Our friend, Dr Brown, a messianic Jew, has held to a post-trip rapture for 40 years and recently published a book. He is getting a lot of wailing , fearful Christians condemning him for disruption their peace. Brown is one of the better speakers I have heard on all around Christian thought and practice. The veil of dispensationalist is being cracked and God is preparing his people for the end times.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) 10. Watch the UA-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
I just ordered your book Dr Brown - I'll give it a fair and open minded read. That's doesn't even cover the minimum amount of respect and love we owe each other in Christ.
Wow, unbelievable! Keep pushing Dr. Brown... Be encouraged! You’re not alone. Appreciate your persistence and integrity while pushing against, not only the wicked who tries to shut you down, but against the so called Christians who oppose you without even considering an open honest discussion. Bless you!!!🙏
So....this is what you did as you walk up to that FATHER of those kids "hey..are those REALLY your kids?" Holy Jesus. "but against the so called Christians who oppose you" Its no my kids your talking about but a GODS! Go for it..try to tell Him now how much YOU really love Him though Try to not judge by flesh..what you see..
Wake up ... wake up all sleepers, JESUS Christ, The KING of Kings, The LORD of Lords is coming back soon to judge all of mankind, the living and the dead. Be ready and repent for HIS return before it's too late. Alleluia-AMEN !!! ps : Thank you @Dr. Bown for having had invited me to your channel, and our GOD Lord in JESUS Christ bless your ministries and your family as well. Warmest greetings from Indonesia.
Thank you for this wonderful comprehensive teaching which is confirmation of what I have believed based on the Word. All the other theories don't hold water.
Your view is scripturally straightforward. A Pretrib view requires interpolation of its view's presumptions, and taking passages out of context to get the dress shoe to fit onto the sandaled journey.
And as the believers we need to stay faithful in our GOD Lord in JESUS Christ until HIS 2nd coming, so that we will be able to enter HIS gate to be with HIM forever and ever. Amen.
I am pre-trib and my understanding of the trials we endure is because of 1 Peter 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" So we must suffer, because suffering is the process of cleansing us (sanctification). Bible teaches that Jesus was made perfect through suffering.
Those who endure to the end, the same shall be saved. Actually I am so happy to find a teacher who doesn't think the "rapture" is preTrib. And I think the Wrath of God is that great and terrible day when the perverbial poopoo hits the fan- it isn't a long term action, it's a short DAY long destruction. JMO.
Dr. Brown how do you interpret this Revelation 3 :10 Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
I'd suspect he interprets it in a similar way as myself. That being, to be patient through the tribulation and the rule of the antichrist, and once Christ comes at the end of the tribulation God's people are called up and spared from the vials of God's wrath that is poured out over the world. Being that we are saved from the wrath of God but not the wrath of man.
@@naseros. I don't see how you can interpret that in that way. The wrath is what everyone is worried about not the tribulation, read Rev 1:9, John states we are already in the tribulation, what people are concern about is the woes and wrath's . Which he will protect us from, Those whom are sealed
@@maurdib the difference is that the church has always gone threw general persecution and tribulation. Particularly in the years of the early church. Which from my understanding, is what John was referring to in Rev 1.9. But the "Great Tribulation" is the 7 year time frame of the antichrist's rule on earth. After the seals are broken, Jesus calls up the believers (dead, alive, the two witnesses, and so on). The vials are poured out. Jesus returns and the battle of Armageddon takes place.
@@naseros. Yeah but we can't take the fact that the writer of Revelation, is stating that the tribulation has already started. We can't make up another tribulation as if there was multiple
@@maurdib I agree but I wouldn't say singling out a specific time frame of the over all tribulation is necessarily saying there are multiple. Considering the trials and tribulations of the church emb and flow particularly regionally. But I think when most refer to the Great Tribulation they refer to the time of the antichrist. Where times are supposed to be worse than they have ever been threw all of history, where if you are in Jerusalem flee and don't turn back for even a coat, and woe to the women who are pregnant during this time frame, the object of desecration, mark of the beast, and so on.
The vengeance is a spiritual one. Those who refuse to repent of their transgressions and reject the cross will spend eternity in damnation. How more vengeful do you want the lord to be? You want him to come down and make a brutal spectacle of unbelievers like the gladiators in the colosseum? That is not the nature of the lord. I love my brothers in Christ, but wholeheartedly disagree with those who interpret the events detailed in revelation as literal. It’s a symbolic illustration of the lord’s triumph over evil, which was accomplished by Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross. It is done. As he said.
The resurrection of the elect will cut short the great tribulation initiating the Day of the Lord, Gods wrath against the wicked. (Mat. 24:21-22, 30-31, Rev 7:9-17)
Regardless of pre/post whatever. Why would anyone (said in love) want to assume the rapture is before the tribulation when Jesus himself said HE doesn't know the day or hour and throughout history the pattern is for followers of Jesus to SUFFER for the cross.
@HappyToOblige Yes at times God displays His glory and fulfils prophecy by delivering his people. At other times fulfilment of prophecy happens when they experience the wrath of man. Jesus was not delivered from the cross. We have to pick ours up just like him. Can you imagine if we knew the hour - we'd be even more arrogant than we already are. God left it hidden for a reason so we don't focus on the hour but focus on being holy.
Coming like a thief in the night refers to the sons of darkness because the sons of light will not be caught unaware. The day of the Lord will come simultaneously with us believers being GATHERED (raptured) from all corners and then be given our resurrected glorified bodies to live with Yeshua in the New Jerusalem on EARTH that will come down from heaven. HE will keep us from the evil one while we undergo great tribulation and only at the END of this whole period of great tribulation will we be resurrected together with those who went before us.
During the 10 plagues in Egypt, didn't God make a distinction between the Hebrews and the Egyptians? Couldn't God do that again during the tribulation? Elijah and Moses (or Enoch), laying dead in the streets of Jerusalem, was that God's wrath...or persecution? Yes, Jesus said "In this world you shall have tribulation" After being stoned and left for dead, Paul revisited the churches and his message was "We go through many hardships (thlipsis: pressure, affliction, hardship, trouble, etc.) to enter the kingdom of God." Thank you Dr. Brown for your voice of moral, cultural and spiritual revolution!
Because "the time of the judgment of the dead" is in Revelation 11:18, we know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order. This is confirmed by Christ returning in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19. Instead, the book is a series of overlapping visions given to John on the Island of Patmos. .
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (which prove the book is not in chronological order) Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1. (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels have already been bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The only way to properly interpret the book is through the principle of "Recapitulation". ua-cam.com/video/puk7HOeSYRI/v-deo.html
Hi Dr. Brown, I deeply enjoy and respect your work. What Bible verses contain the 7th seal specifically in chapter 8? Revelation 8:1 only, or Revelation 8:1-6. By reading it, I always thought it was Revelation 8:1-6. If the latter is the case, the seals must be completed first, then the trumpets. If the former, I would think that there could be some seals and trumpets that would potentially overlap. Thanks, God bless!
I certainly hope we have a "We're outta here!" Pretrib rapture as I was taught and believed for many years, but I must say the first few verses of the 2nd chapter of 2nd Thessalonians was a key for me.
What will Jesus fulfill during His Second Coming? The coming of the Son of Man. (Rev. 7:9-17) The physical return of the Holy One. (Rev. 10:1-7) The appearing of the Word of God. (Rev. 19:11-21) The return of the Lamb of God. (Rev. 21:9-10)
Mathew 24,44: „In the hour you did not expect it he will come.“ I just think in the post tribulation the Christians will expect him especially after the 7 years are over: so this scripture speaks more for the pre tribulation theory. Also because the verses Jesus spoke to the disciples.
