Transgender Brains, Gender Dysphoria and Why HRT Works
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- Опубліковано 1 вер 2020
- An interview with neuroscientist Dr. Ivanka Savic about her research on gender dysphoria in transgender brains.
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Kilpatrick LA, Holmberg M, Manzouri A, Savic I. (2019.) Cross sex hormone treatment is linked with a reversal of cerebral patterns associated with gender dysphoria to the baseline of cisgender controls. European Journal of Neuroscience. 50(8):3269-3281. doi:10.1111/ejn.14420
Majid DSA, Moody TD, Feusner JD, et al. (2020). Neural Systems for Own-body Processing Align with Gender Identity Rather Than Birth-assigned Sex. Cerebral Cortex. 30(5):2897-2909. doi:10.1093/cercor/bhz282 - Наука та технологія
I never knew happiness.
When I started HRT I felt better on day 2, Gender dysphoria ruined many years for me.I have never been happier. Congurence feels so good.
As a trans person its pretty interesting to know what makes us tick. Hopefully the goofs will understand this is not a choice and wont think they can somehow "cure" such a complex system we barely understand
or "exorcise". Polish catholic clergy is proud of 1500 exorisms a year, many of them used to "cure" autism or homosexuality.
I'm not too concerned with the goofs! They're like flat-earthers. No matter what science today can show evidence of, they will cling to their own narrative and not let reality get in the way of it 🙂
Those goofs barely even believe I’m science. I have no faith but I have hope.
Finally someone talking about the SCIENCE of being born trans and why hormone therapy works.
Hrt is quite a miracle. Within 5 days I felt so much better. Theres a UCLA gender vid on utube where the dic says people dont need antidepressants anymore once hrt is started.
They need therapy
There’s a phase after taking hrt, it’s like a high. Thank you for proving it
I havent started HRT yet, but i did get a fullbody silicone ahaper and puting it on for the first time made me feel something ive never felt, but it was the nicest feeling ever. Beyond happiness, almost euphoria that was in early july this year.. sadly it glt damaged and i havent been able to wear it and since then my emotional state has spiked back into an extremely deep depression.
@jbw could you also lonk that vod?
That isnt a miracle it is the effect of a drug with life changing consequences. What does it say when her medical oversight board in Sweden told the doctor to STOP prescribing hormones and blockers to minors.
I found this interesting. I have high-functioning autism, and I only came out as Non-binary to myself and my dad last month, after decades of trying to ignore dysphoria.
This topic is so interesting that her oversight board told the doctor to STOP prescribing hormones and blockers to minors.
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@@markrussell3428doing that is not to deny the treatment or that youth are possible candidates. It’s using knowledge about how adults and children differ physically and developmentally.
It’s a doctor’s responsibility to know a child can’t know what they know.
An undisturbed puberty is nessecary to health through adulthood and building a physique that will last.
Offcourse a child with gender dysphoria iis stressing about the visible and emotional aspects of puberty that they dread.
But iif they are to have quality of life and handle a lifetime of hormonal therapy aswell as dven have the options to consider surgery or a functional lovelife where they for one have sexual drive they have to endure puberty with the support of therapy.
What is the "norm", how are "binary people" SUPPOSED to act/feel etc.? You simply must have some standard you consider the norm from which you consider yourself to be diverting or "opting out" of, because if you don't then simply declaring yourself "not like them" is utterly meaningless if you can't actually articulate what exactly it is you consider yourself separate from - what determines whether someone "is" a woman or a man instead of biology? What do you think makes you not a man or a woman exactly? What behaviour should a man or a woman display? If you don't believe sexist stereotypes determine people´s "gender", then based on what exactly are you "non-binary"? Can you explain what behaviours/thoughts you are diverting from without mentioning any sexist stereotypes as that from which you are "diverting? If you cannot provide an answer with specific details of behaviour and thoughts etc. that are more than sexist stereotypes, then you cannot in any way claim to be avoiding sexist stereotypes.
If you cannot articulate how your idea of "the norm, the binary", from which you claim to be opting out is separate from sexist stereotypes surrounding men and women, then you cannot claim to be basing your understanding on anything else than sexist stereotypes.
There are videos of "non-binary" people explaining their idea of being "non-binary" which boil down to nothing but reinforcing stereotypes - claiming things like being an adult female and cutting your hair short makes them "non-binary" because "women have long hair - ie an utterly regressive sexist stereotype. I'm asking you, to in detail explain what you think the non-sexist standard you are basing your entire foundation on is. If you can't articulate any actual specifics then you can't actually have an understanding of it yourself.
I started HRT April 2024. The change in my mental and emotional health was immediate and undeniable.
I always had the feeling that I was transgender. I did not want to even entertain the idea that I am transgender. At 55 years old I finially had enough of the coping and got the help that I needed.
It's interesting how she discribes it: "how much is it me". It sounds as if it works with a rather abstract concept, and I can't help but wonder, is it possible that there might be a larger issue at hand? Could it be possible that trans people are not the only ones who go through this and there are more potential categories of people who have a hard time with themselves?
Watch the movies
"Affirmation Generation "
"Trans Train"
"What is a Woman"
"Dysphoric : Fleeing Womanhood like a house on fire"
Genspect.org
Newdiscourses.com watch the "groomer schools queer futurity " episode
HRT and living full time saved my life. Stopped hrt when I had SRS in my mid 20's. Now almost 20 years later, I'm considering restarting HRT again, not sure.
Who would ever “Choose” to change our secondary sex characteristics?!?! Definitely not a choice for me. I have SRS left to do. All the pain and suffering I’ve had to become congruent to my “self” has been very very difficult. I’ve been HRT for 9yrs, two FFS surgery’s and breast augmentation. I will not be “me” until SRS and facial hair is completely removed. Then and only then will and can I live completely happy.
So it`s plastic surgery and body modification. No big deal. Go ahead, just don`t involve everybody else in your delusion.
This is solid research looking at connectivity in the brain, that it improves with noticeable short term physical changes seems reasonable. However, it would be good to understand how these hormones impact the overall brain morphology. For example the impact on Hippocampal Gray matter volumes and reported reduction ventricular volumes, and BDNF levels by Pol et al, and their impact on long term mental health.
Thank you for conducting this interview.
Thank you Warren for sharing this research and where it may be headed.
I'm glad to see you continuing to utilize this media to share your interests.
What does it say when her medical oversight board in Sweden told the doctor to STOP prescribing hormones and blockers to minors?
Is there a book about the science of the transgender self that is for the lay person?
Please don't forget to leave out the endocrinological aspect and how we need bio-identical hormones to survive if we are post op.
Very important research!
I don’t call myself trans. Because I was always male. Shame on the stork that dropped me at the wrong door. Yes I do feel and probably as early as two felt that the adults in the room were confused. From toys to clothes and things to do I was very loud about it. My mum actually took the to the toy department and sat and watched me scope what I would like to play with. She would buy one item but made a mental note for Christmas and Easter and birthday items. Same with dress. We could not in that day in age do hormones or surgery. But the tribe was very good with it all on naming day my second one at 9 years old a gift of clothes and dance Moccasins and head dress and my dad’s wonton. I was grateful that they accepted my person and spirit. I am more into my tribes shaminic ways then Christianity because the latter still think it all as a sin. Guilt tripping me straight into suicide at one point. I pretty much live on the reservation and rarely leave it. When I was in school in the city I was shamed for obviously being Indian as well as being male. A lot of the social stress we have doesn’t come from our hormones or our brains it comes froMe from a closed society that has fixated on its norms, it’s entitled majority and look how well that’s working out?
"Sapolsky's view that "on average" the sexually dimorphic parts of the brain show the opposite trend in those trans individuals who report always having felt themselves to be the other gender, but there's a lot to unpack there. The first thing to note is the "on average", which immediately means that some will show very little difference from their "assigned gender", while others will show more. Then there's the question - as he mentioned someone hypothesizing - of whether those who only "discover" they are trans in their teenage years, or as they approach puberty or adolescence, are simply having a delayed response, or - as has been asserted several times in the field - might be responding to social contagion, or a convenient way to avoid the fallout of childhood trauma, of abuse or neglect, or fears of one's expected gender roles in future, or internalized homophobia in cases of self-suppressed homosexual feelings, of simple teenage rebelliousness, etc., etc.
