Kind of hard to debunk something when the Bible plainly says women should be silent in Church,h and only ask their husbands later in private. It would be different if the Bible also said that husbands should be silent in church and ask their wives later in private somewhere else but it doesn't. You can try really hard to make the Bible not say what it says, but in the end it says what it says regardless of how you feel about it.
Well said. Why does he feel the need to justify what his god says? He should own it and simply say something along the lines of “if my god thinks women are less than men, then there are - regardless of what my personal views may be.”
There's nothing to refute. The bible is nearly 2000 years old so it's important that we understand the language and intent of the writer's words. We know that women can sing, pray and worship in church so they can definitely "speak" so to say in Corinthians. We know that God loves women equally to men in Galatians 3:28 so please stop yapping as if this is some prejudice towards females that just doesn't exist. When it says for women to keep silent, it's talking about during liturgy so that they dont interupt.
He was mistaken and interpreted it wrong but there was definitely no sexism involved. Read my replies to the other comments, I explained why that ruling was directed towards females even though it applied to men aswell.
@VelchinLab "Women have to be silent in church so they can listen better and ask questions at home so that's totally fine since the husband is now the teacher." Sad but hilarious explanation.
@@VelchinLabbecause it’s thinly veiled mysogeny that is totally out of touch with the society we live in. The Bible teaches plenty that I think is quite beautiful and important, but to die on this hill is a little bit embarrassing for the rest of us to listen to, which is why they find it funny
What I find sexist is that there’s no reason to separate the listener and the explainer by gender. Shouldn’t a man quietly listen in church? And shouldn’t a man go home and ask his wife to explain things to him?
Normally, when someone attempts to show something isn't sexist, they try to present evidence and argument that shows it's not sexist. It's refreshing that you took the tactic of ONLY presenting arguments that further prove that it is sexist. I'm not sure that this exciting new strategy worked though, because, in a twist that undoubtedly shocked everyone, repeatedly explaining how it's sexist didn't end up debunking the claim that it was sexist.
Ok, so you start by claiming the Bible’s demands for woman *arent* sexist Ok And then move on to describe the unique, harsher, dismissing commands for woman…. ??? How do you support your claim? You say they are demanded to be silent in church so they listen, and that “asking questions is a rabbinic form of teaching” First, how does this principle of staying silent to listen not apply to men? If woman need stay silent to learn, consequently men need stay silent to learn. And yet this is not an issue? And secondly, you argue about how asking questions is supported by the Bible… who questions this? This is not the problem, you pass over the “ask your husband” part, and skip to the “questions” part as if anyone cares about the question part in relation to the commands to women “They’re commanded to ask questions so the husband studies more” Their husband is already going to church, this process is already happening. In fact, if the woman were to ask this question in church, she could then relay that information to her husband immediately instead of waiting for her husband to then ask the same people the same thing, that is if the woman is not literally in the same church and room as her husband already. The implication that your implying but not saying is that woman are incapable of or divinely commanded to not have an understanding of the Bible equal or potentially better than a man, and so have to defer all interpretation to their husband, so that the husband can be the “spiritual leader of the family,” which is… sexist Being sexist doesn’t mean “treats his wife like meat.” It’s just unfair treatment based upon being a different sex. Woman are woman, and so are confined to lesser spiritual roles in the church and home. It’s sexist, doesn’t have to be violent or outwardly mean like you imply at the end You can just say “it’s Gods command so it doesn’t matter if it’s sexist” but don’t be deceitful to yourself and others. It’s sexist, that’s it.
Why do you say they are "lesser spiritual roles"? Different doesn't mean worse. Is The Father greater than The Son? Is it holier to serve than to be served?
@ if a man is able to listen and speak, and a woman is only able to listen, that is a lesser role as it’s more confined It’s impossible to only speak and never listen, which makes the dichotomy of men and woman having individual unique roles false as the man occupies both roles and the woman only one.
