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@@tearie4150that’s what I was thinking. It’s like she snitched on herself and tried to cover it up by saying “Violet said I was being dumb” like girl what? And she’s making it seem like Kandy started the “Elliot with 3 k’s” as if that wasn’t the fans themselves.
@@tearie4150 I honestly feel she mightve not been aware how some of these words are hurtful and display microaggressions, but her response to being called out has consequences. She didn't handle it well and that combined with bullying has gotten her to full Karen
“I am not racist or transphobic, and do not have the ability to be so in my heart.” Girl…allyship 101 is learning that you can, intentionally or unintentionally, harm groups you aren’t a part of and understanding that being “one of the good ones” doesn’t exempt you from criticism.
I understand. The hate shes getting is still kinda unwarranted. She never had any ill intention so its hypocrisy to send ill will right back at her. How about we just become adaptable and kind people and work through people’s mistakes instead of smearing and gossiping.🤦♀️
Elliotts reaction really focused on her intention which is the wrong move: you can endorse completely transphobic or racist language or stereotypes without intending to do so, but when you say you know what’s in your heart and that’s good enough it reads like you don’t care. People from those minorities are telling you there’s a problem and your hand waving it away.
Agreed. She’s taking it personally which does nothing to help marginalized groups. Saying you’re not racist or transphobic is a dead end defence when you clearly have said and done racist and transphobic things. She needs to focus on her privilege and less on proving she’s a good person. It’s privilege that makes a white person compliment someone’s “black girl magic” and then spew racist tropes all the while thinking it’s ok.
I agree that focusing on intent is not the right move, if you're looking for forgiveness from folks who are deeply intrenched in identitarianism; however, realistically speaking, intent should matter the absolute most. but let's face it, the other girls decided something about Elliott long ago, and nothing Elliott says or does it going to change that -- unless she were to apologize in a hyper specific way that the others see fit. they want Elliott to admit that she was racist and transphobic, and because Elliott is unwilling to do that because it's simply not true, she will never be "forgiven" for the crime of trying too hard to fit in and saying some stupid stuff she didn't understand. I hate all this silly language policing from people who practice identitarianism. it ends up hurting people who never had hate in their hearts. it's not good for anyone, ever... and yes, Kandy is being a bully about it. but if I could give Elliott two pieces of advice it would be to: 1. stop bringing this stuff up. until you're willing to label yourself a racist, they will never forgive you. so just move on.. block them from social media, and pray they stop shit talking you in public, so it doesn't affect your ability to do you job. 2. live your life as the person you know you are. don't worry about what others think. if you know who you are, and your actions back that up, people will see that eventually. and I know it seems today that words are more important than actions, but that's not true. if your actions show that you are a good person, then the people worth having in your life will come around and stick around.
And yet talking about what an impact others attempts at holding her accountable has had on *her*. It’s something POC and trans people could never understand. 🙄🙄🙄
But that's really not what they were trying to convey. What Elliott was trying to say was that why wait a full year after the season was aired to do an interview and then come forward with these allegations. Why be civil and act like you are on good terms with each other and then go on, out of the blue, with these allegations. Why not say it in the moment, or a month after, during the time when they were touring together. Like, normally if someone says something provocative, hurtful, phobic or other offensive stuff you want to call them out in that moment. Not wait for a year and then lift the cat up to the table. And yeah, I know. Kandy did tell Elliott during untucked that they should be mindful of what and how they speak to POC but at any point did they really be like "hey, this is actually racist, you should stop now"? No, it was after the season was aired that Kandy and Symone started calling Elliott racist and it was a full year later that Gottmik did the interview. 🤷🏻♂️ That was the point that Elliott was trying to get through. And honestly, while I don't agree with Elliott's behaviour or how they were speaking to POC I do agree with the fact that it's rather odd and even shitty to start calling out someone for saying stupid stuff a year later. We all say dumb stuff sometimes, not on the same level as Elliott necessarily though, and personally I would like to get called out on the moment it happens and not a year later so I can immediately apologize and take a mental note to fix my behaviour.
