Arranging marriages in childhood or even infancy wasn’t at all unusual for royalty at the time. Royal marriages were seen as a way to form alliances between royal houses and children were simply pawns.
It's often underestimated how much of a catch Catherine of Aragon actually was at the time. She came from some of the best lineage in Europe. The Tudors were a relatively new house and their lineage was suspicious propped up by Elizabeth of York's lineage.
Yes. Henry VII practically went begging Isabella and Ferdinand to have Catherine marry Arthur. She was very much a catch, as well as being very beautiful in her youth (and, note to movie producers everywhere, she was a blue-eyed redhead!). Meanwhile Henry VII’s claim to the throne was mostly through Elizabeth of York. And his partisans were suspiciously insistent that Grandpa Owen Tudor and Grandma Catherine of France were oh so very legally officially married (a Very Big Deal back then), when in fact there was no solid proof, though legal marriage was a much more loosely-goosey affair back then.
@@CatFurniture974 You know nothing about my own factually proven Tudor DNA Ancestry. Oh and, by the way, King Henry VII married his own Cousin Elizabeth of York, as they were both Great Grandchildren through John of Gaunt. So King Henry VII's claim to the throne was NOT mostly through Elizabeth of York. Got that?!
@@HelenTudor-DouglasTime for your meds. The only claim henry7 had was bc of the battlefield. J of gaunts kids thru his side piece that were later legitimized was on the contingency they had ZERO right to the throne.
King Henry's illegitimate son, with Bessie Blount, also died very youg "Blount's relationship with Henry VIII lasted for some time, compared to his other affairs, which were generally short-lived and unacknowledged. While Henry and his first wife were unsuccessful at producing a male heir to the throne, Henry had a healthy son by Blount, her first pregnancy and her only child by the king. On 15 June 1519, Blount bore the King an illegitimate son who was named Henry FitzRoy, later created Duke of Richmond and Somerset and Earl of Nottingham. He was the only illegitimate son of Henry VIII whom the King acknowledged as his own.[14] After the child's birth, the affair ended for unknown reasons although it is thought that the resulting child was more of a happy accident than an attempted career move.[9] For proving that King Henry was capable of fathering healthy sons, Elizabeth Blount prompted a popular saying, "Bless 'ee, Bessie Blount", often heard during and after this period."
I think it was likely an influenza like virus- you can have variants that crop up from time to time that are more virulent. Remember the Spanish Flu epidemic in the early 20th C was particularly deadly for younger people.
Arthur and Henry DID NOT share a nursery. Arthur had his own household at 6 Weeks old away from his parents and siblings, and by 1493 Arthur had been sent, with his household to Ludlow on the Welsh border. Arthur and Henry hardly knew each other, and were virtual.strangers.
@@donnadees1971 its well documented that the eldest son was sent to Ludlow Castle in the Marches to be brought up and trained to be a king when he was toddler age.
This is awful narative. Arthur was so called to emphasise the Welsh origin of the Tudors and to herald a new dawn, as did the mythical King Arthur. As for marriage. It was perfectly normal for royal parents to betroth their children at a very early age.
Arthur and Catherine of Aragon weren’t the only ones on record to have a bedding ceremony, theirs was actually less common as normally the king and other nobles would watch as the marriage was consummated. They did this with Henri II and Catherine De Medici when they were married as teens.
@@56beverleythere are tons of historical inaccuracies and miss pronunciations throughout this video. And whether it’s AI or a real person narrating, it’s awful.
But think of all the movies and tv shows we would be denied! Lol, sarcasm intended on that, but we did get the Elizabethan Age, even though there were some dicey times to get there. Just goes to show that good can come out of bad eventually.
@@helene4397 There is some speculation that she did have a disorder from all the royal inbreeding that would've allowed the birth of a healthy daughter, but then no subsequent healthy pregnancies. Not sure how accurate that is because I think she did have other children that just didn't survive more than a few days. You're right, it might have been just as difficult for her to give Arthur a son as it was for her to do so for Henry. You make a good point.
I still don't understand the news here? What was the newly discovered cause of Arthur's death? Was he chronically sick before entering the marriage? Did his doctors hide a potentially fatal condition of Arthur from Henry,7? Did anyone in the royal household have a clue what happened to him apart from sweating sickness? He was eager to consumate the marriage.Did he want to do it to please his family or was he really in love with Catherine? What did he know about her? Was he interested in women before he met her? I don't think, that 15 is too young to have sex. It's definitivly too young to get married, but teenagers are curious, especially teenage boys. If he was shy, that wouldn't have meant that he was hesitant, but not that he wouldn't have tried to consumate the marriage after getting to know her.