Claudia F. It was spoken to people living in the first century. Notice the word “you” when Jesus addressed the people. He can’t speak in present tense yet mean 2,000 years from now. That doesn’t make sense - at least not to me.
@@jwalkermtnr If we were to apply man's reasoning to the Bible, we wouldn't accept a lot of it. Or, we would interpret it wrongly. The key is to attempt to understand what the Bible is telling us, not making it to conform to our way of looking at things. I used to listen to Pastor David Hocking, a very good Bible teacher. He was pre-trib. But after all the explanations of the Bible passages he used to support that view, he summed it up by basically saying, it wouldn't make sense - why would God allow us to go through the tribulation? Again, man's reasoning. Very difficult to overcome 2 Thessalonians 2 which is, I think, the most detailed the New Testament gets as far as the timing of the "rapture." I think many that want to believe the Pre-Trib view do so, in the end, based on what they think and more importantly, feel. It is the worst time in the history of man, of all time. Why would God allow Christians to go through that? That's not the question. The question is, what does God say, not what makes sense to us. Just my two cents worth on the timing of Christ's return and our being gathered to Him.
In my view, the context of most if not all verses about eschatology are spoken to people living in the 1st century in a present tense (i.e. this generation, you will see, etc.). Then, when you learn about the occurrences of the Jewish-Roman war and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. it lines up with these verses. I’m not sure how it can be future events when it never says that in scripture.
It is the Revealed Olivette Discourse found in Mark, Luke and Matthew and penned by John describing the Apocylpse of the End of the old covenant age and coming forth of the New Heaven and Earth Heavenly Kingdom.
I could imagine that there is the rapture and all world sees Jesus and then God gives time for all the people to turn to him, but only a part turns to him and those will have to endure tribulation. It is like when you sieve sand.
Fruits of the Spirit! The heart of the matter ! The fig tree had no fruits ! You will know a man / person by fruits! He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith.” For he gives the water of life freely!
I believe that, without us going through the intense persecution of at least the first part of the time of the antichrist's reign, God, being absolutely just, would not bring the absolute judgement of the end. The most powerful testimony is that the persecuted. Those who do not repent at that, will suffer God's righteous wrath at the end.
Yeshua is in control. Yeshua opens a seal, and that's the cue to the angel to blow its trumpet, and that cues the angel to pour out its vial, rinse and repeat. The book of revelation is written in a writing style called "recapitulation" retelling the same story multiple times, adding different information each time it's told. Recapitulation is necessary when expressing a complex event such as the return of Yeshua.
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have not read your book because i just heard about it butwould love to I've read many on both sides for years and used to watch irvin Baxter a lot and Mike biekle spelling may be wrong.
I haven’t read the book either. I really don’t need to because it’s evident that it’s a pre tribulation. The tribulation is called “the time of Jacob’s troubles” and revelation 9:20-21 are clear that it’s to cause repentance of sin in people. If Gods people repent from their repentance that would send us back to our sin. A post tribulation rapture makes no sense of the issue. I wouldn’t mind reading it but I don’t have it. I wouldn’t mind reading it because God has shown me the truth on this. Dr. Brown, the verses you cite about going through many tribulations in this life are about the Christians life, not about the end times. This means they’re inapplicable to this topic.
New Zealanders - Are some of your children and grandies being told that they must stand or kneel tomorrow at 1:30pm under the Sound of Islamic Call to Prayer? I will never tell you what you should do or how you should respond, however I suggest you check with your school to exactly what will happen and if so instruct your children exactly how it is fitting for you and your family to respond to this moment in our nations history. As for me I will be standing in silent remembrance of these beautiful people who needlessly lost their precious lives. I will meditate on our national anthem - That men of every creed and race, gather here before thy face, asking thee to bless this place - God Defend - New Zealand and I will Honour the name of Jesus Christ and thank him for great grace and love poured out on this nation at the ends of the earth. God Bless New Zealand
1. The Falling Away 2. A Little Horn 3. First Seal: The White Horse 4. He Will Confirm A Covenant 5. The Temple Of God 6. Second Seal: The Red Horse 7. The Great Harlot 8. Third Seal: The Black Horse 9. The Woman Having Twelve Stars 10. The Restrainer 11. A War In Heaven 12. The Beast 13. The False Prophet 14. Fourth Seal: The Pale Horse 15. The Great Tribulation: Satan’s Wrath 16. The Two Witnesses 17. First Angel: Preaching The Gospel 18. Second Angel: Mystery Babylon Falls 19. Third Angel: Do Not Worship The Beast 20. Fifth Seal: Martyrdom 21. The Valley of Jehoshaphat 22. Sixth Seal: Sun, Moon, and Stars 23. The Sign Of The Son Of Man 24. The Coming of The Son of Man
Don't worry we're just gonna disappear before anything bad happens, peace and safety. Then sudden destruction comes upon them. a thief in the night... a thief takes that which does not belong to him, it's the basic fundamental attribute that defines him as a thief. think about it.
Not sure if your kidding or.. but Jesus said "I am coming as a thief". So Jesus is going to take something that does not belong to Him? :) Or some thing that is His..that was taken from Him? Wrath is not coming on a few cities but the world and all in it. No angel this time to say "you have to be gone or I can do nothing" this time. See no place to hide. So as long as the RIGHTEOUS are here Gods wrath can not happen. Is Gods wrath for the world and all in it? If people would just have faith in the moment He gave them. Live except Jesus now..and you will never miss Him
Dr Brown. It is better understand the whole.obvious that none of the events in the book of Revelation are chronological which makes it doubly difficult to grasp a correct time line for them. Do you have a teaching on the correct time line so I can better understand the whole?
Much of it chronological though. The 1st Trump comes first, then the 2nd Trump, etc. But I agree that there are things in Revelation that appear to jump back and forth. It is confusing. I think it's meant to be that way, I think until the tribulation period is near anyway. For example, the Two Witnesses and the whole world rejoicing over their deaths. That was not possible as far as anyone knew until the 20th century.
I normally agree with most of all of Dr. Browns work, but in this regard he seems to be leaning much more on his own understanding. Any man under God who thinks he cannot be wrong will be humbled. For a man that normally provides more robust and assertive scriptural evidence, he focused mainly on syntax and opinion in his rebuttals. It seems (though doesn't means it's true) that this was an attempt to make money from a contraversial book with a challenging topic. It's a good discussion nontheless and I don't fault him nor claim to have knowledge either way. The difference between this and other videos simply echo his lack of confidence in the topic (or a highly cautious approach). Been there before, good opportunity to be humbled (for all of us) and definitely not a reason for division or yet another Church denomination lol.
Michael Wallace scriptural references: Luke 21, Mark 13, 1 Thessalonians 4, Mathew 24, Revelation 8, ecclesiasties 12, Amos 8, Joel 3, Ezekiel 3, acts 2. They all make reference to the sun and moon being darkened the day that Jesus Christ comes in the clouds for his elect. Mathew 24 states that all flesh would be destroyed but those days will be cut short for the sake of the elect. Mathew 24:36 says “But of THAT day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” There will be 3-1/2 years of tribulation from when the first seal is broken, including the 75 days of the great tribulation after the abomination of desolation comes onto the scene, then the rapture, then God pours out his wrath with the 7th seal and the trumpets and vials, then Armageddon, then Satan is thrown into the bottomless pit for 1000 years which brings forth the millennial reign of Christ, Satan is let loose for a short season, then the battle of Gog and Magog. Revelation is chronological but is split into chapters 1-11 and 12-22. Hope that helps a little.
