Hammer Black Widow | Which is BEST?
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2024
- With the Black Widow 3.0 coming out, I wanted to get on the lanes and see how the latest compares to the greatest! So I got my trusty Black Widow 2.0 Hybrid and original Black Widow 2.0 and tested them against each other to see the differences!
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Just shot my 2nd 300 and first 800 with 2.0 solid. Can't wait for 3.0.
The thing with the Gas Mask core for me over the years, is that it responds to different hand positions EXTREMELY well. More than most other balls I've thrown. You just have so much control over the reaction in my experience. The 3.0 looks amazing I just pre-ordered it to compliment my 2.0 hybrid.
Awesome! Enjoy!
Awesome video BrunsNick. I saw the same things out of the 3 balls as you did. Glad you did a video about this!
Great video. I actually still bring my OG Black Widow to league. Even after all these years, it still moves on the backend. I can always count on it to get me out of a bind.
I'm new to bowling. I'm thinking about getting a black widow 2.0 or 3.0. It wouldn't be my only ball. However, how long do bowling balls last? I wouldn't want to spend that kind of money to replace it every year. Black Widow different from just the Hammer?
@@markkromer1238. If well kept (cleaning, keeping out of extreme cold/hot, etc.), they can last for years. I still use my OG BW which was released in 2006. In my experience, Hammer balls are extremely durable.
I think i have the original black widow as well or the first pearl they made not sure but its one of the first 1-2 releases.. i haven't bowled in years but its still in my back and it still hooks and strikes.. i threw my first 300 game with that ball 13yrs ago so im a hammer fan.. also loved the roto grip original defiant wish they would bring some of these older ball releases back instead of making new ones every month..
Duddddde I wish I still had my OG widow, but after coming back to bowling after a 10 year hiatus, I picked up the 2.0 solid and it brought me right back to the glory days of that OG hahaha, much love!
Awesome video as usual Nick, I don’t believe i’ll pull the trigger on the 3.0, (though i reeeeeally want to.) as i have an extreme envy in my bag that basically does just this and it’s worked for me but both 2.0s are great for me and i love em, I’ll definitely be showing this video to a buddy of mine who’s thinking about replacing his Ghost for the 3.0!
My friend uses the 2.0 hybrid and where my ball usually overhooks his hybrid goes so far and always finds the pocket to the point i felt its like a cheat code😂
Because it is a cheat code. 😎
pink widow urethane is also so underrated and fits with this line perfectly. Purple stole away its thunder :(
I’ve been waiting for this one! First ball I bought for adult leagues back in the day was the BW Bite. I loved that ball, it became an extension of my arm.
Now I use BW2.0, Ghost Pearl, and the overseas Savage. Widows are just built different.
Great freaking video..as a newish bowler, you just lined up Mt bag for me! Thank you sir!!
Mine is in! Can't wait to pick it up and throw it down the lane!
3:50 "One of the coolest logos in the world".
The brothers not lying. I kept a black widow as a pet because she was gorgeous! When the Gods made that spider they broke the mold because they knew it wouldn't get any better!
I can't wait to try this ball out. My first ball a was a 2.0
I vote for a Brunswick pour of the pink reactive with hk22 to be next in the widow line
Thx for the video .👍
Did this same test today lol...I have all current widows + 1 overseas ver. all different layouts all move the same. As for a next Widow 🤔 I'm gonna say 3.0 "phantom" pearl (gunmetal) 🤯
brunswick needs to open up a facility in the lowcountry of SC! I need this job!!! Great video as always sir!
What’s this job?
Anything bowling related!
They need a place like this in every state
You can’t pick a favorite! They’re all awesome!
Good answer! 😁
Great comparison between the 2.0, 2.0H & 3.0.
Great video. Best ball on the market even tho I don’t own one yet
Thank you for the comparison! Just wish you would drill a new 2.0 for the vid to get a true read.
For me, the Black Widow Pink Urethane is the best one out of the Black Widow line. The 3.0 looks like a great benchmark ball.
Unless you're super speed dominant I'd bet 3.0 would be too much ball for a benchmark. I think about balls like iq Tour solid, Phaze II, and Envy Tour Solid as benchmark balls.
