If my voice sounds a bit odd, that's because I was a bit sick during recording. Oh well. Additionally, let me save hours of furious AnCap typing and response video editing with the following addendum: Rational self-interest is strictly a "first person limited" thing, i.e. the person decides what is rational based on their own reasoning, perspective and life situation. What might seem a completely bonkers act to outside observers might make perfect sense to the actor. In other words, "rational self-interest" is determined internally by the actor, and not externally by a theoretical "rational observer". However, outside observers can still extrapolate what the actor will do based on their circumstance and past actions.
Without ever ofc, discussing why socialism is better or defining it, not that i am capitalist but i bet u think that racism = liberal and that socialism -/ racism XD
@@Andy-hi2nm i have an interest in debating a couple of things and ile mainly ask questions (cus im sure most of you dont even understand anything about economy) First point would be: do u think, IF market is privately owned, it is capitalist, and if market is publicly owned it is socialist period. Second point is do u think racism/wokeness whatever u want to call it has anything to do with fucking economy or being left or right? and do u think racists can be socialist Third main point is, if a country is truly socialist by definition (equal pay in exchange for ABILITIES and WORK) then how would immigration from the 3rd world actually work in such a state Final point is if i told u lower africas average IQ was 82 and many countries have close to dull levels of intellect and education, (many are at 70 iq) would u say its racist
@@xyria3230 well, for once my point is that this video and the discussion surrounding is not about wether socialism works or not, neither it is about how or if race relations factor in capitalism and liberal ideology. So it's barely a step above bait to take those strawman points up since the discussion's not about either of those things Edit: like yeah ofc he wouldnt bring up socialism or how racism factors in this simulation because it's not on the scope of the video. That's just how most quality academic content has worked for centuries now
I was hoping you would get to Billy-Bob dying and his kids fight over company ownership in a civil war, like some kind of succession war. That seems interesting.
My guess is that the nobility would start an internal power struggle unless there is a clearly defined and respected heir either probability of civil war is high
Let's get them to do that as a part two... "AnCapistan 2: Till Kingdom Come" where the civil war breaks out between his children and the fighting impoverishes much of the middle class inside the wall. From this a popular leader from among the people arises and the final living Billy-Bob child assumes the thrown. Then a third to round out the trilogy... where the Blackwater solders are told to fire on women and children approach Billy-Bob's inner wall demanding bread. The security forces fracture under conflicting amoral orders. A commune is formed by the outside farm workers, revolting solders, and now impoverished former middle class from inside the walls. Call it: "AnCapistan 3: Long Live the Commune."
I feel that there are so many variables in that scenario that it would take long to explore, introduce speculations instead of logic chain and alienate from the topic. I would love to see that nonetheless.
1. Chaos causes insecurity 2. Band together to increase your chances 3. Grow past manageable size 4. Elect a leader to better manage 5. You have a fucking government
Pretty much ... with almost certainly some mass murder or genocides between 3 & 4 , 4 & 5 and certainly after 5 also repeat 1 between 3 & 4 and so .... well it’s a completely stupid idea is what I’m getting at .
And remember Billy Bob is relatively OK as far as self-made feudal lords go. No murder sprees, no executions, no demands to worship him as the God's appointee. Many in his place wouldn't be so nice.
Yeah, but it's not impossible for a person not to become tyrannical. However, since he was basically a king, his children would probably inherit the power, and the more hungry for power would probably win out over the more benevolent brothers, which basically means tyranny would be inevitable in a system like that.
Nobody in his place would be so nice, not even I, not even you, we all know it, that's the human condition (and I don't mean this in a bad way, we would be really boring animals if it weren't for our violence and desire to dominate over stuff). The thing is that this video assumes the absolute best case scenario even if unrealistic in order to make a stronger case.
@@marcossidoruk8033 Nah, it wouldn't be boring. We wouldn't have to worry about war or bandits so we would just chill and play in rivers and do sports when we're not farming/working
@@marcossidoruk8033 I think "nice tyrants" like Billy Bob are possible, for a while. The issue is that Jimmy John in the next town over might not have the same scruples, and will have no problems with some mild genocide to remove Billy Bob's ruling class, and elevate some new loyalists from those disenfranchised people outside the wall. That's how you go from fiefdom to kingdom.
@@kakerei And be extinct, Dodos died because they didn't know what is a predador, nor how to properly react to it, evem herbivores are in some point aggressive.
Ancapistan has been tried, in the American "Old West", where the federal government couldn't really reach with any high degree of force. So what was it like? Unsurprisingly, corporations created their own city governments built around whatever resource extraction operation was there, enslaved the population through housing, loans, debt, and private "taxes", and created some of the worst living conditions in all of human history. Thousands upon thousands died in the mines in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no way of escaping, including child slaves. Some people literally went to WAR with the company that owned them, usually unsuccessfully. That is the promise of Ancapistan, or Companytowns as they're more commonly known.
My favorite part is that they created their own company money often called scrips. There was no saving up and leaving. Any money you made was worthless outside that specific company serfdom.
Yea its easy to see that if your view is tainted by confirmation bias. Its not like AnCaps have thought all this through and come up with solutions to all these objections even before critics noticed them.
@@WarriorOfTheLulzi'd be really interested to hear how any such solution would even be implemented in an individualist anarchist world. Seems impossible to me that any rule would be able to be enforced as that is antithetical to ancap thought and it would either become anarcho-communist in the best case of feudal at worst (and most likely).
Reminds me of that sketch in Family Guy: "I don't like taxes, let's abolish the government. Let's instead make an organisation which manages everything and we pay it yearly contributions to keep it running. And every so often we ask the town's population how they want things run."
The difference everyone fails to see is that one is voluntary and the other is forced. If you want to volunteer to have people rule you, I'm fine with that, just don't force me to participate.
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I once asked an ancap if he was okay with the fact that living in such a society could entail fighting for your life on a common basis and will likely involve having to kill someone. His response was "Yeah, and I'd win all the time." Thats all I had to know to figure out that no sane person is an ancap
@@bobbyneaves9551 almost every ancap I have ever met has this same mentality. "Well yea it's dog eat dog but I'll be the one eating." They all think they'll be winners
@@Setixir Sounds like the audience for a zombie movie. THEY will all survive. THEY are much smarter than the cast and would never make such bad mistakes. 😂
@Galil This doesn't make the scenario any less valid, though, since "anarcho"-capitalism also presumes that no one would fight back against capitalism.
@Galil the same time though there are examples of nearly all of these tactics being used in the past or currently. Look at most companies nowadays and you see most of them atleast in part. In the past entire company towns were designed like this, try protesting the guy in charge for his mandate on segregation, religious purity, prohibition and the likes when he pays everyones wage with his own special currency so you cant buy outside of the town with your savings, runs your utilities, supplies your grocery story, owns the police, all housing, is himself the local government and organizes all local community events and regulates work hours. The only reason towns like those collapsed was because of outside help, as well as the brutality against workers becoming so great the government had to step in and break most of these systems up.
this was way too idealistic. The water tower guy would've surely sent thugs to bust Billy Bob's kneecaps before he got too far if he could act with stateless impunity
@@homesteadlegion4419 less failing and more revealing what the actual system would inevitably end up resembling under the *absolute most optimal circumstances* It's only a failure if your goal is to preserve a democracy...which most libertarians and ancaps aren't actually that interested in
@@ethanphilpot7643 well i would still consider it a failure since it would evolve into some kind of feudalism and therefore no longer exist as anarcho-capitalism. At least in my mind
Ancaps: "No system of government factors in the human element!" *advocates for a system that only works when everyone is a logical benevolent, omniscient robot*
Yep! From my personal point of view what I've noticed is that ancaps only pay attention to how the idealistic life would be for the ones on top with little care nor idea on what effects it would have for the people on the bottom, and ancoms only pay attention to what the idealistic life would be like for the ones on the bottom with little care nor idea on what effects the ones at the top (which will form inevitably) will have on them. They should all just get into worldbuilding and roleplay instead.
So for Ancapistan to work we just need a society where: -Every person will have perfect knowledge and expertise to make an informed choice in literally every transaction they make. -Every person harmed will have the knowledge, time, and resources to identify the source of the harm and prove that harm in court. -No company will ever form a monopoly or otherwise rig the market, courts, or political system in their favor despite having every incentive to do so. -Every company will clean up after itself environmentally and pay it's employees the true value of their work, despite having no incentive to do so. Yeah, seems so much easier to achieve than a functioning Republic where the government is accountable to the people and so hires experts to intelligently regulate business to prevent abuse.
@@saturationstation1446 There is no currently working republic, but we must increase the power of the people, educating, complaining and stopping politicians if they go against the ideas of the population. Ancap is the worst solution to anything
@@saturationstation1446 It's like a 100 sided wheel in a world where circle doesn't exist, and people still haven't figure out 101 or more sided wheel yet. Yeah, it might not be as good as the non existent circular wheel but at least it's better than it's 99 or less sided wheel predecessor.
@@anshc838 Riiiight, I am sure you wouldn't enjoy the idea of the government being able to see what websites you visit, what you buy online, what you like to watch, what your personal opinions and tastes are so they can shove advertisements down your throat to make you buy- oh wait, that's exactly what the likes of Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook for just four examples do! Amazon and Google even put an actual listening device in your home that people PAY for! But it's only bad if the government does that right? Because people can just stop paying these companies and they'll go under! Oh no wait, they won't because most of all people are entirely dependent on them either directly or through the multiple other companies and services they buy out to cull any form of alternative to pop up to make it impossible for people to do exactly that! If a government doesn't provide it's services you have to wait till the next election, but if we are comparing things that way, if this model of businesses were to be compared to a government, it'd be equal to a goverment party being able to disband any opposing party so that nobody can vote for them. What a wonderful world that picture paints.
@@PeasantDoge Through corruption, lobbying and bribery, though. Especially in the case of the US, it is not a secret that monopolies control many governmental policies regarding businesses. So, yeah, no shit? The monopolies are the cause of that protection to begin with. Which is the problem.
Imagine the drug wars. Cartels battling it out for power, executing their enemies, running protection rackets. Now imagine instead of drugs, were talking about televisions, hamburger joints, furniture. I think that's a pretty decent image of how an anarchocapitalist society would look like.
yep. This is a scenario where McDonalds and Burger King would nuke each other as soon as they could. Pepsi and coke would wage a third world war immediately.
The drug war is a government policy which has caused the violence there is today. Ban drugs and people will go to edge of the universe to provide them often violently. Not a good idea. Also seriously? A free market where you can buy those things easily is what you think will have violence in it? Really dude, you just buy and earn stuff. No violence like you'd have with government prohibition.
@@Cacowninja Yes, if drugs were legalized (in both sides of the border) now companies who pay taxes and are regulated would be the ones providing the drugs. Thing is in an anarchocapitalist society that isn't going to happen. A case study you should check out is the state of Michacán in Mexico. Long story short, it doesn't have a government. The cartels fight one another AND the militias the people have formed to defend themselves. The state is nonfunctional and nonexistent and the military has explicit orders not to engage. What makes you believe that in an anarchocapitalist society that wouldn't happen? Prohibiton wouldn't exist, yes, but I highly doubt the competing companies wouldn't do everything in their power to win a monopoly, even if those actions mean breaking the NAP.
A minor background story in final fantasy 7 is how a mega corp monopolized the world’s energy sources and went to war with an actual country to secure more resources. They had a military, a spy network, and genetically enhanced special forces to maintain power.
"It's not feudalism, you see. The Order of Managers is not a fixed class of "warrior nobility", The Great Saviour Billy-Bob can replace them at his leisure and any of you have the chance to rise to this position provided you're loyal to this great town! So all is in order and the contract upheld!" It's all about how far you can move the goal post without people rioting.
You see, the thing you're missing Adam is that every ancap believes that *he* would be Billy-Bob if the guvment didn't get in his way with taxes and laws
That's basically the lynchpin of capitalism: the lottery fallacy: sure there are huge inequalities but everybody believes they have a shot at getting on the good side of wealth, and actually the more inequal things are, the highest the prize, the more the lottery is attractive. And just like in real life the chance to win is very low and you're statistically just giving your stuff away... Except with the real life lottery people who have won in the past don't get to get most of the prizes.
And how any of that legitimises the State existing and make it ethical? The whole argument of the video is basically "If the State doesn't exist, someone will form a State". Ok, that's probably true. But that just validates the point ancaps make that the State was formed and is maintained by violence and that it is not ethical. You're walking on the street and see two robbers, each on each side of the street. One is going to rob you all of your money, the other is going to rob you only half of your money. Of course most people will choose to be robbed only half, but that doesn't make the robber ethical, they're still committing a crime against you.
@@suvl Yes, by not agreeing with the State robbing us and reducing its influence and power, making voluntary interactions more common, creating a culture that isn't dependant on coercion. And if a company starts doing violent things like the State does, we oppose that company as well. Ancapism does not proposes an utopian solution to all problems, but an eternal and restless struggle against tyranny. Even if ancaps get rid of State, there will always be people willing to use violence to form it again. We just keep opposing them just like we did in the first time. Ancaps don't support a revolutionary take down of the State like socialism because that just creates a power vacuum thay will be filled by a tyrant. Instead it is about changing people's culture until this kind of violence becomes rejected by society as a whole. Then the State won't need to exist any more. But for that to happen, we must treat what the State does today with disgust. Otherwise people will simply keep defending violence indefinitely.