I have always heard Arthur died of English sweating sickness, later to be known as hantavirus. Hantavirus is a zoonotic disease. Given the time period, he probably caught it from rats in the castle, and poor hygiene by everyone around him
It is proven that rats did not cause the plague. Human beings filthy living behaviours did! As still now, irresponsible overbeeding humans create squalor, starvation and diseases. WHO tries to promote responsible creation of children, but are ignored, so heartbreakingly, more innocent babies are born into hellholes in this World 😔 ...and it's 2024 Will humans ever change Or does The Planet have to be overrun with too many of them, for these types to become responsible and stop their egos and arrogance? The men are the cause, but the women don't stand together and stop it!
I've never understood why, when they were engaged for ten years, Catherine didn't learn English. For heaven's sake, she was to be Queen. And it wouldn't have killed Arthur to learn Spanish.
@@LeonieRomanesArthur comes from the Mabinogion, the stories were taken from Cymru to France, translated to Norman French then taken to the English court…& adopted…..Tristan & Isolde also comes from the same source along with the Bran tales…
Henry VII claimed that he was descended from Welsh royalty. Arthur was more serious but less bold than Henry. As romantic as Arthur was, it is hard tobrlirvr yhr msrrisge wasn't consummated, It is possible that Arthur suffered from a serious contagious disease such as the sweating sickness. Henry was not a warrior king. He was very much behind the lines at his battle with Richard III. Catherine hinted that she was pregnant after Arthur's death. There was little mention of Arthut's weak before his final illness. If he was unhealthy, Arthur would not have been allowed to
And stories are exactly what they are. Historians agree that Arthur's health was poor from the start and the family were always worried for him. He died of what was known as the Sweating Sickness. No one to this day has identified this illness and its thought its just one which has died out like some others did. Also calling Henry 7th the 'Great Warrior King' is completely false. The last one who fitted this was Richard 3rd in 1485. Henry was never in the front lines of any battle and was protected on the sidelines. This was even the case when he won his throne.
My DNA Great Great (many times over) Grandfather King Henry VII WAS in the front lines at the Battle of Bosworth. Richard was charging at My Fighting In The Front Lines Grandfather, when Richard was killed. King Henry VII fought in many battles, long before Bosworth. Your Information is, verifiably, ALL Incorrect & merely your own opinion...worthless.
@@HelenTudor-DouglasRichard fought to slay Henry, Henry’s body guard fought to make sure that didn’t happen. Only Tudor propaganda says Henry was fighting `bravely’. He wasn’t a warrior he was an accountant. Then he had the gall to date his reign to the day before the battle.
@@canuck3169 He was BOTH an accountant and a warrior. Instead of merely trusting your own incorrect opinion, I suggest you read books that contain the info from verified written proof of men who fought in Bosworth, who stated whom King Henry VII fought against in battle, on that day. Also, it's not "he had the gall to date his reign to the day before the battle", it's so he could brand his prisoners as the traitors, that they were. That was a very clever move on my Great Grandfathers part. More clever than any "incorrect self opinion you state".
@@HelenTudor-Douglas Tudor propaganda, he `led’ safely from behind. The maps of the battle show his positioning-the rear. No one was going to criticise the thin skinned penny grubber after Bosworth. He had no lawful claim to the throne through the Tudors, and none through the Beauforts who were only legitimised on condition they and their descendants were barred from taking the throne. Richard was proclaimed by Parliament and consecrated by the Church. It wasn’t clever, it was an act of greed to attainder the men lawfully fighting for their king. Henry had NO honour.
I don’t think Arthur’s death “ended the English Monarchy”. I think you should be careful what you say, that’s completely inaccurate. AI? Plague is not pronounced plag… I’m not sure AI would make THAT mistake….
Henry VII did have royal blood. He was a grandson of Catherine of France, daughter of the king who Henry V defeated at Agincourt. She married Henry V and they had a son, Henry VI. Then Henry V died and Catherine fell in love with courtier Owen Tudor a nobleman from Wales. She married him in secret and gave birth to Edmund Tudor. Edmond in turn married Margaret Beaufort, a descendent of king Edward III by his son John of Gaunt and his mistress Kathryn Swinford. Gaunt had married Kathryn eventually and legitimized their children. But Henry IV (Gaunt’s son by his first wife) blocked the Beauforts from ascending to the throne. Clearly, the Beaufort -Tudor alliance had other ideas. So, Henry VII was descended from two kings and in the end, probably had as much a claim to the throne as any of his cousins that slaughtered each other during the war of the roses.
This is so poorly written and narrated, so sloppy and misleading, I couldn’t even continue to see what crazy theory they propose for Arthur’s death. It’s so bad that calling it sensationalized is almost a compliment.
King Henry VIII was actually a good king until his almost fatal jousting accident in which he suffered a really bad blow & injury to his head. He really went off the rails after that head injury unfortunately. His whole personality & emotional makeup changed drastically for the worse from that time.
I agree: from everything I read, he suffered from static traumatic encepalopathy, which is what destroys the brains of football players. Henry did go to lengths to divorce Catherine, but it was after his injury - where he lay unconscious for two hours - that he started all the tyranny, beheading wives, torturing subjects, horrible temper, that we know of him today. The jousting accident probably left him with a very severe and lasting TBI, and it wasn’t understood then how that affects the personality.
