I don't see Mary as the forgotten Tudor. More people know about her and her life's story than know about her brother, Edward VI. If there is a forgotten Tudor it is him.
@@HannahMcCann-l2v actually, they both reigned for more or less 5 years, Edward even 6. But because he was so young, the decisions made during his reign ,were mostly not his(though he did try to make some changes). Mary though, was much older and actually reigned her country. Also the bloody Mary thing definitely made her memorable
The true villain in this story is not Mary but Henry VIII. He was pathological - from having his wives executed to being emotionally abusive to his children. He was a true monster.
“Fat and ugly”? Really? Really? Pretty sure Henry’s divorce with Catherine of Aragon had more to do with lack of male heir than just that 🙄 also pretty sure that at this point the only one getting really fat and ugly was the King himself. Catherine was beloved by the English, and I’m sure her looks weren’t an issue in the grand scheme of things.
She was actually very pretty, and Henry was absolutely in love with her, for a long time..BUT, he was only 17, barely 18? When he married her. Who of us would seriously want to be married forever to the person we fell in love with then? And she Was older than him. But to do what he did to her was shameful. But we see it every single day🤷♀️. P.S. I myself have been married to the person to the person I fell in love with when I was 19. 1980. So...but there’s a lot of growing up to do, and it’s hard. But 17? Oh hell no. Thank god. If she would have had a son, this wouldn’t even be a topic.
@CasualAFGamer It was both to do with the lack of male heir and the fact that she was getting older, menopausal, middle-aged etc etc. He had also had his head turned by younger mistresses such as Bessie Blount and of course Anne Boleyn and his tastes would have become fixed on that younger type. Henry hypocritically saw himself as a virile young athlete all his life, in spite of the obvious changes to his person over the decades, and who would dare challenge his perception of himself? That's the whole point, the whole irony of the thing. This is the same reason why he cast aside Anne of Cleves - because she was more full-figured (allegedly) and he wanted his women sylph-like and in their late teens/early 20s. You are looking at this through modern feminist eyes, similar eyes through which Princess Diana is idolised. That's all well and good nowadays but these are not the eyes through which Henry would have looked, and Henry had all the say-so back then. Whether Catherine was beloved by the English or anyone else would have been a literal irrelevance to him. Do not colour history with your preferences and loyalties, these are not characters you cheer for in a tv drama. Just read the facts.
E C The facts are, unless Henry VIII said those words himself, that that made no sense to say-you said so yourself there were multiple reasons why Henry dropped Catherine. Also, if you took the time out of your busy schedule, I was criticizing the use of those words by the narrator-not the historical event itself. Something you altogether failed to notice and decided to just look at as feminist complaints. Those words were biased-plain and simple. They didn’t delve deeper into the issue and instead cut the explanation short-not even bothering to explain the whole story like you just did. Obviously, it wasn’t hard to do bc you just did it. No one’s treating it like a tv drama-but to act like documentaries can’t be called out or criticized for offering biased opinions with limited or no references to facts is just ignorant.
How is she forgotten? She has a drink named after her. She is one of the most famous queens in English and European history. She is known to anyone with a passing interest in English history and is one of the few queens of that era the general public has heard of. Queen Elizabeth I, Mary Queen of Scots and Bloody Mary are all famous.
I live in the US, and we were all taught this in 8th grade. Also, all sleepovers after that included the Bloody Mary game. She is absolutely not a forgotten Tudor.
History is written by the winners. I feel a great deal of sorrow for Mary, and to go against her dying wishes and not bury her with her mother is tragic and so wrong. For her to only be recognized by a simple black seal, and given the nickname of Bloody Mary even in death is sad. I feel for those she executed, but let’s not pretend she was the only Tudor monarch to execute hundreds. She should have been buried with her mother, and given proper funeral burial fitting of a Queen. How terribly upsetting her life was. Her father ruined her. She may have been happy if not for his cruelty. Just sad all around.
Well, Mary had killed around 300 Protestants & Elizabeth had executed 700 Catholics but Mary killed them for their religion while Elizabeth killed them for their political stance & that what's made the difference.
I don't think Henry would ever have taken the steps he did had Thomas Cramner had not stuffed his head with this idea that a King had the Divine right on earth; supplanting the pope.(to do whatever the hell (no pun intended) he wanted.). On the surface it made sense.. if it was already decided that a man could be god and that worked once for centuries, why wouldn't it work NOW in England? both churches were debauched and had monarchies loyal to it. Henry called out the Vatican and England/Ireland have been convulsed ever since.
It is rather sad to hear Katherine described as "fat and ugly." She had been very pretty in her day and she was a popular Queen, well liked by the people of England. During her time as Henry's wife he both loved and respected Katherine, as is shown by Katherine taking over as Regent when Henry was away.
Queen Katherine Of Aragon was far superior to Henry VII in Blood, linage and character and intellect. henry VII was obese and a tyrant and totally deranged why he is revered today is beyond d me. An absolute monster more akin to Ivan the Terrible,( Ivan IV Tsar of Russia)
The problem is that she was older than Henry, and people start talking how she was starting to show signs of age (probably a way to say “too old to have more children”) while he still looked in his prime. I wonder if the king asked to spread this in order to get a general agreement of him needing a new wife.
Fat and ugly. That’s rich coming from a king so bloated he could barely fit in his coffin it ad to be made bigger to get his bloated body in it. How dare anyone call Cathrine fat and ugly
If there's one thing I've learned from Mary's story is no matter how bad things are they can always get better...and then get even worse again with time.
Henry put Mary through so much mental anguish it’s no wonder the poor girl ended up with so many mental problems. When Elizabeth was born he like threw Mary away. Mary’s mind was so messed up instead of actually blaming her father, she blamed the Protestant religion. Henry did so much mental damage to her she was mentally broken. I feel so sorry for Mary, all she really wanted was her father’s love and affection. Such a sad young girl, even her brother treated her badly because of her religion my heart goes out to Mary and her suffering
There was no matter of her "blaming the Protestant religion"; it was a matter of her having been a Catholic and seeing the obvious: that the Protestant religion was a looting operation that executed priests and religious, and plundered the monasteries to benefit the rich. She knew that the Catholic Faith was (and is) the true Faith, the source of the Church set up by Christ on the rock of St. Peter (see Matthew 16 and the history of the Popes).
I'm stuck at home on complete bed rest from surgery recovery and I'm really enjoying this series so far. I've been binge watching this channel for almost 3 days now.
I have lots of sympathy for Mary. However, she was also completely unwavering in her demand for her subjects to conform to Catholicism, and hundreds of Protestants who refused were burnt at the stake or beheaded. She was treated cruelly and so unfairly in her early life, but she may have earned her foul nickname later in life.
It was all about a male heir for the king. Both Mary & Elizabeth were treated horribly growing up. It surely affected both girls. Mary had Catholicism ingrained in her & Elizabeth Protestantism. Mary was determined to reverse her father’s Protestant religion & allowed terrilble violence as a result. Elizabeth learned, was stronger, had Cecil as her advisor, listened & wisely never married. Henry the VIII was evil.
It is sad indeed. For all the women who are desperate to be mothers. Alas, she barely deserves compassion. ''Thou shalt not kill'' wasn't a part of her vocabulary. All her life was a bitter chase for revenge and killing spree in the Name of the Lord. She got everything written in the Scripture backwards just to fit her narrative. That infamous nickname will stick forever.
She's not forgotten, a wee bit overshadowed by her younger sister but definitely not forgotten. If there's anyone that's forgotten, it's Lady Jane Grey, poor young girl who had a tragic ending. 😭
Not only Lady Jane Grey; but, also Edward VI. Those two seem to be the ones who are forgotten since there doesn't seem to be that much we hear about them. Mary get's a drink named after her which is pretty sad.
Oh he was responsible for scores of thousands. Hell he genocided his own people after he tricked them to cease the Pilgrimage of Grace. Murdered thousands of his own people just for wanted to pray how they wanted. I think Mary's depiction in history goes all the way back to her sisters reign, who was another nutcase. Actually Mary was probably the most normal one of the lot. Bloody Mary because she supposedly burned protestants. Thomas Moore burned them too and they made him a saint.
I very much like listening to David Starky. He speaks beautifully with a clear, crisp British accent 👌 I am a cockney from London's East End and I am fascinated with Londons history and past royalty, so to hear his fluent and eloquent oratory skills on such subjects are utterly absorbing to me!
So let's remember that also catherine taught mary how to be a ruling queen. Not just anne boleyn, there were a lot of feminist figures in tudor family.
The more I learn of Henry, the more I think he doesn’t deserve one bit a title like The Great, more like The Terrible. I don’t think Mary can be blamed for being so angry as Queen. She’d stoked that fire ever since her entire life was ripped away by her mentally and emotionally abusive father.
Mary should have sincerely and comprehensively observed the Scripture, so unpopular in the stately churches even today. PROVERBS 20: 22 "Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee."
@@freeasabird4659 Mary had bloody hands of her own. Malachi 3:2 "But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap."
@The Stock Trader So true. This was the ultimate reason for his break with the Catholic Church, not theology. It was greed and power. Towards the end of his life, he issued his Six Articles, which reestablished certain Catholic doctrines/beliefs such as a celibate clergy, transubstantiation and auricular confessions. By this time, he knew that his mortality was approaching and was probably trying to make some amends with God. It was too late.
Even though Mary did do some awful things in her 5 year rein, her life was absolutely tragic and it really shows just how screwed up King Henry was with his daughters.
