Hotend Upgrade For Creality Ender 3 V3 and V3 Plus Printers (Micro Swiss FlowTech™)
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
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In this video we go step by step through the process of upgrading the Ender 3 V3 and V3 Plus from its stock hotend to the Micro Swiss FlowTech hotend. I've been running one of these in my K1 Max since last year and its been solid. Since then the nozzle family has expanded and I use a .8mm DiamondBack for this install.
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3 mins in and I still don't know what the advantage of the swap is supposed to be
They print cleaner, have higher flow, and tons of nice nozzle options. Also easy nozzle swaps
It’s intended to be a tutorial for the swap process. We covered a bit more in the K1 upgrade video but in summary:
Leak proof, due to the design it eliminates the chance of heatbreak nozzle leak by improper tightening. This is why you don’t even need to hot tighten. The nozzle extends from the bit zone and goes into the cold zone. The stock “unicorn nozzle” from creality attempts this as well but my experience has been very hit or miss.
Slightly higher flow. This was a very minimal bump on my testing but with the new CHT nozzles you’ll get a much bigger bump.
High quality nozzle options. Plated brass, CM2, CHT, and DiamondBack options.
There are other arguments to be made like it just being manufactured and QC’d much better but the above are likely the main reasons most would consider.
Hope that helps 😊
@@ModBotArmy you forgot to mention that you dont need to undo the set screw in the heatsink for nozzle changes in the case of the unicorn system. That and the greater variety of nozzles are the selling point over the unicorn system, leak proof plus no hot tightening also for the old system.
Think Revo, thats sort of what this is. Its cheaper, but not quite as easy to change the nozzle. Still reasonably easy, but there are easier.
The V3 nozzle is already the "Unicorn" nozzle, so it's leakproof already. Also, it's not necessary to remove the nozzle during the removal of the heater core.
only thing i see missing here is doing a PID calibration
It’s not needed. I’ve asked them before as well and was told:
“There is no need for PID Tune as the thermistor and heater we use is perfectly tuned to the printers firmware.”
Since these are made specifically for one printer/printer family using the same toolhead they don’t require it. I never did it on my K1 and from initial tests with this I’m not seeing fluctuations.
Can you? Absolutely but I’m not seeing the need like I have on general hotend swaps.
@@ModBotArmy that's really interesting to hear! as far as i know/heard, you need to do a PID calibration when you change any of the heating realted elements
Thanks for the reply!
@@stoinercraft6389 generally that is 100% the case. It would be interesting to hear more of a breakdown on how they tune their heaters for specific printers that they sell these for.
@@stoinercraft6389depends very much on the hotend used. Pid accounts for the delay between heating and reading temperature changes. So it's essentially based on two things, wattage/thermal mass relationship and distance between heater and thermistor. Since we have a cylindrical ptc heater with the sensor right next to it, there is basically no delay. The advantage is that pid tuning is less important, downside is that you have a lower max flow rate for a set temperature compared to a traditional e3d volcano parts arrangement where the nozzle is between heater and thermistor. The temperature gradient causes the filament path to have a lower temperature than the sensor has while on a volcano its the opposite. This gradient gets larger the higher you push filament flow. One extreme extreme would be the BBL x1 hotend, you measured 1mm away from the heater.
@@kilianlindlbauer8277 thanks for this detailed explanation, it clears a lot of things
Love the Flowtech System. We have them installed on a K1 Max, a K1, a CR10se, and a Neptune 4 Plus. Was about to switch the V3 and V3 Plus over. It makes nozzle swaps simpler with only one Nozzle type needed. So much simpler.
Today I learned that flowtech now has diamondbacks.
Have this installed on k1 and neptune 4 plus. Never have clogs or issues using these. Their support estimates there will be a p1/x1 within a month and a voron verso at some point too.
Ooh! I didn’t even know about the Voron one. I am very excited for the Bambu one.
Interesting upgrade! I’ve always wondered about upgrading printers to diamond for smoother prints
I'm considering buying this with the cht nozzle to go on my Neptune 4 Pro, looks really cool
I installed a flowtech on my ender 3 v3 se and it was gamechanging. I now have a flowtech with the newly released cht nozzle on the way for my k1c.
Ooh, I’m gonna order one. I am still rocking the .4 plates brass but would love additional flow on the Max.
@ModBotArmy I'm definitely gunna update on the additional flow rate comparison between stock and flowtech
Yes but why, what is the advantage?
Ended up replying in the pinned comment 😊
1:04 When you said printed I thought you meant 3D printed; I'm trippin 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Could you do a video on danger klipper please?
im not going to upgrade the k1 till i see the CFS kit 😉
@@3DATHENS-qi1tu CFS?? Carbon Fiber??
@@ModBotArmy the Creakity Filament System Kit That will fit on the k1s, k1max,enders V3 you know
@@3DATHENS-qi1tu wait they are saying it’s going to be compatible with printers other than the k2??? Do you have a link to that announcement???
@@ModBotArmy ua-cam.com/users/live_731Rokr0Bg?si=mcNOEqo50NwlAkke
1:49:53
@@ModBotArmythey said that in the chat in the livestream of the official announcement i think.
Set screw? Should not be used with this upgrade? Or...did I miss when it was tightened? Thanks for the video!
It’s not needed. Technically you can just remove it but I left it in the unscrewed state on both of mine. The two titanium screws hold everything in a place and the nozzle isn’t attached in the same way that the stock one is.
and why? what makes this hotend better?
Can this be used in a ender 5 plus?
I wonder if the toolhead and gantry will need to be changed with the CFS eventually being able to be used with Ender 3 V3 and K1 series printers. I really wish Creality would give us more about it.
Until another comment I had no idea it was even going to be compatible. If they are going to be using a cutting blade I would think it will need some revising to fit it.
@@ModBotArmy i posted the timestamp and a video link for you in another thread
@@ModBotArmy it will be interesting to see how they go about it.
Personally, I am about to replace my gantry with aftermarket because of the horrible VFA on the first generation K1's. I really wish Creality had shipped the fixes to the customers or had discounted kits to retrofit. /sigh
you didnt show retightening the grub screw on the throat
There’s no need for this. The stock setup uses it to secure the nozzle in place while FlowTech doesn’t 😊
Sigh... proprietary nozzles...
Tbf, the "standard" was kind of just pulled out of someone's behind, so I'm hoping with all of these nozzles that have been entering the scene, someone finds a best and that becomes the new standard, or at least a set of standards; kind of hard to say what a definitive best is without experimentation, and there really hasn't been much of that over the years until recently, so that's what I'm looking at it all as
@@TS_Mind_Swept I would be all for that but I doubt the driving force behind this is to find a new standard. Closest we have to that is Revo
@@weeurey I'm definitely aware that it doesn't have the highest likeliness, but it would also be nice if it did work out that way, so since all of it is just kind of new at the moment, I'm tryna remain optimistic; why get upset at a problem that doesn't even exist just because it might?
@@TS_Mind_Swept
I'm not upset at all, I'm voicing my displeasure as a customer that MS are trying to launch yet another ecosystem for a fair amount of cash that has a good chance of not existing or being outdated in a few years time. Having an opinion in what influences change mate.
@@weeurey you call it an opinion, I call it a poor view of the situation. We are not the same