Indeed, Plus his health. He died prematurely, At the end he was desperately trying to secure the future of his son Edward by dictating the terms of the succession. succession. Edward was very young/ He fell under the spell of radical protestants. Mary is remembered as a religious fanatic but Edward was a child and so as intolerant of dissenters both Catholic and protestant as a bright child can be. He died at 15, the same age as Arthur. His handlers were desperate to deprive Mary of the throne that they, and tried to install an innocent young woman as just another pawn. The attempted coup deeply upset Mary. which seems to have prompted the purge that even her young spanish husband opposed, On this latter fact, it must be remembered that Lutheranism had so little purchase in Spain that the inquisition had to end any energy on it until it began to affect the netherlands. Elizabethan Propoganda has so much become history that we are ignorant that the Inquisition in Spain was still far more worried about Jews and Muslims than the easily contained Lutherans.
😢Total lack of hygeine, dirty contaminated drinking water, contaminated fish, meat, prepared with filthy hands or just born weak wifh some unknown illness of which the list could be very long. Or simply poisoned?
They were married in the old St Paul's Cathedral which burned down during the Great Fire of London in 1666. The present cathedral designed by Christopher Wren is its replacement.
No. In those days it was called the sweating sickness. Modern medicine have never been able to identify it and its thought its one of those which burnt itself out over time.
You certainly laid the modern moral standards on with a trowel without considering those of the period, i.e. there was very little privacy least wise such a thing such as a bedroom. Historically, a bed, matress and all of its linen was valued on par with a luxury car and worthy of placement in a will. In short, this isn't history but an exercise in "weren't those royals weird" snark. Amusing, titillating, but history? No.
The narrator's tone of voice would have been more easily accepted had he not tried to use it to get across to the listener the feeling of incredulity. I found that as well as certain comments inappropriate because the narrator was making judgment calls on a society that he has no real understanding. Many royal betrothals took place at an extremely early age & it wasn't uncommon for the girl to go live with her "husband's" family. As for Arthur being expected to "bed" his bride when he was 15 had nothing whatsoever to do with being ready to be a "responsible" husband. This union happened to be one in which the couple were closer in age than most. If the narrator would have done his research, he wouldn't have made such disdainful comments.
So, Prince Arthur possibly died from an airborne virus then .. He would have been a good King, unlike his shameful brother Henry.😕😕😕 Prince Arthur resembled his father King Henry vii. Henry, on the other hand was a poor excuse of a King, perhaps his sisters should have been chosen as Queen over that brat Henry.
I wonder if they understood female anatomy back then. They might have known a woman to bleed but not the reason why? Doctors didn’t yet dissect bodies, still believed in disease being caused by “bad humours” in the blood.
Virginity checks are unreliable. Hymens can vary greatly. Some may have closed off the birth canal so much that surgery would be needed for sex to be possible. Others may be either hard to see or are weak enough to have torn without sex having occurred.
@@TheHistoryExpose Then you should be even more ashamed. The way various words are miss pronounced in this video is atrocious. Also the individual’s lack of intonation and rhythm is horrible. This video also has within it several historical inaccuracies. You do know there are people out there with History degrees and who are experts subject to watching your videos? Not everyone who just happens across your videos is going to be so much of a moron as to think this is good material in any way shape or form. Your channel has a hell of a lot of work to do if it’s not doing to crash and burn. The only thing I can say I liked is how you used imagery from the Stars tv show “The Spanish Princess” which happens to be the most accurate casting as to what both Catherine and Arthur may have actually looked like. Every other modern tv show casts Catherine as a dark haired brunette when she actually didn’t have dark hair at all. And the hair cut on Arthur in “The Spanish Princess” is relatively historically accurate. But that’s you using someone else’s material copied and pasted into your video, everything else in your video left much to be desired. Don’t treat or assume your audience is stupid.
King arthur was fighting the anglo saxon invasions of england..he was far from english..likely a roman centurian or a britonic warrior (welsh, cornish), or a mix of the tw0
It was always more of a risk for a princess than for a prince. Case in point - Katarina should have been sent home after Arthur's death. Instead, she was kept hostage.
She wasn’t kept hostage. Isabella and Ferdinand intended to have her married to Arthur’s brother Henry. They petitioned the Pope for a dispensation, and never insisted that Catherine return. Isabella might have eventually insisted on Catherine’s return, but she died. Ferdinand ended up having Catherine act as an informal ambassador for a time: he had no intention of paying the remaining dowry that was due as a part of Catherine’s and Arthur’s marriage contract.
Goodness! The "worst" monarch? OK, there could be a theory that he was the worst " Man" to ascend the throne - though even this is debatable. (I'd agree with those who consider that the title of "worst Monarch AND 'man'" goes to George IV, but there are other contenders in the list). And, after all, Henry only beheaded 2 of his wives!😑 Many people bring up the age thing based on to-day's societal structure. Completely forgetting that being a "teenager" is a modern construct brought in after WWII - until then the ages for marriage could be much younger than today: girls became marriage prospects once they'd started to menstruate (from around 11 onwards). While males were considered always to be up for it!