@@JohnWick-zr7ip thanks! I will look into these more. What do you think of this idea that the generation would not pass before they saw those things happen. What do you think Jesus was referring to? I have some ideas but curious of your opinion as you seem versed.
Michael Wallace exegetically, it depends on which translation of the Bible you are using. The KJV states in Mathew 24:34 “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” ALL these things must be fulfilled. The generation is the generation of believers before the rapture because their will be believers after the rapture and during the millennial reign. The things to pass is everything in that present time, because there was usually an application to an event at that moment or shortly in the future (like Mathew 24 which talks about the destruction of the temple which comes to fruition in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple by Titus) and those things that are yet to come, which refers to all the events of the tribulation, the seals and vials and the things that follow as seen in revelation. There are a lot of scriptures which are called parallel passages which are seen throughout the Bible in the different books that refer to the same event(s). The book of revelation is pretty dense and has a lot of imagery and symbolism that is hard to unpack because John who was on the isle of Patmos at the time was given a vision and was describing what he had seen in the terms that were familiar to him. Splitting up revelation into two parts helps a lot. 1-11 is mainly talking about the events that will be taking place at the end of days. 12-22, which starts with the very beginning of things (think Genesis) and ends with the end times, gives a more macro overview of events from beginning to end and then goes more into some of the events of God’s wrath, Armageddon, the millennial reign, and the battle of Gog and Magog. Daniel’s 70th week (7 years of tribulation) lines up with the events of the seals and vials. Between the 5th and 6th seal the antichrist receives a wound to his head. The beast takes over his body on the third day and their is a false resurrection. The Bible makes a distinction by saying he who was, and is not, and yet is. Meaning he was alive, and is now dead but yet still alive (but really it’s the beast who has taken over). Remember satan is the great deceiver, and will try and deceive all by making it appear that the Antichrist is the second coming of Christ. All that don’t worship and take the mark of the beast in their right hand or forehead will be persecuted and many will be beheaded. This 75 day period is the Great Tribulation. God sends his son Jesus Christ to intervene on the sake of the elect (Mathew 24) and comes in the clouds and the elect is caught up with Him in the clouds. The Latin word for caught up is raptus, which is why the word rapture is frequently used. Hope that helps a bit!
@@JohnWick-zr7ip so I'm trying to read Revelations differently now. it seems like you are referring to something like a mid tribulation rapture? Those 75 days are where do you think within those 7 years? I definitely appreciate your wisdom so far.
Michael Wallace the easiest way to think about it is as a post-tribulation pre-wrath rapture. From the opening of the first seal, which is where the Antichrist confirms a covenant with many for one week, there will be 1335 days until the rapture. Daniel 12:12 “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.” The 75 days of great tribulation is the last 75 days of the 1335 days, when the abomination of desolation (the beast) emerges through a false resurrection of the Antichrist. The beast will demand that all worship him and take the mark of the beast. Those who do not, a great many will be killed (a vast amount will be beheaded). That 75 day period is referred to as the great tribulation when the abomination of desolation is persecuting the elect. This is what will prompt the intercession of Jesus Christ at the behest of The Father to gather His elect so that they will be spared. After the rapture, the 7th seal is opened and God begins to pour out his wrath. The 7 trumpets and 7 vials follow and are spread out over the remaining 3 1/2 years of the entire 7 year period mentioned in the book of Daniel. The ending of this period occurs with the battle of Armageddon.
I do believe in pre-tribulation. In the world we will have tribulations. (Troubles) not Great Tribulation!! Second,. You are putting the church and the tribulation saints as one people. The church is spared the test that comes on all the earth. Explain this Dr. Brown,. Why is it that the church is dressed in fine linen, get crowns, white rock with new name, has a seder with Jesus in the wedding of the lamb, goes through the tribune judgement, church comes down with Jesus in the clouds on white horses, will be priest in the Millennium then go to the new Jerusalem. And the tribulation saints dress in white robes, get killed and get salvation bc of their TESTIMONY ,(not by grace). The go to the bowl of God's wrath, resurrect in the Millennium, and they are judged in the great white throne, finally they get palm leaves and are in God's temple for ever. When The Holy Spirit is taken so that the Lawless man can be revealed, The church has to go with The Holy Spirit bc HE is the church's seal . In the Great Tribulation The Law of Moses is reinstated, that's how Israelites know The antichrist is not Meshiach and reject him. Please explain your readings of these scriptures.
0:47 The beat died 2001. A few months before nine eleven. And the nation of the beast is now a headless chick running around without even understanding it'S living its last moment. Wanna know more? TTYoJD. 9:38 I totally agree that the trebulation has been deadly enough already. Let's go ahead and get beyond that. 10:25 My rabbis says the flood is Noah's fault for being untrustful in the ability of humanity to repent. They say, it's still unclear to me, that Abraham brought techouva, he repented, on his reincarnation lineage, in his gilgoulim(plural), and that's because he trusted in humanity's ability to repent that he repented for Noah's fault. That means, just like Jonas to Niniveh, that God changes his mind whenever it pleases him. He's able of forgiveness, and he's able to cancel previously expressed consequences such as, the wrath. If we believe humankind can be saved, we mightn't see the consequences such as these explained in the apocalypse. Go be-good. Bible ends saying "Do not change the meaning of the texts, do not add to these texts..." "Those who alter the texts will see the events described in the apocalypse" "Those who removes text will see their place removed from heaven". Go be-good, my Johnnies and Jeanettes. 18:55 The beast is dead. We live in a Bonus era. Whatever it could be called. Wanna know more? TTYoJD. 23:07 Ano-Domini lasted for 2k years already. The beast is dead. Whether Jesus is coming soon, sooner or much sooner, all that counts is that he's coming back. We should be readier than if the queen or president was visiting home tomorrow. Plus, if we're ready to welcome Jesus in our home, then in our heart, a queen or a president would feel comfortable enough to come in joyful, stay joyful and leave joyful. 27:01 Jews believes in trinity. The rouahr hakadosh(the goly spirit, the breathe of God). The messiah(who's theirs, by the way, shouldn't ever be ashamed of that fact). The creator(who's our God). (Hey, is that lil guy yours?) (What has he done wrong again?) (Nothing wrong, he saved humankind 2000 years ago. Saved it from itself) 28:14 I'm slowly reading Rabi Moshe Hayim Lumzato's Derekh Hachem. Today. As i watch your video. Today. Ramhal explains that God has memory, he has will, he has imagination, just like us, but that it's all One, while for us, it's separated components. God is unity. Tetragrammaton. From Youd to kHé. Us beings, RNA, and DNA. And the creator, the spirit and the offspring. The word of creation, its meaning, and its result. The holy breathe engendering life purposely. 30:00 I couldn't phrase it exactly, but i remember Jesus saying first, don'T wast your time gazing at the stars... And don't look for signs everywhere and anywhere, there won't be. How it was worded precisely? I'm clueless.
