@@DavidTrejo That sounds like a PS1 Bugs Bunny video game that I once played. You say some certain magic words, and a bird comes and picks you up and lifts you up to a higher level.
Good explanation. I was in maintenance for many years, and I have personally changed at least two turbine engines that were damaged enough to automatically shut down after ingesting a single bird (separate incidents). These were turboprop engines that had inlets and compressors much smaller than today's high bypass engines. I also remember one case where a single bird penetrated a radome and punctured the pressure bulkhead behind, causing a minor pressurization leak. Worst incident was a Convair 580 that took a large goose through the windshield and struck the captain, slightly injuring him. The air temperature was around minus 20 C, as I remember, and the first officer, in shirtsleeves, flew the airplane to a safe landing. The torrent of freezing air from the shattered windshield must have been almost unendurable. I am sure other veterans remember the names of the crew. Unsung heroes in my book.
Hopelessand Forlorn and I’ve changed many aircraft windows and radomes because of bird strikes. People don’t understand just how much force it would take to penetrate an aircraft windshield. A bird won’t do it at least not in a heavy aircraft
I was on a plane that had a birdstrike on takeoff. Very shortly after rotation there was a fairly loud rumbling sound only lasting a second followed by a strong smell of something burnt. I did hear afterwards by other passengers that smoke and actual feathers had entered the cabin in the back through the ventilation system but i did not see this in person. The engine that was hit was turned off during climb and the plane leveled off a bit and continued the climb on one engine circling the airport a few times before making a safe landing about 30-40 minutes later. The flight was with SAS going from Bodö in northern Norway down to Oslo. This was in the mid-late 90's. Very disturbing experience for me. It was a bit more dramatic than you get the feeling of from my description. Plane type was a MD-80 i believe. There was a debreifing for the passengers with the crew and then the airline had to fly another airplane up from Oslo with a new crew to complete the flight. We had to wait for about 10 hours for that..
All of this pilot’s videos are an absolute delight to watch: he explains all of his various topics in an interesting and very informative fashion, which makes learning easy and pleasurable for novices and educated persons alike. Excellent channel, I have no idea how I only discovered it today, but, aside from immediately subbing to this channel, I have now also followed him on Twitter and might check in with Instagram (although I always seem to forget to look there). My dad would have loved this channel, as he was a great fan of Mayday (as I am). This channel is really well-worth following and I highly recommend it. To everyone, regardless of their degree of interest in aviation. I will need to download his app onto my iPhone & iPadPro (if available there, too). Keep up the great work!!!
Here in the US, at some of the regional airports, especially in the Midwest, they will use herding dogs to deal with the bird problem. It's an excellent use of the dog's inborn capabilities, the dog gets a good workout, the birds stay away, and he hops onboard his owner's little cart when he's done to be carried safely out of the way of departing and arriving planes. Makes the runway safer, and the pilots really enjoy seeing the dog as part of ground crew!
@@kam0406 aren't they great? It's such a shame it's not practical for the big airports, but for the regionals I think it's great! And they're well taken care of by their handlers. My dogs know when I'm sick, even before I do!(and I figure it out pretty fast) For some reason, since I started rescuing terriers, they've been able to predict asthma attacks before I know anything wrong. I often think dogs are smarter than we are!
He is also extremely likable which - it appears to me -to be as important if not more important as the content and presentation. He has all qualities to the nines. ❤️❤️👏🏼👏🏼👍🏻👍🏻
Currently at Hyatt at Orlando Airport going on a cruise tomorrow. Out on our balcony watching your videos as the plane at the airport fly all around. Pretty cool. Just found your channel. Very informative and fascinating
One real interesting measure that I've witnessed is having vehicles equipped with speakers. The vehicles drive around the apron and outer taxiways playing the sounds of predator birds (to the local bird population) to keep them away. Works a charm.
Captain Mentour, can you comment on the walk around inspection of an airline flight? Who does it? As a low time small aircraft pilot, I know how to check those, but how and what do you do with such a large machine? Does the captain do that? Do you use ladders? How does darkness affect a good walk around? How do you professionals do this when quick turnarounds are involved? Keep teaching !!!
My grandfather was a cabinet maker during WW2 and he ended up working on the aircraft repair because quite a few of them were wooden frames covered with treated canvas. They would get bird strikes and the bird would go through the canvas and hit one of the wooden spars within the wing and then explode. The workers then had to clean up the mess before they could get to doing the repairs.
My father worked as a flight operations sergent at a german airforce base. He told me about a one f4 phantom on final approach that struck an ultralight-aircraft that violated the restricted area of the approach zone. As he told me the pilot experienced noise and rattling but thought that it was birdstrike. He landed, taxied to the hangar were one of the ground staff people looking at the plane and guiding it immidiatly passed out. The other one ordered to stop the engines immidiatly via radio and hand signals. Must have been pretty nasty... Later investigations showed that the guy flying the ultralight was sucidal and this was accualy his way to kill himself. Luckily it didn't cause one of the phantoms to crash... but that propably left that ground staff and pilots with some havy images to deal with if not some sort of ptsd
I was Tower Air Traffic Controller for many years in Portugal, and one day we received an instruction from the Civil Aviation Authority in which we were instructed to retrieve the stricken bird whenever possible and keep it in the refrigerator, so that it could be collected and evaluated statistically later. In no time we had our refrigerator full of smashed seagulls, sparrows, pigeons, blackbirds and starlings. No one ever showed, and we had to mix our edibles with that ever growing morgue! Finally, someone told us to throw away all that mess. It sure was about time! Birdstrikes in light aircraft are always fearsome. In one instance I remember, one seagull hit the windshield of a PA-23 smashing it into pieces, the second hit one propeller forcing the pilot to feather it, and the third went right through the leading edge and was stopped by the main spar, deep inside the wing. The plane make a difficult landing in one engine. In another instance a C-152 was hit by a pigeon on its take off run; it went through the windshield and the pilot was wounded in the head by the magnetic compass and windshield fragments. Lucky not to have been blinded in the incident. I witnessed many more...