@@sundayandthebee Yeah, they were strategic about what they were doing with these allegations and waiting for Elliott to dig their own grave. Which anyone could see was about to happen eventually. What I do say is that Elliott is at least trying to learn and is not purposefully racist or transphobic which is good since they can still learn and grow.
@@lavalsedkristian people are allowed to bring this shit up all they want and Kandy DID call her out back then which is pretty obvious since they have proof but Elliot never once took accountability so she got called out. If she had taken proper accountability this wouldn't have come out. your comment is bullshit.
@@lavalsedkristianwhy be civil? Are you serious or delusional? If Mik just straight up ignored Elliotkkk, then Eliot would have harped on even more about being excluded. Elliottt's complaints are CONTRADICTORY
@@lavalsedkristiannot everyone has the mental capacity to immediately call out and respond to discriminatory comments. It's CRAZY how you're putting the onus and more responsibility on the victims instead of the aggressor (Elliot).
Are Kandy, Symone and Gotmik perfect? No. Have they expressed with evidence that they spoke up about it and tried to educate Elliott that her behavior is not correct? Yes. Has Elliott tried to become a better person? Yes. But I don’t think years later being interviewed by someone who has nothing to do with the situation helps this. You settle this not on social media and with the people involved.
Gotmik and Violet talked about Elliott so they could take the spotlight off them. By that time they were being heavily critiqued for some misconduct so they used Elliott as a bait for fans. I hate season 13 so much. Really. All of them are problematic
I guess this is something that would need to be settled on social media because otherwise there was 0 chance of the fans respecting her after she was dragged for so long. Maybe if Kandy, Gotmik and Symone defended her and said "we have made peace and had discussions in private- it is true that Elliot has grown" but yaehhh
@@PuccioMA oh I definitely agree with that too. I think if this would ever be resolved, everyone needs to take it off social media and come at this like mature adults. I don’t see that ever happening though
@@darkblue4959 To take accountability for your previous racist or transphobic words you should 1. Accept that you said it 2. Apologize to the offended parties, privately is best 3. Tell the public what you've learned and what you'll do differently. Influencers do it so much they've got it down to a formula.
@@tulsaxenfreak well nobody's going to accept an apology that doesn't accept that she said what she's apologizing for. Part of making a good apology is taking accountability, which she is allergic to doing, saying "I didn't say it, I didn't mean it, I didn't understand what I was saying" over and over.
@@tulsaxenfreak if that happens, a truly accountable person must accept that people might not want to accept the apology. elliot should've just left it at that and focused on SHOWING us that they've learned and matured, rather than constantly TELLING us (their activism tweets) and shoving the apology down the throats of the public (who are not the recipients) and the people who rejected the apology. elliot is forcing everyone to accept her apology and keeps bringing it up which honestly makes it worse. it's never about one's intentions but the consequences, something which she doesn't understand from the most recent podcast interview
my biggest problem in the interview when she's discussing her activism (which is in no doubt great btw! no problem with that at all) she later says "i hope people see that i am learning". maybe it wasn't her intention, but it makes it seem as if her becoming an activist is more of a way for her to clean her image and prove the haters wrong, rather than to actually show how committed she is to the causes shes uplifting.
@Lisa-kf4iu yeah i agree! but i dont think she necessarily needs to SAY that she's learning. imo the work she's doing already proves and shows that. i think her overexplaining herself is doing her more harm than good tbh
yep the optics for that were pretty bad... but that's just optics. i admire the hustle, tbh. nobody else seems willing to promote her so she's promoting herself. i kinda wish she didn't have "try" to cater to public opinion as much but it's impossible not to since drag queens get booked based on their reputation.
Activism needs principles, if she doesn't have them, then it's grifting. I'm not trying to say she can't be redeemed, but she has to put in the work, and miss thing cares about her personal image too much to take accountability then just grow. When she uses her activism to sneer at all the other queens as if they do absolutely nothing, it just comes off as grifting, and we as a community DO NOT need that.
I lived in Dallas for 5 yrs. As a POC and raised in the PNW, I could not believe the level of racist and off the wall remarks I would get in the Dallas gay scene. That being said. I'm not surprised one bit about how Elliott interacts with POC. It's so engrained in the environment of the south.