The Pope gave his disposition for Catherine of Aragon to marry Henry regardless of whether she had consummated her marriage to Arthur. In other words it did not matter. Henry tried to use that later when he needed an excuse to divorce Catherine But it was political. The pope granted the disposition and it was OK for katherine and Henry to marry regardless of whether she had consummated her marriage to Arthur or not.
Special permission from the Pope for Catherine to marry Henry is a little strange, seeing as the law required Henry to marry the widow of his deceased brother, and to bring forth a child in Arthur's name - as is recorded in the Bible as Mosaic and Christian Law. The Pope is supposed to uphold the laws of Moses.
Im sorry, im going to have to find a channel that can get to the point, rather than spending so much time being outraged that 15th century people didn't do things the way 21st century people think they should. When studying other times, and other people, we need to take into consideration what was culturally appropriate in their milieu, not ours.
Rip-off!!! Intro promises new insights into the cause of Arthur's death, but it's just a robotic recitation of well known facts, with one brief reference to sweating sickness - nothing new, there. Waste of time.
Ya think? Well, why is this anything like surprising, knowing as very many do, our guy-type proclivities . . . when none are observing? SUCH self-injuring hypocrites we are. (Well, way too many at least.) Are we TO EVER escape this particular most painful trap of denial?
I've always wondered what would have happened if Arthur had been the King.
Had Arthur lived to be king, perhaps England would've remained Catholic. 🤔
@@melissakrauss9180 Read The Alteration.
Nobody lose their head
Arranging marriages in childhood or even infancy wasn’t at all unusual for royalty at the time. Royal marriages were seen as a way to form alliances between royal houses and children were simply pawns.
It's often underestimated how much of a catch Catherine of Aragon actually was at the time. She came from some of the best lineage in Europe. The Tudors were a relatively new house and their lineage was suspicious propped up by Elizabeth of York's lineage.
Yes. Henry VII practically went begging Isabella and Ferdinand to have Catherine marry Arthur. She was very much a catch, as well as being very beautiful in her youth (and, note to movie producers everywhere, she was a blue-eyed redhead!). Meanwhile Henry VII’s claim to the throne was mostly through Elizabeth of York. And his partisans were suspiciously insistent that Grandpa Owen Tudor and Grandma Catherine of France were oh so very legally officially married (a Very Big Deal back then), when in fact there was no solid proof, though legal marriage was a much more loosely-goosey affair back then.
@@CatFurniture974 You know nothing about my own factually proven Tudor DNA Ancestry. Oh and, by the way, King Henry VII married his own Cousin Elizabeth of York, as they were both Great Grandchildren through John of Gaunt. So King Henry VII's claim to the throne was NOT mostly through Elizabeth of York. Got that?!
@@HelenTudor-DouglasTime for your meds. The only claim henry7 had was bc of the battlefield. J of gaunts kids thru his side piece that were later legitimized was on the contingency they had ZERO right to the throne.
@@cplmpcocptcl6306 Somebody left a door open, up at the funny farm.
Maybe Ludlow Castle had mold, bad water or something in the walls that caused them both to get so sick.
King Henry's illegitimate son, with Bessie Blount, also died very youg
"Blount's relationship with Henry VIII lasted for some time, compared to his other affairs, which were generally short-lived and
unacknowledged. While Henry and his first wife were unsuccessful at producing a male heir to the throne, Henry had a healthy son
by Blount, her first pregnancy and her only child by the king. On 15 June 1519, Blount bore the King an illegitimate son who was
named Henry FitzRoy, later created Duke of Richmond and Somerset and Earl of Nottingham. He was the only illegitimate son of
Henry VIII whom the King acknowledged as his own.[14] After the child's birth, the affair ended for unknown reasons although it is
thought that the resulting child was more of a happy accident than an attempted career move.[9] For proving that King Henry was
capable of fathering healthy sons, Elizabeth Blount prompted a popular saying, "Bless 'ee, Bessie Blount", often heard during and
after this period."
I think it was likely an influenza like virus- you can have variants that crop up from time to time that are more virulent. Remember the Spanish Flu epidemic in the early 20th C was particularly deadly for younger people.
Arthur and Henry DID NOT share a nursery. Arthur had his own household at 6 Weeks old away from his parents and siblings, and by 1493 Arthur had been sent, with his household to Ludlow on the Welsh border. Arthur and Henry hardly knew each other, and were virtual.strangers.
Arthur often stayed at Haddon Hall in Derbyshire too.
You are correct, they never shared a nursery together.
Gee, how do we know…?
@@donnadees1971 its well documented that the eldest son was sent to Ludlow Castle in the Marches to be brought up and trained to be a king when he was toddler age.
@@donnadees1971 records. This wasnt prehistory.