@@caracaes If ancapism produces city states reliably then why embrace it if you are anti-state? A private land (and labor) owner has no significant deterrent to just creating a state the legitimize and protect his wealth. If you want a constant struggle for freedom that is decentralized then what problems do you have with non-statist confederations of Co-op unions? Secondly how do you propose reforming the state as opposed to dismantling it in a way that lays ground for this hypothetical "non-corporatist" capitalism. Thirdly how do you propose that objects, resources, labor be commodified (priced) without the state? Capitalism arose under and adjuct to the state and it's legality and definitions of the commodity of defined by such. I wonder...would you consider the East India Trading Company Ancapist? I totally agree with you about creating a culture where mutual exchange is natural and primary but to me that entails breaking down comodification of labor
@@Tardig I have no problem with co-op confederations, I think their objective is pretty similar to ancapism, just with a different approach. As long as they don't force anyone to join them, they can organise as they please. I even think that in a free market, co-ops would have the competitive edge against centralised companies. However, anarcho syndicalism proposes abolition of currency, which I don't think can happen without coercive enforcement. Without a State, people will use gold, private bank notes and now crypto as currency and a price system can exist independently of the State. So without coercion what results is a free market economy, not collective property.
it is fun how they fail in capitalism on easy mode where state prevents anyone from harming them or getting too much power, but they asume that they will do better when their neighbour wants to kill them for a goat, the local gang leader wants to take their food and rape their wife or when the winter is coming and instead of state help for heating themselves they will just die on the street because of no firewood
@@danielstan2301 bud the most ancap actual people and the monoply men you hate so much and they do ridiculely well to the point that they can personally remake laws all across the world
Every time I talk to libertarians (anarcho-capitalists), they _always_ end up describing a feudal society with themselves as either lords or kings. Every single time.
it's so obvious when someone tries to "BuT bOtH sIdES" the discussion by claiming "ackshuyally, everyone who holds any sort of political ideals is just as stupid as ancaps"
@@niggacockball7995 as a communist, I assume that by the time it's established I'll be dead fighting for it, which is the case for most of convicted communists.
@@niggacockball7995 no they don’t. Communist imagine themselves getting rid of the the former upper class one way or another. The problem with far left and far right is always the amount of blood that has to be spilled to get their society started
@@OctyabrAprelya I would think something more like some kind of fascistic company town. Hyper-militant & absolutely covered floor-to-ceiling with propaganda.
@@skyclaw Only a few, because they still need people to have power over. In Europe, it can't be you. But over in America, there is a chance that it could become you. And when you give up everything and leave everything behind, you better not consider the possibility that it won't be you.
The best part about this is how benevolent it is. This is pretty much the best possible outcome from an ideal starting point, and it's still medieval feudalism.
@@Toddalotapodamus No, it is an ideal starting point. I mean ideal in the sense that it's a clean slate. There's no contamination from vestiges of a previous form of government or religions or cultures that clash or anything that would complicate matters. It's as perfectly clean a start as could be.
@@TheMisterGuy it's not an ideal starting point because it handwaves the emersion of an ancap society as if *how* it is achieved is of little consequence. The video itself is riddled with these types of assumptions and an obvious lack of understanding, not only with regard to ancap ideology but with basic economics and civics in general. We can discuss if you want.
@@Toddalotapodamus "it's not an ideal starting point because it handwaves the emersion of an ancap society as if how it is achieved is of little consequence." OK, sure. It handwaves that part, but I don't know if that's really important for this case. I think this is talking about where it ends up, but the specific ideology might not really matter when we're just saying what the result will be. If some system unavoidably ends with 90% of the population starving or in death camps within the first five years of the regime, hypothetically, then...would the ideological underpinning of that system really make a difference? Other than recognizing it as something we should put a stop to the second we see it on the horizon, why do we care? "We can discuss if you want." OK. From my perspective, libertarian and ancap type systems have some really critical flaws that lead to power concentration in one way or another. I think that power doesn't naturally self-distribute in an unregulated environment, so you need a system (government with adequate strength) to distribute it. You also, of course, need to engineer that government to be resistant to takeovers, which requires things like voting rights, education, and general awareness of politics and understanding of things like media and propaganda by the general populace. All of this is essentially attempting to maintain order within chaos and will eventually fall in the same way every living organism will eventually die, but we can still aim for more equitable and stable systems over the ones that will collapse into utter chaos or power concentration right away. How do you see these systems?
@@TheMisterGuy I definitely appreciate that you have ideas beyond what the video provided, especially as I find it so wanting. That said, I'd like to address some of that before moving past it. Adam's video posits nearly every claim from a vacuum. We're to make multiple leaps of logic merely to arive at his starting point of this make believe city. In his premise, we're told that society would have it's infrastructure in tact, but that pretty well goes right out the window immediately after being presented. Society seems to be structures in some weird post-civilisation future where populations are such that only one man has the idea to provide better water (an issue that effects everyone) but there is somehow the manpower and wealth to build the infrastructure for his expansion. For some reason, even though these people would have the same education, technology and weaponry as we do today, nobody questions the shadier aspects of Billy Bob's enterprise. Somehow there's no competition Bob has to overcome. And somehow, Bob manages to accomplish something that there is no recorded history of ever being done before: shut down a potential competitor with predatory pricing. And he's somehow able to do this several times. We can move past the video, but do you see why I'd find it lacking? Do you disagree with anything I've said so far?
There were multiple company towns across America founded by rich businessmen - Pullman, Indiana being a notable example. Everything in the town was owned by the Pullman Coach Company, the residences, businesses, schools, and even the church. Ultimately, so were the people. Pullman was a feudal lord over the people in the town. It was a terrible place to live, and it was eventually disbanded.
I remember working 24 day shifts in a huge remote oilfield compressor site in Canada for a full year. I stayed in a camp 3 km from the site. The days lasted 12 hours. The atmosphere was stressful and workers were layed off regularly for breaking safety rules. A foreman got fired because the cleaning personnel found an empty beer can in the dustbin in his room. I was just too mentally and physically exhausted to make conscious decisions and I was constantly forgetting things. But time somehow flew by. Some people even stayed at camp during their 4 days off of the month. They jokingly said "Why pay rent!?". I'm convinced that given the choice, some people (who work 2 jobs and can barely afford rent/food/bills) would gladly accept feudalism for the guaranteed shelter, food and savings on top. I just don't want to endure 5 or 10 years at camp.
actually it was in illinois and is now apart of chicago. one time the workers living there striked for 2 months and the army had to come in and disperse the strike
@Light Sage That is the "N.A.P" in action right there. If you don't have power to stop someone why wouldn't a capitalist violate the N.A.P to increase profit?
@@nbmi4613 Nope 21. And I was yelled at constantly 😑 Because I was the field assistant 🙄. Anyways, this resulted in a $4500 paycheck at the end of the month, in addition to low self-esteem, depression and fatigue.
Gracious that sounds bad. I hope you're doing OK. This year I'm personally looking forward to seeing if I can break my record of experiencing 50C when we're still in Spring. Climate change is fun!
I'm disappointed he didn't discuss the most successful Anarcho-Capitalist society to ever exist! How dare he not talk about Coconut Island! It's a beautiful utopia! Although after visiting my throat is still a bit sore...
I will always recall a great discord convo I had with someone, where they said they were embarrassed by Auth Right and wanted to move to lib right, so I said it’s all fun and games til daddy bezos or someone becomes your corporate overlord, to which they replied “well my country has tax barriers that prevent him from having reach here” or something along those lines. And of course I followed that with “And what do libertarians think about taxes?” One of the funniest political conversations I’ve ever had tbh.
And it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall comes crrrrrrrrrrrrrraashing dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn. UA-cam is full of people like that. Hell someone actually tried arguing that companies are left leaning...trust me they are as indifferent as a conservative and climate change mixing together like olive oil and vinegar.
@@fluffynator6222 if u get yourself into politics, yes you are a clown. Bonus points if you are not from USA which gotta be the most toxic country in the world with overnight activists and 12 year olds chosing a character for themselves after various political beliefs or whatnot. So in conclusion, yes he is a clown.
I have no idea why anyone would be surprised at anarcho-capitalism turning into feudal monarchy. It already happened at least once with the whole, you know, rise of civilization thing.
I mean, even some anarcho capitalists agree with that. There's this christian ancap youtuber in my country, and he actually believes feudalism was the best time ever
@@InventorZahran Well, Kind of... See, feudalism seems to be the norm in times of stagnant technology. The two times Feudalism was shaken ever in the world (around the fall of the Roman Empire and around the late Industrial Revolution) there were major changes in the world. Iron tipped ploughs and mass adoption of cavalry archers in the first case and the rise of a powerful merchant class at odds with the existing nobility in the second. And for all we lambast it today, feudalism actually worked as intended for its near-continuous 1000 year run. It provided stability and protection, which was its promise. And in some way, unless a massive space colonization boom kicks out in like 30 years or something, feudalism is essentially where we are headed
@@InventorZahran yeah I agree with you. I'm not an anarchocapitalist nor do I think feudalism was great, just pointing out that some ancap wouldnt be so discouraged by the argument that society would become feudal
This is actually the risk of reading too much Jane Austin. You forget that often, the protagonist is in the richest 5% of the population but are "poor". Pride and prejudice is about a woman from one of the richest 20,000s family marrying one of the top 200 wealth families. Yet people obsess over the romance of a subsociety of people who do nothing with their lives.
Government has an important role that all capitalists like to forget. It keeps track of who owns what and prevents brute force takeovers. It routinely happened in the 90s Russia. The government was practically non-existent, and gangs would just roam the cities and take over whatever property they wanted.
its funny to me that people call it anarcho-capitalism when its not really anarchist at all, you're just getting rid of the state, thats literally it, anarchy isnt just "when no government"
Truant Akuma It would turn out that whoever could push with the most force would rule, and then we would be right back to government again ...only a corrupt one based on force and brutality instead of anything remotely democratic
I love how the simulation chapter is just titled "Dear God." It could function both as a "Dear God, these are the circumstances needed to create an an-cap society growing, please let it happen" or a "Dear God, why would anyone want this abomination to occur, send help, with loves and kisses."
I’m not sure I understand…I’m guessing so pls correct me if need be. Are you implying something about an innate human condition of either wanting more “wealth and power” or “someone to follow” and therefore, without a centralized government, feudalism happens?
I think AnCapism is less of a political theory and more of a fantasy where the inherent contradictions of capitalism all get solved and they don't need to give up their capitalist ideology either.
@@IAmNumber4000 So instead of a fantasy where all contradictions of capitalism get solved...all contradictions of capitalism AND human nature get solved and it will never lead to certain people gaining power over another and revert into feudalism just the same. How great, I think the sun will swallow earth by the time that fantasy can come to life, though.
@@archkull Capitalism itself inherently cannot last forever. Read Marx's critique of the capitalist mode of production. Capitalism must grow by removing labor from the production process, but at the same time, it requires a labor-based economy to continue to exist.
2:24 This scenario actually played out a few years ago when a Libertarian group took over an unclaimed land between Serbia and Croatia. Both the Serbian and Croatian authorities kicked everyone out and arrested / fined anyone who tried to come back. The place was named Liberland.
"The authorities kicked them out." "Lol libertarians so dumb, am I rite?" Uh, what??? So when a literal government comes in and fucks your shit up, it's "dumb libertarians," but when CHAZ takes a shit even with the state allowing it, it's now capitalism's fault and "not real socialism?" You guys have your heads up your ass.
the govt is the BIGGEST "gangsters and warlords" in existence, far and away, child. lmao tell us: do you and your friends choose a restaurant with help from the govt? would you prefer to apply for a license to participate in PIV intercourse? how far do you want this permission-begging to go, sweetie? hahaha.
@@mochalo4912 what if I told you that the ‘private contractors’ are just another name for warlords and gangsters? Only difference between the two in ancapistan is pr.
It's not like rapture and bioshock were designed to show that Ayn Rand's philosophy (Objectivism, which is super close to anarcho-capitalism) doesn't work or anything 🤔.
@@Sgt_Robo Slight nitpick, but Rand didn't advocate anarcho-capitalism. She argued for the bare minimum of government to keep a laissez-faire capitalist society running, like enforcing contracts.
Well, you've actually stumbled onto the very reason that royal families exist. Without clear, objective, and unalterable inheritance rules, the death of Billy Bob will always lead to a succession crisis among his top gener-- uh, "board members". This is why feudal lords crown themselves King of a given area. It's not just ego, it's about keeping the "board members" in their place.
@@MrRizeAG Usually the "board members" also preferred this, it provided stability for their position as they would continue to serve the future ruler as well. Uncertainty and succession crisis's would cause many of them to potentially lose their positions. For this scenario, I presume Ancapistan has inheritance as a right from god so Billy Bob Junior would take the reigns as the new supreme overlord. Long may he reign.
The board elects the new CEO... I wonder if it will be his son, grandson, or the captain of black water. Or, maybe Billy Bob forgot to switch off of gavelkind, and now his companies are a fractured mess of factions split among upper management! The drama!
@isak Because water is commodity with, what we economist call, infinitely inflexible demand. It has no substitute, and no one can object that it's necessary for life. And no matter the price, it will always be bought.
@@georgitonchev6078 and suppliers talk to each other regularly and share rational class self-interests directly opposed to the non-water supplier class. It is entirely irrational for a small number of suppliers to NOT collude, raise prices, extract wealth etc etc etc rather than compete, especially when one is buying out all the others, and it's the regular folk who suffer for it. Jewelry companies colluding to raise praises just makes for lots of folk not able to afford jewelry. Water suppliers or healthcare providers unregulated by a government OR without a system of ownership that aligns their class interests with the working class breeds only suffering or revolution or both.
I personally believe that this is probably the actual worst possible system of government. I actually think its worse than just not having a society at all, because it allows enough resource extraction, and productivity to be able to maximize suffering for the largest possible number of money cows... I mean citizens.
This isn't really a blow though. Anarcho-capitalism is a ridiculous oxymoron, but making a story about its failure isn't an actual argument. This wasn't a "simulation", just a rhetorical fanfiction; entertaining, but not a blow.
