is the banggood link what you intended? for me its only offering the full kit goggles air and radio... i had assumed this was the goggles and 2 air unit link
AndyRC I am totally new at this, Titan DC5 waiting to be flown, flying in all the available sims, looking forward to use my goggles with the sim and with my TinyHawk, before I attempt to crash my Titan. Very interested to know how to use the goggles with the sim now. What changed? And also, what is the cheapest decent Fatshark receiver module just so I can FPV my TinyHawk, don’t want to spend much as I will be focusing on digital, but don’t want to buy separate goggles just for the training phase on my TinyHawk. Hope you can shed some light. Excellent video BTW, glad to be a subscriber!
I own the system but didn't know any of that. Thanks so much for all the information and recommendations. Your videos are a treasure for the community.
Hey Andy I'm writing just to say that, as someone new to this hobby, I'm watching a lot of videos from a lot of different people about fpv. Most of the most viewed channels are annoying and full of unuseful banter. You are by far the most informative and your videos highlight the real pros and cons of what you're reviewing, while keeping it "professional" and clean. Thank you for the hard work !
Too funny. This afternoon, I went inside after a half pack, and shelved my black X Air, and two stubbies, swapping the stock antennas back onto my goggles. i was just tired of the funky mess pointing around, and the totally questionable/inconsistent gains I had experienced. Top channel, Andy. Thanks for the quality information.
Just got my dji finally.. and have to say.... you're a beast!... thank you for such video, well presented and very usefull., btw! hold on budy, things would get better soon!!! Keep up the great job Andy, you rock!
On that note, Andy, I totally agree with you, let us get rid of silly regulations and enjoy the flying more as anything. Thanks for learning me something today.
Hi . I use DJI FPV Remote Controller binned with the air unit . I suppose the embedded receiver uses the same two antennas the air unit uses to transmit to the goggles . Is it normal at about 1750 m from home position , to have a fail safe event ( FCC and LOS ) ?
Nice work. This is exactly the reason RP-SMA was developed for wi-fi routers to comply with government regs and make it hard for the end user to swap transmitting antennas.
Very happy that Caddx has come out with their own module. Gives me another reason to hold off and wait for either a smaller module unit or a runcam/foxeer version. kicking the can down the road ftw!
Glad someone is finally putting this stuff on a good video. I've commented on some of this, but of course, that doesn't spread the word as well as a good channel like yours. And while I agree that the stock antennas do a pretty awesome job, I think many antenna tests are flawed because they match aftermarket antennas on the goggles with stock antennas on the quad or the other way around. The stock DJI antennas seem to be barely circular polarized, which is why a linear antenna can work so well with them. So when you put aftermarket antennas on one device, but leave stock antennas on the other, you have a polarization mismatch and degraded performance, or at least degraded possibilities. In my testing, stock/stock does not perform as well as an aftermarket/aftermarket setup. Granted, I haven't tested a bando but my testing environment has some multi-pathing and penetration. I think for a bando, you want good omnis on both sides to catch the multi-pathing versus a patch which tries for penetration. What I have settled on for my type of flying is TrueRC Singularities on the goggles, and VAS Minon Pro on the quad. In my "bad spot", the stock setup dips into the teens for bitrate, but with the aftermarket, I don't get below 20Mbit. I originally bought the Singularties because they are compact. I didn't really expect much out of them performance wise, but was pleasantly surprised. They beat my testing of Lollipops, SkyHammers, Cyclops, and Pagodas. I wouldn't doubt your meter readings so much. If you look, it is getting around 80% duty cycle on the quad side. If you consider the data flow, there is far more data going to the goggles. Most of what they are doing is acks. With it set on "peak", it is not considering the duty cycle. Also, your readings match the FCC testing. Their "Maximum Conducted Power" tests shows around 22dbm per connector, which is almost exactly what you were showing (160mw). I have done the same tests with the same meter. Some folks like to discount that meter because of JB's testing that had poorly performing pigtails. But when it matches the FCC testing,.... I believe that the power discrepancy is in DJI's "fuzzy math". In the FCC testing, they count the maximum power as two antennas added together since the system is MIMO. When you add antenna gain to 160mw and double it, it puts you pretty close to 700mw. Also, DJI's stated power in the FCC docs is slightly higher than the measured,.... which you would kinda expect them to undershoot actuals when talking to the government. Since you have so much info on it, I assume you already have read the FCC testing, but for anyone who hasn't, google these. goggle FCC ID ss3-p1gs1902 air unit FCC ID ss3-p1as1901 remote control FCC ID SS3-P1RC1901
I've done AXII's on the quad, but I never tried their goggle setup. Singularities are good enough for all of my current flying. I stay pegged on 25Mbit. I have Minion Pro on the quad.
I just bought the DJI FPV System along with an Air Unit and a Caddx Vista. I'm excited about this tech because I am a filmmaker. I have owned multiple DJI UAS that provide a great live image in stabilized flight or in hover, but as incredible as DJI systems have been, they have always lacked the ability to fly a camera the way that FPV Freestyle and Racing pilots fly theirs. Unless they are working on a production with large budgets, or have healthy resources to fund their pursuits, most FPV pilots haven't had an accessible system available that provided a reliable and robust digital signal to the pilot, and met all of the other technical requirements for various lightweight unmanned aerial systems. A massive and growing community of pilots will be benefiting from this technology, and even with the inevitability of whatever trade-offs must be made, this is already a pretty big winner. This system has been a long time coming, and will be part of a new era moving cameras through space. The master pilots that haven't gotten too many views on their old analog DVR FPV clips will now be able to blow your mind. From the back woods to the back lots, this system is going to make some DPs into heroes, because they hired that kid down the street to shoot the Audi commercial, and the kid's been practicing with the DJI system, so he can get the shot in one take. :) Putting a live camera into the action of FPV Freestyle, Cinewhoop, FPV Racing, X-Class and other sports that we're seeing emerge requires systems like this to enable broad and universal exposure. An analog FPV signal is typically not what a broadcaster is looking for from an event, and GoPro footage is great, but can be expensive or problematic to capture live from something as light and nimble an acro drone. Production companies have built compact FPV drone systems that are equipped for live broadcast for use in filming motorsports and other events in Europe, but some of those drones cost in excess of $10,000 when fully equipped to fly. That's in addition to the equipment in the OB truck and operators, which process and broadcasts the signals, and the team that both flies and supports the fleet of drones. A single event can involve two producers, four camera operators, two editors, two graphic artists, three pilots, and three flight crew, or many, many more. These products are starting to change that. For the little guys, the big, guys, and everyone in between. Even if you're flying a bigger camera this system can be used to confirm shots, etc. The signal is very robust, and the image is fine as a live view monitor. Since this has extremely low latency you could use it to direct the camera, then use a Teradek or Connex with higher latency to get the main camera image. Have fun! I'll be busy for a bit as I plan all the fun I'm going to have with the DJI FPV System at the race track, and Pikes Peak, and the reservoir... Yeeeee Haaaaw!