@@SourceCod33 You should try actually reading the bible instead of posting a hate thread whilst uneducated. Galatians 3:28 shows how we're all equal in God's eyes. Jesus didn't discriminate either. Women did NOT have to be silent in church. 1 Corinthians 11:5 shows that women can and did pray but that their heads had to be covered. Women sang songs 1 Samuel 18:6-7 , Colossians 3:16. They only were told to be silent during liturgy and not to interrupt. Men couldn't interrupt either but it wasn't said explicitly as men back then were more educated in Jewish law and old Christian scriptures. They already knew not to interrupt whereas women didn't. This means that women were more likely to interrupt so they were explicitly told to be silent just to clear that up. The reason for this as back then, boys were brought up learning about the torah, religious laws etc whilst females were trained in domestic things. Gender roles were always a thing and so Paul knowing that women didn't have the same knowledge as men on some things cleared it up by telling women to be silent in church. No sexism or discrimination here, just your insecure and victim mentality mindset. God loves us all equally.
So, do you believe a different order for a woman (ie only the men can talk) is sexist in itself? So we cannot have different rules for the genders or its sexist? So, a woman not being able to go into the mens bathroom is sexist?
If you really can’t accept the bible has contradictions and some disgusting ideologies then there is literally no point in having a debate here 😂 You didn’t “debunk” Alex at all.
No contradictions, just your hateful sadistic persona. Women did NOT have to be silent in church. 1 Corinthians 11:5 shows that women can and did pray but that their heads had to be covered. Women sang songs 1 Samuel 18:6-7 , Colossians 3:16. They only were told to be silent during liturgy and not to interrupt. Men couldn't interrupt either but it wasn't said explicitly as men back then were more educated in Jewish law and old Christian scriptures. They already knew not to interrupt whereas women didn't. This means that women were more likely to interrupt so they were explicitly told to be silent just to clear that up. The reason for this as back then, boys were brought up learning about the torah, religious laws etc whilst females were trained in domestic things. Gender roles were always a thing and so Paul knowing that women didn't have the same knowledge as men on some things cleared it up by telling women to be silent in church. No sexism or discrimination here, just your insecure and victim mentality mindset. God loves us all equally.
You didn't debunk anything, you did what every Christian always does "Duhhhh it's metaphors" and "duh that's not what God meant". That's exactly what the bible says and that's fine. People with a brain realize the bible was written over many centuries by men who tried to attribute their rules, laws, environment, customs and lives to a God. It's just random people making things up as they go, and in that time women were seen as lesser and so the authors of the bible decided that's probably how God wanted it. They do the same thing with Slavery in Exodus 21, these aren't divine commands or revelations, they're people interpreting their way of life and then trying to fit God into that way of life.
There is no direct evidence in 1 Corinthians 14:35 to suggest that "women" symbolically represent the church. The verse seems to address practical issues of worship order in Corinth, not symbolic theology. Broader biblical themes of the church as a bride (e.g., Ephesians 5) don't directly apply here. Chat gpt seems to disagree 😅
Gender roles. Do you call it sexist when the traditional family has men working/ providing and women caring for the kid? We're all equal but have different duties. Men were brought up learning about religion and becoming religious leaders whilst women took on domestic roles. Not because God commanded it so but because that was the culteral norm. In the eyes of God we're all equal.
@@Gxralt Of course set roles are sexist. Set up by men, who were stronger, and who used the Bible to back themselves up. Women were lesser-than, given away by their fathers to the husbands who would then have control over them. Why have set roles? Why not negotiate and find out what each person actually prefers? It may fall into traditional roles, but it might not.
I came into this video wanting to connect with your perspective and opinion, but I just couldn’t. It doesn’t really make sense to me personally, when you make broad statements with no backing.
Women did NOT have to be silent in church. 1 Corinthians 11:5 shows that women can and did pray but that their heads had to be covered. Women sang songs 1 Samuel 18:6-7 , Colossians 3:16. They only were told to be silent during liturgy and not to interrupt. Men couldn't interrupt either but it wasn't said explicitly as men back then were more educated in Jewish law and old Christian scriptures. They already knew not to interrupt whereas women didn't. This means that women were more likely to interrupt so they were explicitly told to be silent just to clear that up. The reason for this as back then, boys were brought up learning about the torah, religious laws etc whilst females were trained in domestic things. Gender roles were always a thing and so Paul knowing that women didn't have the same knowledge as men on some things cleared it up by telling women to be silent in church. No sexism or discrimination here, just your insecure and victim mentality mindset. God loves us all equally.