@@durianjaykin3576 oligarchy mybe. Or even kinda like gangs war sanrio. There is really enough stuff for all the industry. So every worker union will fight each other for thous resources. + The heads of the workers Union can easily become oligrachs whit time
Ah yes. Let’s let the monopolistic corporations just do whatever the f*ck they want. This will definitely not lead to widespread suffering and inequality (Sarcasm)
@@johnswick1351 what if they essentially own that market and I can’t buy from another company because there aren’t any because this big one bought them all or pressured them to bankruptcy yet the goods that company is providing are a necessity? Do you even know what “monopoly” means?
This is so good. Making an argument using a thought experiment and using Cities Skylines to visualize it is so awesome. I am eagerly waiting for the next video
Best part is, it's not even a thought experiment, this is human history from nomadic/tribal hunter-gatherers to first city states. Only difference is it happens in 2000 CE not BCE
@Bob Smith okay after thinking for a bit i guess i can see how it could lay itself out without a govermnent. obv never gonna actually happen but its *possible*
"You wake up on a desert island, you notice foot prints in the sand and it turns out that the other survivor woke up first and gathered up all the water purifiers."
@@alexringess Pierre Desproges "un jour j'irai vivre en Théorie car, en Théorie, tout se passe bien. Bien vu, Monsieur, ma citation n'était pas totalement exacte.
The Icelandic Commonwealth is incredibly interesting. It arguably started out as something more akin to anarcho-communism, being as it was a bunch of self-sufficient familial agricultural communes, before the people with the most wealth and power did what they do best and snatch up more wealth and power, everyone else is too poor to stop them, there are no checks or balances to stop them, it stops looking like a bunch of self sufficient farming communities and starts to look more like a bunch of warlords having territorial scuffles, and at that point the King of Norway is infinitely preferable to the Icelandic Commonwealth. Ancom without checks and balances creates ancap, ancap without checks and balances allows a few small, powerful people with all the wealth and money and power to take over, and at that point it's literally just feudalism: landlords holding all the power.
@@wren_. We were anarchists for the first 200'000 years of our human history before the dawn of agriculture were resources could be hoarded and resulted in people exerting a monopoly on violence. Checks and balances need to be made in order to stop people accumulating too much power, that's what the whole philosophy is based on. You act like our current global economy isn't in any way unstable and has not constantly changed over the past 100 years.
@@wren_. hunter gatherer societies did have structure. If you think human history before agriculture was just "UGG" then I you have to check your bias.
@@johnwright7916 yeah but they didn’t have civilization levels of structure. they had families and clans and stuff, but that on its own is not enough to support 8 billion humans
This example could be shortened to: - A group of members of the society start robbing others - Parts of the society start arming themselves (those who can afford weapons) - Those with weapons decide competing in the "free market" is less profitable than directly robbing those without weapons and imposing "protection taxes" on them
Yes, the video makes a few unrealistic assumptions just to give the ancap system a ghost of a chance at success. In the real world, Billy-Bob would be Don Billy-Bob, and the prodigy would have goons at his door saying "It'd be a shame if something happened to your purifier, now, wouldn't it?".
So the State should exist because without a State, a State would form? Then we need a State to protect us against a State forming because having a State is bad and the only way to stop that is by having a State? Seriously, this is the best argument statists have?
@@caracaes oh yes, you need a democratic state to keep an undemocratic state out. The more political power is divided the better, and the more it's concentrated is worse. Only when most or all people are part of the decision making can tyranny be avoided somewhat. So yes, we need the good states, developed over thousands of years, to protect us from becoming primitive, autocratic, tyrannical states.
Q: what’s the difference between an anarcho-capitalist and a libertarian? A: an anarcho-capitalist goes to high school, and a libertarian isn’t allowed within 1000 feet of one
@@syzygy6 Libertarians could be seen as a threat by the public educational establishment, since schools depend on compulsory education to stay operational. If libertarians got their way and students were given the choice to go to school or not, the majority wouldn't.
I want a Billy Bob sequel! “The heirs of Billy Bob”, in which the death of the ki- eh, CEO, leads to a corporate civil war between Billy Bob’s children, all being backed by different arms of his corporate empire.
@@lucasgrey9794 Even Oligarchy and Monarchy are just people above other people, with more people helping them. Democracy its just a thiner flavor. But hey im not criticizing, whatever works for poeple its good for me.
'Once you introduce a power vacuum by ending the government, it makes sense that capitalism will fill that vacuum, but this time with a truly autocratic structure' 10/10.
The ñogical step now would be how billy bob interacts with other despots. Making alliances and crushing movements that could endanger the position of the tycoons
Anarcho-capitalism actually was tried in the US, the Free Town Project was set up in Grafton, New Hampshire, by libertarians and survivalists from all over America, they quickly displaced the native Grafton population, who began to flee after the town descended into madness. The Anachro-capitalists stopped paying taxes, which caused the police and fire department to go bankrupt, sanitation and infrastructure also ceased, which caused bears to overrun the town, finally putting an end to this experiment. The anarcho-capitalists overestimated their abilities to run a town without centralisation, they didn't have enough money, they could not raise revenue, they failed to estimate the cost of running a community, there is a cost to saving money, but in the end, it was the bear that won in this contest of human folly.
I think assassinating the competition would have been used a lot more in real life than it did here. Also I think corruption would go crazy and result in a lot of abuse of power. By then, incidents of sexual assault are the least of your concerns.
Look, your parents signed the perfectly valid and legal sexual slavery contract, so I’ve sent my armed goons to track you down and bring you back to the dorm. (I hope this doesn’t get flagged by UA-cam.. it probably will)
The thought experiment is to show how reasonable, thoughtful and “good” people will eventually create feudalism due to the system, not anything else or character defects. Billy Bob is a good man - he’s just shaped by the system to become king.
I feel bad for having dabbled in anarcho-capitalism in the past, though in my defense, I was a naïve edgy teenager who was raised in an ultra conservative household. Then I moved out, got a job, paid my own bills, dealt with discrimination first hand, and got to see how corporations operate and exploit other people (especially their workers) in all their glory.
@@johnmurdoch8368 1. I had to take a break from university because of medical issues, which were extremely expensive. It has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with being unlucky. 2. Which God? 3. What proof do you have that your deity is real? 4. Just paying bills is not what made me a leftist. Actually seeing discrimination and immense economic inequality is what turned me a leftist. Seeing my coworker collapse on the ground in an unconscious seizure, only to have to turn away the ambulance and the hospital because she did not have the money to afford the medical bills to go to the emergency room. Actually studying socioeconomic injustices and prejudice which systemically work against marginalized groups of people in society, which has been proven time and time again through peer-reviewed research. 5. You are the type of person who would walk up to a homeless person on the street and kick them unprovoked.
Am Somali can confirm this to be true. My grandma's business was seized several times just based on clan affiliation and what warlord was in control at the time.
I always wondered why people always brought up somalia when talking about capitalism or ancap in this case, I would love to hear all the "capitalist " wonders of somalia. by the way somalia is a failed state that has nothing remotely to do with capitalism which your story proves.
I have literally read articles written by Libertarians in the late 1990's that claimed that the collapse of the Somali government was going to lead to a boom in economic productivity there. They genuinely tried to argue that it was going to improve the lives of Somalis. They all seemed to cite the same anecdote about how people had managed to cobble together a working phone system in Mogadishu and claimed it was irrefutable proof that people were better off without a state.
@@yozul1 no capitalists wants that (wanting private property and being able to whatever you want with said property does not correlate with what you said , no one wants no rules and there is nothing wrong in pursuing ones self-interest ) maybe you should check what capitalism actually means before making baseless claims
The Ancapball memes are some of the funniest and most ludicruous pieces of flash fiction I have ever seen and I think they do a great job of making you picture what an Anarcho Capitalist society would be.
You stepped on my lawn sir. You know what this means right?! *loads shotgun* This will make the failed justice system of the past look like it worked properly. *bang*
Frighteningly, there are ancaps who didn't get the fucking point of Bioshock, I presume because your brain has to be defective to think that anarchocapitalism wouldn't immediately dissolve into barbarism.
You'd better be ready to explain the gap in logic where : Billy Bobs can squash upstarts (but somehow billy bob avoided being squashed) and whack-a-mole somehow becomes a game you can win, permanently
@@lingochuuchuu8138 being the first doesn't mean you survive - the fact Billy bob thrives is bc of tech innovation and, presumably, he doesn't treat his customers like dogs Companies (and people) fall out of favor by violating those 2 rules of doing business- an upstart can always supplant the old guard in a capitalist society
@@m.hughmungus121 Cults already beat whackamole. And Billy was just the first *entrepreneur* if he gets big enough that'll be an issue, he did say he will try to sim more.
Woah, private individuals can create “contracts” between themselves and self organize? Almost like… a government? Or a company? Ancaps do know companies are outside influences too right?
Ancap told me once that even if company owns 100% of certain industry a new company will defeat it because it will be more innovative. That's some real David vs Goliath logic and I freaking hate it because it makes no sense.
Companies are voluntary, government is compulsive. That’s the difference. Edit: sorry, will only be responding to actual arguments, or things that aren’t easily searchable on Google. Edit: companies don’t own “all the land”; there is plenty of land available for purchase. There’s also REITs and plenty of real estate investment options. And, who wants to own land anyways?? I’d much rather own an online business that I can do from ANYWHERE, sell to customers across the planet, and live wherever has the best QoL and lowest government taxes. Even if you rent, you can vote with your feet literally every 6-12 months.
The most fascinating part of this is that eventually this feudal society you created would progress further into a mixed society with a parliament and a primitive democracy, which would lead to wars and battles, eventually resulting in a proper democracy after a few false starts, eventually taking them into a modern day society where the democratically voted government struggles to maintain a balance between privatised and nationalised businesses, and an anarcho-capitalist movement builds up demanding an end to all this government malarkey and a return to anarchy as that would save their society, taking us right back to the start and beginning the cycle again.
@@argeus3639 only realistic solution for this I can think of is use the internet to enable all citizens to make all decisions, via some sort voting system, with the things to vote on also being creatable by all citizens. the number of people who wind up voting would likely depend on how much they cared about the issue.
@@argeus3639 i mean no - the US is not really democratic... its oligarchic... or plutocratic if you prefer but the US isnt the worlds society...just one of them it would be nice if you could get on a path to a more democratic society though... that amount of military power in the hands of something so volatile is...unsettling to the rest of the world
Whats more fascinating, is that the Greeks, who coined Democracy, actually called it the worst possible form of government. Im not an ancap btw, but democracy is even worse, just letting you know
More likely Billy Bob dies and his children wage actual war against each other to divide his legacy. Billy the Second, all hail his name, institutes title "Bob" and as "Bob" Billy the Second invades other settlements. Fuck, that's a cool plot for a story. I call dibs on this one.
I appreciate how this ended up the way it did even under the most generous circumstances and with a relatively benign Billy Bob. The whole thing could also have blown up much sooner just through "After centralizing all water supply and infrastructure, Billy Bob charges extortionate water prices because competition is no longer feasible", or even just "Billy Bob goes ahead and dies without an heir".
It would have devolved much faster into kleptocratic aristocracy with slavery if I was Billy Bob. Ancaps think that every person is benign and good, the truth can't be any further.
Does "anarcho"-capitalism even have any real-world relevance? I feel like you can just trivially dismiss it when the "movement" is just shitposting on social media.
@@Kirbyoto2098 they dont realize if the government (which is held responsible by the populace) doesn't make regulations and laws, the companies will (who aren't beholden to people.)
Yes it does. The morons who adhere to it keep trying to destroy government institutions by cutting off their revenue streams (i.e., taxes), and deregulating corporations.
I honestly don't care about weather anarcho-Capitalism is dumb or not I just think it's genuinely entertaining to listen to you describe this hypothetical SimCity Society slowly devolve into chaos I've watched all 3 videos, I need more
At least 1 and 2, Infinite was more about what would happen if the Confederates were able to float away on balloons with communists sneaking on board and also Parallel Universes.
@@GyroZeppel Bioshock feels like a 1 and done game, maybe a sequel focused on one of the more interesting aspects (Like how 2 did so with the big daddy) however it’s so well done with how it tell it’s story, infinite at most feels like a game trying to do the opposite of Bioshock 1 where it tries to say many things instead of just a few.
Is a man entitled to the sweat of his own brow? "Yes," says Andrew Ryan, "as long as they doesn't try to take it from me." "No," says Sophia Lamb, "he must give it up for sake of everyone else." "No," says Father Comstock, "it belongs to America, MY America"
We have tried anracho capitalism so many times already. Every single time it has ended as feudalism, or religious feudalism. The entire 'dark ages' was just warlords in An-cap societies fightin to exert more control. Viking era Scandinavia and Britain is the best possible example of this.
Those weren't capitalist, just anarchy. An-Cap society was like the wild west, or the coal companies in Appalachia. The gilded age and industrial revolution was essentially an-cap. It was throttled and regulated by government, which worked to limit the power and influence of massive businesses and moguls over the political system. Those regulations were then removed when the politicians were bought off, and the laws rewritten to circumvent or eliminate earlier restrictions. It just swings back and forth.
@@SC-dm1ct yeah, the wild west and coal mine towns are pretty great examples of how bad an-cap societies are. I disagree that middle age societies weren't capitalist though. Capitalism is when money can be freely exchanged for goods and services. That has been true since money was invented
If you like worldbuilding, get the "Steerswomen" series from your library. I fear it will never be finished by the author so I have a hard time recommending buying it... It sounds like a fantasy novel at start, but is actually quite hardcore SF.
@@steemlenn8797 Sounds interesting! Thank you for the recommendation, I shall look into it after completing the piles of books I've bought but am yet to read.
@@Cooom Weeellll... yes. It just doesn't look like it at all. The whole point of the series is that the main character finds that out. But I don't want to spoiler, because it's so much fun getting to the point of "oh shit, that is not Fantasy, thats pure SF!"