@@meghanmisaliar Her father absolutely was a massive contributor to her later possible mental issues. He considered and threatened to murder her at one point if she didn't renounce her mother's marriage and her own legitimacy in favour of Elizabeth. Imagine going from a princess, the third most important person in the kingdom to a no name slave to this little girl, Elisabeth? Watch again.
My mother’s favorite queen of England was Catherine of Aragon. She watched every movie and show that portrayed queen Cathrine. This year 2022 on January 7th mom died at the age of 88 same day as Cathrine of Aragon.
Mary I was a very tragic Queen, "She was a king's daughter; she was a king's sister; she was a king's wife. She was a queen, and by the same title a king also" Bishop White of Winchester said at her funeral. Yet you have historians who praise Elizabeth as "Gloriana" but when you compare the two, no matter the length of their reigns, you can conclude that Elizabeth was more brutal in her reign. Like some other comments have said, If Elizabeth was in Mary's shoes, she wouldn't of given Lady Jane Grey a second chance, nor especially Henry Grey, her father. The only reason Elizabeth kept Mary alive for 20 years was because of her status as an anointed Queen, as if preserving Mary somehow changes Elizabeth's condemned status in the eyes of God. To be fair, the Marian Persecutions were horrendous, but does that mean we should just ignore all the abominations Elizabeth did in her reign and just call her Gloriana? No. I was too one of these people, but after doing proper research I can confidently say Elizabeth I of England was a despotic, and autocratic tyrant. If you are reading this comment and still buying in to the age's old propaganda of English Protestants, do what I did and don't succumb to the bias of all the historians who continue to sing Elizabeth's praises.
Mary does not deserve to be referred to as Bloody. What she did was bring to justice those that had persecuted and killed Catholics. Let us not forget that the religious related killings were started under her Protestant father, Henry VIII, and continued by her Protestant half brother, Edward VI. It is a distortion and a deflection that Mary killed Protestants just because they were Protestants. Finally, thanks to the Internet and social media, the truth is being revealed.
It's funny as a Brit I remember visiting a bookshop in France and being struck by how many French history books focus on Elizabeth I as a bloody tyrant. It reminded me that these old cultural biases can linger for centuries on both sides.
I don't see how she's forgotten? in many respects, I feel more strongly for Mary than I do for the other Tudor monarchs - including her sister Elizabeth. MARY went through HELL. Disowned by her father and seeing her dear mother discarded as another woman hijacked her place as queen. Being forbidden to even meet her mother and then her own mother's sad demise must have left her feeling extremely alone and abandoned in the world. Morality back in the 16th century was extremely different to our modern understanding, so judging her with a modern lens is unfair IMO. also...Sure, she killed people in her short reign, but so did her father and so did her sister- still you never hear them called Bloody Henry or Bloody Elizabeth.
@@trawlins396 very few king is true king he kill more people in 1 years than mary his own daughter did in 5 years just because you come out from a royal vagina doesn't mean you not a bastard most kings are horrible anyway
For some reason British people narrate documentaries best. If it's not narrated by a British person then it's not legit. Only exception is Morgan freeman.
You cannot judge this scenario on today's standards . The times were incredibly cruel . But there were the Saints that came forth to stand up for what they believed in .Weather it be to support the Pope or the King of England...Catholic or Protestant . It seems that the poor people of the Tudor times were compelled to do or die.
Lets tell some truth here: Mary did in fact execute (mostly by burning) just under 800 Protestants but Elizabeth executed just over 1200 Catholics and Edward about the same number and good ol' Henry VIII over 2000 Catholics including his 68 year old grand aunt. Mary was the choice of the common people, and it was the common people who rallied behind her, supplied her with artillary against the nobility, against the dukes and earls who had participated in Henry 8's dolling out of church lands to the landed nobility. The various nobles benefited hugely from the overthrow of the catholic church, the peasants just got more work to do. Its clear that the video relates only the Protestant viewpoint (as does every story ive ever seen out of England), the "official" version, a self-serving bias, clinically speaking, if ever there was one. Im not particularly being pro-Catholic here (and Catholic human rights abuses surely abound too), but I am ardently pro-truth, and this constant retelling of the tales of "Bloody Mary" are as manufactured, bigoted and biased as the anti Catholic laws that still govern England, even to this day. I surmise that its impossible to be even-handed or even truthful when the church is inextricably tied and tied-in to a part of the government. Dont know, But dont ask the Europeans.
Well, the winners write history, and England had already become a Protestant country. Moreover, Elizabeth was an expert propagandist, employing artists and writers to disproportionately glorify her.
True. One Queen, Elizabeth learned from the mistakes she saw happening around her while the other Queen, Mary I, didn't. Just shows you what happens when you allow religion to turn you into a fanatic like Mary I did.
I wonder is perhaps the reason she thought she was pregnant all those times has something to do with the theory of her death by ovarian cancer. Her ovaries would swell, likely with tumor or fluid, she would begin to have nausea, aversions to eating, and other pregnancy related symptoms. Maybe she had spent that time thinking she was finally with child, only for nothing to come of it.
7:12 um, it was a bit more complicated than Katherine became fat and ugly so Henry fell for Anne boelyn.. to boil it down to a sentence like he used here is such a mischaracterization and an injustice to both Katherine and Anne, and even Henry!
Ugly wasnt one of the issues Henry had with Katherine Going into menopauze without baring a son sums it up completly Just because Henry tought Anne was beautiful doesnt make Katherine ugly
She musta been praying for something to happen. All those years praying turned her into an envious, stubborn, conceited cruel, murderous person. Her mom was probably spinning in her grave. KOA was peaceful & genuinely pious. Unlike her bloody daughter. I'm surprised she wasn't executed.
Imagine, you are raised with the feeling of every waking moment that someday you will be ruler of a grand land. Your parents and subjects love and adore you, and the future cannot come sooner. But the closer the future comes the more your crown, your subjects, and ultimately your family is taken away. But you are the future ruler, surely someone must be willing to hear you out, right? ...right?
It's amazing to think that if little 52 day old Henry Duke of Cornwall hadn't passed, this would story would have been drastically different. And no one would be as enthralled in Henry the 8th and his line! Henry treated both of his daughters like crap and that's why Mary was as vengeful as she was.
I agree about 52 day old Henry. But I disagree about blaming Henry VIII completely for Mary's evil. Was he a bastard? Yes. But she was an adult and responsible for her choices. There were about 15 choices she could have made and been infinitely happier with her life. (Moving to Catholic Spain, for example, where she would have been surrounded by supportive and loving family and friends and she could have freely practiced her faith w/o conflict or problem.) But, instead, she chose to stay in England, where she was miserable, just to be spiteful and because she didn't want to let her father, brother, or sister "win". A grown up behaving like a petulant, whiny child and clinging to situations that made her miserable, when she had better options, doesn't excuse torturing 300 people (including a newborn infant) to death because they disagree with her.
@@whaleymom76 If Mary had left for Spain she would have been at the mercy of whoever would have her. Mary would also not have been left alone by the English because she was too dangerous.
@@whaleymom76 ah I thought in your first comment you meant she could just go off on her own if she wanted. The point is Henry VIII would have needed to authorise that, unfortunately Mary had probably angered him so much with her stubborn support for her mother.
@@LithaKelitha If you want to view this without the adds just fast forward to the last minute or so of the video. Let it run & then hit replay, it will now play in its entirety add free.
i fully support all history docs and love them, but she is hardly forgotten, except by people who are not interested in history... she was spoken about with great enthusiasm by my earliest social studies teachers
Apparently, they can. And with lots of other historical documentaries as well, under new names and on one of their other channels. I'm just surprised so many people didn't notice, glad to see I wasn't the only one who was annoyed.
@@Catssandra13 That is plagiarism! I won't watch this now, if the author lacks academic honesty how can I believe anything he authors? Thanks for pointing that out. God bless and stay safe.
You're so right. I would rather part with £££ for the original DVD's than give credence to these digital thieves. Thankfully, my Starkey collection is nearly complete. Just a couple of books to go, too. 😌
Even this is not the case, it’s so profiling that the Spanish Princess are always showing as brunettes specially Catherine of Aragon when she resembles a lot like her mother Isabel of Castille, blond and blue 👀 being.
England dodged a bullet when Edward VI died. He was an arrogant, single minded zealot who may have made his father seem mild in comparison. Yes, Mary's reign was bloody, but it was short and it laid the foundation for Elizabeth.
True Anne and Mary didn't get along, but she suffered more from Henry than Anne. A lot of the accounts about Mary's mistreatment came from her cousin Eustace Chapyus who hated the Boleyns and wasn't even there at the time and was merely just relaying gossip. There's no evidence that Anne ever threatened Mary's life. To talk about a royal like that - bastard or not - was socially unacceptable at the time.
But Anne definitely goaded Henry into staying away from Mary and bastardizing and abusing her and all that. Anne was many things, but definitely not a nice person. She was ambitious and powerful-hungry and Mary was the biggest threat to her.
I wonder what would have happened if Henry VIII actually had Mary executed? He had already become an outcast of sorts in Europe as other Europeans looked with bemusement and horror at his marital problems and Mary at the time was very popular in England. The English were aghast at the way that Henry had treated the very popular Queen Catherine. They would have been horrified if he had his own daughter executed and then there was Mary's powerful cousin, Emperor Charles. Would he have invaded England? Its horrifying how genuinely evil Henry had become. One thing is executing Anne, another is executing his own daughter! What an unnatural father.
Remember...that Mary I was the granddaughter of Ferdand and Isabella powerful / the IT couple at the time. This is the reason Henry did not behead Anne of Clever. Anne was a foreign "princess".