it must be pre assumed that husbands are smarter than women because then the verse woudln't make sense unless god wants us not to know it is sexist to have different rules for men and women where one can't do the same as the other, and to assume that husbands are smarter than women
"It's not supposed to be sexist, it's supposed to be beautiful" There's nothing beautiful in discriminatijg against someone for their sex, when both the mana nd woman can ask questions and learn
Why only women tho? The man is the teacher to the woman but what if the woman knows more then the man? She must be silent and hes ignroant to this beautiful grace you talk about? It would've been better to say Be silent and listen when the word of jesus is being spoke unto or something like that but no its exclusively women and your interpretation doesnt make since because that doesnt change between whos listening and not. Its PROBABLY because that part of the bible was writen by sexist men makes more sense then your story.
Sad how you type all this nonsense without knowing anything. Men grew up learning about Jewish law and religious practices which is why they were usually the religious teachers. Women took on domestic duties and generally knew less about the religious practices hence why Paul had to clarify to them that they couldnt talk. No sexism involved, just your slow mentality. Women were singing and praying at church. The silence was only during teachings.
Kind of hard to debunk something when the Bible plainly says women should be silent in Church,h and only ask their husbands later in private. It would be different if the Bible also said that husbands should be silent in church and ask their wives later in private somewhere else but it doesn't. You can try really hard to make the Bible not say what it says, but in the end it says what it says regardless of how you feel about it.
Well said.
Why does he feel the need to justify what his god says? He should own it and simply say something along the lines of “if my god thinks women are less than men, then there are - regardless of what my personal views may be.”
There's nothing to refute. The bible is nearly 2000 years old so it's important that we understand the language and intent of the writer's words. We know that women can sing, pray and worship in church so they can definitely "speak" so to say in Corinthians. We know that God loves women equally to men in Galatians 3:28 so please stop yapping as if this is some prejudice towards females that just doesn't exist. When it says for women to keep silent, it's talking about during liturgy so that they dont interupt.
I never changed what it says. I explained what it says.
@@Gxralt So why doesn't it say, men should be quiet and don't interrupt too?
@@Gxralt exactly something what was written 2000 years ago should be studied in it's context
You havent "debunked" anything. You've only asserted your interpretation.
He was mistaken and interpreted it wrong but there was definitely no sexism involved. Read my replies to the other comments, I explained why that ruling was directed towards females even though it applied to men aswell.
"its not a sexism thing its just a rule that restricts women only”
So a rule that only applies to a woman is sexist?
@@VelchinLab restricting when someone can speak based on gender alone is the sexism, no exceptions
@ a restriction on speech that only applies to women yes absolutely
@@Zaylichow is this hard for them to understand 😭
@@devonmcquain5996 real 😭
Is this satire or are you serious here? Because this is one of the worst yet funniest explanations about a verse from a holy book ever.
@bustinjieber2673 explain why it’s funny
@VelchinLab "Women have to be silent in church so they can listen better and ask questions at home so that's totally fine since the husband is now the teacher."
Sad but hilarious explanation.
@bustinjieber2673 why is it hilarious?
@@VelchinLab It's funny because it doesn't debunk Alex and still degrades women, and you think it really debunks Alex and explains gods mind.
@@VelchinLabbecause it’s thinly veiled mysogeny that is totally out of touch with the society we live in. The Bible teaches plenty that I think is quite beautiful and important, but to die on this hill is a little bit embarrassing for the rest of us to listen to, which is why they find it funny
What I find sexist is that there’s no reason to separate the listener and the explainer by gender. Shouldn’t a man quietly listen in church? And shouldn’t a man go home and ask his wife to explain things to him?
It says elsewhere. Eve gave the fruit to Adam
Normally, when someone attempts to show something isn't sexist, they try to present evidence and argument that shows it's not sexist.
It's refreshing that you took the tactic of ONLY presenting arguments that further prove that it is sexist. I'm not sure that this exciting new strategy worked though, because, in a twist that undoubtedly shocked everyone, repeatedly explaining how it's sexist didn't end up debunking the claim that it was sexist.