This is awful narative. Arthur was so called to emphasise the Welsh origin of the Tudors and to herald a new dawn, as did the mythical King Arthur. As for marriage. It was perfectly normal for royal parents to betroth their children at a very early age.
Arthur and Catherine of Aragon weren’t the only ones on record to have a bedding ceremony, theirs was actually less common as normally the king and other nobles would watch as the marriage was consummated. They did this with Henri II and Catherine De Medici when they were married as teens.
Yes. Just one of many mistakes in the video.
Yes, but this was unusual in England. Henri II and CDM's bedding ceremony happened in France.
@@56beverleythere are tons of historical inaccuracies and miss pronunciations throughout this video. And whether it’s AI or a real person narrating, it’s awful.
@@bopbopanna Ah! The perfect country for bedding ceremonies, in naughty wonderful France! -- YES!!!
They didn’t say it was the only one on record, just the only one on record *in the sixteenth century*.
Damn, the past really did suck. How different the world would be had Arthur lived. Certainly better than Henry.
What if Catherinr of Aragon still had problems of producing a son who would survive infancy?
But think of all the movies and tv shows we would be denied! Lol, sarcasm intended on that, but we did get the Elizabethan Age, even though there were some dicey times to get there. Just goes to show that good can come out of bad eventually.
@@helene4397 There is some speculation that she did have a disorder from all the royal inbreeding that would've allowed the birth of a healthy daughter, but then no subsequent healthy pregnancies. Not sure how accurate that is because I think she did have other children that just didn't survive more than a few days. You're right, it might have been just as difficult for her to give Arthur a son as it was for her to do so for Henry. You make a good point.
@@elizabethnavarre7972as Henry VIII many wives have shown. Its not entirely all on Catherine
On the other hand, we would not have had Queen Elizabeth!
I still don't understand the news here?
What was the newly discovered cause of Arthur's death? Was he chronically sick before entering the marriage?
Did his doctors hide a potentially fatal condition of Arthur from Henry,7?
Did anyone in the royal household have a clue what happened to him apart from sweating sickness?
He was eager to consumate the marriage.Did he want to do it to please his family or was he really in love with Catherine?
What did he know about her? Was he interested in women before he met her?
I don't think, that 15 is too young to have sex. It's definitivly too young to get married, but teenagers are curious, especially teenage boys. If he was shy, that wouldn't have meant that he was hesitant, but not that he wouldn't have tried to consumate the marriage after getting to know her.
So, Henry VIII's source of neurosis is that he was a "spare"?
Good one !
I’m trying desperately to understand why humans aren’t narrating. AI narration drives me insane.
It’s human?
You think this is AI narration?
If it's AI, it's pretty good, I think.
Yes I hate the robot voices too. I mean WestmInsiter instead of Westminster. And Plarge instead of plague.
It's not A I! Get over it
I have always heard Arthur died of English sweating sickness, later to be known as hantavirus. Hantavirus is a zoonotic disease. Given the time period, he probably caught it from rats in the castle, and poor hygiene by everyone around him
You're are correct, Arthur did die of sweating sickness.
I have always heard that modern medicine has never been able to identify it.
Yes there was a plague.
It is proven that rats did not cause the plague.
Human beings filthy living behaviours did!
As still now, irresponsible overbeeding humans create squalor, starvation and diseases.
WHO tries to promote responsible creation of children, but are ignored, so heartbreakingly, more innocent babies are born into hellholes in this World 😔
...and it's 2024
Will humans ever change
Or does The Planet have to be overrun with too many of them, for these types to become responsible and stop their egos and arrogance?
The men are the cause, but the women don't stand together and stop it!
I thought hanta was caused by the feces of deer mice? 🤔
I've never understood why, when they were engaged for ten years, Catherine didn't learn English. For heaven's sake, she was to be Queen. And it wouldn't have killed Arthur to learn Spanish.
They communicated in Latin. Good Catholics.
@CooperCapturesGallery Well, apparently it did?
Since she was to be the queen of England, you'd think some English would have been included in her education.
True, that!
Arthur was WELSH hero, NOT an English hero!
Yes, no Anglo's in Britain at that time
@@LeonieRomanesArthur comes from the Mabinogion, the stories were taken from Cymru to France, translated to Norman French then taken to the English court…& adopted…..Tristan & Isolde also comes from the same source along with the Bran tales…
Henry VII claimed that he was descended from Welsh royalty. Arthur was more serious but less bold than Henry. As romantic as Arthur was, it is hard tobrlirvr yhr msrrisge wasn't consummated, It is possible that Arthur suffered from a serious contagious disease such as the sweating
sickness. Henry was not a warrior king. He was very much behind the lines at his battle with Richard III. Catherine hinted that she was pregnant after Arthur's death. There was little mention of Arthut's weak before his final illness. If he was unhealthy, Arthur would not have been allowed to
And stories are exactly what they are. Historians agree that Arthur's health was poor from the start and the family were always worried for him. He died of what was known as the Sweating Sickness. No one to this day has identified this illness and its thought its just one which has died out like some others did. Also calling Henry 7th the 'Great Warrior King' is completely false. The last one who fitted this was Richard 3rd in 1485. Henry was never in the front lines of any battle and was protected on the sidelines. This was even the case when he won his throne.
