WIRELESS FOR YOUR BOARD! SHURE GLX D16+ DIGITAL WIRELESS GUITAR PEDAL SYSTEM
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2023
- The Shure GLX D16 + gives you pro wireless.. on your board! At a great price.. for info: www.shure.com/en-US/products/...
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Been using the new version for a couple of months. Works perfectly and the battery life is astounding.
Glad you finally got around to this one for Pete's sakes! I just used mine at my Mom's Celebration of Life event. I was in an environment flush with cell phone and Wi-Fi potential disruption. It performed flawlessly with no disruption. I am very pleased with this unit. It paired nicely with my Q.C., Headrush FRFR monitor and going through the house. I would recommend this unit for several use cases. Keep Doing That Voodoo That You Do!
I've got the old system. Even back then I was leery of the 2.4ghz system but it has worked flawlessly over hundreds of gigs in very busy environments. I have three transmitters mounted on straps. They disconnect/reconnect seamlessly when switching guitars. The addition of the input jack is very nice!
I like how you demonstrated the differences between the two options. Great video !
I’m
Setting up my first tour/ gig set up so now I’m looking at wireless system set up I’m excited thank you for the advice as a new musician this is the fun part of tour for me
NOW I understand the Line 6 wireless cable switch - thanks Pete!
I'm still running the older unit on my board and it still works in most places I have been. Great to know that they have updated this unit. If I ever need to make a move I will be buying one. As to the brightness it has, I would rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it! Thanks for the demo Pete!
Yeah, agreed, it’s actually just what your guitar really sounds like, before getting affected by cables, and it’s easy to just back of the tone down, or turn the treble down a notch on the amp.
Just got mine yesterday, so stoked for it. Great video Pete.
I have the prior GLXD version. I have two floor units and three body packs. One system with two packs tun my electric and acoustic. The other I use with a SM35 headphone mic. Brilliant sound ❤️
Thanks for the great review, Pete! Ordering one of these now.
Absolutely- I’ve used the old one for 6 years without any issues - and I bought it used from Reverb.
Yo Pete!! Very informative video.
I picked up one of these after having a bad experience with another named brand. Once I got with the other guys and all the wireless interference the sub-par brand couldn't find a happy space.
I really appreciate you spending the time with this video it was really intuitive was fun to watch. Take care man!
I own the Gen1 GLDX and I love it. Studio & live have been great.
Love the channel, love your videos and playing Pete! Thanks for doing the video on the new system!
Pete C. I was trying to get Pete T. systems years ago.....I got shot down. Glad you got it done!!!
John Nady engineer, guitarist, child prodigy and founder of NADY invented the original guitar wireless and to this day it is the purest and cleanest . Originals are still in use it for it's sound.
It was hugely successful with touring shows. Eventually all the mic companies wanted to get in on it and offered him silly big money. He resisted but when Shure came to buy it he sold. He said Shure was bigger than all mic companies put together so he new if he did not sell they would just make their own and he would not be able to compete on price.
He said know even the cheapest budget units are killer. He said the so called pro ones have features but not better sound.
He works with Shure to trouble shoot using massive set ups where as up to 30 are used all on a different channel. These days a big Broadway type travelling show uses large bands, choirs singing dancers etc. and all have a separate mic. He said the Shure wireless branch are all full of guys who love working on getting the best possible systems. He still runs the Nady company and they make dozens of interface rigs to make make any crazy set up to go wireless with heavy duty reliable product. Through all this John still kept a weekend club band going, lol.
Hmmm, I disagree with some of that; "and to this day it is the purest and cleanest". I had some of those units, by today's standards they're awful and very unreliable. Some acts still use them, because of "a sound" it gives them, rather than "the best sound"; rose-tinted spectacles methinks...
I do think modern digital wireless sounds better than anything that used to be available, just because of the technical limitations of analog wireless, FCC rules, which basically meant that companding/expansion had to be used, the dynamic range was very small, the guitar controls never worked the same as with a cable.. etc etc. It’s just better these days, it’s much more pure and natural sounding
@@PeteThorn Yeah, even the Boss and Line 6 stuff is much better than stuff from the 80s. I'd think the old units would also be out of legal bands and be more prone to interference now too.
I've been fighting cables for 25 years.... And after picking up a GLXD+, I regret not picking up a nice wireless system sooner... Sold, solid, this is built like a tank, easily connected, and the tuner is smooooth!
Thanks for the video, just bought it, this was very helpful.
Thanks Pete, that was realy helpful!
These look awesome 🎸
I have this. It’s a godsend for my pedalboard. Prior to this I was mounting the previous Shure rack mountable unit to my board and having to run a separate power supply for the unit compared just having this on the board running off the power supply underneath.
