Why didn't Germany annex more of France in 1871? (Animated History Documentary)

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 20 лис 2024

КОМЕНТАРІ • 910

  • @percy6070
    @percy6070 День тому +3100

    Napoleon III trying to get himself killed at the battle of Sedan has got to be one of the strangest things of the entire period.

    • @Toonrick12
      @Toonrick12 День тому +481

      To be fair, this was a period in time where honor was more important than one's life.

    • @HermitKing731
      @HermitKing731 День тому +269

      The first Napoleon tried killing himself and failed as well.

    • @oysteinalsaker
      @oysteinalsaker День тому +85

      Napoleon III: "Come at me, frere!"

    • @1Godslayer1
      @1Godslayer1 День тому +58

      He was sick and dying at that point

    • @thevoidlookspretty7079
      @thevoidlookspretty7079 День тому +15

      That says a lot, this period was so weird.

  • @haha2134
    @haha2134 День тому +2722

    Not only did Bismarck 'adjust' that publication to vilify the French, he also published it on Bastille day, specifically to incense the French into war and show them as the aggressors he described. The guy was a genius.

    • @Toonrick12
      @Toonrick12 День тому +252

      You could say he was a... Master baiter.

    • @MTTT1234
      @MTTT1234 День тому +150

      Bismarck always had a plan.

    • @CHALETARCADE
      @CHALETARCADE День тому +84

      Not to mention that the French were on the cusp of modernizing their army, but it was still a long way from having done so, except for its excellent riffles, so France started the war with a cripled artillery, and it turned out to be a very significant issue.

    • @jeremymontgomery9354
      @jeremymontgomery9354 День тому +19

      Bismarck was not a good man. He can be just slightly indirectly blamed for both WW1, and by extension WW2. People talk a lot about Mao being responsible for a lot of deaths, but Bismarck has him beat.

    • @ciaranReal
      @ciaranReal День тому

      ​@@Toonrick12😂

  • @Mirokuofnite
    @Mirokuofnite 23 години тому +2144

    Three Germans were sitting on a train in 1946. After a long, awkward silence, the youngest German spoke up. "Stop looking at me like that! I received the Iron Cross for heroics at Hürtgen Forest." The middle-aged German scoffed and replied."So what? I got the Military Merit Cross at Passchendaele for courage and bravery." Then the elderly German looked up and responded; "I was at the Battle of Sedan and Siege of Paris, and I didn't receive any medals. But at least we won the damn war."

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims 22 години тому +39

      Nice copypasta dude

    • @Mirokuofnite
      @Mirokuofnite 21 годину тому +231

      @@looinrims Thank you, I made it myself.

    • @proatplanes
      @proatplanes 21 годину тому +30

      @@Mirokuofnite It's good, I like it!

    • @aleikava
      @aleikava 21 годину тому +22

      Is the older like 110 years old?

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims 21 годину тому +100

      @ it’s not impossible for a 16 year old who lied his way into service to be alive then, he’d be in his 90s

  • @Aynshtaynn
    @Aynshtaynn 21 годину тому +276

    Still can't get used to Kelly Moneymaker not being there

    • @Ggdivhjkjl
      @Ggdivhjkjl 7 годин тому +12

      He never should have taken up gambling.

    • @Mirokuofnite
      @Mirokuofnite 4 години тому +3

      RIP.

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 День тому +774

    The main aim of the war was to unify Germany under the notion of Prussia being their protector against an aggressive and imperial France. Turning into the aggressor and seizing unnecessary French lands would threaten to upset the delicate balance of control Bismarck had worked his whole career to establish for Prussia.
    There was just no incentive for Prussia at that time when solidifying Germany under their control was a far more important goal.

    • @derrickthewhite1
      @derrickthewhite1 21 годину тому +8

      Prussia WAS seizing a lot of land. It was just buffer-state land, not french land

    • @faenethlorhalien
      @faenethlorhalien 20 годин тому +2

      Also the Brits would not have liked the balance of power getting too uneven

    • @mpk4712
      @mpk4712 20 годин тому +2

      perfect comment. I have nothing to add

    • @scaper12123
      @scaper12123 18 годин тому

      That was my impression as well, that they sought that territory specifically because they could claim its German population made it a necessary component of the German Empire.

    • @commodorezero
      @commodorezero 17 годин тому +2

      Bismarck agreed with you. The incentive is that Wilhelm told Bismarck he wasn't unifying Germany if Prussia didn't take Alsace Lorraine. And that was that. People forget Wilhelm didn't want to unify Germany he had to constantly be nagged into doing it for decades.

  • @peterstamatiou4530
    @peterstamatiou4530 День тому +1448

    Crippling france in debt backfired? Wow hopefully nobody will EVER try that again in 1918 or anything

    • @Ben-jl2rh
      @Ben-jl2rh День тому +12

      Don't you mean Germany?

    • @nickbell4984
      @nickbell4984 День тому +170

      France is the embodiment of not learning from past mistakes

    • @CHALETARCADE
      @CHALETARCADE День тому

      @@nickbell4984 Are you aware that British demands at Versailles were much worse than the France demands? The Brits actually asked Germany to pay for the pensions of British soldiers, something never attempted before and ultimately refused by the President of the USA! So it's a little bit rich to hear about insane French demands! Not to mention that most historians agree that Versailles was a pretext for the Nazis, a myth, a lie weaponized by Hitler, when in fact it had little to do with the second WW happening, but to know this, you would actually have to open an history book...

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ День тому +48

      We didn't prop up a French Hitler to bail us out of war reparations 🤷‍♂️

    • @legueux8478
      @legueux8478 День тому +55

      @@nickbell4984 Not really the problem with Versailles was that it was a compromise between the anglosaxon view, who wanted to take as little possible and rely on the SDN to keep peace, and the french side who wanted to prevent Germany to wage war in the futur. But the treaty acheve neither because the US went into insolation after the war, and Germany wasn't weaken enough. And you can see it, after ww2 where germany was devided and occupied, the territories lost was way more significant, in some way Yalta and Posdam did what France wanted to do after ww1

  • @andrewbachman698
    @andrewbachman698 День тому +371

    Small quibble but none of the other great powers were looking at intervention in the Franco Prussian War. The UK still viewed France as their chief rival and was also furious at the French for suggesting the partition of Belgium, a fact Bismarck shared with them just before the war, Austria-Hungary had just been thrashed by the Prussians and told Napoleon III they would not intervene unless France was clearly winning, and Russia was firmly on Prussia’s side even offering to intervene if Austria-Hungary joined. Bismarck isn’t remembered as a foreign policy master for nothing he had effectively isolated France before the war so there would be no intervention.