Water ingestion is a another reason, although rare. For example TACA flight 110 lost power in both engines as a result of rain ingestion in a severe thunderstorm.
I just happen to come across your channel and have watched quite a few videos. I love the story of flight US Airways flight 1549. But I have always been interested to hear what others pilots thought of what was accomplished that day.
Thank you for another great video! I've seen these techniques for keeping birds away from the airport on a TV show that I like. Modern Marvels did an episode about airports and the history of commercial Aviation. If you haven't already, could you do a video about debris and trash on runways and how dangerous it can be.
Some of the odder and uncommon instances of total loss of power are Eastern Air Lines Flight 855, and British Airways Flight 38. Freak accidents, but hey they're out there. Volcanic ash is the one that would concern me the most. Looks like a cloud that doesn't show up on radar, nasty stuff that is.
You talked about dual engine failure. There is one incident, with a very fortunate outcome, that you didn't mention. It is the case with clear ice coming off the wings during take off from Arlanda, Stockholm 1991. It resulted in the loss of both engines on that MD-81 that was involved. This has of course nothing to do with birdstrikes, but ice can or could at least, be one reason for dual engine failure.
In the 90's I worked at a company where the owner had a private Cessna 414. One day, the boss took a flight with a couple of other people, including a bodyguard. During take off a big vulture crashed with the front window, breaking it, and injured the pilot, leaving him unconscious. With only one pilot, unconscious, the bodyguard who was riding in the front with the pilot, but had never piloted a plane before, took the controls, while the other passenger started beating the pilot until he recovered consciousness. Barely conscious, the pilot was able to land the plane. After this, the boss sold the Cessna and now flies in commercial planes.
Thank you for all your great videos! This one brough up a question that is only losely related to the topic of the current video. You mentioned that during the approach the engines are still producing thrust. Why don't jets land like gliders - only with the engines on stand by power?
Your English is great, but you dont "feel" smells in English. The word feel is only used for one bodily sense,, touch. Sorry to nitpick, particularly because you are clesrly way smarter than me anyway.
@@Apollo-p1l "touch" is a little vague. We feel pressure, relative temperature, vibration, etc with our skin. We do also feel other bodily senses though: we feel hunger, sickness, tiredness, pain, our body temperature. I feel that "feel" is a pretty good word.
Few years back, was on an early morning AA flight out of SFO that hit an owl right on takeoff. Had to circle for a while before we were light enough to land again. The nose/windshield were pretty messed up.
I fly on 737-400, 800s at least twice a month. I've gotten use to the sounds and thumps they make during normal operations. Last flight out of Vegas, I felt in the bottom of the plane what typically feels like the landing gear retracting, but it happened twice. Was one of those thuds a bird strike?
From the ground side, There are also some static noise cannons at some airports (I know JFK has them) and also the vegetation used at the terminals and airport rounds has allot of impact too.
Hi Mentor! Can you make a video on converting your licence, from FAA to EASA (for example), the main differences and what you should focus on etc? And how do airlines in Europe look in people with experience from the US, in my case 1000hr as an instructor. I don't know your case, if you did your initial training in the us and coverted or did everything in europe. I know alot of people that would be interested in a video on this topic.
We were on a takeoff roll (accelerating down the runway) out of San Jose Calif about 3 years ago and heard a bang, a shudder, and (clearly we had not achieved v1 yet), the pilots immediately powered down and applied brakes and we taxied back to the jetway. Announcement that we’d hit some (geese, I think it was) birds and needed maintenance to take a look. Waited for 1-1.5 hrs, then finally decided to cancel my flight that day since it was just a day trip from SJC to SEA and back. I’ve been on hundreds of flights, but that was my first bird strike (that I knew about)!
Great Videos! I have a question from a passenger perspective... Watching some other videos, there are obviously people on the ground with scanners listening to ATC or the pilots... Is it illegal to listing to the pilots/ATC whilst being a passenger and if so why?? Thanks again and thanks for the fascinating insight to the stuff we don't see or hear when flying! Cheers. Jase.
It's not illegal to listen to ATC so long as you are not interfering with it. The restriction on a commercial aircraft would be the same as any electronic device inasmuch as you are not supposed to have any electronics operating during take-offs and landings.
I'm wondering whether it was mere coincidence that this excellent video was rudely interrupted by a UA-cam advert for Turkey, even if for the country's airline and not the Christmas variety, only to be followed by an advert promoting a company called "Dent". Yes, this really did happen just now.
@Mentour Pilot I'm an aircraft mechanic from Hong Kong handling A320/321 most of the time, I rarely see flight crews record birdstrikes in the maintenance logbook. But I can always find blood stains at the nose of the aircraft.
I have a question. Why the Airbus A380 only seems to have reverse thrusters on the inner engines (the ones closer to the cabin)? I've noticed this while watching a wet runway landing video, and other 4-engine planes like the B747 have reverse thrusters in all four.