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for this. Very useful!
the best . had the previous one. now I got the plus. it is perfect. Use with Radial Dragster if you want to put a load on passive pickups.
I have and use the old GLXD pedal board unit which has been fantastic. I think I will upgrade to the new unit for the extra stability and ability to plug direct if I have any issues. Awesome work as usual Pete.
I've had the older GLXD16 since 2018. Never had an issue, and planning on upgrading to the new one.
Just played a festival in Washington state an it was a medium stage but I wanted to not get tangled with the band.. great product.
Great review. Interesting about the passive/wireless and active/wireless vs cord. It's so slight I would say it would only matter in the studio and you could probably EQ that either way.
Great wireless and the fact its tuner pedal is awesome. If you have one of the older made ones just make sure you have updated the receiver and the pack to the most recent updated software as was having issues live in certain venues all of a sudden then since I have updated no more issues. Channel 4 is the strongest and most robust channel so I always use that one.
Do the channels have different sound? 🙂
There is a slight amount of compression that is tactile to the touch dynamics, but I absolutely love the way it sounds through FOH... Recommend.
Go Pete Go! Rock On!
Still using the GLX-D live and going strong... now the + model. Damn you, dastardly Pete Thorn... it's like I'm losing money if I don't buy the fancy new one😢
Old glxd still going strong with 100’s gigs under its belt with zero issues. The rechargeable batteries are a life saver and the tuner kicked a pedal off my board.
This new version makes me very happy 😃
How long does the battery last and any latency ?
12 plus hours and no latency that I’ve ever detected. Rock solid units that I gig every weekend. On lots of pro boards as well.
Pete = the real deal.
Cool demo…def Nice to have the two separate frequencies
Cool suggestion, I’m adding this to my dream Eddie Van Halen rig.
Cool kit.
Your not stupid bro. Thank you for this video.
The old GLXD is probably the best piece of gear I’ve ever used. I have the pedal unit and two wireless packs. It makes guitar changes onstage easy. You just turn one off and turn the other on. The batteries come out too so you can keep a spare and switch it out if necessary. Great unit. Happy they updated it and kept it in rotation.
crappy ass system. that proprietary connecter from the guitar to the transmitter is nonsense. i like to make my own that is exact length, but with the shure, it is not possible. just make it a standard 1/4".
@@louiscyfer6944 You can make your own. You need a REAN Minixlr 4-Pol which is easy to find and some Van Damme patch cable.
@@alexwong7 why don't they just use 1/4" like most companies?
Awesome review!
Question: How does the tuner indicate flatted tunings, for example Eb tuning? I also do most of my guitars in D standard as well and very rarely use standard tuning. EDIT: I would also be interested in a straight plug AND a right angle plug, if it were possible to acquire a spare cable. Strat versus LP-style jacks and all that... ;)
I was able to notice a difference in volume with the in-room testing. Cable was full and the wireless was a "tad" lower in volume but that's according to my ears. Still a good option to have.
Have you tried the line 6 g10?
It's so easy, no receiver on your belt or strap needed, it's a dongle that plugs into your guitar jack
I love it
OK, boards are getting out of hand again. I’m glad I still got my SKB and RockSack racks! Because here come the pre-amp, multi-fix, power amp racks again!
Having the tuner is the "why don't they all do this?" feature. The Axient is awesome. You know, if it'll work for Angus Young, probably anyone who can afford it will benefit.
OMG - Guitar Nerd is amazing!
I love this as a drinking game. Everytime a cable is mentioned,..drink, and jot down the amount of cable necessary to make a capacitance necessary for a spool of cable to run a 5K. This was fun. AIGH
It looks like a great bit of kit I don't think I'll need one in my lounge 😂 but thanks for the review
the further you walk away from the receiver, the warmer the tone... just kidding. i like the extra zing of clarity and treble as, like you've shown, guitar or amp can take it away if you like, but with a cable, it's harder to add. love the tuner/pedal board idea. compact and always ready to use.
You seem to be getting the same problem i'm experiencing, in which when plugged, the receiver keeps scanning for battery life and never stops, i find it so annoying... thanks for the great content!
Small note, the 400ma power requirement is more of a suggestion than a requirement. I initially set mine up with a 100ma port on my pedalpower 2+, and after realizing it needed more power, have run it off a 250ma port since with 0 issues, regular use multiple times a week.