The seven great Empires Vs. Israel , in the end it will somehow be reversed Israel Vs. A combination of the previous seven ..my question : what if Israel controlling World events ..what if World leaders have constructed this somehow so that they can show the World who God really is ! ...I always say perhaps it will be the Serpents turn to be put to the test. My reason and biggest question being sentient beings dont have the right to test the creator? for we are living entity that feels also just as creator albeit to a lesser extent but still sometimes life does feel very challenging. Very. ...somehow someone or something in back of my mind is telling me this is exactly what is going to happen! ..that it will be our turn , humanity, to test the serpent ...I mean no blasphemy but only understanding..God Bless ..
The very same word REVELATION means disclosure... 602. apokalupsis ap-ok-al'-oop-sis from 601; disclosure:--appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation. (Strong's Greek Lexicon)
Muslims believe Muhammad is their "Excellent Example". Christians know Jesus Yeshua is OUR excellent example. He was CRUCIFIED for us, so how do we say we will not be "crucified" (put to death, suffer tribulation) for HIM?
That day will not come.... What day? The day of the Lord. What is the day of the Lord? Christ's return, 7th trump if you were to leave it at that. Who is the man of sin? Put together the several verses in chapter 2 of 2nd Thessalonians that talk about this. Clearly this is the Anti-Christ, not some evil guy. He will destroy this man of sin or lawlessness by the brightness of His coming. But you have to read nearly all the verses of this chapter. When is the restrainer removed? Could it be before the Tribulation period, the most horrible, worst time of all time? There are very specific things that make it clear in chapter 2 what Paul is talking about. Christ's return to gather His people will not happen until the two events he points out in Chapter 2. The mass apostacy and the Anti-Christ sitting in the Temple equating himself with God or maybe even claiming to be God, but either one. Fine. There has to be a Temple in Jerusalem which is coming soon, the plans are already in place. The 7 year peace treaty with Israel will be in place, I suspect before the Temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem. [I suspect (off the subject) that the 7 year peace treaty is the beginning of the 7 year tribulation period.] The more you delve into what Paul, really God, is telling us in chapter 2, the more you will see and the more specific it will become. I did this recently with the question of the timing on my mind. I realized afterwards that I had done the same thing 30 years before and came to the same point - 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2. There are no other verses that clearly (emphasis on clearly) talk about the timing, although this doesn't tell you when. It just tells you that it will not happen until the two events occur. If we approach the Bible with the idea of it giving us the information, the conclusion is pretty inescapable. If we approach the Bible on this question from another viewpoint, who knows what we will come up with. I'll give you an example. I was shocked frankly to find that some very good Bible teachers, who are firmly Pre-Trib, pointed to 2 Thes 2 but only the first few verses, not the entire chapter. One of my favorite Bible teachers, I was surprised to find, leaves out verses 4 on. And then I read commentary from another favorite Bible teacher who did the exact same thing. They were both flat out wrong to do this but they did. Doesn't mean they aren't great teachers, but in this case they were wrong. You can easily think the man of sin or lawlessness is someone other than the Anti-Christ IF you stop at verse 3. It's kind of like saying, "You will know the truth and the truth will set you free." That is wrong as wrong can be. That is not what God is saying and forgive me for paraphrasing, but the full verse as I recall is talking about people that are true followers of Christ. That is verse John 8:32 but leaving out the first word and the previous sentence which is all important, John 8:31. IF you follow my teachings, then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. Check it out. It is one of the most wrongly applied verses - that is, out of context, that I commonly hear said. If you are my disciple and follow my teachings - then.......
To be raptured out of here? Oh, I am an orthodox christian my whole life and this has never been taught, and I know for a fact that neither roman catholics nor anglicans nor any european main protestant denomination (lutherans & calvinists) have that. So, who came up with this "rapture" idea in the first place? It seems some of the many heresies since the beginning of the Church. I once even met a "christian" who was convincing me that Christ was NOT crucified on friday (straight against the holy Apostles). The downside to the US innumerable denominations and their "I interpret the Scripture the way I THINK is right" attitude.
Nemija.. pffft....I years ago searched on this. 300-400AD a man that preached and wrote hymns wrote about "caught up before the great trib". scrolls they have them.. I read that one. Then some man on TV show'd them! Then he found more where people talked about caught up before the 7 years. And I read my bible. Jesus said He went back to make us a home and if He left He will come back and get us.. so WHERE He is we will be. I then read on.. voice shout trump.. dead rise then we with them..to meet Christ in the air to be with Him forever.. comfort one another with these words (try to comfort someone with..your going to SUFFER REALLY BAD..you have to stay). See.. I am one of those..but I am not like most. For me it HAS to be written. And PRE trib mid trib post trib are NOT in the bible. So LIVE for JESUS NOW! Expect Him now.. you will never miss Him JESUS IS REAL! Go for it.. I DARE YOU! Ask JESUS.. not man.. HIM should I LIVE for you expect you NOW or have faith know in a day you never promised me in the 1st place? THINK! You live for Jesus..not Dr Browns way or my way.. you seek you search you pray. Wise to ask listen but in the end.. if we follow some MAN we only see believe what they believe.. expect JESUS NOW! AWESOME to always thinking living for HIM NOW!
Max Blade Brother, I know this is how most american christians (how many of them are there today?) experience and understand Christ. This is a fallen world, we are so corrupted and astray, our souls are worse than a body on metastases, black and subdued to every single passion there is. To think it is enough to simply WISH to commune with the Most Pure and Holy Trinity, and "snap" - it happens, is a serious abomination. It is such a shame that US christians have lost the 2-millennia unbroken patristic thread (it is the ultimate psychoanalysis really, so detailed and demanding) based on experiences, temptations, revelations (both false and real), and are left completely alone today, without guidance, unaware of spiritual traps everywhere around us (example: people would think: my God! there is an angel apoeared in front of me, I'm feeling so alive! And without blinking one would start communion with him, not knowing that it is almost certainly a demonic deception). But, I am hoping that God alone can help you people, when there is no one else left to take your hand and guide you safely through the valley of shadow and death. Stay well!
Ive looked at all the raptures mentioned in revelation they all came out of great tribulation and were dead the only ones raptured that were apparently alive were the 144000 Israelites. so where is the one that includes we which remain alive. this does not mean i believe pretrib because im comforted but i see it as scriptual. nor do i believe we will necessarily escape persecution its beginning now and has been going on somewhere throughout christian history, nor does it mean we have to be persecuted. my mother died a Christian and was never persecuted.
2nd coming has happened already ...why do u think there were two world wars....the 1st coming in daniel 7: 13-14... Is exactly like mathew ..mark..luke....coming in the clouds....then it is the 1st judgement...then GODs 6000 year plan of redemption is done then it is the 1000 year Millennium reign of CHRIST.. ( sabbaths) then it is desolation of earth isaiah 24....then the book of life is opened.....
Our friend, Dr Brown, a messianic Jew, has held to a post-trip rapture for 40 years and recently published a book. He is getting a lot of wailing , fearful Christians condemning him for disruption their peace. Brown is one of the better speakers I have heard on all around Christian thought and practice. The veil of dispensationalist is being cracked and God is preparing his people for the end times.
As an aside, he is a premillennial dispensationalist, all be it the less common post-trib viewpoint.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the UA-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
People are very emotionally attached to their eschatological views. I’m just gunna keep seeking to know Him👍
I just ordered your book Dr Brown - I'll give it a fair and open minded read. That's doesn't even cover the minimum amount of respect and love we owe each other in Christ.