Hi Mentour! Is it true that turbo prop fan planes are less susceptible to bird strikes? and even if a bird comes into contact with engine, its less of a danger for a plane? thanx
Thank you Petter for all your awesome and interesting videos. I enjoy it tremendously. Just a question about birdstrikes?. Ii know they are uunavoidable, but it breaks my heart when animals get hurt. Is it not possible to put a cover over the engine that will still allow airflow into the engine, but will prevent the bird from being sucked in and cause an engine failure?
Hello mentor. I was simulating a 737 dual failure engine on fsx and slam the plane on touch down. How can I slow the plane without falling from the sky before the runway? Thank you
Decades ago my neighbor was chief pilot for an international airline. Not infrequently they would encounter buzzards.. His claim (very tongue in cheek!) was that the 727 center engine was there to make buzzard stew. The compressor cut the buzzard into cooking size pieces. The flame cans cooked the bird.. And the power turbine cut them into bite sized pieces.. All you need is a plate! :-)
Do you now train for events like the one that happened with US Airways Flight 1549 (Capt. Sully landing on the Hudson River after loss of both engines)?
At YYZ Pearson INT they have falcons in the warmer seasons and a snowy owl in the winter that i see all the time. It's very neat actually watching the owl chase away birds.
One more reason for dual engine loss (at least based on what I've been told). The wiring for the Engine Fire Controlled were crossed, due to not having their connectors keyed, and having the connectors next to each other. Needless to say an AD was written and the problem was fixed...but only after losing a plane.
Herr Mentour, would there be enough time to throttle back prior to hitting a murmuration? Do you think it would possibly mitigate the damage enough to be able to throttle back up? Of course it would be someone with the reflexes of a Bruce Lee. How long does it take to reduce the RPMs to a level that might help? I wrote this prior to watching the whole video. You pretty much answered most of my questions. Did I mention you have great content?
If you haven't done so yet, diversions: what about fire (or other) emergency diversions over water and mountain terrain areas where it is obvious not possible to land. Then what? Thanks.
This explains the lack of food trucks outside of airports! I thought it would be a great idea as there a so many hungry people leaving the airport! Now I totally understand why this would not be a good idea as it would just attract hungry birds where planes are taking off and landing!
I have a quick question... Apparently it costs a lot of money for an aircraft to divert to another airport for any particular reason for example a medical emergency. Why is it expensive for the airports and the airlines etc. to divert? Also, interesting video 👍🏻
+MichaelBrown Mostly the fact that the airline has contracts with a few hundred pax to deliver them to a destination airport now sitting around somewhere that wasn't planned for meaning they need to spend time and money dealing with them all and making alternative arrangements which can often also include needing to accommodate them overnight especially if the diversion airport isn't an airport the airline usually runs many flights from. Of course there is additional fees etc for the extra landing and takeoff and airport ground services like baggage handling etc along with the additional fuel used but mostly it's the massive pita that having a bunch of pax in the wrong place creates that costs most of the money.
MichaelBrown there is no simple answer but rest assured the airlines have an intricate game plan in place for this. you're seven miles high traveling at 500 miles an hour, not the best place to fall ill but it does happen. once the medical emergency has been declared, the flight is given priority by ATC. we do what must be done to get the aircraft down. this takes time, about half an hour, the descent has to be well planned..don't get down too early and waste fuel, don't get down too late and overfly the alternate. the A320 holds approximately 6400 gallons of fuel x $4.70 (composite average) a gallon = $30,080 to fill it. once a plane diverts it almost always needs to be refueled. factor in these variables: how long will the flight be delayed? how many passengers will miss their connections? what if a takeoff isn't possible due to weather, now you have 150 guests in need of transportation, accommodation and meals. it gets costly but it's all part of doing business.
+Ava Mendez That's true though it's not like the diversion should really require them to replace anything like a full tank of fuel probably closer to 60-90 mins flying time worth in most situations I'd have thought. Of course there is the potential for the worst case scenario of having to divert shortly after taking off at MTOW and thus finding yourself with the better part of 10t (3150 gal) above MLW but I am sure that the combination of the fact that not all flights actually take off at MTOW and I'd expect that the number of diversions that occur in the first half of the flight and the second half probably average out to make the average amount of fuel lost per event to be much lower than that. So I still think that probably on average the costs of having to make arrangements for all the pax probably dominates the costs involved. Course as you say it's all part of the cost of doing business and it's certainly not something that should ever be a factor in taking the decision to divert when it's clearly necessary. Besides it's not like there is even a choice here after all failure to do so generally tends to put very large numbers in the expense side of the balance sheet under the heading legal expenses instead.
Seraphina S excellent thoughts. as a rule, we never take off with full tanks.The heavier you are, the more fuel you burn. we take the flight plan, look at the weather and begin working on Taxi Fuel: the amount needed from engine start to arrival at runway threshold. Trip fuel: this includes, takeoff, climb, cruise, descent, approach and landing. Basically A to B. Contingency fuel: what if we need to scoot around a band of severe weather or we're unable to climb to our planned altitude. this results in a higher fuel burn as well. It can either be 5% of the trip fuel or five extra minutes Alternate fuel: in the event we need to go missed and reach our alternate. Final Reserve Fuel: mandatory. for jet powered aircraft, this is thirty minutes flying time at 1500 feet over the aerodrome at holding speed. For the A320, below 6,000 feet is 200 KIAS. 6,000 to 14,000 feet 230 KIAS. Above 14,000, 265 KIAS. I have no idea what it would be for the Boeing 737. Additional fuel: yep, can't forget this one; this is put into the figures in the event an engine quits or loss of pressurization. guess what? this will take us to a lower altitude. so we have a guarantee of getting where we're going even in a worse case scenario. then we come to: Discretionary Fuel: if the PIC decides it is warranted, they can add on a little more. This is just a basic overview, hope it helps❤
"What do you do?" "I shoot chickens and turkey" "Oh, so a dealing with livestock?" "No no, I shoot birds into prototype plane engines to see if it runs afterward."