    • @Longshanks1690
      @Longshanks1690 23 години тому +80

      @@andrewbachman698 Right, which is why they didn’t seize French land because Bismarck had engineered the situation whereby he could have his war with France without being seen as a hostile aggressor by the other powers.
      HM’s point is that if he had taken French land, it would risk turning the other Great Powers to France’s side due to Prussia being seen as a vengeful conqueror rather than a stalwart defender of the German nation.

    • @Conman101
      @Conman101 22 години тому +26

      @@Longshanks1690^this, Garibaldi in Italy for instance started the war supporting the Germans “death to Bonaparte” but by the end was leading the Vosges and proclaiming the need to rescue the French Republic. Italy wasn’t a major power, but not unrealistic to believe those states were seeing much different.

    • @sparty1928
      @sparty1928 22 години тому +3

      I'd give you a like, but it's just at 69 ;)

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 20 годин тому +17

      Yes, but if Germany had been foolish enough to try to annex large portions of France, Britain likely would've stepped in just to keep Germany in its place. 19th century Britain's policy toward Europe revolved around making sure no single nation could ever get powerful enough to rival them.

    • @adrianwilmot2579
      @adrianwilmot2579 19 годин тому +2

      ​@@RedXlVThey could've invited Italy to the war to reclaim their rightful lands which Napoleon III stole from them.

  • @xoBetsyhy12-y2y
    @xoBetsyhy12-y2y 19 годин тому +200

    Essentially, Kelly Moneymaker purchased the land for James Bisonette, only for it to be rented out by Spinning Three Plates, which returned them to France.

  • @TheStarSerpent
    @TheStarSerpent День тому +80

    1:36 LMAO that new frockling in the flower fields with "Victory!?" is absolutely hilarious

    • @Kasquede
      @Kasquede 22 години тому +3

      I also lost it, his confused hands were perfect

  • @christopheraliaga-kelly6254
    @christopheraliaga-kelly6254 День тому +73

    Bismark had another Ace up his sleeve. Napoleon III had met Bismàrk at Biarritz and had murmured that France had no 'real' objection to German unification.
    As long as France got 'first choice' to several Rhineland city-states, Aachen, Koln, Mainz and Trier.
    I remember seeing an old French atlas in which these places were spelt Aix-la-Chapelle, Cologne, Mantes and Treves: all the French spellings. Bismark knew that these were among the places that were not keen on Prussian-dominated unification. So he told Louis that he'd think about it. And as soon as he could, he made careful notes of the conversation.
    Shortly after the 'Ems Telegram' was released to the press, enraging the French, he published details of Louis' 'conversation. This horrified the German ciry-states, who ac epted Unification rather than be swalloed up in L'Empire Napolienne!
    Napoleon III was made to look even more of a twit!

    • @MineSqualler
      @MineSqualler 21 годину тому +8

      Any map will use the names most common in its language. English maps spelling Vienna instead of Wien is not exactly proof of english imperialism in central Europe. Otherwise very interesting additions to the story.

    • @ultrahigher6739
      @ultrahigher6739 21 годину тому +10

      @@MineSqualler yes, since vienna was not part of england or great britain at all. but the french saw the rhine as their "natural borders" back then. also, those lands were held by the franks, who gave their name to france and multiple frankfurts.

    • @theChaosKe
      @theChaosKe 20 годин тому +4

      @@ultrahigher6739 Those lands are still held by franks, as frankish makes up the central german dialects all the way up to north bavaria (east francia). Another frankish region are the low countries, with dutch as low franconian (middle francia).
      France in particular is the continuation of only west francia and ironically is the only one where frankish went extinct.

    • @ultrahigher6739
      @ultrahigher6739 19 годин тому

      @@theChaosKeyes, that is just the official french justification for the “natural borders of france”

    • @ashutoshtripathi.
      @ashutoshtripathi. 19 годин тому +4

      Man I pity Napoleon III. Imagine trying to live up to your predecessor with none of his brilliance.

  • @W00dstockSJ
    @W00dstockSJ День тому +175

    So, aggressive expansion was too high and they didn't want to get coalitioned

    • @guyburgess7832
      @guyburgess7832 День тому +30

      Sometimes AE isn't just a number.

    • @Aetheris11
      @Aetheris11 День тому +12

      so, they started to spam-investing in economic constructions, waiting for the aggressive expansion to reduce

    • @Septimus_ii
      @Septimus_ii 20 годин тому +1

      Nah, he wanted to avoid it getting that high in the first place

    • @seegurke-bd3yr
      @seegurke-bd3yr 13 годин тому +1

      He did Put His diplomats on auto-improve

  • @harveya1a952
    @harveya1a952 День тому +601

    Because some land needed to be given to James Bisonette

    • @NobleGamer889
      @NobleGamer889 День тому +31

      So he could sell these lands and use the money to fund history matters

    • @Metfan722
      @Metfan722 День тому +29

      What about Kelly Moneymaker?

    • @coisasdewookie8668
      @coisasdewookie8668 День тому +12

      @@Metfan722 he's got enough money

    • @XDrang93
      @XDrang93 День тому +3

      "James Bissonette" speedrun, go!
      ...
      Ah, found it as the fourth comment from the top.

    • @balabanasireti
      @balabanasireti 22 години тому

      Get original, kid

  • @cjraymond8827
    @cjraymond8827 20 годин тому +21

    My wife listens to these while I watch them and half pays attention. When it was over, she said "wait, what happened to Kelly Moneymaker?"

  • @MichaEl-rh1kv
    @MichaEl-rh1kv 23 години тому +577

    Taking only Alsace-Lorraine had also to do with the fact that many Germans considered this regions to be historically German since they had been annexed by France in the decades following the 30 Years' War, and many of the inhabitants spoke still Alemannic or Moselle Franconian dialects.

