I feel Menelaus gets an unfair bad rep - the movie misrepresented him as a bad husband. In the original myth Aphrodite helped Paris persuade Helen to leave Menelaus, there's no indication of him being a bad or abusive husband to her.
@@tanoshehu7169 my translator didn't work tanoshehu... But I understood enough to know I got it wrong. I think you were correcting me..... You are right, I'm getting jaded......and thank you.😊 Brendan Gleeson is a brilliant actor, but Menelaus gets portrayed badly in that one for sure.
Helen got off *way* too easy if you ask me. She left with Paris willingly so all those deaths from the Spartans, Greeks and the other armies that made up the suitors are at least partially on her. Not to mention all the needless deaths on the Trojans side as well as their entire city. Helen's ploy of "let me live because I'm pretty." just doesn't sit right with me.
That’s not entirely fair. All those kings were honor bound to go to war for her because of an agreement her father made with them (at the suggestion of Odysseus, I believe) back before her marriage. Also, it’s entirely possible Aphrodite made Helen want to go with Paris, as Aphrodite is the goddess of love and promised Helen to Paris.
There is writing in Egypt that say Paris turned up with Helen and a boat full of treasure , Paris said they had eloped bt Helen's servants told the pharaoh that Paris had kidnapped Helen and the treasure belonged to her , they put Helen in a place and said her husband will come and get her after the war which will be on 10yrs and apparently Helen never aged a day when her husband came to get her ? Maybe just another " story " bt it questions things ?
I feel like he was vilified in the movie Troy and the one on Netflix. I watched the first few parts of the one on Netflix and he was painted as someone Helen wasn't happy to be with. But this one tells us that Helen actually chose to be with him from all the other aspiring suitors before marriage. I don't think the movie adaptations gets the story right
He was the best husband ever He loved Helen truly otherwise, who would travel with a 1000 ships and arrive upon Trojan Beach and wait patiently for a siege lasting 4 a decade. It couldn't be just Imperial haughtiness!! When other kings and generals were settling down 4 local femmes, as is mentioned in the story several times over, he waited for 1 confession from Helen. Tell me which man in today's world would do it? He should hve taken off Helen's head , when he caught the duo in the chamber, but he didn't. HIS MERCY SHOWED HIS MAGNANIMITY!! 😊😊😊😊 MENELAUS 100; PARIS-0
In order to win the golden apple, Aprodhite showed Helen, wife of Menelaus to paris, made him fall in love with her. After all the years of cheating, Helen was left unpunished and saved by Aprodhite. That's irony. If Aprodhite is noble and made helen only for paris, then there would be no Trojan war. May everyone lived in peace.
Helen didn’t promise herself to Paris, Aphrodite did. She also may have made Helen fall for Paris, as that’s well within her power as goddess of love and beauty. Why should Helen be the villain of the story when it all came back to Hera, Athena and Aphrodite fighting over that “gift” from Eris, and Zeus choosing Paris as the judge/scapegoat?
Also, in some versions, Helen didn't want to go though. It was either Paris who kidnapped her or Aphrodite intervening and doing the abducting for him. The story varies depending on the source you have
This could’ve literally been avoided had Aphrodite been specific. Instead she left “love of the most beautiful woman in the world” up to Paris’ interpretation.
This whole thing could have been avoided if Eris wasn't upset or if Aphrodite promised him a wife who wasn't already married though. So many lives were lost... but at least we got lore out of this?
Everyone rushing to blame Helen should remember that Aphrodite (goddess of love and beauty who canonically can force a person to fall in love with anyone/thing of her choosing) arranged for Helen and Paris to be together, and how the only reason all those people banded together against Troy because of this was because of a promise they’d made back before Helen was even married, and I think Odysseus had something to do with convincing her father to make the suitors swear to defend her marriage, Also, the whole Paris thing started because Eris was excluded from a wedding celebration and got back at everyone by making Hera, Athena and Aphrodite fight over who was the most beautiful and how Zeus (to save himself from making one of them his enemy) had them make Paris choose the winner. Paris himself, though selfish and cruel in many of his actions later on, hardly had a safe choice, as there was no one he could pick without incurring the wrath of two goddesses and whoever sided with them.
