Does everyone NEED nerdy theology? - KingdomCraft
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- Опубліковано 9 бер 2024
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Next Lutheran town on KingdomCraft needs to be named 'Schnitzelberg'
Hirschenwaldenbittlebergstaat
Nah, 'Bratsburg' is better
Hahaha - warm regards to all theology nerds from the city of BONN in Germany 🇩🇪💐😊 I've been a follower of Redeemed Zoomer's contributions for about a year now. Love your channel ❤
@@hans-georg6091 Guten Tag aus Amerika! Dein Stadion ist auch Toll und dein Essen sind besser! Viel Glück nach Köln und Gott segne!
How about Käseburg (cheeseburg) that way the natives can be called Käseburgers
Reformed Baptist here. I’ve found that the more the nerdy theology gets, the more the personal relationship and awe of Christ grows. Especially considering the theology of the Incarnation of Christ
I agree
If you stare at incarnational dogma long enough, it stops making sense.
@@Catholic-Perennialist same logic applys to liberally everything
@@LifesanL4976 Like arithmetic?
Amen brother!!
Nerdy theology now, Nerdy theology tomorrow, Nerdy theology forever
realest. ☝
So trve
Nerdy theology is forever
Can intelligence win a war?
I love how the one thing we can all agree on, whether we're Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox, is that nerdy theology is awesome.
This is a good discussion for the sake of “blind faith”. How blind should we be? How blind CAN you be, while being saved?
The vast majority of Christians who've ever lived were at least relatively ignorant about theology. The printing press wasn't invented until the 15th century and papermaking didn't reach Europe before what we call the High Middle Ages. Even after this point, the vast majority of literate Christians studied just the Bible or basic instructional texts. Before this, of course, religion was basically two things: publicly sitting through Mass and privately cultivating personal righteousness.
Heck, it could be said that your average Christian was not even Nicene. More like the elites over them had memorized such creeds, and they respected the general authority of those elites. If we go down the religious intellectualism rabbit hole and take it to its logical conclusion, then it appears that only a few learned scribes, most likely from wealthy families, have been saved before modern times. The masses were condemned to hell by the fact of being born peasants. To which I say, what a laughably ineffectual Gospel this would've been. Thank goodness that's not the way it actually is.
Its more a matter of diligence and access to the word I believe. We are to delight and meditate in His word but if we are incapable of obtaining it for study or are unable to read it should we obtain it, then what good is our diligence or access. American christians have no excuse for thier biblical illiteracy, just as they have no excuse for thier general illiteracy. So I believe they will be judged according to thier complete lack of diligence to the word despite having unmatched access. Meanwhile I believe many from older periods may have an easier time at judgement for trying thier best to prioritize God despite thier ignorance due to lack of access.
@@eugenesteinbeck9469I know we can’t say people went to hell because the printing press wasn’t invented but wow, think about how much it really did for so many souls. (To clarify only Jesus saves ofc)
@@eugenesteinbeck9469 On the other hand, the vast majority of people who have ever lived weren't Christian and didn't grow up in a Christian culture.
This kind of why I find the Calvinist doctrine of predestination to be essential in interpreting Christian theology. If we accept that faith in Christ is a necessary precondition to salvation, we have to acknowledge the fact that most people throughout history would fail to meet that standard by ignorance alone.
@@CanesGunners all things have good and bad
Simple faith is just as necessary as nerdy theology for the church. My temperament is much more towards nerdy theology, but both are absolutely necessary
Instead of an "either or" this is a "both and" situation. Both seeking truth and having a personal relationship is necessary. The tension comes between those who value truth and those who value harmony most. Those valuing harmony are more willing to compromise truth, and those who value truth can never accept this state. Until truth is most important, there can be no harmony. This is a major challenge both within Christianity and the secular world.
I always thought “my truth, your truth” was a pagan thing.
Yep. Have you read "The Thrill of Orthdoxy" (Orthodoxy in a sense of correct belief, not the Eastern Church) by Trevin Wax? It says this same thing almost word-for-word
There’s a difference between “nerdy theology” and understanding the who, what, why, and how of Christianity. Most people today say they’re Christian but have no concept of the basic mechanics behind the covenant God has made with us.