    • @Korschtal
      @Korschtal 22 години тому +70

      Many still speak the same Germanic dialect today; many people on both sides of the Rhine can understand each other.

    • @Edge51
      @Edge51 22 години тому +37

      Also do not forget the Habsburgs-Lothringen(Lorraine) originated from there...

    • @ajfrostx
      @ajfrostx 22 години тому +61

      In fact 90% of the population still spoke German dialects just before WW2.

    • @Edge51
      @Edge51 21 годину тому +36

      @@ajfrostx The region even today is a mix or mishmash of French and Germans but even after the annex in 1871 the people there were not exactly happy about being brought into the German Empire vs being within France. The interesting deal with Germany and France is just how similar the people are and how much they have in common versus how different they are. Yes I know there are a lot of differences... The whole region of France, Spain, Germany, Austria, and Italy (plus everything else that I did not list) sure they are different but they have way more in common than we realize. The fighting they did over the centuries was essentially a civil war of brothers fighting brothers.

    • @K2ELP
      @K2ELP 21 годину тому +21

      ​@@Edge51any war is a war between brothers, we're all human if you think about it

  • @D2RCR
    @D2RCR 21 годину тому +17

    1:18
    *Napoleon III*
    Imperator Stultissimus
    Conservation Status: Endangered
    Diet: Anything and everything
    Habitat: Here, right now
    Brilliant.

  • @HDreamer
    @HDreamer День тому +19

    I have always been taught in the past, that Bismarck ideally didn't even want Alsace-Lorraine, but since the French collapsed harder and faster than expected, it became politically impossible for him to not take anything. (as in his political enemies at home would have loved to use it to get rid of him) Just like he had already had to fight tooth and nails, for his King to accept the rather mild peace with Austria a few years earlier.

  • @NobleGamer889
    @NobleGamer889 День тому +477

    History matters may not be pregnant but he never fails to deliver!

  • @gustavocarvalholoboleite3526
    @gustavocarvalholoboleite3526 День тому +256

    Sugestion to video: Why do Brunei exist?/not part of Malaysia?

    • @FreddieDowds-dx3ju
      @FreddieDowds-dx3ju День тому +2

      I think he'll only take suggestions from Patreon members, I mean are you a Patreon member?

    • @cv990a4
      @cv990a4 День тому +13

      Because oil.

    • @zhcultivator
      @zhcultivator День тому +3

      this is a really good question.

    • @Andreygnm
      @Andreygnm День тому

      ​@@FreddieDowds-dx3juso this is a suggestion to the patreons

    • @raptorfromthe6ix833
      @raptorfromthe6ix833 День тому +1

      brunei remained part of britain until 1983

  • @pizzaleg3655
    @pizzaleg3655 День тому +105

    I just wrote an entire paper on the Unification of Germany, and this guy was my only source

    • @A_Shrubbery1901
      @A_Shrubbery1901 День тому +1

      valid

    • @FireballFlareblitz734
      @FireballFlareblitz734 23 години тому +12

      give us the grade of that paper when you get it, i'm curious

    • @drmowad
      @drmowad 22 години тому +3

      So, no peer-reviewed sources then?

    • @marceldavis5600
      @marceldavis5600 21 годину тому +1

      lol

    • @pocketmarcy6990
      @pocketmarcy6990 19 годин тому

      He always lists his own sources in the description if you want to use those

  • @RodolfoGaming
    @RodolfoGaming День тому +93

    The question was why take any at all really bismarck was against the annexation of french territory. Only in favour of incorporating the remaining german principalities

    • @bean420man
      @bean420man День тому +38

      Because Elsass-Lorraine had been a mix of French of German speaking people historically. It was an area that is similar to how the Sudetenland was; a mix of both cultures and languages. The victory in the Franco-Prussian war gave Germany the excuse to annex those lands, as that was something that victors did back then.

    • @timothymclean
      @timothymclean День тому +19

      Well you see, "French territory" and "German territory" are only cleanly-distinguishable if you define them as "territory currently controlled by France/Germany".
      Lots of land in the middle was part of prior polities that the French and Germans considered their antecedents, and was occupied by a mixture of French and Germans, and also by people who were individually mixtures of French and German, assuming they bothered to make the decision and didn't call themselves something else.

    • @thehistorynerd8537
      @thehistorynerd8537 День тому +37

      Because around 80% of the lands taken were ethnically and linguistically German, and as a new nation state (Germany for Germans), at least with the public and monarchy, it only made sense. (Now that doesnt mean that the people there were treated well, see another History Matters video I cannot recall the name of)

    • @wilhelmhetrick8948
      @wilhelmhetrick8948 День тому

      Simply put a lot of ethnic Germans were there and there would've been massive public outcry if they Germany just lost soldiers in the name of unification of all Germans but didn't unify the Germans even in a victory as absolute as the one they had.

    • @MM22966
      @MM22966 День тому

      There's also the fact that NOT taking land in a war that saw a lot of casualties may have been seen as a cop-out by the (very nationalistic) German public. If not, why did they go to war?

  • @akaysarkahyaoglu9075
    @akaysarkahyaoglu9075 23 години тому +19

    I have read/heard (not sure) that Bismarck initially didn't want any French land but the Southern German states (as part of their ascension into the German Empire) demanded that he acquire a buffer because a possible French retaliation would likely hit their lands first.

    • @tzarcoal1018
      @tzarcoal1018 9 годин тому +1

      This sounds pretty plausible

  • @milanvondelft268
    @milanvondelft268 9 годин тому +3

    At 2:58 the Channel Islands are shown in red (belonging to the UK). I'm always in awe of the attention to detail, even in short frames.

  • @kingdm8315
    @kingdm8315 21 годину тому +53

    Bismarcks intelligence and sheer intuition is genuinely terrifying.

    • @CarlGerhardt1
      @CarlGerhardt1 21 годину тому +3

      Looking back, Richard Nixon's grasp of foreign affairs was pretty comparable.

    • @ashutoshtripathi.
      @ashutoshtripathi. 19 годин тому +2

      @@CarlGerhardt1 What did he have to show for it aside from dead Cambodian children and China that he empowered which now is the only American rival of note.