I think the joke is about Blackwater- the private military contractor hired extensively by the US for wars in Iraq that committed (among others) the Nisour Square Massacre. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_(company)
"Acts rationally in their own self-interest" means "forms communal groups to pool labour and resources", _because_ _that_ _is_ _what_ _rational_ _people_ _do!_
Wow, it's almost like humans evolved to live and work in groups of fellow humans, allowing them to survive more effectively as a collective than they could alone!
The only reason, the Icelandic Commonwealth could exist for so long, lies in Icelands geography. Being a remote Island with very little natural resources, foreign invasions would have been way too costly for most of its history. Also the limited economic possibilities meant, that it was very hard for a single chief or family to grow powerful enough to dominate all the other contenders.
Someone: *explains Anarcho-Capitalism and how it would start* Me: "You know your just describing the mid point between the fall of the western roman empire and the beginning of the dark ages"
and don't forget... as wealth becomes more concentrated, it gets a lot easier to start producing weapons that normal people can't. Pretty soon simple tanks would start showing up, and Billy Bob soldiers would be covered in composite armor and get superior training. 2nd amendment doesn't do you much good under the tracks of a tank.
You don't understand. If the Taliban could fight off the Americans with Cold-War AKs, we can sure fight off an organized military with zero qualms about murdering dissenters with 6.5mm Creedmoor TAC-Light ACOG 48x AR-15 with Raid Shadow Legends Trigger & Bump Stocks! /s
@@balvarine8709 well, the main reason why the Taliban were effective against the US forces is because they actually had an obligation to protect the civilians in Afghanistan and the Taliban's guerrilla tactics took advantage of this.
I love those videos; it really helps to think about history through the lenses of townships and historical circumstances; particularly with european nationalist I wonder about how they would react to seeing cheddar man; or how they feel that their supposed “superior genes” came from Slavic’s in the Baltic Sea area, and not from Atlantis like the Nazi’s proclaimed.
there was "blackwater security" and this happened ..... The Nisour Square massacre occurred on September 16, 2007 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisour_Square_massacre
Apply it to the current situation. The government has its private military and police and they enforce ridiculous laws. Private military would mean security for everyone since they are hired by each individual.
Personally been toying with the idea of Ancap for some time but seeing Adam's rendition and doing a bit of toilet seat pondering makes me realize that it will ultimately turn into a feudalistic society and possibly circle back to our modern society
funny thing is, you can see it happening in the US in real time... as government regulations are rolled back, dismantled and corporate oversight is defunded... those megacapitalists accumulate more and more power and start controlling entire towns and cities and in some cases have started to try establishing themselves as actual governments with their own policeforce... the feudalistic divides and highly dependent serf class already exist... the US isnt far from a fully feudal society and the megarich are pushing to go further, because they would be the feudal lords
My problem with anarcho capitalism is that: it forgets that human beings aren't just entities that "freely trade". That's why it may sound so right at first but also feels like missing a lot of important notes.
So what? How come in every example here the only people with guns are the bad guys and the good guys are pacifists who just let them do whatever. All these commies cant even make one solid argument.
Since you are all sheeps of the state when you imagine an ancap society, you imagine yourself like an unprotected and helpless sheep, I imagine myself armed to the teeth and well organized with other citizens in small corporations with their respective militias.
How do AnCaps think Feudalism formed? How is returning to a early-human societal structure any benefit and how is it supposed to be maintained if it's so easy to replace?
Tbh the thing is feudalism wasnt actually....bad really...mostly. Its one of the few organically formed governments and lasted a long long time. Thing is...mostly. When it does go bad and it will admittedly at some point its REALLY BAD. Though part of what kept it mostly ok is cultural and religious pressure on the kings and such as well as some level of fear if not of rebellion than of a coup at least. As this fear of god and such and the noble and peasent cultures split more and more and enlightenment grew it caused a schism and collapse of the system. Modern feudalism would have none of that safety at all
@@mondaysinsanity8193 Sure, feudalism was fine if you where one of the nobles but the problem for a peasant was that if your local “lord” decided he had it out for you our just wanted to fuck over your entire region there was nothing you could do. If the lord said you are paying 90% tax now, what where you meant to do?
Once Billy Bob dies, we have ourselves a possible war of the Roses scenario, Succession War, or a return to anarchy as board members try to fight and kill each other. In the best case scenario, if no heir is chosen, the board will become an oligarchy, but that itself can divulge into even more problems like one board member wanting more power, disagreements between them, etc.
If my voice sounds a bit odd, that's because I was a bit sick during recording. Oh well.
Additionally, let me save hours of furious AnCap typing and response video editing with the following addendum:
Rational self-interest is strictly a "first person limited" thing, i.e. the person decides what is rational based on their own reasoning, perspective and life situation. What might seem a completely bonkers act to outside observers might make perfect sense to the actor. In other words, "rational self-interest" is determined internally by the actor, and not externally by a theoretical "rational observer". However, outside observers can still extrapolate what the actor will do based on their circumstance and past actions.
Get well soon
As if* this will stop furious anticap typing lmao
Without ever ofc, discussing why socialism is better or defining it, not that i am capitalist but i bet u think that racism = liberal and that socialism -/ racism XD
@@Andy-hi2nm i have an interest in debating a couple of things and ile mainly ask questions (cus im sure most of you dont even understand anything about economy)
First point would be: do u think, IF market is privately owned, it is capitalist, and if market is publicly owned it is socialist period.
Second point is do u think racism/wokeness whatever u want to call it has anything to do with fucking economy or being left or right? and do u think racists can be socialist
Third main point is, if a country is truly socialist by definition (equal pay in exchange for ABILITIES and WORK) then how would immigration from the 3rd world actually work in such a state
Final point is if i told u lower africas average IQ was 82 and many countries have close to dull levels of intellect and education, (many are at 70 iq) would u say its racist
@@xyria3230 well, for once my point is that this video and the discussion surrounding is not about wether socialism works or not, neither it is about how or if race relations factor in capitalism and liberal ideology.
So it's barely a step above bait to take those strawman points up since the discussion's not about either of those things
Edit: like yeah ofc he wouldnt bring up socialism or how racism factors in this simulation because it's not on the scope of the video. That's just how most quality academic content has worked for centuries now
I was hoping you would get to Billy-Bob dying and his kids fight over company ownership in a civil war, like some kind of succession war. That seems interesting.
My guess is that the nobility would start an internal power struggle unless there is a clearly defined and respected heir either probability of civil war is high
Let's get them to do that as a part two... "AnCapistan 2: Till Kingdom Come" where the civil war breaks out between his children and the fighting impoverishes much of the middle class inside the wall. From this a popular leader from among the people arises and the final living Billy-Bob child assumes the thrown.
Then a third to round out the trilogy... where the Blackwater solders are told to fire on women and children approach Billy-Bob's inner wall demanding bread. The security forces fracture under conflicting amoral orders. A commune is formed by the outside farm workers, revolting solders, and now impoverished former middle class from inside the walls. Call it: "AnCapistan 3: Long Live the Commune."
I feel that there are so many variables in that scenario that it would take long to explore, introduce speculations instead of logic chain and alienate from the topic. I would love to see that nonetheless.
@@Robert0Pirie The People's Republic of Ancapistan.
Team Fortress 2 lore
1. Chaos causes insecurity
2. Band together to increase your chances
3. Grow past manageable size
4. Elect a leader to better manage
5. You have a fucking government
@@BlackJesus8463 Oh perfect, so we can "vote" between assholes who built a monopoly or a oligopoly.
Pretty much ... with almost certainly some mass murder or genocides between 3 & 4 , 4 & 5 and certainly after 5 also repeat 1 between 3 & 4 and so .... well it’s a completely stupid idea is what I’m getting at .
@@BlackJesus8463 or you can just vote
@@BlackJesus8463 "i can clunt money but i can't count votes" ... what?
@@BlackJesus8463 ... shouldn't you?
And remember Billy Bob is relatively OK as far as self-made feudal lords go. No murder sprees, no executions, no demands to worship him as the God's appointee. Many in his place wouldn't be so nice.
Yeah, but it's not impossible for a person not to become tyrannical. However, since he was basically a king, his children would probably inherit the power, and the more hungry for power would probably win out over the more benevolent brothers, which basically means tyranny would be inevitable in a system like that.
Nobody in his place would be so nice, not even I, not even you, we all know it, that's the human condition (and I don't mean this in a bad way, we would be really boring animals if it weren't for our violence and desire to dominate over stuff).
The thing is that this video assumes the absolute best case scenario even if unrealistic in order to make a stronger case.
@@marcossidoruk8033 Nah, it wouldn't be boring. We wouldn't have to worry about war or bandits so we would just chill and play in rivers and do sports when we're not farming/working
@@marcossidoruk8033 I think "nice tyrants" like Billy Bob are possible, for a while. The issue is that Jimmy John in the next town over might not have the same scruples, and will have no problems with some mild genocide to remove Billy Bob's ruling class, and elevate some new loyalists from those disenfranchised people outside the wall. That's how you go from fiefdom to kingdom.
@@kakerei And be extinct, Dodos died because they didn't know what is a predador, nor how to properly react to it, evem herbivores are in some point aggressive.
"They were so concerned about the government, they FORMED a government"
Ancapistan has been tried, in the American "Old West", where the federal government couldn't really reach with any high degree of force. So what was it like? Unsurprisingly, corporations created their own city governments built around whatever resource extraction operation was there, enslaved the population through housing, loans, debt, and private "taxes", and created some of the worst living conditions in all of human history. Thousands upon thousands died in the mines in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no way of escaping, including child slaves. Some people literally went to WAR with the company that owned them, usually unsuccessfully. That is the promise of Ancapistan, or Companytowns as they're more commonly known.
That was described as Utopia by Ancap who I used to chat with.
It's just kinda messed up.
My favorite part is that they created their own company money often called scrips. There was no saving up and leaving. Any money you made was worthless outside that specific company serfdom.
Bosses made their money in gold, workers got paid in company scrip. Happened in the Appalachia too.
Do you recommend any book on this topic?
Anti-JP Morgan Action!
'This was a lot of fun and I think I'll give it another try'
Dude just wants an excuse to play more Cities: Skylines
And what's Wrong with that? 😁
Serious question, was the app/game he used cities skylines? I have shit internet so I had to watch @ 360p and yeah
Its my best guess.
That's a noble goal
@@parsley3215 yes
I read the title as "Arachno-Capitalism" and thought that this was gonna be a video about if we let spiders be the government.
That's not a bad idea for a series on economics. Using cartoon spiders as the characters illustrating the concepts in action.
I support the spiders.
Tbh not bad
Dude I love your channel
I hate spiders but I'd take them over libertarians tbh
It’s baffling to me that anyone could not see that anarcho-capitalism would end up at feudalism.
what is your better solution? forced slavery communism?
When I first read about Anarcho-Capitalism my immediate thought was “wouldn’t this turn into a mafia-state?”
Regular capitalism devolves into feudalism...
Yea its easy to see that if your view is tainted by confirmation bias.
Its not like AnCaps have thought all this through and come up with solutions to all these objections even before critics noticed them.
@@WarriorOfTheLulzi'd be really interested to hear how any such solution would even be implemented in an individualist anarchist world. Seems impossible to me that any rule would be able to be enforced as that is antithetical to ancap thought and it would either become anarcho-communist in the best case of feudal at worst (and most likely).
Reminds me of that sketch in Family Guy: "I don't like taxes, let's abolish the government. Let's instead make an organisation which manages everything and we pay it yearly contributions to keep it running. And every so often we ask the town's population how they want things run."
South park did something similar with a hippie commune
The difference everyone fails to see is that one is voluntary and the other is forced. If you want to volunteer to have people rule you, I'm fine with that, just don't force me to participate.
@@livewire2759 something something migrants
@@felipedaiber2991 Something something... not an argument... ?
And just like a corporate shareholders meeting, completely rigged and the result predetermined through graft and aggressive use of money.
"Anarcho Capitalism in practice"
>its just rust gameplay
LMAO
What would that make the PvE servers, I wonder.
rust has the problem of npc traders
Elon Rust
or Fallout in some sense, if Enclave and NCR are not involved
“And now back to Ancapistan.”
* 30s unskippable ad*
Seems about right.
Completely forgot I have UA-cam Red.🤦♀️
Completly Forgot i had an adblocker 🤦♀️
More like 30m unskippable
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also after doing this you can skip to the end of the video (use the above method if it lets you to the ads that may play at the end of the video) and hit the replay button. all ads drop from the video after you've "already watched" the video, leaving one free to watch uninterrupted and completely free.
bonus fact: these also work on youtube's ad supported movies and your favorite 10hr loops.
No ads on Brave.
I once asked an ancap if he was okay with the fact that living in such a society could entail fighting for your life on a common basis and will likely involve having to kill someone. His response was "Yeah, and I'd win all the time." Thats all I had to know to figure out that no sane person is an ancap
I’ll take, “that never happened”, for 500 Alex
@@bobbyneaves9551 literally every libertarian who has ever spouted the "good guys with guuuns" bullshit.
@@bobbyneaves9551 almost every ancap I have ever met has this same mentality. "Well yea it's dog eat dog but I'll be the one eating." They all think they'll be winners
They have an invincibility delusion. I think that's really common among most conservatives.
@@Setixir Sounds like the audience for a zombie movie. THEY will all survive. THEY are much smarter than the cast and would never make such bad mistakes. 😂
"Billy Bob also had strong opinions about age of consent laws."
@Galil This doesn't make the scenario any less valid, though, since "anarcho"-capitalism also presumes that no one would fight back against capitalism.
