Ultimate BambuLab AMS Upgrade! (Python)
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In this video we take a dive into the Python mod for BambuLab's AMS system. This upgrade uses the internals of the AMS but replaces all other hardware. This allows for things like wider spool compatibility, active heating, and the ability to use each slot as an external spool for printing with abrasive. We'll go over its details, what the assembly is like, and I'll give you my overall thoughts based on my time with it so far.
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Hey thanks for the review! I've linked to it from the project pages, I hope you don't mind.
RFID support is coming soon (with the next update), if testing goes well that is but I'm fairly confident.
@@humebeam hey!! Thanks for making such an awesome upgrade. That’s super exciting for those that print with a fair bit of Bambu lab filament. I don’t mind the linking at all 🙌.
You should make an ams lite version for the A1 fam!
@@ModBotArmy😊😊😊
for a moment i thought it was python the programming language, and thought someone decoded the ams protocol or something
same. I almost didn't click on it cause i was like...yeah i can't do that ahha
Honestly I'm kinda shocked no one has figured out a way to make it work
@@digital0785 They have ... The problem is Bambu Lab made sure to make it proprietary, by adding a digital signature to the NFC tags....
It's an unfortunate name for sure.
same lol
01:00 without further ado - shows the logo and ads _literally_ delaying on purpose
I hate that phrase. Just skip the whole phrase and get on with it!
For some reason these UA-camrs feel like they have to sound just like a cable tv tech channel. I much rather prefer the down to earth realist approach. No need for pretentious lines like this is some reality tv tech game show.
@@TheFutureLooksGrimm These guys need to make a living. Otherwise, I hope you're ready to pay for quality content out of your own pocket.
My one gripe on this design is that all spools are top loaded. The Python with elcousure is 69mm (nice) taller than a stock closed ams and 79mm shorter than an opened ams unit. This makes stacked designs much taller. I wish there was a way to make them front loaded so that the encousers can be mounted ontop one enouther and allow for a shorter overall stack.
I've already made compatible RFID antennas, and after testing I'll make them open-source
That’s awesome! Do they connect to the computer costing RFID board?
I believe automoderation is pushing little too hard, my answers are magically disapearing
everything is ready and tested
@@Kenagon if you included any links in your responses, you will need to break them in order to post the comment. the YT automod will instantaneously delete any comments that have links in them, even to other videos on YT; or at least that has been my experience.
@blakes8901 even mentioning the name of the repo getting a comment deleted
You are a machine! I was looking into this but was afraid it was way too complicated for me but man you made it seem pretty straightforward
@@UncleJessy haha I appreciate it man 😊. I feel like that’s sort of how my channel started. My attempt to translate complicated into something most can follow. It’s an awesome upgrade if you decide to do it.
A ball-end Allen wrench should work wonders on those hard to reach screws.
I have a chamber heater in my bambu x1c and a bento box and the max chamber temp is 55C-60C and my PETG Bento Box I bought from VoxelPLA, deformed after a couple ASA prints. I bought it with printed parts, so all the parts are printed from PETG from VoxelPLA. Saying all that, if you do want a heated python AMS, I would recommend printing either in ABS, ASA or a better, more heat resistant filament.
This is amazing, I will certainly be updating my AMS with this setup. Really fixes the feeding and spooling issues. Cool 👍😎
I’m so happy you’re making this video. I saw the Python upgrade on printables but I didn’t see anything on UA-cam yet so I didn’t want to jump into it. Very interesting video.
The MicroCenter in Denver is running one of these on their demo P1S, seems really worth for cardboard spools especially because the rollers on mine have been getting gunked up with cardboard dust and stop gripping them reliably
So nice to see this! I'm building one myself too. But not for the Bambu, but for the Prusa MMU3. Placing 5 next to eachother instead of 4, no electronics, just a nice decent and fancy 5-spool holder :)
I just got mine and it looks great - BUT I foolishly thought it came with dryers and it does not- they are a separate item at $80 each. Thanks for the reveiw !