I grew up in a nondenominational evangelical church and you are spot-on about the link between pietism and theological liberalism. For me, learning about theology and learning how to talk about theology was akin to learning how to prioritize going to the gym and dieting for the first time. You activate certain brain muscles that you didn't even know you had.
bruhhh perfect analogy that's such a good way to put it
I love this series, a relaxing minecraft building session while talking about christian theology is like combining my 2 favorite things, minecraft and theology
6:14 Growing up me and my brothers wrestled and fought and thats how we grew stronger, nothing wrong with competitive debate and discourse. As you said, Iron Sharpens Iron.
I finally joined a mainline Presbyterian Church. Now my church buddies are all Pauls, Margarets, Georges, and Sandras.
Based!! Wanna join the Reconquista discord to meet young mainliners?
You mean you're meeting Redeemed Boomers?
Oh my 😂
@@redeemedzoomer6053 sure
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I joined both of your servers, but I'm just wondering if the KingdomCraft minecraft server is accessible to the public or if it's still whitelisted. I can't find links to it anywhere.
As a now Catholic who grew up Southern Baptist (imagine that lol) watching your videos got me more interested in Theology and the history of the church and has had a more positive impact on my faith: Thank you for that! We need Theology because so many people believe these days without actually knowing what they believe, which makes us all guillible.
Zoomer won't be happy to hear you became Catholic because of him lmao
@@KenoReplay. Isn't that like the common meme? lol
@@KenoReplay. I became Catholic before I found Zoomer, but yes he encouraged me to research more theology and as a result it strengthened my faith in the chruch, so in a sense yes lol
Excellent video. Just went to my first mainline Presbyterian church today, I was shocked and pleased that the sermon was a sound gospel preaching one
You Know it's a good Sunday when zoomer posts, Great Video ✝
My Lutheran denomination is Pietist, but we still have people that study theology and it is still considered important. most people in the church aren't really into it though.
It kinda reminds me of all those christians videos saying that in Christianity you don't have to follow a bunch of rules or that Christianity ain't a religion its a relationship
Hey RZ, I just wanna thank you for these videos man. I recently attended a Lutheran Church after growing up in the heretical Oneness Pentecostal church and I learned so much from these videos. God Bless
Most people don't. Some people do. But without the nerdy theology, people wouldn't have the Councils and the maintenance of apostolic tradition that pietsm presupposes. Christianity would've been buried under a million gnostic cults and heresies. (Not that I think that would've actually happened, because the Truth can't be buried.)
I was recently reading in 2cnd Thessalonians, and while it does sound more of what you describe as Pietist, I think it means there is an upper limit to how "nerdy" the theology should get. Soteriology is important. A lot of higher theology is because it informs our view of God and how we should generally act. But there's a line which shouldn't be crossed, even if I'm not entirely sure where it is.
I never knew there was a word to describe this! Thank you for putting vocabulary to some concerns I have. Always a fascinating listen
I would argue that the bare minimum theological knowledge you need should at least be enough do defend what you believe in relatively well. Many leave the church or turn to liberalism simply because they don’t know what they believe in and are easily swayed.
If someone knows at least what it is in his/her confession of faith, that would be a great deal.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 Well often modern evangelical churches don't even have confessions so that is a problem in and of itself.
@@ihiohoh2708 agreed. Knowing your confession of faith is extremely important and modern churches tend to not hold to confessions as much.
Wow..I’m genuinely glad you made this video. I definitely needed to hear it!
Pray for me, a Baptist, who has hope that my denom will grow in appreciation of theology and tradition. Its quite a blond spot for us
Poliosis?
There are many independent fundamentalist Baptist and SBC churches that have solid theology and a desire for a deep understanding of the Lord.
@@g.williams2047 sure. And many who don't
@@g.williams2047 😂
@@friendlyolbum Yes, which is a huge problem. There are many people working to root out those evil "churches" and turn them to good theology again.
Does anyone else just instinctively leave a positive comment before even finishing watching the video.
Not me because sometimes it makes you look stupid
As a proud citizen of Schnitzelburg, Bavaria, I take strong offense!
Maybe I'm stupid but I don't think I even see the tension between a personal relationship and nerdy theology. The way I see it, neglecting your theological study is the same as neglecting your personal relationship with the Lord and vice versa.
COVENANTIA!!
I've learned so much from watching your videos. Thank you for broadening my horizons!
It's very telling that the nerds could not cohere long term, but the pietists could.