@Galil the same time though there are examples of nearly all of these tactics being used in the past or currently. Look at most companies nowadays and you see most of them atleast in part. In the past entire company towns were designed like this, try protesting the guy in charge for his mandate on segregation, religious purity, prohibition and the likes when he pays everyones wage with his own special currency so you cant buy outside of the town with your savings, runs your utilities, supplies your grocery story, owns the police, all housing, is himself the local government and organizes all local community events and regulates work hours. The only reason towns like those collapsed was because of outside help, as well as the brutality against workers becoming so great the government had to step in and break most of these systems up.
I have a very strong opinion on the application of bullets in curing the disease of pedophilia.
Please give me a hint about this Billy Bob.
@@gogogadget1855 would you describe it as being violently allergic?
this was way too idealistic. The water tower guy would've surely sent thugs to bust Billy Bob's kneecaps before he got too far if he could act with stateless impunity
That was the point, he took the most idealistic route to show that even with the best possible scenario it would still end up failing.
@@homesteadlegion4419 less failing and more revealing what the actual system would inevitably end up resembling under the *absolute most optimal circumstances*
It's only a failure if your goal is to preserve a democracy...which most libertarians and ancaps aren't actually that interested in
@@ethanphilpot7643 well i would still consider it a failure since it would evolve into some kind of feudalism and therefore no longer exist as anarcho-capitalism.
At least in my mind
The point is AnCap is too rigid to exist in an evolving world where humans - not robots - live. Same for communism.
@@Brakvash the video literally says nothing about communism
Ancaps: "No system of government factors in the human element!"
*advocates for a system that only works when everyone is a logical benevolent, omniscient robot*
The problem is that they know it. Ancaps just imagine themselves to be the ones on top, regardless how likely it'd be.
Yep! From my personal point of view what I've noticed is that ancaps only pay attention to how the idealistic life would be for the ones on top with little care nor idea on what effects it would have for the people on the bottom, and ancoms only pay attention to what the idealistic life would be like for the ones on the bottom with little care nor idea on what effects the ones at the top (which will form inevitably) will have on them.
They should all just get into worldbuilding and roleplay instead.
What was the term again? Oh yeah, Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires.
Very much appreciated the use of Cities: Skylines to depict the ancap scenario.
So for Ancapistan to work we just need a society where:
-Every person will have perfect knowledge and expertise to make an informed choice in literally every transaction they make.
-Every person harmed will have the knowledge, time, and resources to identify the source of the harm and prove that harm in court.
-No company will ever form a monopoly or otherwise rig the market, courts, or political system in their favor despite having every incentive to do so.
-Every company will clean up after itself environmentally and pay it's employees the true value of their work, despite having no incentive to do so.
Yeah, seems so much easier to achieve than a functioning Republic where the government is accountable to the people and so hires experts to intelligently regulate business to prevent abuse.
functioning republic... LMAO
@@saturationstation1446 There is no currently working republic, but we must increase the power of the people, educating, complaining and stopping politicians if they go against the ideas of the population.
Ancap is the worst solution to anything
@@saturationstation1446 It's like a 100 sided wheel in a world where circle doesn't exist, and people still haven't figure out 101 or more sided wheel yet. Yeah, it might not be as good as the non existent circular wheel but at least it's better than it's 99 or less sided wheel predecessor.
Helios and JC Denton were right.
-also that all resources are extremely abundant and evenly distributed around.
Ancaps when paying taxes: 🤬
Ancaps when paying their annual subscription fee to General Government Services Incorporated: 🤩
@@anshc838 hahahahahahahahaha
@@anshc838 disagree. Thinking businesses can’t have monopolies is ridiculous. There’s a reason anti trust laws exist
@@anshc838 this is a joke right? Business literally become Monopolies especially without anti trust laws
@@anshc838 Riiiight, I am sure you wouldn't enjoy the idea of the government being able to see what websites you visit, what you buy online, what you like to watch, what your personal opinions and tastes are so they can shove advertisements down your throat to make you buy- oh wait, that's exactly what the likes of Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook for just four examples do! Amazon and Google even put an actual listening device in your home that people PAY for!
But it's only bad if the government does that right? Because people can just stop paying these companies and they'll go under! Oh no wait, they won't because most of all people are entirely dependent on them either directly or through the multiple other companies and services they buy out to cull any form of alternative to pop up to make it impossible for people to do exactly that!
If a government doesn't provide it's services you have to wait till the next election, but if we are comparing things that way, if this model of businesses were to be compared to a government, it'd be equal to a goverment party being able to disband any opposing party so that nobody can vote for them.
What a wonderful world that picture paints.
@@PeasantDoge Through corruption, lobbying and bribery, though. Especially in the case of the US, it is not a secret that monopolies control many governmental policies regarding businesses. So, yeah, no shit? The monopolies are the cause of that protection to begin with. Which is the problem.
Imagine the drug wars. Cartels battling it out for power, executing their enemies, running protection rackets. Now imagine instead of drugs, were talking about televisions, hamburger joints, furniture. I think that's a pretty decent image of how an anarchocapitalist society would look like.
yep. This is a scenario where McDonalds and Burger King would nuke each other as soon as they could. Pepsi and coke would wage a third world war immediately.
That sounds like Cyberpunk origins story
The drug war is a government policy which has caused the violence there is today. Ban drugs and people will go to edge of the universe to provide them often violently.
Not a good idea.
Also seriously? A free market where you can buy those things easily is what you think will have violence in it?
Really dude, you just buy and earn stuff. No violence like you'd have with government prohibition.
@@Cacowninja Yes, if drugs were legalized (in both sides of the border) now companies who pay taxes and are regulated would be the ones providing the drugs. Thing is in an anarchocapitalist society that isn't going to happen. A case study you should check out is the state of Michacán in Mexico. Long story short, it doesn't have a government. The cartels fight one another AND the militias the people have formed to defend themselves. The state is nonfunctional and nonexistent and the military has explicit orders not to engage. What makes you believe that in an anarchocapitalist society that wouldn't happen? Prohibiton wouldn't exist, yes, but I highly doubt the competing companies wouldn't do everything in their power to win a monopoly, even if those actions mean breaking the NAP.
A minor background story in final fantasy 7 is how a mega corp monopolized the world’s energy sources and went to war with an actual country to secure more resources. They had a military, a spy network, and genetically enhanced special forces to maintain power.
No you don't understand, everyone signed a contract saying we *weren't* doing a feudalism.
True because we sign a piece of paper saying we aren't doing Feudalism 100% guarantees whatever happens next will NOT be Feudalism.
@@Deode-d4h Yes, that is in fact the joke
corporations : I can't read >:)
"It's not feudalism, you see. The Order of Managers is not a fixed class of "warrior nobility", The Great Saviour Billy-Bob can replace them at his leisure and any of you have the chance to rise to this position provided you're loyal to this great town! So all is in order and the contract upheld!"
It's all about how far you can move the goal post without people rioting.
No such thing as a contract in Ancap. A deal is whatever you want it to be.
You see, the thing you're missing Adam is that every ancap believes that *he* would be Billy-Bob if the guvment didn't get in his way with taxes and laws
so basically what happened to sicily with the mafia
@@Kriegter that's a completely different story
That's basically the lynchpin of capitalism: the lottery fallacy: sure there are huge inequalities but everybody believes they have a shot at getting on the good side of wealth, and actually the more inequal things are, the highest the prize, the more the lottery is attractive.
And just like in real life the chance to win is very low and you're statistically just giving your stuff away... Except with the real life lottery people who have won in the past don't get to get most of the prizes.
I was told that's exactly what most Americans think.
However, the most successful form of capitalism so far is the Scandinavian model.
No we dont
This is basically how city-states were created in ancient times.
And how any of that legitimises the State existing and make it ethical?
The whole argument of the video is basically "If the State doesn't exist, someone will form a State". Ok, that's probably true. But that just validates the point ancaps make that the State was formed and is maintained by violence and that it is not ethical.
You're walking on the street and see two robbers, each on each side of the street. One is going to rob you all of your money, the other is going to rob you only half of your money. Of course most people will choose to be robbed only half, but that doesn't make the robber ethical, they're still committing a crime against you.
@@caracaes you presented the problem, but not the solution. Is there any?
@@suvl Yes, by not agreeing with the State robbing us and reducing its influence and power, making voluntary interactions more common, creating a culture that isn't dependant on coercion.
And if a company starts doing violent things like the State does, we oppose that company as well.
Ancapism does not proposes an utopian solution to all problems, but an eternal and restless struggle against tyranny. Even if ancaps get rid of State, there will always be people willing to use violence to form it again. We just keep opposing them just like we did in the first time.
Ancaps don't support a revolutionary take down of the State like socialism because that just creates a power vacuum thay will be filled by a tyrant. Instead it is about changing people's culture until this kind of violence becomes rejected by society as a whole. Then the State won't need to exist any more.
But for that to happen, we must treat what the State does today with disgust. Otherwise people will simply keep defending violence indefinitely.
@@caracaes If ancapism produces city states reliably then why embrace it if you are anti-state? A private land (and labor) owner has no significant deterrent to just creating a state the legitimize and protect his wealth. If you want a constant struggle for freedom that is decentralized then what problems do you have with non-statist confederations of Co-op unions? Secondly how do you propose reforming the state as opposed to dismantling it in a way that lays ground for this hypothetical "non-corporatist" capitalism. Thirdly how do you propose that objects, resources, labor be commodified (priced) without the state? Capitalism arose under and adjuct to the state and it's legality and definitions of the commodity of defined by such. I wonder...would you consider the East India Trading Company Ancapist? I totally agree with you about creating a culture where mutual exchange is natural and primary but to me that entails breaking down comodification of labor
@@Tardig I have no problem with co-op confederations, I think their objective is pretty similar to ancapism, just with a different approach. As long as they don't force anyone to join them, they can organise as they please. I even think that in a free market, co-ops would have the competitive edge against centralised companies.
However, anarcho syndicalism proposes abolition of currency, which I don't think can happen without coercive enforcement. Without a State, people will use gold, private bank notes and now crypto as currency and a price system can exist independently of the State. So without coercion what results is a free market economy, not collective property.
Ancaps: Hey so what if we just literally redo feudalism. I will TOTALLY be the guy in charge haha this will never back fire.
*gets sold into slavery*
KENSHI
@@werce9120 Never imagined I'd see Kenshi mentioned here lmfao. Masterpiece of a game.
it is fun how they fail in capitalism on easy mode where state prevents anyone from harming them or getting too much power, but they asume that they will do better when their neighbour wants to kill them for a goat, the local gang leader wants to take their food and rape their wife or when the winter is coming and instead of state help for heating themselves they will just die on the street because of no firewood
Or you can be a socialist… then everyone is a slave
@@danielstan2301 bud the most ancap actual people and the monoply men you hate so much and they do ridiculely well to the point that they can personally remake laws all across the world
Every time I talk to libertarians (anarcho-capitalists), they _always_ end up describing a feudal society with themselves as either lords or kings. Every single time.
Much like regular pure capitalists, they never imagine themselves as the victims of this society. Always the victor
Same with the communists, they think they would be one of those higher class goverment people and play vido games all day without doing any work
it's so obvious when someone tries to "BuT bOtH sIdES" the discussion by claiming "ackshuyally, everyone who holds any sort of political ideals is just as stupid as ancaps"
@@niggacockball7995 as a communist, I assume that by the time it's established I'll be dead fighting for it, which is the case for most of convicted communists.
@@niggacockball7995 no they don’t. Communist imagine themselves getting rid of the the former upper class one way or another. The problem with far left and far right is always the amount of blood that has to be spilled to get their society started
And you know what, this is probably the *best* case-scenario.
*Screams intensify*
Anarcho capitalism is literally just the Mafia
Worst case scenario? (Maybe)
Drug cartels.
@@OctyabrAprelya That is the reality. Just look Mexico.
@@OctyabrAprelya I would think something more like some kind of fascistic company town. Hyper-militant & absolutely covered floor-to-ceiling with propaganda.
"The American Dream was never about living in a land free of kings.
The American Dream was always that you could become the king."
this scenario is basically the timeline of a mafia
But somehow _everyone_ can become a king.
And that‘s why it‘s called a dream. Because you‘d have to be asleep to believe it.
@@skyclaw Only a few, because they still need people to have power over.
In Europe, it can't be you. But over in America, there is a chance that it could become you. And when you give up everything and leave everything behind, you better not consider the possibility that it won't be you.
There is no such thing as a poor American, they just think they are not yet rich.
The best part about this is how benevolent it is. This is pretty much the best possible outcome from an ideal starting point, and it's still medieval feudalism.
It most assuredly is not the best possible starting point.
@@Toddalotapodamus No, it is an ideal starting point. I mean ideal in the sense that it's a clean slate. There's no contamination from vestiges of a previous form of government or religions or cultures that clash or anything that would complicate matters. It's as perfectly clean a start as could be.
@@TheMisterGuy it's not an ideal starting point because it handwaves the emersion of an ancap society as if *how* it is achieved is of little consequence. The video itself is riddled with these types of assumptions and an obvious lack of understanding, not only with regard to ancap ideology but with basic economics and civics in general.
We can discuss if you want.
@@Toddalotapodamus "it's not an ideal starting point because it handwaves the emersion of an ancap society as if how it is achieved is of little consequence."
OK, sure. It handwaves that part, but I don't know if that's really important for this case. I think this is talking about where it ends up, but the specific ideology might not really matter when we're just saying what the result will be.
If some system unavoidably ends with 90% of the population starving or in death camps within the first five years of the regime, hypothetically, then...would the ideological underpinning of that system really make a difference? Other than recognizing it as something we should put a stop to the second we see it on the horizon, why do we care?
"We can discuss if you want."
OK. From my perspective, libertarian and ancap type systems have some really critical flaws that lead to power concentration in one way or another. I think that power doesn't naturally self-distribute in an unregulated environment, so you need a system (government with adequate strength) to distribute it. You also, of course, need to engineer that government to be resistant to takeovers, which requires things like voting rights, education, and general awareness of politics and understanding of things like media and propaganda by the general populace. All of this is essentially attempting to maintain order within chaos and will eventually fall in the same way every living organism will eventually die, but we can still aim for more equitable and stable systems over the ones that will collapse into utter chaos or power concentration right away. How do you see these systems?