When you switch between the two the wireless seems less wooly.The filtering effect of the cable I suppose could be used for certain things but wireless is probably more mix ready for studio use.🤔
Thank you Brother for a WONDERFUL Review. I just bought one and I’m wondering about the battery. Does the battery have a memory? Do I need to drain the battery to Zero before I charge it?? Thank you for your help 🤘🏾🎶🤘🏾
I would be interested in any tone difference between the original vs the new + version.
I noticed that the System really does give a Bright sound over long 18' cable, and really cool Tuner, Nice built-in Buffer as well .Great review and long Distance check sounds great 👍🫶🤘🎸🤠
12 hours of battery is really good. I used to use a wireless until I got pissed Off constantly recharging them. It would last for 4 hours on a full charge but the gig was 3 hrs so I was basically recharging EVERY night 🤦♂️. So now I’m back using a cable
Hey Pete, great review! I assume this does not have a “tuner always on” mode like the polytune does?
I answered my own question... for those wondering, you can set the display to have audio still be heard while the tuner is in use. I believe you'd still have to press the footswitch to activate the tuner, but you can technically use it as an "always on" tuner
Hey Pete, did this serve you well when you had it out on the road?
Forgive me if I didn't catch it but does it automatically switch to the hardwired input once you plug the jack in? Seems like a useful show saver. I'm wondering if you could run your fuzz into the hardwired side when needed and then go wireless when you don't have anything impedance sensitive
Hey ya Pete. If I don't want to play wireless, does the receiver always have to be on in order to use the input jack to play guitar? Thanks!
Hi Pete. I just got one of these. I have a question. The channel and groups menu. First number is group. Second number is channel. Sometimes I get it to display a number, sometimes it displays a letter. What do the letters mean? I can’t find this covered in the manual.
Wow, I just got this was looking for some other views on it, perfect timing on this video lol
Show us how it works with a couple more pedals in the chain!
The BIG question.... How well does the tuner work on the B string on a 5 string bass? Very few tuners out of the hundreds I've tried work for a 5 string bass
Informative vid thank you. just a suggestion no hate. in the comparison of sounds between say wireless and cable maybe edit out the time gap so u can hear the diference easier. Instead of my dumb ears tryin to remember what the last one sounded like. Got a like. Im lookin for a good wireless
Nevermind my previous comment. Somehow I knocked my reference on my Helix tuner to 445Hz. Luckily I have 3 tuners and the 3rd one convinced me something else was wrong.
What are you using to attach the transmitter to your strap?
Have you found (or know of) a wireless guitar system that handles stereo output from a guitar with multiple pickups? I have an Emerald Virtuo, which easily sends two separate signals (humbuckers + Ghost piezzo) with a stereo Y-cable. Tried a Lekato wireless that claimed to be stereo, but it does not recognize the Ghost piezzo on board the guitar.
Just bought this wireless system GLXD-6X due to my earlier version at times sounding like a wobbly chorus sound...could be because I have started using smart tech also 2.4ghz or whatever it is. So, the new GLXD16+ is way louder and quieter as regards artefacts than my earlier version, and now I can turn my Friedman Runt 20 combo up to LVL two which is great. Why is my new GLXD16+ louder and clearer sounding than my earlier version, pray tell? It has nothing to do with the built-in dbs as they are on the same lvls on both units.
How is the latency? Impact Performance? Notice it?
Have you noticed any issues with the tuner not being accurate?
Ok, I’m late to the party but can I ask about its effect on using a fuzz pedal with that buffer? Couldn’t find that in the comments…
Hi Pete, thanks for a great demo. The only thing unclear for me, how does this thing work with old fuzz pedals? As I understand, since it change the output impedance it should affect fuzz pedals, right?
Yes, wireless with fuzz is really difficult. It’s an age old problem. There are workaround solutions.I unbuffer circuits etc. but the guitar volume controls still won’t function like they do with a cable.
So, if these aren’t needed for church, what would you suggest for someone that likes good quality transmitter with no dropouts and good tones
Whats the input db recomended fot that wireless?
Does the GLXD16+ come with a spare battery? Two batteries in total.🤔
I wonder how it held up to the road
Hey Pete! I'm just looking to go wireless, so also looking at IEMs and a transmitter for that plus a guitar wireless system. Is there a way to have this both in one or would I be looking at having two different receiver packs (for IEMs and guitar) on me when I perform?
They will be separate. IEM's you wear a receiver, and instrument wireless you wear a transmitter. best practice for RF is to keep them both as physically far apart as possible, and frequency wise as far apart as possible. that's a gross over simplification, but wireless is a deep deep hole to go down lol
Yeah, definitely different systems. In ear transmitter will live by monitor desk and you’ll wear a receiver pack- for guitar, you’ll have a transmitter pack and receiver will either be on your board (like this unit in the video) or by your amp
Check NUX B8 sir! I think it's a good contender
Sound Comparison:
7:19 - Wireless
7:32 - Short Cable
8:04 - Long Cable
You’re a wizard..