@@chuck2703 Depends if you believe she willingly (no force or Aphrodite-induced love) left with Paris or not. If she did go totally willingly, then she would have part (though not all) of the blame, as she would have known there would be literal armies raised and mass bloodshed due to the oaths her former suitors swore. If you are willing to accept that she was in some way forced by Paris or manipulated by Aphrodite, then it wouldn’t be fair to blame her at all. Given that the person making Helen/Paris a thing in the first place was Aphrodite, and I think it’s a fairly safe bet that she made sure Paris would be successful in taking Helen back to Troy with him, no matter what it would take to make Helen go along with it.
@@TundehBrownDepends on the version of the myth, I suppose. I’ve heard that Aphrodite made Helen fall for Paris, and that Paris just desired her in the first place when Aphrodite offered her to him because she was the most beautiful (mortal) woman. Even this video describes it as a kidnapping, though I feel like the word abduction makes more sense. He also robbed her and her husband at the same time, and I doubt Aphrodite made him do that.
To me all of this is to be blamed on paris mostly because of his wrong choice if he had chosen someone else instead of aprohdite this war woudnt even have happend in the first place at all
I feel Menelaus gets an unfair bad rep - the movie misrepresented him as a bad husband. In the original myth Aphrodite helped Paris persuade Helen to leave Menelaus, there's no indication of him being a bad or abusive husband to her.
After reading Costanza Casati’s Clytemnestra, it’s hard to like him!
Still better than Agamemnon though…🙃
Sometimes films are sources of misinformation.
He was also one of the most honourable of the Greeks
Modern hollywood had to make the woman the victim🙄
Thank you channel for sharing interesting and interesting historical information
Speaking of Sparta could you do a video on Leonidas
imagine going to war for 10 years just for you and your ex got back together who cheated on you
Ridley Scott stitched this guy up good n proper. Not even Netflix to blame on this one.
IL REGISTA DEL FILM TROY non è Ridley scott, è Wolfang Peterssen.😅😅😅
@@tanoshehu7169 my translator didn't work tanoshehu... But I understood enough to know I got it wrong. I think you were correcting me..... You are right, I'm getting jaded......and thank you.😊
Brendan Gleeson is a brilliant actor, but Menelaus gets portrayed badly in that one for sure.
Awesome thanks
Thanks for the video ⚔️
Helen got off *way* too easy if you ask me. She left with Paris willingly so all those deaths from the Spartans, Greeks and the other armies that made up the suitors are at least partially on her. Not to mention all the needless deaths on the Trojans side as well as their entire city. Helen's ploy of "let me live because I'm pretty." just doesn't sit right with me.
That’s not entirely fair. All those kings were honor bound to go to war for her because of an agreement her father made with them (at the suggestion of Odysseus, I believe) back before her marriage. Also, it’s entirely possible Aphrodite made Helen want to go with Paris, as Aphrodite is the goddess of love and promised Helen to Paris.
There is writing in Egypt that say Paris turned up with Helen and a boat full of treasure , Paris said they had eloped bt Helen's servants told the pharaoh that Paris had kidnapped Helen and the treasure belonged to her , they put Helen in a place and said her husband will come and get her after the war which will be on 10yrs and apparently Helen never aged a day when her husband came to get her ? Maybe just another " story " bt it questions things ?
@@derek7633 I’ve never heard of that! Interesting! I’ll need to look it up
I feel like he was vilified in the movie Troy and the one on Netflix. I watched the first few parts of the one on Netflix and he was painted as someone Helen wasn't happy to be with. But this one tells us that Helen actually chose to be with him from all the other aspiring suitors before marriage. I don't think the movie adaptations gets the story right
He was the best husband ever He loved Helen truly otherwise, who would travel with a 1000 ships and arrive upon Trojan Beach and wait patiently for a siege lasting 4 a decade. It couldn't be just Imperial haughtiness!! When other kings and generals were settling down 4 local femmes, as is mentioned in the story several times over, he waited for 1 confession from Helen. Tell me which man in today's world would do it? He should hve taken off Helen's head , when he caught the duo in the chamber, but he didn't. HIS MERCY SHOWED HIS MAGNANIMITY!! 😊😊😊😊 MENELAUS 100; PARIS-0
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This is Sparta!!!
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NO! THIS IS PATRICK!
@milutinstankovic4638 NO! This, is, SPANISH!!