Wow, unbelievable! Keep pushing Dr. Brown... Be encouraged! You’re not alone. Appreciate your persistence and integrity while pushing against, not only the wicked who tries to shut you down, but against the so
called Christians who oppose you without even considering an open honest discussion. Bless you!!!🙏
So....this is what you did as you walk up to that FATHER of those kids "hey..are those REALLY your kids?" Holy Jesus. "but against the so called Christians who oppose you" Its no my kids your talking about but a GODS! Go for it..try to tell Him now how much YOU really love Him though
Try to not judge by flesh..what you see..
Dr Brown is an wise old man with a young heart... truly.
Wake up ... wake up all sleepers, JESUS Christ, The KING of Kings, The LORD of Lords is coming back soon to judge all of mankind, the living and the dead. Be ready and repent for HIS return before it's too late. Alleluia-AMEN !!!
ps : Thank you @Dr. Bown for having had invited me to your channel, and our GOD Lord in JESUS Christ bless your ministries and your family as well.
Warmest greetings from Indonesia.
Thank you for this wonderful comprehensive teaching which is confirmation of what I have believed based on the Word. All the other theories don't hold water.
Your view is scripturally straightforward. A Pretrib view requires interpolation of its view's presumptions, and taking passages out of context to get the dress shoe to fit onto the sandaled journey.
another great video praise G-d, thank you Yeshua, for giving us new life and eternal life!
And as the believers we need to stay faithful in our GOD Lord in JESUS Christ until HIS 2nd coming, so that we will be able to enter HIS gate to be with HIM forever and ever. Amen.
I am pre-trib and my understanding of the trials we endure is because of 1 Peter 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" So we must suffer, because suffering is the process of cleansing us (sanctification). Bible teaches that Jesus was made perfect through suffering.
Those who endure to the end, the same shall be saved. Actually I am so happy to find a teacher who doesn't think the "rapture" is preTrib. And I think the Wrath of God is that great and terrible day when the perverbial poopoo hits the fan- it isn't a long term action, it's a short DAY long destruction. JMO.
Great attitude.
I just want to be with Christ. Don't care where.
Amen Brother!
He is Yeshua Mashiach...
GREAT DECEPTION IS HERE NOW.
Dr. Brown how do you interpret this Revelation 3 :10 Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
I'd suspect he interprets it in a similar way as myself. That being, to be patient through the tribulation and the rule of the antichrist, and once Christ comes at the end of the tribulation God's people are called up and spared from the vials of God's wrath that is poured out over the world. Being that we are saved from the wrath of God but not the wrath of man.
@@naseros. I don't see how you can interpret that in that way. The wrath is what everyone is worried about not the tribulation, read Rev 1:9, John states we are already in the tribulation, what people are concern about is the woes and wrath's . Which he will protect us from, Those whom are sealed
@@maurdib the difference is that the church has always gone threw general persecution and tribulation. Particularly in the years of the early church. Which from my understanding, is what John was referring to in Rev 1.9. But the "Great Tribulation" is the 7 year time frame of the antichrist's rule on earth. After the seals are broken, Jesus calls up the believers (dead, alive, the two witnesses, and so on). The vials are poured out. Jesus returns and the battle of Armageddon takes place.
@@naseros. Yeah but we can't take the fact that the writer of Revelation, is stating that the tribulation has already started. We can't make up another tribulation as if there was multiple
@@maurdib I agree but I wouldn't say singling out a specific time frame of the over all tribulation is necessarily saying there are multiple. Considering the trials and tribulations of the church emb and flow particularly regionally. But I think when most refer to the Great Tribulation they refer to the time of the antichrist. Where times are supposed to be worse than they have ever been threw all of history, where if you are in Jerusalem flee and don't turn back for even a coat, and woe to the women who are pregnant during this time frame, the object of desecration, mark of the beast, and so on.
Be blessed
He gave us the Revelation for a reason. He is returning with a vengeance. Get your wedding garments clean!
Amen!!!
The vengeance is a spiritual one. Those who refuse to repent of their transgressions and reject the cross will spend eternity in damnation. How more vengeful do you want the lord to be? You want him to come down and make a brutal spectacle of unbelievers like the gladiators in the colosseum? That is not the nature of the lord.
I love my brothers in Christ, but wholeheartedly disagree with those who interpret the events detailed in revelation as literal. It’s a symbolic illustration of the lord’s triumph over evil, which was accomplished by Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross. It is done. As he said.
The resurrection of the elect will cut short the great tribulation initiating the Day of the Lord, Gods wrath against the wicked. (Mat. 24:21-22, 30-31, Rev 7:9-17)
I am post trib- jesus said : after the trib, not before, his angels will gather the elect.matt 24
Lol. There is no argument. Pre trib is comfort based, not biblically based.
That woman is right.
Regardless of pre/post whatever. Why would anyone (said in love) want to assume the rapture is before the tribulation when Jesus himself said HE doesn't know the day or hour and throughout history the pattern is for followers of Jesus to SUFFER for the cross.
@HappyToOblige Yes at times God displays His glory and fulfils prophecy by delivering his people. At other times fulfilment of prophecy happens when they experience the wrath of man. Jesus was not delivered from the cross. We have to pick ours up just like him. Can you imagine if we knew the hour - we'd be even more arrogant than we already are. God left it hidden for a reason so we don't focus on the hour but focus on being holy.
Coming like a thief in the night refers to the sons of darkness because the sons of light will not be caught unaware. The day of the Lord will come simultaneously with us believers being GATHERED (raptured) from all corners and then be given our resurrected glorified bodies to live with Yeshua in the New Jerusalem on EARTH that will come down from heaven. HE will keep us from the evil one while we undergo great tribulation and only at the END of this whole period of great tribulation will we be resurrected together with those who went before us.
During the 10 plagues in Egypt, didn't God make a distinction between the Hebrews and the Egyptians? Couldn't God do that again during the tribulation? Elijah and Moses (or Enoch), laying dead in the streets of Jerusalem, was that God's wrath...or persecution? Yes, Jesus said "In this world you shall have tribulation" After being stoned and left for dead, Paul revisited the churches and his message was "We go through many hardships (thlipsis: pressure, affliction, hardship, trouble, etc.) to enter the kingdom of God." Thank you Dr. Brown for your voice of moral, cultural and spiritual revolution!
As it is written, so shall it be.
Because "the time of the judgment of the dead" is in Revelation 11:18, we know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order. This is confirmed by Christ returning in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19. Instead, the book is a series of overlapping visions given to John on the Island of Patmos.
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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation:
(which prove the book is not in chronological order)
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels have already been bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The only way to properly interpret the book is through the principle of "Recapitulation".
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Hi Dr. Brown, I deeply enjoy and respect your work. What Bible verses contain the 7th seal specifically in chapter 8?
Revelation 8:1 only, or Revelation 8:1-6.
By reading it, I always thought it was Revelation 8:1-6. If the latter is the case, the seals must be completed first, then the trumpets.
If the former, I would think that there could be some seals and trumpets that would potentially overlap.
Thanks, God bless!
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I certainly hope we have a "We're outta here!" Pretrib rapture as I was taught and believed for many years, but I must say the first few verses of the 2nd chapter of 2nd Thessalonians was a key for me.
I agree with Post-Tribulation also!!!! 😎
What will Jesus fulfill during His Second Coming?
The coming of the Son of Man. (Rev. 7:9-17)
The physical return of the Holy One. (Rev. 10:1-7)
The appearing of the Word of God. (Rev. 19:11-21)
The return of the Lamb of God. (Rev. 21:9-10)
Mathew 24,44: „In the hour you did not expect it he will come.“
I just think in the post tribulation the Christians will expect him especially after the 7 years are over: so this scripture speaks more for the pre tribulation theory. Also because the verses Jesus spoke to the disciples.