Ordered it as soon as I knew it existed. Can't wait!
Does adding the external spool functionality make it compatible with tpu/flexibles?
The 3KG spools would be interesting!
I've been debating on turning one of my AMS' into a Python. Thanks for the review and pointers contained. I am ordering one now, maybe a 2nd later to convert my Hydra AMS over also.
And I guess I'll finally break down for at least 1 PolyDryer too
@@anthonymason8558 it’s a really sweet upgrade. Let me know how it goes and your thoughts once you’ve had some time with it 😊
Really like this project. Very tempting. I would love to see a one month follow up video to see if it's living up to expectations.
I've been using mine for about a week now, printing every day. I've had no issues at all. Clearing a length of filament that had snapped (brittle ABS) in one of the feeder ptfe tubes was SO easy since they are easily accessible (I haven't built the enclosure yet). The build is a little fiddly at times, but wasn't difficult, just time consuming. The project felt extremely well designed and thought out. I believe the designer is an engineer by trade if I remember correctly.
It seems that no one has solved the big issue. Making it easy to open the bottom to clear filament from the feeder. It seems harder to clear the filament because you still need to unscrew it and take it out to be able to get to the bottom of the AMS. Do you think you can ask them to design it with an easy access opening door on the bottom to make it easy to clear the bottom feeder? Thanks
Interesting project, looks like it tackles a lot of the deficiencies of the AMS
10:18 I would put the internal mechanism in after completing the bottom housing and then slotting the panels in and completing the upper part, instead of ladling it in from above. Thanks for posting this very good video!
Starting this build myself. Looking at the instructions, it doesn't look like you can fasten the side panels if the AMS is in the way.
@@snart 🤣 Seriously? Oh ,well. I wish you all the best on a successful build.
I feel like having 4 of those heaters is very inefficient and very expensive. Maybe there's another way to heat the python AMS?
Love your content, keep up the great work!
Thank you 🙏
Was hoping to see someone I trust for info test this out, thanks!
You can make your life easier on hex screws by picking up a right-angle ratcheting screwdriver and some hex bits. Should fit into those tight spaces and gives you a nice ratcheting mechanism.
I just purchased this entire kit including the enclosure, and hardware. Going to be an awesome build, and I have a LOT of cardboard spools that I can now use to print with.
Thank you for sharing this video.
The fast that the enclosure is not within the wight of the printer is making my OCD crawl under my skin.
Width?
My ocd in overdrive with your spelling.
Mate you're complaining about your OCD on the width of this part, while making a post filled with spelling errors. Queue Alanis Morissette.
Now someone needs to design a riser to set the Python unit on top of to clear the printer on both sides.
So you would need to buy the two polydryers separate at about $160+tax usd and this enclosure and hardware for another $75+tax usd for a total of $235+whatever taxes was. Hmm I've been fortunate haven't had any serious issues with my AMS so this isn't for me but I do like the dryer idea, I wonder if we could just cut some holes on the bottom of the AMS to mount one polydryers too with some feet to balance it, then make/print a modified vented version of hydra to let the heat pass through. 🤔
When he said let’s get right into this video… I really felt that part bro
So apart from the enclosure its more or less a "upgrade" from an AMS to an AMS light? Or do I miss something?
i wonder if you could buy the AMS parts as well to use on a non bambu printer, a simpler build than a ERCF or something like that
Super cool upgrade dude!! I gotta try it soon!
Ill check this out. Of the 3 X1Carbons I own with AMS's not one AMS still works and they barely have over 1000 hours printing. I have done my due diligence with maintenance and trying to repair but to no avail. Maybe this mod can fix some of the problems I am dealing with.
The first thing I notice is how much work it will be to remove a AMS first stage feeder for cleaning or repair with the enclosure in place.
Seems like they would want to print the bottom braces with lips to place the system snugly into the top. Also, I can see this company making one for the K1/K2 series.
