LOL. Safe indeed. My question is will A.I Bach be nuanced to the degree multiple interpretations become feasible? Bach’s genius is multifaceted. Think of Gould vs Schiff or Perahia and how they differ. We have no trouble identifying the score; we struggle to anticipate how these three gents will play this of that passage based on the score. We are better at anticipating Gould. Schiff and Perahia base on their known performance practices. That’s 😮more difficult but feasible plus or minus. Not Bach. Bach’s inventiveness is stunning. We analyze his scores retrospectively - it all makes sense after we know what he did compositionally. It will take time for BachCBT to get to that level of invention. BachCBT has a way to go 😊
@@JoePalau In Bach melodies aren't just there to sound nice or intricate. His music ALWAYS serves a higher purpose and addresses the intellectual, emotional and spritual dimension simultaneously. GPT neither understands nor experiences the human condition. In that regard A.I. is still is as dumb as my old pocket calculator from the 80s and it reminds us once again that the human brain is way more than just an information processing machine.
Well there was Burt Bach a r a c h And of course The Bach ~ manTurnerOverdrive Distant cousins, I know, but AI should be able to figure out how they are similar, right?
“..mostly move in parallel motion, another characteristic of Bach’s style..” This is where it all went off the rails, I think. That is opposite of Bach’s style. In counterpoint, parallel motion is only permitted in certain circumstances. It must only occur between thirds and sixths and their inversions. Fifths and octaves, which always begin and end the piece, and should appear less often than thirds and sixths, can only be approached by contrary or oblique motion. For this and many other reasons, it will be rare to find very lengthy sections of parallel motion in a Bach song.
@@progbarock Is it a child that makes these videos?? (How is it that he knows about every movie from the ‘80’s?? Lol! It’s possible though!) Well, there was a book on counterpoint that Beethoven and Mozart and Chopin and most of the greats studied when they were all children, called Gradus ad Parnassum. If it really is a kid that makes these, if he’s smart enough to figure out how to use all this AI tech, he’d probably be able to understand it too. The rules of counterpoint aren’t all that complicated, they were just out of fashion when we were kids. But like 1980’s movies, they seem to be making a well deserved comeback.
Ohh, I see what you mean. GPT is the child, not the guy who makes these videos. Lol.. Yeah, it’s kind of surprising that GPT is even able to generate melodies as good as this. But in fact, when it said it made a harmony with parallel motion, it really was parallel motion. So who knows, maybe it could learn more sophisticated harmonies if it were trained on them.
I need to point out one thing. You say thirds, sixths and their inversions, which is just plain wrong, because thirds and sixths are their respective inversions already haha. If you want to correct it...if not I can't say I really care lol
I'm impressed that you went the hard route and invented your own language for this. There is already a text-based notation for music. It's called "ABC" (I know, a very strange name). And there are even command line tools that convert ABC notation directly to MIDI. And yes, ChatGPT knows ABC notation very well. I've used it to do exactly what you've outlined above, and it's very fast.
Seeing this video, I just realized that ChatGPT has been used for decades by Philip Glass to obtain his creations, and the reason why they are completely devoid of humanity
This is one of the reasons why music is my passion, it brings together all the many different aspects of the human experience in a special complex way which is far and beyond machine learning capabilities .
@@harryturner9304 hmm I think at best it may eventually be possible to do a weak imitation which will sound quite accurate only to the untrained ear. Machines don't have consciousness or emotion, and theyre crucial for creating complex music like Bach's. Human creativity involves much more than computations and imitation, especially in music, and remember imitation isn't really intelligence. They won't be able to add to the works of bach or say a band like radiohead, only in a superficial way which fools people who have a shallow understanding. But of course one way to fake success is by first dumbing down humanity, as big tech has been doing for the last decade.
Keep in mind that ChatGPT wasn't made to be used in this way of for this purpose. If people made an AI to specificaly generate MIDI music, it would be much better.
@@nickgreefpool chat gp is one of the weaker AI, it's basically just a smarter search engine than Google. The point is if they invested all resources into trying to clone bach they couldn't because they can't create conscious A.I .
Oh the progress! I remember being at university in 1982 when my former piano teacher showed up with a computer - & demonstrated how he could play along to it - to practice difficult phrases, etc. And today - you could have ChatGPT play anything in the world almost, plus with any kind of accompaniment - amd you’d not have to spend hours coding a single 8 bit melody line. It’s fairly amazing…
Brilliant!!!!! Well done sir!!! I love your graphic style, your comedic timing and editing, your taste in music, and your curiosity that drives you. You cover so many topics simultaneously. You are giving a little bit of music history and theory with historic thru modem artists that are perfectly picked, and you are showing everyone how to push the limits of what A.I. can do. Can’t wait for the next one!
I'm baffled as to why this video doesn't boast millions of views. It's a gold mine of stellar content, with extraordinary editing and spellbinding storytelling. It's my sincere hope that your subscriber count skyrockets 20-fold. This is premium content. Thank you. Keep rocking!
because its a niche topic, and its a low effort video with AI generated pics, video clips, script, TTS, etc. your own comment sounds like it was made by chatgpt. pretty soon we'll all be watching 100% ai generated content, and most of the comments will be AI generated as well. simulation theory is real, we're seeing it come to fruition right now.
@@LordConstrobuz lol I got the same feeling about this OP. After reading through a bunch, it wouldn't surprise me to find out most of the comments here aren't from legit users. Using bots to add traffic to a video to boost its reach is a big no no on YT, but I don't care enough to gather the evidence for it and report the video. Small time channel isn't worth the effort. Definitely a bizarro comment section though..