Then there remains the question of what these sexually dimorphic brain regions represent, in anyone. If we learn to play a musical instrument, our brain changes. If we get more or less exercise, or change diet, or join a book group - everything we do has some effect on the structure of our brain. So it follows that those regional differences in the sexes might correspond functionally - might be causally related to - all manner of thoughts, feelings and behaviours that we associate with the sexes. Indeed it seems obvious they will. Sapolsky criticised the literature from the 50s in which aberrant behaviour in females meant not wanting to play with dolls. Silly old sexist nonsense. But it follows that if these kinds of behaviours - which we now consider sexual stereotypes, and regarding which we now encourage freedom of sexual expression - correspond with the sexual dimorphism of the brain regions mentioned, then the "gendered brain" might not indicate, as one student put it, "being in the wrong body", but merely having one particular constellation of behaviours that either sex ought to be able to express. Indeed, interviews with trans individuals often include such stereotypes, which they consider indicators of their "wrong body", rather than thinking "I'm a tomboy" or "I'm a sensitive kind of guy".
This is extremely important, because we know that there are rising numbers of transitioners in the West (particularly the USA), and rising numbers of detransitioners criticising the one-size-fits-all, so-called "affirmative care" model, which took their self-reports of feeling odd in their social role and stuck them on puberty blockers, opposite-sex hormones, and perhaps surgical procedures, which they now bitterly regret and see as completely erroneous. Those procedures often lead to a range of physical and psychological distress that could have been avoided, including sterility.
We also know from several other cases that social contagion is a real phenomenon and affects in particular pre-pubescent girls. We know that our frontal cortex takes twenty-odd years to come fully on line, the part of our brain that finds compromises and rational solutions to things that disturb our monolithic emotions without its sober cogitation. We know that its functioning is even more widly confused during puberty - younger children make better decisions than teenagers! All this should give us great caution about allowing private medical companies to trade in gender transition procedures without proper assessment of other possible routes. It should stop us hearing "brains are gendered, and trans brains are opposite-gendered; and the brain is the best judge of who we are" and thinking that's cleared up the gender debate and it's time to reach for the pills or the knife. A large percentage of "trans" kids grow up through puberty (if allowed to) to recognise they were going through a phase, and they're happy in their biological sex. A significant number turn out to be gay. So running down the trans route too fast, in some cases, seems to be a kind of dystopian, radical conversion therapy - for gay people, turning them into pseudo-straight people, by pretending they're the other sex."
´"Human bodies have evolved to go through the sexual puberty that corresponds to their biological sex. There is no such thing as the wrong puberty. There is puberty (the thing your body is built to do) and there are degrees of artificial sterility that can be inflicted on it."
"You pretend you know sex is different from gender, but really you imagine the person has some kind of sexed soul that's the opposite (or some other condition) from their physical sex. And you repeat obvious lies endlessly, like nobody is going to get surgery before they're 18 - research how many double mastectomies were done in the last few years on girls (GIRLS, the ones with breasts) at 14 and 15 and 16, even many at 13 years old.
And your utter bs that transition surgery is one of the most successful medical procedures ever. The patient is butchered. They very often have incontinence problems. They spend inordinate amounts of money trying to get the "complications" sorted, lining the pockets of surgeons, but often getting nowhere nearer a healthy body, and nowhere near the image of themselves they were aiming at. A high proportion continue to have mental health problems that were not sorted out, because the exploratory therapy you imagine happens doesn't, and almost all therapists involved feel brow-beaten into affirming the gender the person is supposedly "exploring" (often at risk of losing their job, or being attacked by a trans mob). And those mental health problems are increased by living a lie - pretending, trying to pass as the opposite sex, and feigning conditions like "a gay trans man" or "a trans lesbian".
The contrast with homosexual rights is stark, and vast numbers of gays and lesbians are disavowing the trans nonsense, seeing much of it as gay conversion therapy by stealth."
"It is insane to suggest that mental health problems are somehow available to be dealt with by a young person AFTER they have declared themselves to be a different sex ("gender" is just smoke up your ass) from their biologial sex, and added all the complications of transition!
We have masses of evidence that transition is seen as the magic silver bullet that will solve a young person's problems, only to find that after going down that route they still have all the same issues they did before, only now they're obsessed by how well they're doing with their transition, how well they pass, how they're coping with the side-effects of medication, planning where this journey is going to end, will they have surgery and when, how are they being accepted or not by their peers, their family, the rest of society.
It is insane to assess someone with any mental health problem and, before helping them discover the root of those problems and heal from them, dumping transition procedures on them! I am trained in therapeutic counselling and practised counselling for a decade, so I know what I'm talking about. Until the TRA Critical Study fruitloops got hold of our culture by the throat, no therapist would countenance doing such a stupid thing.
Now even the BACP is being infiltrated by them. Individuals like you I just feel compassion for, pity, because you've been hoodwinked, your delusions have been accepted as truths and amplified. Your delusion that you are somehow "female" despite clearly being male, is wrong and stupid and you should have been corrected. There is no blame in that (from me - I know other GCs can be cruel because they don't understand the psychological pressures on every one of us and why we choose to do the things we do).
You massively underestimate the regret, for example, because you don't take into account the enormous resistance someone feels when they contemplate desistance or detransition, yet the evidence is out there. Follow the work of Eliza Mondegreen, for instance. You will probably baulk at the idea, because she's dubbed a hateful transphobe, but she clearly is not, she's a caring, concerned and highly intelligent student of the phenomenon, particularly focusing on the psychological and social pressures on people transitioning and detransitioning.
She shows that the social media where gender-questioning youth go radicalizes them - it sucks them in. They are told that to be at all gender questioning (which most young people go through as part of growing towards puberty) means you ARE "trans". They are schooled in how to play the system to convince medics and told that their parents must accept their gender identity or be rejected. They're love bombed, invited into their sparkly trans family of people who don't know them from Adam (or Eve), and any doubts they have are twisted into signs of "internalized transphobia". If all this is new to you, it's because you've not been following the phenomenon in an unbiased fashion, and it's time you began reading the GC material. Having "hundreds of trans friends" is a source of bias, it doesn't make you an expert on trans. There is, in fact, no such thing as "being trans" - as far as we know, there is no such physiological condition - there is merely thinking you are, or trying to appear like, the opposite sex. You will never know what an actual human female feels like, or deal with any of their actual lived experiences in this world, and nor will I. Sorry if that all sounds harsh, but you insisted you needed to continue putting out your incorrect propaganda, and I felt the need to push back against it."
This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives).
Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognised as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into.
This "woman is a social construct" thing IS the part that validates and perpetuates sexist stereotypes - woman isn't a social construct in that sense, it is a word society has chosen yes, but to describe a PHYSICAL state of being, not anyone's emotional states or where they fall on some spectrum of masculinity or femininity. There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what the definition of man and woman means. The notion that people need to live up to sexist stereotypes of what "real men" or "real women" are, is complete fantasy. The fact that many people act as if sexist stereotypes were valid ways of measuring "real men" or real women" is a problem with the individual and their sexist bias, not with the terms themselves, as the terms themselves have none of the expectational baggage that people who internalise sexist stereotypes associate with them.
A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female.
Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces/sports reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic.
Christianity !!! You wrote all the pseudo scientific content …. Particularly about the detransitioners WHO AMOUNT to between 0.2 to 0.5 % of those that transition. If you are part of the anti abortion anti rights agenda you have just wasted anyone’s time that bothered to read your “argument” THAT is the PROPAGANDA Christofascism coated in rationality!!
Sorry I got stuck on the claim that self is encoded from the very beginning or ”day one” as it was put. I understood it to be somewhat known what network the sense of self locates itself. But what is the argument for this being in our awareness when we are born?
Networks, especially in an infant doesn many things and are highly plastic in order to priorotise development in a certain order.
I don’t see the need for a ”self” the moment the baby is separated from the mother’s own system. And while in the womb it would simply be impossible to encode something that has nothing to refer to.
