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Mechanics and Disassembly of the Norinco QBZ-97 / Type 97 NSR
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The Chinese military introduced a new 5.8x42mm cartridge in 1987, and then developed a new bullpup rifle to use it. The rifle was the QBZ Type 95, and it was a bullpup rifle with a rotating bolt and short-stroke gas piston operating system. Shortly thereafter, a commercial export version was released in 5.56mm NATO, designated the Type 97. While Norinco rifles are barred from importation into the United States, they have become available in Canada. The rifle we are looking at today is a Canadian import Type 97 NSR.
Thanks to Daniel and Colin for arranging this opportunity for me to take a look at the rifle!
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QBZ actually stands for 'Qiang, Bu, Zi dong'. (枪，步，自动)
Qiang（枪 qiang1） means Gun， Bu （步 Bu4） means rifle （normally rifle is Bu4 Qiang1[步枪] in Chinese）, the 'Zi dong '(自动) means Automatic.
Therefore, the QBZ code means Gun-Rifle-Automatic.
Nice, I thought Q stood for 轻(qing) (light)
Can Confirm.
I foresee a joke somewhere about Zi dong / automatic Mao
@@djdrack4681 That would be 泽东 or Ze Dong.
Which would be quite different in Chinese.
bing chilling
I love how they had a perfectly good captive pin system in place, and then for the second diassembly pin, they decided nah, we're just going to HK this one.
How did you escape?!
Rock Island Auction Company Because he is gun jesus.
Endeavour from rock island auction house
Gun Jesus phased through the front door and escaped.
I distracted the guards with Finnish mustard herring.
He didn't escape, he was never truly there.
The reason that the ejection was so strong on many Chinese weapons is because the Chinese military uses steel shelled cartridge instead of brass. China don't have a lot of copper mines and they were concerned about that. So they made the extraction so strong to make it function properly even using steel shell.
it also dissipates energy more by transferring the energy into ejection. probably helps with lowering recoil.
China has the largest copper reserves in the world....
@@kovona and the largest population and manufacturing
@@monkeylee4818 Yeah, you're wrong concerning "China don't have a lot of copper mines and they were concerned about that". Large scale use of steel cased ammunition as pioneered by the soviets is cheap and effective. The practice was and still is common amongst many militaries inside the once Soviet sphere of influence. All firearms designed to use steel cased ammunition are over gassed to ensure proper feed/ejection. Although nothing I've said will appear as news to the majority of people in this comment section, I figured it was worth pointing out some of the misleading information contained in your comment.
@@girthbrooks39 you are right, I didn't know that back when I wrote that comment
He took the stock off and everything after that is like a fever dream
Some thing I know about the type-95 and 95-1: The forward ejection, gas adjustment and recoil absorber were the key improvements from 95 to 95-1, which you all have in this export version type-97 rifle. The type-95 was the first 'build from scratch' gun-ammo system in China that it took a long way until they addressed all the initial problems and make it into 95-1. I remember reading some papers (may not be true story) that a lot of time and money spent on resolving the ejection issue and they finally realized a piece of plastic would do the job.
In fact, the Chinese official has never fully accepted the bullpup design, the army maybe forced to accept this from political reason, but a conventional-design assault rifle family was also taken place in parallel with the type-95 and eventually became the type-03 rifle. The type-03 is a AK-like (more precisely type-81 like) rifle family and some said it is what the army really wanted. It is also interesting to know that the type-95 now official adopted by the army force, which the length of the gun in conventional use isn't that big an issue; but the type-03 is now being adopted by the Chinese marine corps and paratroopers, which shorten rifle maybe more appropriate.
Anyway, it is a never-ended argument among the Chinese official and also among the fans: whether the type-95 or the type-03 is better. It seems a bit waste of effort to develop 2 gun families in parallel but some said that it was the price to pay for learning. I'll be interested if some day you can put an export version of type-03 on video and talk about what you think of these 2, that will be great.