@@jacobmccain8082I’m curious, what does benchmark ball mean? I recently got a phase 2 and it’s a super strong ball for me even on fresh oil during league I’m standing at the left gutter and it still hooks the whole lane. It is drilled pin up and I’m a right handed traditional bowler with a 440 rev rate.
@@SeaJacksonbenchmark ball is normally solid symmetrical ball that’s very versatile and helps you identify how the lanes are playing and if you need to ball up or ball down
Love my widow! New subscriber
Welcome aboard!
It’s hammer time!!! Do do do. I love the ghost!!! I love ur shirt game too. Always matching
been using hammer since mid 80s. Loved the Black Widow Pearl from the mid 2000s and l wish they remade the old Hammer Nail for really dry lanes that ball was one of my favs and a great summer tourney ball when the heat dried out the lanes
Nail smoke and fire is what I think it was called was a ball league ball YEARS ago and I was shocked at how ignorant the ball was on the backend even on fresh
2.0 solid is awesome! Won a $350 strike pot with mine. Looking forward to the 3.0.
Great comparison! I’ve kicked around trying out that 2.0 but never pulled the trigger. Might have to. I love the reaction of the 2.0. Not crazy jumpy off the spot but trustworthy if the friction is there.
Hope this year brings us lots more great vids like this one Nick!
Pull the trigger! 🙌🏻 2.0 is a GOAT type ball.
My Widow of choice is the Pink Urethane! Love that ball
As far as whats next for the Black Widow line, I would love to see a stateside version of the Black Widow Domination with the ultra aggressive cover. Envy Solid CFI is one of my favorite covers, putting that on a Gas Mask Core would be dangerous
Next year it will be the nu blue black widow
That could be cool. Never know!
6:40 just made me want the 3.0 to go with my OG Black Widow that I still carry!
Thanks!
Thank you very much! 🫶🏻
struggling with my 2.0 hybrid 😐 but the rare games I can find it, boy oh boy!
Nick is the MANNNNNNNNN 👏🏾🔥🤙🏾
Love the 2.0 bowled 2 848s and a 858 with a pocket 7 10
Great video I use a 2.0 and have never been disappointed. I think for me the 3.0 is too aggressive and I may try the hybrid. I did notice you using an interchangeable thumb what kind do you use and do you have multiple ones for different conditions?
I use Ultimate. Just have the one inner and one backup just in case.
i love my 2.0 solid and hybird. Have shot 2 1100 for 4 games and have my high 800 with the 2.0
I love my Ghost when the lanes are breaking down around game 3 in the league, we bowl 4 member teams.
Gas mask core is one of the most versatile strong asymmetrical cores. I don't get good ball roll out of other strong asymmetricas but the black widows have always rolled well for me.
Got my 3.0 and love it, but now where do I get that shirt? I must have one!
It’s actually just my Brunswick shirt I wear often in videos with a Hammer patch. It’s a Nike shirt though but it’s quite a few years old.
The next Widow has to be the Widow Black Pearl as long as it doesn't infringe on the Movie Pirates of the Caribbean The Black Pearl.
Yes just wanted to see dual angle drilling layout on the the Hammer Widow 3.0
I don’t understand your question.
A question was can you do a dual angle layout on hammer 3.0 Widow
I did do a dual angle layout on the Widow 3.0. The layout is 60x5x20 in the video.
Ty
I really want a hk22 pearl. Love my 2.0 hybrid just need one a little cleaner for later in the block
I think the color should be the hammer orange with a touch of black
Track Paragon Pearl is an HK22 Pearl ball. And a great one at that
This brings up a question.. with the HK22 additive being on 2 widows now, is Hammer discontinuing the use of CFI in their releases?
HK22 is a base resin, so CFI still can and is being used.
Hi Nick, what are your stats?
Helps to know if your PAP, Ball speed and Rotation are similar or completely different when making a decision.
Widows have never let me down.
They’re in every SPECTO video review I put out there. My specs change different parts of the lane. PAP is 4.5x0.5 up.