    • @evanmoore3114
      @evanmoore3114 19 годин тому +4

      @@CarlGerhardt1 Nixon was a fine statesman, but no way can you equate him with Bismarck

    • @AureliusLaurentius1099
      @AureliusLaurentius1099 17 годин тому

      ​@@ashutoshtripathi. Cambodia were hosting the enemy VietCong and China were rivals with the Soviets
      It would be like blaming the British for siding with Prussia during the Napoleonic Wars

    • @ashutoshtripathi.
      @ashutoshtripathi. 17 годин тому +1

      @@AureliusLaurentius1099 Doesn't justify the war crimes, that's the whole definition of war crimes. You can't justify them morally.
      And no, it wouldn't be like blaming British in the Napoleonic wars, rather, it would be like British investments fueling Prussian industrialization after the formation of North German Confederation and even the German empire, thinking that France is still their biggest rival. Kissinger and the US also realized too late that the Soviets were already in a decline. And they created a much stronger rival in China than the Soviets ever were even when they occupied half of Europe.
      Nothing Kissinger did was a success, China became the biggest threat to American global hegemony.
      Vietnam ended up in a shitshow.
      The support for the massacres in Bangladesh resulted in Kissinger's own ally getting cut in two.
      People think Kissinger was a Machiavellian genius but he was an average diplomat with excellent networking and propaganda skills.

  • @SuperBunkerbuster
    @SuperBunkerbuster 23 години тому +17

    You can also add that the annexed parts were rich in natural resources (coal and iron ore).

  • @tremendousbaguette9680
    @tremendousbaguette9680 День тому +11

    In fact Lorraine was cut in half in the annexation, hence the French refer to the lands as Alsace-Moselle instead. Also, the 1871 border is still materialized in the current administrative units, that is why the departements of Moselle, Meurthe-et-Moselle and the Territory of Belfort have weird shapes, and don't have anymore their old boundaries from the French revolution.

    • @dabbasw31
      @dabbasw31 23 години тому +3

      The German term "Elsass-Lothringen" is even less fitting. "Lothringen" is also the German term for Lotharingia/Lotharingie. Moselle is not Lotharingia. 🤓

  • @timesnewlogan2032
    @timesnewlogan2032 20 годин тому +13

    The tragic irony was that they only took Alsace-Lorraine in order to have Prussian-owned lands to build forts, in case of a future war. By preparing for a war, they guaranteed it would happen.

  • @icygeometry
    @icygeometry 23 години тому +10

    Praying so James Bisonette don't stop getting mentioned at the the end of videos so history (therefore the world) doesn't end.

  • @aliasqar5379
    @aliasqar5379 23 години тому +33

    2:59 now I understand the logic of the colors in the two nations flags 😅

    • @sidiik7701
      @sidiik7701 9 годин тому

      The red in French flag is closer to pink than Germany which has a saturated red color

  • @paleoph6168
    @paleoph6168 День тому +26

    1:18
    Lovely zoo. I wonder what other specimens are displayed. 🤔
    1:33
    The irony of the Prussian using *that* exact model of shotgun lol!

    • @thefrenchareharlequins2743
      @thefrenchareharlequins2743 День тому +2

      "Emperor Most Stupid"

    • @Hyde_Hill
      @Hyde_Hill День тому

      What is it about that model of shotgun? Would like to know.

    • @ryanrasey7589
      @ryanrasey7589 День тому +2

      @@Hyde_Hill It's the "trench sweeper" shotgun the Americans used in WWI, which the Germans tried to claim was a war crime.

    • @NicoBabyman1
      @NicoBabyman1 22 години тому

      I think 1:33 is a reference to “Seven Psychopaths”.

  • @johnvincentio
    @johnvincentio День тому +7

    Alsace had a German-speaking population, which may be reliable. Loraine was the chief industrial region of France. Taking this region would be crippling for the French economy and thus for its military.

  • @coisasdewookie8668
    @coisasdewookie8668 День тому +474

    Bassically, Kelly Moneymaker bought the land for James Bisonette, only for it to be rented out by Spinning Three Plates, which gave them back to France

    • @cyphate
      @cyphate 22 години тому +47

      Kelly moneymaker wasn't named in the post credits so she's clearly got a long-standing grudge on the sovereignty of Lothringen

    • @balabanasireti
      @balabanasireti 22 години тому +2

      Shut up

    • @ezekielcarsella
      @ezekielcarsella 20 годин тому +12

      @@cyphate came looking for kelly moneymaker comments and i was not dissapointed.

  • @LOEKASH
    @LOEKASH 23 години тому +47

    Also, Alsace-Lorraine was overwhelmingly (about 90%) populated by German speakers, which is what Germany very much wanted because of its strong drive by German nationalism. Including a large French-speaking population isn't what they were looking for

    • @benxiro4293
      @benxiro4293 21 годину тому +17

      This always bothered me that Alsace-Lorraine is portrayed as something that was taken from France by Prussia - when in fact Prussia reclaimed land that were annexed about 215 years before by the french. The about 90 % german population were there for a reason ^^

    • @LOEKASH
      @LOEKASH 21 годину тому +12

      ​@@benxiro4293Except the people who were living were perfectly satisfied being French and didn't see themselves as German. When it was conquered, many of them chose to remain as such or left.

    • @Meksgehere
      @Meksgehere 21 годину тому +5

      @@benxiro4293 except that centuries before these lands were part of the kingdom of France. Even Joan of Arc came from Lorraine

    • @tutentyp6934
      @tutentyp6934 21 годину тому +2

      @@LOEKASH And then they were annexed by the French again after most were already at peace being part of Germany enjoying better workers rights. Most Alsacians only cared about the Kulturkampf which ended after Bismarcks sacking, it's voting habbits were pretty much aligned with rest of Germany afterwards. Also there was no option to retain French citezenship without leaving.

    • @TheMourot
      @TheMourot 20 годин тому +1

      @@tutentyp6934 Another example of how the population was divided by the annexation was in relation to compulsory military service. In 1872, only 7,454 of the 33,475 men who signed up did so. 42 years later, up to 20,000 men crossed the border to fight on the French side.