One more thing, among all strange Chinese guns, the type-79 Sub-machine-gun may be one of the weirdest. It was designed as a 'jungle-SMG' back in 60s for the potential conflict in south Asia, a concept that I never understand. I has a very high rate of fire (1000+ rpm I guess?) for a less-than-2kg gun but very small magazine (20 rounds). It uses 7.62×25mm Tokarev cartridge but gas-operated, so in full-auto it just uncontrollable but in single shot it has unusual high accuracy for a SMG. It never formally export so it is un-heard for foreigner but it is the most common gun that can be seen by a Chinese citizen since most Chinese police forces are still using it. I'm sure it will fit the title of 'forgotten weapon' if you can find one and talk about it.
"don't want it to look like an AK"
first thing he pulls out is an AK bolt
*copies the SA80 but fills it with AK parts*
@@Greentangle you really dont know what you're on about do you. ill agree with that if you're on about teh LA85A1 but the LA86 really is up there. ian has agreed with that statement in one of the videos
@@Dan-ci3sm your blind and an idiot. Looks nothing like the british junk sa80
As chinese,something i need to say,the use 5.8mm but not 5.56,because they can use NATO 5.56 when in a war,but NATO can't use their 5.8mm
@@user-ur9yh8wi9c en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests
That gas port selector is actually a really neat design, props to the Chinese designer that was responsible for that.
Interestingly, in China, when I last visited and on the occasions before, the QBZ-95 and it's derivatives were rarely ever seen in the hands of any armed police or military units usually seen guarding certain places. Instead, a large majority utilised the QBZ-03 (a conventional style rifle in the 5.8x42 DBP87 cartridge), the Type 97-1 police shotgun (a Remington pump action copy with a folding stock/often seen with a box magazine) and a Hawk semi auto mag fed shotgun (with side folding stock), whilst some were sporadically seen with the Type 05 (a bullpup submachine gun chambered in the 5.8x21mm cartridge).
Words on the internet here (as, in China) is that mass-produced Type-95 rifles are notoriously low in quality, gas leaks anywhere, very not ergonomic, etc. Rumors claim there're voices in the military pushing for adoption of the Type-03 rifle, which is basically a modernized Type-81 using 5.8mm ammo, which in turn is a highly modefied Kalashnikov design. I wouldn't be surprised if 03 rifles are adopted in small volumes by police, while the majority of the military are stuck with 95 family.
As to the Type-05 smg...well before all we had were Type-79 smg which is way too ghetto for today, and are ought to be replaced for a while.
On train stations, I've seen the QCW-05. the suppressed submachine gun variant of the QBZ family, if I wasn't mistaken. Usually carried without a suppressor.
irrlicht321 pretty much the Type 05. Common in airports too, especially towards Beijing. Down south it's almost exclusively QBZ-03 and Hawk semi auto shotguns, with bank transit van guards all carrying the Hawk semi auto shotgun
HexPallett
wait, I've heard suspiciosuly similar things about another bullpup assault rifle from a different country already. Hmm...
Ah, I see. Yeah, I've been primarily in the north. Interesting they have so much regional variation.
Is the actual Chinese cartridge close to being power-wise between 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 or more of a slightly more powerful 5.56?
Very close to 5.56.
Weaponsandstuff93 supposed to be a bit more powerful than 5.56 while being as accurate.
Thanks for the response.
Ok thanks.
Forgotten Weapons
Then why not modernize the 5.56 like the 262 and 855A1 instead of developing a round that's not all that better then 5.56?
Chinese patriotism?
I love how well you explain the mechanics of the internal components! I really feel like I can understand and learn about it even as a total gun novice, who might otherwise be lost if someone wasn't explaining in simple terms and with great camera shots and effort to show what exactly is being talked about.
Pretty much all Ian's about. Plus awesome history facts. It's why I love this channel too.
Spairus it's not all he's about.
But it's one of the best parts of his content, even if it's not always perfectly done.
For example here, he should have devoted more time to explaining how the recoil springs work, since it's unclear on film.
What? You jump cars in KSP and now like guns too?
By the way where have you been, there hasn't been a video in ages ;(
I was incredibly excited when i saw this rifle. I've always been interested in them but couldn't find a lot of detailed vids. Thanks Ian! Keep up the great work!
Thanks Ian. Now I'm reinstalling Battlefield 2
its also in bf4
This bad boy is a beast on PUBG
@@DJ_Intrusion me and my mates have nicknamed it the shredder
lmao
In PUBG once my squad and I picked up a QBZ we turned on the mic to all and scream “ITS TIME TO LIBERATE THE MAINLAND!”