Now I get to put together some of my analog quads and radios to give to friends that want to try it out! That's a nice side benefit to adopting a new platform...gifts to friends. It's why I never really sell anything. I was in a horrible car accident last Wednesday, so now my back is a bruised and strained mess currently and I have to take muscle relaxants at night, so I feel just a tiny bit loopy. That may explain the very impromptu DJI endorsement above. (My wife read this and seems to think that I'm okay, and can't wait until I can get back out to fly my drones. She's very nice.) Cheers, guys. I'm glad we had this talk.
You my friend are a pro how could anyone give you a 👎 they clearly have no knowledge of our sport. Thanks so much and again I learned alot frm you. Saying careful flying bud. C ya John frm fla.
Alot of good information here Andy! Your discovery at 7:08 that the google's does not transmit when there is no air unit powered on means that it's possible to use analog input without dji antennas connected or may it suddenly start transmitting if discovered another 5.8 ghz signal?
This is v1, right? Would it make sense to put on the TX mounts a pagoda and a patch, just as I do for my analog setup on the v2? Same for rx mounts: mix a pagoda and a patch. Most people I see using either two patch antennas or just two omni antennas on both tx and rx mounts... ? Is the image constructed the same as with rapidfire technology, or the antenna selection is more basic in the DJI goggles?
I have bought a dji and protek35 backpack. I had no idea the extra antennas which are the menace lhcp did what they do, so they’ll be going straight on. There was also a red unit bolted to the side called achilles with the same lead as the one in the vid. i removed this, didnt know what it was for or how to use it. Seems I have a bought a fair bit of kit at a great price i just use the std antennas, have jacked the output up to 700mw on my caddax unit but get pixelation at about 180m lowish height behind trees. I’ll try the menace and see of there is a difference. It has been suggested I change the antenna on the caddax unit to a taller one as it doesnt stick up very high. Are these 5.8ghz? and what should i look for
Hey Andy, I don't fly bandos but simply want to extend my range ability. Have you tested both these in simple range tests and if so, which set-up do you recommend?? Thanks.
My didn’t explode cause I tried before but I was turned away after keeping up with some acronyms then I knew. “This requires a class a whole separate class!”. 😆. Good job explaining the difference in experiences. Thanks
Hello AndyRC. I can't seem to locate the dji corrective len section on the dji store, not even at the search bar. Please adive and thx per request. Perhaps you can send me the link. Btw, I am in the US
This is specific to the Video transmission, correct? Hence why to leave those two antenna on the air unit? I plan to use Crossfire for my DJI setup with the micro transmitter and the crossfire nano rx on board. Great video!
thank you very much for this video...i learned a lot. with all these new products it is kind hard to decide what to get. my first concern is if i buy dji fpv air combo with goggles and transmitter will i be able to use 700mw in europe?(i guess at the moment it is an easy software mod but what if dji decides lock that option?do we stuck with only 25?)the other concern is....should someone buy dji transmitter if starting from scratch or get a taranis x9d se 2019 or even a tango2 and use air unit only as vtx....my head is about to explode indeed....keep up the great work
Question.... if the top antennas send+receive and the bottom ones only receive , why don’t we place two different type of antenna as we do on current analog modules? I would try a patch and a stubby on the top antennas and same for the bottoms. In this way you are also using the capability of a patch antenna in the transmitting ones.
Because they don't work in diversiry like analogue they are all collecting data so if either of the top two or bottom two have a different antenna then only the strongest gain will collect the most data
Very interesting stuff Andy. I have no problem with the stock antennas, but I did notice that the stock air unit antennas are not very durable. I mean, I'm actually very easy on my gear. But I literally clipped a twig flying under a tree and one of the caps came off. Do you know if the cap itself works in the polarization (like on some VAS antennas)? Or is the cap just plain plastic and all the of the antenna elements are on the inner portion only? Most of my other antennas will take a beating before losing a cap.
Andy - good video but i got a bit lost as new to FPV. Can i ask what you would swap as a start ? i lost my drone last week due to DJI air unit reception failure
What if you use maxis on top since it’s upgrade for dji antennas ? And the bottom true rc ? Bc I have to rc I will try stock on top and RC at the bottom see what happens
You've metioned that googles antennas are left hand polarised - do I have to put antennas with the same polarisation onair unit or I can use right hand polarised?
Great video as always Andy. Just wondering if there is an optimal orientation of the air unit antenna pair? I’m working out how to install this in my Lentus glider, ideally I want to keep the antenna hidden but don’t want to compromise too much on performance.
@@AndyRCchannel thanks! Seems to have defaulted to 700mW so I’ll see how it goes. Looking good on the initial flights. Just need some nice weather now!