People who have any idea about creating music stay away from AI. Why? Because in music the process is important, emotional transfer that happens only when you create the music yourself
Someone, sooner or later, was going to write the Einstein equations - the ideas underlying Relativity went back at least to Galileo. It just happens that the Einstein equations were written by Einstein. But nobody apart from J.S. Bach was going to write the intro to Cantata 29 - Wir danken dir, Gott, wir danken dir. Look it up and have a listen. Likewise, if Beethoven had died before completing any of his landmark symphonies (#3, #5, #9), nobody else would have been able to write them' This video shows me that, whatever we may try to fabricate as musical forms, they can only be the results of programming. Worth doing, but not convincing.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this for a long time and thanks to a mention in a podcast I just saw it. I find it incredible that you pulled this off. We’re on the brink of so many exciting developments and this video will prove to be quintessential I believe. Please keep up the good work and keep developing this train of thought further and further!
You know who else is said to have written over 1000 pieces of music and was born before Bach? Vivaldi, the unsung hero of the baroque era. Forget the four seasons, he wrote so many stunning pieces music.
Don't get me started on Vivaldi's lack of appreciation lol. I've played a ton of his pieces and was surprised by how unknown he was to the rest of the non-musical world.
In your prompts to ChatGPT, tell it to include more rest beats at various places in each of the tracks it is creating. Also, why not ask it to generate a third variable for each note and have that variable be velocity (or loudness)?
As someone who has spent a week of research on bach's fugues, as soon as ChatGPT said Bach often used parallel motion I knew we were in for a ride lmao
Amazing... I am more bamboozled that a bamboozled thing having just passed a bamboozled course in a bamboozled way... bamboozledly! But I love what I think you just did! I absolutely am discombobulated but love it!
Gold. I love the perversity of using clunky, unsuitable Chat GPT for the job, when there’s decades of successful work on the synthesis of musical style.
I actually think that using GPT like this is the secret sauce and honestly a much more advanced way of generating music with AI compared to Google's MusicLM and the other one i forget what its called
@@joey4track I was actually thinking of David Cope's work. N&tC use of text to force Chat GPT to write music is brilliant, even though the results are for now unsurprisingly shoddy.
Happy to be here for the early steps of your UA-cam journey. As a composer I find your approach fascinating and IMO a lot more interesting than having an AI write a straight up piece of music based on a prompt. Congratulations friend, you're about to become a meteor.
Your videos are intimidatingly great. The topics. The edits. Production. Humor. The process. And the outcome. Sincerest slow clap for what you're doing 👏😊
Having played violin from grades 2-12, I played a lot of Bach. This AI attempt is amazing, but in its current state it sounds like Bach might have sounded if he was composing at age 6. It’s very challenging in art or music to write a prompt that gets AI to capture the emotion, the feel, the energy, the power of Bach. You’ve done a good job in getting close, but those years in orchestra, in which a musician is surrounded by the sound, provide a stark contrast. A friend of mine, a classical musician, won a lifetime Grammy for 50 years of performing and recording. Regarding Bach, he once told me, Bach transposes keys incredibly quickly. I don’t have ears to hear that, but it’s just part of the greatest genius of music composition. Keep working at it and I look forward to your progress.
This is the best way to make AI music in its current state, and you are the ONLY person doing this right now. Freaking love your videos man. Thank you so much
This is horrific. I actually know more than a little bit about Bach, his compositional style, his historical stylistic and technical environs, his technical counterpoint, his cumulated output, and so on. This sounds like "Bach" only to someone who has only a cartoon idea of what "Bach" means. What I hear is utterly ignorant counterpoint that would not pass for the output of a first-day composition student. This is the dumbing-down of the human world in which ChatGPT and its brethren are a major (malef)actor. For me, being able to represent the glory, ignomy, and tragedy of God being voluntarily nailed to a cross for our sake (and I do not hold his religious belief) in such a way as the St. Matthew Passion has done for coming up on 300 years, moving people of every and no faith, nationality, or background with the intellectual and emotional texture and force of that narrative -- when ChatGPT can do that, ping me. When ChatGPT can write chorale preludes like BWV 622 that tell a story already known to the listener in colors, shades, and textures over the course of 6 minutes, send me a message. Or portray the entire emotional landscape of what it means to be human in 15 minutes as does the Chaconne from the D minor violin sonata -- send me an email. This is an insult not only to Bach, but to those of use who have studied and promulgated his masterpieces for a lifetime. And mind you, software has been my professional career.
NOTHING like the REAL BACH - and nothing like a human composer - to derive intellectual and emotional interest. I MAY be laughed off in 50 years after this progresses by leaps and bounds. For now, just gimme inspired variations of some authentic Bach melodies and development. Emulative music will never have the SOUL OF MANKIND. At least --- it won't have mine! ♥♥♥♥
Fascinating. Someone who came close to being that impossible "second Bach" was Shostakovich whose 24 Preludes and Fugues composed as an anniversary tribute are often rather more than pastiche and seem like new music Bach might have composed in the late 1950's. Shostakovich was a genius musician but as well as the compositional mastery you can clearly hear the essential human element at work which transcends even the most intense technical skill and mimicry. This "synthetic" music is often very enjoyable to listen to and admirable in its skill but it is missing something impossible to describe but always recognisable - a sense of humanity. Its very abscence is an intriguing even artistic element here. It will be fascinating to hear it evolve.
6:30 into this video I hit pause. I will now head over to patreon, sign up and subscribe. Your work is so important - it's hard to put into words lol. This is Pioneer Shit ✨✨✨
very cool, thanks for the video! and how profound bach's music really is - the human element, imagination and overall facility is irreplaceable even in a world of flourishing technology.