Interesting how despite being mechanically completely different from the FAMAS it's built pretty much like it, receiver on the rear, barrel, sight posts on the barrel and handguards and cover more or less pinned around those. Also interesting how the gas piston is kinda of a hybrid between a tapped and really short long-rod short stroke piston. And mechanically it's a mix of AK, VZ-58, VSS/ASS on the sear with a bit more of FAMAS like the charging handle, trigger bar and final buffer.
Muzzle break, cocking handle with the guide tube and rod, trigger and the trigger actuating rod, the forward non-captive crosspin and the way the top hand guard disassembles reminds me of the FAMAS.
I got one of these :) here in Canada it's the cheapest bullpup on the market.
TheLoneOnion what do they cost in burger bucks?
hummerskickass 675.00
675？ where you got it？ The lowest price I found is $749.99
675... cannuck or yankee pesos?
DudeNumberOnePlus kanuk. Used to be around 1000 syrup dollary doos
I was curious about the multistrand coil spring and found out that they are more resilient to compression, fatigue less over time and have the advantage of continuing to work even if a strand breaks. Neat!
I have shot it a couple times in Chinese military. Chinese type 95-1 is better than 97. They don't have issue with magazine. It changes magazine as fast as Ar15. The safety is right beside the hand grip. You can shoot with left hand in fact if you dont lean too forward. Only problem left is high scope mount. Chinese want this rifle shoots better than Ak but more important thing is better reliability than AK.
So you are a real Chinese soldier?
@@zennoix9984 after military service you can still go aboard as long as the "secret secure period" ends, this makes sure you wont have idea with what's going on in the pla recently. For a regular soldier this period is typically very short 3 years tops, for expert it is long. so yes he could be a pla vet. But it's internet you know can't make sure if he is. lol
@@dding01 Yep, and you dont need to be soldier to try those guns, there are some shooting range in China, one of the them in Beijing, I tried the qbz95, and type 85(Chinese version SVD) and qsz92 pistol. It was a amazing experience, since when I was in college in U.S, I cant find a SVD in any shooting range to try. The qsz92 is the only gun that has issue, it keeps jamming, probably due to the magazing design problem.
@@qiyuxuan9437 where that shooting rnage in beijing? i have friend in there
@@oggyoliver3651 About 1 hour drive north from downtown Beijing.
He will get his hands on everything. And I mean EVERYTHING
The AUG is super modular. The Tavor mitigates a lot of the speed problems of bullpups. The F2000 is totally sealed and completely ambidextrous. The QBZ shares with the Famas and L85 the honor of being a rifle...
I think he is referring to the quick barrel change system on the AUG, which is something I haven't seen on a lot of firearms, let alone bullpups. I'd argue the Tavor has a lot more options for being modular (trigger packs, caliber conversions, changing from left to right, etc), but it's also a gun that's literally decades newer in design. The AUG is a relic from the 1970s that has held up amazingly well.
Of course you can - if you have a standard stock and a lefty bolt to put in.
Magni56 It seems like a pretty crap rifle imo.
at $600 CAD (~460USD 1/4 of what Tavors go for), it runs super reliably with Barnaul steel case ammo ($0.4CAD per round), reliable (haven't cleaned after 2000 rounds still works every time), and you can abuse it however you want, you can't beat that as an entry level bullpup. It's like a Corolla of bullpups
Hey dont group the famas with the l85 and qbz those two are giant failures as far as practicality is concerned
ForgottenWeapons, here are how the QBZ-95 and Type 97 users get around the optical mount problem:
1. there are aftermarket adaptors to make it compatible with picatinny rail, though unavoidably makes the sightline high;
2. aftermarket conversion kit that convert the upper body into full-length picatinny rail;
3. newer iteration of Type-97 on Norinco catalogue has the abovesaid version available.
For some reason I wish our Lord and Savior, Gun Jesus, would team up with a manufacturer and design a gun. Mechanically unique, odd, superior and yet still functional and practical.
Frederik Claeyssens but it would have to be forgotten, and that would not do at all!
What? Is this a real statement? 😅
!!! He seems like the perfect consultant at least! This is good thinking! It seems like someone should be asking him "Lord, what be thy favorite features of all of these, your children?" so to speak. We might end up with something that is made of stampings, has six moving parts, and never fails. Maybe it can only be operated left-handed, but what can you do?