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What about the buffering with say some old fuzz box circuits that don't like buffers?
That is the age old dilemma with wireless. It’s the reason why Brian May wears a treble booster on his strap - straight out of the guitar into the treble booster and then into the wireless transmitter. I would recommend using a fuzz that gets along with buffers- Boss, Suhr Rufus, crazy tube, circuits starlight, big muff… those are a few I know that work well with buffers. Anything fuzz face or tone, bender not so much
I would have liked to have heard how it sounds on a gained up amp when you roll the volume down to clean up the tone.
It still seems to do that okay. I’m trying to get used to it. The tone is good but has this like hifi character too it hard to explain. The tone of the amp is there but now I can turn the bass up a lot more without it getting flubby but is very close to the same tone.
Thanks, my last wireless cut out and on high gain with a noise gate it shut off all together 🎸
@@stephengabree I’ve been using a fortin Zuul for awhile, works perfectly even when turned all the way down. Last night walked from one side of the house door closed though a couple walls to other side of the house and it was still working, pretty cool.
I’m not shure if Pete’s an influencer or a guru?
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They say the best marketing always has a little education thrown in… that’s what I try and do :)
He's an influruencer, clearly.
@@PeteThorn you are great. this wireless isn't. i can't roll with companies that put proprietary connectors on the transmitter, when 1/4" works just as well. the cable will eventually break and can't just make your own to replace it. because of this i went with the Sennheiser, and it plugs directly into the guitar. has all the other features.
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*So what about PADDLES????? You are out there, if we do festivals ETC How can we use a system like that during festivals and touring without issues and without the need for paddle antennas?*
If you need that - then you should go with one of the rack units. There’s lots of options, I chose Axient, because it works anywhere in the world - and I don’t even use paddles, it’s fine for me with the regular antennas. Plenty of systems in between Axient and GLX-D+
as much as I don't like wifi bands for wireless gear, as a PA supplier on festivals, with typically dozens of channels of pro level RF gear on site to be co-ordinated, having guitar players turn up with this wireless, at least keeps it out of the way of the big boys lol.
Yeah, true, I mean if it works, it works! On a busy tour with tons of Wi-Fi and stuff I don’t know… Even they recommend you go with the bigger systems, but I might give it a try on an upcoming three week run. I will have my Axient as well just in case there’s a problem, but I’m curious, how this will work on relatively big stages
@@PeteThornThe old one works great on the big stages I’ve been on. Zero issues. Having it on the board helps a lot as it’s on the stage to cover more ground. Good enough for guys like Gary Holt.
@@PeteThorn yeah, on a bigger tour, or festival, you'll definitely want the Axient.
In all those cases I'm sure your crew are advancing that with festival crews, and co-ordinating RF. I was more referring to smaller local/regional bands who don't travel with any techs, and I might just get a stage plot and no other advance
EDIT: Apparently the old unit with 2.4GHz freq range is discontinued, the newer plus version has both 2.4 and 5.8 GHz bands.
(Well... Shure states that this unit is discontinued. This info has been on their website for over a year now. Do you know what the bottom line is?)
I'm lucky to have it, been using it for over ten years.
Yes, the old one is discontinued.
#Shure and #Suhr
Hopefully not a dumb question, but I gig with a 4 cable system… can you use this system if you’re using the loop?
Just put it between the guitar and the device the guitar plugs into (whether that's an amp or board).
@@adiohead
Ok. Yeah, I have a pedal sized patchbay on my board, and I just wasn’t sure about everything being transmitted through the front of the amp
@@adiohead
Ok. Yeah, I have a pedal sized patch-bay on my board, and I just wasn’t sure about everything being transmitted through the front of the amp.
What about running into a germanium fuzz any issues?
That's always a struggle. And on recent tours I have done, I've just plugged in with a cable on tunes where I need to use a treble booster or fuzz.
Thanks for the reply, looking forward to another boss sde Evh 3000 video, love your channel.@@PeteThorn
man i hate rechargable stuff they have a short life spam and hard to replace the internal battery
This vs The Line 6 versions?
I really like Line 6, but I must say I always had problems with those wireless units. Always. They left me high and dry a few times on the gig- really bad dropout issues.