  • @MM22966
    @MM22966 День тому +51

    "Never do an enemy a small injury." -Machiavelli

    • @GabibboReall
      @GabibboReall 21 годину тому

      When you do a big one you get 6 million jews dead and a Europe in ruins

  • @TetsuShima
    @TetsuShima День тому +6

    *Fun fact:* Napoleon III called Napoleon I "grandpa" instead of "uncle". That was because Napo III's father Louis was very negligent and his mother Hortense (Napoleon's adoptive daughter) very supportive and caring

    • @anngarth
      @anngarth Годину тому

      that's both so sweet and rather sad, especially when you think about how horrible louis was towards hortense

  • @TheStickCollector
    @TheStickCollector День тому +23

    Probably because there was no other german majority area in france? assuming it was any percentage German before annexation

    • @dabbasw31
      @dabbasw31 День тому +5

      The Imperial territory of Alsace-Lorraine did contain territories which were not German-speaking. The border drawn in 1871 was not the language border, it was a strategic border. Kind of like the Austrian-Italian border after WWI.

  • @gengarboi8745
    @gengarboi8745 День тому +25

    There's also the fact that Alsace-Lorraine contained large German speaking (or German dialect speaking) population (minus some cities, like Metz), which the Prussians, who already had to "tolerate" Poles and Danes, would be fine with incorporating into the empire.
    Although integrating Alsace-Lorraine would turn out to be much harder for the Prussians to achieve than they thought.

    • @markbecht1420
      @markbecht1420 23 години тому +4

      To be fair, (re) integrating Alsace-Lorraine was much harder for the French than they thought too.

  • @Siltarius
    @Siltarius День тому +9

    That dancing through daisies was just XD

  • @citinox1778
    @citinox1778 День тому +3

    The "in captivity" bit was my favorite. 😂

  • @oLii96x
    @oLii96x День тому +2

    Funfact(s): The french reparations were so high, that all the additional money led to a bubble in the german economcy which ultimately bursted leading to the "Gründerkrach" of 1873. Fact 2: During the peace negotiations, a petition in Prussia demanded to take Indochina instead of Alsace-Lorraine from France. Bismarck however was not a fan of colonies and declined.

  • @renanmiranda68
    @renanmiranda68 20 годин тому +5

    France and Germany make a war over the Spanish throne. Spain ignores it and chooses an Italian prince to be her king.

    • @joshuafrimpong244
      @joshuafrimpong244 20 годин тому +7

      Who left after calling the Spanish people "ungovernable", which led to the previous French-orginated Bourbon dynasty re-entering. It really goes round in circles.

  • @chareuxzero
    @chareuxzero 18 годин тому +2

    I see some people in the comments thinking Lorraine was mostly a German speaking country, while it's the other way around.
    I think many people (even in France) don't know the history of Lorraine, especially the most crucial part, during the Thirty Years' War. So, here's some context.
    The Duchy of Lorraine was a French-speaking region long before it was annexed by France. In fact, Lorraine even fought against both France and the Holy Roman Empire for a long time. During the Thirty Years' War, France (under Richelieu and Louis XIII) decided to "tame" the duchy by killing its inhabitants. They feared that Lorraine would side with the Holy Roman Empire because of the Habsburgs.
    France financed the Swedish army to maximize civilian casualties-roughly 60% of the population was killed. We can even add the plague and famine of this period, which brought the death toll closer to 80%. Richelieu rejoiced at seeing so much death among them (it's written in his diary, I kid you not!). The Duke of Lorraine sought help from the Holy Roman Empire but received none.
    Cowards on both sides. And some still pretend, centuries later, that this land and its people "belong to them".

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 День тому +15

    Alsace was mostly German linguistically and culturally anyway so it would be much easier to intergrate into the German empire.
    Also it’s more land west of the Rhine which makes a future war easier in theory offensively or defensively.

  • @time_warriors
    @time_warriors 3 години тому +1

    The great powers playing their game of chess, as this video illustrates. Each one vying for more pieces on the board.

  • @windfromfelixia
    @windfromfelixia День тому +6

    32 seconds ago. Glad i found something to watch while eating

  • @maximusandersson2389
    @maximusandersson2389 23 години тому +1

    2:23 i know this isent a prime example but i still wanna point out bismarcks genius here and how well he forsaw political events

  • @ytown4
    @ytown4 20 годин тому +3

    We miss you Kelly Moneymaker!

    • @shan4680
      @shan4680 18 годин тому

      Dark times indeed.

    • @user-rk3yb6nd1n
      @user-rk3yb6nd1n 18 годин тому +1

      Is it weird I'm concerned about someone who's existence I'm only aware of because of their patronship of a UA-cam channel I watch?

    • @shan4680
      @shan4680 17 годин тому

      @@user-rk3yb6nd1n No, it's part of the lore and when there's a major lore change without warning, it makes sense to have a reaction, especially in a long running narrative.

  • @Argacyan
    @Argacyan 21 годину тому +1

    Looking at the comments without watching the video I get the sense that this channel had the genius idea of not mentioning that Alsace & Lorraine was an imperial conquest by France annexing German lands in the 17th century, an imperial territory mostly inhabited by Germans at the time. There's still some of it left & it's still an imperialized region today.

  • @AshPrimeDCFC
    @AshPrimeDCFC День тому +4

    Because Kelly Moneymaker stopped funding them.

  • @davidmehling4310
    @davidmehling4310 23 години тому +2

    My maternal grandmother's parents (Molyet) came from Alsace and I think they left soon after the annexation by Prussia/Germany. The dialect they spoke was similar to German, but perhaps their political loyalty was to France or as Catholics they did not want to live under Protestant dominated Prussia

    • @TheMourot
      @TheMourot 20 годин тому +1

      In the immediate aftermath of the Treaty of Frankfurt, the overwhelming majority of the 1,542,000 people living in Alsace-Moselle were hostile to their new condition. More than 50,000 people left Alsace-Moselle on 30 September 1872, as Article 2 of the Treaty of Frankfurt authorised those who wanted to retain French nationality to go to France from the interior before 1 October of the same year. In all, more than 160,000 Alsatians left their homeland to remain French in the months following the annexation, with a further 110,000 signing a declaration stating that they had become German in spite of themselves and therefore felt deprived of their original homeland. In all, more than 400,000 Alsatians chose to emigrate to France on the eve of the Great War.