Interesting...they're supposed to thaw them. In fact, early on, there was a time when the UK air establishment was trying to reproduce the results the FAA was getting when doing bird strike testing. Their results were much worse than the FAA's. It turned out the Brits were *not* thawing the frozen birds first before shooting them out their air cannon.
Birdstrikes are always a potential problem on our airport runway. . The seagulls and the occasional eagle love to walk on the warm concrete in the sun. Sitka, Alaska.
Toronto Pearson has snowy owls. But owls don’t flock - ever! Burrowing owls like airports as well but they live in the ground but hunt in the air but eat bugs too which are closer to the ground.
Please discuss take off velocity, "V1", "Rotate", and "V2", in your next video. Please include an example, with a film clip.✈ Thanks. Tony 59-year-old Air Force VET 🇺🇸
On 2 April 2001, an American Airlines B767-300 was on a scheduled flight from Paris, France (CDG) to Miami when the aircraft experienced a multiple birdstrike during climb out at flight level 140. The crew returned to CDG. Most impacts were on the nose and wings. An impact between the radome and captain's windshield, next to the TAT probe, punctured the airframe and allowed bird debris to enter the cockpit. Cabin depressurization was reported. The first officer was the pilot flying at the time of strike and the captain took over after putting on his oxygen mask. The engines operated normally throughout the event with the crew reporting no changes in engine parameters. After landing, inspections did not reveal any engine damage or evidence of bird ingestion. A bird stain was observed on position 1 inlet outer barrel on the left-hand side. Rumour has it that that the 'bird debris' ended up in the Captain's flight bag and was the remains of a goose !
You said that bid strikes, volcanic ash and fuel issues are the only reasons for losing all engines. Aren't you forgetting Gottröra, where ice in one engine and then incorrect pilot behavior caused all engines to fail. It would seem that pilot error is also a potential cause.
+ipadista Yes, that is a correct observation. I should have said "most common" way. And Gottröra was lite of a design/training problem. The pilots were not made aware of the thrust compensation system on that model.
Yep but luckily short of hitting an engine they seem to be fairly safe as the drones basically disintegrate on impact and do not weight very much. If you'd like to watch some videos on the topic, the channel "xjet" may be interesting to you.
I never though myself to be much interested in planes and flying, but I keep coming back to this channel again and again
Me to but it’s fascinating I had no real interest in aviation but I am now !!
I don't worry about bird strikes when flying my ultralight. It flies so slowly that birds actually collide with it from behind.
So I take it that your ultralight would take a week to make a cross-ocean flight? I don't imagine that it has any toilet facilities?
Yosef MacGruber
probably faster if migrating birds give you frequent boosts 🦅
@@DavidTrejo
That sounds like a PS1 Bugs Bunny video game that I once played. You say some certain magic words, and a bird comes and picks you up and lifts you up to a higher level.
hahaha
Reminds me. When I was a schoolboy, I once threw a paper airplane across the classroom, only for it to be downed by a housefly
Good explanation. I was in maintenance for many years, and I have personally changed at least two turbine engines that were damaged enough to automatically shut down after ingesting a single bird (separate incidents). These were turboprop engines that had inlets and compressors much smaller than today's high bypass engines. I also remember one case where a single bird penetrated a radome and punctured the pressure bulkhead behind, causing a minor pressurization leak. Worst incident was a Convair 580 that took a large goose through the windshield and struck the captain, slightly injuring him. The air temperature was around minus 20 C, as I remember, and the first officer, in shirtsleeves, flew the airplane to a safe landing. The torrent of freezing air from the shattered windshield must have been almost unendurable. I am sure other veterans remember the names of the crew. Unsung heroes in my book.
Hopelessand Forlorn and I’ve changed many aircraft windows and radomes because of bird strikes. People don’t understand just how much force it would take to penetrate an aircraft windshield. A bird won’t do it at least not in a heavy aircraft
I was on a plane that had a birdstrike on takeoff. Very shortly after rotation there was a fairly loud rumbling sound only lasting a second followed by a strong smell of something burnt. I did hear afterwards by other passengers that smoke and actual feathers had entered the cabin in the back through the ventilation system but i did not see this in person. The engine that was hit was turned off during climb and the plane leveled off a bit and continued the climb on one engine circling the airport a few times before making a safe landing about 30-40 minutes later. The flight was with SAS going from Bodö in northern Norway down to Oslo. This was in the mid-late 90's. Very disturbing experience for me. It was a bit more dramatic than you get the feeling of from my description. Plane type was a MD-80 i believe. There was a debreifing for the passengers with the crew and then the airline had to fly another airplane up from Oslo with a new crew to complete the flight. We had to wait for about 10 hours for that..
the new trend in cooking chicken? ...oh my gosh this is terrible *tries to hold back laughter* poor bird :'(
Feathers in the cabin? I’m not sure how large the passages are but must’ve been the down feathers.