I have have read about and can also intuitively know that birth is not only traumatic during labor but after that comes a time where the mother is crucial for survival almost 24/7. During the first months the baby is still a part of the mother and their nervous systems are synced etc
The baby can’t start existance worrying about voulnerability.
Then as they slowly separate the whole realisation of duality, self and other and what those are is not at all fun or easy to face
I had 2 life threating issues when young mom said my persona changed. When born hospital said girl but was boy.
I had similar experiences but opposite my parents thought I was born a boy when in hospital but was a girl
blockers from 13 hormones from15 surgery after extensive investigation at 18 if really needed hormones did it for me xx
After reading the title, If HRT therapy helps I’m glad. Is this separate and distinct from having others affirm their identity?
Well it will help you feel native to your self to have the hormones acting as it should for your wiring. As for how others accept you you won’t feel quite so bad about them when your physical/chemical composition is more in like with self knowing. It is still very much a struggle if your neck deep into social strictures that try to suffocate your expression. That is a crime against humanity and akin to gender identity. Same tactic used in ethnicide. Deny you your heritage you culture and language and even who raised you. It’s crippling. I have experienced this since I was a kid in boarding schools till I graduated. So I think it deserves much more legal protections.
Even BABIES can differentiate between a male and female. Why are you so worried about “passing”? Just own that you never truly will. Even if you fool and occasional person, you’ll always know you’re not that sex when your head hits the pillow. It’s insanity. Turn away from a twisted ideology that makes Big Pharma and all these quack doctors rich! You fools.
The cross sex hormones will sterilize you. The elites want you sterilized. When will the sheep realize they’re being led to the slaughter? 🤔
@@AR-ed8jpthey used to cut off peoples balls
Wait they still do that
Now they sterilize anyone with the psychological issue
Very different. This is actual treatment, the other one is medical malpractice
So having talked to my dozens of trans friends, the difference seems to be... When others affirm your gender you feel seen and respected as a person. Where many people didn't really feel like a person who warranted being seen or respected before.
Getting HRT is a massive change in mood, energy levels, vitality, ambition. It's a whole change. So much so that people doubt it'll last and usually it stabilizes much higher than a person's previous baseline.
Things you'll hear a lot if you're friends with trans people are:
"I want to do something with my life now."
"I didn't picture myself as... successful/ambitious/an old person before."
"I was living for other people but not myself before transitioning."
It's a pretty startling change.
Congratulations for the interview ! I'm very interested by the work Ivanka's been doing. I'd better understand what the homosexuality and transexuality consist in
The most thorough research on the issue I have found so far. Thank you, Dr Savic!
What does it say when her medical oversight board in Sweden told the doctor (all doctors) to STOP prescribing hormones and blockers to minors.
So the gender identity is opposite the sensed body. mtf have a male body but female gender internally, right?
They’re dudes who “feel” like a woman, even though as humans, we could never “feel” something we never had. It’s like saying you know what it’s like to have a sister when you’ve only had brothers. Makes absolutely no sense.
Trans ppl need one thing and one thing only: Jesus.
At 9:15, she says her research is in hypothesis mode and the observed brain differences could be a result of the gender dysphoria
Yes, that's pretty much it
the mtf body changes are slow and hrt psychological effect happens quickly.
So interesting
As a non-binary, there is indeed an interest in seeing what the hell my brain has dreamt of since childhood when I couldn't pinpoint my gender.
There is no such thing as non-binary. You are just a non-gender conforming of your biological sex.
Watch the movies
"Affirmation Generation "
"Trans Train"
"What is a Woman"
"Dysphoric : Fleeing Womanhood like a house on fire"
Genspect.org
Newdiscourses.com watch the "groomer schools queer futurity " episode
I have been curious for a long time now since learning how trans people's brains match more closely to their identity vs their body, what about non-binary and even intersex?
I know intersex and trans is usually seen as separate because of the different areas in the body, but I feel they probably can overlap, or we may find some clues or similarities in brain scans and their identity. To help us better understand humans as a whole in terms of gender/identity. And maybe it could help others who find trans confusing to better understand as well.
How can the brain supposedly "match their gender", when EVERY scientist studying the brain, including Sapolsky, which activists for some reason like to mention, ADMIT that NO ONE can tell what sex, or what "gender", anyone is by studying the brain alone - they cannot tell by brain activity, and they cannot tell by studying the brain post-mortem. Why do you think science supports your claims when science literally completely contradicts the claims of "trans" activists?
Thank you 🩺
What interests me is how trans people in the past coped with being in the "wrong" body. Here, I'd reference Australian Indigenous brother boys & sister girls & Native American Two Spirit people & people like Eligobalus. For such people, there was nothing to change the external like there is now. Did they feel dysphoria or not? How did they handle the dysphoria if they felt it?
I'm agender, so non-binary. I've been that all my life, never felt any angst, and didn't know there was a term for it until 12 years ago. I'm also plus size (20). And - again - never felt any angst over it. I'm happy with my body. I have no desire to change it. With a female body, I've been thru menopause. Dead easy. There is no need for HRT physically for me.
For the record - my youngest son is on the spectrum. I, too, have ASD traits like a literal interpretation of language.
They did have dysphoria but tackled with it by simply doing non surgical transitioning. Wearing different clothes and going through life as they wanted.
A very big cause of these alone not being as effective today is the hate and unacceptence. People constantly telling them they aren't who they are. Back before this got politicised people just mostly didn't care
Does it matter? It is wonderful that now trans people have access to hormones and surgical procedures. All with consent of course ..
@luanao7665 sure. Provided your dysphoria is the result of being the opposite gender. Someone who has experienced sexual harassment/abuse can also experience body image dysphoria - because they're seen only as an object. Especially if they're cis female - because we're subjected to far more sexual/gender based violence than men are.
What is the "norm", how are "binary people" SUPPOSED to act/feel etc.? You simply must have some standard you consider the norm from which you consider yourself to be diverting or "opting out" of, because if you don't then simply declaring yourself "not like them" is utterly meaningless if you can't actually articulate what exactly it is you consider yourself separate from - what determines whether someone "is" a woman or a man instead of biology? What do you think makes you not a man or a woman exactly? What behaviour should a man or a woman display? If you don't believe sexist stereotypes determine people´s "gender", then based on what exactly are you "non-binary"? Can you explain what behaviours/thoughts you are diverting from without mentioning any sexist stereotypes as that from which you are "diverting? If you cannot provide an answer with specific details of behaviour and thoughts etc. that are more than sexist stereotypes, then you cannot in any way claim to be avoiding sexist stereotypes.
If you cannot articulate how your idea of "the norm, the binary", from which you claim to be opting out is separate from sexist stereotypes surrounding men and women, then you cannot claim to be basing your understanding on anything else than sexist stereotypes.
There are videos of "non-binary" people explaining their idea of being "non-binary" which boil down to nothing but reinforcing stereotypes - claiming things like being an adult female and cutting your hair short makes them "non-binary" because "women have long hair - ie an utterly regressive sexist stereotype. I'm asking you, to in detail explain what you think the non-sexist standard you are basing your entire foundation on is. If you can't articulate any actual specifics then you can't actually have an understanding of it yourself.
@@ambientjohnny you pose very interesting questions. I'll try and unpack them for you.
1) what is the "norm"?. To begin "normal" is subjective (and NOT objective, as is assumed by many) and pejorative. In some cases "normal" gets defined by empirical research - research into childhood talks about the "average" child and the "normal" child. Applying this concept to a developmental milestone like walking breaks things down like this - the "average" child starts to walk anywhere from 10 - 14 months of age, with the "normal" child walking by 12 months of age. If you're a parent there's a third concept - your child, who may not walk until 15 months old - which SHOULDN'T be taken as a sign there's something "wrong" with your child. Unfortunately - in our social system - it is.
2) there's biology AND social constructivism. Disability is a good combination of both - biological differences that our society refuses to acknowledge or accept. That's because there's two different models - the "medical" model (which sees illness/disability as something "wrong" with you that needs "curing") vs the "biopsychosocial" model (which takes into account the person's biological, psychological and any social factors that impede a person's life choices/chances). Unfortunately society still places huge emphasis on the "medical" model of causation.