HI Andy, fellow UK flyer/complete noobie here. What a steep learning curve this all is, my head is about to explode. Anyway im not sure if you mentioned it but when purchasing the extender kits there are three options. SMA to SMA SMA to RPSMA RPSMA to RPSMA what would be the correct one to get with the menace PICO?
Can you please give an advice on your Future videos and relate to having a amateur ham radio license in UK Makes life easy oh any better for flying long-distance or change power output!.
lots of thing, if you change the channel on the goggles then it sends it to the air unit. It sends the record commands. Pid settings, camera changes. But way more which I will cover in another video
Thanks Andy! One question. Since only the top antennas of the DJI goggles are transmitting microwaves, would it be safe to have patch antennas on the bottom only, such as the Iflight crystal patch, and use stock antennas on the top?
I'm waiting to get mine, to put it on an Opterra 2m flying wing. The type of "flying thing" doesn't have much bearing on the RF Tx and Rx performance. Go for what Andy recommends. The best way to improve performance of this system, or any RF system, would be to get the antenna up and away from the goggles/head themselves. I would love to be able to separate the goggle screen gubbins from the RF gubbins and place the RF gubbins on a 5 metre pole. And range/performance is less about Tx power, more about Rx sensitivity and Rx ability to discriminate the signal it wants from other signals and the noise floor.
I fly long range fixed wing at 700mW and have found that a True RC X-Air connected to the top 2 antennas gives about 3 times the range of using the stock antennas. Leaving 2 stock antennas on the bottom 2 positions gives good omni reception when behind or vertically above me. I get 3 bars signal strength and 25mbps at 2.5km.
MatTheKnife 13 hi - the ones shown at 10.20 where Andy says they cost a fortune. I bought one for £47 which connects to the 2 top antenna positions and is brilliant. In fact several others in our club have done the same. Dramatic range improvement.
@@alanpaul1234 Thanks for the quick answer, did you try using only two of those, what were the results if you did, compared to the setup you just explained?
@@spanthyx Hi, I have only tried using one True RC X-Air antenna, but this has 2 patch antennas built in and 2 connectors that connect to the top 2 positions. I left the stock DJI antennas on the bottom to get good coverage above and behind me. This combination works really well - check out my test flight video and I could have gone a lot further but didn't fancy a long walk if anything went wrong LOL ua-cam.com/video/jY3FM8tmH_Y/v-deo.html
Hi Andy, this is off topic but I have a question concerning listening to the audio from the DJI quad setup via an ear bud. Is possible? What are the options and finally what would be the setup? Thanks!
Is there any difference in using all RHCP? It probably doesn't make much of a difference to the total costs, but I have a ton of RHCP antenna I could re-use.
Great video Andy... I learned alot on this one. I have a question related to the dji fpv system.... is there anyway I can stream what I'm seeing in real time from the googles to a tablet ( so that others can see what I'm seeing while I'm flying) ?
I have always said the stock DJI ant are absolutely perfect for everyday hobby use. I know its not "cool" but ...I do like the Lumineer Axii because of the size 1 the V2.0 Occusinc RE Goggles came with linear "post" antenna. I am considering trying them ! I now take one DJI 5" kwad everyday to the field. The DJI tx. The DJI goggles. AND ITS PERFECT !! I AM getting excellent range. Beautiful video experience. LOVE the TX !!! Builds are so easy ...wow !! we are all SO SO lucky ! what an amazing leap in technology ! THANK YOU ANDY and THANK YOU DJI !! I still fly my Phantom 4 and Mavic Pro. No matter what regulations come it will not take away from the joy of flying FPV !!
Thanks Andy and thumbs up on another one of your great videos. I learned a lot and having been a mobile phone network technician once in my past, I could connect to DJI's choice of technology, so thanks for diving into some details.
Hi @AndyRC, Is this still your advice for the best antenna combo with DJI goggle? MenaceRC PICO on the bottom and stocks on the top? Isn't the best combo a double TRUERC X air (but much more expensive)? and in what flight condition?
multipathing just means reflections so it would help standing inside the building for sure If mimo is being used in that way although DJI indicated to me that they arnt using MIMO for that use. Turning down the power output of analogue indoors will reduce multipathing reflections. But the bando exploring I do with analogue is usually done standing outside the building and this for me is what HD fpv needs to match what analogue can do. It seems that two omnis on the transmitting antennas on the goggles helps this.
I mean the ones that came with the Goggles. Those 4 small antennaes are very close to each other, it would make sense to me that adding an extender to each, even if only 10cm would help improve the signal.
@@TheEviling I would say not because even though the menace extenders have a very low loss. omni antennas have a lower gain than patch antennas so the loss of adding an extention is bigger than on higher gain patch antennas. But you can try it. Id be surprised to see an improvement but this DJI system is full of surprises
Most of the communications world calls TDD...TDMA time division multiplexing access, as opposed to dedicated FDMA frequency division. Google searches or you tube ones might yield better results using TDMA. Just sayin...either way, another great issue. You’re rocking it, and I enjoy all your posts
Wait a minute, so The TrueRC stubby LHCP antennas AREN'T safe to use? what about 2 TRueRC stubbies with one TrueRC X-air/URUAV Triple Feed Patch antenna? O:
The higher gain on the goggle transmitters are probably fooling the air unit into thinking the quad is closer to you than it really is so it drops the output power a bit to save on battery. The googles most likely don't do the same as you generally have plenty of power in them to last a day so they stick to whatever transmit power you set.
Thanks RC Master, Andy :D. btw, have you ever experience freezing video with this DJI digital system? At the same time, the dvr and air unit just stop recording. It just happen to me randomly and I dont know what's the problem, and how to solve this issue. T.T. hope you have some clue.
@@AndyRCchannel Thanks for your reply, I'm using sandisk 32gb extreme pro microsd. Is that microSD support the system? btw, whenever the video freeze, it will never come back live again. my goggle not receive anything from the air unit, so i must take off the google and land the quad LOS. Im not sure, but one of my friend tell me about dji issue switching public channel, but i don't get the point. any idea? btw, are you using public channel to fly your dji quad?