"it will be rare to find very lengthy sections of parallel motion in a Bach song..” Ya, thanks for mentioning this. The big problem with this whole idea is that to be fair to Bach, you would either have to be Him to program ChatGPT's guidelines or be someone who can totally discern his style and background. Normally this would be a genius musicoligist. You have to ask yourself if the person running this experiment has those qualifications. Please do not take this the wrong way and think I am dissing the author of this channel. I have no problem with the process. Just the expectations inplied in the concept.
Heard an episode of RadioLab where some researchers already did this using AI (machine learning) roughly a decade ago. They then played the composition at a concert and the audience couldn't tell it wasn't really a genuine Bach piece.
I'm brand new to your channel- this is a really cool experiment with Bach's music, but you forgot one important thing... FUGUES! Bach is famous for writing fugues- music where a single melody (or sometimes more) is played over top itself in slightly different harmonies/rhythms to harmonize against itself. Here you have instructed GPT to creat multiple unique melodies, which is cool, and you applied Baroque stylistic rules, but you can't study Bach without the fugue. In the 6th chapter here you created music which, to me, sounds distinctly more Renaissance-esque than Bach. Very cool, but not Bach. Sorry to be such a Bach stan, but I gotta stand up for the goat. Cool video, I subscribed!
Been there done that - David Cope's : EMI (Experiments in Musical Intelligence) software has produced works in the style of various composers, some of which have been commercially recorded ranging from short pieces to full-length operas.
Imagine trying to explain to Bach that in hundreds of years, there will be an "Artificial Intelligence" on the "web" that understands how and why he played the music he did. It will operate through "MIDI" with ease. Bach's likely response: wut?
I think it mainly missed some feed to gpt about modulation and borrowed harmonies to start being interesting. GPT stays in key, while bach introduces related key harmonies very quickly as soon as measure 2-3 as the first counterpoint appears
well...asking it to compose something that sounds like bach is like asking it to design something that flies like the saturn v -- maybe if it had a lot more time at its disposal. also i don't know how it got the idea bach liked 5ths and parallel motion :). the first example would sound more bach-ish if one of the lines was turned upside down. would probably sound better that way with the latin percussion too...
I actually wanted this to work. Are you kidding me! All the work to end up with that? We could have had an endless supply of js Bach music and AI has let me down. Hopefully in the future this actually works
When I was at Berklee about 6 years ago, I distinctly remember Google coming out with a Google doodle that allowed you to o write a simple melody and Google A.I. was supposed to be able to compose 4 part harmony around it in the style of bach. It was for Bach's 200th birthday or something idk. We tested it out in my harmony class and almost every measure had something wrong with it. Usually it was parallel 4ths, 5ths or octaves. fast forward to today and I guess A.I. has decided, "why not keep everything in C major, that will make life easier" 😂 all the effort and time to go into this video for basically a glorified atpeggiater.
Why so much parallel motion? Bach uses a lot of oblique and contrary motion, with considerable variation in note duration, and manipulation of motifs including inversion an so on
Wow i enjoyed every second of it. well thought out and scripted and GPT has really done a fantastic job. Then again it only goes to show that Bach is the GOAT.
Cool technique, using a key prompt to put chatGPT in a specific mindset. I do the same thing, making up linguistic games, and teaching them to chatGPT. Sometimes, I just give a concept of a game and have it write the rules so I can understand the game too.
The AI rabbit hole brought me here. AI is super interesting to me, and the YT algorithm already knows I like music. After a couple minutes in, I had to look at your subscriber count, only to be highly surprised you have just under 20K, and not 200K. Keep doing what you're doing man, you've got "it".
Random drop in - this was so fun - and man did you put a lot o time into the production of the video. Keep up the amazing work. Add one more subscriber to your victory board.
Amigo!!!! fantabulous work!!! i enjoyed the content and presentation alike-very very much. Should the interest arise- two ideas came to me as possible paradigms for the AI to draw from...1. Mozarts music is useful in away that similar tempos, or better yet pulses- are diversified and ornamented by Mozarts genius . that is probably one of the reasons for him being what he was which was -one of a kind- out of one pulse he created many. 2. German Music Theorist Heinrich SCHENKER- Schankarian Analysis points to the different stratas that make all western music. Schnkarian Analysis deals with the foreground, background and Ursatz of a music al composition and explains how the composers genius arrived from a given note like G to the Symphony's' last chord- but through the lens of the underpinnings of western classicla music. All with terminology/language invented by Schenker for the various paradigms and concepts. He uses Bach a lot for his teachings- check out the famous Prelude in C major from the Well Tempered Klavier. All the best. i am a new subscriber! looking forward to getting to know you content. Peace💟
That’s even less like Bach than most nursery rhyme melodies are. I love how it told you it was going to use intervals of a fifth, and then did no such thing. Same ol boring crap.
This is really cool and shows how great of a learning tool ChatGPT can be. It's understandable why working illustrators and copywriters are concerned about AI being used instead of their services (a genuine future threat), when it comes to artistic expression, it's impossible for an AI to compete because of what artistic expression is. In order to compose a masterpiece, not only does the composer need to have an in depth and intuitive understanding of music as it has been analysed over the centuries, but also understand the emotional language of it that is used to express real feeling from one human mind to another. Composers like Bach were able to tap into their unconscious minds while they worked and knew when each note was in it's right place or when a single note was out of place. A composer doesn't need to know why each note, harmony, rest, motif, modulation, contrast, rhythm and so and so on, works the way it does in the context of their piece, they just need to feel what it means. Until we decode the brain in its entirety and understand what consciousness is (2 things that are unlikely to ever happen), AI developers will not be able to create software that can emulate this. The brain is considered to be the most complex thing we've encountered in the universe, including the universe itself if the brain were not a part of it. Any serious neurologist will tell you that the more we learn about the brain the more we learn that we don't know and the less confidence we can have in what we thought we knew. In terms of consciousness, forget it. That's like asking the current ChatGPT to find a way to see and describe the hardware that it's housed in, without providing it with any additional tools or code to do so.