All of this pilot’s videos are an absolute delight to watch: he explains all of his various topics in an interesting and very informative fashion, which makes learning easy and pleasurable for novices and educated persons alike. Excellent channel, I have no idea how I only discovered it today, but, aside from immediately subbing to this channel, I have now also followed him on Twitter and might check in with Instagram (although I always seem to forget to look there). My dad would have loved this channel, as he was a great fan of Mayday (as I am). This channel is really well-worth following and I highly recommend it. To everyone, regardless of their degree of interest in aviation. I will need to download his app onto my iPhone & iPadPro (if available there, too). Keep up the great work!!!
Here in the US, at some of the regional airports, especially in the Midwest, they will use herding dogs to deal with the bird problem. It's an excellent use of the dog's inborn capabilities, the dog gets a good workout, the birds stay away, and he hops onboard his owner's little cart when he's done to be carried safely out of the way of departing and arriving planes. Makes the runway safer, and the pilots really enjoy seeing the dog as part of ground crew!
That's awesome! I love dogs! They are such intelligent and lovable animals!
@@kam0406 aren't they great? It's such a shame it's not practical for the big airports, but for the regionals I think it's great! And they're well taken care of by their handlers. My dogs know when I'm sick, even before I do!(and I figure it out pretty fast) For some reason, since I started rescuing terriers, they've been able to predict asthma attacks before I know anything wrong. I often think dogs are smarter than we are!
@@ecclestonsangel wow! I definitely beleive dogs are smarter than humans in many, many ways. Profound ways.
You have a real talent for being precise and thorough. That is a great personality aspect to have as a pilot!
He is also extremely likable which - it appears to me -to be as important if not more important as the content and presentation. He has all qualities to the nines. ❤️❤️👏🏼👏🏼👍🏻👍🏻
when you said "We also use PiReps (pilot reports )" i understood "We also use pirates" and my mind just went wild from that point
Currently at Hyatt at Orlando Airport going on a cruise tomorrow. Out on our balcony watching your videos as the plane at the airport fly all around. Pretty cool. Just found your channel. Very informative and fascinating
One real interesting measure that I've witnessed is having vehicles equipped with speakers. The vehicles drive around the apron and outer taxiways playing the sounds of predator birds (to the local bird population) to keep them away. Works a charm.
Captain Mentour, can you comment on the walk around inspection of an airline flight? Who does it? As a low time small aircraft pilot, I know how to check those, but how and what do you do with such a large machine? Does the captain do that? Do you use ladders? How does darkness affect a good walk around? How do you professionals do this when quick turnarounds are involved? Keep teaching !!!
My grandfather was a cabinet maker during WW2 and he ended up working on the aircraft repair because quite a few of them were wooden frames covered with treated canvas. They would get bird strikes and the bird would go through the canvas and hit one of the wooden spars within the wing and then explode. The workers then had to clean up the mess before they could get to doing the repairs.
Did anyone see a video with such a disproportionate like to dislike ratio? Absolutely fantastic!
My father worked as a flight operations sergent at a german airforce base. He told me about a one f4 phantom on final approach that struck an ultralight-aircraft that violated the restricted area of the approach zone.
As he told me the pilot experienced noise and rattling but thought that it was birdstrike. He landed, taxied to the hangar were one of the ground staff people looking at the plane and guiding it immidiatly passed out. The other one ordered to stop the engines immidiatly via radio and hand signals. Must have been pretty nasty...
Later investigations showed that the guy flying the ultralight was sucidal and this was accualy his way to kill himself. Luckily it didn't cause one of the phantoms to crash... but that propably left that ground staff and pilots with some havy images to deal with if not some sort of ptsd
Thanks Mentour! I will add this video in my gallery of English ICAO studying....Outstanding! Take care!
as, Always great video my knowledge about aviation is increasing Thank You Mentour.
I was Tower Air Traffic Controller for many years in Portugal, and one day we received an instruction from the Civil Aviation Authority in which we were instructed to retrieve the stricken bird whenever possible and keep it in the refrigerator, so that it could be collected and evaluated statistically later. In no time we had our refrigerator full of smashed seagulls, sparrows, pigeons, blackbirds and starlings. No one ever showed, and we had to mix our edibles with that ever growing morgue! Finally, someone told us to throw away all that mess. It sure was about time!
Birdstrikes in light aircraft are always fearsome. In one instance I remember, one seagull hit the windshield of a PA-23 smashing it into pieces, the second hit one propeller forcing the pilot to feather it, and the third went right through the leading edge and was stopped by the main spar, deep inside the wing. The plane make a difficult landing in one engine. In another instance a C-152 was hit by a pigeon on its take off run; it went through the windshield and the pilot was wounded in the head by the magnetic compass and windshield fragments. Lucky not to have been blinded in the incident. I witnessed many more...
Water ingestion is a another reason, although rare. For example TACA flight 110 lost power in both engines as a result of rain ingestion in a severe thunderstorm.
Bird strikes are dangerous when they're unionized ;-)
Thank you for all the info Mentor !✈ Great video!✈✈✈
Pilot - "Tower we had a bird strike!"
ATC- "Yea we know it was our falcon you fuck!"
ccrpalex Plot twist:It was a Falcon 9
I just happen to come across your channel and have watched quite a few videos. I love the story of flight US Airways flight 1549. But I have always been interested to hear what others pilots thought of what was accomplished that day.
The pilot landing in the Hudson sure kept his cool :)
Great video! I always look forward to your videos☺
Thank you for another great video! I've seen these techniques for keeping birds away from the airport on a TV show that I like. Modern Marvels did an episode about airports and the history of commercial Aviation.
If you haven't already, could you do a video about debris and trash on runways and how dangerous it can be.