@@TheMisterGuy I definitely appreciate that you have ideas beyond what the video provided, especially as I find it so wanting.
That said, I'd like to address some of that before moving past it.
Adam's video posits nearly every claim from a vacuum. We're to make multiple leaps of logic merely to arive at his starting point of this make believe city. In his premise, we're told that society would have it's infrastructure in tact, but that pretty well goes right out the window immediately after being presented. Society seems to be structures in some weird post-civilisation future where populations are such that only one man has the idea to provide better water (an issue that effects everyone) but there is somehow the manpower and wealth to build the infrastructure for his expansion.
For some reason, even though these people would have the same education, technology and weaponry as we do today, nobody questions the shadier aspects of Billy Bob's enterprise. Somehow there's no competition Bob has to overcome. And somehow, Bob manages to accomplish something that there is no recorded history of ever being done before: shut down a potential competitor with predatory pricing. And he's somehow able to do this several times.
We can move past the video, but do you see why I'd find it lacking? Do you disagree with anything I've said so far?
There were multiple company towns across America founded by rich businessmen - Pullman, Indiana being a notable example. Everything in the town was owned by the Pullman Coach Company, the residences, businesses, schools, and even the church. Ultimately, so were the people. Pullman was a feudal lord over the people in the town. It was a terrible place to live, and it was eventually disbanded.
I remember working 24 day shifts in a huge remote oilfield compressor site in Canada for a full year. I stayed in a camp 3 km from the site. The days lasted 12 hours. The atmosphere was stressful and workers were layed off regularly for breaking safety rules. A foreman got fired because the cleaning personnel found an empty beer can in the dustbin in his room. I was just too mentally and physically exhausted to make conscious decisions and I was constantly forgetting things. But time somehow flew by. Some people even stayed at camp during their 4 days off of the month. They jokingly said "Why pay rent!?". I'm convinced that given the choice, some people (who work 2 jobs and can barely afford rent/food/bills) would gladly accept feudalism for the guaranteed shelter, food and savings on top. I just don't want to endure 5 or 10 years at camp.
actually it was in illinois and is now apart of chicago. one time the workers living there striked for 2 months and the army had to come in and disperse the strike
@Light Sage That is the "N.A.P" in action right there.
If you don't have power to stop someone why wouldn't a capitalist violate the N.A.P to increase profit?
@@user-xg6zz8qs3q Yet you got paid like 70 dollars an hour
@@nbmi4613 Nope 21. And I was yelled at constantly 😑 Because I was the field assistant 🙄. Anyways, this resulted in a $4500 paycheck at the end of the month, in addition to low self-esteem, depression and fatigue.
I like how Billy-Bob, water baron, hires Blackwater mercs. I noticed this as I'm drinking water that I had to boil because of the recent hurricane.
Gracious that sounds bad. I hope you're doing OK. This year I'm personally looking forward to seeing if I can break my record of experiencing 50C when we're still in Spring. Climate change is fun!
Me during that freeze in texas: same but it was to keep the house from freezing.
@@crayonburry what, did you burn your house?
@@makuru.42 no I boiled water to keep the house warm whenever the electricity came on, so we had clean water and a warm house
I promise that I have brought Blackwater in for everyone's benefit! This is for the good of all!
I'm disappointed he didn't discuss the most successful Anarcho-Capitalist society to ever exist! How dare he not talk about Coconut Island! It's a beautiful utopia! Although after visiting my throat is still a bit sore...
Nice reference
And it ended up like a certain unsavory spaceship (dev’s spaceship)
I don't get the reference.
@@daemonspudguy
ua-cam.com/video/PNpq9HowagQ/v-deo.html
Here, a present
@@castillogrande8926 thanks!
This is unrealistic.
He didn’t lower the age of consent
but there wasnt a government in the first place so no age of consent at all
@@marrowkaiproductions7053 no billy bob would just evict anyone who thought the age of consent should not be 3
0:00 - 0:25 Intro
0:25 - 2:24 Icecapistan
2:24 - 3:12 Fundamental issues with AnCap-ism
3:12 - 3:50 Setting the stage
3:50 - 4:34 Channel plug
4:34 - 4:49 Simulation parameters
4:49 - 16:15 Dear God
16:15 - 17:50 Outro
nice timestamps
seeing dear god take the majority of the video just makes me think what the fuck were getting into
pls pin it
📌
"Dear God" lmao
"Billy Bob" "Aynville" These names fucking killed me lol.
Great use of Cities Skylines too.
makes me wanna play that game again
What's wrong with being called Billy Bob? Is there something wrong with that?
I will always recall a great discord convo I had with someone, where they said they were embarrassed by Auth Right and wanted to move to lib right, so I said it’s all fun and games til daddy bezos or someone becomes your corporate overlord, to which they replied “well my country has tax barriers that prevent him from having reach here” or something along those lines. And of course I followed that with “And what do libertarians think about taxes?” One of the funniest political conversations I’ve ever had tbh.
Clown to clown conversation pretty much
What about ordo or geo libertarians
And it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall comes crrrrrrrrrrrrrraashing dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn. UA-cam is full of people like that. Hell someone actually tried arguing that companies are left leaning...trust me they are as indifferent as a conservative and climate change mixing together like olive oil and vinegar.
@@kcnl2522
OP definitely isn't a clown.
@@fluffynator6222 if u get yourself into politics, yes you are a clown. Bonus points if you are not from USA which gotta be the most toxic country in the world with overnight activists and 12 year olds chosing a character for themselves after various political beliefs or whatnot. So in conclusion, yes he is a clown.
I have no idea why anyone would be surprised at anarcho-capitalism turning into feudal monarchy. It already happened at least once with the whole, you know, rise of civilization thing.
I like that the one time Humans made an Anarcho-Capitalist “state,” it ended with them voting in feudalism.
Fucking poetry in motion.
@Lt. JoeAnimatez when they asked the King of Norway to rule over them, lol
@Lt. JoeAnimatez the Iceland Commonwealth, at roughly 0:30
That's automatically not anarcho capitalism then
@@AverageAlien Yeah, it stopped being Anarcho-Capitalism when it transitioned into back into feudalism when they voted in the King of Norway.
Federalism is just feudalism 2.0.
"Anarcho-Capitalism" is my favorite way of saying Neo-Feudalism.
I mean, even some anarcho capitalists agree with that. There's this christian ancap youtuber in my country, and he actually believes feudalism was the best time ever
@@fredmdea785 But feudalism was only good if you were a landlord or a king. For everyone else, it was certainly not the best time ever...
@@InventorZahran to my knowledge it was arguably better than capitalism in some respects - as generally everyone at least had a place in society
@@InventorZahran Well, Kind of... See, feudalism seems to be the norm in times of stagnant technology. The two times Feudalism was shaken ever in the world (around the fall of the Roman Empire and around the late Industrial Revolution) there were major changes in the world. Iron tipped ploughs and mass adoption of cavalry archers in the first case and the rise of a powerful merchant class at odds with the existing nobility in the second. And for all we lambast it today, feudalism actually worked as intended for its near-continuous 1000 year run. It provided stability and protection, which was its promise. And in some way, unless a massive space colonization boom kicks out in like 30 years or something, feudalism is essentially where we are headed
@@InventorZahran yeah I agree with you. I'm not an anarchocapitalist nor do I think feudalism was great, just pointing out that some ancap wouldnt be so discouraged by the argument that society would become feudal
"Man I was born in the wrong generation, feudalism is so cool bro, I miss the holy roman empire."
This is actually the risk of reading too much Jane Austin. You forget that often, the protagonist is in the richest 5% of the population but are "poor".
Pride and prejudice is about a woman from one of the richest 20,000s family marrying one of the top 200 wealth families. Yet people obsess over the romance of a subsociety of people who do nothing with their lives.
debate me
Dithmarschen was pretty cool tho, it was a peasant's republic in the HRE and a member of the Hanseatic League.
You romans are all the same, I prefer to naruto run and unsheathe my katana in the land of the rising weaboo 2200 ad
Paging Scott Alexander
Government has an important role that all capitalists like to forget. It keeps track of who owns what and prevents brute force takeovers. It routinely happened in the 90s Russia. The government was practically non-existent, and gangs would just roam the cities and take over whatever property they wanted.
And then a gang of KGB thugs took over the government.
@@Elyseon the largest gang won and formed the government. As always.
Ironically enough, a lot of SocDems also forget about that.
@@mariano1196 What has SocDem to do with this?
@@tefky7964 Nothing, just pointing out that the state is the first provider of capitalism. Something statists like Adam tend to forget all to easy.
An "anarcho"-capitalist zone would become a slave state immediately.
its funny to me that people call it anarcho-capitalism when its not really anarchist at all, you're just getting rid of the state, thats literally it, anarchy isnt just "when no government"
Truant Akuma
It would turn out that whoever could push with the most force would rule, and then we would be right back to government again ...only a corrupt one based on force and brutality instead of anything remotely democratic
@@TurtleChad1 whole new level of rainbow capitalism
@@TurtleChad1 You mean interns
Rude, they're not slaves.
They're perpetually indentured labor debtors.
I love how the simulation chapter is just titled "Dear God." It could function both as a "Dear God, these are the circumstances needed to create an an-cap society growing, please let it happen" or a "Dear God, why would anyone want this abomination to occur, send help, with loves and kisses."
Kinda expected a 4s clip saying "No" but this will do, I guess
same, a tad disappointed lol
@internet person but then the context is missing, so it's not a joke
@@xCorvus7x the context is that it's just impossible.
@@Tankliker It is, but Bill Wurtz's video is entirely unrelated to the question.
I've always told Ancaps that their ideal scenario would just evolve into feudalism over time, thanks for painting that image in such detail 😂
All forms of anarchy turn into feudalism yet ancaps and ancoms act like _they're_ the exception 😂
How would anarchy or anarchocommunism devolve to feudalism?
@@annieothername Some people want more wealth and power than others, and other people just want a leader to follow.
I’m not sure I understand…I’m guessing so pls correct me if need be.
Are you implying something about an innate human condition of either wanting more “wealth and power” or “someone to follow” and therefore, without a centralized government, feudalism happens?
@@annieothername According to media entertainment, literally yes.
I think AnCapism is less of a political theory and more of a fantasy where the inherent contradictions of capitalism all get solved and they don't need to give up their capitalist ideology either.
Literally the same for every other type of anarchy
@@fadinglightsarefading Not really, normal anarchy (the left-wing kind) is inherently a post-capitalist political economy.
@@IAmNumber4000 Cool, it would turn into feudalism as quickly as ancapism.
@@IAmNumber4000 So instead of a fantasy where all contradictions of capitalism get solved...all contradictions of capitalism AND human nature get solved and it will never lead to certain people gaining power over another and revert into feudalism just the same.
How great, I think the sun will swallow earth by the time that fantasy can come to life, though.
@@archkull Capitalism itself inherently cannot last forever. Read Marx's critique of the capitalist mode of production. Capitalism must grow by removing labor from the production process, but at the same time, it requires a labor-based economy to continue to exist.
2:24 This scenario actually played out a few years ago when a Libertarian group took over an unclaimed land between Serbia and Croatia. Both the Serbian and Croatian authorities kicked everyone out and arrested / fined anyone who tried to come back.
The place was named Liberland.
Why am I not shocked that this crowd would name their new country something as god awful as "Liberland"
The photo of them planting the flag looks exactly how I imagine most Libertarians to look.
"The authorities kicked them out."
"Lol libertarians so dumb, am I rite?"
Uh, what??? So when a literal government comes in and fucks your shit up, it's "dumb libertarians," but when CHAZ takes a shit even with the state allowing it, it's now capitalism's fault and "not real socialism?"
You guys have your heads up your ass.
Balkan countries teaming up.
that's not actually unclaimed, both countries recognize the land as part of the opposing country
''All nuclear weapons disarmed''
Now hold on you can't just take a man's McNukes like that that's a violation of the NAP
It's ok they turned them all into nuka cola!
@@l3rlc atoma cola ⚛️
*Big Boss has entered chat*
Ancaps: Everything will operate on voluntary contracts
_Gangsters and warlords appear_
Ancaps: *Surprised Pikachu face*
Yeah chinas warlords era would be a really good example of that.
Wrong!
Ancaps: Taste my RPG!
the govt is the BIGGEST "gangsters and warlords" in existence, far and away, child. lmao
tell us: do you and your friends choose a restaurant with help from the govt? would you prefer to apply for a license to participate in PIV intercourse? how far do you want this permission-begging to go, sweetie?
hahaha.
well than private military and contractors will appear too
@@mochalo4912 what if I told you that the ‘private contractors’ are just another name for warlords and gangsters? Only difference between the two in ancapistan is pr.
When you're enactment of Anarcho-Capitalism is just The History of Events that led to the fall of Rapture in Bioshock. Great stuff Adam!
It's not like rapture and bioshock were designed to show that Ayn Rand's philosophy (Objectivism, which is super close to anarcho-capitalism) doesn't work or anything 🤔.
@@Sgt_Robo Slight nitpick, but Rand didn't advocate anarcho-capitalism. She argued for the bare minimum of government to keep a laissez-faire capitalist society running, like enforcing contracts.
@@KingCliveThe17th yeah, I realize Objectivism has minor governmental aspects, but most ancaps are hyper Rand fans
Lol, pretty much
Both of which were piss poor straw man arguments based on nothing in actual reality, whereas in actual reality Herbert Dow broke the cartel.
This was both entertaining and insightful. I just have one question though: What happens when Billy Bob dies?