@@aldojonathan4367 that card should be good. Are you running the latest firmware? something else that causes lock ups is brown outs. This is where the power source to the air unit cannot provide enough power and the device resets. Its been known that some BECS on flight controllers give false ratings and actually dont maintain a stable voltage under a punch out and causes the airunit to reset. the same can happen if you have the air unit powered direct from the battery and the voltage sag of the battery takes away the current needed for the air unit.
AndyRC i believe, i’m running the latest firmware (10.2, just check it on 13st jan 2020). But since you ask me about the latest firmware, i check it again, and wow, there is 10.3 🤣 LOL. Now im going to update the firmware first, and hope it solves the bug(maybe) thanks a lot Andy 🙏🏻
I'm really divided on going digital or analog for my first fpv quad. The quality and range is very appealing, but being a "gamer" i really understand how latency can make a massive difference.. being that items such as tinywhoops cant be digital : what would you recommend for a new pilot to the scene? Along or digital?
As usual, informative, well researched, and very interesting. Thanks Andy. I replaced my stock antennas with the TrueRC Singularity, only because it is a smaller form factor and easier to transport, as I don't like keep taking the antennas on and off.
Hey Andy. I think this is the first video to do with fpv that I have watched from start to finish! Quick Question, if the antennas were all in the same price range, what would you find best to use? X Air Maybe?
Hey andyrc. Its a little late but i would like to know if this was based on the V1 or the V2. Thanks for all the content mate and keep up the good work 👌🖖
Owning both now I can definitely say DJI! It's an absolute benefit having so much better view in freestyle because that's we do freestyling for: the immersive look through the goggles. And it raises the confidence in your flying when you can see any obstacles in your path and don't have to guess! In racing it may be different. You know your track and not only the flight itself matters but also the results so you can make some tradeoff to have a faster machine. Analogue is still better for reducing weight and has lower latency.
Sadly i think they only sell them in the uk. I looked for them myself you should be able to get semi rigid extenders in your country however menace make them with the least amount of loss. They should still work for patches
Yes in Eu you can change antennas, but in here there is thing called EIRP. Your transmitter power + Antennas Gain power is the max power you can transmit. 2.4Ghz it is 100mW about 20dBm. 5Ghz it is 25mW 5.5has DSF-channel rules but in there you can transmit 1W EIRP about 30dBm. So it is dBm+dBi. I think All transmitter here are forced to transmit 25mW. So no antenna changes yes for 2.4Ghz you can but max 6dBi antenna. And for 5.5Ghz 16dBi, but with 5.5 You have to deal with DFS connection cuts. Other frequencies even with usual 5.8 it is 25mW EIRP.
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is the banggood link what you intended? for me its only offering the full kit goggles air and radio... i had assumed this was the goggles and 2 air unit link
@@TheMadmacs yes looks like they are out of the two air unit deal but its still a £200 saving if i were to buy from a shop in the UK
@@AndyRCchannel yeah even banggood price was higher before they ran out of 2 air unit deal, this is basically a free radio.
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AndyRC I am totally new at this, Titan DC5 waiting to be flown, flying in all the available sims, looking forward to use my goggles with the sim and with my TinyHawk, before I attempt to crash my Titan. Very interested to know how to use the goggles with the sim now. What changed? And also, what is the cheapest decent Fatshark receiver module just so I can FPV my TinyHawk, don’t want to spend much as I will be focusing on digital, but don’t want to buy separate goggles just for the training phase on my TinyHawk. Hope you can shed some light. Excellent video BTW, glad to be a subscriber!
Just want to say....... What a fantastic, well researched, professionally presented video.
Very impressed.
thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers
I own the system but didn't know any of that. Thanks so much for all the information and recommendations. Your videos are a treasure for the community.
This had way more info than the title was leading me to believe. GREAT STUFF!
Hey Andy I'm writing just to say that, as someone new to this hobby, I'm watching a lot of videos from a lot of different people about fpv. Most of the most viewed channels are annoying and full of unuseful banter. You are by far the most informative and your videos highlight the real pros and cons of what you're reviewing, while keeping it "professional" and clean. Thank you for the hard work !
thanks for the feedback much appreciated. cheers
"best antenna setups" begins at 9:12
Very informative video. Question: Is there an update after 2 years? Or are these antennas the thing to look for?
Too funny. This afternoon, I went inside after a half pack, and shelved my black X Air, and two stubbies, swapping the stock antennas back onto my goggles. i was just tired of the funky mess pointing around, and the totally questionable/inconsistent gains I had experienced. Top channel, Andy. Thanks for the quality information.
u got it. Cheers thanks for watching
Just got my dji finally.. and have to say.... you're a beast!... thank you for such video, well presented and very usefull., btw! hold on budy, things would get better soon!!! Keep up the great job Andy, you rock!
This is what I was looking for. Background information without the whole analog vs. digital chatter. Thank you so much!
On that note, Andy, I totally agree with you, let us get rid of silly regulations and enjoy the flying more as anything. Thanks for learning me something today.
Hi . I use DJI FPV Remote Controller binned with the air unit . I suppose the embedded receiver uses the same two antennas the air unit uses to transmit to the goggles . Is it normal at about 1750 m from home position , to have a fail safe event ( FCC and LOS ) ?
best explanation i have watched for dji antenna system.
Nice work. This is exactly the reason RP-SMA was developed for wi-fi routers to comply with government regs and make it hard for the end user to swap transmitting antennas.