I think Charles might have invaded, especially if Katherine was still alive. Executing his cousin and shedding would be too much. Charles was much much more powerful than Henry, so England didn’t stand a chance against him alone. And I don’t think France would have helped him in this case, it would be too embarrassing to ally with a child-murdering monster, the public sentiment wouldn’t have tolerated it.
What about all those murdered by her father Henry (including Margaret Pole, Thomas More, John Fisher, etc.), her siblings Edward and Elizabeth, and James I? Why not Bloody Hank, Ed, Bess, and Jim? Elizabeth on her own killed more Catholics than her sister did Protestants.
@@symone5358 “Mary Queen of Scott” is “Queen Elizabeth I” cousin from her father side of the family “ King Henry VIII “. Since “Queen Elizabeth” died with no heir the crown of England will have go to the most senior male of the family blood line. That where Mary Queen of Scott’s son “King James I”comes in. Mary Queen of Scott’s mother is King Henry VIII’s sister, that’s why King James I become the king of England.
She was "owned" by Henry. The Spanish side of her family had no claim to her and no power to do anything for her. Women were pawns back then, more like things that had value if used in specific ways. They were not considered equals to men.
Henry was smart enough to toe the line when it came to what he could with Catharine. Had he had her beheaded, not only would the people of England revolt but I'd bet Spain and the Holy Roman Empire would of probably launched a military campaign against Henry.
The Spanish side of her family was littered with mentally unbalanced people and two insane one's. Her sister Juana was a raving maniac who took her husband's corpse with her everywhere she went, and fondled and kissed it each night and morning through all the stages of decay. Juana was also the Aunt of the insane Don Carlos whose own father killed him when he was nine years old . He was heir to the Throne of Spain and his father would not let him become King, that tells you how insane Don Carlos was
Her story is so sad, the only happiness she had was when she was a child , and when she thought she found love in her husband 🙁 or even when she thought she was expecting , 😔 I mean I don’t agree with burning of people but she did have a really sad life 😔😒
Mary does not deserve to be referred to as Bloody. What she did was bring to justice those that had persecuted and killed Catholics. Let us not forget that the religious related killings were started under her Protestant father, Henry VIII, and continued by her Protestant half brother, Edward VI. It is a distortion and a deflection that Mary killed Protestants just because they were Protestants. Finally, thanks to the Internet and social media, the truth is being revealed.
Being close to death didn’t stop her signing the warrant for the burning of two London heretics. Luckily for them it wasn’t issued for some reason, and they escaped the flames.
I'm not English, but "Bloody Mary" is very well known. Also, the reason why this popular drink, is called that way. Also the story of the false pregnancy, which most probably was a bowel sickness. In my opinion, Mary 's father wasn't a monster, as people sometimes claim. He was the King of his times. Try, for a sec., to put yourself in his shoes.
Honestly, she was a intruder. The king (Henry VIII) had more issue than Edward and they were the heirs. I get that Edward named her, but she went along with a thirst for power when it was obvious that the throne didnt belong to her
@@haruno21 She didn't want the throne but she got bullied into it. She cried when she found out. I mean come on she was 16 years old! Her mother was an ambitious woman and frequently beat Jane. There was no social services nor any protection from abusive parents which Henry and Frances Grey were. Jane only found peace and happiness under the wardship of Catherine Parr. When Catherine died Jane dreaded going home. Mary understood Jane was a pawn by her parents and The Duke of Northumberland and spared her. Had Sir Thomas Wyatt not rebelled and her father participated in it Jane would've lived longer. I don't think Frances Grey mourned her daughter. In fact after the execution of her husband and eldest child Frances managed to worm her way to Mary begging forgiveness. It worked. Jane Grey never had a thirst for power. She was more of a victim. Edward VI was also to blame by not insisting on following his father's will in the Line of Succession and he wasn't flexible like Mary when it came to religion.
@@einezcrespo2107 Well said, Jane's death was a terrible, needless tragedy and the result of her unscrupulous parents' ambition. They were the ones who should've been in the Tower.
@@lollipop96537 Dont forget your mother was a great queen, im a fan of Queen Anne Bolyen she is a misunderstood character who didnt deserve the fate that your father did to her. You saved England and you are a strong woman who dont believe that marriage is always the answer.
One cannot neglect how much blood was shed during her reign amongst the protestants - but also not that Queen Elizabeth, her sister, prosecuted the catholics during her reign. But here the circumstances are different because Elizabeth was threatend by the pope and Philipp II. But one has also to acknowledge that during the reign of her brother Edward, the king always put pressure on her to abandon the catholic faith. Only the fear of the king and his advisers that Mary's cousin emperor Charles V could invade England prevented further reprisals for her.
@@galesal1109 Was I speaking to you? I don't think I was. Don't be condescending. Why would I be here if I didn't already know everything about Anne Boleyn? OP said "played with fire" which is ridiculous to say that's why I asked what has she done
@@galesal1109 there’s no need to be condescending though. Maybe kenna really and genuinely wants to know what OP meant about Anne Boleyn playing with fire/not too familiar with everything that went on during this this period.
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it said that Catherine of Aragon had turned fat & ugly & this the reason Henry divorced her. Seriously?? I believe she was unable to birth a male heir & this was the reason for Henry’s fading affection. Why would the script writers have added this fabricated untruth to an otherwise interesting documentary?
She had several miscarriages and stillbirths in addition to the baby that died after a month or so. I can imagine that must have taken a toll on her body.
She is forgotten because NO ONE in Hollywood is making a SERIES About her, NO ONE in Hollywood has CREATED SEASONS for us to get to know her life FROM CHILDHOOD/HER RELATIONSHIPS-Teenagehood, INTO ADULTHOOD…./her Relationships/Family. We ALL KNOW ABOUT HENRY & ELIZABETH & OTHERS-there are COUNTLESS FILMS ABOUT THEM & others, BUT WHEN OH WHEN WILL WE GET TO SEE AN IN-DEPTH SERIES/SEASONS of QUEEN MARY-BEFORE SHE TURNED INTO what we NOW KNOW to be called ‘bloody Mary’….. 🤔 LEFT WONDERING, STILL WAITING…. It Could be SO AWESOME to ADD to a Royal Collection Xx
Never mind Hollywood, try reading some books if you want the truth. Agnes Strickland LIVES OF THE QUEEN'S OF ENGLAND will straighten things out for you
I do not believe in Bloody Mary… I do not believe in Bloody Mary… Our older sisters shoved my brother and I in the bathroom, and for some reason (I do know why, but that’s another story) the light switch was outside the door.. And we had to repeat that 10 times.. My oldest sister was in the shower wrapped in a green blanket with a flashlight and she turned it on at 10.. lol.. My poor 9 year old brother almost had a heart attack!.. lolololol!..
My Ancestor Bishop John White was jailed because He spoke so highly of Mary at her Funeral.Elizabeth threw him in the Tower.And still researching it all,but found that to be quite a find on my dads side.The White Family and still carry the surname deriving out of London.Interesting 🙂
@@szymonszymon2329 No,I am not,but I am finding my White (Dads)side was Quaker/Puritan and we’re cousins or directly related to Bridget and Catherine White”Mayflower” I am a Freespirit and I don’t believe in the current foundations of the church.
Interesting I have John White too. For me my royal blood ends with House of Stuarts. While in Spain my family time line ends in 1600s. After that we decided to have normal lives and lived happy ever after.
Mary does not deserve to be referred to as Bloody. What she did was bring to justice those that had persecuted and killed Catholics. Let us not forget that the religious related killings were started under her Protestant father, Henry VIII, and continued by her Protestant half brother, Edward VI. It is a distortion and a deflection that Mary killed Protestants just because they were Protestants. Finally, thanks to the Internet and social media, the truth is being revealed.
Near the Essex coast - he's standing in front of a picture and they have a fan blowing on him. Apart from that, these are great and I love this presenter.
Am I the only who wonders how history would’ve been if Anne Boleyn or Catherine of Aragon gave Henry a son or if Jane Seymour didn’t die or if Katherine Parr was rlly beheaded and Henry had 7 wives
@@3John-Bishop yeah, sorry about that mistaken I commented that 7 months ago before I read a book of Catherine of argon. Most of her kids died or she miscarried in those 9 pregnancies
Katharyn of Aragon made sure that her daughter, Mary will be at par with the strength of Men to rule one day. Mother's love and Hail to women power. The sad story until death/burial.
Her story is so sad. 😢 I think how she was treated was awful. And her poor mother. To tear them apart and keep them from each other like that? It's just so heartbreaking. She was human. She was a queen. She tried to reign and rule and her faith was her guiding light throughout her days. So I feel she was doing what she thought was right and the times and turmoil were rampant. She isn't the first ruler to execute someone. look at who she had as examples; her grandmother Isabella of Castile and Aragon. Her mom Cathrine fought wars too. So did her father, her cousins too she could look at as examples. Ruling as a monarch must have been so stressful. She also had health issues too. She should have been treated better. May she rest in peace with her mom.
I remember hearing how Henry had turned to the bible to find out why Catharine was never able to give him a son and found that god had commanded that you should never merry your brother's widow, which is what he did and once he found out under god's law that his marriage was wrong he tried to have the pope over turn it and annule the marriage over that. But despite that fact he refused, which is what led to everything that happened afterwards. He wanted a son so badly as that kept the the right to rule within the Tudor family.