Or the midtrib theory.
Claudia F. It was spoken to people living in the first century. Notice the word “you” when Jesus addressed the people. He can’t speak in present tense yet mean 2,000 years from now. That doesn’t make sense - at least not to me.
@@jwalkermtnr If we were to apply man's reasoning to the Bible, we wouldn't accept a lot of it. Or, we would interpret it wrongly. The key is to attempt to understand what the Bible is telling us, not making it to conform to our way of looking at things.
I used to listen to Pastor David Hocking, a very good Bible teacher. He was pre-trib. But after all the explanations of the Bible passages he used to support that view, he summed it up by basically saying, it wouldn't make sense - why would God allow us to go through the tribulation? Again, man's reasoning. Very difficult to overcome 2 Thessalonians 2 which is, I think, the most detailed the New Testament gets as far as the timing of the "rapture." I think many that want to believe the Pre-Trib view do so, in the end, based on what they think and more importantly, feel. It is the worst time in the history of man, of all time. Why would God allow Christians to go through that? That's not the question. The question is, what does God say, not what makes sense to us. Just my two cents worth on the timing of Christ's return and our being gathered to Him.
In my view, the context of most if not all verses about eschatology are spoken to people living in the 1st century in a present tense (i.e. this generation, you will see, etc.). Then, when you learn about the occurrences of the Jewish-Roman war and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. it lines up with these verses. I’m not sure how it can be future events when it never says that in scripture.
It is the Revealed Olivette Discourse found in Mark, Luke and Matthew and penned by John describing the Apocylpse of the End of the old covenant age and coming forth of the New Heaven and Earth Heavenly Kingdom.
I could imagine that there is the rapture and all world sees Jesus and then God gives time for all the people to turn to him, but only a part turns to him and those will have to endure tribulation. It is like when you sieve sand.
Fruits of the Spirit! The heart of the matter ! The fig tree had no fruits ! You will know a man / person by fruits! He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith.” For he gives the water of life freely!
I believe that, without us going through the intense persecution of at least the first part of the time of the antichrist's reign, God, being absolutely just, would not bring the absolute judgement of the end. The most powerful testimony is that the persecuted. Those who do not repent at that, will suffer God's righteous wrath at the end.
Jesus: Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
The End
Yeshua is in control. Yeshua opens a seal, and that's the cue to the angel to blow its trumpet, and that cues the angel to pour out its vial, rinse and repeat. The book of revelation is written in a writing style called "recapitulation" retelling the same story multiple times, adding different information each time it's told. Recapitulation is necessary when expressing a complex event such as the return of Yeshua.
Jesus says when he will come as a thief. Revelation 16 verse 15. He also describes the things that happen before and after. Very small window.
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have not read your book because i just heard about it butwould love to I've read many on both sides for years and used to watch irvin Baxter a lot and Mike biekle spelling may be wrong.
meant to add we get raptured, some alive, and immediately return to earth with him and all the holy angels sort of like an amusement park ride.
I haven’t read the book either. I really don’t need to because it’s evident that it’s a pre tribulation. The tribulation is called “the time of Jacob’s troubles” and revelation 9:20-21 are clear that it’s to cause repentance of sin in people. If Gods people repent from their repentance that would send us back to our sin. A post tribulation rapture makes no sense of the issue. I wouldn’t mind reading it but I don’t have it. I wouldn’t mind reading it because God has shown me the truth on this.
Dr. Brown, the verses you cite about going through many tribulations in this life are about the Christians life, not about the end times. This means they’re inapplicable to this topic.
i only see one second coming not 2
How a good Bible believing dispensationalist should!
New Zealanders - Are some of your children and grandies being told that they must stand or kneel tomorrow at 1:30pm under the Sound of Islamic Call to Prayer?
I will never tell you what you should do or how you should respond, however I suggest you check with your school to exactly what will happen and if so instruct your children exactly how it is fitting for you and your family to respond to this moment in our nations history.
As for me I will be standing in silent remembrance of these beautiful people who needlessly lost their precious lives. I will meditate on our national anthem - That men of every creed and race, gather here before thy face, asking thee to bless this place - God Defend - New Zealand and I will Honour the name of Jesus Christ and thank him for great grace and love poured out on this nation at the ends of the earth.
God Bless New Zealand
I disagree with that certain churches abuse Revelations 1-3 and they are spiritually abusive with the verses.
1. The Falling Away
2. A Little Horn
3. First Seal: The White Horse
4. He Will Confirm A Covenant
5. The Temple Of God
6. Second Seal: The Red Horse
7. The Great Harlot
8. Third Seal: The Black Horse
9. The Woman Having Twelve Stars
10. The Restrainer
11. A War In Heaven
12. The Beast
13. The False Prophet
14. Fourth Seal: The Pale Horse
15. The Great Tribulation: Satan’s Wrath
16. The Two Witnesses
17. First Angel: Preaching The Gospel
18. Second Angel: Mystery Babylon Falls
19. Third Angel: Do Not Worship The Beast
20. Fifth Seal: Martyrdom
21. The Valley of Jehoshaphat
22. Sixth Seal: Sun, Moon, and Stars
23. The Sign Of The Son Of Man
24. The Coming of The Son of Man
I’d love to see an expounding in this list
When the New Testament says "Jesus is Lord" it is not saying Mr. Jesus it is saying that He is Adoni another name for god.
Why do your topics during the break get cut off?
Don't worry we're just gonna disappear before anything bad happens, peace and safety. Then sudden destruction comes upon them. a thief in the night... a thief takes that which does not belong to him, it's the basic fundamental attribute that defines him as a thief. think about it.
Not sure if your kidding or.. but Jesus said "I am coming as a thief". So Jesus is going to take something that does not belong to Him? :) Or some thing that is His..that was taken from Him?
Wrath is not coming on a few cities but the world and all in it. No angel this time to say "you have to be gone or I can do nothing" this time. See no place to hide. So as long as the RIGHTEOUS are here Gods wrath can not happen. Is Gods wrath for the world and all in it?
If people would just have faith in the moment He gave them. Live except Jesus now..and you will never miss Him
Dr Brown. It is better understand the whole.obvious that none of the events in the book of Revelation are chronological which makes it doubly difficult to grasp a correct time line for them. Do you have a teaching on the correct time line so I can better understand the whole?
Much of it chronological though. The 1st Trump comes first, then the 2nd Trump, etc. But I agree that there are things in Revelation that appear to jump back and forth. It is confusing. I think it's meant to be that way, I think until the tribulation period is near anyway. For example, the Two Witnesses and the whole world rejoicing over their deaths. That was not possible as far as anyone knew until the 20th century.
Please explain Revelation 2:9
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I normally agree with most of all of Dr. Browns work, but in this regard he seems to be leaning much more on his own understanding.
Any man under God who thinks he cannot be wrong will be humbled. For a man that normally provides more robust and assertive scriptural evidence, he focused mainly on syntax and opinion in his rebuttals.
It seems (though doesn't means it's true) that this was an attempt to make money from a contraversial book with a challenging topic. It's a good discussion nontheless and I don't fault him nor claim to have knowledge either way. The difference between this and other videos simply echo his lack of confidence in the topic (or a highly cautious approach). Been there before, good opportunity to be humbled (for all of us) and definitely not a reason for division or yet another Church denomination lol.