  • @lucianoosorio5942
    @lucianoosorio5942 День тому +3

    This enraged Otto Von Bismarck, who punished Germany severely

  • @Peri0dPH
    @Peri0dPH 20 годин тому

    I'm actually starting to notice that the historical characters and specifically their uniforms or clothes that he's presenting in his videos seems to be getting more and more accurately detailed. And I'm loving it! 🔥🗺️✨

  • @Custodes_Veritatus
    @Custodes_Veritatus 20 годин тому +3

    Bismarck always has a plan

  • @EebstertheGreat
    @EebstertheGreat 4 години тому +1

    Alsace-Lorraine was the territory France and Germany traded back and forth to get RISK cards.

  • @kubin226
    @kubin226 23 години тому +3

    as some people say AE is just a number

  • @Drheims
    @Drheims 12 годин тому +1

    One small error you got wrong in the beginning is that on the map Prussia didn’t control Al of the North. It was known as the North German Confederation at the time made up of several Northern German kingdoms, duchies, etc as well.

  • @Brukernavn12
    @Brukernavn12 День тому +13

    Because Kelly Money Maker didn’t want the German Empire to get too big and strong

  • @michaelowino228
    @michaelowino228 18 годин тому +1

    Good video.

  • @MJS-lk2ej
    @MJS-lk2ej 21 годину тому +8

    2:55 you're telling me that 40 years later the triple entente used this exact strategy thinking it will somehow work this time?

    • @renaatsenechal
      @renaatsenechal 17 годин тому

      I think it was only france that really wanted reparations and land. The usa wanted stable nationstates and the british wanted their naval empire secured

    • @MJS-lk2ej
      @MJS-lk2ej 15 годин тому

      @renaatsenechal I don't think what each individual country wanted is important when the outcome is identical. Germany lost even more land then France ever did, the entirety of Germanies colonial possession was given to France, the UK (and Australia), and Belgium, as well as a significant portion of Germanies eastern states were used to form Poland. on top of that reperations crippled Germanies economy. the Triple Entente original wanted to partion Germany back to how it was before Prussian Unification, America is the reason Germany remained intact, America did alot to rein in the triple ententes wishes.

  • @J-Bahn
    @J-Bahn 20 годин тому +1

    1:18 portraying Napolean III as a zoo animal is one of the most bizarre yet hilarious jokes ever. This channel never gets old!

  • @hansbreslau8119
    @hansbreslau8119 День тому +10

    Well, Elsass- Lothringen was German since 870 until France took it end of the 1600s.
    They spoke and speak German there.
    And all that hustle because Karl the Great had 3 sons.;)

    • @dabbasw31
      @dabbasw31 23 години тому +1

      And Schleswig was never a part of the HRE. Should Germany give Flensburg back to Denmark? :o

    • @Agonrod2
      @Agonrod2 23 години тому +1

      "Charlemagne le Grand" you mean ?

    • @handdrauf
      @handdrauf 23 години тому

      @@dabbasw31 Where exactly did Hans talk about the HRE? The main point was not Elsass-Lothringen being part of the HRE but being culturally germanic.

    • @skiteufr
      @skiteufr 23 години тому +2

      Only a part of Lorraine (use the correct French word please) was culturally german, the 3/4 of it was romance

    • @johnwotek3816
      @johnwotek3816 8 годин тому +1

      In 870, Alsace-Lorraine was just Lotharingia and barelly different culturaly from East and West Francia by that point. It would only be rattached to East Francia in the Xth century, through conquest.
      Germany wasn't a thing back then. There was no German nation, no German State. Only a bunch of Germanic duchies with a king that quickly tried to paint himself as not Frank to rally the other non Frankish lord, only to gain enough power to obtain the title of Roman Emperor.
      It's only in the XVth century the HRE would start to vaguely consider itself German, which was mostly a dick move by the German nobility to fuck over the Czech and Burgundian nobility. And by that point, the HRE was already nothing even remotly close to a proper State, unlike the res tof Europe and many of it's own subkingdom.

  • @AS-oz6ep
    @AS-oz6ep 13 годин тому

    Imperator Stultissimus
    ..
    I'm glad I looked that one up :)

  • @michaelchristy506
    @michaelchristy506 23 години тому +8

    Bismarck wasn’t just a genius, but he specifically told everyone to not annex any of France to avoid a future war with a now vengeful nation, but they ignored his calls, and that lead to the fall of the empire 50 years later
    He was playing 4D chess while everyone else was playing checkers

  • @roho10011
    @roho10011 16 годин тому

    Excellent as always

  • @URA235
    @URA235 День тому +9

    1:35 New Reaction Scene dropped!

    • @hentehoo27
      @hentehoo27 День тому

      A scene from _Seven Psychopaths_

  • @IsraelTitusRaja
    @IsraelTitusRaja 4 години тому +1

    As retribution, France dictated the Treaty of versailles on germany after the world war 1

  • @ggothemadlad3064
    @ggothemadlad3064 День тому +6

    "Please don't annex us Germany"
    "Ok"
    And nothing bad ever happened after that

    • @CHALETARCADE
      @CHALETARCADE День тому +2

      France won WW1, did they annex Germany? No. Goes both ways I guess.

    • @dabbasw31
      @dabbasw31 День тому

      @@CHALETARCADE Fun-Fact: There were in fact some French who wanted Landau back, as Landau was French between 1680 and 1815 and traditonally a part of Alsace. But the League of Nations opposed that.

  • @colindaniels945
    @colindaniels945 День тому +2

    To point out:
    Wilhelm never outright said no to the demands that a member of his family ever be asked to rule Spain again,he said he'd think it over.
    Of course, this was France pushing its luck as they'd gotten what they initially wanted when Wilhelm agreed that his cousin wouldn't take the Spanish throne

  • @neonmapping1610
    @neonmapping1610 День тому +18

    James Bisonette allowed me to see this video this early

    • @Sip974
      @Sip974 День тому +1

      All hail JB. He is truly our compassionate overlord.