On the one hand, I do feel a bit sorry for Mary, but on the other, having a traumatic childhood is NOT a valid excuse to commit murder. Cranmer's execution I get, there was no valid reason for the divorce between Henry and Catherine. Henry was just thinking with the wrong head. And on that note, it's very likely to have been his fault in the first place. Catherine WAS capable of having children so the fault clearly does not lie with her. Even so, his treatment of his so-called "pearl in the world" was appalling, to say the least even when trying to be nice about it. So in that sense, I DO feel sorry for her but even so she could have CHOSEN to be the better woman rather than the tyrant she became in the end. I do think she SHOULD have been laid to rest with her mother though. There was no reason for THAT final insult. They should have at least respected that even if they didn't like her in general
You're judging by today's standards. Being the wrong religion was the worst possible crime. Most of the wars and bloodshed for the first 1800 years of Christianity were about religion.
You’re forgetting that henry literally killed tens of thousands of people and Mary killed 300 in five years right? Besides, her reasons weren’t bloodshed and tyranny like Henry. She was trying to honor her mother in a sense by restoring Catholicism in England. She also underestimated how many people were going to defy her. She thought she would kill some and i’d be enough, but she was wrong.
Crazy part is if Henry had named Mary his heir and married her to a king his grandchildren would be the rulers of multiple countries. Now he has no legitimate descendants and his sister’s descendants sit the throne.
Hardly forgotten! She's recognised as someone who condemned many people to death by the most hideous death imaginable! How the hell do you think she earned the name "Bloody Mary"!
As I'm watching this the only queen I've ever known Queen Elizabeth has died. I have never understood the use of Kings and Queens because I live in the states but I can't help but I can't help but to feel sad about losing that couple.
The king ruled the country at this point in history. He was in charge of everything. We didn't have a government like we do today for hundreds of years after
1. Edward vi is the forgotten Tudor monarch, not his favorite sister Queen Mary. Mary still needs way more recognition and is somewhat unknown, but i wouldn't call her forgotten, because many people still know about her (or rather, all the lies protestants made up about her). 2. The woman on the thumbnail is not Mary I but her aunt and namesake.
No lies about Mary, she was simply a bitter, twisted woman who was hell bent on hurting others, all she cared about was putting England under the control of the papacy, mean spirited and vicious, oh and btw, I'm a Catholic.
Finally someone said it ! That they put the wrong Mary in the thumbnail . That's Mary 'Rose' Tudor who eloped with Henry's best friend . Though with all the Mary's running around at the time anyone would get confused .
You are all muddled up. Henry VII favourite Sister was Mary who briefly became Queen of France before she came back to England to marry Charles Brandon as Henry has promised if she would agree to marry the French King first
While I appreciate the tile,Queen Mary Tudor most defiantly was way shy of a forgotten queen. She was, however, misunderstood. Most in her spirit, causes and physical beauty.
Not only did Elizabeth order the executions of far more people than did Mary, but she NEVER would have given Jane Grey and company a second chance, in contrast to Mary.
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I don't see Mary as the forgotten Tudor. More people know about her and her life's story than know about her brother, Edward VI. If there is a forgotten Tudor it is him.
Especially considering how short he rained
Exactly
Yes, I always think of her as "Bloody Mary."
I hate that she is always showed as fat in movies. She was actually very small.
@@HannahMcCann-l2v actually, they both reigned for more or less 5 years, Edward even 6. But because he was so young, the decisions made during his reign ,were mostly not his(though he did try to make some changes). Mary though, was much older and actually reigned her country. Also the bloody Mary thing definitely made her memorable
The true villain in this story is not Mary but Henry VIII. He was pathological - from having his wives executed to being emotionally abusive to his children. He was a true monster.
His daughters had the last laugh by ignoring his wish for a mausoleum and letting him rot in obscurity instead...
@@kaysmith8992 Erm not sure your correct
Shut up dunce
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“Fat and ugly”? Really? Really? Pretty sure Henry’s divorce with Catherine of Aragon had more to do with lack of male heir than just that 🙄 also pretty sure that at this point the only one getting really fat and ugly was the King himself. Catherine was beloved by the English, and I’m sure her looks weren’t an issue in the grand scheme of things.
I know right! Such an insult
She was actually very pretty, and Henry was absolutely in love with her, for a long time..BUT, he was only 17, barely 18? When he married her. Who of us would seriously want to be married forever to the person we fell in love with then? And she Was older than him. But to do what he did to her was shameful. But we see it every single day🤷♀️. P.S. I myself have been married to the person to the person I fell in love with when I was 19. 1980. So...but there’s a lot of growing up to do, and it’s hard. But 17? Oh hell no. Thank god. If she would have had a son, this wouldn’t even be a topic.
@CasualAFGamer It was both to do with the lack of male heir and the fact that she was getting older, menopausal, middle-aged etc etc. He had also had his head turned by younger mistresses such as Bessie Blount and of course Anne Boleyn and his tastes would have become fixed on that younger type. Henry hypocritically saw himself as a virile young athlete all his life, in spite of the obvious changes to his person over the decades, and who would dare challenge his perception of himself? That's the whole point, the whole irony of the thing. This is the same reason why he cast aside Anne of Cleves - because she was more full-figured (allegedly) and he wanted his women sylph-like and in their late teens/early 20s. You are looking at this through modern feminist eyes, similar eyes through which Princess Diana is idolised. That's all well and good nowadays but these are not the eyes through which Henry would have looked, and Henry had all the say-so back then. Whether Catherine was beloved by the English or anyone else would have been a literal irrelevance to him. Do not colour history with your preferences and loyalties, these are not characters you cheer for in a tv drama. Just read the facts.
E C The facts are, unless Henry VIII said those words himself, that that made no sense to say-you said so yourself there were multiple reasons why Henry dropped Catherine. Also, if you took the time out of your busy schedule, I was criticizing the use of those words by the narrator-not the historical event itself. Something you altogether failed to notice and decided to just look at as feminist complaints. Those words were biased-plain and simple. They didn’t delve deeper into the issue and instead cut the explanation short-not even bothering to explain the whole story like you just did. Obviously, it wasn’t hard to do bc you just did it. No one’s treating it like a tv drama-but to act like documentaries can’t be called out or criticized for offering biased opinions with limited or no references to facts is just ignorant.
I want to learn more about Catherine of Aragon. I bet she was really nice
How is she forgotten? She has a drink named after her. She is one of the most famous queens in English and European history. She is known to anyone with a passing interest in English history and is one of the few queens of that era the general public has heard of. Queen Elizabeth I, Mary Queen of Scots and Bloody Mary are all famous.
Well said.
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Thank you.
I live in the US, and we were all taught this in 8th grade.
Also, all sleepovers after that included the Bloody Mary game. She is absolutely not a forgotten Tudor.
Well said. Their clickbait is so tiresome.
i think the reason why she was forgotten was the way they buried her. as i mention in my comment.
History is written by the winners. I feel a great
deal of sorrow for Mary, and to go against her dying wishes and not bury her with her mother is tragic and so wrong. For her to only be recognized by a simple black seal, and given the nickname of Bloody Mary even in death is sad. I feel for those she executed, but let’s not pretend she was the only Tudor monarch to execute hundreds. She should have been buried with her mother, and given proper funeral burial fitting of a Queen. How terribly upsetting her life was. Her father ruined her. She may have been happy if not for his cruelty. Just sad all around.
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I feel that she'd rest much more peacefully if her remains were exhumed & laid with her mother 😞
Well, Mary had killed around 300 Protestants & Elizabeth had executed 700 Catholics but Mary killed them for their religion while Elizabeth killed them for their political stance & that what's made the difference.
Very say he was awful to her
Trust me she doesn't care anymore lol
Mary had a cruel destiny as well as Catherine and all the king's wives... Henry VIII was a true monster.
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I don't think Henry would ever have taken the steps he did had Thomas Cramner had not stuffed his head with this idea that a King had the Divine right on earth; supplanting the pope.(to do whatever the hell (no pun intended) he wanted.). On the surface it made sense.. if it was already decided that a man could be god and that worked once for centuries, why wouldn't it work NOW in England? both churches were debauched and had monarchies loyal to it. Henry called out the Vatican and England/Ireland have been convulsed ever since.
Except Anne of Cleves. She got a settlement and lived well after her marriage was annulled
It is rather sad to hear Katherine described as "fat and ugly." She had been very pretty in her day and she was a popular Queen, well liked by the people of England. During her time as Henry's wife he both loved and respected Katherine, as is shown by Katherine taking over as Regent when Henry was away.
You have zero idea if she was ever pretty.
@@trawlins396 By the standards of the day she was considered pretty. That’s what they meant.
Queen Katherine Of Aragon was far superior to Henry VII in Blood, linage and character and intellect. henry VII was obese and a tyrant and totally deranged why he is revered today is beyond d me. An absolute monster more akin to Ivan the Terrible,( Ivan IV Tsar of Russia)
The problem is that she was older than Henry, and people start talking how she was starting to show signs of age (probably a way to say “too old to have more children”) while he still looked in his prime. I wonder if the king asked to spread this in order to get a general agreement of him needing a new wife.
Fat and ugly. That’s rich coming from a king so bloated he could barely fit in his coffin it ad to be made bigger to get his bloated body in it. How dare anyone call Cathrine fat and ugly
If there's one thing I've learned from Mary's story is no matter how bad things are they can always get better...and then get even worse again with time.
True
After hearing this I’m not sure Mary knew what better was. Yikes.
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Life is suffering and grief.
