ZvZ always seems like the arrow, to Serral's achilles. It's amazing that someone who knows the race so well, can be beaten so much when going up against it.
Jeez, pros really have the builds and timings dialed in to an impressive level. The production tab and supply/minerals were *exactly* identical through 2:45. Even after that, the choices were the same, except for timings through ~3:30.
After Gamers 8, Serral and Solar already played another series in WTL code S finals. Won't spoil anything but definetely worth warching ! Btw great content as always keep it up !!
game 2 a pretty solid example of why serral despises zvz... you let up scouting for 30s to build on a lead and suddenly youre getting overrun by a low-tech army they pulled out their hat
The problem is when you can't react to zerglings popping from your opponent on the other side of the map because they reach your base before your own zerglings can even pop, so if you already had less zerglings your still going to have less when they attack you even if you had map hacks.
Spot on analysis of ZvZ Lowko. Why bother playing it if you can mostly avoid it even by cheese? Someone else wanted to see what the pros think about the ZvZ match up and I think it's generally looked as the least fun match up from both a player and spectator PoV.
Precisely, I love a good ZvT and ZvP, but ZvZ is... Weird to watch. Playing it as well must feel strange because you shouldnt spread creep and have to be double careful with banelings.
Probably like 90%. Only Solar and Reynor can give him trouble AFAIK. Dark is formidable but his chaotic style I think is just weak against the clean and tight play that is Serral's trademark.
It would be fun to get a video explaining the pro players a bit. Serral is the best but Oliveira is the world champ? But Maru is the best terran? Would be interesting :) I know you mentioned how you like Oliveira's story also which I do not know!
I think anyone who would actually care about a video like that, watches enough videos to understand what that all means. Especially since it's explained in a lot of videos already.
tl;dr: The "world champ" refers to who won the world cup, which is not about your rating or win rate in various scenarios. Oliviera won IEM Katowicz this year which was the championship tournament. A couple of big name players who typically wipe the floor w/ Oliviera got knocked out by other players in that tournament (the Serral knockout was somewhat controversial actually, go check out videos of his play there, I forget who it was against) earlier on. Oliviera was an underdog for the whole tournament but ended up winning. Maru is the "best Terran" because his MMR is the highest of top Terrans and he has the best win rate of the top Terrans vs the various races, as well as subjective things like 'best lategame', or 'best micro', etc. Serral is considered by many the best or the GOAT because he has many world cup and other tournament wins, best annual records (like in 2018 he lost like zero maps _all year_ in all the tournaments he played), best MMR of all players over all races, most $$$ in lifetime winnings, etc.
Serral is so bad at playing against mutas, it's insane. 3 burrowed infestors with full energy can take out a whole flock of 20 mutas, with slight support. His build should have been 3 infestors + burrow (cost of 6ish mutas), then mutas himself with + 1 air weapons (cost of 7 mutas). Then he's at a 7 muta deficit, but just be patient, defend, spread creep, and advance vision. Have scouting burrowed lings on map (something he never does). Then when mutas reveal their attack direction, get infestors in place, chain fungel growth, and have your mutas attack. Easy cleanup. Zerg's always do that to him, but he never does it in response. I'd much rather have 13 mutas and 3 full energy infestors vs 20 mutas.
High voice Lowko almost killed me. I was eating while watching and laughed so hard I almost choked. I say do an entire cast with that high pitch voice.
On the point of maps, can I just say that Alcyone is built like absolute garbage? The map's edges are just so goddamn awful. Like they're absurdly misleadingly straight. Also theres literally 0 locations to wall a cannon for cannon rushing, even neo humanity was better vs terran.
afaik you build corruptors, if you realize that the opponen will have more mutas. E.g. if you build too many roaches and have less gas. Because if the opponent build 10 mutas and you can only build 8, you will loose. That's why you want to counter with the corruptor. (But I guess the muta player is in a better position, because if the corrupter player is out of position for a second, he will loose a lot of probes. And corruptors get worse, when numbers go up - because once you oneshot mutas, more corruptors don't make your fighting force that much stronger)
@@wedgeantilles8575OK, in your example: basically you lose air battle, but you still have your roaches that kill ground army and win the game. Also you could double down on roaches and just build spores. Mutas are meh against roaches. Option 3: you build infestor and viper, if lucky you get combo-wombo and just kill all opponent's mutas. Corruptor IMHO is the worst response here, so they are useless in ZvZ.
@@abyrvalg_ Well, somehow I think that Serral has a little bit more knowledge about ZvZ than you. But hey, I am probably mistaken and Corruptor is definitly the worst thing he could have done. Pity he is so inexperienced and bad, you should coach him. Why do I even bother with YT comments...
@@wedgeantilles8575 The fact Serral is Serral doesn't mean he cannot be wrong on theoretical level here. I mean, he is not god of ZvZ as it was mentioned by Lowko. I mean with Serral's level of control I wonder why he doesn't bother with a single spellcaster. You don't even need to research fungal growth anymore. It surely takes a lot of gas, it hell of more efficient than dumping all that gas into corruptors and losing the game.