I can appreciate this channel for what it is: a dive into the topic of Christian theology, especially from a Protestant perspective. I find your videos entertaining and informing even if some of my comments might seem to suggest otherwise.
Good video, you bring up a interesting topic esspecially for young chrisians. its so easy to fall into the 'me and my bible' side of christianity often times its a cope to try and avoid asking the serious questions that might make you doubt what you believe. But I believe God meant for us to ask questions, discuss, debate, and try seeking the answers. We see Jesus answering peoples questions all the time in the NT. I Believe having sound theology and having a relationship with God are inceperable. and having one without the other can be troublesome for a christian.
Nerdy theology isn't bad but our primary goal should be relationship with Jesus
It's important to point out that widespread literacy is a very recent thing. The majority of people who lived in the past were tradespeople and the only education they received was the essentials of their particular line of work. They didn't have the ability to understand complex theology. It's good that most people are literate today and we get to be nerdy about theology but if you consider theology to be of major importance then that means that most people in history were at a spiritual disadvantage compared to the intellectual elites of the time.
Hey Zoomer
I think your video the other day summed it up really well. Jesus died for your sins, but who is Jesus? What are sins? Why did Jesus have to die? These are all deeply theological questions despite seeming very basic.
Love and prayers from Boston,
-GWB
I think i am gonna like this series. Thank you king❤
Pietism is the best default. Not everyone needs theology, since only 14% of the population is mentally wired for both abstract, logical thought, and that's a reality you'll have to just accept as you get older. In Job, it's clear God desires a personal relationship with us, and Jesus instructed us how to pray to God Almighty and build a personal relationship with Him in private, so I completely understand why public theological debates between denominations appear to discourage unity among the body of Christ to bystanders.
"Strain at a gnat but swallow a camel" means theologians (context of Pharisees) often worry or think too much about something that is not important, often forgetting about something that is much more important with God's Word.
I agree completely! Very well said. The reason why faith is enough is because everyone is capable of having faith. Not everyone is capable of deep thought, which is why although it’s important, it’s not of the most importance.
Do presbyterian churches have an evening service like some Dutch reformed churches? As my own URCNA church ?
Some seconds in already know it’s a banger 0:29
As a non-clergy insider, my observation is that pietism currently reigns for 2 reasons: emotional experiences are an easy way to attract new church members, and the clergy is DOMINATED by feeling personality types. And that includes male clergy.
Great video as always.
Are you ever planning to build the Vatican in your server?
I think the only real danger of being super nerdy theologically is coming off as a know-it-all self-righteous idiot who berates people with theological terms without love or grace. But that's more a matter of having humility, patience, and to be graceful. I think new Christians or younger believers should focus more on their personal relationship with God and having a community, but when you've matured spiritually, you should want to dig deeper. If you just stay in the shallow end and never dig deeper, you're more likely to deconstruct.
I agree with you here, if your personal devotion and prayer life are weak, you need to build that up. But don't abandon the more nerdy theology. That's why I like having bible studies along with Sunday sermons.
Also that Beatles joke is like people who wear Nirvana shirts but don't listen to any of their songs XD
Sir, can I talk with you about a personal relationship with Christian abstractions?
Love the take, I agree woth a great deal of it, how do I get on your server?
Yay! Another video!
Seems like there needs to be a nerdy Star Wars stream with Sub Umbra and the Other Paul.
Hello Brother, would you please recommend me any book about the history of christianity which includes denominational divisions and councils that occured. Thank you.
God bless.
Could you make a video breaking down the proceedings in your church. Church traditions are foreign to me and also does your church have female leaders/teachers?
Why isn’t there a town in KingdomCraft called “Schnitzelberg?”
Pietism had a great impact on Lutheranism in the Midwest. A lot of the more conservative elements of the ELCA have a great influence from pietism, but that’s one element.
Can you do a video on Mormonism?
One of the easier faiths to debunk, yet in the perspective of a Mormon, impossible to refute. Interesting to see what they say when you do attack them. They try to make it seem like you agree and whatever you use to refute them they act like they agree with it but have different meanings. Can be an annoying conversation sometimes hahah
Aren't Mormons racist?
@@disreceded Up until recently, very.
@@CanesGunners Native Americans genetically are not Jews or Middle Easterners. They are a mixture of Ancient East Asians and Ancient North Eurasians. There I debunked Mormonism.