Henry put Mary through so much mental anguish it’s no wonder the poor girl ended up with so many mental problems. When Elizabeth was born he like threw Mary away. Mary’s mind was so messed up instead of actually blaming her father, she blamed the Protestant religion. Henry did so much mental damage to her she was mentally broken. I feel so sorry for Mary, all she really wanted was her father’s love and affection. Such a sad young girl, even her brother treated her badly because of her religion my heart goes out to Mary and her suffering
There were no such thing as being mental in those days. They wouldn't know what you were talking about. Such was life in a third world country?
She is a murderer. A piece of shit just like her dad.
There was no matter of her "blaming the Protestant religion"; it was a matter of her having been a Catholic and seeing the obvious: that the Protestant religion was a looting operation that executed priests and religious, and plundered the monasteries to benefit the rich. She knew that the Catholic Faith was (and is) the true Faith, the source of the Church set up by Christ on the rock of St. Peter (see Matthew 16 and the history of the Popes).
He didn't "like throw her away". Don't exaggerate.
@@nunyabizness3777 ahhhhh, an apologist I see. Ya selling indulgences was exactly as Jesus intended.
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I just really admire how both Mary and Catherine stayed loyal and true to their faith and their morals. It takes courage to do that.
Because the Catholic Faith is the One True Faith ..
I have lots of sympathy for Mary. However, she was also completely unwavering in her demand for her subjects to conform to Catholicism, and hundreds of Protestants who refused were burnt at the stake or beheaded. She was treated cruelly and so unfairly in her early life, but she may have earned her foul nickname later in life.
Mary cruelly slaughtered thousands of those who wouldn't conform to her "belief." That's religion for you. 😑
@@catonines Her fathar did the same with the catholics when hi change the religion.
Mary burned hundreds but hey she stayed true to Catholicism so I admire that. Come on get your priorities straight.
It was all about a male heir for the king. Both Mary & Elizabeth were treated horribly growing up. It surely affected both girls. Mary had Catholicism ingrained in her & Elizabeth Protestantism. Mary was determined to reverse her father’s Protestant religion & allowed terrilble violence as a result. Elizabeth learned, was stronger, had Cecil as her advisor, listened & wisely never married. Henry the VIII was evil.
What is so sad is she only wanted to be a mother. My heart breaks for women who want children but cannot have them.
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Um didn’t she murder a whole bunch of people?
@Rebecca Farley You didnt have to have one
It is sad indeed. For all the women who are desperate to be mothers. Alas, she barely deserves compassion. ''Thou shalt not kill'' wasn't a part of her vocabulary. All her life was a bitter chase for revenge and killing spree in the Name of the Lord. She got everything written in the Scripture backwards just to fit her narrative. That infamous nickname will stick forever.
She's not forgotten, a wee bit overshadowed by her younger sister but definitely not forgotten. If there's anyone that's forgotten, it's Lady Jane Grey, poor young girl who had a tragic ending. 😭
I agree with you there! Poor Jane… chosen to be Queen, then almost immediately beheaded for it! Now I call that tragic.
Not only Lady Jane Grey; but, also Edward VI. Those two seem to be the ones who are forgotten since there doesn't seem to be that much we hear about them. Mary get's a drink named after her which is pretty sad.
Lady Jane Grey was a pawn in her parents need for power and place her on the throne. God bless the 9 day Queen 🙏
Bloody Mary had Jane killed, surprise, surprise NOT
Mary is more of overHATED than forgotten….
I think that Mary's father, Henry VIII, was responsible for vastly more deaths than Mary. Should he be called "Bloody Henry"?
Right!
Men are never calls either.
Henry was one.
Sorry, meant to write,
Men are never called whores either,but Henry was one.
Oh he was responsible for scores of thousands. Hell he genocided his own people after he tricked them to cease the Pilgrimage of Grace. Murdered thousands of his own people just for wanted to pray how they wanted. I think Mary's depiction in history goes all the way back to her sisters reign, who was another nutcase. Actually Mary was probably the most normal one of the lot. Bloody Mary because she supposedly burned protestants. Thomas Moore burned them too and they made him a saint.
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yes, even Elizabeth had more people executed than Mary
I very much like listening to David Starky. He speaks beautifully with a clear, crisp British accent 👌 I am a cockney from London's East End and I am fascinated with Londons history and past royalty, so to hear his fluent and eloquent oratory skills on such subjects are utterly absorbing to me!
So let's remember that also catherine taught mary how to be a ruling queen. Not just anne boleyn, there were a lot of feminist figures in tudor family.
The more I learn of Henry, the more I think he doesn’t deserve one bit a title like The Great, more like The Terrible. I don’t think Mary can be blamed for being so angry as Queen. She’d stoked that fire ever since her entire life was ripped away by her mentally and emotionally abusive father.
Oh hush. Henry 8 was actually a great King. He built England up greatly. He was a bad husband, but a great King.
You think a bad childhood is an excuse for mass murder?
Mary should have sincerely and comprehensively observed the Scripture, so unpopular in the stately churches even today. PROVERBS 20: 22 "Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee."
@@freeasabird4659 Mary had bloody hands of her own. Malachi 3:2 "But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap."
@The Stock Trader So true. This was the ultimate reason for his break with the Catholic Church, not theology. It was greed and power. Towards the end of his life, he issued his Six Articles, which reestablished certain Catholic doctrines/beliefs such as a celibate clergy, transubstantiation and auricular confessions. By this time, he knew that his mortality was approaching and was probably trying to make some amends with God. It was too late.
Even though Mary did do some awful things in her 5 year rein, her life was absolutely tragic and it really shows just how screwed up King Henry was with his daughters.
And I guess it goes without saying that Henry was also screwed up with his wives.
Absolutely 💯 % agree
Her life was screwed up because she had mental issues. Her father didn't cause that.
@@meghanmisaliar Her father absolutely was a massive contributor to her later possible mental issues. He considered and threatened to murder her at one point if she didn't renounce her mother's marriage and her own legitimacy in favour of Elizabeth.
Imagine going from a princess, the third most important person in the kingdom to a no name slave to this little girl, Elisabeth?
Watch again.
@@ashscheesecakes2064 that's your OPINION. MY OPINION still stands.
My mother’s favorite queen of England was Catherine of Aragon. She watched every movie and show that portrayed queen Cathrine. This year 2022 on January 7th mom died at the age of 88 same day as Cathrine of Aragon.
Sorry for ur loss. Kind of erie.
Mary I was a very tragic Queen, "She was a king's daughter; she was a king's sister; she was a king's wife. She was a queen, and by the same title a king also" Bishop White of Winchester said at her funeral. Yet you have historians who praise Elizabeth as "Gloriana" but when you compare the two, no matter the length of their reigns, you can conclude that Elizabeth was more brutal in her reign. Like some other comments have said, If Elizabeth was in Mary's shoes, she wouldn't of given Lady Jane Grey a second chance, nor especially Henry Grey, her father. The only reason Elizabeth kept Mary alive for 20 years was because of her status as an anointed Queen, as if preserving Mary somehow changes Elizabeth's condemned status in the eyes of God. To be fair, the Marian Persecutions were horrendous, but does that mean we should just ignore all the abominations Elizabeth did in her reign and just call her Gloriana? No. I was too one of these people, but after doing proper research I can confidently say Elizabeth I of England was a despotic, and autocratic tyrant. If you are reading this comment and still buying in to the age's old propaganda of English Protestants, do what I did and don't succumb to the bias of all the historians who continue to sing Elizabeth's praises.
Mary does not deserve to be referred to as Bloody. What she did was bring to justice those that had persecuted and killed Catholics. Let us not forget that the religious related killings were started under her Protestant father, Henry VIII, and continued by her Protestant half brother, Edward VI. It is a distortion and a deflection that Mary killed Protestants just because they were Protestants. Finally, thanks to the Internet and social media, the truth is being revealed.
It's funny as a Brit I remember visiting a bookshop in France and being struck by how many French history books focus on Elizabeth I as a bloody tyrant. It reminded me that these old cultural biases can linger for centuries on both sides.
Rubbish
I don't see how she's forgotten? in many respects, I feel more strongly for Mary than I do for the other Tudor monarchs - including her sister Elizabeth. MARY went through HELL. Disowned by her father and seeing her dear mother discarded as another woman hijacked her place as queen. Being forbidden to even meet her mother and then her own mother's sad demise must have left her feeling extremely alone and abandoned in the world. Morality back in the 16th century was extremely different to our modern understanding, so judging her with a modern lens is unfair IMO. also...Sure, she killed people in her short reign, but so did her father and so did her sister- still you never hear them called Bloody Henry or Bloody Elizabeth.
The one thing I took away from this is that Henry VIII was the true bastard.
He had so many innocent people tortured and killed if they went against him or didn't meet his requirements; Yes he was a cold hearted bastard.
@@gillianbrookwell1678 so did Mary!! Duh!
He wasn't a bastard. He was a King. That's not easy.
@@trawlins396 very few king is true king he kill more people in 1 years than mary his own daughter did in 5 years just because you come out from a royal vagina doesn't mean you not a bastard most kings are horrible anyway
Henry didnt need love as King. He demanded fear and the chop
So glad that I have discovered this channel. No dramatization. 100% pure history very well told.
But it isn't.
How so? @@susanwebber9247
I just love historical documentaries 😩💗
For some reason British people narrate documentaries best. If it's not narrated by a British person then it's not legit. Only exception is Morgan freeman.
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who ever the lady actress portraying Mary in this video is outstanding amazing 🙂
I absolutely love Sir David Starkey’s delivery - he is by far my favourite narrator of these history programmes ❤❤❤
You cannot judge this scenario on today's standards . The times were incredibly cruel . But there were the Saints that came forth to stand up for what they believed in .Weather it be to support the Pope or the King of England...Catholic or Protestant . It seems that the poor people of the Tudor times were compelled to do or die.