  • @justtheilluminativ282
    @justtheilluminativ282 23 години тому +1

    Good video idea: Why did Canada and Denmark contest Hans Island?

  • @DinosaurNightlight
    @DinosaurNightlight День тому +8

    Prussia's AE was already kinda high and he didn't want to trigger a coalition war

  • @dominikpapryka4042
    @dominikpapryka4042 День тому +1

    Let's go, a new History Matters video 🗣🗣

  • @CT-7529
    @CT-7529 День тому +7

    Im sure james bissonette had something to do with it

  • @lucius_cursor
    @lucius_cursor 17 годин тому

    imperātor stultissimus hahaha! honestly, i love all of the Latin easter eggs when they appear. just pure gold...

  • @anonymous-hz2un
    @anonymous-hz2un День тому +7

    Because the lands where chockful of french, that's why. The better question would be: why Germany didn't give Nice, Savoy and Corsica back to Italy and weaken France. Perhaps even Perpignan back to Spain.

    • @occam7382
      @occam7382 23 години тому +1

      Probably because Italy did jack squat to actually earn that land in Germany's view.

    • @grimclaw1169
      @grimclaw1169 20 годин тому

      Maybe because that wouldn’t weaken France and Italy would probably after a bit of pressure give back those territories

  • @TheHylianBatman
    @TheHylianBatman 13 годин тому

    This is such an interesting period, I wish we knew more.

  • @TransformersBoss
    @TransformersBoss 21 годину тому +3

    2:54 France escaped from financial devastation due to the generous contributions of James Bissonnette, Kelly Moneymaker, Spinning Three Plates…

  • @inoyan1863
    @inoyan1863 23 години тому

    I don't know if History Matters is the greatest. But they sure are great. Thank you!

  • @jasondean1634
    @jasondean1634 19 годин тому +3

    France would have been Germany's rival regardless, losing the war was very humiliating for her and the French were very nostalgic of their "glory days" when they could easily boss around the rest of Europe. Taking Alsace-Lorraine and fortifying it at least insured that the French couldn't directly invade Germany's heartland.

  • @limmeh7881
    @limmeh7881 15 годин тому +2

    Germany thought they could financially cripple France, but France had Kelly, faiseur d'argent on their side.

  • @arananation
    @arananation День тому +6

    Alsace and Lorraine also have a fairly strong German connection. If I’m not mistaken they were once part of the Holy Roman Empire. The French didn’t come up with a name like Strousburg or Metz. Apparently Bismarck also was a fan of French Champagne.

    • @CHALETARCADE
      @CHALETARCADE День тому +3

      Sure, but that region also belonged to the Gauls way earlier, so lets give it back to the Gauls!

    • @Argacyan
      @Argacyan 21 годину тому +2

      @@CHALETARCADE The closest thing to the Gauls still around is Brittany, not France. Brittany was invaded by France.

    • @TheMourot
      @TheMourot 20 годин тому

      @@Argacyan The Gauls populated the whole of France; Vercingetorix, for example, came from the Auvergne. You're simply reducing the history of the Celts in France to Brittany, because that's the last place in France where a Celtic language survives.

    • @CHALETARCADE
      @CHALETARCADE 20 годин тому

      @@Argacyan Your ignorance is amazing! Actually, Britons were not Gauls at all, they came from Great Britain, they ran away from the Anglo Saxons invaders who were massacring left and ring, they settled in that part of Gaul, hence it was called Bretagne (Small Britain). The Gauls were anybody else living in the rest of Gaul, which included both Nothern Italy, Belgium and Switzerland.

  • @evanwilliams1839
    @evanwilliams1839 16 годин тому +1

    As a professional Hoi4 player i must say this, Germany should have just pressed the annex button and then not do anything while they wait out the world tension.

  • @NickB1967
    @NickB1967 20 годин тому +3

    Frankly, the Germans *should not* have annexed Lorraine, they should have won the indemnity and a reunified Germany and left it at that. It might have saved the world a lot of bloodshed later.

    • @johnwotek3816
      @johnwotek3816 8 годин тому

      Not really. Revanchism regarding Alsace-Lorraine had dried down by 1900. The problem was more that the balance of the European order had been disturbed by the newly formed German Empire. Had it stayed just a conquest of Alsace Lorraine, world war could have been avoided. However, German tried to also become a colonial power and a European hegemony. That was garanteed to piss of the Brit. Then they pissed off Russia by chosing Austria over them.

  • @henrywill124
    @henrywill124 15 годин тому +1

    If you wondered why so much of Bismarck's foreign policy was around appeasing Russia, it was because he needed to isolate France to ensure they couldn't get any allies for round 2. He was certain Germany wouldn't win a war on two fronts and well...look what happened.

    • @Tom-is-not-human
      @Tom-is-not-human 10 годин тому

      I read a book about the Paris commune a few months back and it captures this point brilliantly.
      The revolutionaries were kinda frightened of Bismarck cause of how anti-socialist he was. But Bismarck was too busy trying not to make an enemy of Russia to spend too much political attention in putting the Paris Commune down.
      The point being, intelligent as Bismarck was, he wasn't immovable.

  • @Yksssy
    @Yksssy День тому +16

    Cue the 100000 James Bizzonete jokes

  • @Wilhuf1
    @Wilhuf1 22 години тому +1

    I do feel it needs a little Pruessens Gloria in the background.

  • @robertdowling4673
    @robertdowling4673 День тому +7

    Do how much of a world war was world war one? Like what was the war like outside of the European theater?

    • @Longshanks1690
      @Longshanks1690 День тому +8

      There was conflict all across Africa between colonial forces, campaigns between the British and Ottomans in the Middle East and Japan seizing German colonies in the pacific.
      Nowhere was as bad as either the eastern or western front, but there was definitely a global nature to the war.

    • @andreasbartel3449
      @andreasbartel3449 День тому +2

      The US, and Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Japan were participating

    • @robertdowling4673
      @robertdowling4673 День тому

      @@Longshanks1690 I'm aware. I just want him to make a video on it.