My three favorites was the Black Widow Sting, The original black widow Pearl, and the Pink Black Widow
Did not like my widow 2.0 hybrid at first. Didn’t give up on it and now that it’s broken in it is an absolute banger
@brunsnick I have the hybrid 2.0 and a Nu Blue. Which would you start out with for a house shot league play?
If they’re really wet dry to start, then NU Blue probably!
Just found you and subscribed. Are the cores the same on the 2.0 and 3.0? Thanks
Yes. The same. 👍🏻
As for the next Widow...Aggression coverstock has been around for a hot minute. I'm thinking maybe a black/blue or black/purple BW Pearl with a new coverstock + Hk22!
What I would like to see next is a black widow pearl with hk22 and a color combination that looks like the black widow venom.
I have the 2.0 and the 2.0 hybrid. I try to leave the 2.0 solid in close to box cover. I love both of these balls. They fit my game well. Was thinking a 3.0. Maybe pin it down(since the others are pin). Thanks for posting this video
I have both the regular and the hybrid
Great video but I have a question. What is it you are twisting into the ball? (timestamp 10:32 for example)
My interchangeable thumb insert from Ultimate
I have the 2.0 hybrid with a slight pin up layout, a pink urethane with a pin down control layout...what would you recommend for the 3.0 if I added it?
Sounds good to me! Strong smooth vs skid flip vs urethane.
can that format be for no thumb 1 hand?
That is one of the best-looking Hammer shirts I have seen. Where can I get one sir?
It’s actually my Brunswick shirt with a Hammer patch over the front.
@@brunsnick They should release it as a hammer shirt very nice
Thanks for this video Brunsnick. Looking for a strong asymm for the top of my bag, and I think Black Widow is the winner. I am just trying to decide on which one to get. 2.0 Hybrid or 3.0 Solid... 1 handed lefty, 17mph off the monitor around 375 revs.
Probably the 3.0, you’re fairly speed dominant if you’re 17 at the pins.
@brunsnick thanks for the feedback. 17 on the monitor is my comfortable speed. I would rather go faster when needed, but for the SPI pieces I have, I tend to slow it down to 15.8 in order for them to shape right. The slowness actually makes my swing less consistent.
@@brunsnickwhat if you are around 15ish speed and a two handed do you think the 3.0 is better or the hybrid
@@mike2easty 15mph off your hand or on the scoring monitors?
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@@brunsnick my revs is around the mid 400 and my speed off hand is 17.6, on the monitor it’s around 15.5
If you had to pick just one to use out of the 3 which one would you recommend?
If I had to pick for myself, I’m going 2.0 Hybrid.
This is off topic, but I was wondering if Nick or anyone else would have insight if The One Remix by Ebonite with surface would resemble a Mindset or Atlas. Thanks in advance.
Possibly! It does have the most differential and intermediate diff so it might be the strongest.
@@brunsnick Thanks for your reply Nick!
I have 2 questions. I have my dad's 2.0 solid widow and it goes long which I like but doesn't really move down lane . And the layout is a strong but smooth but should I lower the grit to get it to have more motion , and my second question is I have the original black widow solid reactive single drilled so if the 2.0 solid gets too strong and I still need the asymmetric core should I have the original drilled the same way or with a pin down version of the layout for a good 1-2 punch
Sounds like you need a visit to your pro shop.
I’d recommend getting your Dad’s ball plugged and fit your hand if it hasn’t already. As for the original solid, not entirely sure what a 18 year old ball will do for you. It could be a step down, hard to say. Pin down will lower the flare and make it less aggressive, but please, seek this info from your pro shop. Show him your gear and how you’d like it set it up in your arsenal. 👍🏻
@@brunsnick thank you for the advice. I will go to my pro shop operator Dave husted and talk to him. And I will get the 2.0 plugged and redone for me . Thank you
Would the 3.0 be good for someone learning how to hook left handed? Looking to dive into getting better and not be a straight bowler.
It would be a very strong choice, not sure if you need it or not. There are other options in the midrange if you’re just learning how to hook it. Vibes would be a good starting point.