I'm a mild mannered Australian school teacher. Is this the attitude of evangelical Trump voters?
and definitely _made in France_
It would be nice to get those awesome Chinese imports again. I don't think we would get support from the US manufacturers though, I honestly think they would be one of our biggest obstacles.
US won't deal with Norinco officially because they sell missiles to our enemies. And unofficially because they were caught in a sting trying to sell 2000 AKs, plus tanks, missiles, rockets, and mortars to US gangs.
if you could get well made chinese AK's for $500 the market would flip on its head
Patrick Takada That would be awesome.
Targetpopper
ChaohsiangChen I disagree, it would have a positive effective however of giving poorer American citizens access to firearms.
Those special design features and functions on Tavor and FN2000 were not available on QBZ mainly because:
1. The Chinese must keep the cost down; their army is huge in size.
2. QBZ already fielded the PLA when Tavor and FN2000 were still on drawing boards.
3. The Chief Designer was a university physics professor and he had no previous experience with firearms design.
"3. The Chief Designer was a university physics professor and he had no previous experience with firearms design." Where have I L85'd that one before?
But...why?
I’m going to need a source for the third part.
@@matthewpham9525 Well, the designer removed bolt release button, because he think it is a useless function😂. At least they fixed those design flaw in the 95-1 version.
@@matthewpham9525 I don't have a source, but I think it's believable. Just like in times of need you convert civilians to soldiers and convert civilian gear to military gear, it seems quite reasonable to convert civilian research teams to military use. It's not like we need a dedicated team of rifle designers over the course of decades, one good rifle is often good enough, and I believe that was the philosophy behind making the QBZ a jack of all trades kind of rifle.
Ian don’t fall for the myth of not being able to complete a rapid mag change on a bull pup. It’s simply down to training. I am willing to bet I can complete all drills on a bullpup in a respectable time and won’t be lagging far behind you with your AR.
On top of the rifle commonly is for assenbling “95式白光瞄” [idk what's the English for that] that is a 3.5X scope for type 95, I used to have one but yeah I don't think that you can get it out of China
直譯為Type 95 White light Scope
We have a new version here in Canada, the Gen 2, that has a flat top upper and the following features:
Keymod Rail System
Ambidextrous Safety Levers
Full Length Optic rail
Short Stroke Gas system with rotating bolt- 3 Gas Settings (Allows for .223 or 5.56mm at variable pressure loads)
Non-Reciprocating charging handle
Front/Rear Adjustable sights included
And of course, Gen 3 is the common one now, but haven't seen any import since last year.
the magazine is adopted so that this gun can use 5.56, its different from what PLA is useing,the magazine releses like the AK before adapted,so that why it is difficult to use.
Ian, good review. I forgot to mention that the YMA 95 scope from the PLA fits directly the rail on this thing. A guy from China moved a few of these scopes to Canada but the guy ended up in jail as the scope is military issued and he somehow exported them illegally. It is an illuminated 4 power scope. I have seen them but never manage to source one in.
I had both the YMA95 and the 95-600. It is neat but it has crappy battery life and the reticle is awfully tiny.
@@2damaxmr2 So he got arrested for a completely shit scope? Lmao
@@visassess8607 that i have no idea. i brought the scopes and sold both for double the price.
That levered recoil buffer thing strikes me as clever.
Its similar in concept to a recoil buffer found in the FAMAS! Surprised Ian didn't pick up on that. (He mentions it in his FAMAS video, though the civilian model didn't have it)
Ian, this is a 2nd Canadian model, as they 1st was deemed by the RCMP to be unfit for sale to civilians, so they had to redesign the firing mechanism
For some reason, after seeing all of these military bullpup rifles, I want to see how these rifles would look if they were designed with the magazine in front of the trigger mech. Lots of interesting innovation in terms of ejection methods and fire control mechanisms.
Then it wouldn’t be a bullpup, the whole point of the design is to condense the rifle so soldiers can bring them into IFV’s while maintaining a full length barrel. The concept fell out of use now that the west has finally accepting and fantasy gun battles at extremely long ranges doesn’t really happen and that the 300 meter rule still applies
Had Friends in the Chinese military telling me that no one liked this gun, no one liked bullpup everyone preferred the good old type-81 which is basically an AK. For this reason Chinese military also adopted Type-03 rifle, a modernized AK. Both OK guns, nothing phenomenal, but good choices when you want to arm a 2.3 million-men army.