So, the thing is: we don't need to reproduce the whole capacity of the brain and conciousness with AI. We just need to get closer to reproduce what we are able able to perceive. You are right in many aspects, I'm not going agains your arguments. I just think we overestimate our own capacities. For many people, and many things, we are getting quite close to what's enough to be considered to be masterful. It might take some time to reaxh those that can completely absorb Bach's work and feel it emotionally, but what percentage of population is that? For those, they can always rely on humanity, and we always will. But for many practicalities and mundane/repetitive things, we are so, so close.
This a historic video. And as usual under the radar.. I'm a programmer and Nintendo fan. I loved nintendo's midi use which made games sound design more dynamic. Stuff like this could be the path to real time music instead of trying to rely on Nvidia etal making 10000x faster hardware to create WAVs/Mp3s. A LOT of people are just brute forcing the AIs hoping for magic when well thought out implementations like this show that AI doesnt have to be the entire pipeline to achieve powerful results.
Thats essentially the point of the new functions feature in the API. You write tons of useful functions, and give the parameters to the model, and it can call the function directly. So in this example, youd write the funciton, and have the AI call it and automatically write the files, instead of having to copy paste etc. I've already created functions for editing files, writing files, wikidata queries, write multiple files at once, python interpreter, webscraping, etc. It's reallly useful.
But the musical examples aren't powerful results here. A music generation AI needs to understand intervals and chords vertically and horizontally over time. Counterpoint, in other words, is worked out at once.
@@aelfrice This isn't even a midi generation ai model, its a language model taught to output midi. Look at the results he got from such a small "training set". A fully trained model or fine-tuned version of this "hack" would yield more creative, coherent musical pieces.
Excellent work. If you keep working on the model one day we would have AI capable of perfectly mimicking Bach. I say mimicking, not creating new music. Bach would wake up, have his cup of coffee and breakfast in the garden and suddenly something pops in his mind, quickly he fetch a paper and start jotting down the concept of his new concerto. AI does not do that, not yet.
At least for the time being, Mr. Bach's legacy is safe.
LOL. Safe indeed. My question is will A.I Bach be nuanced to the degree multiple interpretations become feasible? Bach’s genius is multifaceted. Think of Gould vs Schiff or Perahia and how they differ. We have no trouble identifying the score; we struggle to anticipate how these three gents will play this of that passage based on the score. We are better at anticipating Gould. Schiff and Perahia base on their known performance practices. That’s 😮more difficult but feasible plus or minus. Not Bach. Bach’s inventiveness is stunning. We analyze his scores retrospectively - it all makes sense after we know what he did compositionally. It will take time for BachCBT to get to that level of invention. BachCBT has a way to go 😊
Quite safe! 😂
The legacy will always be safe. Because even a perfect imitation will be just that. Imitation.
…for the time being
@@JoePalau In Bach melodies aren't just there to sound nice or intricate. His music ALWAYS serves a higher purpose and addresses the intellectual, emotional and spritual dimension simultaneously. GPT neither understands nor experiences the human condition.
In that regard A.I. is still is as dumb as my old pocket calculator from the 80s and it reminds us once again that the human brain is way more than just an information processing machine.
A very interesting exploration, which from my point of view illustrates quite nicely why, in the last 300 years, there hasn't been a second Bach.
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Distant cousins, I know, but AI should be able to figure out how they are similar, right?
aphex twin. look up "28 organ"
yep, very boring and lifeless...
Papa Bach is a mountain higher than the Himalayas. No one will ever have the lungs he had.
@@Tyrell_Corp2019 Agreed on that one.
“..mostly move in parallel motion, another characteristic of Bach’s style..” This is where it all went off the rails, I think. That is opposite of Bach’s style. In counterpoint, parallel motion is only permitted in certain circumstances. It must only occur between thirds and sixths and their inversions. Fifths and octaves, which always begin and end the piece, and should appear less often than thirds and sixths, can only be approached by contrary or oblique motion. For this and many other reasons, it will be rare to find very lengthy sections of parallel motion in a Bach song.
Keep in mind you're trying to explain music theory to a child with ChatGPT (I completely agree with you, of course).
@@progbarock Is it a child that makes these videos?? (How is it that he knows about every movie from the ‘80’s?? Lol! It’s possible though!) Well, there was a book on counterpoint that Beethoven and Mozart and Chopin and most of the greats studied when they were all children, called Gradus ad Parnassum. If it really is a kid that makes these, if he’s smart enough to figure out how to use all this AI tech, he’d probably be able to understand it too. The rules of counterpoint aren’t all that complicated, they were just out of fashion when we were kids. But like 1980’s movies, they seem to be making a well deserved comeback.
Ohh, I see what you mean. GPT is the child, not the guy who makes these videos. Lol.. Yeah, it’s kind of surprising that GPT is even able to generate melodies as good as this. But in fact, when it said it made a harmony with parallel motion, it really was parallel motion. So who knows, maybe it could learn more sophisticated harmonies if it were trained on them.
I need to point out one thing. You say thirds, sixths and their inversions, which is just plain wrong, because thirds and sixths are their respective inversions already haha. If you want to correct it...if not I can't say I really care lol
@@timtimtimm Haha, very true!! I actually thought of that as soon as I posted it. What I meant to say was thirds and sixths and their *octaves*.