Nick, you mentioned that the BW2.0 Hybrid would be good when lanes dry up a bit. My league scores show a 30 pin increase in average between game 3 vs game 1. Is this common? The BW2.0 Hybrid has been my primary ball for most of the season up until Christmas anyway. I added a Teal Rhino Pro and have started out with that ball the last few weeks. Last week, jumped back into the BW 2.0 Hybrid for game 3 and shot my highest game ever of 253.
Sounds like you’re better when the lanes begin to have some traffic. Would you say you’re speed dominant?
I’m getting ready to surface my 2.0 hybrid and my envy tour. Any advice?
If you’re looking to put the box surface back on them, follow each step starting from 500 and work your way up. 👍🏻
@@brunsnick that was my plan thanks
Yeah, whats up with putting HK22 on everything? I have the radioactive vibe, and im not 100% if im a huge fan. That ball i did put surface on it, and its been so hard to keep it clean. The ball is also changing colors all weird. I do love my BW2.0 its won more than its share of matches for me and my team. I am excited to try the new Effect. Maybe the next VIBE could be a pearl version? Since i came back to bowling ive been using only Hammer and one brunswick twist.
The HK22 is the base resin. The additive packages make the difference in performance characteristics.
Cool video talk tech bowling ball hammer black widow bowling ball
I can see the how the 3.0 does it work in the midlane, vs 2.0 solid.
Where do you have your pro shop. Would love for you to work with me for a new ball. I currently use a BW 2.0 and an Absolute Inferno.
I don’t have a pro shop.
The ghost works best for me I love all of them. But the ghost is just different.
I run a 16lb ball right now an old ebonite Stinger 2. I am looking at a new Ball. With my current i run 17mph at the pins on the low end so looking at going to a 15lb for the new ball But with the speed i through trying to find a good one for starting to hook more. I always have curved the ball but last time i really bowled until this year was 20 years ago. Using the 16lb and doing a small hook i did good last week but i experience the fatigue part you mentioned in other vids with the 16lb to through that fast all night i run a 15lb spare when i need to your videos have been vary Informative so just seeing if you have any guidance too help. When i throw normal the pins fly like a small explosion so i do throw hard naturally i don't have to try. Any tips on best over all to get me started i do plan to buy 2 to 3 black widows just getting best starting point is what I'm after thanks again and thank you for the great vids.
You’re very high ball speed, look to the duller and stronger 3.0 to start. (Keep the surface maintained dull!)
@@brunsnick Thank you wasn't sure if the quicker back end mad more sense or not why it was hard thanks again I'll be buying one in next week or so
I know it’s kinda rare to see but would you recommend this bowl to a full roller?
Depends a lot on how they throw the ball, not necessarily how they track.
When is an Envy Tour good vs the BW 3.0 on a house shot?
It flares less so it’ll be better suited when you really need to control the lane on flatter tougher patterns. Maybe even moreso on short patterns.
Aloha Nick, does HK22 slow down lane shine?
Hard to say, but dull balls are always going to shine up as you use them. More important for those to be touched up with pads more often.
Thanx for the reply.
Niiiiiick, that brings to question. What do you do with all the balls you've been drilling? Was there every one that you didn't like/don't match up with?
Usually keep them for a year or so and then they go in the splitter.
Would the Hammer Effect fit in between The BW 3.0 and BW 2.0 or in between BW 2.0 and BW hybrid? All would be box condition.
Love your channel by the way.
For me, it’s a little cleaner and more flippy than a Black Widow 2.0 Hybrid. Hooks plenty, just cleaner more abrupt motion.
@@brunsnickthanks for the reply.
So if u were to take all 3 of those widows to a tournament what surface would you keep all 3?
I’d probably keep 3.0 at 1000-1500 by hand, 2.0 with 2000 and 2.0 Hybrid out of box shiny.
Do you think 3.0 & 2.0hybrid is a good 1.2 combo?
Yes.
Nick, what do you think of the black widow black and gold?
No idea sorry, that was pre Brunswick
Ok, thank you. Love your videos, very educational for me!
Is there a White Widow bowling ball? I think that would look nice with either a black or red logo color.
The Ghost. And yep! Black logos, looks nice.