*Grabs popcorn bucket*
Well, you've actually stumbled onto the very reason that royal families exist. Without clear, objective, and unalterable inheritance rules, the death of Billy Bob will always lead to a succession crisis among his top gener-- uh, "board members". This is why feudal lords crown themselves King of a given area. It's not just ego, it's about keeping the "board members" in their place.
when Billy Bob dies, Billy Bob the 2nd rules
@@MrRizeAG Usually the "board members" also preferred this, it provided stability for their position as they would continue to serve the future ruler as well. Uncertainty and succession crisis's would cause many of them to potentially lose their positions.
For this scenario, I presume Ancapistan has inheritance as a right from god so Billy Bob Junior would take the reigns as the new supreme overlord. Long may he reign.
The board elects the new CEO... I wonder if it will be his son, grandson, or the captain of black water. Or, maybe Billy Bob forgot to switch off of gavelkind, and now his companies are a fractured mess of factions split among upper management! The drama!
Living in a kingdom, Norway, thats why I prefer to keep the King/Queen. The King can unite us, while politicians mostly create conflicts.
The second you said "water company" I knew that we were heading face first into feudalism.
I knew it the second he said "Aynville".
@isak Because water is commodity with, what we economist call, infinitely inflexible demand. It has no substitute, and no one can object that it's necessary for life. And no matter the price, it will always be bought.
@@todortodorov1263 Water doesn't have substitute, but water supply does.
@@georgitonchev6078 and suppliers talk to each other regularly and share rational class self-interests directly opposed to the non-water supplier class. It is entirely irrational for a small number of suppliers to NOT collude, raise prices, extract wealth etc etc etc rather than compete, especially when one is buying out all the others, and it's the regular folk who suffer for it.
Jewelry companies colluding to raise praises just makes for lots of folk not able to afford jewelry. Water suppliers or healthcare providers unregulated by a government OR without a system of ownership that aligns their class interests with the working class breeds only suffering or revolution or both.
@@TAP7a Statement status: not refuted.
I personally believe that this is probably the actual worst possible system of government. I actually think its worse than just not having a society at all, because it allows enough resource extraction, and productivity to be able to maximize suffering for the largest possible number of money cows... I mean citizens.
another blow to meme-based society advocates. well done, good sir.
This isn't really a blow though. Anarcho-capitalism is a ridiculous oxymoron, but making a story about its failure isn't an actual argument. This wasn't a "simulation", just a rhetorical fanfiction; entertaining, but not a blow.
@@trs4184 well yes it's not a simulation but it is a logical out come of anarcho capitalism ie feudalism
What about my syndicalism???
most of these 'blows' can be applied to comunism (stateless society) as well
@@durianjaykin3576 oligarchy mybe. Or even kinda like gangs war sanrio. There is really enough stuff for all the industry. So every worker union will fight each other for thous resources. + The heads of the workers Union can easily become oligrachs whit time
Ah yes. Let’s let the monopolistic corporations just do whatever the f*ck they want. This will definitely not lead to widespread suffering and inequality (Sarcasm)
It won't lead to any of that just don't buy their stuff if you don't like what they're doing that's why it's called a free market. Edit /s
@@johnswick1351 what if they essentially own that market and I can’t buy from another company because there aren’t any because this big one bought them all or pressured them to bankruptcy yet the goods that company is providing are a necessity? Do you even know what “monopoly” means?
@@johnswick1351
did you even see the video?
You had 2 options
Buy from billy bob, or die.
@@johnswick1351 I’m baffled you don’t even know what a monopoly is yet your leaving condescending critical comments on a video about capitalism.
I seriously should've put sarcasm at the end of my comment
This is so good. Making an argument using a thought experiment and using Cities Skylines to visualize it is so awesome.
I am eagerly waiting for the next video
You’d like donoteat’s videos about urban development!
Best part is, it's not even a thought experiment, this is human history from nomadic/tribal hunter-gatherers to first city states. Only difference is it happens in 2000 CE not BCE
breaking news: anarcho-capitalism still has a government, the government just calls itself a corporation.
@Bob Smith okay after thinking for a bit i guess i can see how it could lay itself out without a govermnent.
obv never gonna actually happen but its *possible*
"You wake up on a desert island, you notice foot prints in the sand and it turns out that the other survivor woke up first and gathered up all the water purifiers."
But he is totally willing to trade you these purifiers in exchange for… services…
A French humorist said : "later i will live in the land of Theory, because in theory everything is possible".
Is a humorist different than a comedian?
@@highjumpstudios2384 A humorist writes while a comedian performs
@@somemaycallthisjunkmeicall133 Ohh, thank you.
The quote is : I'll live in the land of Theory, because theoricaly, everythings goes well.
@@alexringess Pierre Desproges "un jour j'irai vivre en Théorie car, en Théorie, tout se passe bien. Bien vu, Monsieur, ma citation n'était pas totalement exacte.
Just a note because this is a peculiar feature of anglo-saxon names: “Billy” is a diminutive form of “William”
Bob and Robert as well
@@OatmealTheCrazy I’m mentioning it because going from “Billy Bob” to “Bill Robert” is a bit incomplete
@@syzygy6 Sounds like Billiam Robert @11:30
Dick and Richard as well, all those unusual diminuitives have their origin in Cockney rhyming slang
@Ramming Speed there are plenty of extremely wealthy and influential capitalists, who weren’t Jewish but nice try
The Icelandic Commonwealth is incredibly interesting. It arguably started out as something more akin to anarcho-communism, being as it was a bunch of self-sufficient familial agricultural communes, before the people with the most wealth and power did what they do best and snatch up more wealth and power, everyone else is too poor to stop them, there are no checks or balances to stop them, it stops looking like a bunch of self sufficient farming communities and starts to look more like a bunch of warlords having territorial scuffles, and at that point the King of Norway is infinitely preferable to the Icelandic Commonwealth.
Ancom without checks and balances creates ancap, ancap without checks and balances allows a few small, powerful people with all the wealth and money and power to take over, and at that point it's literally just feudalism: landlords holding all the power.
common denominator: anarchy is terrible and will always devolve into something else
@@wren_. We were anarchists for the first 200'000 years of our human history before the dawn of agriculture were resources could be hoarded and resulted in people exerting a monopoly on violence. Checks and balances need to be made in order to stop people accumulating too much power, that's what the whole philosophy is based on. You act like our current global economy isn't in any way unstable and has not constantly changed over the past 100 years.
@@johnwright7916 that’s because we lived in caves. now humans have this nifty thing called civilization, which requires structure.
@@wren_. hunter gatherer societies did have structure. If you think human history before agriculture was just "UGG" then I you have to check your bias.
@@johnwright7916 yeah but they didn’t have civilization levels of structure. they had families and clans and stuff, but that on its own is not enough to support 8 billion humans
This example could be shortened to:
- A group of members of the society start robbing others
- Parts of the society start arming themselves (those who can afford weapons)
- Those with weapons decide competing in the "free market" is less profitable than directly robbing those without weapons and imposing "protection taxes" on them
Basically mafia
Yes, the video makes a few unrealistic assumptions just to give the ancap system a ghost of a chance at success. In the real world, Billy-Bob would be Don Billy-Bob, and the prodigy would have goons at his door saying "It'd be a shame if something happened to your purifier, now, wouldn't it?".
So the State should exist because without a State, a State would form?
Then we need a State to protect us against a State forming because having a State is bad and the only way to stop that is by having a State?
Seriously, this is the best argument statists have?
@@caracaes No, the argument is that Capitalism, to exist, requires a state.
@@caracaes oh yes, you need a democratic state to keep an undemocratic state out. The more political power is divided the better, and the more it's concentrated is worse. Only when most or all people are part of the decision making can tyranny be avoided somewhat.
So yes, we need the good states, developed over thousands of years, to protect us from becoming primitive, autocratic, tyrannical states.
Anarcho-capitalism Is one of the "only edgy teenagers believe in me" ideologies
Q: what’s the difference between an anarcho-capitalist and a libertarian?
A: an anarcho-capitalist goes to high school, and a libertarian isn’t allowed within 1000 feet of one
That and Michael Malice
@@syzygy6 The first is an idealist, tge other is retarded
@@syzygy6 Libertarians could be seen as a threat by the public educational establishment, since schools depend on compulsory education to stay operational. If libertarians got their way and students were given the choice to go to school or not, the majority wouldn't.
@@InventorZahran congratulations, you just created another apocalyptic scenario for ancapistan
I want a Billy Bob sequel! “The heirs of Billy Bob”, in which the death of the ki- eh, CEO, leads to a corporate civil war between Billy Bob’s children, all being backed by different arms of his corporate empire.
I have one child. He is the Ubermench. He will live forever.
What a day to be the head of Blackwater Security.
Oligarchy and Monarchy are honestly the only two options politically if you really think about it.
@@lucasgrey9794 Even Oligarchy and Monarchy are just people above other people, with more people helping them. Democracy its just a thiner flavor.
But hey im not criticizing, whatever works for poeple its good for me.
I concur.
'Once you introduce a power vacuum by ending the government, it makes sense that capitalism will fill that vacuum, but this time with a truly autocratic structure'
10/10.
The ñogical step now would be how billy bob interacts with other despots. Making alliances and crushing movements that could endanger the position of the tycoons
Billy Bob Thornton has always struck me as suspicious!
Hehe
@Google minus na, something really expensive, like a rods of god system. Because remember "the private sector is efficent"
No tycoon is everyone directly below him
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@@facundocadaa9020 asi nos identificamos los hispanoparlantes
Anarcho-capitalism actually was tried in the US, the Free Town Project was set up in Grafton, New Hampshire, by libertarians and survivalists from all over America, they quickly displaced the native Grafton population, who began to flee after the town descended into madness. The Anachro-capitalists stopped paying taxes, which caused the police and fire department to go bankrupt, sanitation and infrastructure also ceased, which caused bears to overrun the town, finally putting an end to this experiment. The anarcho-capitalists overestimated their abilities to run a town without centralisation, they didn't have enough money, they could not raise revenue, they failed to estimate the cost of running a community, there is a cost to saving money, but in the end, it was the bear that won in this contest of human folly.
I think assassinating the competition would have been used a lot more in real life than it did here.
Also I think corruption would go crazy and result in a lot of abuse of power. By then, incidents of sexual assault are the least of your concerns.
Well NAP itself dont are against prostitution, if its made "voluntary".
Tbh I'm not sure if corruption is possible in Ancapistan, mostly because things like bribery are *features* and not bugs.
Look, your parents signed the perfectly valid and legal sexual slavery contract, so I’ve sent my armed goons to track you down and bring you back to the dorm.
(I hope this doesn’t get flagged by UA-cam.. it probably will)
@@x7aylor i think yer missing the anatchy part
The thought experiment is to show how reasonable, thoughtful and “good” people will eventually create feudalism due to the system, not anything else or character defects. Billy Bob is a good man - he’s just shaped by the system to become king.
I feel bad for having dabbled in anarcho-capitalism in the past, though in my defense, I was a naïve edgy teenager who was raised in an ultra conservative household. Then I moved out, got a job, paid my own bills, dealt with discrimination first hand, and got to see how corporations operate and exploit other people (especially their workers) in all their glory.
dont feel bad, it's called growing up! Welcome to the party
@@johnmurdoch8368
1. I had to take a break from university because of medical issues, which were extremely expensive. It has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with being unlucky.
2. Which God?
3. What proof do you have that your deity is real?
4. Just paying bills is not what made me a leftist. Actually seeing discrimination and immense economic inequality is what turned me a leftist. Seeing my coworker collapse on the ground in an unconscious seizure, only to have to turn away the ambulance and the hospital because she did not have the money to afford the medical bills to go to the emergency room. Actually studying socioeconomic injustices and prejudice which systemically work against marginalized groups of people in society, which has been proven time and time again through peer-reviewed research.
5. You are the type of person who would walk up to a homeless person on the street and kick them unprovoked.
Or just play the entirely of bioshock
Where everybody was already murdering socialpaths even before everyone was addicted to lightning drugs
Because even in Rapture, someone still has to scrub the toilets.
Am Somali can confirm this to be true. My grandma's business was seized several times just based on clan affiliation and what warlord was in control at the time.
Plot-twist: Somalia is secretly "ancap-paradise" in disguise.
@@RadioGaGago the twist that everyone saw coming and isn't secret at all
I always wondered why people always brought up somalia when talking about capitalism or ancap in this case, I would love to hear all the "capitalist " wonders of somalia.
by the way somalia is a failed state that has nothing remotely to do with capitalism which your story proves.
I have literally read articles written by Libertarians in the late 1990's that claimed that the collapse of the Somali government was going to lead to a boom in economic productivity there. They genuinely tried to argue that it was going to improve the lives of Somalis. They all seemed to cite the same anecdote about how people had managed to cobble together a working phone system in Mogadishu and claimed it was irrefutable proof that people were better off without a state.
@@yozul1 no capitalists wants that (wanting private property and being able to whatever you want with said property does not correlate with what you said , no one wants no rules and there is nothing wrong in pursuing ones self-interest )
maybe you should check what capitalism actually means before making baseless claims
The Ancapball memes are some of the funniest and most ludicruous pieces of flash fiction I have ever seen and I think they do a great job of making you picture what an Anarcho Capitalist society would be.
You stepped on my lawn sir.
You know what this means right?!
*loads shotgun*
This will make the failed justice system of the past look like it worked properly.
*bang*
Anyone who played Bioshock should have a good understanding of what the final stage of ancap looks like....
... Unless they didn't understand shit.