@@ChineduOpara Is this the Krusty Krab?
In order to win the golden apple, Aprodhite showed Helen, wife of Menelaus to paris, made him fall in love with her.
After all the years of cheating, Helen was left unpunished and saved by Aprodhite. That's irony.
If Aprodhite is noble and made helen only for paris, then there would be no Trojan war. May everyone lived in peace.
Aprodhite promised the “most beautiful woman in the world,” not the “most beautiful SINGLE woman in the world.”
Helen didn’t promise herself to Paris, Aphrodite did. She also may have made Helen fall for Paris, as that’s well within her power as goddess of love and beauty. Why should Helen be the villain of the story when it all came back to Hera, Athena and Aphrodite fighting over that “gift” from Eris, and Zeus choosing Paris as the judge/scapegoat?
@@J1P2K Dude, that's called "Scam"
Why wasn't Hera upset at Helen for this? On the account of her being the goddess of marriage and stuff like that
Also, in some versions, Helen didn't want to go though. It was either Paris who kidnapped her or Aphrodite intervening and doing the abducting for him. The story varies depending on the source you have
This could’ve literally been avoided had Aphrodite been specific. Instead she left “love of the most beautiful woman in the world” up to Paris’ interpretation.
This whole thing could have been avoided if Eris wasn't upset or if Aphrodite promised him a wife who wasn't already married though. So many lives were lost... but at least we got lore out of this?
I thought Aphrodite purposely started the war
Messenger:"This is madness!"
Leonidas:"Madness...?[shouting] This is Sparta!"
[Kicks the messenger down the well]
wow that's awesome this history"Menelaus - The Betrayed Spartan King of the Trojan War" i love that my brother father "Sparta No Surrender".
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He was a villain in the movie 😮
This is another reason why removing the Greek Gods from the film version of Troy was a mistake.
100%. It's a good movie, but annoyingly inaccurate.
@@gustavramirez2891 it could have been much better.
@@AncestorEmpire1 Yep
They tried to make the heros look atheists may be
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In the movie of Troy Menaleus was stabbed by Hector....
Everyone rushing to blame Helen should remember that Aphrodite (goddess of love and beauty who canonically can force a person to fall in love with anyone/thing of her choosing) arranged for Helen and Paris to be together, and how the only reason all those people banded together against Troy because of this was because of a promise they’d made back before Helen was even married, and I think Odysseus had something to do with convincing her father to make the suitors swear to defend her marriage,
Also, the whole Paris thing started because Eris was excluded from a wedding celebration and got back at everyone by making Hera, Athena and Aphrodite fight over who was the most beautiful and how Zeus (to save himself from making one of them his enemy) had them make Paris choose the winner. Paris himself, though selfish and cruel in many of his actions later on, hardly had a safe choice, as there was no one he could pick without incurring the wrath of two goddesses and whoever sided with them.
I see. So what was Helen accountable for?
@@chuck2703 Depends if you believe she willingly (no force or Aphrodite-induced love) left with Paris or not. If she did go totally willingly, then she would have part (though not all) of the blame, as she would have known there would be literal armies raised and mass bloodshed due to the oaths her former suitors swore. If you are willing to accept that she was in some way forced by Paris or manipulated by Aphrodite, then it wouldn’t be fair to blame her at all. Given that the person making Helen/Paris a thing in the first place was Aphrodite, and I think it’s a fairly safe bet that she made sure Paris would be successful in taking Helen back to Troy with him, no matter what it would take to make Helen go along with it.
Aphrodite caused Paris to fall in love, not Helen, she willingly offered herself to Paris.
@@TundehBrownDepends on the version of the myth, I suppose. I’ve heard that Aphrodite made Helen fall for Paris, and that Paris just desired her in the first place when Aphrodite offered her to him because she was the most beautiful (mortal) woman.
Even this video describes it as a kidnapping, though I feel like the word abduction makes more sense. He also robbed her and her husband at the same time, and I doubt Aphrodite made him do that.
To me all of this is to be blamed on paris mostly because of his wrong choice if he had chosen someone else instead of aprohdite this war woudnt even have happend in the first place at all
_"...so that the story can happen!"_ 😅
Maybe you are right
Or if he would've just left someone else's wife alone
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What a simp
He was a simp !
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