Chris Shen Why did no one like the bullpup design?
Because the bullpup design sucks
It's restricting as hell
Chris Shen type 81s should be in Canadian hands by next month. Hopefully ian will be back to do another review on them
side note, you can get the type 81 in Canada Unrestricted with the longer barrel... along with the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles, they're THE ONLY AK variants that you can get unrestricted... mags just have to be pegged at 5 rounds.
Another great video. The best ever. Detailed description and professional understanding of the mechanics of weapons. The QBZ 95-1 is a much improved version that will serve the military well. I hope that they will produce a civilian version. The trigger sear assembly can be removed quite easily too. The rifle can be detailed disassembled without tools. K.I.S.S. system. As you can see, you have access to every part of the rifle. Sight acquisition is very quick with bull pup because you hold the fore grip which is close to the muzzle, that is why professional 3-gun shooters hold their rifles with their left hand stretched straight holding the fore grip close to the muzzle. Thank you Ian for another great video.
Thank you so much for this video, I've wanted to take a close look at the Type 95/97 for quite some time! You are the ONLY video showing anything close. Thanks again!!! Liked and subscribed!!!
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I think that there are also Light Support Weapons with longer barrels and bipods and a 75 round drum magazine, a very short barreled carbine/sub machine gun version in 9mm calibre (?). (for weapons crews, helicopter pilots, vehicle crews, etc).
Plus a suppressed version for special forces use, a sharpshooters rifle with a telescopic scope, a bipod, a smaller capacity magazine, etc which is similar to a Designated Marksman Rifle with better accuracy etc.
Rifle grenades, bayonets, various attachments etc are also issued.
AvE would criticize the hell out of that furniture. No glass fiber reinforcement? GABAGE!
That proprietary chinesium mount point
Do they have these at Mao's Pound Land?
Waiting for that vijeo
What have I unleashed?
From some comments that AvE has made I get the feeling he is no fan of guns
I'm Canadian and have one of these I picked up for $500 burger bucks 2nd hand. There is a rail you can get that clips into the optic mount and converts it to accept standard mounts. However, the optic ends up pretty tall on top of the hand guard. The other thing about this rifle is it can be a bit picky about which AR mags it likes. It definitely DOES NOT like P-Mags
I want one!!!! Thank God I snagged a NIB Factory 26 (Norinco) 1966 TT-33 pistol awhile back to accompany my Polish and Russian Toks:)-John in Texas
2 Forgotten Weapons videos at one evening, made my day!!! Thanks Ian :)
As a lefty who has shot the T97 fairly extensively in 3gun, I would not recommend attempting to do so no matter how carefully you position your head. Unlike the Tavor/etc with comparatively gentle plunger ejectors, the T97's fixed ejector kicks cases out with enough force to split lips.
that is one way to redirect the energy by splitting out the cases hard thus the low recoil. but the butt is fairly long it is easy to put the face behind the ejector.
When I first saw the bot assembly I was just like "what?" because it is so unlike western designs.
A look into a fancy-looking local rifle always boasted and never disassembled by Chinese magazines/videos. Cool stuff!
Tons of Americans bad mouthing the T97, while I haven't heard a single owner confirm any of it, atleast not IRL. Ergos are crap, but no reliability issues.
Ergos aren't as bad as they seem, but are definitely a detriment. The biggest problem with these rifles is quality control. You'll probably get a rifle that is utterly reliable. But there is a chance that you might not. The serial numbers have a year prefix, and they are built a little better every year, as they iron out the kinks.
For some reason i absolutely love these Chinese rifles
Just a copy of FAMAS
The Illyrian are u blind? Do u have an eye?
The Illyrian does it even look like the famas? It’s absolutely different.my friend also claim that it isn’t a copy.
spleenya I love chinese guns because they have lesser recoil which is easier to handle.
FastDucky Gaming and cheap
the type 95or 97 is in ARMA 3 as the CAR-95 and it's in the 5.8mm cartridge there
Thats cool about the adjustable regulator. I got that on my SIG's piston and use the single shot setting for hunting. I love that. Totally changes the characteristics.