I just got the Extreme Envy but it does not hook as hard as I want it to. Does the 3.0 hook harder than the EE?
Similar but different motions. If it’s not hooking enough, be sure to keep the surface on it dull like it came out of the box. Very important on dull balls.
Ok thank you, do you recommend 1000 or 2000?
Hard to say since I have no idea how you bowl, sorry!
@@donlinsky75881000 for the highest hook potential
If you were to shine up the 3.0 and 2.0 hybrid same surface what would the difference be?
Hybrid still cleaner and sharper. Making the surfaces the same doesn’t make the balls the same. I talk about this in the video. 👍🏻
I saw that part. I was just wondering. Would the shine on the 3.0 make it store more energy and be stronger on the back or if it would still be sooner and not as strong.
@@tommarlow8277 compared to a 3.0 out of box, shining it would increase length and decrease overall hook.
I don't know, I really like the look of that 2.0.
How would you compare the 3.0 to the Phaze II……?
Idk much about competitor products sorry. 3.0 hooks a lot and it’s asym. 👍🏻
If you had to have only one of these to take to a house shot tournament and you can only use one ball. Which one would you use?
2.0 Hybrid all day. I’ll get more use out of it longer.
@@brunsnick hell yeah!
Any comparison to the black widow legend?
Before my time with the Hammer brand.
Black widow pink with hk22
All Hammer has to do is bring the 2.0 HK22 Pearl stateside or maybe a 3.0 HK22 Pearl? 🤔 😂
what does flippy mean?
Sharp reaction on the backend.
Jungo’s Back!
Omg…you didn’t leave any 8 pins !! So disappointed 😢😂
Hk22 pink
Bring back the black widow urethane original.
I rank the Envy Tour as the #1 ball of the year!
I think the next Widow will be a pearl. Now you have the solid and hybrid
Possibly! What color should it be?
@@brunsnick black, orange and red swirl
BW Pearl 2.0 (HK-22 Pearl) at bowlersmar
@@brunsnick Silver and gold!
@brunsnick Please help! I've watched your videos so much I have them memorized. I'm getting back into bowling after 20 years. (I average 160 through 6 games throwing a 1989s Rhino) I don't hook a lot and throw fast. My heart has been set on a BW 2.0 Hybrid. My local pro saw me throw a few balls and said it wouldn't work for me because I'm so speed dominant and recommended an Envy Tour. I went to pick it up tonight, and it was cracked between the holes. This HAS to be a sign to get the 2.0 Hybrid, right? I've been out of the game for so long that I'd rather change my game to fit a ball I like, instead of a ball I don't want fit my current game. Heck I saw a 70 year old woman throw a BW 2.0H, so why can't I? I'm not joining the tour any time soon. So for a speed dominant, low rev player, do I go BW 2.0H or Envy Tour?!?
You could use either, if the BW 2.0 Hybrid skids too far you can add surface like the Envy Tour has .
@brunsnick Thanks. I actually ordered the 3.0 Saturday, so we'll see how it goes. I gotta say though, your videos are easily the best bowling videos around. Simple, straightforward and funny. Keep 'em coming. I know darn well I'm gonna be saying, "come on ball" when I try out the BW 3.0.
Are you throwing 15lb?
Yes
Blackwidow urethane like cover
My 2017-vintage BW urethane (black) is still the best ball in my bag...
I missed a World Premiere bcoz I was bowling...... what a bunch of BrunsNick😂😂😂
I’m glad I heard from you. Was about to put out an APB in WV for the Yuk!
Is it me, or do you not slide your left foot?
I do not slide.
@brunsnick very interesting. Has me thinking Nick!
@@NewVisionLCS I switched because Michigan winters make approaches here so tacky and couldn’t get comfortable. I’d waste so many shots trying to get my feet solid.
@brunsnick makes sense. I'm here in Savannah GA, where it's hot and humid during the summer. You have me thinking about trying this.
Why do you keep calling the 2.0 the "original?" It's not, it's the 2.0, literally the sequel to the original. I still have my original, Black Widow Pearl, it's a beast, but it ain't the 2.0
Original for Brunswick produced so it’s original to me. I realize it’s not the OG. 👍🏻