Enjoyed very much on when you do walk arounds and then report
Miracle on the hudson
Some of the odder and uncommon instances of total loss of power are Eastern Air Lines Flight 855, and British Airways Flight 38. Freak accidents, but hey they're out there.
Volcanic ash is the one that would concern me the most. Looks like a cloud that doesn't show up on radar, nasty stuff that is.
You talked about dual engine failure. There is one incident, with a very fortunate outcome, that you didn't mention. It is the case with clear ice coming off the wings during take off from Arlanda, Stockholm 1991. It resulted in the loss of both engines on that MD-81 that was involved. This has of course nothing to do with birdstrikes, but ice can or could at least, be one reason for dual engine failure.
Its unfortunate that the bird dies in the process regardless.
Love that intro format with the music
How do you inspect the vertical portion of the tail, binoculars or is there a lift?
In the 90's I worked at a company where the owner had a private Cessna 414. One day, the boss took a flight with a couple of other people, including a bodyguard. During take off a big vulture crashed with the front window, breaking it, and injured the pilot, leaving him unconscious. With only one pilot, unconscious, the bodyguard who was riding in the front with the pilot, but had never piloted a plane before, took the controls, while the other passenger started beating the pilot until he recovered consciousness. Barely conscious, the pilot was able to land the plane. After this, the boss sold the Cessna and now flies in commercial planes.
12:20 I can imagine the pilot doing the inspection afterwards and yelling at the bird "ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!!!"
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wow so much new information, amazing!
With every video i learn something new, thanks!
Once again, thank you for you video, RB, Nova Scotia.
Bird strikes don't occur in "right to work" states, but you have to deal with the scabs.
Hahaha
And here i am think a bird strike is when birds protest and quit their jobs
Hahahaha
and what's their job? sitting around?
@@amanbokolia8002 Balancing the food webs/ecosystem?
Very Cool
Nice Video
Learned more✈✈✈✈
Quick question.
What is that big black box with two tubes coming out the top right of it?
A very interesting and informative video explanation. Thanks 👏....you are educating me 😀
Thank you for all your great videos! This one brough up a question that is only losely related to the topic of the current video. You mentioned that during the approach the engines are still producing thrust. Why don't jets land like gliders - only with the engines on stand by power?
Birdstrikes are always bad if you’re a bird
Yes, that’s true
Your English is great, but you dont "feel" smells in English. The word feel is only used for one bodily sense,, touch. Sorry to nitpick, particularly because you are clesrly way smarter than me anyway.
If I was a bird, then I wouldn't be flying around airplanes.
@@Apollo-p1l "touch" is a little vague. We feel pressure, relative temperature, vibration, etc with our skin. We do also feel other bodily senses though: we feel hunger, sickness, tiredness, pain, our body temperature. I feel that "feel" is a pretty good word.
@@Milamberinx Yeah ok, but feel is never used in relation to smell in Englsh as far as i know.
So interesting video captain. Looking more and more videos like this 👍
I hope most pilots are like this man. Then we will have the utmost in safety...
Thank you for this video and what's now about drone?
Few years back, was on an early morning AA flight out of SFO that hit an owl right on takeoff. Had to circle for a while before we were light enough to land again. The nose/windshield were pretty messed up.
Hahahahah, "KFC Indicator"!
Thats how my Dad could tell if a jet ingested a bird. he would walk around to the exhaust nozzle and have a sniff,
even birds are commiting suicide lol
Haha lol, KFC Alert :-))
Roast chicken smell there.
I fly on 737-400, 800s at least twice a month. I've gotten use to the sounds and thumps they make during normal operations. Last flight out of Vegas, I felt in the bottom of the plane what typically feels like the landing gear retracting, but it happened twice. Was one of those thuds a bird strike?
From the ground side, There are also some static noise cannons at some airports (I know JFK has them) and also the vegetation used at the terminals and airport rounds has allot of impact too.
Hi Mentor!
Can you make a video on converting your licence, from FAA to EASA (for example), the main differences and what you should focus on etc? And how do airlines in Europe look in people with experience from the US, in my case 1000hr as an instructor.
I don't know your case, if you did your initial training in the us and coverted or did everything in europe. I know alot of people that would be interested in a video on this topic.
Very interesting .. as always! But I have to ask - what is that black panel in the background?
Thank you, very informative
We were on a takeoff roll (accelerating down the runway) out of San Jose Calif about 3 years ago and heard a bang, a shudder, and (clearly we had not achieved v1 yet), the pilots immediately powered down and applied brakes and we taxied back to the jetway. Announcement that we’d hit some (geese, I think it was) birds and needed maintenance to take a look. Waited for 1-1.5 hrs, then finally decided to cancel my flight that day since it was just a day trip from SJC to SEA and back. I’ve been on hundreds of flights, but that was my first bird strike (that I knew about)!
Great Videos! I have a question from a passenger perspective... Watching some other videos, there are obviously people on the ground with scanners listening to ATC or the pilots... Is it illegal to listing to the pilots/ATC whilst being a passenger and if so why??
Thanks again and thanks for the fascinating insight to the stuff we don't see or hear when flying!
Cheers.
Jase.
It's not illegal to listen to ATC so long as you are not interfering with it. The restriction on a commercial aircraft would be the same as any electronic device inasmuch as you are not supposed to have any electronics operating during take-offs and landings.
I'm wondering whether it was mere coincidence that this excellent video was rudely interrupted by a UA-cam advert for Turkey, even if for the country's airline and not the Christmas variety, only to be followed by an advert promoting a company called "Dent". Yes, this really did happen just now.