A cool looking rifle that Canadians can get but I can't because I'm in the US? Never thought I'd see the day...
True. I was never a big fan of things like drum magazines or beta mags though. They always just seemed kind of bulky and heavy to me. Plus, many (but not all) of them are less reliable than most conventional stick magazines and standard capacity 30 round magazines fit in standard sized pouches. That's why I only own 30 round mags for my rifle and not 100 round or even 40 round mags. Of course, I realize that they are only supposed to have something like 10 rounds in a detachable rifle magazine up there...
Edit: As a side note, even though I'm not personally a fan of high capacity magazines and don't use them, I still don't believe there should be any legal restrictions on magazine capacity.
The heavier DBP-88 bullet intended for LMGs is now standardized over the lighter DBP-87 for better ballistic performance.
I actually shot a QBZ-95 and 95-1, military full auto one, they were issued to a local SWAT unit. The 5.8 version is better, although it used AK Type magazine release, it's surprisingly light and easy to guide the mag in. The troopers I've met can do a mag change faster than me with an AR😂 it points really good, average trigger, lighter than other bullpup guns. Action is smooth and light, doesn't kick all that much. Very controllable gun in full auto. A lot of SWAT guys and soldiers compliant that the -1 removed the "foregrip" and it's uncomfortable in close quarter combat, so local companies came out with a picatinny handguard for guys that wanted a vertical grip. From what I heard, the -1 removed the foregrip so the marines can put their precious grenade launchers on there 😂
Grenade launchers are bae
Can launch potatoes
News update, after PLA fully roll out the new training outline. (last year I suppose?) Guys in the army also have grenade launchers to use.
Oggy Oliver you 👎big time!
@@Flyingaceful ok bitch
That optic mounting rail reminds me of some of the ones added to the various export models of Chinese SKS. It's commonly called the 'rail to nowhere' because it's near impossible to find mounts to fit it. I have a nice little 'paratrooper' SKS that has one, and it has a tendency to snag on my clothes if I sling the thing, so I took a cheap brass 8mm Mauser stripperclip and modified it to cover that thing to make it snag less.
One of my favourite weapons
Beer can grip the magazine! Love that!
Coming to an island near you!
Coming to a newly made island near you!
Thanks for such a thorough description of the internal mechanics!
There's another in-game weapon off my bucket list. 🙂
Never underestimate simple and functional in firearms: if you're explaining modern weaponry to a conscript army this is a good way to go. (OK the AK74 is even simpler, but it's basically a 1940's design)
correction volunteer army
@@alanOHALAN Well, theoretically it's still a conscript army, but being world's largest country by population, stream of recruit was never really a problem. Hence, it is a volunteer-based army in actuality.
Me? I naturalized as Canadian before I was liable for "conscription".
It's an AK for the modern era! Simple, cheap, reliable, and good enough - not great, but good enough - to get the job done. Cool!
Yeah, no. xd
And light!
@@user-cf8zu1qy3b these are pretty heavy
The AR platform is cheaper then a Type 95 now lol
Very few Chinese are left-handed. They discourage left-hand writing from childhood. Hence, any Chinese gun design is exclusively for right-handed people.
Gun Jesus is back 😍
Can you try to get your hands on a G11?
I think he already did, but the vid so far is nowhere.
He certainly will, it's just a matter of finding someone who will let him look at it.
He's probably still trying to put it together
I hear if you utter the words Helmut Kohl into the mirror 3 times a G11 is bestowed upon you by the almighty Kraut Space Magician.
Ugliest gun in the world
I've always been oddly curious of this rifle. Thanks Ian!
The rear sight nub, I believe, is retained from the original QBZ type of night sights. Originally that post at the rear would have a tritium insert and you would line it up with two tritium dots on the front sight housing. This is mostly speculation on my part due to lack of Chinese documentation but I believe its a well educated guess.
That's correct, Ive seen a few photos of the arrangement.
9:00 maybe that's the grenade sight, and it lined up with something on the grenade itself?
Wish they'd repeal the Chinese gun bans in the States, then we can get cool stuff like this or even cheaper ARs or M1As that aren't vastly overpriced or SKS being less than $100 again.