I like to refer in this regard to the concept of "The Triangle of Normality" - if you can fit into this triangle (with what's considered "normal being set by those at the apex), you'll sail thru life. If - for whatever reason - you can't - someone, somewhere seeking power WILL "other" you. They'll demonise you as a way to keep control of "their" support base - MAGA is a good example of this.
There's a really good reason why self harm rates are so high amongst the LGBTIQ+ community - because ALL their lives they've been told they're "sick" or "diseased" for feeling like they do, being who they are. So - yes, if - like me - you can be who you are (agender) but pass for being "cisgender" - well, you do. You be cautious about who you tell - because I don't know if you're just ignorant or are a bigot - because if you're the latter, you could really hurt me for being who I am.
Are there some people who try to be a big fish in a small pond? Yup. Those are the ones who reject the current nomenclature to describe them. To me - agender is the same thing as non-binary, but non-binary can also describe someeone who identifies as being BOTH genders simultaneously.
To be crystal clear - ability AND gender ARE BOTH SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS. That is to say - both are socially constructed. Another term would be stereotypes. And - to some people - those social constructs are super important. They NEED YOU to fit into that Triangle of Normality, otherwise - they simply can't deal with you. And - that's just plain wrong - in my honest opinion. We KNOW there are 5-6 different combinations of sex chromosomes - XX (female), XY (male) - which is 98% of ALL births - science estimates 2% of people get born with Differences of Sex Differentiation (what used to be called Intersex) - people who have XXX or XO (Turner's Syndrome - such people are sterile), XYY, XXY. This is because of how the sex cells (egg & sperm) get made to begin with.
From a post op point of view "treated" if you like I know that since the op and maybe about two years into the hormones I felt myself to be behaving morenaturally and felt myself to be part of my body.... before that I felt detached from my body, felt myself to be an observer of my actions,and the actions of other people... in other words I felt myself to be trying to perform in a role to which I wasnot suited. I watched all the time trying, and failing to behave in the wrong gender role... I have been post op now for 8 years... undoubtedly I am a much happier person... from the first anti androgenic tablets I took... it all got easier... and to be honest have never looked back. Thank you for the video... this research supports the truth, unlike the propaganda of the women hating religious right!!
0:22 yesss gimme the evidence-
I think there are social factors that are never spoken about, but to be honest if they were understood I think transition would make more sense to the general population. The fact is being gay can be hard. When you’re muscular and attractive, it’s easy. But what if you’re naturally very skinny, you can’t put on weight. What if you’re bullied for being gay growing up , a lot of your early romantic interactions are with guys who come to identify as straight, your family is extremely unaccepting of you being gay. What you end up with is someone who’s been told their whole life being gay is wrong, and then on top of that, in their adult life they’re overlooked by their community. No one wants to sleep with them because they don’t fit the classic ‘muscle gay’ aesthetic (or a feminine aesthetic for biological girls). I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve been disappointed by gay men… by contrast, most of my experiences with straight men have been really positive. You end up seeing that life on the other side might just be a lot better. That straight guys actually appreciate your skinny body, rather than resent it. That straight girls appreciate your masculinity, rather than finding it off putting. These are really simple reasons but you’d be an idiot if you can’t see that these factor in.
How is that not the actual modern day conversion therapy? Trying to turn a gay boy into a straight woman...
Yeah, that is something I've thought about in relation to this. If hypothetically it turned out that most of the gender differences between brains didn't really exist and were just statistical noise... that is to say, if it turns out it doesn't actually "feel different inside" to be a girl from how it feels to be a boy, other than the body, then there is another explanation that would make a lot of sense. Simply that being a feminine guy often kind of sucks and transwomen are often happier because it offers them a way out of that existence. So it might turn out that it's less that they want to be girls, and more that they just really, really, don't want to be stuck living as feminine boys and find themselves envying the ease with which girls can be themselves in that regard. Like, for instance... most straight women want masculine-looking partners who are more assertive and muscular, and so do most gay men, as you pointed out. Women and men who prefer feminine partners... well, they tend to like boobs and don't like to see a lot of body hair. Meaning that for some people, they might find themselves only able to date a very small handful of bisexual or demisexual people that are fine with someone having a feminine personality in a masculine body (or vice-versa) unless they transition. I'm not saying that's the only reason someone would ever transition, but I have to imagine it could become an influence in some cases. That is to say, maybe it will turn out that being trans actually is more similar to a sexual orientation, in the sense that it cuts a different cross-section than homosexual/heterosexual. Normal homosexuals deal with a social stigma that mostly comes from who they find attractive being different from the norm. Transgender people could be dealing with a social stigma that comes from not BEING physically attractive to others in a way that pleases them. Transmen might be frustrated with both lesbian women and straight men as partners because of the expectation of having to be feminine, and transwomen might be frustrated with both straight women and gay men as partners because of the expectation of having to be masculine. I know this is an over-simplification and that a lot more goes into trans identity than that, but I find it hard to believe that wouldn't be a factor at all.
@@jeremyandrews3292 No I agree totally, it is about the expectation to be masculine. Thats literally it. In the gay world, there's an expectation to be masculine... While at the same time, so many gay people are growing up idolising Britney Spears, surrounded by messages from TV that to be attractive to men, you have to be a gorgeous female pop star. If you're naturally feminine, I think you latch onto that... Combine that femininity with being too skinny to ever attract anyone at a gay club, transitioning becomes a really advertising prospect. It's about trying to find out where you fit, and the truth is, for some people its *really* hard to fit the ideal gay stereotype. The bar is really high... A lot of people in the straight world don't realise how high the bar is for gay men. To the extent that for many, living as a woman is just a lot more attainable.
Very interesting for me because i am a trans female.
You're a man
flat lander @roxieroots
So another person who is conflating sex and gender while claiming the two are separate...
Dr Savic raised the question: How to solve the situation when a minor wants hormones? The discussion goes on to talk about other "elective" cosmetic procedures and birth control pills. At what point do you say no to someone? Body dysmorphia is a real condition - so If want to cut my hand off - you are going to break out a saw? Apparently Sweden has made the decision.
UPDATE - Sweden pulls back on treatment for minors identifying as transgender. To date: the massive uprise in trans youth suicide has not happened. It hasn't happened because it never did happen in the past. The suicide happen AFTER medical transition:
May 2021 -- the Karolinska Hospital in Stockholm has chosen to restrict prescribing puberty blockers and hormone treatments for youth identifying as transgender - it will be restricted to research projects only.
February 2022 - Sweden's National Board of Health and Welfare halts hormone therapy and blockers for minors except in very rare cases
December 2022 - Sweden's National Board of Health and Welfare declares mastectomies for teenage girls wanting to transition should be limited to a research setting.
Board department head Thomas Linden said in a statement in December: "The uncertain state of knowledge calls for caution,"
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I’m sorry,is it the camera angle? I know you aren’t a bobble head, the angle is too much
So, it's not a social construct. It's biological.
Gender is biological, gender expression and roles are social constructs.
Simple answer, it's both.
@@raapyna8544 name one other thing in the world that is biological and socially constructed and go
@@ryanthomas9306 language. Biologically, our brains and other structures such as the our tongue, larynx, etc have evolved to allow for complex speech but socially we learn how to communicate based on those around us
@@enzoarayamorales7220 claiming to be "trans" is a subjective metaphysical claim, where the claimants are demanding their supposed subjective experience should override the physical reality of others. If they weren't making these demands, there would be no problem (ie, males stopped demanding access to female-only spaces, protections and activities. Stopped trying to redefine the term "woman", and stopped demanding to legally be regarded as the opposite sex of what they are, ie actually followed their own mantra of "sex and gender are separate").
Help me understand this?
1) Gender is a societal construct, not biological. Meaning gender is not innate, it's decided by society.
2) Being Transgender is not a choice. You're born that way.
But those two concepts conflict with each other. It is not possible to know you were born the wrong gender if you need someone to tell you what gender is.
Gender roles are a societal construct with expectations based on reproductive organs, gender is sense of self and how a person may express themselves as an individual.
Due to how people are labelled in one of two ways at birth by whatever's between their legs then for centuries it's always been seen as the only way to define a person when in reality a person is so much more than their physical sex, whatever that may be.