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Lets tell some truth here: Mary did in fact execute (mostly by burning) just under 800 Protestants but Elizabeth executed just over 1200 Catholics and Edward about the same number and good ol' Henry VIII over 2000 Catholics including his 68 year old grand aunt. Mary was the choice of the common people, and it was the common people who rallied behind her, supplied her with artillary against the nobility, against the dukes and earls who had participated in Henry 8's dolling out of church lands to the landed nobility. The various nobles benefited hugely from the overthrow of the catholic church, the peasants just got more work to do. Its clear that the video relates only the Protestant viewpoint (as does every story ive ever seen out of England), the "official" version, a self-serving bias, clinically speaking, if ever there was one. Im not particularly being pro-Catholic here (and Catholic human rights abuses surely abound too), but I am ardently pro-truth, and this constant retelling of the tales of "Bloody Mary" are as manufactured, bigoted and biased as the anti Catholic laws that still govern England, even to this day. I surmise that its impossible to be even-handed or even truthful when the church is inextricably tied and tied-in to a part of the government. Dont know, But dont ask the Europeans.
Damn, that's sounds pretty accurate haha
Well, the winners write history, and England had already become a Protestant country. Moreover, Elizabeth was an expert propagandist, employing artists and writers to disproportionately glorify her.
Exactly. History is distorted according the
Writers intentions.
Makes you wonder what the peasants got out of the reformation?
It seems you are a Catholic apologist instead of a true student of history whatever it may be.
No matter whether your on team Elizabeth or team Mary they both had a pretty horrendous time before even coming to the crown.
True. One Queen, Elizabeth learned from the mistakes she saw happening around her while the other Queen, Mary I, didn't. Just shows you what happens when you allow religion to turn you into a fanatic like Mary I did.
I love them both. Their dad was a demon. There’s no way around it
I wonder is perhaps the reason she thought she was pregnant all those times has something to do with the theory of her death by ovarian cancer. Her ovaries would swell, likely with tumor or fluid, she would begin to have nausea, aversions to eating, and other pregnancy related symptoms. Maybe she had spent that time thinking she was finally with child, only for nothing to come of it.
7:12 um, it was a bit more complicated than Katherine became fat and ugly so Henry fell for Anne boelyn.. to boil it down to a sentence like he used here is such a mischaracterization and an injustice to both Katherine and Anne, and even Henry!
Katherine is ugly.
Katherine was a true and worthy Queen… she was done sooo wrong…
@@karawilliamson106 agreed!
She gained weight from frequent pregnancies. She wasn't ugly either. As Karma would have it, her husband became both!
Ugly wasnt one of the issues Henry had with Katherine
Going into menopauze without baring a son sums it up completly
Just because Henry tought Anne was beautiful doesnt make Katherine ugly
It's astonishing how anyone got anything done while they attended mass 4 times/day and spent hours in private prayer.
Well...she didn't have a man...
She probably didn't in all reality
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She musta been praying for something to happen. All those years praying turned her into an envious, stubborn, conceited cruel, murderous person. Her mom was probably spinning in her grave. KOA was peaceful & genuinely pious. Unlike her bloody daughter. I'm surprised she wasn't executed.
@@wilfordfraser6347 and..... That made her murderous & crazy?
The narrative captures the complexities of Mary I’s life beautifully, making her struggles and triumphs relatable and engaging.
I honestly feel that even though Mary was genuine with her attempts of ridding England of "evil", she was just plain old pissed!
Imagine, you are raised with the feeling of every waking moment that someday you will be ruler of a grand land. Your parents and subjects love and adore you, and the future cannot come sooner. But the closer the future comes the more your crown, your subjects, and ultimately your family is taken away. But you are the future ruler, surely someone must be willing to hear you out, right? ...right?
@@supersaiandemon You def should do documentary intros. 😉
Yeah, she was definitely wronged and powerless for years…not surprising that she would have some desire for revenge. Not great, but understandable.
Something that we can, 5M on, relate to
She was vengeful and angry for the treatment she received from her father so she turned into a killer by burning as many protestants as she could.
It's amazing to think that if little 52 day old Henry Duke of Cornwall hadn't passed, this would story would have been drastically different. And no one would be as enthralled in Henry the 8th and his line! Henry treated both of his daughters like crap and that's why Mary was as vengeful as she was.
I agree about 52 day old Henry. But I disagree about blaming Henry VIII completely for Mary's evil. Was he a bastard? Yes. But she was an adult and responsible for her choices. There were about 15 choices she could have made and been infinitely happier with her life. (Moving to Catholic Spain, for example, where she would have been surrounded by supportive and loving family and friends and she could have freely practiced her faith w/o conflict or problem.) But, instead, she chose to stay in England, where she was miserable, just to be spiteful and because she didn't want to let her father, brother, or sister "win". A grown up behaving like a petulant, whiny child and clinging to situations that made her miserable, when she had better options, doesn't excuse torturing 300 people (including a newborn infant) to death because they disagree with her.
@@whaleymom76 If Mary had left for Spain she would have been at the mercy of whoever would have her. Mary would also not have been left alone by the English because she was too dangerous.
@@whaleymom76 would Henry actually let her leave though? Surely she was too valuable a pawn to ship off abroad.
@@kaysmith8992 I would agree with that had he not already betrothed her to 3 different foreign nations' leaders or heirs before her 5th birthday. 🙂
@@whaleymom76 ah I thought in your first comment you meant she could just go off on her own if she wanted. The point is Henry VIII would have needed to authorise that, unfortunately Mary had probably angered him so much with her stubborn support for her mother.
God almighty i have seen this under so many different titles people are just posting other peoples work.
lesley cooke with more ads
lesley cooke...um, yes....these are postings of televised docudramas, not the original work of ANY sharer.
lesley cooke ikr
@@LithaKelitha If you want to view this without the adds just fast forward to the last minute or so of the video. Let it run & then hit replay, it will now play in its entirety add free.
It’s really NOBODIES “work” except for the people who actually made it. Just sayin’.
i fully support all history docs and love them, but she is hardly forgotten, except by people who are not interested in history... she was spoken about with great enthusiasm by my earliest social studies teachers
Exactly
You can’t post a David Starkey documentary rename it not mention him and make out it’s a new one
Apparently, they can. And with lots of other historical documentaries as well, under new names and on one of their other channels. I'm just surprised so many people didn't notice, glad to see I wasn't the only one who was annoyed.
@@Catssandra13 That is plagiarism! I won't watch this now, if the author lacks academic honesty how can I believe anything he authors? Thanks for pointing that out. God bless and stay safe.
Tag the original channel holder and they can FLAG them for copyright infringement
You're so right. I would rather part with £££ for the original DVD's than give credence to these digital thieves. Thankfully, my Starkey collection is nearly complete. Just a couple of books to go, too. 😌
Even this is not the case, it’s so profiling that the Spanish Princess are always showing as brunettes specially Catherine of Aragon when she resembles a lot like her mother Isabel of Castille, blond and blue 👀 being.
This is so well done and beautifully presented! I love royal history and you make it come alive. Thank you to all who make these compelling videos!
Good Lord! Great show. Yet, even greater, what a gorgeous well kept lawn inside of the ruins of that shelled church! Wow!!!
England dodged a bullet when Edward VI died. He was an arrogant, single minded zealot who may have made his father seem mild in comparison. Yes, Mary's reign was bloody, but it was short and it laid the foundation for Elizabeth.
IDIOT he was a child
Kid was just a little turd imagine bein bossed around by him and he's runnin the show 💀LOL
Who knows.. There are a lot of accounts suggesting Edward had the stuff to be a great king?..
Yes!! Edward was the worst. There were even accounts of his cruelty as a child. He would have turned out to be an terrible autocrat.
@@caterina_sforza2688sounds like he would have been another richard II
True Anne and Mary didn't get along, but she suffered more from Henry than Anne. A lot of the accounts about Mary's mistreatment came from her cousin Eustace Chapyus who hated the Boleyns and wasn't even there at the time and was merely just relaying gossip. There's no evidence that Anne ever threatened Mary's life. To talk about a royal like that - bastard or not - was socially unacceptable at the time.
But Anne definitely goaded Henry into staying away from Mary and bastardizing and abusing her and all that. Anne was many things, but definitely not a nice person. She was ambitious and powerful-hungry and Mary was the biggest threat to her.
How could Mary inherit the throne if Henry had her declared a bastsrd
@@caterina_sforza2688 how was Mary the biggest threat to her?
Eustace Chapuys was the Spanish Ambassador to England and was in no was related to Mary. Where do some of get these things from?
In England she is one of the few queens we learn about in depth. Her impact was great. Many died
I wonder what would have happened if Henry VIII actually had Mary executed? He had already become an outcast of sorts in Europe as other Europeans looked with bemusement and horror at his marital problems and Mary at the time was very popular in England. The English were aghast at the way that Henry had treated the very popular Queen Catherine. They would have been horrified if he had his own daughter executed and then there was Mary's powerful cousin, Emperor Charles. Would he have invaded England? Its horrifying how genuinely evil Henry had become. One thing is executing Anne, another is executing his own daughter! What an unnatural father.
It lends credence to the theory he suffered one of those extreme concussions that alters your personality and judgement.
Remember...that Mary I was the granddaughter of Ferdand and Isabella powerful / the IT couple at the time. This is the reason Henry did not behead Anne of Clever. Anne was a foreign "princess".