I'm glad that this is the reaction from her fellow competitors now Sharon Needles repeatedly used the N-word on set, and there are pictures of her in N@zi uniforms and blackface ... and she WON her season It's good to see that another Sharon Needles on Drag Race wouldn't get away with it, not because production has changed but because the queens have more power to hold each other accountable
For some reason I’m thinking of an old old joke that goes: “I don’t drink or smoke or swear…but I’ll be DAMNED if I didn’t leave my cigarettes on the bar!”
I feel like she is focusing too much on showing she is not racist or transphobic, over telling the people she offended she is sorry. Sometimes you have to say you are sorry more than once, but in all of this comments she is trying to pretend she didnt and could never say anything. She needs to make it public and directly to the people she offended, admit to saying the stuff and then understanding that she will not erase her mistakes regardless of how many times she goes to some interview that does not include the people she affected
All things considered though Kandy is definitely the type to embellish a story a bit. Not defending anyone but Kandy does do that. So take everything she says in particular with a grain of salt. It's better to hear from Gottmik or Symone as they keep more of a level head in these situations while Kandy tends to lead with her anger.
@@zolleix I keep up to date on her Twitter and lives. She does embellish stories. She is an entertainer so she tries to make the story more polarizing. Leaves out details, changed a few words, etc. She always leads with anger when it comes to her drama. People have talked with her before about it and iifc she said it's stems from years of having to defend herself from everyone.
@@zolleixHe is right. And it doesn’t matter how she is in person but the persona she portrays on national TV is of someone that likes to instigate to cause harm to others. So yes. We all know her personally in a sense.
the one thing that gets me about this situation, as a poc who went to a predominantly white school/town, they do know what they're doing, they know what words/jokes they shouldn't be saying. it's not a lack of education, I'll never buy that ESPECIALLY at a certain age, it's not caring about the repercussions when held accountable because it's generally accepted and normalized in their circles, that's maybe the only place where the lack of awareness is.
Ngl, Eliott talking about the black girl magic thing (the only thing *RECORDED* in this situation) and completely denying the trans thing took my attention. I wonder if the black girl magic wasnt recorded if she would confirm it happening.
@@salustiaarcibar1344, there is a stereotype in the US that Black people are overly aggressive and violent This is why white people call the police when Black people are in their neighborhood, even when the Black person is just peacefully sitting in their car or walking down the street It's why there's a trope called the "angry Black woman" There's also a racist cliche of white people saying that some Black people are "the good ones." For example, a racist white person would say a Black person is "one of the good ones" (i.e., not a bad Black person) if they are complacent with white racism and don't speak up against it Elliott's comments have the subtext of: "Symone isn't an angry Black woman, she's one of the good ones."
@@zalba5710 in the moment, it wouldn't sound so bad- we tend to miss some things in the sense of an on-going conversation but also the amount of POCs that found it offensive? do their feelings not matter at all?
OH MY GODDESS!!! Bussy, I love it when you implement charts (or sharts!) , variables/ controls and percentages! That, and the drama you collect are (imho) the jewels of your channel. Combing the knotted, gnarled social pages and laying out a smooth, shiny story is what THIS subscriber LIVES FOR. UA-cam is as close as I get to social media, so thank you for your support and hard work. Blessings Be. 🌈🪬
I enjoyed this season so far, but this "twist" feels so much like all winners... the whole thing feels like productions way to make Roxxy the winner while having the most badges (I'm pretty sure whatever Roxxy does, she will win the talent show) so no one would question her win. Im not coming for Roxxy, but I really feel like with every lip-sync production already "proved" why Roxxy's old school is better than someone like Plastique, a new generation queen, although Plastique did great absolutely every challenge, and ATE everyone up on the runway. I hope we will have a fair finale, but I really doubt it.
Elliot says she didn't say the word BUT if she did how could she know it offended Milk? And though It offended her its not Milks job to police me but i didn't know... that sounds like someone who says hurtful things and sly comments but acts nice and ignorant. The loudest people in the room? what is louder then performative activism at the white house after rumors of you being transphobic and racist. Also no one made her out to be a monster, even Kandy was kinda nice how she explained it. They all made it seem that Elliot made mistakes and could be rude behind set- if she just apologized and learnt it would be fine. But she keeps defending herself. Take one for the team, close your mouth and take accountability - that doesn't make you a monster, defending your hurtful comments and sketchy past does.