Gender and sex are two different things, gender is aspect of self, sex is more physical and based around reproductive expectations. Gender roles are a series of rigid, restrictive rules based around reproductive organs that limit a person's potential in life by forcing them to live according to roles and rules designed around those genitals - Anyone with inwards reproductive organs being seen as weak and only good for pleasuring men for example, popping out babies, being limited to taking care of a home and children while anyone with outward reproductive organs are expected to be emotionally repressed and focused on strength and domination, with being the stronger.
Gender roles don't define a person, they restrict them.
It isn't hard to understand.
@@ReinaHW You are restricting people by enforcing the stereotypes you claim you're trying to get around. Gender roles are most definitely NOT a series of rigid and restrictive rules. Things like women being weak, only good for pleasuring men, popping out babies, and being a homemaker have been outdated concepts for decades. Same with saying men are all about strength and domination.
Is a cis woman any less of a woman because she doesn't like wearing dresses or wearing a lot of makeup? Or is a cis woman, who's a professional in the stunt industry any less female? No. Of course not.
There are no universal rules for gender roles. They're different from culture to culture and change over time.
Yes, gender is a construct and being transgender is not a choice. There is no contradiction here. The contradiction is only apparent.
Gender is a subset of culture; it's everything a culture believes about the differences between males and females. It has to be taught, just like the rest of culture. Children come into the world predisposed to learn culture. The clearest example of that is language acquisition. English is not biological; it's a social construct. But that doesn't mean that language, or the ability to acquire language, is a social construct. Likewise, a gender is not biological, but that doesn't mean that the ability to acquire a gender is a social construct; acquiring a gender is just part of ordinary learning, like learning a language or how not to be eaten by tigers. It's just part of what a child learns. Imo, a gender is best understood as a behavioral language (and behavioral taboos). Men and women act differently because they have learned different behavioral dialects.
What is quite evident from the study of trans children is that children come into the world predisposed to learn how to perform one reproductive role or another. (Since knowing how and when to reproduce and how to care for children is important for our survival, just like knowing what and what not to eat.) The ability of infants to differentiate between males and females seems to suggest that this is innate (biological). Most children are predisposed to learn the role that matches their sex (ie. they are cisgender); not all are. That's why you have children as young as 18 months rejecting the role that matches their sex and insisting on the role of the opposite sex. They are trying to learn how to perform the role they believe they are supposed to perform. Gender is a social construct, but the predisposition to master one particular gender or the other is not. (I believe 'gender orientation' best describes this predisposition.) That predisposition, or orientation, guides how the child directs their attention and what they internalize (eg. which parent they identify with, whether they prefer boys or girls as peers). An internalized gender is a gender identity. (And because the predisposition is biological, it is also subject to variation, just like anatomy, which is why we have nonbinary identities.)
If someone interferes in that process, by refusing to allow a child to master the gender matching their predisposition, and by refusing to grant the child access to their gender community, what you end up with is gender dysphoria. If the dysphoria is severe enough, that person may not be able to function in society. Not being allowed to act on their innate preferences, and being forced to act contrary to their preferences, day after day, (ie. not being allowed to be themselves) they may decide that life is not worth living. Which is why suicide rates in the trans community are astronomically high. We know from about a hundred years of clinical therapy that there is no way to change a person's gender orientation, and that attempting to do so is harmful, so the only sane, rational, and compassionate response is to support them in their transition (affirmation).
I can't give you a study 'proving' all this; you have to be familiar with a significant amount of the research to piece this stuff together. But Bevan talks about gender orientation in The Psychobiology of Transsexualism and Transgenderism and the book has extensive citations (though it came out in 2015 so it doesn't include all the newer stuff).
@@daviawyliefinch3017 If gender is a subset of culture and has to be taught, then gender dysphoria is dependent on where and when you were raised. Because gender roles and stereotypes are not universal. There is no unified global culture across the planet. South Carolina, New York, Houston, Tokyo, Moscow, or India just to give examples of different cultures, would have different ideas on what it means to be female.
Gender roles are not set in stone, they shift. No person on the planet is 100% male or 100% female in their gender role for the entirety of their life. Partially because you cannot define an adult human's gender role consistently, and also because cultures change over time, and people change over time.
And let children be children. If they want to be a princess one day and a soldier the next day and a cowboy the next day and Wonder Woman the next day, so be it. Let them experience life and get their bearings before trying to shoe-horn them into potentially harmful mindsets like what you think you are when you're 4 years old will be a definite indicator of what you're going to be like for the rest of your life.
@@williamzebub3252 We have to be careful not to conflate gender with gender roles. Gender roles are a subset of gender.
The specifics of gender will vary from culture to culture, as you said, so the specific attributes about which a person feels dysphoria will vary from culture to culture. In a different culture, with different genders, different children will experience dysphoria. Unless, ofc, every child is allowed to self-identify as a member of the gender group to which they feel they belong. (Even this won't eliminate it entirely, because cis people also experience dysphoria about particular traits, but it helps.)
In our culture, some of the attributes associated with the gender 'woman' are: XX chromosomes, female genitals, breasts, the ability to bear and nurse children--every attribute we associate with 'female' is included in our culture's definition of 'woman,' which means all of these attributes are potential sources of gender dysphoria, in addition to all the purely cultural differences, such as clothing choices and occupational preferences. Most binary trans women want XX chromosomes and the ability to bear and nurse children. (Even if these things are not currently possible.)
Because there is clearly a biological component to transgender identities, and children are born being able to distinguish males from females before they have a chance to be socialized, this is most likely because their brain is prepared for a female reproductive role. That's what the science currently seems to suggest. It is unlikely that any degree of permissiveness in a culture is going to eliminate this kind of physical dysphoria related to anatomical traits. If you look at members of third genders in other cultures, you will still see people talking about how they wish they had female or male bodies with appropriate reproductive capabilities. This cross-sex preference seems to be a universal phenomenon, though not every individual feels this way.
Some of the other attributes associated with 'woman' in our culture are she/her pronouns and inclusion in women's spaces (ie. being treated as part of the community of women). Pretty much every binary trans woman experiences dysphoria over being misgendered and wants to be seen as and treated like a woman. No amount of permissiveness surrounding gender expression is going to solve this problem. Social categorization is a fundamental aspect of identity. Letting everyone dress however they like is not going to eliminate the need for trans people to be referred to with the correct pronouns or to be included in the correct spaces.
What you're doing in your post is conflating gender expression with gender identity and they are not the same thing. 'Gender nonconforming' (behavior, expression) and 'transgender' (identity, being included in a social category) are not the same thing. There are gender conforming trans people and gender nonconforming trans people; there are gender conforming cis people and gender nonconforming cis people. Every trans person knows this. This is Trans 101. I don't know anyone in the trans community who believes that being gender nonconforming makes you trans. We all understand that the two are completely separate, just like gender identity and sexual orientation. So you won't find any trans people telling children that wearing a dress makes them a girl. Only the child can know whether they're gender nonconforming and/or transgender. Whether they want to transition (or detransition) is entirely up to them. All we want to know is what will make them happy.
The only people who are truly letting children be children are trans people and their allies (like Gender Affirmative therapists). Everyone else is trying to make their children conform to specific anatomical/social/gender categories, even if they're permissive when it comes to gender expression. Usually, this is because they do not truly understand what trans people are experiencing. (And if you're not trans, it's hard.) If you do not respect a child's pronoun preferences and do not respect their membership in a gender category, then you are not letting them be themselves. You are still telling them what kind of person to be. "No, you are not a boy, you are a girl." Gender nonconforming children will benefit from your permissiveness (which is good), but trans children will still want to transition and will still experience dysphoria about their bodies and social categories.