    • @robertdowling4673
      @robertdowling4673 День тому

      @@andreasbartel3449 But that's not really a global war. Like their was no fighting there

    • @MM22966
      @MM22966 День тому +1

      Small actions/loss of colonies for Germany in the Pacific. Major battles/extended campaign for certain parts of Africa. Naval actions in all oceans (U-Boats, German surface raiders, naval battles). MAJOR fighting in the Middle East between Ottomans and Brits/French/others. Fighting the Caucuses between Turks and Russians/Armenians. No direct fighting in Central Asia, but it was a big field for the related Russian Civil War. Nothing in China except one port (German colony). Nothing much in South America, Central America, or North America except some small related naval stuff and a few sabotage attacks by German agents. Nothing in Antarctica (lol).

  • @jan_noah
    @jan_noah День тому

    I waited for this all day!

  • @adrianwilmot2579
    @adrianwilmot2579 19 годин тому +3

    To be fair, they should've also focused on incorporating the entirety of the Austrian Empire into the newly unified Germany, but under shared Hohenzollern-Habsburg rule. They could've formed an alliance with Russia and Italy and kept France in check while deterring the rest of Europe from attacking them due to their size and power. The Germans and the Russians were historical allies for a long time in history before the build up to WW1. We worked together to partition Poland-Lithuania, defeat Napoleon, and were allies under the Dreikaiserbund. WW1 was a mistake.

  • @natheriver8910
    @natheriver8910 21 годину тому +1

    Very interesting

  • @P4Tri0t420
    @P4Tri0t420 17 годин тому +4

    Also Germany just wanted the german people in its border (2:13) as bismarck said after the unification: "Deutschland ist gesättigt" (Germany is saturated)

  • @HarvestStore
    @HarvestStore 19 годин тому

    Great video.

  • @springlink3188
    @springlink3188 День тому +5

    How the heck did France pay it back so fast?

    • @Hola-pv3bx
      @Hola-pv3bx День тому +4

      Frankly, I don't know either (I apologize)

    • @Toonrick12
      @Toonrick12 День тому

      Because it still had a modest overseas empire and was able to extract the money from it's colonies rather than France itself. That's my guess anyways.

    • @Longshanks1690
      @Longshanks1690 День тому +1

      Selling foreign securities and issuing sovereign bonds were the main ways France was able to pay the debt relatively quickly.

    • @zazr83
      @zazr83 День тому +5

      @@Toonrick12 That's false, we just had an economy that was growing very fast, thanks to Napoleon III's modernization.
      Also, for a fact, we didn't have such an impressive colonial empire back then, just some worthless islands around the world, Guyanna (a piece of the Amazon rainforest), Algeria (nothing that was to extract from back then) and Cochinchina.

    • @K_1_T_S_U_N_E
      @K_1_T_S_U_N_E День тому +1

      They offered bonds to very good interest rates.
      They got the money in days.

  • @YorkGod1
    @YorkGod1 День тому

    Love these history videos!

  • @pascalbruins5114
    @pascalbruins5114 День тому +7

    2:09 did the Habsburgs really already hold Bosnia at this point?

    • @dalad9319
      @dalad9319 День тому

      No, not annexed anyway

    • @annurissimo1082
      @annurissimo1082 22 години тому +2

      They occupied Bosnia in 1878. Franco-Prussian war was a few years before that in 1871. Consider, though, that these dates are close enough to make sense within the "Germany getting too strong too quickly" argument.

    • @thedragonage3033
      @thedragonage3033 20 годин тому

      @@dalad9319they annexed it in 1908. They occupied it In 1878

  • @Zimisce85
    @Zimisce85 9 годин тому

    I would like to see a video about the Italia "Condottieri". Something like "why did the age of Condottieri end?" or "Why Italy passed from being the most militarized country to the least militarized in modern age"?

  • @Zadok12
    @Zadok12 День тому +20

    The inhabitants of Alsace and Lorraine spoke German dialects, this was one of the reasons they were taken from France.

    • @CHALETARCADE
      @CHALETARCADE День тому

      Wallonia speaks French, should France attack Belgium and annex Wallonia?

    • @fancyfact1389
      @fancyfact1389 День тому +1

      alsace yes was germanic speaking but the small part of lorraine that germany annex was not germanic speaking the city of metz was latin speaking since when the romans conquered it

    • @dabbasw31
      @dabbasw31 23 години тому +4

      Yes and no. The border of 1871 was drawn for strategic reasons. On the other hand Prussia/Germany never claimed the German-speaking parts of Switzerland.

    • @Ghreinos
      @Ghreinos 22 години тому +1

      ​@@fancyfact1389 Are you sure? Even during the Roman times this part was called Germanium Superior, after the Roman Empire collapsed the Burgundians settled there, this area was then taken from the franks. After Charlemagne died, this area was part of the Lotharingian empire, which later in 925 went to Henry the Fowler, the king of East Francia.
      Only in the 1697 Louis XIV ultimately took Lorraine.

    • @fancyfact1389
      @fancyfact1389 22 години тому

      @@Ghreinos you can search on the internet, Metz is literally between the italic/germanic linguistic borders since the 500 ad before it’s was on the Rhine river but the germanic tribes Germanised the modern day Germany’s lands west of the Rhine,

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 19 годин тому

    Fascinating!

  • @mrmackey8776
    @mrmackey8776 23 години тому +2

    France: let us control your foreign affairs
    Bismarck: writes a letter about the situation
    France: declares war
    Francophiles: Germany started the war Bismarck is the devil

    • @dano4996
      @dano4996 22 години тому

      Prussia before Bismarck : no war during more than 40 years.
      Prussia with Bismarck : war in 1864 against Denmark, war in 1866 against Austria, war in 1870. What a peace and love guy !
      He was an extremely shrewd diplomat which I respect, but he was an agressor in every single war, there is no doubt about this. "Iron and blood" as he said

    • @mrmackey8776
      @mrmackey8776 19 годин тому

      @ all three of those wars were defensive XD

  • @USSFFRU
    @USSFFRU 20 годин тому +1

    I misread the title as "Why didn't Germany annex all of France" and thought History Matters was awake at 3 AM again

  • @hidinn6030
    @hidinn6030 День тому +2

    French people would boink them with some baguettes if they took even an inch of land. Unfortunately, the Germans did take even a sliver of land, resulting in the French saying "honk honk" every time they see a German man.