The math is mathing with the badge count and twists. You could almost have any combination of 3 queens in the finale, even excluding Roxxxy. The craziest I can think of is Roxxxy winning the challenge with any queen with 2 badges, and another queen with 2 badges getting the double diamond. Then you’d have 8 badges, 5 badges and a 3 way tie with 4 badges. Or if like, a 3 badge queen and a 2 badge queen won the challenge and a 3 badge queen got the double diamond, you’d have two queens with 6, and two queens with 5. Or if two 2 badge queens win the challenge and the last 2 badge queen gets the double diamond, the top 3 would all have 5 badges, but then there would be 3 queens with 4 badges. The possibilities are almost endless. I’m fairly certain we’ll end with at least one person making it to the top 3 over someone who did better than them in the season.
say whatever you want, but Kandy Muse is a bully, Elliott is not the first girl to fall for her sheananigans. and it saddens me how Gotmik and Symone were so willing to support narratives
You said it, she’s stirring the pot to make good tv. Here, there’s no reason for her to be lying. What she said about Eliott is what several queens of the cast have been saying since 2022. Do you really think all of them would hold to a lie for this long for “the sake of drama” ?
Yeah exactly. Kandy gets all self righteous about herself, but tends to forget how gross she can be 😂😂🤣🤣If it has anything to do with Kandy Muse, I'm not interested.
I don’t think Elliot realizes that by being on interviews and by being a part of the human rights committee and by tweeting that she’s not a bad person isn’t accountability. Defending your actions and ignorance is not accountability. Saying that it’s “not about being a victim”, but you’re the victim is not accountability. Demonizing queens of color and trans queens for not calling you out in the moment is not accountability. Victim blaming them and criticizing how they went about talking about how they were treated by Elliott is not accountability. That’s her wanting to save face and make sure she still has a career. Instead of collaborating with these girls and actually having conversations she wants to have a nice guy tour where she tells everyone that they are lying. That’s not accountability. What she’s doing now is performative activism and she’s only seeking to help herself and her self image.
Kandy is a manipulative bully-. Horrible what that season did to Elliott. The false narratives, the bullying, the twisting of the facts, the woke cancellation, .... such a toxic season and a toxic show
Everyone knows gottmic is a bully and a vey nasty person I’ve seen it for myself she did a gig at the bar I work at and she was rude and very nasty to staff and fans
Between the work of compiling info on the drama between Elliot with 2 Ts and Kandy, and the work of doing the chart on track record, badges, possible outcomes and what not. BQ, You did a great job on this video! Thank you for spilling, for charting 😂
Not siding with Elliott here, but I've seen recording of Kandy at her show calling her Elliott with 3 k's. That's another level of fucked up. Like, you're contributing to hate she is receiving and nothing justifies that
Kandy needs to give it a rest. People witch hunting Elliott need to give it a rest. It's rare that someone who made mistakes genuinely tries to better themselves by educating themselves as well as do events to raise up the people they have hurt. If people continue to witch hunt even when people try to become a better person then they are supporting perpetual hate. Period. Hold people accountable when they do nothing to change.
The only reason Gottmik came out saying those things, true or not, was because she was getting fire for being a diva and warm to work with. She just wanted to get the spotlight off of her. She never talked about it or fixed it, but the fandom never went after her either. Selective outrage.
@@XxdextriousxXyeah to me gotmik & Violet aren’t supposed to be likable so I’ve only ever been interested in their fashion looks and creativity. Never cared for them as individuals.
To me, this whole situation got out of hand thanks to the Mean Girls of Season 13. Like they bullied Elliott none stop then if you come to her saying "You need to read the room" Its not addressing the issue directly. That comes off as "Know your place" GotMik, and Kandy are also the ones that repeatedly bring it up which also ruined Elliotts post drag race Career. Then simply trying to say that it's in the past is just garbage. Like Queens make the earn the most 2 years after from there last appearance. So if you drag her until 2023 you effectively tried to kill their career. Lastly, with the micro-aggressions, you have to tell the person in real time that's not okay. Why? because they are small and may not be even unaware in real time that it's a problem and ask for a better way to express the meaning.