Richard should have been so wise,
My DNA Great Great (many times over) Grandfather King Henry VII WAS in the front lines at the Battle of Bosworth. Richard was charging at My Fighting In The Front Lines Grandfather, when Richard was killed. King Henry VII fought in many battles, long before Bosworth. Your Information is, verifiably, ALL Incorrect & merely your own opinion...worthless.
@@HelenTudor-DouglasRichard fought to slay Henry, Henry’s body guard fought to make sure that didn’t happen. Only Tudor propaganda says Henry was fighting `bravely’. He wasn’t a warrior he was an accountant. Then he had the gall to date his reign to the day before the battle.
@@canuck3169 He was BOTH an accountant and a warrior. Instead of merely trusting your own incorrect opinion, I suggest you read books that contain the info from verified written proof of men who fought in Bosworth, who stated whom King Henry VII fought against in battle, on that day. Also, it's not "he had the gall to date his reign to the day before the battle", it's so he could brand his prisoners as the traitors, that they were. That was a very clever move on my Great Grandfathers part. More clever than any "incorrect self opinion you state".
@@HelenTudor-Douglas Tudor propaganda, he `led’ safely from behind. The maps of the battle show his positioning-the rear. No one was going to criticise the thin skinned penny grubber after Bosworth. He had no lawful claim to the throne through the Tudors, and none through the Beauforts who were only legitimised on condition they and their descendants were barred from taking the throne. Richard was proclaimed by Parliament and consecrated by the Church. It wasn’t clever, it was an act of greed to attainder the men lawfully fighting for their king. Henry had NO honour.
Wow, this plays fast and loose with history. It sounds like a teenager wrote it. Not sticking around.
Yes that's exactly what I thought 1 minute in. Nice story but inaccurate.
And calling Henry 7th a great warrior king? He was the furthest removed from that its possible to be!
I don’t think Arthur’s death “ended the English Monarchy”. I think you should be careful what you say, that’s completely inaccurate. AI? Plague is not pronounced plag… I’m not sure AI would make THAT mistake….
Henry VII did have royal blood. He was a grandson of Catherine of France, daughter of the king who Henry V defeated at Agincourt. She married Henry V and they had a son, Henry VI. Then Henry V died and Catherine fell in love with courtier Owen Tudor a nobleman from Wales. She married him in secret and gave birth to Edmund Tudor. Edmond in turn married Margaret Beaufort, a descendent of king Edward III by his son John of Gaunt and his mistress Kathryn Swinford. Gaunt had married Kathryn eventually and legitimized their children. But Henry IV (Gaunt’s son by his first wife) blocked the Beauforts from ascending to the throne. Clearly, the Beaufort -Tudor alliance had other ideas. So, Henry VII was descended from two kings and in the end, probably had as much a claim to the throne as any of his cousins that slaughtered each other during the war of the roses.
Thank you for your Truthful, Factual Comments, about my own DNA Great Grandfather King Henry VII, much appreciated.
But he was still a regicide and usurper.
awesome , i love it when you project your present morals on the past, read a book please
This is so poorly written and narrated, so sloppy and misleading, I couldn’t even continue to see what crazy theory they propose for Arthur’s death. It’s so bad that calling it sensationalized is almost a compliment.
Agreed. I couldn't finish it to find out the main point. I won't be back to this channel.
King Henry VIII was actually a good king until his almost fatal jousting accident in which he suffered a really bad blow & injury to his head. He really went off the rails after that head injury unfortunately. His whole personality & emotional makeup changed drastically for the worse from that time.
I agree: from everything I read, he suffered from static traumatic encepalopathy, which is what destroys the brains of football players. Henry did go to lengths to divorce Catherine, but it was after his injury - where he lay unconscious for two hours - that he started all the tyranny, beheading wives, torturing subjects, horrible temper, that we know of him today. The jousting accident probably left him with a very severe and lasting TBI, and it wasn’t understood then how that affects the personality.
Indeed, Plus his health. He died prematurely, At the end he was desperately trying to secure the future of his son Edward by dictating the terms of the succession. succession. Edward was very young/ He fell under the spell of radical protestants. Mary is remembered as a religious fanatic but Edward was a child and so as intolerant of dissenters both Catholic and protestant as a bright child can be. He died at 15, the same age as Arthur. His handlers were desperate to deprive Mary of the throne that they, and tried to install an innocent young woman as just another pawn. The attempted coup deeply upset Mary. which seems to have prompted the purge that even her young spanish husband opposed, On this latter fact, it must be remembered that Lutheranism had so little purchase in Spain that the inquisition had to end any energy on it until it
began to affect the netherlands. Elizabethan Propoganda has so much become history that we are ignorant that the Inquisition in Spain was still far more worried about Jews and Muslims than the easily contained Lutherans.