@@kartos. Thank you for pointing this out 👏
I think Charles might have invaded, especially if Katherine was still alive. Executing his cousin and shedding would be too much. Charles was much much more powerful than Henry, so England didn’t stand a chance against him alone. And I don’t think France would have helped him in this case, it would be too embarrassing to ally with a child-murdering monster, the public sentiment wouldn’t have tolerated it.
@@michaelbaughman4017 interestingly Isabella was also cruel to her own daughter Joanna the Mad, Catherine of Aragon's sister and thus Mary's aunt.
What about all those murdered by her father Henry (including Margaret Pole, Thomas More, John Fisher, etc.), her siblings Edward and Elizabeth, and James I? Why not Bloody Hank, Ed, Bess, and Jim? Elizabeth on her own killed more Catholics than her sister did Protestants.
Wait really???
Exactly. Mary Tudor is being demonised
@@symone5358 So all people Elizabeth killed were all guilty?
History was written by the winner.
@@symone5358 “Mary Queen of Scott” is “Queen Elizabeth I” cousin from her father side of the family “ King Henry VIII “. Since “Queen Elizabeth” died with no heir the crown of England will have go to the most senior male of the family blood line. That where Mary Queen of Scott’s son “King James I”comes in. Mary Queen of Scott’s mother is King Henry VIII’s sister, that’s why King James I become the king of England.
Minute 18:00 the ocean isnt moving .
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That's not the ocean, it's sand! The tide goes really far out in the UK :o
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That was weird. I saw the comment at the exact minute.
Pisses me of that the Spanish side of her family did NOTHING!!
She was "owned" by Henry. The Spanish side of her family had no claim to her and no power to do anything for her. Women were pawns back then, more like things that had value if used in specific ways. They were not considered equals to men.
Henry was smart enough to toe the line when it came to what he could with Catharine.
Had he had her beheaded, not only would the people of England revolt but I'd bet Spain and the Holy Roman Empire would of probably launched a military campaign against Henry.
True
The Spanish side of her family was littered with mentally unbalanced people and two insane one's. Her sister Juana was a raving maniac who took her husband's corpse with her everywhere she went, and fondled and kissed it each night and morning through all the stages of decay. Juana was also the Aunt of the insane Don Carlos whose own father killed him when he was nine years old . He was heir to the Throne of Spain and his father would not let him become King, that tells you how insane Don Carlos was
This documentary has given me a clearer explanation of this tumultous time in English history than I have ever had.
I love David Starkey’s voice. Love from Australia 🇦🇺
*David
@@mycatisabastard2361 Fixed 😜
@@margyrowland 😄
Her story is so sad, the only happiness she had was when she was a child , and when she thought she found love in her husband 🙁 or even when she thought she was expecting , 😔 I mean I don’t agree with burning of people but she did have a really sad life 😔😒
Mary does not deserve to be referred to as Bloody. What she did was bring to justice those that had persecuted and killed Catholics. Let us not forget that the religious related killings were started under her Protestant father, Henry VIII, and continued by her Protestant half brother, Edward VI. It is a distortion and a deflection that Mary killed Protestants just because they were Protestants. Finally, thanks to the Internet and social media, the truth is being revealed.
Oh come now, Mary I is hardly forgotten
Absolutely wonderfully told, bringing History to life in a way that no teacher ever has. Thank you.
"A perfect saint, who dressed badly." 😂
She could hardly be considered “forgotten”. If anything she is one of the more known Tudors.
I think she’s more well known because of her moniker “Bloody Mary” but compared to Henry Vlll and Elizabeth l she isn’t as acknowledged.
David Starkey is a great historian. One of my favorites next to Lucy Worsley. Their documentaries are my favorites!
I know, I love him
I know, I love him
I love him too.
Starkey is in the Premier League - all by himself. The only one that comes close (to intelligence and delivery / knowledge) is Dr Helen Castor.
Her phantom pregnancy had to be humiliating. I feel for her for multiple things that happened over her life, but that is probably the worst IMO
Oh yeah, so much worse than the burning of people.
Being close to death didn’t stop her signing the warrant for the burning of two London heretics. Luckily for them it wasn’t issued for some reason, and they escaped the flames.
I'm not English, but "Bloody Mary" is very well known. Also, the reason why this popular drink, is called that way. Also the story of the false pregnancy, which most probably was a bowel sickness. In my opinion, Mary 's father wasn't a monster, as people sometimes claim. He was the King of his times. Try, for a sec., to put yourself in his shoes.
Poor Jane Grey.
Honestly, she was a intruder. The king (Henry VIII) had more issue than Edward and they were the heirs. I get that Edward named her, but she went along with a thirst for power when it was obvious that the throne didnt belong to her
No kidding!
You should watch the 3 part documentary "England's Forgotten Queen: The Life and Death of Lady Jane Grey ".
@@haruno21 She didn't want the throne but she got bullied into it. She cried when she found out. I mean come on she was 16 years old! Her mother was an ambitious woman and frequently beat Jane. There was no social services nor any protection from abusive parents which Henry and Frances Grey were. Jane only found peace and happiness under the wardship of Catherine Parr. When Catherine died Jane dreaded going home. Mary understood Jane was a pawn by her parents and The Duke of Northumberland and spared her. Had Sir Thomas Wyatt not rebelled and her father participated in it Jane would've lived longer. I don't think Frances Grey mourned her daughter. In fact after the execution of her husband and eldest child Frances managed to worm her way to Mary begging forgiveness. It worked. Jane Grey never had a thirst for power. She was more of a victim. Edward VI was also to blame by not insisting on following his father's will in the Line of Succession and he wasn't flexible like Mary when it came to religion.
@@einezcrespo2107 Well said, Jane's death was a terrible, needless tragedy and the result of her unscrupulous parents' ambition. They were the ones who should've been in the Tower.
My daughter!!!!!
Hehe Elizabeth is Anne Boleyn’s daughter
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@@이민호-k4q she will be queen of England for forty four years
Okie is a good vid
@@lollipop96537 Dont forget your mother was a great queen, im a fan of Queen Anne Bolyen she is a misunderstood character who didnt deserve the fate that your father did to her. You saved England and you are a strong woman who dont believe that marriage is always the answer.
Today’ they should put mary with her mother Katherine queen of England
Exchange Westminster cathedral for Peterborough Cathedral? I think not.
great documentary. well done. stayed through the whole thing.
I love these so much! Such interesting details you don’t get in other places. I go to sleep to these… it’s like a bedtime story 😊
One cannot neglect how much blood was shed during her reign amongst the protestants - but also not that Queen Elizabeth, her sister, prosecuted the catholics during her reign. But here the circumstances are different because Elizabeth was threatend by the pope and Philipp II. But one has also to acknowledge that during the reign of her brother Edward, the king always put pressure on her to abandon the catholic faith. Only the fear of the king and his advisers that Mary's cousin emperor Charles V could invade England prevented further reprisals for her.
We blew the SPANISH ARMADA out of our waters
I am proud as a black person that I have Scottish blood running through my veins that's why I write stories regarding Queens and history.
Anne Boleyn played with fire and she paid the ultimate price.
What did Anne Boleyn do?
@@kenna163 are you joking or you don’t know the history?
@@galesal1109 Was I speaking to you? I don't think I was. Don't be condescending. Why would I be here if I didn't already know everything about Anne Boleyn?
OP said "played with fire" which is ridiculous to say that's why I asked what has she done
@@kenna163 ask stupid questions expect condescending responses.
@@galesal1109 there’s no need to be condescending though. Maybe kenna really and genuinely wants to know what OP meant about Anne Boleyn playing with fire/not too familiar with everything that went on during this this period.
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it said that Catherine of Aragon had turned fat & ugly & this the reason Henry divorced her. Seriously?? I believe she was unable to birth a male heir & this was the reason for Henry’s fading affection. Why would the script writers have added this fabricated untruth to an otherwise interesting documentary?
She did birth a male heir -- he only lived a month.
She had several miscarriages and stillbirths in addition to the baby that died after a month or so. I can imagine that must have taken a toll on her body.
Idk.. I think it’s possible the host was saying it facetiously, meaning that was Henry’s excuse, or reasoning.. If only to fool himself?..
The Documentary is UNTRUE
She is forgotten because NO ONE in Hollywood is making a SERIES About her, NO ONE in Hollywood has CREATED SEASONS for us to get to know her life FROM CHILDHOOD/HER RELATIONSHIPS-Teenagehood, INTO ADULTHOOD…./her Relationships/Family.
We ALL KNOW ABOUT HENRY & ELIZABETH & OTHERS-there are COUNTLESS FILMS ABOUT THEM & others,
BUT WHEN OH WHEN WILL WE GET TO SEE AN IN-DEPTH SERIES/SEASONS of QUEEN MARY-BEFORE SHE TURNED INTO what we NOW KNOW to be called ‘bloody Mary’….. 🤔
LEFT WONDERING,
STILL WAITING….
It Could be SO AWESOME to ADD to a Royal Collection Xx
Never mind Hollywood, try reading some books if you want the truth. Agnes Strickland LIVES OF THE QUEEN'S OF ENGLAND will straighten things out for you
WHEN IM A PROFESSIONAL FILM DIRECTOR I WILL
She's not forgotten....kids still warn, "Bloody Mary's coming!" They might not know her history, but her grisly reputation persists 600 years later.
I do not believe in Bloody Mary… I do not believe in Bloody Mary…
Our older sisters shoved my brother and I in the bathroom, and for some reason (I do know why, but that’s another story) the light switch was outside the door.. And we had to repeat that 10 times..