The thing is, I’ve heard stories from the Manchester drag scene that when Simone visited/spent time there she was HORRIBLE and extremely rude, so part of me does think tamisha was right that they were a group of bullies/mean girls on that season and Elliott felt very excluded. They are probably taking anything Elliott said wayyy out of proportion
So, with the new rule, the rest of the season didn't matter in the end. Got it. So Queens who actually did well can just flat out get told that it never fucking mettered in the end. What a slap to the face of all of them.
What do you mean it doesn’t matter ??? Roxxxy has made it in the finale because she has the most badges , and then plastique and jorgeous are the closest , if it didn’t matter then they would all go 0 and it would be only the last challenge
@@zombeeking1181 No, this stunt shows it never did matter in the first place. because now, girls who have the least amount now can shoot right to the top from ONE challenge. Rendering the amount of wins pointless now. I love all the girls and they have all had their chance to shine honestly this season, but even if it is for charity, there is still (well, there was) an element of competition to it. They were still vying for a ultimate win for their charity. Now, girls who have been rocking it all season can just get the boot because someone may have ONE good night/show out? It renders the rest of the wins pointless when someone who has possibly done consistently average or bad through the season can now, somehow, be in the finals and win? It's a slap in the face to the queens who have been consistently good/excellent throughout.
@@aphelion4616 well jorgeous has the same amount of badges as a 2challenge winner with plastique who’s a 4 time winner . So without all the little twists in the middle , shannel and Jorgeous would have 2 and Vanjie 1 … and it would make a boring 2 last episodes … the first half of the “grand” finale was unwatchable, at least there is some anticipation BECAUSE of the twist
@@zombeeking1181 No, I would argue it makes it anticlimactic really. There is a prize at the end, even if not for the queens directly, they are still vying for a huge donation to a charity. Now, I appreciate a season where you get to see the entire package they brought, that way it at least helps the queen's feel like they didn't waste it, but to literally tell the top queens that "everything you did to get those badges now could mean jack because someone who has been doing poorly this season can still go to the finalee and win' is a bit of a slap to the face to the queens who have been eating and leaving no crumbs this season. The meer fact that the current front runners could loose because this twist will potentially even everyone out is a joke.
@@aphelion4616 ok i understand … at the same time what i said still stands for me … if the front runners were to go straight to the finale the last 2 episodes would have ZERO meaning … (not that they are successful now but whatever) Thank you for taking the time to explain your opinion without being petty and cutty we do love to see the fandom being more calm hahaha . Who in your opinion SLAYED ? Cause plastique slayed both challenges-runway but the online fandom doesn’t consider her a winner .. For me Roxxxy must take it , also i love that her charity is a local small one that doesn’t have the funds yet and need it , while nina’s and plastique’s are well established .. But my favourite charities are shannel’s and jorgeous’ . Who do you think will actually take it ?
All Elliot has to do is reach out to the people she hurt and say "I AM SORRY". She has to stop focusing on herself and just say she messed up she is sorry to the people she hurt and just move on....this is not hard.
miss elliott needs to understand how racism works before she can say she's "not racist".... also, you're being told how to rectify the situation and still not getting it??? truly wild!
Kandy cannot get ahead without beating someone down. This reads insecurity. For example, she even came for her mother Aja who gave her a platform. We would not know Kandy’s name without Aja.
@@AleCozzi dont really like kandi but she is 100% in the right in this situation… using micro aggressions and transphobic language ie asking what genitalia mik has, black girl magic w/o the aggression (which the stereotype of the “angry black woman” and black people being inherently aggressive/ violent is very prevalent when people speak abt black ppl) and then two ts goes on and says that they need to forgive her when shes dont absolutely nothing to remedy the situation is crazy
I find myself guilty when I like a certain queen very well for their drag and the personality they showcase to then hear that they may not be as likeable outside of camera. I once got in an argument with a queen on a stream for me just pointing out that they shouldn’t be fighting with the troll while a bunch of their fans are praising them….