Ok, so you start by claiming the Bible’s demands for woman *arent* sexist
Ok
And then move on to describe the unique, harsher, dismissing commands for woman…. ???
How do you support your claim? You say they are demanded to be silent in church so they listen, and that “asking questions is a rabbinic form of teaching”
First, how does this principle of staying silent to listen not apply to men? If woman need stay silent to learn, consequently men need stay silent to learn. And yet this is not an issue?
And secondly, you argue about how asking questions is supported by the Bible… who questions this? This is not the problem, you pass over the “ask your husband” part, and skip to the “questions” part as if anyone cares about the question part in relation to the commands to women
“They’re commanded to ask questions so the husband studies more”
Their husband is already going to church, this process is already happening. In fact, if the woman were to ask this question in church, she could then relay that information to her husband immediately instead of waiting for her husband to then ask the same people the same thing, that is if the woman is not literally in the same church and room as her husband already. The implication that your implying but not saying is that woman are incapable of or divinely commanded to not have an understanding of the Bible equal or potentially better than a man, and so have to defer all interpretation to their husband, so that the husband can be the “spiritual leader of the family,” which is… sexist
Being sexist doesn’t mean “treats his wife like meat.” It’s just unfair treatment based upon being a different sex. Woman are woman, and so are confined to lesser spiritual roles in the church and home. It’s sexist, doesn’t have to be violent or outwardly mean like you imply at the end
You can just say “it’s Gods command so it doesn’t matter if it’s sexist” but don’t be deceitful to yourself and others. It’s sexist, that’s it.
Why do you say they are "lesser spiritual roles"? Different doesn't mean worse. Is The Father greater than The Son? Is it holier to serve than to be served?
@ if a man is able to listen and speak, and a woman is only able to listen, that is a lesser role as it’s more confined
It’s impossible to only speak and never listen, which makes the dichotomy of men and woman having individual unique roles false as the man occupies both roles and the woman only one.
@@SourceCod33 You should try actually reading the bible instead of posting a hate thread whilst uneducated. Galatians 3:28 shows how we're all equal in God's eyes. Jesus didn't discriminate either.
Women did NOT have to be silent in church. 1 Corinthians 11:5 shows that women can and did pray but that their heads had to be covered. Women sang songs 1 Samuel 18:6-7 , Colossians 3:16. They only were told to be silent during liturgy and not to interrupt. Men couldn't interrupt either but it wasn't said explicitly as men back then were more educated in Jewish law and old Christian scriptures. They already knew not to interrupt whereas women didn't. This means that women were more likely to interrupt so they were explicitly told to be silent just to clear that up.
The reason for this as back then, boys were brought up learning about the torah, religious laws etc whilst females were trained in domestic things. Gender roles were always a thing and so Paul knowing that women didn't have the same knowledge as men on some things cleared it up by telling women to be silent in church.
No sexism or discrimination here, just your insecure and victim mentality mindset. God loves us all equally.
So, do you believe a different order for a woman (ie only the men can talk) is sexist in itself? So we cannot have different rules for the genders or its sexist? So, a woman not being able to go into the mens bathroom is sexist?
@VelchinLab Having different rules isn't the problem. It's having unfair rules that's the problem.
If you really can’t accept the bible has contradictions and some disgusting ideologies then there is literally no point in having a debate here 😂 You didn’t “debunk” Alex at all.
No contradictions, just your hateful sadistic persona.
Women did NOT have to be silent in church. 1 Corinthians 11:5 shows that women can and did pray but that their heads had to be covered. Women sang songs 1 Samuel 18:6-7 , Colossians 3:16. They only were told to be silent during liturgy and not to interrupt. Men couldn't interrupt either but it wasn't said explicitly as men back then were more educated in Jewish law and old Christian scriptures. They already knew not to interrupt whereas women didn't. This means that women were more likely to interrupt so they were explicitly told to be silent just to clear that up.
The reason for this as back then, boys were brought up learning about the torah, religious laws etc whilst females were trained in domestic things. Gender roles were always a thing and so Paul knowing that women didn't have the same knowledge as men on some things cleared it up by telling women to be silent in church.
No sexism or discrimination here, just your insecure and victim mentality mindset. God loves us all equally.