I love how the human host also sounds and intonates like he's a TTS voice. I can appreciate the stylistic consistency
That’s because he is a tts voice lol.
He's cloned his own voice. Probably with Eleven Labs.
even some of the writing sounds like it was made with AI.
@@CryptoTonight9393 bruh idk what to believe anymore
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Next level content. The humour, animations and video clips atop the music experiments. Superb !
I'm impressed that you went the hard route and invented your own language for this. There is already a text-based notation for music. It's called "ABC" (I know, a very strange name). And there are even command line tools that convert ABC notation directly to MIDI. And yes, ChatGPT knows ABC notation very well. I've used it to do exactly what you've outlined above, and it's very fast.
ChatGPT is like: Melody goes always up and down, right?
Seeing this video, I just realized that ChatGPT has been used for decades by Philip Glass to obtain his creations, and the reason why they are completely devoid of humanity
I have to disagree. there is no musicality in these demos, Glass feels right.
Haha very funny indeed.
I agree with your observation. Well said.
This is one of the reasons why music is my passion, it brings together all the many different aspects of the human experience in a special complex way which is far and beyond machine learning capabilities .
Eventually, AI will be able to at least imitate or match the quality of Bach rather successfully. It's naive to think otherwise.
@@harryturner9304 hmm I think at best it may eventually be possible to do a weak imitation which will sound quite accurate only to the untrained ear. Machines don't have consciousness or emotion, and theyre crucial for creating complex music like Bach's. Human creativity involves much more than computations and imitation, especially in music, and remember imitation isn't really intelligence. They won't be able to add to the works of bach or say a band like radiohead, only in a superficial way which fools people who have a shallow understanding. But of course one way to fake success is by first dumbing down humanity, as big tech has been doing for the last decade.
Keep in mind that ChatGPT wasn't made to be used in this way of for this purpose. If people made an AI to specificaly generate MIDI music, it would be much better.
@@nickgreefpool chat gp is one of the weaker AI, it's basically just a smarter search engine than Google. The point is if they invested all resources into trying to clone bach they couldn't because they can't create conscious A.I .
Are u kidding I have over 6000 songs made with ai making me a shitload of money 😂😂😂
A stroke of genius to have Scarlett Johansson be the voice of the AI.
And how one does it?? I'm curious
Oh the progress! I remember being at university in 1982 when my former piano teacher showed up with a computer - & demonstrated how he could play along to it - to practice difficult phrases, etc. And today - you could have ChatGPT play anything in the world almost, plus with any kind of accompaniment - amd you’d not have to spend hours coding a single 8 bit melody line. It’s fairly amazing…
Brilliant!!!!! Well done sir!!! I love your graphic style, your comedic timing and editing, your taste in music, and your curiosity that drives you. You cover so many topics simultaneously. You are giving a little bit of music history and theory with historic thru modem artists that are perfectly picked, and you are showing everyone how to push the limits of what A.I. can do. Can’t wait for the next one!
my feelings exactly! I know a bit of music, and a bit of AI, but this pieces is intense on inspiration!
I'm baffled as to why this video doesn't boast millions of views. It's a gold mine of stellar content, with extraordinary editing and spellbinding storytelling. It's my sincere hope that your subscriber count skyrockets 20-fold. This is premium content. Thank you. Keep rocking!
Bc who gives a shit about chat gpt and the trash it produces
because its a niche topic, and its a low effort video with AI generated pics, video clips, script, TTS, etc. your own comment sounds like it was made by chatgpt. pretty soon we'll all be watching 100% ai generated content, and most of the comments will be AI generated as well. simulation theory is real, we're seeing it come to fruition right now.
@@LordConstrobuz lol I got the same feeling about this OP. After reading through a bunch, it wouldn't surprise me to find out most of the comments here aren't from legit users. Using bots to add traffic to a video to boost its reach is a big no no on YT, but I don't care enough to gather the evidence for it and report the video. Small time channel isn't worth the effort. Definitely a bizarro comment section though..
because it doesn't even remotely sound like Bach at all
People who have any idea about creating music stay away from AI. Why? Because in music the process is important, emotional transfer that happens only when you create the music yourself
Someone, sooner or later, was going to write the Einstein equations - the ideas underlying Relativity went back at least to Galileo.
It just happens that the Einstein equations were written by Einstein.
But nobody apart from J.S. Bach was going to write the intro to Cantata 29 - Wir danken dir, Gott, wir danken dir. Look it up and have a listen.
Likewise, if Beethoven had died before completing any of his landmark symphonies (#3, #5, #9), nobody else would have been able to write them'
This video shows me that, whatever we may try to fabricate as musical forms, they can only be the results of programming.
Worth doing, but not convincing.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this for a long time and thanks to a mention in a podcast I just saw it. I find it incredible that you pulled this off. We’re on the brink of so many exciting developments and this video will prove to be quintessential I believe. Please keep up the good work and keep developing this train of thought further and further!
You are an ion drive, picking up a little energy every day and converting it to speed. You will get us to Mars safely.
most beautiful compliment ive seen
Sitting here with popcorn trying to figure out how many years/months my composition career has left 🍿
‘Not so Bach but not so bad’ - favorite 2023 quote
this is already good enough for video game music 🥺. pretty amazing how far we've come
You know who else is said to have written over 1000 pieces of music and was born before Bach? Vivaldi, the unsung hero of the baroque era. Forget the four seasons, he wrote so many stunning pieces music.
Don't get me started on Vivaldi's lack of appreciation lol. I've played a ton of his pieces and was surprised by how unknown he was to the rest of the non-musical world.
@@pl4gued0ct0r It's criminal tbh. Juditha Triumphans is my favourite :)
So true, his sacred works are sublime too.