Patrick Gonzalez tell that to Walmart, Apple, etc
Dat some aggressive comment typed on a Made in China keyboard sent from a Made in China Cable.....
Theres still the "sporting use" laws so these guns wouldn't be legal to import regardless
@Patrick Martin No it's because they made inexpensive guns and the Clinton administration wanted to dry up sources of ALL guns.
@Reaper5.56 Xx it's got nothing to do with that, it's all about the American gun company's getting the cash from Americans buying their shit
I just can't help it. I like bullpups. I don't have a problem shooting Tavor X95 from the left shoulder, but it does fling brass close enough to your lips be disconcerting until one gains some confidence that it won't hit you. I would want to convert to L.H. ejection if I were left handed. It will be interesting to see what Left handed people think of the MDR. The ejection is very much forward, but from the usual ejection port location. It seems the brass would hit your support arm when shooting from the left shoulder, at least if you let your elbow float up at all.
The trigger might be "gooey" to put it kindly.
But I have to give it to the Chinese. That trigger system is impressively simple. And simple is always better.
Very little bullpup rifles have triggers that aren't bad iirc
I don't know, to me the AK will always have one of the most badass and imposing profiles of any firearm...
To me, the AK gives off the impression of a cheap, and amateur military force.
But it allows guerrillas to fight those professional military effectively, that's why its still an imposing firearm. Not to mention the modern variants, there's more than one type of AK.
"This is a civilian export model"
Darn-
"Here you can see its adjustable gas regulator, set it to this and you can see its flash hider here is the proper diameter with gas-sealing rings for using rifle grenades"
-WHAT?
When does a linear hammer become a striker?
If it had a little nubbin on the front to hit the primer directly, instead of hitting a firing pin?
Also, even i can see that it looks alot like an AK on the inside.
If it 'aint broke....
One interesting thing: the original design of the Type 95 had a selector near the pistol grip, but was rejected by a general. They later found that was a stupid decision, and reverted the change.
Michael Wang whichever general made that decision obviously sits in a chair a lot. Hey look something we have in common.
@@Drownedinblood How much you want to bet that is to save like 2 bucks on cost per rifle.
"We're gonna take it out to the range..." YES! "...The video of that will be uploaded tomorrow" :(
I hope the fx 05 xiuhcoatl gets to be available for export sales I would love a forgotten weapons episode on that
You're the Bob Ross of firearms.
So little is known about these guns, I've been waiting for the day where you do a video on them one way or another because I really wanted to get your opinion on them Ian. Great video. It will be very interesting when the PLA finally dips its toes into power projection abroad in Africa or the Middle East and we start seeing Chinese units engaging non-state actors with rifles such as these. Then we can perhaps get some juicy performance data and such, similar to the AK-74's first outing in Afghanistan.
Damn, I wish we could get these in the US.
it's not possible
Trump don't like this
Looks very similar to the FAMAS...
I mean, the buttstock, the carry handle, the charging handle, the buffer and even the disassembly pin are the same !
And even the color!
Robert Lee Yeah
And you realise that, the purpose is the same ?
It fires cartridges !
It is definitely a copy of the FAMAS !
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Wait...
Have I got to far already ?
Robert Lee hey do you want a pink gun?
@ 11:30, A- I've read elsewhere that the plastic, at least on the early models, was rubbery/soft, so as not to become too brittle in Siberia and crack.
B- I've also read that the stiker-fire design, was to lessen the usually lousy bullpup trigger pull. Apparently it did't work.
Ian,you are doing an excellent job,your videos are comprehensive,detailed,and also you seem very well spoken.I only wish if you would include metric measurements....it's 2020.Keep up with the good work.
Honestly I think the Chinese have hit a really nice sweet spot in calibre. Considering they use it as a squad automatic calibre as well much better then the other offerings. As for the rifle I would say it's a pretty damn effective military rifle, cheap, durable and good enough.
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5:40 Wait wait wait. To release an empty mag, you have to manipulate the charging handle? Wha? That's terrible design.
Am I misunderstanding?
You don't have to. BUT you do need to use your firing hand to strip the mag, then rack the charging handle to chamber new round with your support hand (no bolt release). Which is terrible design.
I believe he meant "to drop the bolt*. The mags drop free.
I had one of these. I never had any issues changing the mag. Mostly because in 8 hours on the range it only went bang 3 times.