Great video, thanks. Also I love 'Sully' :)
You should do a vid on the effect of volcanic ash.
@Mentour Pilot I'm an aircraft mechanic from Hong Kong handling A320/321 most of the time, I rarely see flight crews record birdstrikes in the maintenance logbook. But I can always find blood stains at the nose of the aircraft.
Those were mosquitos.
Thank you very much for another very interesting video
I have a question. Why the Airbus A380 only seems to have reverse thrusters on the inner engines (the ones closer to the cabin)? I've noticed this while watching a wet runway landing video, and other 4-engine planes like the B747 have reverse thrusters in all four.
Hi Mentour!
Is it true that turbo prop fan planes are less susceptible to bird strikes? and even if a bird comes into contact with engine, its less of a danger for a plane?
thanx
Thank you Petter for all your awesome and interesting videos. I enjoy it tremendously. Just a question about birdstrikes?. Ii know they are uunavoidable, but it breaks my heart when animals get hurt. Is it not possible to put a cover over the engine that will still allow airflow into the engine, but will prevent the bird from being sucked in and cause an engine failure?
Sir Peter You are best
The other (rare but significant) cause of dual engine failure is extreme weather, including famous cases such as Southern Airways Flight 242.
Hello mentor. I was simulating a 737 dual failure engine on fsx and slam the plane on touch down. How can I slow the plane without falling from the sky before the runway? Thank you
There are also a few incidents in which alot of hail/rain (ice) let to dual Engine failure.
Decades ago my neighbor was chief pilot for an international airline. Not infrequently they would encounter buzzards.. His claim (very tongue in cheek!) was that the 727 center engine was there to make buzzard stew.
The compressor cut the buzzard into cooking size pieces. The flame cans cooked the bird.. And the power turbine cut them into bite sized pieces.. All you need is a plate! :-)
Do you now train for events like the one that happened with US Airways Flight 1549 (Capt. Sully landing on the Hudson River after loss of both engines)?
747 crashes into sofa
LMFAO!
🤔
and lost all 4 engines!
9/11 sofa edition
(BAd joke
haha,
“How many birds?”
“WE HIT A FULL KFC MEGA BUCKET!”
TheYodaman22 😂😂
I'm terrible, I just had to laugh XD
Thank you for the amazing Video! 😀 love the video very big fan of sully and the new app is amazing !✈️✈️
At YYZ Pearson INT they have falcons in the warmer seasons and a snowy owl in the winter that i see all the time. It's very neat actually watching the owl chase away birds.
wow this is so strange, I was now watching the movie Sully😲
One more reason for dual engine loss (at least based on what I've been told). The wiring for the Engine Fire Controlled were crossed, due to not having their connectors keyed, and having the connectors next to each other. Needless to say an AD was written and the problem was fixed...but only after losing a plane.
Herr Mentour, would there be enough time to throttle back prior to hitting a murmuration? Do you think it would possibly mitigate the damage enough to be able to throttle back up? Of course it would be someone with the reflexes of a Bruce Lee. How long does it take to reduce the RPMs to a level that might help? I wrote this prior to watching the whole video. You pretty much answered most of my questions. Did I mention you have great content?
love you mentour good vidéo like Always thanks
"did you order the roasted chicken for lunch?"
"no?"
"Well we hit a bird"
Lolol
If you haven't done so yet, diversions: what about fire (or other) emergency diversions over water and mountain terrain areas where it is obvious not possible to land. Then what? Thanks.
This explains the lack of food trucks outside of airports! I thought it would be a great idea as there a so many hungry people leaving the airport! Now I totally understand why this would not be a good idea as it would just attract hungry birds where planes are taking off and landing!
I have a quick question... Apparently it costs a lot of money for an aircraft to divert to another airport for any particular reason for example a medical emergency. Why is it expensive for the airports and the airlines etc. to divert?
Also, interesting video 👍🏻
+MichaelBrown Mostly the fact that the airline has contracts with a few hundred pax to deliver them to a destination airport now sitting around somewhere that wasn't planned for meaning they need to spend time and money dealing with them all and making alternative arrangements which can often also include needing to accommodate them overnight especially if the diversion airport isn't an airport the airline usually runs many flights from.
Of course there is additional fees etc for the extra landing and takeoff and airport ground services like baggage handling etc along with the additional fuel used but mostly it's the massive pita that having a bunch of pax in the wrong place creates that costs most of the money.
MichaelBrown there is no simple answer but rest assured the airlines have an intricate game plan in place for this. you're seven miles high traveling at 500 miles an hour, not the best place to fall ill but it does happen. once the medical emergency has been declared, the flight is given priority by ATC. we do what must be done to get the aircraft down. this takes time, about half an hour, the descent has to be well planned..don't get down too early and waste fuel, don't get down too late and overfly the alternate. the A320 holds approximately 6400 gallons of fuel x $4.70 (composite average) a gallon = $30,080 to fill it. once a plane diverts it almost always needs to be refueled.
factor in these variables: how long will the flight be delayed? how many passengers will miss their connections? what if a takeoff isn't possible due to weather, now you have 150 guests in need of transportation, accommodation and meals. it gets costly but it's all part of doing business.
+Ava Mendez That's true though it's not like the diversion should really require them to replace anything like a full tank of fuel probably closer to 60-90 mins flying time worth in most situations I'd have thought. Of course there is the potential for the worst case scenario of having to divert shortly after taking off at MTOW and thus finding yourself with the better part of 10t (3150 gal) above MLW but I am sure that the combination of the fact that not all flights actually take off at MTOW and I'd expect that the number of diversions that occur in the first half of the flight and the second half probably average out to make the average amount of fuel lost per event to be much lower than that. So I still think that probably on average the costs of having to make arrangements for all the pax probably dominates the costs involved.