@@fernandoperez8587 Joseph Smith was called a prophet dum dum dum dum dum Martin Harris dum dum dum dum dum.
Once I stopped being obsessed on having the right theology, I noticed I became a little happier in life and felt better. Turns out it’s just not as important as living the best and correct way which pretty much leads to ‘love thy neighbor’ anyway.
Theology is the path to misery and division.
That’s all well and good until having the correct theology kinda matters…
@@TitusCastiglione1503 Exactly. Theology determines how you look at God and your entire world view. Predestination theology is good, but not most important. I think it is much more important to focus on the correct view of the sacraments by studying Scripture and the early church. How you view the gospel and law. If one can truly have assurance of salvation.
@@ihiohoh2708 If theology leads you to hate your brother, it will not save you.
@@Catholic-Perennialist That's theology, and that's exactly why theology matters. When you have people like the IFB that condemn everyone to Hell unless you agree with them in every single point then I'd say theology matters. Again, theology determines your world view. So it's important people don't have bad theology...
What's the song in the outro?
To the point about how Bible studies weren’t a thing until Lutheranism, it’s worth noting that the Bible was usually only printed in Latin until Lutheran translated it
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I agree with most of your criticism of pietism, but I would like to push back on your takeaway. One of the main reasons that pietism sprang up was an overfocus on theology to the exclusion of the more subjective/heartfelt/spiritual sides of Christianity, so I would think that to address that legitimate concern the main takeaway would not be to merely refocus on theology, but to strive to incorporate good theology with subjective experience of it in community. I'm really glad to hear about the deep dives (sad they broke up though), since its very true that in a community that deeply cares about God, arguments about him can be very good and a sign of that care and it can be easy to miss that.
I guess what I'm positing is that Pietism is right to emphasize our need for the emotional side of Christianity, but they are wrong for rejecting the intellectual side in their attempts to cater to it. The church as the body of Christ needs both expressed more, not one or the other. I was reading 2 Corinthians recently and was appreciating 5:13, and it kind of puts this in perspective --> 2 Cor 5:13 "For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you."
Thanks for your videos and your pursuit of the Lord, I'm really grateful for them. Its always refreshing to see fellow Gen-Zers who care about God and his church. May God bless you and all you do.
1.Prayer and fasting
2.Reading Scripture
3.Receiving the Lord's Supper
4. Help your family and neighbor
5.THEN Theology
The Holy Spirit will grant wisdom to all believers. Once Christ is in our lives we will have a thirst for scriptural knowledge and growth.
Brother Zoomer, I love your videos, and I enjoy your content a lot. But the music…Brother, as a musician, the background you choose is too corny 😭🤣🤣
Much love, keep up the good work❤️🔥💯✝️
I think this is a problem of extremes more than anything. If a person pursues nerdy theology all day but is never involved in any "practical Christianity" like spreading the gospel, discipling, etc, then that's problematic. If someone is deeply involved in practical Christianity, but neglects a good understanding of the scriptures and theology, their actions can become easily misguided and their way of thinking progressive. I don't think it's often very benficial to most people for a pastor to give a sermon on some very abstract form of theology because it's not very practical. We need balance.
One should have a good understanding of theology before any type of work. Also all Christians are called for different tasks. Some Christians are not gifted with good communicative abilities for example.
Thoughts on western Christian mysticism?
We don’t need it anymore, we already have your Twitter.
again with another banger.
I’m also in the RUF for my campus it’s been great.
I got involved with International Church of Christ college ministry; it did not end well. I believe their a cult.
I liked you point about the Bible Study and theological Liberalism emerging from Pietism. Numerous Liberal theologians were pietists. However the rational theology versus lived out theology is a debate that goes much farther back than Pietism. The whole Palamas controversy initially did not concern energies and essences but rather how to approach knowledge of God whether through the lived out life of ascetism or scholastic pursuit. There are other earlier examples as well, I would just be careful grounding the struggle between scholasticism and mystical/lived out experiences solely into pietism.
As a Catholic, I don't think it's quite accurate to say that Catholic laity were actively discouraged from studying the Bible. It's important to remember that for most of Catholic history, there was no printing, meaning that for laity to regularly read and study the Bible would be extremely impractical if not outright impossible.