Very happy that Caddx has come out with their own module. Gives me another reason to hold off and wait for either a smaller module unit or a runcam/foxeer version. kicking the can down the road ftw!
yes pretty exciting. Hoping there wont be range issues with the single antenna. We shall have to see
Glad someone is finally putting this stuff on a good video. I've commented on some of this, but of course, that doesn't spread the word as well as a good channel like yours. And while I agree that the stock antennas do a pretty awesome job, I think many antenna tests are flawed because they match aftermarket antennas on the goggles with stock antennas on the quad or the other way around. The stock DJI antennas seem to be barely circular polarized, which is why a linear antenna can work so well with them. So when you put aftermarket antennas on one device, but leave stock antennas on the other, you have a polarization mismatch and degraded performance, or at least degraded possibilities. In my testing, stock/stock does not perform as well as an aftermarket/aftermarket setup. Granted, I haven't tested a bando but my testing environment has some multi-pathing and penetration. I think for a bando, you want good omnis on both sides to catch the multi-pathing versus a patch which tries for penetration. What I have settled on for my type of flying is TrueRC Singularities on the goggles, and VAS Minon Pro on the quad. In my "bad spot", the stock setup dips into the teens for bitrate, but with the aftermarket, I don't get below 20Mbit. I originally bought the Singularties because they are compact. I didn't really expect much out of them performance wise, but was pleasantly surprised. They beat my testing of Lollipops, SkyHammers, Cyclops, and Pagodas.
I wouldn't doubt your meter readings so much. If you look, it is getting around 80% duty cycle on the quad side. If you consider the data flow, there is far more data going to the goggles. Most of what they are doing is acks. With it set on "peak", it is not considering the duty cycle. Also, your readings match the FCC testing. Their "Maximum Conducted Power" tests shows around 22dbm per connector, which is almost exactly what you were showing (160mw). I have done the same tests with the same meter. Some folks like to discount that meter because of JB's testing that had poorly performing pigtails. But when it matches the FCC testing,.... I believe that the power discrepancy is in DJI's "fuzzy math". In the FCC testing, they count the maximum power as two antennas added together since the system is MIMO. When you add antenna gain to 160mw and double it, it puts you pretty close to 700mw. Also, DJI's stated power in the FCC docs is slightly higher than the measured,.... which you would kinda expect them to undershoot actuals when talking to the government.
Since you have so much info on it, I assume you already have read the FCC testing, but for anyone who hasn't, google these.
goggle FCC ID ss3-p1gs1902
air unit FCC ID ss3-p1as1901
remote control FCC ID SS3-P1RC1901
Nice comment! Are you still using the singularities, did you try the Lumenier axII 2 setup?
I've done AXII's on the quad, but I never tried their goggle setup. Singularities are good enough for all of my current flying. I stay pegged on 25Mbit. I have Minion Pro on the quad.
Any update to this?? I’d love a comparison with the maple wireless mjorlin and the truer air2 the crystal and of course axii hd 2.
I just bought the DJI FPV System along with an Air Unit and a Caddx Vista. I'm excited about this tech because I am a filmmaker. I have owned multiple DJI UAS that provide a great live image in stabilized flight or in hover, but as incredible as DJI systems have been, they have always lacked the ability to fly a camera the way that FPV Freestyle and Racing pilots fly theirs. Unless they are working on a production with large budgets, or have healthy resources to fund their pursuits, most FPV pilots haven't had an accessible system available that provided a reliable and robust digital signal to the pilot, and met all of the other technical requirements for various lightweight unmanned aerial systems. A massive and growing community of pilots will be benefiting from this technology, and even with the inevitability of whatever trade-offs must be made, this is already a pretty big winner. This system has been a long time coming, and will be part of a new era moving cameras through space. The master pilots that haven't gotten too many views on their old analog DVR FPV clips will now be able to blow your mind.
From the back woods to the back lots, this system is going to make some DPs into heroes, because they hired that kid down the street to shoot the Audi commercial, and the kid's been practicing with the DJI system, so he can get the shot in one take. :)
Putting a live camera into the action of FPV Freestyle, Cinewhoop, FPV Racing, X-Class and other sports that we're seeing emerge requires systems like this to enable broad and universal exposure. An analog FPV signal is typically not what a broadcaster is looking for from an event, and GoPro footage is great, but can be expensive or problematic to capture live from something as light and nimble an acro drone. Production companies have built compact FPV drone systems that are equipped for live broadcast for use in filming motorsports and other events in Europe, but some of those drones cost in excess of $10,000 when fully equipped to fly. That's in addition to the equipment in the OB truck and operators, which process and broadcasts the signals, and the team that both flies and supports the fleet of drones. A single event can involve two producers, four camera operators, two editors, two graphic artists, three pilots, and three flight crew, or many, many more.
These products are starting to change that. For the little guys, the big, guys, and everyone in between. Even if you're flying a bigger camera this system can be used to confirm shots, etc. The signal is very robust, and the image is fine as a live view monitor. Since this has extremely low latency you could use it to direct the camera, then use a Teradek or Connex with higher latency to get the main camera image.
Have fun! I'll be busy for a bit as I plan all the fun I'm going to have with the DJI FPV System at the race track, and Pikes Peak, and the reservoir... Yeeeee Haaaaw!
Now I get to put together some of my analog quads and radios to give to friends that want to try it out! That's a nice side benefit to adopting a new platform...gifts to friends. It's why I never really sell anything.
I was in a horrible car accident last Wednesday, so now my back is a bruised and strained mess currently and I have to take muscle relaxants at night, so I feel just a tiny bit loopy. That may explain the very impromptu DJI endorsement above.
(My wife read this and seems to think that I'm okay, and can't wait until I can get back out to fly my drones. She's very nice.)
Cheers, guys. I'm glad we had this talk.
You my friend are a pro how could anyone give you a 👎 they clearly have no knowledge of our sport. Thanks so much and again I learned alot frm you. Saying careful flying bud. C ya John frm fla.
Alot of good information here Andy! Your discovery at 7:08 that the google's does not transmit when there is no air unit powered on means that it's possible to use analog input without dji antennas connected or may it suddenly start transmitting if discovered another 5.8 ghz signal?
