I've made this point many times in conversations with theists: People claim they get their morals from their religion, but in reality it's more that they choose their religion to fit their morals. The example I use in support of this is the way people will change churches when the church adopts a viewpoint they don't like (like accepting same-sex relationships, etc.).
The way they quit by saying, "We can't support someone who doesn't stick with the scriptures" is absolutely nuts to me. The scriptures say a LOT more about loving one another than they do about condemning homosexuality.
Oh this is so good. Reminds of a joke. "Three pastors talk about how they handle the money from the offering in their church. First pastor says all of it goes to support the good work of the lord. The second says "Well I throw it on the table and every penny that falls from the table I keep for myself". The third says "Guys you're doing it wrong. I throw it up in the air and the lord will take as much as he needs. But whatever falls down is mine".
As a disabled person that was indoctrinated into that myth since infancy, I detest faith healers. I understand prosperity preachers confusing themselves into believing all the money being donated but the people still staying poor are 'investing in their afterlife' but did you actually believe you could heal people, despite the obvious fact that they weren't getting better?
Seth please keep doing shows like this I enjoy them so much. I have a 1 hour drive home from work. I loved the conversation between Timmy and you. I hope to meet you and Aron one day. I myself live in the Bible Belt. Very small town 7 or 8 churches. Hospital shut down but still have plenty of churches.
Seth, your first interview with @timmygibsonkc was so great and Timmy gained a new fan. Loving this 2nd part. His channel is outstanding also. Much love to both you and Timmy!
The fact that someone who goes through life committing crimes, being a bad person, not living a "Christian" lifestyle can ask for forgiveness at the 11th hour on their deathbed and be in heaven is mind blowing to me.
Timmy, I'm putting on my Christian hat. You were doing such a good work for the lord that the devil put you in his cross hairs and planted those doubts to lead you astray. Radically Saved!
20:00 Homosexuality is the great solvent of Christian faith. The Golden Rule, and the knowledge that no one chooses their sexuality, makes it impossible to continue to discriminate against gay people.
in the late 80s, I watched my brother and their friends ( The older teenagers) burn a bunch of cassettes, l remember seeing Boston and Air Supply; l might burn those myself but not because of Satanic Panic
My church had one of these music-burning events. As soon as I heard it was going to happen, I put all my Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Black Sabbath tapes in a box and hid it in a trunk in the back of my closet. Those jerks weren’t taking my music - especially not the good stuff!
Recently my Pentecostal mother died (in NZ). 3 of her kids are basically atheist (weren’t raised it as she converted a bit later on in life from Catholicism). Regarding the funeral it was an interesting exercise blending what we wanted and what our father and the pastors wanted. But in the end we reached a nice middle ground. We were respectful of them (no crudeness in the eulogy) and they were ok. Some pastors are ok, we were a bit worried it was going to go off the wall. (This was in New Zealand)
It is kind of amazing how eager people are to judge instead of learn. When I was a kid I found religions stupid, but didn't really think much of believers - it never was a big thing - but when I realized how f'd up religions can be, I was amazed and wanted to know why they believe what they believe? Well, maybe I'm just too analytic minded, but even so it's still really hard to understand what can be achieved calling people dumb or asking what's wrong with them? And it doesn't matter is one a believer or not, we all seem to do it. Me included. I just try to keep my mouth shut until those f'ers start and won't stop and I'm in a mood for it. Sad, maybe, but sort of venting out the toxic?
When the lady died in the wheelchair, I couldn't stop laughing😅. I did not expect that to come home from Timmy's mouth..😅! And then saying Jesus is not the only way to get to heaven 😅😅
Well to be honest, what’s the difference between poor people giving their money to a drug dealer or a bartender or a preacher? Stupid is as stupid does.
Sounds like the problem is these mega churches, heck any church potentially that is NAR/word of faith/pentecostal/hyper charismatic...if Timmy grew up on and preached in these environments then im not sure we should say Timmy has deconstructed...he was already there anyways
You don't have to feel sad for him - he's found the light! Now be honest, are you sad for him or are you sad for yourself because you are too scared to allow yourself to look at the evidence and come to the same conclusion as Timmy and Seth? Definition of faith (religious): Believing in something to be true in the absence of evidence!
I've made this point many times in conversations with theists: People claim they get their morals from their religion, but in reality it's more that they choose their religion to fit their morals. The example I use in support of this is the way people will change churches when the church adopts a viewpoint they don't like (like accepting same-sex relationships, etc.).
The way they quit by saying, "We can't support someone who doesn't stick with the scriptures" is absolutely nuts to me. The scriptures say a LOT more about loving one another than they do about condemning homosexuality.
Thank you so much Seth! It was a joy reconnecting and shooting the sh*t!
Couldn’t even say that as a pastor 😂
😂😂😂 really enjoyed ur interview man .keep rocking 👍👍👍
I genuinely enjoyed listening to you speak, thank you so much
The more I listen to Timmy the more I like him. Thanks for your story!
Thank you ❤
Oh this is so good. Reminds of a joke. "Three pastors talk about how they handle the money from the offering in their church. First pastor says all of it goes to support the good work of the lord. The second says "Well I throw it on the table and every penny that falls from the table I keep for myself". The third says "Guys you're doing it wrong. I throw it up in the air and the lord will take as much as he needs. But whatever falls down is mine".