Those lower screws were a nightmare. Overall very satisfied with the build though. It’s been working way better than the stock ams. Just need to find me an airtight box for it. Don’t want to print one
Haha yeah, I feel like most of the time I spent on the main-assembly was those damn lower screws! End result is awesome though.
I got excited for a moment thinking I could "build" an AMS for closer to $200 but it appears not as the sum of the individual parts needed (even w/o the enclosure) is more than just buying an AMS.
Tempting but filament swapping looks to be a chore. I have a lot of different filaments and frequently swap them in and out of my 3 AMS units, I think the Python would annoy me real quick.
While it may seem Overkill to have four dryers on the unit, it's worth remembering that each dryer was only really intended to dry one spool of filament at a time, and while it may be capable of more, its performance is going to suffer when it's pushed harder, especially with as big a volume as this has
You should get the ifixit toolkit that has the flexible extension.
I’m surprised your driver kit doesn’t have a flexible extension. It would have worked a treat, no Allen wrench required.
hi ,I am using the python and one dryer which on taking reading around the enclousre i will get another dryer, the python works great and as yet I have had two isues with the python that are reated to dilament drive. I have had to replace one drive motor
the other was broken filament insde the ams which was a neusence to ge out, as the removal of the python from the case is a chor. Ther is one thing that I made to help the roll center on the reel as some rolls of filament dont centre well. the thing I made is a screww on spacer for the main filament rolls i use. - It wood be a nice adition to have screw on spacerw or a bigger tapper on the screwon peices to hold the spool in place.
Did you check if you could source the parts from Bambu Labs rather than robbing an existing AMS unit?
Great video
Really been considering this after HATING the pair of AMS units I have lately. Thanks for making this video. Really curious if this will save my major overruns on print time from AMS issues.
The build is pretty involved but with the 608 bearings and gears used motion is buttery smooth compared to the stock setup. I imagine it will definitely help. While I have used a ton of cardboard spools when they get to the end and are really light I have had issues with them lifting from their slots and not feeding properly. This should completely eliminate that from happening. If I where building from scratch I think I would go without the enclosure just due to me not having moisture issues with what I print but so far I am really enjoying the finished product.
@@ModBotArmy My issue is slipping on the rollers. Even a full spool of Prusament on a plastic spool, still slips. I actually have a video going live like... now, that shows just how bad this has become. Maybe I'll stream the build to justify it, ha.
Very cool! 😎
Maybe this would fix @mandicreally ‘s problem with his AMS!
Nice LTT driver lol. So you do hafta buy the original ams box with the P1?
anyone have a hint on when we will see their next release. I have been putting off a purchase for several months.
They have been very quiet. I have heard nothing on new machines.
Since it supports bypassing most of the feeder mechanism and directly rotates the spools, can this handle flexible as well as abrasives?
For flexibles I prefer as short of a path as possible. However if you did something like 95A and up it’s very likely this would work fine for it. May take a little effort to get it routed but shouldn’t be too bad.
@@ModBotArmy could you use those bypass caps on the stock AMS?
@@DanielChaves1984 yes! Well the easy load and thumb saver aspect but I don’t know how you would route extra Bowden without drilling for the external function. Also the stock rollers don’t free spin so it wouldn’t work.
Is it possible to just buy the AMS components needed for this build instead of buying one just to remove most of the parts?
Hi. At the start of the video you made a statement that the AMS was the most reliable multimaterial system you have used. Have you tried the MMU3 from Prusa. I would like to know how they compare
Currently finishing assembly we will run first print this Wednesday on stream so hopefully I’ll have some more feedback on the next month or so.
@@ModBotArmy Thank you so much for your quick response. Love the channel. Keep it up!! 👍
My mmu3 has been the most inconsistent system I have ever used. Pretty sure it's defective. I've spent more time troubleshooting it than printing with it
hey does this work for every printer or just bambulab
Does it help with running flexible filaments through the AMS?
G'day m8......is there any rumors of python getting firmware that will unlock it for any printer to use......Now that would be Awesome....Cheers from A M8 Downunder🙃
Another great video, thanks.