This is v1, right?
Would it make sense to put on the TX mounts a pagoda and a patch, just as I do for my analog setup on the v2? Same for rx mounts: mix a pagoda and a patch.
Most people I see using either two patch antennas or just two omni antennas on both tx and rx mounts... ?
Is the image constructed the same as with rapidfire technology, or the antenna selection is more basic in the DJI goggles?
I have bought a dji and protek35 backpack. I had no idea the extra antennas which are the menace lhcp did what they do, so they’ll be going straight on. There was also a red unit bolted to the side called achilles with the same lead as the one in the vid. i removed this, didnt know what it was for or how to use it.
Seems I have a bought a fair bit of kit at a great price i just use the std antennas, have jacked the output up to 700mw on my caddax unit but get pixelation at about 180m lowish height behind trees. I’ll try the menace and see of there is a difference. It has been suggested I change the antenna on the caddax unit to a taller one as it doesnt stick up very high. Are these 5.8ghz? and what should i look for
Very new to this and looking for the best antennas for flying indoors/long range indoors. Any recommendations?
Great video. Just got into the hobby and went the DJI route. Appreciate the advice!
I'm going for the Dji gear aswell, except the radio as not keen on the design of it. I've ordered the Jumper T18 Pro radio.
Can you tell me where you got the white 3D printed case that surrounds the analog RX on the side of the goggles ?
There still is the analogue delay when using analog in, no?
The camera you show has 2 antennas but the links only have one.
what the difference in RHCP or LHCP idk which to get, does it matter, should they be all the same polarization if i choose one style over the other??
Hey Andy, I don't fly bandos but simply want to extend my range ability. Have you tested both these in simple range tests and if so, which set-up do you recommend?? Thanks.
My didn’t explode cause I tried before but I was turned away after keeping up with some acronyms then I knew. “This requires a class a whole separate class!”. 😆. Good job explaining the difference in experiences. Thanks
Hello AndyRC. I can't seem to locate the dji corrective len section on the dji store, not even at the search bar. Please adive and thx per request. Perhaps you can send me the link. Btw, I am in the US
for the bottom pair of antennas, does it matter whether the pair is LHCP or RHCP ?
Would you recommend this same setup of yours for the Walksnail Avatar HD system? Thanks!
This is specific to the Video transmission, correct? Hence why to leave those two antenna on the air unit? I plan to use Crossfire for my DJI setup with the micro transmitter and the crossfire nano rx on board. Great video!
Do you know if there will be the capability to record gps location telemetry on the digital feed?
thank you very much for this video...i learned a lot. with all these new products it is kind hard to decide what to get. my first concern is if i buy dji fpv air combo with goggles and transmitter will i be able to use 700mw in europe?(i guess at the moment it is an easy software mod but what if dji decides lock that option?do we stuck with only 25?)the other concern is....should someone buy dji transmitter if starting from scratch or get a taranis x9d se 2019 or even a tango2 and use air unit only as vtx....my head is about to explode indeed....keep up the great work
Question.... if the top antennas send+receive and the bottom ones only receive , why don’t we place two different type of antenna as we do on current analog modules? I would try a patch and a stubby on the top antennas and same for the bottoms. In this way you are also using the capability of a patch antenna in the transmitting ones.
Because they don't work in diversiry like analogue they are all collecting data so if either of the top two or bottom two have a different antenna then only the strongest gain will collect the most data
Very interesting stuff Andy. I have no problem with the stock antennas, but I did notice that the stock air unit antennas are not very durable. I mean, I'm actually very easy on my gear. But I literally clipped a twig flying under a tree and one of the caps came off. Do you know if the cap itself works in the polarization (like on some VAS antennas)? Or is the cap just plain plastic and all the of the antenna elements are on the inner portion only? Most of my other antennas will take a beating before losing a cap.
Andy - good video but i got a bit lost as new to FPV. Can i ask what you would swap as a start ? i lost my drone last week due to DJI air unit reception failure
Thanks again. We love you, Andy.
What if you use maxis on top since it’s upgrade for dji antennas ? And the bottom true rc ? Bc I have to rc I will try stock on top and RC at the bottom see what happens
Can you do a video on the dji fpv transmitter and antennas please
Do they make goggles for a DJI air 2s
Is there a possibility of adding a booster on both ends to get past the 4 Mile mark? If you read the threads on rcgroups 4 miles is where it cuts off.
You've metioned that googles antennas are left hand polarised - do I have to put antennas with the same polarisation onair unit or I can use right hand polarised?
You need to use left-hand polarised
Great video as always Andy. Just wondering if there is an optimal orientation of the air unit antenna pair? I’m working out how to install this in my Lentus glider, ideally I want to keep the antenna hidden but don’t want to compromise too much on performance.
not really honestly. if you are using full power like everyone is iv even had them hidden in a plane and not a single break up
@@AndyRCchannel thanks! Seems to have defaulted to 700mW so I’ll see how it goes. Looking good on the initial flights. Just need some nice weather now!
HI Andy, fellow UK flyer/complete noobie here. What a steep learning curve this all is, my head is about to explode. Anyway im not sure if you mentioned it but when purchasing the extender kits there are three options.
SMA to SMA
SMA to RPSMA
RPSMA to RPSMA
what would be the correct one to get with the menace PICO?
Can you turn the TrueRC X-Air 180° and use them on just the bottom ones?
You can but they will face in the same direction so you won't have as much coverage
Why trueRC suggest to connect the patch antenna to two top SMA horizontally when not used in pair (2x2) ?
So I don’t destroy the goggle, when activate the air unit and don’t have attached antennas at goggle ?
Thanks Guess I'll put mine back on. I'll be printing the Analog holder for my RapidFire
Love your vid's brother
I almost had a stroke trying to understand all of this. I will watch is all 40 times that it takes me to understand this. Great review.