Why is the commentator talking like an emotionless robot??????
😢Total lack of hygeine, dirty contaminated drinking water, contaminated fish, meat, prepared with filthy hands or just born weak wifh some unknown illness of which the list could be very long. Or simply poisoned?
St. Paul’s cathedral didn’t exist until well after the marriage of Catharine and Arthur. I imagine they were married in perhaps, Westminster abbey(?).
They were married in the old St Paul's Cathedral which burned down during the Great Fire of London in 1666. The present cathedral designed by Christopher Wren is its replacement.
@@livvymunro1929 Thanks for clearing that up!
Being betrothed carried more legal weight than being married.
Poisining ones siblings and anyone who threatened the crown was the norm back then.
Henry the eighth gave us Elizabeth the first.
So we still don't know the disease? ☹️
No. In those days it was called the sweating sickness. Modern medicine have never been able to identify it and its thought its one of those which burnt itself out over time.
You certainly laid the modern moral standards on with a trowel without considering those of the period, i.e. there was very little privacy least wise such a thing such as a bedroom. Historically, a bed, matress and all of its linen was valued on par with a luxury car and worthy of placement in a will. In short, this isn't history but an exercise in "weren't those royals weird" snark. Amusing, titillating, but history? No.
An upstart dynasty would almost need to rely on old traditions to fortify/bulster their legitimacy to hold the throne
Not the same St Pauls Cathedral we see today.
The narrator's tone of voice would have been more easily accepted had he not tried to use it to get across to the listener the feeling of incredulity. I found that as well as certain comments inappropriate because the narrator was making judgment calls on a society that he has no real understanding. Many royal betrothals took place at an extremely early age & it wasn't uncommon for the girl to go live with her "husband's" family. As for Arthur being expected to "bed" his bride when he was 15 had nothing whatsoever to do with being ready to be a "responsible" husband. This union happened to be one in which the couple were closer in age than most. If the narrator would have done his research, he wouldn't have made such disdainful comments.
The narrator is not a he or she. It is a machine.
So, Prince Arthur possibly died from an airborne virus then .. He would have been a good King, unlike his shameful brother Henry.😕😕😕 Prince Arthur resembled his father King Henry vii. Henry, on the other hand was a poor excuse of a King, perhaps his sisters should have been chosen as Queen over that brat Henry.
There's something I never understood.
A midwife could have easily been called in to check for virginity. Did that ever happen, I wonder?
I wonder if they understood female anatomy back then. They might have known a woman to bleed but not the reason why? Doctors didn’t yet dissect bodies, still believed in disease being caused by “bad humours” in the blood.
After 20 years of marriage to Henry and 6 birthd? Virginity wasn't an issue when they got married.
Virginity checks are unreliable. Hymens can vary greatly. Some may have closed off the birth canal so much that surgery would be needed for sex to be possible. Others may be either hard to see or are weak enough to have torn without sex having occurred.
@@AnastaciaInCleveland Thank you , that was certainly more infor than I learned in health class a few decades ago, lol !
Find someone who can pronounce English words to narrate your videos.
Yes ha ha
Better yet, find a real English human and dismantle the AI gadget!
@@Roy-gi5ul Is that the problem? I would have thought that AI would do a better job.
If you MUST use an AI voice, please. At least cut the “Personal” comments. They are just plain STUPID
All our narration is exclusively done by humans.
@@TheHistoryExpose Then you should be even more ashamed. The way various words are miss pronounced in this video is atrocious. Also the individual’s lack of intonation and rhythm is horrible. This video also has within it several historical inaccuracies.
You do know there are people out there with History degrees and who are experts subject to watching your videos? Not everyone who just happens across your videos is going to be so much of a moron as to think this is good material in any way shape or form.
Your channel has a hell of a lot of work to do if it’s not doing to crash and burn.
The only thing I can say I liked is how you used imagery from the Stars tv show “The Spanish Princess” which happens to be the most accurate casting as to what both Catherine and Arthur may have actually looked like. Every other modern tv show casts Catherine as a dark haired brunette when she actually didn’t have dark hair at all. And the hair cut on Arthur in “The Spanish Princess” is relatively historically accurate. But that’s you using someone else’s material copied and pasted into your video, everything else in your video left much to be desired. Don’t treat or assume your audience is stupid.
@@TheHistoryExposethen get them a dictionary for words they have NO idea how to pronounce correctly.
King arthur was fighting the anglo saxon invasions of england..he was far from english..likely a roman centurian or a britonic warrior (welsh, cornish), or a mix of the tw0
Henry's favorite sister was Mary, not Margaret!
Arthurs funeral was in Worcester and he is buried in Worcester Cathedral. The procession from Ludlow to Worcester took two days.
I wish they'd repeat In the Shadow Of The Tower . I've never seen it.
It's on UA-cam. ❤
@@jujubees5855 Thank you, I'll check it out.