Frighteningly, there are ancaps who didn't get the fucking point of Bioshock, I presume because your brain has to be defective to think that anarchocapitalism wouldn't immediately dissolve into barbarism.
oh this is gonna be a good one to send to my friends *grabs popcorn*
You'd better be ready to explain the gap in logic where :
Billy Bobs can squash upstarts (but somehow billy bob avoided being squashed) and whack-a-mole somehow becomes a game you can win, permanently
@@m.hughmungus121 he avoided being squashed because he was the first one to get in the industry
@@lingochuuchuu8138 being the first doesn't mean you survive - the fact Billy bob thrives is bc of tech innovation and, presumably, he doesn't treat his customers like dogs
Companies (and people) fall out of favor by violating those 2 rules of doing business- an upstart can always supplant the old guard in a capitalist society
Same!
@@m.hughmungus121 Cults already beat whackamole. And Billy was just the first *entrepreneur* if he gets big enough that'll be an issue, he did say he will try to sim more.
Woah, private individuals can create “contracts” between themselves and self organize? Almost like… a government? Or a company? Ancaps do know companies are outside influences too right?
Ancap told me once that even if company owns 100% of certain industry a new company will defeat it because it will be more innovative.
That's some real David vs Goliath logic and I freaking hate it because it makes no sense.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 i hope the new company is investing in some anti nukes barrier
Anarchists in general just refuse to understand that states exist for a reason, and they weren't imposed on us by an outside force.
Companies are voluntary, government is compulsive. That’s the difference. Edit: sorry, will only be responding to actual arguments, or things that aren’t easily searchable on Google.
Edit: companies don’t own “all the land”; there is plenty of land available for purchase. There’s also REITs and plenty of real estate investment options. And, who wants to own land anyways?? I’d much rather own an online business that I can do from ANYWHERE, sell to customers across the planet, and live wherever has the best QoL and lowest government taxes. Even if you rent, you can vote with your feet literally every 6-12 months.
@@jeffw8218 Ah yes, let's go live in the woods then, it's not like they control food and water resources, am I right?
"the problem with anarco-capitalism is that you eventually run out of being 14" - Margaret Thatcher
@@davesprivatelounge She was the first Spice Girl, the pioneer of our ideology
Similar problem to every form of anarchy
@A Fels Was Eric Andre LARPing as Irish when he asked Mel B the same question?
@A Fels Nobody cares what the British want
The most fascinating part of this is that eventually this feudal society you created would progress further into a mixed society with a parliament and a primitive democracy, which would lead to wars and battles, eventually resulting in a proper democracy after a few false starts, eventually taking them into a modern day society where the democratically voted government struggles to maintain a balance between privatised and nationalised businesses, and an anarcho-capitalist movement builds up demanding an end to all this government malarkey and a return to anarchy as that would save their society, taking us right back to the start and beginning the cycle again.
Today's society isn't democratic. Voting once every 4 years betweem two parties that have the same interests isn't democratic
@@argeus3639 only realistic solution for this I can think of is use the internet to enable all citizens to make all decisions, via some sort voting system, with the things to vote on also being creatable by all citizens. the number of people who wind up voting would likely depend on how much they cared about the issue.
@@argeus3639 i mean no - the US is not really democratic... its oligarchic... or plutocratic if you prefer
but the US isnt the worlds society...just one of them
it would be nice if you could get on a path to a more democratic society though... that amount of military power in the hands of something so volatile is...unsettling to the rest of the world
Whats more fascinating, is that the Greeks, who coined Democracy, actually called it the worst possible form of government. Im not an ancap btw, but democracy is even worse, just letting you know
@@user-ez7ls2du9c K, elaborate please.
the next thing u know: the billy bob empire invades surrounding areas
yep, was waiting for that 😔
More likely Billy Bob dies and his children wage actual war against each other to divide his legacy. Billy the Second, all hail his name, institutes title "Bob" and as "Bob" Billy the Second invades other settlements.
Fuck, that's a cool plot for a story. I call dibs on this one.
I appreciate how this ended up the way it did even under the most generous circumstances and with a relatively benign Billy Bob. The whole thing could also have blown up much sooner just through "After centralizing all water supply and infrastructure, Billy Bob charges extortionate water prices because competition is no longer feasible", or even just "Billy Bob goes ahead and dies without an heir".
It would have devolved much faster into kleptocratic aristocracy with slavery if I was Billy Bob. Ancaps think that every person is benign and good, the truth can't be any further.
Does "anarcho"-capitalism even have any real-world relevance? I feel like you can just trivially dismiss it when the "movement" is just shitposting on social media.
Now adays, memes determine elections!
"Less regulation is ALWAYS better for the economy" is actually a pretty influential train of economic thought among conservatives.
@@Kirbyoto2098 they dont realize if the government (which is held responsible by the populace) doesn't make regulations and laws, the companies will (who aren't beholden to people.)
Yes it does. The morons who adhere to it keep trying to destroy government institutions by cutting off their revenue streams (i.e., taxes), and deregulating corporations.
The closest thing I can think of is Eve Online's economy
I honestly don't care about weather anarcho-Capitalism is dumb or not
I just think it's genuinely entertaining to listen to you describe this hypothetical SimCity Society slowly devolve into chaos
I've watched all 3 videos,
I need more
It's alarming how, in the first few years, Billy-Bob's business strategy sounds exactly like Amazon's...
How dare you!
Walmart did it first
The Bio Shock series is a great thought experiment on the extremes of how anarcho capitalism can fail.
At least 1 and 2, Infinite was more about what would happen if the Confederates were able to float away on balloons with communists sneaking on board and also Parallel Universes.
Don't forget about genetically modified slaves and funny kool aid
@@Predator20357 I don’t consider infinite to actually Be a bioshock game. Bioshock happens in Rapture.
@@GyroZeppel Bioshock feels like a 1 and done game, maybe a sequel focused on one of the more interesting aspects (Like how 2 did so with the big daddy) however it’s so well done with how it tell it’s story, infinite at most feels like a game trying to do the opposite of Bioshock 1 where it tries to say many things instead of just a few.
Is a man entitled to the sweat of his own brow?
"Yes," says Andrew Ryan, "as long as they doesn't try to take it from me."
"No," says Sophia Lamb, "he must give it up for sake of everyone else."
"No," says Father Comstock, "it belongs to America, MY America"
Feels over reals
* distant brexit cough *
I laughed...then i cried.
Unexpected crossover episode on so many levels
Wait, what are you doing here?
Don't worry, you hold hold all the cards. Any day now EU is going to fold, any day now. /S
Yep.
@@smilo_don Wait where has all the food gone? Oh no, we now have a job shortage as well!
HELP
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We have tried anracho capitalism so many times already. Every single time it has ended as feudalism, or religious feudalism. The entire 'dark ages' was just warlords in An-cap societies fightin to exert more control. Viking era Scandinavia and Britain is the best possible example of this.
Those weren't capitalist, just anarchy. An-Cap society was like the wild west, or the coal companies in Appalachia. The gilded age and industrial revolution was essentially an-cap. It was throttled and regulated by government, which worked to limit the power and influence of massive businesses and moguls over the political system. Those regulations were then removed when the politicians were bought off, and the laws rewritten to circumvent or eliminate earlier restrictions. It just swings back and forth.
@@SC-dm1ct yeah, the wild west and coal mine towns are pretty great examples of how bad an-cap societies are.
I disagree that middle age societies weren't capitalist though. Capitalism is when money can be freely exchanged for goods and services. That has been true since money was invented
As a worldbuilder this inspires me
If you like worldbuilding, get the "Steerswomen" series from your library. I fear it will never be finished by the author so I have a hard time recommending buying it... It sounds like a fantasy novel at start, but is actually quite hardcore SF.
@@steemlenn8797 Sounds interesting! Thank you for the recommendation, I shall look into it after completing the piles of books I've bought but am yet to read.
@@steemlenn8797 sf?
@@Cooom Weeellll... yes. It just doesn't look like it at all.
The whole point of the series is that the main character finds that out. But I don't want to spoiler, because it's so much fun getting to the point of "oh shit, that is not Fantasy, thats pure SF!"
@@steemlenn8797 what is it
A great opportunity to call Billy Bob's security company Clearwater was squandered this day :(
I think the joke is about Blackwater- the private military contractor hired extensively by the US for wars in Iraq that committed (among others) the Nisour Square Massacre.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_(company)
"Acts rationally in their own self-interest" means "forms communal groups to pool labour and resources", _because_ _that_ _is_ _what_ _rational_ _people_ _do!_
ergo, egocommunism.
Wow, it's almost like humans evolved to live and work in groups of fellow humans, allowing them to survive more effectively as a collective than they could alone!
“Blackwater security” I wheeze-laughed out loud on the bus
The only reason, the Icelandic Commonwealth could exist for so long, lies in Icelands geography. Being a remote Island with very little natural resources, foreign invasions would have been way too costly for most of its history. Also the limited economic possibilities meant, that it was very hard for a single chief or family to grow powerful enough to dominate all the other contenders.
This exactly. Not to mention even it collapsed.
@@wannabehistorian371 Not just collapsed, but collapsed when they voted to have a foreign monarch take over lmfao
This was a train of thought through my anxieties incarnated, until Blackwater Security is mentioned and it becomes a full on nightmare. Sick reference
Someone: *explains Anarcho-Capitalism and how it would start*
Me: "You know your just describing the mid point between the fall of the western roman empire and the beginning of the dark ages"
and don't forget...
as wealth becomes more concentrated, it gets a lot easier to start producing weapons that normal people can't. Pretty soon simple tanks would start showing up, and Billy Bob soldiers would be covered in composite armor and get superior training.
2nd amendment doesn't do you much good under the tracks of a tank.
You don't understand. If the Taliban could fight off the Americans with Cold-War AKs, we can sure fight off an organized military with zero qualms about murdering dissenters with 6.5mm Creedmoor TAC-Light ACOG 48x AR-15 with Raid Shadow Legends Trigger & Bump Stocks! /s
@@balvarine8709 well, the main reason why the Taliban were effective against the US forces is because they actually had an obligation to protect the civilians in Afghanistan and the Taliban's guerrilla tactics took advantage of this.
@@thenumberfour6455 oh my sweet summer child, how much more naive can you be?
@@hydrolifetech7911 care to explain your misinterpretation?
Well shit, it's my misinterpretation
I see you're back to storytelling through Cities: Skylines, future prospects for Carpathia pt. III? Awesome video btw
I love those videos; it really helps to think about history through the lenses of townships and historical circumstances; particularly with european nationalist I wonder about how they would react to seeing cheddar man; or how they feel that their supposed “superior genes” came from Slavic’s in the Baltic Sea area, and not from Atlantis like the Nazi’s proclaimed.
Oh, thanks. Now I know which game he's using.
Hopefully it has a medieval mod....
Lol calling the police "blackwater security" made me instantly laugh. What could go wrong with a private military????
there was "blackwater security" and this happened ..... The Nisour Square massacre occurred on September 16, 2007 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisour_Square_massacre
@@olavsantiago oh I know, I got the joke
Apply it to the current situation. The government has its private military and police and they enforce ridiculous laws. Private military would mean security for everyone since they are hired by each individual.
@@zsualite7984 But what about the people who don't have money?
ironically they would probably actually make a new state or dictatorship
Personally been toying with the idea of Ancap for some time but seeing Adam's rendition and doing a bit of toilet seat pondering makes me realize that it will ultimately turn into a feudalistic society and possibly circle back to our modern society
funny thing is, you can see it happening in the US in real time... as government regulations are rolled back, dismantled and corporate oversight is defunded... those megacapitalists accumulate more and more power and start controlling entire towns and cities and in some cases have started to try establishing themselves as actual governments with their own policeforce... the feudalistic divides and highly dependent serf class already exist... the US isnt far from a fully feudal society and the megarich are pushing to go further, because they would be the feudal lords
People always focus on the issues, never on the solutions.
My problem with anarcho capitalism is that: it forgets that human beings aren't just entities that "freely trade". That's why it may sound so right at first but also feels like missing a lot of important notes.
They miss the fact that economic behaviour is mostly about psychology and sociology, plus a little bit of currency, markets and trade
Lol, completely false. Competitive markets obviate individual preference.
So what? How come in every example here the only people with guns are the bad guys and the good guys are pacifists who just let them do whatever. All these commies cant even make one solid argument.
Also doesn't factor edge case humans. Serial killer in anarcho cap is pretty successful.
Since you are all sheeps of the state when you imagine an ancap society, you imagine yourself like an unprotected and helpless sheep, I imagine myself armed to the teeth and well organized with other citizens in small corporations with their respective militias.
How do AnCaps think Feudalism formed?
How is returning to a early-human societal structure any benefit and how is it supposed to be maintained if it's so easy to replace?
Communism is even older human societal structure, lmao
Tbh the thing is feudalism wasnt actually....bad really...mostly.
Its one of the few organically formed governments and lasted a long long time.
Thing is...mostly. When it does go bad and it will admittedly at some point its REALLY BAD.
Though part of what kept it mostly ok is cultural and religious pressure on the kings and such as well as some level of fear if not of rebellion than of a coup at least.
As this fear of god and such and the noble and peasent cultures split more and more and enlightenment grew it caused a schism and collapse of the system.
Modern feudalism would have none of that safety at all
@@mondaysinsanity8193 Sure, feudalism was fine if you where one of the nobles but the problem for a peasant was that if your local “lord” decided he had it out for you our just wanted to fuck over your entire region there was nothing you could do. If the lord said you are paying 90% tax now, what where you meant to do?
@@mondaysinsanity8193 yeah atleast with some form of democracy you can metaphorically and probably literally behead someones power
Not bad for lastin a fucking millenia. A shithole in comparison to today's democracies or even socialist dictatorships.
Once Billy Bob dies, we have ourselves a possible war of the Roses scenario, Succession War, or a return to anarchy as board members try to fight and kill each other. In the best case scenario, if no heir is chosen, the board will become an oligarchy, but that itself can divulge into even more problems like one board member wanting more power, disagreements between them, etc.
Practicaly Anarcho Capitalism leads to authocratic monarchy with capitalistic feudalism.