So did I when i was given the information! thanks for watching
Can you please give an advice on your Future videos and relate to having a amateur ham radio license in UK Makes life easy oh any better for flying long-distance or change power output!.
The only thing i like to know is what are these upper antenna sending?
lots of thing, if you change the channel on the goggles then it sends it to the air unit. It sends the record commands. Pid settings, camera changes. But way more which I will cover in another video
@@AndyRCchannel thanks for the answer man
Does it work with kiss fc yet?
Where can i get DJI adapters?
Thanks Andy! One question. Since only the top antennas of the DJI goggles are transmitting microwaves, would it be safe to have patch antennas on the bottom only, such as the Iflight crystal patch, and use stock antennas on the top?
Andy, which antenna extension is required for the menace? SMA-SMA, RPSMA - SMA or RPSMA - RPSMA ? TIA
Hi Andy, great video. Could I ask what antennas would you recommend for a flying wing setup with dji digital system?
I'm waiting to get mine, to put it on an Opterra 2m flying wing. The type of "flying thing" doesn't have much bearing on the RF Tx and Rx performance. Go for what Andy recommends. The best way to improve performance of this system, or any RF system, would be to get the antenna up and away from the goggles/head themselves. I would love to be able to separate the goggle screen gubbins from the RF gubbins and place the RF gubbins on a 5 metre pole. And range/performance is less about Tx power, more about Rx sensitivity and Rx ability to discriminate the signal it wants from other signals and the noise floor.
Andy your videos are the best! On point, so informative! 🙏
I fly long range fixed wing at 700mW and have found that a True RC X-Air connected to the top 2 antennas gives about 3 times the range of using the stock antennas. Leaving 2 stock antennas on the bottom 2 positions gives good omni reception when behind or vertically above me. I get 3 bars signal strength and 25mbps at 2.5km.
Do you mean the X2-Air, the ones on the thumbnail?
MatTheKnife 13 hi - the ones shown at 10.20 where Andy says they cost a fortune. I bought one for £47 which connects to the 2 top antenna positions and is brilliant. In fact several others in our club have done the same. Dramatic range improvement.
@@alanpaul1234 Thanks for the quick answer, did you try using only two of those, what were the results if you did, compared to the setup you just explained?
@@spanthyx Hi, I have only tried using one True RC X-Air antenna, but this has 2 patch antennas built in and 2 connectors that connect to the top 2 positions. I left the stock DJI antennas on the bottom to get good coverage above and behind me. This combination works really well - check out my test flight video and I could have gone a lot further but didn't fancy a long walk if anything went wrong LOL ua-cam.com/video/jY3FM8tmH_Y/v-deo.html
Hi Andy, this is off topic but I have a question concerning listening to the audio from the DJI quad setup via an ear bud. Is possible? What are the options and finally what would be the setup? Thanks!
What antenna brand name for goggles v2 can I buy bro?
Is there any difference in using all RHCP? It probably doesn't make much of a difference to the total costs, but I have a ton of RHCP antenna I could re-use.
There is no difference as long as they are matching
hi andy would this set up with two menace antennas be good for forest and woodland flying or is there a better option? thx
I just ordered the VAS Cyclops antenna for mine. It was on clearance for 34 bucks.
Great video Andy... I learned alot on this one.
I have a question related to the dji fpv system.... is there anyway I can stream what I'm seeing in real time from the googles to a tablet ( so that others can see what I'm seeing while I'm flying) ?
No not yet
@@AndyRCchannel cheers for your speedy reply. Enjoy the rest of your weekend buddy
Thank you for this video! All your videos are amazing, thank you!!!!!
Just ordered cause of your vid! Stoked to see how it works!
iflght crystal hd patch should they be connected to top or bottom ?
Depends if u have the V1 or v2. I just use stock these days as there is no benefit
I have always said the stock DJI ant are absolutely perfect for everyday hobby use. I know its not "cool" but ...I do like the Lumineer Axii because of the size 1 the V2.0 Occusinc RE Goggles came with linear "post" antenna. I am considering trying them ! I now take one DJI 5" kwad everyday to the field. The DJI tx. The DJI goggles. AND ITS PERFECT !! I AM getting excellent range. Beautiful video experience. LOVE the TX !!! Builds are so easy ...wow !! we are all SO SO lucky ! what an amazing leap in technology ! THANK YOU ANDY and THANK YOU DJI !! I still fly my Phantom 4 and Mavic Pro. No matter what regulations come it will not take away from the joy of flying FPV !!
Thanks Andy and thumbs up on another one of your great videos. I learned a lot and having been a mobile phone network technician once in my past, I could connect to DJI's choice of technology, so thanks for diving into some details.
Hi @AndyRC, Is this still your advice for the best antenna combo with DJI goggle? MenaceRC PICO on the bottom and stocks on the top? Isn't the best combo a double TRUERC X air (but much more expensive)? and in what flight condition?
Actually I find myself using stock antennas mostly it's only for extreme bando flying the menace antennas are needed
@@AndyRCchannel And forest flying ?
Exceptionally well done video! Thanks Andy! 😎🤘
Is the transmitter better on 25mw than Crossfire on 25mw??
Andy, try being IN the Bando when you fly DJI.
Furadi thinks that the way the MIMO system works it actually benefits from the multi-pathing bounces.
multipathing just means reflections so it would help standing inside the building for sure If mimo is being used in that way although DJI indicated to me that they arnt using MIMO for that use. Turning down the power output of analogue indoors will reduce multipathing reflections. But the bando exploring I do with analogue is usually done standing outside the building and this for me is what HD fpv needs to match what analogue can do. It seems that two omnis on the transmitting antennas on the goggles helps this.
For the extensions which polarisation do I need?
Does adding extenders to DJI's antennaes make a difference too?