What about Telemann? He was quite productive and wrote some wonderful music, too!
Except No I will not forget
the four seasons.
In your prompts to ChatGPT, tell it to include more rest beats at various places in each of the tracks it is creating. Also, why not ask it to generate a third variable for each note and have that variable be velocity (or loudness)?
@TheTiredHorizonwhat are they?
I was thinking the same thing, it’s hard to write counterpoint if you aren’t allowed any rests
I mean on a harpsichord (Bach's time) there wouldn't be any written velocity or volume variation
@@artonion420It does use 'None' at least in one reply
A monumental fail. Even my pet gerbil knows this.
As someone who has spent a week of research on bach's fugues, as soon as ChatGPT said Bach often used parallel motion I knew we were in for a ride lmao
Thanks!
Amazing... I am more bamboozled that a bamboozled thing having just passed a bamboozled course in a bamboozled way... bamboozledly! But I love what I think you just did! I absolutely am discombobulated but love it!
This has been done like decades ago and infinitely better.
Gold. I love the perversity of using clunky, unsuitable Chat GPT for the job, when there’s decades of successful work on the synthesis of musical style.
I actually think that using GPT like this is the secret sauce and honestly a much more advanced way of generating music with AI compared to Google's MusicLM and the other one i forget what its called
@@joey4track I was actually thinking of David Cope's work. N&tC use of text to force Chat GPT to write music is brilliant, even though the results are for now unsurprisingly shoddy.
Happy to be here for the early steps of your UA-cam journey. As a composer I find your approach fascinating and IMO a lot more interesting than having an AI write a straight up piece of music based on a prompt. Congratulations friend, you're about to become a meteor.
burn up and crash to the ground?
@@marfaxaShooting star.
Your videos are intimidatingly great. The topics. The edits. Production. Humor. The process. And the outcome. Sincerest slow clap for what you're doing 👏😊
One of the best vdos I've seen in years!! Beautifully done, sir!
It sounds hollow, no emotions, just hollow sound
Wow, Scarlett Johansson has never sounded so disinterested in something... and that's saying something.
I respectfully disagree, this is standard Scarlett Jo tone.
Having played violin from grades 2-12, I played a lot of Bach. This AI attempt is amazing, but in its current state it sounds like Bach might have sounded if he was composing at age 6. It’s very challenging in art or music to write a prompt that gets AI to capture the emotion, the feel, the energy, the power of Bach. You’ve done a good job in getting close, but those years in orchestra, in which a musician is surrounded by the sound, provide a stark contrast. A friend of mine, a classical musician, won a lifetime Grammy for 50 years of performing and recording. Regarding Bach, he once told me, Bach transposes keys incredibly quickly. I don’t have ears to hear that, but it’s just part of the greatest genius of music composition. Keep working at it and I look forward to your progress.
This sounds nothing like Bach, tbh. Very interesting video, though!
I agree. Very underwhelming. But it’s a start. 😊
This is the best way to make AI music in its current state, and you are the ONLY person doing this right now. Freaking love your videos man. Thank you so much
Why is it the best way?
@@PiPiSquared Because the other two big ai music models still don't sound very good at all and don't really follow prompts very well either
this is utter dogshit and probably the worst way to generate music. nor is this person the only one making generated music
I bet Microsoft will see this video, automate, spice up, and you will have Midi productions in Bing! Bard will come next (or a minute earlier) :)
This is horrific. I actually know more than a little bit about Bach, his compositional style, his historical stylistic and technical environs, his technical counterpoint, his cumulated output, and so on. This sounds like "Bach" only to someone who has only a cartoon idea of what "Bach" means. What I hear is utterly ignorant counterpoint that would not pass for the output of a first-day composition student. This is the dumbing-down of the human world in which ChatGPT and its brethren are a major (malef)actor. For me, being able to represent the glory, ignomy, and tragedy of God being voluntarily nailed to a cross for our sake (and I do not hold his religious belief) in such a way as the St. Matthew Passion has done for coming up on 300 years, moving people of every and no faith, nationality, or background with the intellectual and emotional texture and force of that narrative -- when ChatGPT can do that, ping me. When ChatGPT can write chorale preludes like BWV 622 that tell a story already known to the listener in colors, shades, and textures over the course of 6 minutes, send me a message. Or portray the entire emotional landscape of what it means to be human in 15 minutes as does the Chaconne from the D minor violin sonata -- send me an email.
This is an insult not only to Bach, but to those of use who have studied and promulgated his masterpieces for a lifetime. And mind you, software has been my professional career.
NOTHING like the REAL BACH - and nothing like a human composer - to derive intellectual and emotional interest. I MAY be laughed off in 50 years after this progresses by leaps and bounds. For now, just gimme inspired variations of some authentic Bach melodies and development. Emulative music will never have the SOUL OF MANKIND. At least --- it won't have mine!
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Fascinating. Enjoy the creative journey and travel on the path that best suits you, not your critics.
Parallel motion was not characteristic about style, so this is way off right from the
you're crushing it, keep pushing my friend!
The best part of all this, is the Scarlet Johansson voice clone
Was just about to comment on that. Great you noticed it too! Her voicing to the AI’s text was just awesome.
Fascinating. Someone who came close to being that impossible "second Bach" was Shostakovich whose 24 Preludes and Fugues composed as an anniversary tribute are often rather more than pastiche and seem like new music Bach might have composed in the late 1950's. Shostakovich was a genius musician but as well as the compositional mastery you can clearly hear the essential human element at work which transcends even the most intense technical skill and mimicry. This "synthetic" music is often very enjoyable to listen to and admirable in its skill but it is missing something impossible to describe but always recognisable - a sense of humanity. Its very abscence is an intriguing even artistic element here. It will be fascinating to hear it evolve.
another master piece once again! glad to be part of the nobodies collective
That is an extraordinary process. The end result.had something, perseverance pays off.