@@abyrvalg_I think roach corruptor is an allin against a spire player. Infestors wouldnt be able to kill mutas especially now with their dmg nerf against someone who can split them.(5 hydras tho and those mutas would be toast, however that doesnt sound reasonable to get fot an allin, 2 hydra upgrades+a infestation den+ many hydras+infestors+roaches, thats VERY gas expensive and would 100% be scouted rapidly and be too late to be a similar allin) Roach hydra I dont got a clue about, and roach viper requires a frickin hive no way you can allin with that. So my guess is is that it was a surprise allin.
ZvZ always seems like the arrow, to Serral's achilles.
It's amazing that someone who knows the race so well, can be beaten so much when going up against it.
Those synchronized Metabolic Boost upgrades at 18:00 are guaranteed to cure anyone's OCD
True professionals.
I know right? Here Lowko is talking about not paying attention to banelings and i'm like talk about the perfectly synced upgrades lol
Love your casts Lowko! I listen to them while at work driving over the road. Starcraft for life!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Jeez, pros really have the builds and timings dialed in to an impressive level. The production tab and supply/minerals were *exactly* identical through 2:45. Even after that, the choices were the same, except for timings through ~3:30.
After Gamers 8, Serral and Solar already played another series in WTL code S finals. Won't spoil anything but definetely worth warching !
Btw great content as always keep it up !!
Bro the color switch for game 3 got me so hard
37:15 After the battle, both at 120/200 supply, 60 worker, 58 army... "Now now, perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything"
Was that a futurama reference? In the episode with the parallel universes the prof sayed something pretty similar.
@@vegetasaijan6052 Yes! My personal favorite quote to use from it.
Everyone has a plan till they get hit in the face [with a baneling]
-Lowko Tyson
haha im so dead. The voice change in game 5 had me laughing so hard. You do such a great job of casting, and entertaining man.
serral also lost against reynor 3-0 at homestory cup - one of the best series I have seen
game 2 a pretty solid example of why serral despises zvz... you let up scouting for 30s to build on a lead and suddenly youre getting overrun by a low-tech army they pulled out their hat
Sneaky sneaky serral! Real nice sly moves
Lmao "First blood" had me cackling i was thinking of that modded unreal tournament announcer from way back in the day 😅😂😂
they switched colour like every round. so hard for me :D
So good to see other players matching Serral
you sound like the squirrel in Emperors New Groove with that high pitch lol
hope seralll wins even with the banelling nerfs
Watch, they get another nerf next patch, haha
It’s Zerg vs Zerg
I predict a Zerg player will win the match, despite all the nerfs
banelings should be deleted from the game haha
The sun (Solar) vanquish the Night King (Serral). Poetic.
There are two firsts. They must fight to the death
The problem is when you can't react to zerglings popping from your opponent on the other side of the map because they reach your base before your own zerglings can even pop, so if you already had less zerglings your still going to have less when they attack you even if you had map hacks.
I'm *cackling* over "I could do the rest of my cast like this" 😂
Just want to say this new set of maps are beautiful
Button the thing! 😮
Great match
Just put Clem against him, and suddenly Serral ain't so much of a clear favorite anymore.
Now I definitely need a Lowko cast with whacky voices.
Spot on analysis of ZvZ Lowko.
Why bother playing it if you can mostly avoid it even by cheese?
Someone else wanted to see what the pros think about the ZvZ match up and I think it's generally looked as the least fun match up from both a player and spectator PoV.
Precisely, I love a good ZvT and ZvP, but ZvZ is... Weird to watch. Playing it as well must feel strange because you shouldnt spread creep and have to be double careful with banelings.
"Small differences doesn't make that much of a difference"
- Lowko 2023
He didn’t say that 😭
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Hahaha... Watching for over year or 2 and never heared that voice changes from you would love at least 1 full cast in one of those 😂😂😂
Cast more mirror matches please. HOWEVER, please alert us to color swaps when they happen.
i want a squirel cast now
LowKo eats a COUPLE of boogers for breakfast 🍳
Helium voice Lowko got me a good laugh! I wasn't expecting that🤣🤣 great cast as always
i feel that we never see Protoss vs Protoss
It’s the most imbalanced match
@@enriquegarciacota3914that also makes it fun to watch though, we love our cheese games
What is Serral's win rate against zerg?
Probably like 90%. Only Solar and Reynor can give him trouble AFAIK. Dark is formidable but his chaotic style I think is just weak against the clean and tight play that is Serral's trademark.
I love how hard Lowko tries to hype ZvZ... I only watch myself because I'm loyal though...
It would be fun to get a video explaining the pro players a bit. Serral is the best but Oliveira is the world champ? But Maru is the best terran?
Would be interesting :) I know you mentioned how you like Oliveira's story also which I do not know!
I think anyone who would actually care about a video like that, watches enough videos to understand what that all means. Especially since it's explained in a lot of videos already.
The most basic answer boils down to consistency.