If you mean the patch antennas then yes it does. Iv not tried the periscopes yet. weather is shockingly bad all the time :(
I mean the ones that came with the Goggles. Those 4 small antennaes are very close to each other, it would make sense to me that adding an extender to each, even if only 10cm would help improve the signal.
@@TheEviling I would say not because even though the menace extenders have a very low loss. omni antennas have a lower gain than patch antennas so the loss of adding an extention is bigger than on higher gain patch antennas. But you can try it. Id be surprised to see an improvement but this DJI system is full of surprises
Most of the communications world calls TDD...TDMA time division multiplexing access, as opposed to dedicated FDMA frequency division. Google searches or you tube ones might yield better results using TDMA. Just sayin...either way, another great issue. You’re rocking it, and I enjoy all your posts
Wait a minute, so The TrueRC stubby LHCP antennas AREN'T safe to use? what about 2 TRueRC stubbies with one TrueRC X-air/URUAV Triple Feed Patch antenna? O:
I a little lost, what is this analog set up you have on the side ?
The higher gain on the goggle transmitters are probably fooling the air unit into thinking the quad is closer to you than it really is so it drops the output power a bit to save on battery. The googles most likely don't do the same as you generally have plenty of power in them to last a day so they stick to whatever transmit power you set.
Thanks RC Master, Andy :D.
btw, have you ever experience freezing video with this DJI digital system? At the same time, the dvr and air unit just stop recording. It just happen to me randomly and I dont know what's the problem, and how to solve this issue. T.T. hope you have some clue.
usually down to an insufficient speed microSD card or failing sd card. Which one are you using? cheers
@@AndyRCchannel Thanks for your reply, I'm using sandisk 32gb extreme pro microsd. Is that microSD support the system?
btw, whenever the video freeze, it will never come back live again. my goggle not receive anything from the air unit, so i must take off the google and land the quad LOS.
Im not sure, but one of my friend tell me about dji issue switching public channel, but i don't get the point. any idea? btw, are you using public channel to fly your dji quad?
@@aldojonathan4367 that card should be good. Are you running the latest firmware? something else that causes lock ups is brown outs. This is where the power source to the air unit cannot provide enough power and the device resets. Its been known that some BECS on flight controllers give false ratings and actually dont maintain a stable voltage under a punch out and causes the airunit to reset. the same can happen if you have the air unit powered direct from the battery and the voltage sag of the battery takes away the current needed for the air unit.
AndyRC i believe, i’m running the latest firmware (10.2, just check it on 13st jan 2020). But since you ask me about the latest firmware, i check it again, and wow, there is 10.3 🤣 LOL.
Now im going to update the firmware first, and hope it solves the bug(maybe) thanks a lot Andy 🙏🏻
I'm really divided on going digital or analog for my first fpv quad.
The quality and range is very appealing, but being a "gamer" i really understand how latency can make a massive difference.. being that items such as tinywhoops cant be digital : what would you recommend for a new pilot to the scene? Along or digital?
Go digital with Tango2
Amazing job presenting a complex topic - I just subscribed!
As usual, informative, well researched, and very interesting. Thanks Andy. I replaced my stock antennas with the TrueRC Singularity, only because it is a smaller form factor and easier to transport, as I don't like keep taking the antennas on and off.
Hey Andy. I think this is the first video to do with fpv that I have watched from start to finish! Quick Question, if the antennas were all in the same price range, what would you find best to use? X Air Maybe?
Andy did you design 3d printed analouge module housing.Been looking for a link
if you click the link in the description called "casing" those are the 3d prints. cheers
Good job, I almost understood everything and my headache should go away soon. I enjoy all your videos.
surprised of the huge info that I really first time to know all about antennas! Thanks a bunch mate!
Hey andyrc. Its a little late but i would like to know if this was based on the V1 or the V2. Thanks for all the content mate and keep up the good work 👌🖖
Just the v1
Just ordered the pico setup from Race Day Quad w/ext. Thanks for the great info.
Hi andy, if i buy in future more menace pico antenas for dji googles, i must buy on left polaritation?? Lhcp
yes Left hand. cheers
I'm not sure FPV pilots fully care about laws. We break them left and right and only listen to laws just enough to be left alone
Thanks for the in depth review and explanation
Fatshark or dji fpv for some freestyle flying?
Owning both now I can definitely say DJI! It's an absolute benefit having so much better view in freestyle because that's we do freestyling for: the immersive look through the goggles. And it raises the confidence in your flying when you can see any obstacles in your path and don't have to guess!
In racing it may be different. You know your track and not only the flight itself matters but also the results so you can make some tradeoff to have a faster machine. Analogue is still better for reducing weight and has lower latency.
Hello Andy, where did you get the housing for the analog module mounted on your dji Goggles?
its linked in the video description. If you dont have a 3d printer then you can use something like 3d hubs or cloudcraft and shapways
@@AndyRCchannel ok great! Will print that straight away! Thank you so much.
Thanks for all you do😎👍🏻
Can someone please post the correct USA link for the Menace extension adapters for the goggles?
Sadly i think they only sell them in the uk. I looked for them myself you should be able to get semi rigid extenders in your country however menace make them with the least amount of loss. They should still work for patches
@@AndyRCchannel OK thanks and the option you want is RPSMA-SMA?
@@rcwck yes RPSMA
Yes in Eu you can change antennas, but in here there is thing called EIRP. Your transmitter power + Antennas Gain power is the max power you can transmit. 2.4Ghz it is 100mW about 20dBm. 5Ghz it is 25mW 5.5has DSF-channel rules but in there you can transmit 1W EIRP about 30dBm. So it is dBm+dBi. I think All transmitter here are forced to transmit 25mW. So no antenna changes yes for 2.4Ghz you can but max 6dBi antenna. And for 5.5Ghz 16dBi, but with 5.5 You have to deal with DFS connection cuts. Other frequencies even with usual 5.8 it is 25mW EIRP.