Michael Wallace scriptural references: Luke 21, Mark 13, 1 Thessalonians 4, Mathew 24, Revelation 8, ecclesiasties 12, Amos 8, Joel 3, Ezekiel 3, acts 2. They all make reference to the sun and moon being darkened the day that Jesus Christ comes in the clouds for his elect. Mathew 24 states that all flesh would be destroyed but those days will be cut short for the sake of the elect. Mathew 24:36 says “But of THAT day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” There will be 3-1/2 years of tribulation from when the first seal is broken, including the 75 days of the great tribulation after the abomination of desolation comes onto the scene, then the rapture, then God pours out his wrath with the 7th seal and the trumpets and vials, then Armageddon, then Satan is thrown into the bottomless pit for 1000 years which brings forth the millennial reign of Christ, Satan is let loose for a short season, then the battle of Gog and Magog. Revelation is chronological but is split into chapters 1-11 and 12-22. Hope that helps a little.
@@JohnWick-zr7ip thanks! I will look into these more. What do you think of this idea that the generation would not pass before they saw those things happen. What do you think Jesus was referring to? I have some ideas but curious of your opinion as you seem versed.
Michael Wallace exegetically, it depends on which translation of the Bible you are using. The KJV states in Mathew 24:34 “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” ALL these things must be fulfilled. The generation is the generation of believers before the rapture because their will be believers after the rapture and during the millennial reign. The things to pass is everything in that present time, because there was usually an application to an event at that moment or shortly in the future (like Mathew 24 which talks about the destruction of the temple which comes to fruition in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple by Titus) and those things that are yet to come, which refers to all the events of the tribulation, the seals and vials and the things that follow as seen in revelation. There are a lot of scriptures which are called parallel passages which are seen throughout the Bible in the different books that refer to the same event(s). The book of revelation is pretty dense and has a lot of imagery and symbolism that is hard to unpack because John who was on the isle of Patmos at the time was given a vision and was describing what he had seen in the terms that were familiar to him. Splitting up revelation into two parts helps a lot. 1-11 is mainly talking about the events that will be taking place at the end of days. 12-22, which starts with the very beginning of things (think Genesis) and ends with the end times, gives a more macro overview of events from beginning to end and then goes more into some of the events of God’s wrath, Armageddon, the millennial reign, and the battle of Gog and Magog. Daniel’s 70th week (7 years of tribulation) lines up with the events of the seals and vials. Between the 5th and 6th seal the antichrist receives a wound to his head. The beast takes over his body on the third day and their is a false resurrection. The Bible makes a distinction by saying he who was, and is not, and yet is. Meaning he was alive, and is now dead but yet still alive (but really it’s the beast who has taken over). Remember satan is the great deceiver, and will try and deceive all by making it appear that the Antichrist is the second coming of Christ. All that don’t worship and take the mark of the beast in their right hand or forehead will be persecuted and many will be beheaded. This 75 day period is the Great Tribulation. God sends his son Jesus Christ to intervene on the sake of the elect (Mathew 24) and comes in the clouds and the elect is caught up with Him in the clouds. The Latin word for caught up is raptus, which is why the word rapture is frequently used. Hope that helps a bit!
@@JohnWick-zr7ip so I'm trying to read Revelations differently now. it seems like you are referring to something like a mid tribulation rapture? Those 75 days are where do you think within those 7 years? I definitely appreciate your wisdom so far.
Michael Wallace the easiest way to think about it is as a post-tribulation pre-wrath rapture. From the opening of the first seal, which is where the Antichrist confirms a covenant with many for one week, there will be 1335 days until the rapture. Daniel 12:12 “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.” The 75 days of great tribulation is the last 75 days of the 1335 days, when the abomination of desolation (the beast) emerges through a false resurrection of the Antichrist. The beast will demand that all worship him and take the mark of the beast. Those who do not, a great many will be killed (a vast amount will be beheaded). That 75 day period is referred to as the great tribulation when the abomination of desolation is persecuting the elect. This is what will prompt the intercession of Jesus Christ at the behest of The Father to gather His elect so that they will be spared. After the rapture, the 7th seal is opened and God begins to pour out his wrath. The 7 trumpets and 7 vials follow and are spread out over the remaining 3 1/2 years of the entire 7 year period mentioned in the book of Daniel. The ending of this period occurs with the battle of Armageddon.
I do believe in pre-tribulation. In the world we will have tribulations. (Troubles) not Great Tribulation!! Second,. You are putting the church and the tribulation saints as one people. The church is spared the test that comes on all the earth. Explain this Dr. Brown,. Why is it that the church is dressed in fine linen, get crowns, white rock with new name, has a seder with Jesus in the wedding of the lamb, goes through the tribune judgement, church comes down with Jesus in the clouds on white horses, will be priest in the Millennium then go to the new Jerusalem. And the tribulation saints dress in white robes, get killed and get salvation bc of their TESTIMONY ,(not by grace). The go to the bowl of God's wrath, resurrect in the Millennium, and they are judged in the great white throne, finally they get palm leaves and are in God's temple for ever. When The Holy Spirit is taken so that the Lawless man can be revealed, The church has to go with The Holy Spirit bc HE is the church's seal . In the Great Tribulation The Law of Moses is reinstated, that's how Israelites know The antichrist is not Meshiach and reject him. Please explain your readings of these scriptures.
0:47 The beat died 2001. A few months before nine eleven. And the nation of the beast is now a headless chick running around without even understanding it'S living its last moment. Wanna know more? TTYoJD.
9:38 I totally agree that the trebulation has been deadly enough already. Let's go ahead and get beyond that.
10:25 My rabbis says the flood is Noah's fault for being untrustful in the ability of humanity to repent. They say, it's still unclear to me, that Abraham brought techouva, he repented, on his reincarnation lineage, in his gilgoulim(plural), and that's because he trusted in humanity's ability to repent that he repented for Noah's fault. That means, just like Jonas to Niniveh, that God changes his mind whenever it pleases him. He's able of forgiveness, and he's able to cancel previously expressed consequences such as, the wrath. If we believe humankind can be saved, we mightn't see the consequences such as these explained in the apocalypse. Go be-good. Bible ends saying "Do not change the meaning of the texts, do not add to these texts..." "Those who alter the texts will see the events described in the apocalypse" "Those who removes text will see their place removed from heaven". Go be-good, my Johnnies and Jeanettes.
18:55 The beast is dead. We live in a Bonus era. Whatever it could be called. Wanna know more? TTYoJD.
23:07 Ano-Domini lasted for 2k years already. The beast is dead. Whether Jesus is coming soon, sooner or much sooner, all that counts is that he's coming back. We should be readier than if the queen or president was visiting home tomorrow. Plus, if we're ready to welcome Jesus in our home, then in our heart, a queen or a president would feel comfortable enough to come in joyful, stay joyful and leave joyful.
27:01 Jews believes in trinity. The rouahr hakadosh(the goly spirit, the breathe of God). The messiah(who's theirs, by the way, shouldn't ever be ashamed of that fact). The creator(who's our God). (Hey, is that lil guy yours?) (What has he done wrong again?) (Nothing wrong, he saved humankind 2000 years ago. Saved it from itself)
28:14 I'm slowly reading Rabi Moshe Hayim Lumzato's Derekh Hachem. Today. As i watch your video. Today. Ramhal explains that God has memory, he has will, he has imagination, just like us, but that it's all One, while for us, it's separated components. God is unity.