Pp
tl;dr: The "world champ" refers to who won the world cup, which is not about your rating or win rate in various scenarios. Oliviera won IEM Katowicz this year which was the championship tournament. A couple of big name players who typically wipe the floor w/ Oliviera got knocked out by other players in that tournament (the Serral knockout was somewhat controversial actually, go check out videos of his play there, I forget who it was against) earlier on. Oliviera was an underdog for the whole tournament but ended up winning. Maru is the "best Terran" because his MMR is the highest of top Terrans and he has the best win rate of the top Terrans vs the various races, as well as subjective things like 'best lategame', or 'best micro', etc. Serral is considered by many the best or the GOAT because he has many world cup and other tournament wins, best annual records (like in 2018 he lost like zero maps _all year_ in all the tournaments he played), best MMR of all players over all races, most $$$ in lifetime winnings, etc.
Serral!
Why did the players change color?
The first "First Blood" was way better
Serral is so bad at playing against mutas, it's insane. 3 burrowed infestors with full energy can take out a whole flock of 20 mutas, with slight support. His build should have been 3 infestors + burrow (cost of 6ish mutas), then mutas himself with + 1 air weapons (cost of 7 mutas). Then he's at a 7 muta deficit, but just be patient, defend, spread creep, and advance vision. Have scouting burrowed lings on map (something he never does). Then when mutas reveal their attack direction, get infestors in place, chain fungel growth, and have your mutas attack. Easy cleanup. Zerg's always do that to him, but he never does it in response. I'd much rather have 13 mutas and 3 full energy infestors vs 20 mutas.
why only 20 percent Z in master tier?
Starcraft 2 Cat Yzma announcer when
This video got me through waiting for my wife in surgery. Thanks, lowko!
Lowko with a voice changer lmao, now that's a new unhinged I wasn't expecting!
I think the use of multiple voice pitches was quiet amazing and would love to hear more!
❤
High voice Lowko almost killed me. I was eating while watching and laughed so hard I almost choked.
I say do an entire cast with that high pitch voice.
chipmunk voiceover cast, try it Lowko..might be surprised with the response!
PLEASE do a helium voice cast once! :D
Lowko are you aware of how good you are at sending people to sleep? I didnt even make it to the 2nd game before I was pushing out zzzzzzzzz😂😂
thta voice changer reminds me of the overmind of SC1....
What's that voice changer name?
first watcher!
Again wtf new vid is more then 1h out and i cant get it to load yeah only this channel and only the newest vid does this
Proof that Roaches are too good a value unit when Zerg only makes Roaches in every game.
first
In "hecate" the H is silent.
Watching the CC trying to understand the StarCraft lingo and names of the players is hilarious. Poor Sarah and his zerks 😂
Spoiler alert: Zerg wins.
On the point of maps, can I just say that Alcyone is built like absolute garbage? The map's edges are just so goddamn awful. Like they're absurdly misleadingly straight. Also theres literally 0 locations to wall a cannon for cannon rushing, even neo humanity was better vs terran.
Why do you even build corruptors in ZvZ? Spellcasters and mutalisks seem like a more reliable tool. Corruptors should not be morfed into broodlords
afaik you build corruptors, if you realize that the opponen will have more mutas.
E.g. if you build too many roaches and have less gas.
Because if the opponent build 10 mutas and you can only build 8, you will loose.
That's why you want to counter with the corruptor.
(But I guess the muta player is in a better position, because if the corrupter player is out of position for a second, he will loose a lot of probes. And corruptors get worse, when numbers go up - because once you oneshot mutas, more corruptors don't make your fighting force that much stronger)
@@wedgeantilles8575OK, in your example: basically you lose air battle, but you still have your roaches that kill ground army and win the game. Also you could double down on roaches and just build spores. Mutas are meh against roaches.
Option 3: you build infestor and viper, if lucky you get combo-wombo and just kill all opponent's mutas.
Corruptor IMHO is the worst response here, so they are useless in ZvZ.
@@abyrvalg_ Well, somehow I think that Serral has a little bit more knowledge about ZvZ than you.
But hey, I am probably mistaken and Corruptor is definitly the worst thing he could have done.
Pity he is so inexperienced and bad, you should coach him.
Why do I even bother with YT comments...
@@wedgeantilles8575 The fact Serral is Serral doesn't mean he cannot be wrong on theoretical level here. I mean, he is not god of ZvZ as it was mentioned by Lowko.
I mean with Serral's level of control I wonder why he doesn't bother with a single spellcaster. You don't even need to research fungal growth anymore. It surely takes a lot of gas, it hell of more efficient than dumping all that gas into corruptors and losing the game.
@@abyrvalg_I think roach corruptor is an allin against a spire player. Infestors wouldnt be able to kill mutas especially now with their dmg nerf against someone who can split them.(5 hydras tho and those mutas would be toast, however that doesnt sound reasonable to get fot an allin, 2 hydra upgrades+a infestation den+ many hydras+infestors+roaches, thats VERY gas expensive and would 100% be scouted rapidly and be too late to be a similar allin) Roach hydra I dont got a clue about, and roach viper requires a frickin hive no way you can allin with that. So my guess is is that it was a surprise allin.
if you ever use that voice changer again im unsubscribing
@20:17 why did serral backed off after kills all solar's army??