Course as you say it's all part of the cost of doing business and it's certainly not something that should ever be a factor in taking the decision to divert when it's clearly necessary. Besides it's not like there is even a choice here after all failure to do so generally tends to put very large numbers in the expense side of the balance sheet under the heading legal expenses instead.
Seraphina S excellent thoughts.
as a rule, we never take off with full tanks.The heavier you are, the more fuel you burn.
we take the flight plan, look at the weather and begin working on
Taxi Fuel: the amount needed from engine start to arrival at runway threshold.
Trip fuel: this includes, takeoff, climb, cruise, descent, approach and landing. Basically A to B.
Contingency fuel: what if we need to scoot around a band of severe weather or we're unable to climb to our planned altitude. this results in a higher fuel burn as well. It can either be 5% of the trip fuel or five extra minutes
Alternate fuel: in the event we need to go missed and reach our alternate.
Final Reserve Fuel: mandatory. for jet powered aircraft, this is thirty minutes flying time at 1500 feet over the aerodrome at holding speed. For the A320, below 6,000 feet is 200 KIAS. 6,000 to 14,000 feet 230 KIAS. Above 14,000, 265 KIAS. I have no idea what it would be for the Boeing 737.
Additional fuel: yep, can't forget this one; this is put into the figures in the event an engine quits or loss of pressurization. guess what? this will take us to a lower altitude. so we have a guarantee of getting where we're going even in a worse case scenario.
then we come to:
Discretionary Fuel: if the PIC decides it is warranted, they can add on a little more.
This is just a basic overview, hope it helps❤
Superb explanation as always. Again the 'thumbs down' brigade 👎🏻need to get stuffed
The average on UA-cam is one thumb down for every 1000 views and this video has not even 1/3 that. Why give them any mind at all?
How do you restart a jet engine midflight ?Please Do a video on that one
"What do you do?" "I shoot chickens and turkey" "Oh, so a dealing with livestock?" "No no, I shoot birds into prototype plane engines to see if it runs afterward."
It's true! As a kid my dad would take me on test day at General Dynamics to watch them shoot frozen chickens into windshield for the new F-18!
Interesting...they're supposed to thaw them. In fact, early on, there was a time when the UK air establishment was trying to reproduce the results the FAA was getting when doing bird strike testing. Their results were much worse than the FAA's. It turned out the Brits were *not* thawing the frozen birds first before shooting them out their air cannon.
4:07 "Albatrosses for example are known to be extremely high."
Yeah, me too.
Birdstrikes are always a potential problem on our airport runway. . The seagulls and the occasional eagle love to walk on the warm concrete in the sun. Sitka, Alaska.
Toronto Pearson has snowy owls. But owls don’t flock - ever! Burrowing owls like airports as well but they live in the ground but hunt in the air but eat bugs too which are closer to the ground.
Hi Mentour..Just a quick one..Would you have to dump fuel in the incident of a bird strike before landing?
Interesting content, but I was so disappointed when you didn't use the giant iPod display screen for anything.
Please discuss take off velocity, "V1", "Rotate", and "V2", in your next video. Please include an example, with a film clip.✈
Thanks.
Tony
59-year-old Air Force VET 🇺🇸
Is it less of a risk for turboprops?
At some point in the future could you do a video on compressor stall? What is it, how does it happen, and how to pilots address it?
On 2 April 2001, an American Airlines B767-300 was on a scheduled flight from Paris, France (CDG) to Miami when the aircraft experienced a multiple birdstrike during climb out at flight level 140. The crew returned to CDG. Most impacts were on the nose and wings. An impact between the radome and captain's windshield, next to the TAT probe, punctured the airframe and allowed bird debris to enter the cockpit.
Cabin depressurization was reported. The first officer was the pilot flying at the time of strike and the captain took over after putting on his oxygen mask. The engines operated normally throughout the event with the crew reporting no changes in engine parameters. After landing, inspections did not reveal any engine damage or evidence of bird ingestion. A bird stain was observed on position 1 inlet outer barrel on the left-hand side.
Rumour has it that that the 'bird debris' ended up in the Captain's flight bag and was the remains of a goose !
great teacher
You said that bid strikes, volcanic ash and fuel issues are the only reasons for losing all engines. Aren't you forgetting Gottröra, where ice in one engine and then incorrect pilot behavior caused all engines to fail. It would seem that pilot error is also a potential cause.
+ipadista Yes, that is a correct observation. I should have said "most common" way.
And Gottröra was lite of a design/training problem. The pilots were not made aware of the thrust compensation system on that model.
Excellent,thk you.
there are literally thousands of bird strikes every day. it's exceptionally rare they cause any problem at all.
Have those falcons ever themselves been involved in a strike with an aircraft landing or taking off?
Hi Mentour, thanks for your great vlogs. Question: what causes the ‘clinking’ noise in the engines when the plane is parked at the gate?
After a flight, possible hot metal cooling down?
It seems with the way things are going it's only a matter of time before we have drone-strikes.
Yep but luckily short of hitting an engine they seem to be fairly safe as the drones basically disintegrate on impact and do not weight very much. If you'd like to watch some videos on the topic, the channel "xjet" may be interesting to you.
...you'll know it when there's a smell of roasted drone in the cabin...