I’m curious if there is anything like Bamboo’s AMS available or in development for Creality’s K1C. I’ve done a cursory search and haven’t found anything worth while.
My K1C gets delivered on Monday so I’ve been trying to find as many trick mods as possible. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for the video.
Yes! They are releasing a very similar device for the K2 and a few people have told me it will be compatible with the K series and Ender 3 v3. What I don’t know is what other upgrades are required to make it work.
They should've called it C++
I donated but haven’t build yet 😂 I need to print as well!!
It’s awesome man. Definitely a super cool upgrade 😊
same
@@jayfc3 I tried to print housing with ASA but warped then I stopped 😂 I’ll try something with GF/CF. Maybe PBT GF
Hi great video as always 👍, dose this allow the AMS to be used with other printers ? ,
Why would it? It’s the guts of an AMS in a new box is all.
Following with interest
Wish there was a version for AMS Lite.
pls more content about zerog mercury 1.1 and hydra system. and maby ERCF v2 project.
Omg I'm in the middle of making my Python AMS! I'm serial #0046. Currently working on making all of the extruder gears and spool holders out of Bambu PA6-GF Nylon. Though I'm struggling with tuning retractions and getting decent bridging without sacrificing strength. At first I had tuned the filament so good I had prints coming out near perfect at around 265°C, but as soon as I printed the Benchy and picked it up, the smoke stack broke off and I realized that cooling the bridges was ruining the layer adhesion strength and I wasn't printing hot enough. I know this is overkill, but I wanted to make a completely wear resistant system. I'm still printing the frame out of PETG though because there are so many overhangs and I have that tuned perfectly, I just wanted the heavy wear parts to be more durable and dimensionally actuate.
Is it quieter, louder, or the same type of noise as the official? My biggest problem with this printer is how much noise everything makes. I can run all three of my other Voron printers, and this still drowns them out.
@@yusky03 I haven’t measured but it might be slightly louder. The enclosure helps to dampen it.
Thank you for the review, as i have been looking at it for some time.
I never heard you couldn't/shouldn't use gf/cf filament in the ams. Same goes for cardboard. Been using polymaker and those work for me. Maybe i just got lucky.
Again, thanks for the video!
Having trouble visualizing how it might support 5 external spools. Are you counting a feed outside the Python? I have a Bambu 4:1 PTFE manifold in front of the AMS PTFE tube which uses up one slot, for just 3 external.
@@ziggystardog it would be 4 external spools. I think you’re referring to when I say 5 Bowden tubes. One is for the one coming out of the AMS feed.
@@ModBotArmy Ahh… thanks. It didn’t occur to me that one of the tubes was the Python outlet.
will this work with the A1?
does it work with tpu?
Since you mentioned them. VoxlePLA’s PETG requires higher temperature (recommended by them) to print (265 vs 245). Does this make it stronger afterwards ? What’s the reason for this difference in temperature ?
I love their filaments. I run the PETG HS on my X1C @265 - it is much stronger than Bambu lab petg hf, and I think it's because of stronger bonds between the layers partly because of the higher temp and partly because of better chemistry.
Lo peor de los ams, es cuando tenes que desarmarlo por un filamento roto y no veo que el mod arregle eso. Al contrario.
Are you the dude who voices over the Lightburn tutorials?
@@poppin_freshgaming4334 that’s me! I work for LightBurn! Was hired on 3 years ago for support and transitioned to video creation a few months after 😊.
@@ModBotArmy HA! That's awesome! I got my new Thunder laser this week and I'm learning LB and I was like, man that voice sounds familiar.
This is so tempting! I hesitate to do this to my only AMS. However, I might see if I can find a used AMS or sources for the "replacement" parts from Bambu. Looking at the Bambu site, you can buy every internal part for the AMS from Bambu. I am considering ordering the kit from Voxel and then working on sorcing the internals.