6:30 into this video I hit pause. I will now head over to patreon, sign up and subscribe. Your work is so important - it's hard to put into words lol. This is Pioneer Shit ✨✨✨
top 10 best uses of Eleven labs. well done
Thanks
this video gave me this unsettling feeling that from now on internet will always be more real than reality
Thanks for using an AI version of Scarlett Johannson's voice to speak the Chat GPT answers.
came here looking for this comment. the voice is perfect!
ScarJo is my 2nd fave AI voice. After Pee-wee Herman.
how to use AI scarlett voice?
very cool, thanks for the video!
and how profound bach's music really is - the human element, imagination and overall facility is irreplaceable even in a world of flourishing technology.
J. S. Bach was obviously much smarter than modern AI.
"it will be rare to find very lengthy sections of parallel motion in a Bach song..”
Ya, thanks for mentioning this. The big problem with this whole idea is that to be fair to Bach, you would either have to be Him to program ChatGPT's guidelines or be someone who can totally discern his style and background. Normally this would be a genius musicoligist. You have to ask yourself if the person running this experiment has those qualifications. Please do not take this the wrong way and think I am dissing the author of this channel. I have no problem with the process. Just the expectations inplied in the concept.
Video production is fire. Sounds weird and wonderful.
Heard an episode of RadioLab where some researchers already did this using AI (machine learning) roughly a decade ago. They then played the composition at a concert and the audience couldn't tell it wasn't really a genuine Bach piece.
All of the rules, none of the soul.
What ghastly melodies, for a start.
Fascinating.
Unreal, on so many levels. Thank you for this. Big fan of Bach's work and loving being able to see what AI can do, it blows my mind!
"Not so bach but not so bad." Lovely line!
I'm brand new to your channel- this is a really cool experiment with Bach's music, but you forgot one important thing... FUGUES! Bach is famous for writing fugues- music where a single melody (or sometimes more) is played over top itself in slightly different harmonies/rhythms to harmonize against itself. Here you have instructed GPT to creat multiple unique melodies, which is cool, and you applied Baroque stylistic rules, but you can't study Bach without the fugue. In the 6th chapter here you created music which, to me, sounds distinctly more Renaissance-esque than Bach. Very cool, but not Bach. Sorry to be such a Bach stan, but I gotta stand up for the goat. Cool video, I subscribed!
Glad I watched. Was all prepared to be angry, instead I'm giggling. At least for now, as said below, we have to have Bach for Bach
Been there done that - David Cope's : EMI (Experiments in Musical Intelligence) software has produced works in the style of various composers, some of which have been commercially recorded ranging from short pieces to full-length operas.
Imagine trying to explain to Bach that in hundreds of years, there will be an "Artificial Intelligence" on the "web" that understands how and why he played the music he did. It will operate through "MIDI" with ease. Bach's likely response: wut?
That a sick name for a new AI album: "BachGpt the midi well tempered"
I think it mainly missed some feed to gpt about modulation and borrowed harmonies to start being interesting. GPT stays in key, while bach introduces related key harmonies very quickly as soon as measure 2-3 as the first counterpoint appears
Nobody dropping another brilliant aesthetic video
Loved the composition at 11:30. Great work.
well...asking it to compose something that sounds like bach is like asking it to design something that flies like the saturn v -- maybe if it had a lot more time at its disposal. also i don't know how it got the idea bach liked 5ths and parallel motion :). the first example would sound more bach-ish if one of the lines was turned upside down. would probably sound better that way with the latin percussion too...
Bach is one thing, but no ai can replicate the emotional impact of Ryo Kawasaki's music for Fumetsu no Anata e.
Your enthusiasm is contagious!
im just arrive at your channel now and have to say that your videos are freakin' awesome! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 hugs from brazil!!
Why algorithm! Have I not drank from this fountain before?
I actually wanted this to work. Are you kidding me! All the work to end up with that? We could have had an endless supply of js Bach music and AI has let me down. Hopefully in the future this actually works
When I was at Berklee about 6 years ago, I distinctly remember Google coming out with a Google doodle that allowed you to o write a simple melody and Google A.I. was supposed to be able to compose 4 part harmony around it in the style of bach. It was for Bach's 200th birthday or something idk. We tested it out in my harmony class and almost every measure had something wrong with it. Usually it was parallel 4ths, 5ths or octaves. fast forward to today and I guess A.I. has decided, "why not keep everything in C major, that will make life easier" 😂 all the effort and time to go into this video for basically a glorified atpeggiater.
Well made video!🎶🎹
Why so much parallel motion? Bach uses a lot of oblique and contrary motion, with considerable variation in note duration, and manipulation of motifs including inversion an so on
Wow i enjoyed every second of it. well thought out and scripted and GPT has really done a fantastic job. Then again it only goes to show that Bach is the GOAT.
Is it just me - the voice annotating ChatGPT is ScarJo ?!?!
Absolutely her! Just as in Her
Cool technique, using a key prompt to put chatGPT in a specific mindset. I do the same thing, making up linguistic games, and teaching them to chatGPT. Sometimes, I just give a concept of a game and have it write the rules so I can understand the game too.
The AI rabbit hole brought me here. AI is super interesting to me, and the YT algorithm already knows I like music. After a couple minutes in, I had to look at your subscriber count, only to be highly surprised you have just under 20K, and not 200K. Keep doing what you're doing man, you've got "it".