Being “saved” hasn’t stopped people from doing truly awful things. Obviously not a deterrent.
Amen
I just loved this conversation! Yours and Timmy’s laughter and joy about life is so contagious.
As a disabled person that was indoctrinated into that myth since infancy, I detest faith healers. I understand prosperity preachers confusing themselves into believing all the money being donated but the people still staying poor are 'investing in their afterlife' but did you actually believe you could heal people, despite the obvious fact that they weren't getting better?
Swallowing live goldfish for Jesus absolutely slayed me. All I can picture is Jesus goin "Uh, thanks for thinking of me, I guess..."
😂
@@abracadaverous "now I'll help you find your car keys 😉"
Seth please keep doing shows like this I enjoy them so much. I have a 1 hour drive home from work. I loved the conversation between Timmy and you. I hope to meet you and Aron one day. I myself live in the Bible Belt. Very small town 7 or 8 churches. Hospital shut down but still have plenty of churches.
Seth, your first interview with @timmygibsonkc was so great and Timmy gained a new fan. Loving this 2nd part. His channel is outstanding also. Much love to both you and Timmy!
The fact that someone who goes through life committing crimes, being a bad person, not living a "Christian" lifestyle can ask for forgiveness at the 11th hour on their deathbed and be in heaven is mind blowing to me.
It took a while, but getting rid of the guilt was yhe best consequence of walking away.
Amazing! I was at that Stryper show at the Brady! It was my first concert in 6th grade. I must have been about 7 rows behind Seth.
two completely likable guys.
Timmy, I'm putting on my Christian hat.
You were doing such a good work for the lord that the devil put you in his cross hairs and planted those doubts to lead you astray.
Radically Saved!
20:00
Homosexuality is the great solvent of Christian faith. The Golden Rule, and the knowledge that no one chooses their sexuality, makes it impossible to continue to discriminate against gay people.
Really enjoyed this convo. Keep sharing your stories. Fellow KC area dweller. Hope to meet both of you in person some day to say thank you
in the late 80s, I watched my brother and their friends ( The older teenagers) burn a bunch of cassettes, l remember seeing Boston and Air Supply; l might burn those myself but not because of Satanic Panic
My church had one of these music-burning events. As soon as I heard it was going to happen, I put all my Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Black Sabbath tapes in a box and hid it in a trunk in the back of my closet. Those jerks weren’t taking my music - especially not the good stuff!
@@suzetteemberton4368 Now those are worth saving from the flames🤘
@@suzetteemberton4368You ain't silly!
Recently my Pentecostal mother died (in NZ). 3 of her kids are basically atheist (weren’t raised it as she converted a bit later on in life from Catholicism). Regarding the funeral it was an interesting exercise blending what we wanted and what our father and the pastors wanted. But in the end we reached a nice middle ground. We were respectful of them (no crudeness in the eulogy) and they were ok. Some pastors are ok, we were a bit worried it was going to go off the wall.
(This was in New Zealand)
G'day from across the Tasman sea.
Timmy is the truth.... of course Seth is God sent 😂🎉... love you both brothers
Thank you! ❤
I can’t get enough atheist bible trivia! Now my husband knows what a bible nerd I was
Another round! The first one was great.. nice surprise here 🎉🎉
Christianity is kind of weird, now that's an understatement
It is kind of amazing how eager people are to judge instead of learn. When I was a kid I found religions stupid, but didn't really think much of believers - it never was a big thing - but when I realized how f'd up religions can be, I was amazed and wanted to know why they believe what they believe? Well, maybe I'm just too analytic minded, but even so it's still really hard to understand what can be achieved calling people dumb or asking what's wrong with them? And it doesn't matter is one a believer or not, we all seem to do it. Me included. I just try to keep my mouth shut until those f'ers start and won't stop and I'm in a mood for it. Sad, maybe, but sort of venting out the toxic?
When the lady died in the wheelchair, I couldn't stop laughing😅. I did not expect that to come home from Timmy's mouth..😅!
And then saying Jesus is not the only way to get to heaven 😅😅
12:53 I remember doing a car bash lol
i dont know is a sub set of no
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Well to be honest, what’s the difference between poor people giving their money to a drug dealer or a bartender or a preacher? Stupid is as stupid does.
At least a bar tender and drug dealer give you something tangable for ya money.
@@chrispbacon3042 good point...
It feels like you are assuming all poor people waste money on drugs and/or alcohol. Very judgy judgy. Some of us are just trying to get by.
Sounds like the problem is these mega churches, heck any church potentially that is NAR/word of faith/pentecostal/hyper charismatic...if Timmy grew up on and preached in these environments then im not sure we should say Timmy has deconstructed...he was already there anyways
People worship The Bishop Daddy Cunningham!!
The whole world know Joel Osteen lol
You have lost your faith , and this makes me very sad for you.
You don't have to feel sad for him - he's found the light!
Now be honest, are you sad for him or are you sad for yourself because you are too scared to allow yourself to look at the evidence and come to the same conclusion as Timmy and Seth?
Definition of faith (religious): Believing in something to be true in the absence of evidence!
33:54 Absolute gold. Thank you both for all you do.
Sounds like Timmy church went poof 💨