Steven Loving there are videos showing how soldiers changing mag using the non-firing hand aka left hand, rather quickly
Yep, this is only for the Type 97 tho, since it used AR mag, the Type 95 which used in China, has a AK style mag release in the back, so single hand fast reload is possible. They probably been too do major changes on the type97, since this is target for civilian uses, not military.
Norinco: Hey famas, can we copy your homework?
FAMAS: yea, just don't make it obvious
There's a Canadian company that makes specific upgrades for this gun that improve it a lot. Won't be surprised if this is soon illegal in Canada.
I would love to get my hands on one of these, too bad they're almost impossible to get here in the US.
The rear post sight is for firing grenades ;)
The Kel Tec RDB with the overtraveling bolt seems to be the best answer to the ejection problem that I've seen so far. If they would make it with higher quality materials and a dust cover over the ejection it seems that it would probably be the best bullpup made. I'm still not sold on the bullpup, though.
The FAMAS also has those pins that hold the furniture to the steel. They are adorable to get to work especially in the winter… I'm guessing the Chinese engineers went to town on the French gun when they designed this one.
As a opinion from an Chinese, actually I was really like someone making a video about Chinese weapon.
And for history reasons most of Chinese weapon are very similar and taking designs for USSR weapons.
They are easy to build and cheap, little bit poor accurate. But they all can suit in bad weather like desert or swamp not like M16A2.
speaking of the historic reasons cause after WWII, most of our army’s weapons is from USSR or American and Japan, it’s not systematically.
After 1949 we start to invite Soviet weapon designer to build our own weapons, so basically there are very similar as soviet.
J-10（firebird）is basically from S-27
Type 64 tank is from T-72(its had a very interesting story about this)
GAIC-10(Fiery Thunderbolt )is from Mi-28.
But after the establishment of Sino-US diplomatic relations in Cold War, we start to stop using Soviet weaponry, and after The disintegration of the Soviet Union, we finally start to build our own weapons( for gun and Air Force)
Well we never use other countries artillery cause we are the best in the world.
Type 63 multiple rocket launcher, masterpiece.
But I like ur video anyways, it’s a pleasure to watching ur videos.
"Well, I guess they could have used a hammer..."
Damn Canadians and their awesome new Norinco weapons
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As a Chinese,I know you have make a mistake ,the auto is in the middle ，semi auto is in the back
He mentions this in the video, civilian model of this rifle is not capable of automatic in Canada
This is the gun Harbor Freight would sell if they got into the gun business. Looks good from afar but up close and internally not so much.
Hi Ian, I have seen a video where a left-hand shooter could shoot a bull pup rifle accurately with the butt on his right shoulder. I think with training and practice, you can shoot accurately with your right shoulder without the brass hitting you face.The T-97/QBZ95 have a soft recoil because the recoil spring and striker spring are inline, similar to the dual recoil springs of the Glocks Gen.4 pistols.
The Chinese didn't "take" Hong Kong back from the British, we handed it back when the lease expired, as agreed by all parties when the lease began.
For some reason, this gun is commonly used by Canadian criminal gangs. But that fact wouldn't stop me from wanting one.
Is it? I've never seen it in the news. It's always some tapco'd SKS or sawed off shotguns it seems like.
jarvy251 A lot of police press conferences I've seen online or on tv have a gallery of seized gang guns and usually this Norinco is in that gallery.
So you don't really have any proof they're actually used, just that someone who may or may not have been in a gang owned one, had it confiscated, and the police trot it out every once in a while to make their seizures look more impressive.
Got it.
Regolith The police do claim that gangs have entire crates of these bullpups. And I don't think that the police are allowed to lie to the public.
Canada? Gangs? Are you sure?
Excellent video as usual - just wanted to mention a potential safety issue - if you need to adjust the gas tube setting (7:24) DO NOT use a live cartridge!!!!!!!!!!!! It might detonate from the heat - whilst I realise that the chance may be small, it would be very bad for your fingers if it did happen! Use an empty casing instead - there should be plenty on the ground!
lol who would downvote one of Ian's videos. like you could do any better troll
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I'm a lefty shooter and I've caught a few of the casings on the mouth, it's not pleasant 😅 It's hard to focus on the shot while worrying about this.