Elliott may have made dumb choices but I can’t help but feel kandy is a bully, she just seems so angry, before the show, on the show after the show, I just don’t really like what I see from her, she thrives off being confrontational with no consequences, didn’t she recently say if she knows you have a dead relative she will come at you ? You can’t stand on moral high ground when you stay in the mud
I mean, I chose to believe the older Black queen who I am sure would never associate herself with someone whose racist and hateful. I have been shown how hateful and problematic Kandy and Gotmik are though…
@@JustAddFrijolesCx She’s being criticized for SAYING racist & transphobic things and then not taking accountability. Elliott is making it about her being labelled racist so she can be the victim. Believe the MANY queens impacted directly.
@@jeffree2001 I don’t blame her for saying what she said and not know they weren’t things for her to say. Not when the history of the show has all queens saying these things to each other. I see no wrong in Elliot. Fierce performer and a hoot on tv!
I agree. Yes Elliott is a little cringy and definitely didn't vibe with the other queen's well enough, so what would've been either overlooked or playful comments became hurtful and something to latch on to. It's Elliots fault for not being socially adept enough, but she definitely has done many things to make amends, it will never be enough for some people, you have to be okay with that too. @@JustAddFrijolesCx
This makes no sense. 3 people are accussing Elliott, but you decide all 3 are lying because one person didn't personally hear what Elliott said? Tamisha has also shown herself not to be particularly reliable, I don't see why her opinion as a black queen is worth more than that of 2 other black queens.
It sounds like Elliott is just suffering from a serious case of “I’m a good guy” when it comes to confronting their unconscious biases/misplaced jokes. I can believe they weren’t malicious and people online are taking it too far but things aren’t gonna improve if she keeps putting herself in the position of victim.
The fact that Kandi Muse had a Jeffree Star mirror and was shamelessly flaunting it when Jeffree Star was super cancelled for being a r*cist amound other things speaks volumes on how much Kandi cares about that issue, she's a bully that saw Eliott being a sheltered ignorant southern YT saying awkward things as an easy target of her bullying and ran with it, also I find it rich how GottMik comes for Eliott when she was making tons of micro agressive comments towards DiDa Ritz
12:06 - this to me says it all. She hopes people see what she’s doing - she needs the outside validation to be told she’s good and what she’s doing is good.
I would never believe anything Kandy Muse says. They did a total character assassination of Elliot and I feel like it was very unfair. Tamisha knows whats going on and she is way more of a genuine person than kandy or gottmik.
I'm in two minds about it. Kandy has been known to stir the pot and embellish things for drama, but I don't doubt that she's genuinely upset and annoyed. With Tamisha, she's already cut ties with the majority of the season 13 cast, especially Kandy, so I'm not surprised she's on the opposite side. Symone is who I believe the most on this, as she's the most level-headed out of all of them. I don't know enough about the situation to have a credited opinion. What I can say is that Elliott does seem to be trying to step in the right direction. I don't think she's the best at explaining herself or appologising, which she will learn at some point. I don't doubt that she did say what she said, but I think it came from a place of not being educated on the topic rather than mallice. She's doing the right thing in learning about the trans/ bipoc community, now she needs to figure out how to apologise to the people she's offended. Not by saying she didn't know, but just for using language that she shouldn't have used, being sorry that she hurt them and then move on as best she can. At the end of the day, I hope she can learn from this, move on and get on with her life.
@@fightvale57how do we know if symone heard it first hand or if it was passed on my Kandy? Didn’t she do a similar thing to Heidi in AS?? Wouldn’t put it past her to lie and exaggerate a situation for drama to be honest
@@cazzabojangles its been 3 years of her trying to say sorry. Maybe she said something stupid as we all do, but being treated like this is not justified. Makes me wonder if "love and forgiveness" is something they only preach. Also, you have three of the finalists: very influential, well tied in the industry and in a position of power. No wonder the rest of the cast is being quiet even if they have been dragging this story for ages. Tamisha is the only one with the guts to say something in her defense.