I love your channel. New subscriber.
Nothing new under the sun. No real answer to the question.
I didn't think this really was an A1 voice, until "he" pronounced " the plague " as "the plag"...😂
It was always more of a risk for a princess than for a prince. Case in point - Katarina should have been sent home after Arthur's death. Instead, she was kept hostage.
She wasn’t kept hostage. Isabella and Ferdinand intended to have her married to Arthur’s brother Henry. They petitioned the Pope for a dispensation, and never insisted that Catherine return.
Isabella might have eventually insisted on Catherine’s return, but she died. Ferdinand ended up having Catherine act as an informal ambassador for a time: he had no intention of paying the remaining dowry that was due as a part of Catherine’s and Arthur’s marriage contract.
Its actually disgusting the way rich kids were bred like the horses in the stable or the cattle in the field.
Since Henry VIII was the worst monarch IN English history it couldn't help but be better.
He was a good monarch, unless you were his wife. He didn’t become a tyrant until his later years.
And his music is kind of cool.
Ever heard of John Lackland, or his big brother Richard the Lion Heart?
@@helene4397 King John was bad. But then so were Edward 2nd and Richard 2nd who were both kicked off their thrones and soon were despatched.
Goodness! The "worst" monarch? OK, there could be a theory that he was the worst " Man" to ascend the throne - though even this is debatable. (I'd agree with those who consider that the title of "worst Monarch AND 'man'" goes to George IV, but there are other contenders in the list). And, after all, Henry only beheaded 2 of his wives!😑
Many people bring up the age thing based on to-day's societal structure. Completely forgetting that being a "teenager" is a modern construct brought in after WWII - until then the ages for marriage could be much younger than today: girls became marriage prospects once they'd started to menstruate (from around 11 onwards). While males were considered always to be up for it!
The Pope gave his disposition for Catherine of Aragon to marry Henry regardless of whether she had consummated her marriage to Arthur. In other words it did not matter. Henry tried to use that later when he needed an excuse to divorce Catherine But it was political. The pope granted the disposition and it was OK for katherine and Henry to marry regardless of whether she had consummated her marriage to Arthur or not.
Prince Arthur is buried at Worcester Cathedral, not Ludlow.
2 dispensations were approved. One included the "perhaps." Didn't matter either way.
Really annoying voiceover.
Well, Im at 14.40 and the AI voice hasnt said anything about what Arthur died of. Just thought Id save you some time.
Henry VII, a great warrior king? hahahahahaha! are you kidding us? by the way, a part that joke, the video is very cool!
Can. You. Be. More. Stilted?
It's AI. Not human. Idiots doing this video.
Special permission from the Pope for Catherine to marry Henry is a little strange, seeing as the law required Henry to marry the widow of his deceased brother, and to bring forth a child in Arthur's name - as is recorded in the Bible as Mosaic and Christian Law. The Pope is supposed to uphold the laws of Moses.
Awful narration - and with an American accent talking about English history!!!
It’s a “minster” not a minister. Try learning your topic before diving in.
Its not all that weird.....my aunt guided my noodle in when me and my sister lost our virginity
Is it because he wasn’t real?
They never had royal blood and should’ve have been able to take power.
There’s quite a few mistakes in this story.
Very entertaining though.
If your going to have a channel then it should be unique not AI I agree
Another AI 🤮
Well, calling their illness, 'sweating sickness' a 'modern discovery' is simply nonsense. This is just a rehash.
Sweating sickness? Perhaps, Malaria?
I think he died from type of mold....those castles were drafty and damp...so i think that is what caused the sweating sickness...a mold or fungus....
This narrator is horrible, I couldn’t even listen until the end…..
It helps *a bit* to play it at 1.25 speed. But that doesn't help with the bad writing.
Bad narrative and no new news. very clickbait.
This clearly ISN'T AI narration - just not hugely interesting!!
Im sure he was poisoned. That was their go to back them.
It was the curse. Obviously.
Im sorry, im going to have to find a channel that can get to the point, rather than spending so much time being outraged that 15th century people didn't do things the way 21st century people think they should.
When studying other times, and other people, we need to take into consideration what was culturally appropriate in their milieu, not ours.
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Lol, sad thing it is a real human😂
Terrible narrative.
Rip-off!!! Intro promises new insights into the cause of Arthur's death, but it's just a robotic recitation of well known facts, with one brief reference to sweating sickness - nothing new, there. Waste of time.
God always takes the young for a reason. 😪 💔
Never said what modern medicine says about his death. What did he die of…like click bait says.
Fie
AI is trash
For the love of God! Arthur was gay!
Ya think?
Well, why is this anything like surprising, knowing as very many do, our guy-type proclivities . . . when none are observing?
SUCH self-injuring hypocrites we are. (Well, way too many at least.)
Are we TO EVER escape this particular most painful trap of denial?
I thought that might be the case, romance all in the head
An adolescents view of other adolescents (vocabulary)