Kentarci et al have shown that hormone replacement therapy with Estradiol shrinks the brain and leads to ventricular volume expansion. This may lead to depression. So you fix one issue of body image and cause many issues related to mental health.
as a trans woman on hrt, i dont get depression unless i experience hate or discrimnination.the effect of depression caused by dysphoria lessened when i came out,and diminished after hrt. much the same reported on trans forums, with a minority reporting downsides.narrowing focus on depression limits research outcomes.there are lots of changes on coming out & hrt which researchers would find fascinating tbh
@@cazhatten3341 I am glad you do not. The impact on your brain will be seen in later years. For ciswomen hrt beyond 4 years is not even well studied. Most large scale studies were stopped due to brain morphology changes to risky levels. Unfortunately what is not allowed in ciswomen beyond 60 is allowed at 2 times or higher doses for transwomen with data all pointing to early onset dementia. The impact on your brain now will be seen in later years.
@@woof2010woof most trans take hrt at same dosage as cis women, and rarely go over that limit tbh.all hrt is not studied exhaustively iunfortunately.data for early dementia is inconclusive for what ive read.hormones are natural for body function and we are at an early stage of understanding.the decision on hrt i balance against things like bone health.studies show profesterone may be beneficial to trans women, so this may play a part.if you want to weigh health factors, 6 years ago if i hadnt transistioned i wouldnt be here to type this.
to add, what you refer to as "body image" is not exactly the same as body dismorphia, and part of it is brain related. studies emerging reveal hrt also has an effect on the part of the brain relating to self image and helps to quell gender dysphoria.so even if i couldnt see my body the hrt has other effects. if scientists work with trans people and dont come in from a cisnormative angle they learn more. another inhibitor of out healthcare is almost all medoiaction/surgery was developed with cis populations in mind.if it were different pathways would be far improved.either way id far rather be trans than cishet.my predecessors were shamen,priestesses,considered lucky and guided society.
@@cazhatten3341 there is hardly any study on dementia in ciswomen on HRT. None at all in transwomen. But in ciswomen after RCT , hrt over 4 years is not recommended and never studied due to risk. How can lifelong hrt be good if in ciswomen it is not good ?
I’m here after the cass report lol.
This woman is the modern day Frankenstein experiment
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When you get relief from HRT, does that also include relief from hurt and rage when someone innocently misgenders you?
You’ll never pass as the sex you want to fool others into believing you are. My God, delusional. It’s always hiding in plain sight. Society knows. And YOU know, deep in your bones, that you are as you were born. #truthHURTS but it’s the TRUTH.
You think hrt will rewire coping mechanisms to hearing a word ???
Okay these kids need help not hormones
No, this lady doesn’t sound crazy at all…🤨
Bring on the Trans brain.😶
This subject could be very very fascinating except for the fact that this scientist's heavy, intrusive accent really ruins the clear message she is trying to communicate.
Let me clarify. Her medical oversight board in Sweden told the doctor to STOP prescribing hormones and blockers to minors. It is now the national policy.
flat lander
Or we could make more space fopr people to be ok being gay and lesbian call it what you want.
gender stuff like trans and sexuality, gay straight, bi are different.
@@jbw6823 Some times depending on who is leading the discussion. I will say After seeing your comment I listened to the video again and actually she is talking about some different types of investigation than I thought had been referenced. So I stand humbled and corrected on this one. Frankly I think my comment was primarily directed at the host's final comments around depathoplogization and facilitation of easier access to treatments which these days comes with expanding access to children's and endorsement of early non clinically advisable prepubescent transition. My apologies for any prejudice against the good doctor's actual research I might have expressed or engendered.
@@jbw6823 Again thanks for prompting me to reconsider my quick dismissal which was not reflective of my overall response to the substance of the discussion
@@ryr1974 ok. cool.
@@jbw6823I wish the t was not apart of lgb because I’m full for lgb but the t is a disgrace
sheees koo koo
flat lander
Very importent studerende yes....but no it does not
This is some insane waffling pseudo science. 😂
flat lander
"Sapolsky's view that "on average" the sexually dimorphic parts of the brain show the opposite trend in those trans individuals who report always having felt themselves to be the other gender, but there's a lot to unpack there. The first thing to note is the "on average", which immediately means that some will show very little difference from their "assigned gender", while others will show more. Then there's the question - as he mentioned someone hypothesizing - of whether those who only "discover" they are trans in their teenage years, or as they approach puberty or adolescence, are simply having a delayed response, or - as has been asserted several times in the field - might be responding to social contagion, or a convenient way to avoid the fallout of childhood trauma, of abuse or neglect, or fears of one's expected gender roles in future, or internalized homophobia in cases of self-suppressed homosexual feelings, of simple teenage rebelliousness, etc., etc.
Then there remains the question of what these sexually dimorphic brain regions represent, in anyone. If we learn to play a musical instrument, our brain changes. If we get more or less exercise, or change diet, or join a book group - everything we do has some effect on the structure of our brain. So it follows that those regional differences in the sexes might correspond functionally - might be causally related to - all manner of thoughts, feelings and behaviours that we associate with the sexes. Indeed it seems obvious they will. Sapolsky criticised the literature from the 50s in which aberrant behaviour in females meant not wanting to play with dolls. Silly old sexist nonsense. But it follows that if these kinds of behaviours - which we now consider sexual stereotypes, and regarding which we now encourage freedom of sexual expression - correspond with the sexual dimorphism of the brain regions mentioned, then the "gendered brain" might not indicate, as one student put it, "being in the wrong body", but merely having one particular constellation of behaviours that either sex ought to be able to express. Indeed, interviews with trans individuals often include such stereotypes, which they consider indicators of their "wrong body", rather than thinking "I'm a tomboy" or "I'm a sensitive kind of guy".
This is extremely important, because we know that there are rising numbers of transitioners in the West (particularly the USA), and rising numbers of detransitioners criticising the one-size-fits-all, so-called "affirmative care" model, which took their self-reports of feeling odd in their social role and stuck them on puberty blockers, opposite-sex hormones, and perhaps surgical procedures, which they now bitterly regret and see as completely erroneous. Those procedures often lead to a range of physical and psychological distress that could have been avoided, including sterility.
We also know from several other cases that social contagion is a real phenomenon and affects in particular pre-pubescent girls. We know that our frontal cortex takes twenty-odd years to come fully on line, the part of our brain that finds compromises and rational solutions to things that disturb our monolithic emotions without its sober cogitation. We know that its functioning is even more widly confused during puberty - younger children make better decisions than teenagers! All this should give us great caution about allowing private medical companies to trade in gender transition procedures without proper assessment of other possible routes. It should stop us hearing "brains are gendered, and trans brains are opposite-gendered; and the brain is the best judge of who we are" and thinking that's cleared up the gender debate and it's time to reach for the pills or the knife. A large percentage of "trans" kids grow up through puberty (if allowed to) to recognise they were going through a phase, and they're happy in their biological sex. A significant number turn out to be gay. So running down the trans route too fast, in some cases, seems to be a kind of dystopian, radical conversion therapy - for gay people, turning them into pseudo-straight people, by pretending they're the other sex."
´"Human bodies have evolved to go through the sexual puberty that corresponds to their biological sex. There is no such thing as the wrong puberty. There is puberty (the thing your body is built to do) and there are degrees of artificial sterility that can be inflicted on it."
"You pretend you know sex is different from gender, but really you imagine the person has some kind of sexed soul that's the opposite (or some other condition) from their physical sex. And you repeat obvious lies endlessly, like nobody is going to get surgery before they're 18 - research how many double mastectomies were done in the last few years on girls (GIRLS, the ones with breasts) at 14 and 15 and 16, even many at 13 years old.
And your utter bs that transition surgery is one of the most successful medical procedures ever. The patient is butchered. They very often have incontinence problems. They spend inordinate amounts of money trying to get the "complications" sorted, lining the pockets of surgeons, but often getting nowhere nearer a healthy body, and nowhere near the image of themselves they were aiming at. A high proportion continue to have mental health problems that were not sorted out, because the exploratory therapy you imagine happens doesn't, and almost all therapists involved feel brow-beaten into affirming the gender the person is supposedly "exploring" (often at risk of losing their job, or being attacked by a trans mob). And those mental health problems are increased by living a lie - pretending, trying to pass as the opposite sex, and feigning conditions like "a gay trans man" or "a trans lesbian".
The contrast with homosexual rights is stark, and vast numbers of gays and lesbians are disavowing the trans nonsense, seeing much of it as gay conversion therapy by stealth."