Random drop in - this was so fun - and man did you put a lot o time into the production of the video. Keep up the amazing work. Add one more subscriber to your victory board.
Interesting but still some way to go, but many thanks for all the work you put in, I enjoyed your video, all the best Joseph
So cool! Grazie!!! Greetings from Italy🤩
Fascinating! Thank you for this wonderment.
It started from Wes Anderson, meandering with Stanley Kubrick, then Dr Who playing all the white keys while eating fish sticks in custard....
"Johann! Oh, dear." Cerrá y vamos, me hizo la decada.
Dude, I really enjoyed this video.
somebody should reach out and record all those noises dead musicians make when turning in their graves ;-)
Amigo!!!! fantabulous work!!! i enjoyed the content and presentation alike-very very much. Should the interest arise- two ideas came to me as possible paradigms for the AI to draw from...1. Mozarts music is useful in away that similar tempos, or better yet pulses- are diversified and ornamented by Mozarts genius . that is probably one of the reasons for him being what he was which was -one of a kind- out of one pulse he created many. 2. German Music Theorist Heinrich SCHENKER- Schankarian Analysis points to the different stratas that make all western music. Schnkarian Analysis deals with the foreground, background and Ursatz of a music al composition and explains how the composers genius arrived from a given note like G to the Symphony's' last chord- but through the lens of the underpinnings of western classicla music. All with terminology/language invented by Schenker for the various paradigms and concepts. He uses Bach a lot for his teachings- check out the famous Prelude in C major from the Well Tempered Klavier. All the best. i am a new subscriber! looking forward to getting to know you content. Peace💟
If you dive in, you'll hit rock bottom at about one inch. Sorry, AI. You've got a very long way to go.
Fantastic! Keep it coming… 1997 Thom Yorke collab with 1966 Brian Wilson. Go.
"Not so Bach but no so bad". Una buena síntesis del resultado.
This is first video in this channel. I am mind blown as a 11 year musician. Thank you 🙏
Rock on!
That’s even less like Bach than most nursery rhyme melodies are. I love how it told you it was going to use intervals of a fifth, and then did no such thing. Same ol boring crap.
Keep pushing the boundaries, this is just the beginning. Love your videos
If it comes up with a masterpiece then I will be impressed.
LMAO was not expecting the aphex twin part, but I totally love it. I love aphex and Bach!
This is really cool and shows how great of a learning tool ChatGPT can be. It's understandable why working illustrators and copywriters are concerned about AI being used instead of their services (a genuine future threat), when it comes to artistic expression, it's impossible for an AI to compete because of what artistic expression is. In order to compose a masterpiece, not only does the composer need to have an in depth and intuitive understanding of music as it has been analysed over the centuries, but also understand the emotional language of it that is used to express real feeling from one human mind to another. Composers like Bach were able to tap into their unconscious minds while they worked and knew when each note was in it's right place or when a single note was out of place. A composer doesn't need to know why each note, harmony, rest, motif, modulation, contrast, rhythm and so and so on, works the way it does in the context of their piece, they just need to feel what it means. Until we decode the brain in its entirety and understand what consciousness is (2 things that are unlikely to ever happen), AI developers will not be able to create software that can emulate this. The brain is considered to be the most complex thing we've encountered in the universe, including the universe itself if the brain were not a part of it. Any serious neurologist will tell you that the more we learn about the brain the more we learn that we don't know and the less confidence we can have in what we thought we knew. In terms of consciousness, forget it. That's like asking the current ChatGPT to find a way to see and describe the hardware that it's housed in, without providing it with any additional tools or code to do so.
So, the thing is: we don't need to reproduce the whole capacity of the brain and conciousness with AI. We just need to get closer to reproduce what we are able able to perceive. You are right in many aspects, I'm not going agains your arguments.
I just think we overestimate our own capacities. For many people, and many things, we are getting quite close to what's enough to be considered to be masterful. It might take some time to reaxh those that can completely absorb Bach's work and feel it emotionally, but what percentage of population is that?
For those, they can always rely on humanity, and we always will. But for many practicalities and mundane/repetitive things, we are so, so close.
This a historic video. And as usual under the radar.. I'm a programmer and Nintendo fan. I loved nintendo's midi use which made games sound design more dynamic. Stuff like this could be the path to real time music instead of trying to rely on Nvidia etal making 10000x faster hardware to create WAVs/Mp3s. A LOT of people are just brute forcing the AIs hoping for magic when well thought out implementations like this show that AI doesnt have to be the entire pipeline to achieve powerful results.
Thats essentially the point of the new functions feature in the API. You write tons of useful functions, and give the parameters to the model, and it can call the function directly. So in this example, youd write the funciton, and have the AI call it and automatically write the files, instead of having to copy paste etc.
I've already created functions for editing files, writing files, wikidata queries, write multiple files at once, python interpreter, webscraping, etc. It's reallly useful.
But the musical examples aren't powerful results here.
A music generation AI needs to understand intervals and chords vertically and horizontally over time. Counterpoint, in other words, is worked out at once.
@@aelfrice This isn't even a midi generation ai model, its a language model taught to output midi. Look at the results he got from such a small "training set". A fully trained model or fine-tuned version of this "hack" would yield more creative, coherent musical pieces.
I love the style of this video. Did it take you ages?
Request?
Something like:
Music for 18 musicians
or
Music for a large ensemble
by
Steve Reich
Excellent work. If you keep working on the model one day we would have AI capable of perfectly mimicking Bach. I say mimicking, not creating new music. Bach would wake up, have his cup of coffee and breakfast in the garden and suddenly something pops in his mind, quickly he fetch a paper and start jotting down the concept of his new concerto. AI does not do that, not yet.