I had a similar thought. Looking at the current pricing off the parts for the internals it comes out to be more than the cost of a new AMS unit. Before you get to the circuit boards it was coming out to be about $285. With all the electronics needed, it comes out to be about $363, with the currenting prices. That's without the PTFE tubes. The current price for a new unit is currently $350. So I'd probably either go for a used or buy a new unit instead of sourcing all the internals. Could get used that doesn't work and source the broken parts if the used price is reasonable.
@@EngineerWilky81 I had yet to get around to pricing the parts. I'd also have to add the $50 for the AMS hub.
Some guy commented he’s got 4 AMS units “basically retired” because he hates them, maybe he’ll give you one. 😂
Much appreciate the fantastic video. It really helped me to understand this mod. However, calling it an "Upgrade" is a bit misleading. There are cons, as well as pros to this mod. Honestly speaking, the workflow with the standard AMS and bambu filament (with the RFID) really simplifies the workflow. I think a lot of thought and engineering went into that workflow. Going around the workflow is a downgrade in my opinion.
How difficult is it to replace the PTFE tubes?
Looks like a very worth while upgrade, but seeing as how those tubes wear out pretty quickly, it may be more of a pain to replace them on this unit (from the looks of it)
In the enclosure it would be 6 screws to detach the unit from it and then pull it out to have access. No enclosure it’s immediately available.
build a stealthchanger
I would like to do this with a Micron +.
Python is a confusing name, they should change it.
Just ordered my p1s with ams guess this is the first upgrade
Run it stock for a while most of these mods aren’t necessary and are just kinda nice to have
@@Timelessplays i don’t like leaving things stock lol my ender and voron already have a ton of mods
@@blaze_toast Idk man I like my hobby to be 3d printing not 3d printers as a hobby the less time im messing about trying to get my printer to work the better
@@Timelessplays good point i do also like to print very fast which is probably why i have modified my printers so much but i needed something reliable and a bambu lab seemed like a goos choice i probably wont touch it in terms of modding for awhile
16.99? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
it's not the AMS it's how they cut the filament after the last extruder drive that is the magic
I have to totally disagree with you and I am sure I am not alone...... "Most reliable multi material system I have used to date" Since day 1 I have had and still do have issues with slot 3 and 4 on both of my AMS's. I have tried every printed fix out there and nothing fixed it permanently. Just returned it to stock. Bambu was no help that only suggested try this and that. What bothered me the worst is You-Tubers who had these issues received replacements quickly and free. Not us peons since we have no real influence on the masses. It is now mostly intermittent and something I live with since the printer is great.
I’ve used 3 of these units for 2 years now with little issue. On occasional load error sure but that’s been largely it. I’m sure not every unit is perfect but compared to what’s been out there prior it’s leaps and bounds ahead.
@@ModBotArmy I'm in this same boat, my Bambu has been more reliable than any printer I've ever had, including professional printers from Stratasys and 3d Systems, etc. It's not perfect, but it's about as reliable as 2d printers are which is all you can really expect
Why for the love of everything cyber sacred would you use a name so we'll known for something else? Aaargh. #lazier than Hollywood
I hated the AMS and returned it. So so so much waste and clunky as all get out.
Smart people don't use bambu lab filament because they appreciate their money and would rather get two to three rolls for the price of 1
Right now I can get 4 refill rolls of PLA basic, PLA matte, 3 types of PETG, or ABS for $15 each, free shipping. Let me know where I can get 2-3 rolls for $15. Smart people look before they comment. 😂
@@radish6691buy sunlu. 5 for 50€
Bambu often have sales on and bulk buys. So when I need spares, I usually stock up on fillment too.
Can’t disagree more. The lite is so much better and more reliable. Its just to many parts and plastic on the og ams. All 4 of mine are basically retired.
I never said the Lite wasn’t good? That’s still and AMS unit. I have no issues with the Lite version.
The L I T E can't be used on a P1P, P1S, or an X-1 Carbon. So what are you on about?
@@TheZionPhil Something that needs to be fixed.