Tetragrammaton. From Youd to kHé. Us beings, RNA, and DNA. And the creator, the spirit and the offspring. The word of creation, its meaning, and its result. The holy breathe engendering life purposely.
30:00 I couldn't phrase it exactly, but i remember Jesus saying first, don'T wast your time gazing at the stars... And don't look for signs everywhere and anywhere, there won't be. How it was worded precisely? I'm clueless.
The seven great Empires Vs. Israel , in the end it will somehow be reversed Israel Vs. A combination of the previous seven ..my question : what if Israel controlling World events ..what if World leaders have constructed this somehow so that they can show the World who God really is ! ...I always say perhaps it will be the Serpents turn to be put to the test. My reason and biggest question being sentient beings dont have the right to test the creator? for we are living entity that feels also just as creator albeit to a lesser extent but still sometimes life does feel very challenging. Very. ...somehow someone or something in back of my mind is telling me this is exactly what is going to happen! ..that it will be our turn , humanity, to test the serpent ...I mean no blasphemy but only understanding..God Bless ..
The very same word REVELATION means disclosure... 602. apokalupsis ap-ok-al'-oop-sis from 601; disclosure:--appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation. (Strong's Greek Lexicon)
Muslims believe Muhammad is their "Excellent Example". Christians know Jesus Yeshua is OUR excellent example. He was CRUCIFIED for us, so how do we say we will not be "crucified" (put to death, suffer tribulation) for HIM?
That day will not come.... What day? The day of the Lord. What is the day of the Lord? Christ's return, 7th trump if you were to leave it at that.
Who is the man of sin? Put together the several verses in chapter 2 of 2nd Thessalonians that talk about this. Clearly this is the Anti-Christ, not some evil guy. He will destroy this man of sin or lawlessness by the brightness of His coming. But you have to read nearly all the verses of this chapter.
When is the restrainer removed? Could it be before the Tribulation period, the most horrible, worst time of all time?
There are very specific things that make it clear in chapter 2 what Paul is talking about. Christ's return to gather His people will not happen until the two events he points out in Chapter 2. The mass apostacy and the Anti-Christ sitting in the Temple equating himself with God or maybe even claiming to be God, but either one. Fine. There has to be a Temple in Jerusalem which is coming soon, the plans are already in place. The 7 year peace treaty with Israel will be in place, I suspect before the Temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem. [I suspect (off the subject) that the 7 year peace treaty is the beginning of the 7 year tribulation period.]
The more you delve into what Paul, really God, is telling us in chapter 2, the more you will see and the more specific it will become. I did this recently with the question of the timing on my mind. I realized afterwards that I had done the same thing 30 years before and came to the same point - 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2.
There are no other verses that clearly (emphasis on clearly) talk about the timing, although this doesn't tell you when. It just tells you that it will not happen until the two events occur. If we approach the Bible with the idea of it giving us the information, the conclusion is pretty inescapable. If we approach the Bible on this question from another viewpoint, who knows what we will come up with.
I'll give you an example. I was shocked frankly to find that some very good Bible teachers, who are firmly Pre-Trib, pointed to 2 Thes 2 but only the first few verses, not the entire chapter. One of my favorite Bible teachers, I was surprised to find, leaves out verses 4 on. And then I read commentary from another favorite Bible teacher who did the exact same thing. They were both flat out wrong to do this but they did. Doesn't mean they aren't great teachers, but in this case they were wrong. You can easily think the man of sin or lawlessness is someone other than the Anti-Christ IF you stop at verse 3.
It's kind of like saying, "You will know the truth and the truth will set you free." That is wrong as wrong can be. That is not what God is saying and forgive me for paraphrasing, but the full verse as I recall is talking about people that are true followers of Christ. That is verse John 8:32 but leaving out the first word and the previous sentence which is all important, John 8:31. IF you follow my teachings, then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. Check it out. It is one of the most wrongly applied verses - that is, out of context, that I commonly hear said. If you are my disciple and follow my teachings - then.......
To be raptured out of here? Oh, I am an orthodox christian my whole life and this has never been taught, and I know for a fact that neither roman catholics nor anglicans nor any european main protestant denomination (lutherans & calvinists) have that. So, who came up with this "rapture" idea in the first place? It seems some of the many heresies since the beginning of the Church. I once even met a "christian" who was convincing me that Christ was NOT crucified on friday (straight against the holy Apostles).
The downside to the US innumerable denominations and their "I interpret the Scripture the way I THINK is right" attitude.
The Rapture is in the Bible 1st Thessalonians 4:17. He was made up by God.
Nemija.. pffft....I years ago searched on this. 300-400AD a man that preached and wrote hymns wrote about "caught up before the great trib". scrolls they have them.. I read that one.
Then some man on TV show'd them! Then he found more where people talked about caught up before the 7 years.
And I read my bible. Jesus said He went back to make us a home and if He left He will come back and get us.. so WHERE He is we will be. I then read on.. voice shout trump.. dead rise then we with them..to meet Christ in the air to be with Him forever.. comfort one another with these words (try to comfort someone with..your going to SUFFER REALLY BAD..you have to stay).
See.. I am one of those..but I am not like most. For me it HAS to be written. And PRE trib mid trib post trib are NOT in the bible. So LIVE for JESUS NOW! Expect Him now.. you will never miss Him
JESUS IS REAL! Go for it.. I DARE YOU! Ask JESUS.. not man.. HIM should I LIVE for you expect you NOW or have faith know in a day you never promised me in the 1st place? THINK!
You live for Jesus..not Dr Browns way or my way.. you seek you search you pray. Wise to ask listen but in the end.. if we follow some MAN we only see believe what they believe.. expect JESUS NOW! AWESOME to always thinking living for HIM NOW!
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Brother, I know this is how most american christians (how many of them are there today?) experience and understand Christ.
This is a fallen world, we are so corrupted and astray, our souls are worse than a body on metastases, black and subdued to every single passion there is. To think it is enough to simply WISH to commune with the Most Pure and Holy Trinity, and "snap" - it happens, is a serious abomination. It is such a shame that US christians have lost the 2-millennia unbroken patristic thread (it is the ultimate psychoanalysis really, so detailed and demanding) based on experiences, temptations, revelations (both false and real), and are left completely alone today, without guidance, unaware of spiritual traps everywhere around us (example: people would think: my God! there is an angel apoeared in front of me, I'm feeling so alive! And without blinking one would start communion with him, not knowing that it is almost certainly a demonic deception). But, I am hoping that God alone can help you people, when there is no one else left to take your hand and guide you safely through the valley of shadow and death. Stay well!
Ive looked at all the raptures mentioned in revelation they all came out of great tribulation and were dead the only ones raptured that were apparently alive were the 144000 Israelites. so where is the one that includes we which remain alive. this does not mean i believe pretrib because im comforted but i see it as scriptual. nor do i believe we will necessarily escape persecution its beginning now and has been going on somewhere throughout christian history, nor does it mean we have to be persecuted. my mother died a Christian and was never persecuted.
2nd coming has happened already ...why do u think there were two world wars....the 1st coming in daniel 7: 13-14... Is exactly like mathew ..mark..luke....coming in the clouds....then it is the 1st judgement...then GODs 6000 year plan of redemption is done then it is the 1000 year Millennium reign of CHRIST.. ( sabbaths) then it is desolation of earth isaiah 24....then the book of life is opened.....