My problem with the Shure has always been the special battery. If any thing were to happen to the battery and I don’t have a spare, I can’t just go get one. This is why I’ve never considered switching from my Line 6. (Actually, I did consider. But then I saw that it had a special battery and didn’t even try it.) Line 6 takes AAs and I can get them any where. I’ve used Enegizer Li rechargeables for 20 years with no issues and almost the same battery life as Shure and I can get replacements anywhere. The only reason Shure did this is to sell batteries, because there is no technical reason for it. (Shure needs to incorporate something like Line 6s “Cable Tone”. This simple thing would solve the capacitance issue you discussed. They came out with a new version and DIDN’T? Why?)
Another thing I've been learning about is latency in a live setting. All digital audio devices have it. The Shure is between 4.58ms and 8ms, depending on the channel. You can't feel this by itself, BUT what if you run several other digital pedals and/or an amp modeler? You need to add up each devices latency to get to your final total. To many D/A conversion and you start to feel it. While you can't hear latency till 15-30ms you CAN FEEL it at around 10ms. Depending on the channel selected with Shure, you've already eaten up most of that. Let's say you use a Kemper which has a latency of about 4ms. With Shure GLXD+ you could be as high as 12ms, which you'll start to feel. To complicate this even more, let say your in-ears are wireless as well. They're ALSO digital so you'll need to take that latency into account as well. I KNOW this is going to sound like I'm a Line 6 shill, but I'm not. I've bought the few Line 6 things I've had, all wirelesses, with my own money. I've never worked for or been endorsed by Line 6. Up until they purchased X2 wireless (which I already owned), I didn't really like Line 6. Line 6 latency is about 2ms. This leaves plenty of room for other digital devices while still remaining in the 10ms range. Shure REALLY needs to fix some things to be "the standard", as you say in the video, cause they're getting out preformed on a technical level.
"capacitance" is the ability to store an electric charge . It's "load" you mean.
I ve used the GLX for 5 years, Now I have the new one. The whole band uses them and none of us ever had a battery problem in 5 years.. They charge very very quickly. Having to buy AA batteries all the time sucks.
Ive worked with wireless systems since 1980 as a technician, when we used the old Schaffer Vega Diversity Systems on the Kiss Euro tour, The Shure system is easy to use, with not drop out, and has no noticeable latency. It is the closest system Ive heard to using a cable. And with the new Plus system I near practically no difference to using a cable.
@@georgeworthmore No. Load is different. The capacitance of a cable loads a pickup causing the high-frequency roll-off you hear with longer cable runs. Using an impedance buffer of any kind will prevent this. Active electronics, a buffer pedal, or a "buffered bypass" pedal will do the trick. All you gotta do is google "guitar cable capacitance" and you'll see I'm correct. Your second point doesn't change my opinion. Shure only does this to take money out of your pocket. There is no technical reason to require a special battery. You have anecdotal evidence of never having a problem over 5 years really doesn't mean anything definitive. Have you ever replaced it? If not, you probably need to. That's pretty old for a lithium rechargeable battery.
Most people don’t “need” it but… since when did musicians only buy things we need? 😂
I would have one of these units if the transmitter wasn’t so large. I don’t want to fuss with the transmitter pack when going from guitar to guitar.
I keep it on my belt, or in my back pocket - I even do this on my big bro system. I unplug the cable from the guitar every time I change just as though I would as if I was using a real cable. Works perfect for me that way, no problems with one pack on while the other one is still on and then your guitar doesn’t work and all that business.
Lol “big bro” UA-cam won’t let me edit anyway, you know what I’m saying
You can get multiple transmitters. I have three. When I switch guitars I just turn off the transmitter I'm using, switch guitars and turn on the new one. They connect seamlessly.
can you imagine if they added a volume pedal to this? like, add it to the ernie ball junior vp tuner!!! first one to do it wins!!!
Not happy about using tone control of guitar. A good wireless system should be able to emulate the effect of different cable lengths.
Actually, most wireless doesn’t include a feature that does that. Not even top end units. Some have eq, but that’s not really the same thing. The only one I know that really did it was line 6 (they called it “cable tone”) but those systems had so many problems with dropouts. At the end of the day, just turn the trouble down a little on the amp. If you feel like it’s too much - it’s what your pick ups/guitar actually sound like! I’ve always liked the idea of less capacitance anyway, I don’t really like the idea of a cable affecting my guitar sound/being reliant on a certain cable to get my tone
I have mine up for sale. Too much WiFi interference.
to be fair, $500 is still crazy expensive
Compared to most wireless units, it’s actually not.
It's a tank and worth every penny .. Sweetwater, 48 months 0 interest.
Line 6 G50 FTW >
I wanted to like those. Nothing but problems, dropouts like mad, and I really like Line 6.