You didn't debunk anything, you did what every Christian always does "Duhhhh it's metaphors" and "duh that's not what God meant". That's exactly what the bible says and that's fine. People with a brain realize the bible was written over many centuries by men who tried to attribute their rules, laws, environment, customs and lives to a God. It's just random people making things up as they go, and in that time women were seen as lesser and so the authors of the bible decided that's probably how God wanted it. They do the same thing with Slavery in Exodus 21, these aren't divine commands or revelations, they're people interpreting their way of life and then trying to fit God into that way of life.
yep like 20 different authors, a lot of them at completely different time periods, yet it all lines up perfectly
There is no direct evidence in 1 Corinthians 14:35 to suggest that "women" symbolically represent the church. The verse seems to address practical issues of worship order in Corinth, not symbolic theology. Broader biblical themes of the church as a bride (e.g., Ephesians 5) don't directly apply here. Chat gpt seems to disagree 😅
If this is the best interpretation you can come up with its pretty bad😂
So why aren't they treated the same? Why don't they take turns being teacher and listener?
You nailed it!
Gender roles. Do you call it sexist when the traditional family has men working/ providing and women caring for the kid? We're all equal but have different duties. Men were brought up learning about religion and becoming religious leaders whilst women took on domestic roles. Not because God commanded it so but because that was the culteral norm. In the eyes of God we're all equal.
Taking turns being a teacher would completely destroy the symbolism.
@@VelchinLab And the sexism.
@@Gxralt Of course set roles are sexist. Set up by men, who were stronger, and who used the Bible to back themselves up.
Women were lesser-than, given away by their fathers to the husbands who would then have control over them.
Why have set roles? Why not negotiate and find out what each person actually prefers? It may fall into traditional roles, but it might not.
I came into this video wanting to connect with your perspective and opinion, but I just couldn’t. It doesn’t really make sense to me personally, when you make broad statements with no backing.
Women did NOT have to be silent in church. 1 Corinthians 11:5 shows that women can and did pray but that their heads had to be covered. Women sang songs 1 Samuel 18:6-7 , Colossians 3:16. They only were told to be silent during liturgy and not to interrupt. Men couldn't interrupt either but it wasn't said explicitly as men back then were more educated in Jewish law and old Christian scriptures. They already knew not to interrupt whereas women didn't. This means that women were more likely to interrupt so they were explicitly told to be silent just to clear that up.
The reason for this as back then, boys were brought up learning about the torah, religious laws etc whilst females were trained in domestic things. Gender roles were always a thing and so Paul knowing that women didn't have the same knowledge as men on some things cleared it up by telling women to be silent in church.
No sexism or discrimination here, just your insecure and victim mentality mindset. God loves us all equally.
@@edensgardenynwa give me an example
you might wanna throw in the towel on this one
it must be pre assumed that husbands are smarter than women because then the verse woudln't make sense unless god wants us not to know
it is sexist to have different rules for men and women where one can't do the same as the other, and to assume that husbands are smarter than women
"It's not supposed to be sexist, it's supposed to be beautiful"
There's nothing beautiful in discriminatijg against someone for their sex, when both the mana nd woman can ask questions and learn
God did not say it it is hearsay. Got it
You’re using your own interpretation to justify your god’s words and actions. It won’t be happy with you on your judgement day. Tut tut.
Why only women tho? The man is the teacher to the woman but what if the woman knows more then the man? She must be silent and hes ignroant to this beautiful grace you talk about? It would've been better to say Be silent and listen when the word of jesus is being spoke unto or something like that but no its exclusively women and your interpretation doesnt make since because that doesnt change between whos listening and not. Its PROBABLY because that part of the bible was writen by sexist men makes more sense then your story.
Sad how you type all this nonsense without knowing anything. Men grew up learning about Jewish law and religious practices which is why they were usually the religious teachers. Women took on domestic duties and generally knew less about the religious practices hence why Paul had to clarify to them that they couldnt talk. No sexism involved, just your slow mentality. Women were singing and praying at church. The silence was only during teachings.
You sound like you are just making things up.
@@danielmurtin2911 that’s a legitimate way to judge an argument…….,
@@VelchinLab Yup.
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