People really like to attack others calling them racists, transphobic, misogynistic, etc. when the person is just unaware or uneducated. Comments can be hurtful and stuff, but when the intentions of the person are clearly not to hurt (even when they do) they don’t deserve to shun down this way. Use that energy on ACTUAL racists, homophobes, misogynists, etc. don’t water down those words for people on your side who are fighting along the battle. Are we really that weak as a community that words really hurt us that much? Is that how we’re going to change the world? Elliott clearly is trying to learn and move pass this, but this toxic community is the worst to do that with. I’m starting to hate the drag race fandom and what they are becoming.
If you say transphobic/racist things you are still unconsciously transphobic/racist AKA actually transphobic/racist. She was only shunned after she continued to behave this way.
@@esmeraldaluna8491 They literally did try and educate her, that's what the first third of the video is dedicated to. Eliott pulled your exact excuse out to distract from her harmfulness.
I'm still seeing a bunch of hate towards Elliot over something that she did apologize after it happened. As she said, how I'm supposed to apologize to someone if they never let me know that I offended them plus, they instead decided to take their own actions and victimized themselves instead of having an adult conversation with me but, IN A PUBLIC SPACE, Elliot is not entitled to reach out personally to them if they decided to CLAIM someone as racists in public, Symone and Kandy at the time and now are still media attention gain ups, and it confirmed that regardless if they destroyed one of their sisters way of income, because for you this is about cancelling a queen but is also making them leave their own art and the years they have put into effort to vanish WHICH is NOT OK. Elliot did a comment at the time while she was sharing stages with ones of the most diverse DRAG scenes in the USA TX,AZ, NV, noone, but Kandy and their back ups were the one that keep the hate wave towards the Elliot queen. However, queens from this scene NEVER claim of Elliot being racist. You all don't understand how these stupid waves of hate do destroy these people careers in the USA without hesitation and not allowing them to properly apologize because of the "cancelled culture" that people like Kandy is still pushing forward. I do like Kandys drag, but it is very clear that Kandy is a bullying and you all gays live to keep the toxicity alive in the community for your entertaintment. Plus, Kandy has been aswell accused of racists and even homophobic comments that we all have seen but we let it pass cause it's Kandy. I'd never support any type of racism, xenophobia or theophobia on the community and the way these topics surge without anyse but just to CANCEL someone its was has gotten me away from drag race, we are normalizing this hate waves instead of creating a space for learning and growth like the one we wanted to have but we didn't have when we were growing up. Now we have all these young gay man acting like plane jane throwing a blanket of shady and passive aggressive comments towards their friends, like girl be real, and be honest. In real life, you will not be able to even handle yourself, imagine being with a gay friend trying to enjoy the afternoon and this person is only wondering about the next person they have to cancel. ITS REAL, AND ITS HAPPENING. Get a grip girls the worlds revolves too many things.
It‘s like people forgot what went viral during Season13- it was Tamisha‘s LIL GURL- it wasn‘t even all the trash Kandy said. Kandy is the one who walked away yelling like a MAN CHILD and then apologized the next day to tamisha! Not the other way around😂 and kandy admitted that on the pit stop or roscoe‘s I don‘t quite remember. Tamisha was never the problem, Kandy always was.
They kept talking 👄 about Math all season. So mama Ru said "ok, ya'll want math? I'll give you math, here's Double diamonds ♦️ 💎 After the Talent show." 😂😂
also omg bussy i'm engaged to a swede and he makes his "ch" sound into an "sh" sound all the time and he's obsessed with excel spreadsheet and talks about our sharts all the time 😂😂
i dont think elliott is in the right here but neither are kandy and gottmik. we've known that the two of them are mean girls. sounds more like social faux pas being taken extremely seriously. oh well! none of this matters, like at all.
Gottmik is so fake. He will smile at you but then talk behind your back. He is THAT kind of queen. It’s so evident of his bratty attitude on AS9 when Ru is not giving his favoritism like he received on S13.
She said she doesn’t care what people think about her anymore YET somehow she is the one reaching out to people like Joseph Shepherd to “clear” her name? Sounds like you do care what people think girl 😭
well, that's the TEA... && what are we thinking going into this as9 grand finale? do we like the twists? or does it even matter?
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something about kandy leaving a 'dislike' thumbs down on elliots text asking to share makes me laugh far too hard every time i see it😭😭
"I definitely didnt say these things but if I did then I definitely was just being an oopsie silly dumb dumb" girl ..