Still, we didn't have a culture of doing Bible studies, which was his point overall. That Bible studies came from pietism
Before watching the video, I'm going to say "in theory, no; but in practice, yes" based on the results of the less "nerdy" denominations. There's a reason all atheist anti-Christian memes are unknowingly directed at evangelicals and the like.
I'm reminded of a joke you did about a Christian school where the history *and* science class were both "Gawd made ev'rythin' in seven lit'ral days!"
..12:25 and 12:50......pure gold!🥇
I remember how you defended sola scriptura but do you think that having higher authority like pope is wrong?
What are you studying redeemed zoomer ?
I know you're not his biggest fan, RZ, but it is worth mentioning that John MacArthur has been trying to warn the church about this Pietist, seeker-friendly, milk-toast version of Christianity for many years now. I personally don't care if people call theology "nerdy" or "divisive"; as you said, "you can't really be something if you don't even know what it is."
If I want to get into theology with the goal of being an expect one day what should I read first?
The Bible lol
@@pingusgus I was gonna say that
Mark Luke Matthew or John
@@pingusgus🫤 I don’t wanna be rude but let’s use some common sense. I’m talking about which theologians’ works should I study. I read the bible…
Start learning the basics of all the big religions the. study christian apologetics. Also study atheism.
How are you going to love God without knowing who he is?
This is a brilliant satire
You should tour Ballygowan at some point soon
Marge, george and susan sound like some pretty cool people no cap
So wait… the Christian college group you were a part of was so concerned about your subgroup having theological arguments that they had a theological argument with you that was so bad they kicked y’all out?
RZ is liking all the Latin comments so…
Iesus servat!
Jesus said to keep his commandments if u love him. He didn't say if you love me study the theology.
I am a Baptist, but both adopt the good forms of pietism and the importance of studying theology.✝
Don't dig straight down! Its like rule number one!
What I don't like about getting nerdy is that people can get too invested into minutiae, which doesn't actually matter.
Man I wish I could play and talk to people alike! Just can't really afford the high price tag java is at. (In my currency it's worth 150 bucks)
Somewhat funny that you are roasting Pietism while building a house that looks vaguely like a half-timbered German style...
Saying you shouldn't focus on theology and just on Christ has the same logic as being anti-metaphysical. Being naturalist IS a kind of metaphysics, no matter how much you want to be outside it. Same with being "anti-theology"
12:27
I wish you lived near me and we could nerd out together😅
0:45 is it a problem on the video or is my graphics card being fried?
Dont see anything weird there
@@upside_you_mop now it seems to be fixed. Probably it didn't finish processing idk
You should discuss martinism and Christian mistasum
Amen❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉😊😊😊
Would I be a (that word that I can’t spell) because I stress a balance. I think if either is being neglected that’s a problem but the overall focus should be on the Gospel of Jesus. At least from a church meeting standpoint. I love theology but I don’t think that it should be a Sunday sermon. Not the deeper more specific stuff. Sometimes I feel that the Church as whole could do better if we focused more on evangelizing and reaching the lost over fighting over theology. Still want to say I’m not against theology but I believe there is health in a balance.
Looking at unenchanted diamond gear makes me sad :(
6:18 You're technically not wrong, but it feels like you're saying "I admit, I cheated. But so did you, right?" Still, you are TECHNICALLY correct
The short answer is you need both. You need nerdy theology to learn who God so then you can begin to understand God on a personal level through prayer and relationship development through the word of God
The critique is of those who sit atop a castle of interlocking abstractions whose faith will disintegrate the very moment any of the foundational propositions can be falsified.
Christianity must be experiential if it is to be durable.
Michael Horton once said that the Pietists had handed over their hearts to Jesus and their brains to Immanuel Kant.
Dare I ask which part of the schism had more guys or girls?
my problem with churches now its no deep theological discussions man I cant believed that i missed that era
People who think "theology bad" are the kind of people who would have stayed Roman laity during the Reformation
Huh, my experience with 'theology bad' people are that they're normally stupid and lukewarm
But you're making them out to be intellectually strong and faithful
@@KenoReplay. if you think refusing to engage in critical thought and allowing self-described "intellectuals" continue to impose a status quo that exploits you for everything you have is "intellectually strong and faithful," there is something seriously wrong with you.
Yes.
I am autistic so your videos are great for me . But when I talk to my friends and Aquitances about theology they look at me like I am an alien .