My oldest sister was in the shower wrapped in a green blanket with a flashlight and she turned it on at 10.. lol..
My poor 9 year old brother almost had a heart attack!.. lolololol!..
18:11 the water isn’t moving. 😂
There was probably some problem with the original footage, so they reshot it in a studio with a static greenscreen picture in the background. :D
Eh, you get the idea... 🤣
looks fake lmao
LOL< I came here to see if anyone else noticed this
My Ancestor Bishop John White was jailed because He spoke so highly of Mary at her Funeral.Elizabeth threw him in the Tower.And still researching it all,but found that to be quite a find on my dads side.The White Family and still carry the surname deriving out of London.Interesting 🙂
are you Catholic?
@@szymonszymon2329 No,I am not,but I am finding my White (Dads)side was Quaker/Puritan and we’re cousins or directly related to Bridget and Catherine White”Mayflower”
I am a Freespirit and I don’t believe in the current foundations of the church.
Interesting I have John White too. For me my royal blood ends with House of Stuarts. While in Spain my family time line ends in 1600s. After that we decided to have normal lives and lived happy ever after.
And Boudicca was my great, great ad infinitum aunt.
Bloody brilliant documentary ❤
I wish they would stop labeling Queen Mary as Bloody Mary she deserves Respect...and Prayers
Mary does not deserve to be referred to as Bloody. What she did was bring to justice those that had persecuted and killed Catholics. Let us not forget that the religious related killings were started under her Protestant father, Henry VIII, and continued by her Protestant half brother, Edward VI. It is a distortion and a deflection that Mary killed Protestants just because they were Protestants. Finally, thanks to the Internet and social media, the truth is being revealed.
No she doesn't
@susanwebber9247 why? She definitely deserves respect
Respect?! You can’t be serious.
@@tamlynn786 why doesn't she
Near the Essex coast - he's standing in front of a picture and they have a fan blowing on him. Apart from that, these are great and I love this presenter.
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Am I the only who wonders how history would’ve been if Anne Boleyn or Catherine of Aragon gave Henry a son or if Jane Seymour didn’t die or if Katherine Parr was rlly beheaded and Henry had 7 wives
I've often thought that myself, especially the first son of Catherine who died after about a month.
@@Chuck0856 then obviously there would be no Anne Boleyn Jane Grey, the history would be fully Catholic and he would be the heir
Or if the obnoxiously healthy Anne of Cleves had been given the chance to bear a child.
Henry's wives had plenty of boys but they did not survive infancy.
@@3John-Bishop yeah, sorry about that mistaken I commented that 7 months ago before I read a book of Catherine of argon. Most of her kids died or she miscarried in those 9 pregnancies
Katharyn of Aragon made sure that her daughter, Mary will be at par with the strength of Men to rule one day. Mother's love and Hail to women power. The sad story until death/burial.
Her story is so sad. 😢 I think how she was treated was awful. And her poor mother. To tear them apart and keep them from each other like that? It's just so heartbreaking. She was human. She was a queen. She tried to reign and rule and her faith was her guiding light throughout her days. So I feel she was doing what she thought was right and the times and turmoil were rampant. She isn't the first ruler to execute someone. look at who she had as examples; her grandmother Isabella of Castile and Aragon. Her mom Cathrine fought wars too. So did her father, her cousins too she could look at as examples. Ruling as a monarch must have been so stressful. She also had health issues too. She should have been treated better. May she rest in peace with her mom.
I remember hearing how Henry had turned to the bible to find out why Catharine was never able to give him a son and found that god had commanded that you should never merry your brother's widow, which is what he did and once he found out under god's law that his marriage was wrong he tried to have the pope over turn it and annule the marriage over that. But despite that fact he refused, which is what led to everything that happened afterwards. He wanted a son so badly as that kept the the right to rule within the Tudor family.
On the one hand, I do feel a bit sorry for Mary, but on the other, having a traumatic childhood is NOT a valid excuse to commit murder. Cranmer's execution I get, there was no valid reason for the divorce between Henry and Catherine. Henry was just thinking with the wrong head. And on that note, it's very likely to have been his fault in the first place. Catherine WAS capable of having children so the fault clearly does not lie with her. Even so, his treatment of his so-called "pearl in the world" was appalling, to say the least even when trying to be nice about it. So in that sense, I DO feel sorry for her but even so she could have CHOSEN to be the better woman rather than the tyrant she became in the end. I do think she SHOULD have been laid to rest with her mother though. There was no reason for THAT final insult. They should have at least respected that even if they didn't like her in general
You're judging by today's standards. Being the wrong religion was the worst possible crime. Most of the wars and bloodshed for the first 1800 years of Christianity were about religion.
@@gy2gy246 people today are so stupid to judge stuff from the past. I bet they'll also say the same if they discovered about Mary's grandmother
You’re forgetting that henry literally killed tens of thousands of people and Mary killed 300 in five years right? Besides, her reasons weren’t bloodshed and tyranny like Henry. She was trying to honor her mother in a sense by restoring Catholicism in England. She also underestimated how many people were going to defy her. She thought she would kill some and i’d be enough, but she was wrong.
she is a better person than her dad he kill more people in 1 years more than her in 5 years very few monarch not muder more than 1000
Elizabeth l and Edward lV burned over one thousand Catholics while Mary l burned 800 protestants
Religious zealotry is responsible for so many of history’s most horrifically brutal chapters, then and now.
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There’s another Mary, Henry VIII’s sister. Mary, former Queen of France, Duchess of Suffolk. She’s less well known than this Mary
Hi Sarah, how are you doing today?
Lady Jane Grey's Grandmother
Crazy part is if Henry had named Mary his heir and married her to a king his grandchildren would be the rulers of multiple countries. Now he has no legitimate descendants and his sister’s descendants sit the throne.
The actress playing Mary has the most perfect facial expressions of disgust! LOL
I know a catholic by the answers on here.
I thought the same. Her expression in the scene when Elizabeth was a baby, are spot on! lol perfect actress for the role.
RIGHT I LOVED IT!
Hardly forgotten! She's recognised as someone who condemned many people to death by the most hideous death imaginable! How the hell do you think she earned the name "Bloody Mary"!
It's amazing how present Monarch have not done anything to have a better burial for Queen Mary.
Thats not amazing she was catholic
@@dvangils227 exactly
Well to honor Mary's wishes they'd have to disturb Elizabeth's tomb in the process. And how well would that go over in the U.K?
Maybe because UK is a protestant country?
They are German, not Tudors. They couldn't care less
26:20 “Mary then rose, as one possessed “ truer words weren’t spoken in this documentary than those. She was demon possessed.
4:40 - wow that chick really does look like Catherine of Aragon (at least, from the paintings shown at 3:50 ) 😅
As I'm watching this the only queen I've ever known Queen Elizabeth has died. I have never understood the use of Kings and Queens because I live in the states but I can't help but I can't help but to feel sad about losing that couple.
The king ruled the country at this point in history. He was in charge of everything. We didn't have a government like we do today for hundreds of years after
1. Edward vi is the forgotten Tudor monarch, not his favorite sister Queen Mary. Mary still needs way more recognition and is somewhat unknown, but i wouldn't call her forgotten, because many people still know about her (or rather, all the lies protestants made up about her).
2. The woman on the thumbnail is not Mary I but her aunt and namesake.
No lies about Mary, she was simply a bitter, twisted woman who was hell bent on hurting others, all she cared about was putting England under the control of the papacy, mean spirited and vicious, oh and btw, I'm a Catholic.
Mary was hardly his favorite sister at the end of his life.
Finally someone said it ! That they put the wrong Mary in the thumbnail . That's Mary 'Rose' Tudor who eloped with Henry's best friend . Though with all the Mary's running around at the time anyone would get confused .
You are all muddled up. Henry VII favourite Sister was Mary who briefly became Queen of France before she came back to England to marry Charles Brandon as Henry has promised if she would agree to marry the French King first
7:02 What?? You mean in Henry's eyes?? Because I've never read anywhere that Catherine was growing fat and ugly. Henry himself was becoming that.
I love how he says yeuh. It’s been five yeuhs
Brilliant Thank you for this enlightening post
I learned much from it Also loved the music
Beautiful comment, hi Ann how are you and your family doing with the pandemic issue?
You learned nothing
While I appreciate the tile,Queen Mary Tudor most defiantly was way shy of a forgotten queen. She was, however, misunderstood. Most in her spirit, causes and physical beauty.
She was her Mothers daughter, and I'm sure Catherine would of have been proud that her daughter became to first Queen Regnant of England.
She was also her aunt's niece, Joanna the Mad had a truly sad life if you ever read about her.
The older I get, the more sympathy I have for Mary.
Same
She is the icon of jaded youth. Edward was raised happy, Elizabeth was raised paranoid, but Mary was the only one who had both.
I don't. Self-centred bastard & a Religious tyrant. Religious despot. Arsonist. And I'm an atheist.
Not only did Elizabeth order the executions of far more people than did Mary, but she NEVER would have given Jane Grey and company a second chance, in contrast to Mary.
Try taking the time of their reign in to consideration though. Elisabeth had decades on the throb´ne, Mary had a couple of years
Elizabeth never put men to the pyre simply because of their religion. She also reigned far, far longer.
My, what a gift for clairvoyance you have - or is it good, old fashioned bigotry?
Mary had Jane grey beheaded.
@@vajee5 yes, and she and her husband were still just teenagers.
Tragic woman, tragic life. I feel so sorry for what she had to endure, from girlhood to queenship.
and up t her place right now in Hell
The "actress" baby Elizabeth is so darned cute.