"It is insane to suggest that mental health problems are somehow available to be dealt with by a young person AFTER they have declared themselves to be a different sex ("gender" is just smoke up your ass) from their biologial sex, and added all the complications of transition!
We have masses of evidence that transition is seen as the magic silver bullet that will solve a young person's problems, only to find that after going down that route they still have all the same issues they did before, only now they're obsessed by how well they're doing with their transition, how well they pass, how they're coping with the side-effects of medication, planning where this journey is going to end, will they have surgery and when, how are they being accepted or not by their peers, their family, the rest of society.
It is insane to assess someone with any mental health problem and, before helping them discover the root of those problems and heal from them, dumping transition procedures on them! I am trained in therapeutic counselling and practised counselling for a decade, so I know what I'm talking about. Until the TRA Critical Study fruitloops got hold of our culture by the throat, no therapist would countenance doing such a stupid thing.
Now even the BACP is being infiltrated by them. Individuals like you I just feel compassion for, pity, because you've been hoodwinked, your delusions have been accepted as truths and amplified. Your delusion that you are somehow "female" despite clearly being male, is wrong and stupid and you should have been corrected. There is no blame in that (from me - I know other GCs can be cruel because they don't understand the psychological pressures on every one of us and why we choose to do the things we do).
You massively underestimate the regret, for example, because you don't take into account the enormous resistance someone feels when they contemplate desistance or detransition, yet the evidence is out there. Follow the work of Eliza Mondegreen, for instance. You will probably baulk at the idea, because she's dubbed a hateful transphobe, but she clearly is not, she's a caring, concerned and highly intelligent student of the phenomenon, particularly focusing on the psychological and social pressures on people transitioning and detransitioning.
She shows that the social media where gender-questioning youth go radicalizes them - it sucks them in. They are told that to be at all gender questioning (which most young people go through as part of growing towards puberty) means you ARE "trans". They are schooled in how to play the system to convince medics and told that their parents must accept their gender identity or be rejected. They're love bombed, invited into their sparkly trans family of people who don't know them from Adam (or Eve), and any doubts they have are twisted into signs of "internalized transphobia". If all this is new to you, it's because you've not been following the phenomenon in an unbiased fashion, and it's time you began reading the GC material. Having "hundreds of trans friends" is a source of bias, it doesn't make you an expert on trans. There is, in fact, no such thing as "being trans" - as far as we know, there is no such physiological condition - there is merely thinking you are, or trying to appear like, the opposite sex. You will never know what an actual human female feels like, or deal with any of their actual lived experiences in this world, and nor will I. Sorry if that all sounds harsh, but you insisted you needed to continue putting out your incorrect propaganda, and I felt the need to push back against it."
> A large percentage of "trans" kids grow up through puberty (if allowed to) to recognise they were going through a phase, and they're happy in their biological sex. A significant number turn out to be gay.
you got a source for that, Johnny? that's a wild claim to make.
I commend the "effort" you have taken to justify your complete misunderstanding of what a difference it makes to anybody to truly feel happy in themselves. There are many women who can not have children many women have hysterectomies I imagine they are also seen as second class womyn by your good self??
If this were 70 years ago, she'd be writing papers about the "benefits" of lobotomy. Flawed methodology at best.
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@@CatrinaDaimonLee nice strawman, so original.
@@CatrinaDaimonLee Oh btw I dont deny biology unlike you, presumably. So you would fit the flat earther analogy better
The problem with the brain studies angle, is that differences in brain structure and such are also characteristic of many other conditions of the mind. We don't say that therefore their beliefs are valid. At best, we might say this explains why they *have* those beliefs. Besides which, we all know that even if a biological male with a so-called "male brain" identified as a woman, he'd be accepted as such by those who've subscribed to your worldview. The science is really quite irrelevant to transgenderism.
Around 9 -10 minutes, dr ivanka is talking about how she doesn’t know if the brain difference is a scientific precursor for gender incongruence or if it’s a consequence
So the less matured areas of the brain are more likely due to poor coping mechanisms
Exactly! Scientific findings do NOT support transgenderism. They only provide some possible explainations why some people have those beliefs. They do NOT say a male who believes he is a female is a female. They do NOT say a female who believes she is a male is a male. But scientists are human beings and human beings have emotions. Scientists do often make simple logical fallacies in their interpretation of their findings. "Being a male" is very different from "being a female who believes she is a male" though activists may try to blur the line between different categories with science. HRT can do nothing to change a female into a male. And what exactly is a male or female brain?
I think you mean "female" Brain? The interesting thing about a transgender person is, say if they were a biological female, the Brain isn't just a male brain in a female body, transgender brains are actually somewhat different from either gender as well
@@theshermantanker7043 Exactly! It is not possible to divide human beings into either male or female based on brain structure. If anything, a female who believes she is male is still a female, just one with some (but not all) wiring in her brain more typical of males. In fact, her brain is on average structurally more similar to other cisgender females than males. NO scientists have so far said something like transmen are male and transwomen female. This is more a question of IQ and logical reasoning. There is not much biology or neuroscience behind transgenderism.
@@theshermantanker7043 No, I meant that even if a biological male with a "male brain" identified as a woman, they'd be accepted as a woman if they only identified as one. That's because it's completely based on how someone self-identifies, not on anything to do with science.
But that still leaves terms like "man" and "woman" without an objective, workable definition, on transgenderism. One of the many reasons it's incoherent.
its symptome treatement nothing more
not really. she shows connectivity changes in new work.
@@jbw6823she says in the video she has no clue if the treatment is right
Also she specifically says she doesn’t know if the brain difference is what causes trans or is due to trans behavior
She found the motor Cortex of the brain is less mature in trans people
That is all
Well yes, you bring up a good point. But this is literally the best we can do at this point, there is no way to cure a transgender brain into one that can settle comfortably into your body. I'd be happy if such a miracle treatment existed, but as of yet it doesn't
We need to not focus on feelings - like it is getting out of hand. Anybody can say what they feel like - “I feel like a dog.” “I feel like a piece of cheese.” Tomorrow I am gonna feel like a bed. Where do you draw the line? You are born as what you are - work on yourself that way.
Yes. Stop painkillers. I feel like I'm in pain is so irrational. Anti depressants? Stop that, that's feelings.
@@lanabeniko8190 Nothing like what the poster was talking about. The cause of pain can be traced to physical ailments, and in the majority of cases some physical accident has occurred prior to the need to ingest painkillers. What exactly determines the validity of "trans" claims?
What is the "norm", how are "binary people" SUPPOSED to act/feel etc.? You simply must have some standard you consider the norm from which you consider yourself to be diverting or "opting out" of, because if you don't then simply declaring yourself "not like them" is utterly meaningless if you can't actually articulate what exactly it is you consider yourself separate from - what determines whether someone "is" a woman or a man instead of biology? What do you think makes you not a man or a woman exactly? What behaviour should a man or a woman display? If you don't believe sexist stereotypes determine people´s "gender", then based on what exactly are you "non-binary"? Can you explain what behaviours/thoughts you are diverting from without mentioning any sexist stereotypes as that from which you are "diverting? If you cannot provide an answer with specific details of behaviour and thoughts etc. that are more than sexist stereotypes, then you cannot in any way claim to be avoiding sexist stereotypes.
If you cannot articulate how your idea of "the norm, the binary", from which you claim to be opting out is separate from sexist stereotypes surrounding men and women, then you cannot claim to be basing your understanding on anything else than sexist stereotypes.
There are videos of "non-binary" people explaining their idea of being "non-binary" which boil down to nothing but reinforcing stereotypes - claiming things like being an adult female and cutting your hair short makes them "non-binary" because "women have long hair - ie an utterly regressive sexist stereotype. I'm asking you, to in detail explain what you think the non-sexist standard you are basing your entire foundation on is. If you can't articulate any actual specifics then you can't actually have an understanding of it yourself.
