience.
Another one of the classic Sci fi shows that ended too soon.
Fortunately they did get the story out. But i guess the sequel ended too soon.
@@JK-Visions Would love to see a reboot with today's cgi-tech.
When someone understands this show- nothing Kosh says is cryptic like it was on the first viewing.
The question is was the Vorlon more pissed that Sheridan ask if they were toys (the truth is they were just toys) or what do you want from us? I suspect it the first myself.
The second, because "What do you want" is the question the shadows ask to reel you in.
Yeah that really was a great line.
Whoever 'remastered' this thing did an awful job. It looks far worse than the original.
Don't buy the blue rays then. It's the same quality.
I had the bad habit of fucking around with people by talking cryptic stuff when l watched episodes with Kosh.
Didn't have the same impact and gravitas though, just came out as even weirder....
Lol that must have been fun.
Who owns the rights to Babylon 5? Why haven't we got a prequel to the original shadow wars?
I mean in the current climate where people are crying out for a good space opera, and having to go to the Orville or lower decks to get decent plots, surely someone must remember this???
Warner Brothers own the right. We hope in the future it goes to HBO max. Not cw they didn't make much quality series yet.
@@JK-Visions I just remembered a line from the show, it means more now I am old enough to understand it.
"My shoes are to tight, but it doesn't matter because I have forgotten how to dance"
Such a silly thing,..
Honestly after Legend of the Rangers JMS should forever quit while he's ahead. The fact that he's getting a new series because the studio likes the original intellectual property and is only using it to wipe out the original continuity demonstrates that overwhelmingly. It would be like if TNG was remake of TOS it's bad business at a minimum to eliminate the original property.
@@JK-Visions As far as I understand, no one wants to finance it.
we live in such an ugly world, many really good TV series were closed, simply because people are more interested in watching someone kick a ball in a stadium
This is really painful to watch, if someone remastered the entire series and released it in normal resolution, I would watch it in its entirety two more times.
Alife?
Lol yeah. It was a typo but I wondered when someone would notice;) Your the first! Congratulations and thank you for the reply. Have a great day.
From watching the show and movies I am going to say yes.
Yep;)