@@lanabeniko8190 "Sapolsky's view that "on average" the sexually dimorphic parts of the brain show the opposite trend in those trans individuals who report always having felt themselves to be the other gender, but there's a lot to unpack there. The first thing to note is the "on average", which immediately means that some will show very little difference from their "assigned gender", while others will show more. Then there's the question - as he mentioned someone hypothesizing - of whether those who only "discover" they are trans in their teenage years, or as they approach puberty or adolescence, are simply having a delayed response, or - as has been asserted several times in the field - might be responding to social contagion, or a convenient way to avoid the fallout of childhood trauma, of abuse or neglect, or fears of one's expected gender roles in future, or internalized homophobia in cases of self-suppressed homosexual feelings, of simple teenage rebelliousness, etc., etc.
Then there remains the question of what these sexually dimorphic brain regions represent, in anyone. If we learn to play a musical instrument, our brain changes. If we get more or less exercise, or change diet, or join a book group - everything we do has some effect on the structure of our brain. So it follows that those regional differences in the sexes might correspond functionally - might be causally related to - all manner of thoughts, feelings and behaviours that we associate with the sexes. Indeed it seems obvious they will. Sapolsky criticised the literature from the 50s in which aberrant behaviour in females meant not wanting to play with dolls. Silly old sexist nonsense. But it follows that if these kinds of behaviours - which we now consider sexual stereotypes, and regarding which we now encourage freedom of sexual expression - correspond with the sexual dimorphism of the brain regions mentioned, then the "gendered brain" might not indicate, as one student put it, "being in the wrong body", but merely having one particular constellation of behaviours that either sex ought to be able to express. Indeed, interviews with trans individuals often include such stereotypes, which they consider indicators of their "wrong body", rather than thinking "I'm a tomboy" or "I'm a sensitive kind of guy".
This is extremely important, because we know that there are rising numbers of transitioners in the West (particularly the USA), and rising numbers of detransitioners criticising the one-size-fits-all, so-called "affirmative care" model, which took their self-reports of feeling odd in their social role and stuck them on puberty blockers, opposite-sex hormones, and perhaps surgical procedures, which they now bitterly regret and see as completely erroneous. Those procedures often lead to a range of physical and psychological distress that could have been avoided, including sterility.
We also know from several other cases that social contagion is a real phenomenon and affects in particular pre-pubescent girls. We know that our frontal cortex takes twenty-odd years to come fully on line, the part of our brain that finds compromises and rational solutions to things that disturb our monolithic emotions without its sober cogitation. We know that its functioning is even more widly confused during puberty - younger children make better decisions than teenagers! All this should give us great caution about allowing private medical companies to trade in gender transition procedures without proper assessment of other possible routes. It should stop us hearing "brains are gendered, and trans brains are opposite-gendered; and the brain is the best judge of who we are" and thinking that's cleared up the gender debate and it's time to reach for the pills or the knife. A large percentage of "trans" kids grow up through puberty (if allowed to) to recognise they were going through a phase, and they're happy in their biological sex. A significant number turn out to be gay. So running down the trans route too fast, in some cases, seems to be a kind of dystopian, radical conversion therapy - for gay people, turning them into pseudo-straight people, by pretending they're the other sex."
´"Human bodies have evolved to go through the sexual puberty that corresponds to their biological sex. There is no such thing as the wrong puberty. There is puberty (the thing your body is built to do) and there are degrees of artificial sterility that can be inflicted on it."
"You pretend you know sex is different from gender, but really you imagine the person has some kind of sexed soul that's the opposite (or some other condition) from their physical sex. And you repeat obvious lies endlessly, like nobody is going to get surgery before they're 18 - research how many double mastectomies were done in the last few years on girls (GIRLS, the ones with breasts) at 14 and 15 and 16, even many at 13 years old.
And your utter bs that transition surgery is one of the most successful medical procedures ever. The patient is butchered. They very often have incontinence problems. They spend inordinate amounts of money trying to get the "complications" sorted, lining the pockets of surgeons, but often getting nowhere nearer a healthy body, and nowhere near the image of themselves they were aiming at. A high proportion continue to have mental health problems that were not sorted out, because the exploratory therapy you imagine happens doesn't, and almost all therapists involved feel brow-beaten into affirming the gender the person is supposedly "exploring" (often at risk of losing their job, or being attacked by a trans mob). And those mental health problems are increased by living a lie - pretending, trying to pass as the opposite sex, and feigning conditions like "a gay trans man" or "a trans lesbian".
The contrast with homosexual rights is stark, and vast numbers of gays and lesbians are disavowing the trans nonsense, seeing much of it as gay conversion therapy by stealth."
"It is insane to suggest that mental health problems are somehow available to be dealt with by a young person AFTER they have declared themselves to be a different sex ("gender" is just smoke up your ass) from their biologial sex, and added all the complications of transition!
We have masses of evidence that transition is seen as the magic silver bullet that will solve a young person's problems, only to find that after going down that route they still have all the same issues they did before, only now they're obsessed by how well they're doing with their transition, how well they pass, how they're coping with the side-effects of medication, planning where this journey is going to end, will they have surgery and when, how are they being accepted or not by their peers, their family, the rest of society.
It is insane to assess someone with any mental health problem and, before helping them discover the root of those problems and heal from them, dumping transition procedures on them! I am trained in therapeutic counselling and practised counselling for a decade, so I know what I'm talking about. Until the TRA Critical Study fruitloops got hold of our culture by the throat, no therapist would countenance doing such a stupid thing.
Now even the BACP is being infiltrated by them. Individuals like you I just feel compassion for, pity, because you've been hoodwinked, your delusions have been accepted as truths and amplified. Your delusion that you are somehow "female" despite clearly being male, is wrong and stupid and you should have been corrected. There is no blame in that (from me - I know other GCs can be cruel because they don't understand the psychological pressures on every one of us and why we choose to do the things we do).
You massively underestimate the regret, for example, because you don't take into account the enormous resistance someone feels when they contemplate desistance or detransition, yet the evidence is out there. Follow the work of Eliza Mondegreen, for instance. You will probably baulk at the idea, because she's dubbed a hateful transphobe, but she clearly is not, she's a caring, concerned and highly intelligent student of the phenomenon, particularly focusing on the psychological and social pressures on people transitioning and detransitioning.
She shows that the social media where gender-questioning youth go radicalizes them - it sucks them in. They are told that to be at all gender questioning (which most young people go through as part of growing towards puberty) means you ARE "trans". They are schooled in how to play the system to convince medics and told that their parents must accept their gender identity or be rejected. They're love bombed, invited into their sparkly trans family of people who don't know them from Adam (or Eve), and any doubts they have are twisted into signs of "internalized transphobia". If all this is new to you, it's because you've not been following the phenomenon in an unbiased fashion, and it's time you began reading the GC material. Having "hundreds of trans friends" is a source of bias, it doesn't make you an expert on trans. There is, in fact, no such thing as "being trans" - as far as we know, there is no such physiological condition - there is merely thinking you are, or trying to appear like, the opposite sex. You will never know what an actual human female feels like, or deal with any of their actual lived experiences in this world, and nor will I. Sorry if that all sounds harsh, but you insisted you needed to continue putting out your incorrect propaganda, and I felt the need to push back against it."
@@ambientjohnny Do honestly just scroll through months and months of comments to copy and paste whatever on everything?
Are you really this bored, on a weekend?
@@lanabeniko8190 Nice typical deflection when you have nothing in actual response to rebuttals of your TRA lies.
Why isn't the trend towards looking at the manufacturer's (the Creator God) manual to understand exactly what this is all about? He has provided the simple truths. We seem to be listening to educated but alternative explanations, so that God is left out of the discussion. It's very sad. Mankind is a pitiful creature apart from God.
Page 3454: Chapter 88: Problem solving! Blanc. But he gave us science to figure it out.
@@markzandecki9400 - God's word tells us plainly. So, what's to "figure out?"
Well because the trend is moving away from bronze age fairy tales.
flat lander
She babbles way too much so you can hardly understand her!
This video should be called how HRT works, we have no clue and will discuss why !
Brain damage is hard to cure. Great song from pink floyds Dark Side of The Moon. Accept the fact you have brain damage.
ALL THIS IW Js jus sum more BS
I bet your the same person who backs science but once it goes against your beliefs it’s “bs” it’s science. “Facts over feelings”
flat lander
Wrong!! More nonesense
flat lander