If you didnt say something transphobic you can easily say "I didnt say anything transphobic" not "weeeeeeell if i did then x y and z excuses"
@@tearie4150that’s what I was thinking. It’s like she snitched on herself and tried to cover it up by saying “Violet said I was being dumb” like girl what? And she’s making it seem like Kandy started the “Elliot with 3 k’s” as if that wasn’t the fans themselves.
@@tearie4150or literally just say "i dont understand why X action was trasnphobic" -_-
But no. Miss thing just doubled down.
When are you going to come back from Coachella?
@@tearie4150
I honestly feel she mightve not been aware how some of these words are hurtful and display microaggressions, but her response to being called out has consequences. She didn't handle it well and that combined with bullying has gotten her to full Karen
“I am not racist or transphobic, and do not have the ability to be so in my heart.”
Girl…allyship 101 is learning that you can, intentionally or unintentionally, harm groups you aren’t a part of and understanding that being “one of the good ones” doesn’t exempt you from criticism.
LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK 💯
Everyone has to unpack their invisible backpack 🎒
EXACTLY. She's weaponizing her activism so she doesn't need to actually self reflect and see what she did wrong
Best comment here.
Yes, own it, and apologize, I have unintentionally made mistakes, it happens, it’s how you handle them that matters…
I understand. The hate shes getting is still kinda unwarranted. She never had any ill intention so its hypocrisy to send ill will right back at her. How about we just become adaptable and kind people and work through people’s mistakes instead of smearing and gossiping.🤦♀️
Yo Elliot being like “look at me doing the work, no one else is” is so crazy bro
The fact that she needed to trash the ppl she offended in order to show how superior she is. It's exhaustingly performative yt feminism in steroids.
Performative asf
@@akikom1331this isn’t feminism 😭
Lmao I said GIRL out loud when that was shown because...what?!?
@@fukhyu3330 “performative feminism” you’re both right. It isn’t feminism its someone cosplaying it
Violet: "maybe, she’s just fk stupid”
Elliot: "thank you”
RuPaul turning us into mathematicians jajajaa the nerve
i officially can't watch drag race while playing games on my phone anymore
@@fishinghookz so wild omg
Elliotts reaction really focused on her intention which is the wrong move: you can endorse completely transphobic or racist language or stereotypes without intending to do so, but when you say you know what’s in your heart and that’s good enough it reads like you don’t care. People from those minorities are telling you there’s a problem and your hand waving it away.
And blocking the girls who have been telling her that they had an issue with it shows she has not grown...
Agreed. She’s taking it personally which does nothing to help marginalized groups. Saying you’re not racist or transphobic is a dead end defence when you clearly have said and done racist and transphobic things. She needs to focus on her privilege and less on proving she’s a good person. It’s privilege that makes a white person compliment someone’s “black girl magic” and then spew racist tropes all the while thinking it’s ok.
I agree that focusing on intent is not the right move, if you're looking for forgiveness from folks who are deeply intrenched in identitarianism; however, realistically speaking, intent should matter the absolute most.
but let's face it, the other girls decided something about Elliott long ago, and nothing Elliott says or does it going to change that -- unless she were to apologize in a hyper specific way that the others see fit. they want Elliott to admit that she was racist and transphobic, and because Elliott is unwilling to do that because it's simply not true, she will never be "forgiven" for the crime of trying too hard to fit in and saying some stupid stuff she didn't understand.
I hate all this silly language policing from people who practice identitarianism. it ends up hurting people who never had hate in their hearts. it's not good for anyone, ever... and yes, Kandy is being a bully about it.
but if I could give Elliott two pieces of advice it would be to:
1. stop bringing this stuff up. until you're willing to label yourself a racist, they will never forgive you. so just move on.. block them from social media, and pray they stop shit talking you in public, so it doesn't affect your ability to do you job.
2. live your life as the person you know you are. don't worry about what others think. if you know who you are, and your actions back that up, people will see that eventually. and I know it seems today that words are more important than actions, but that's not true. if your actions show that you are a good person, then the people worth having in your life will come around and stick around.
@@jillybeangaming Honey, you’re not using that word correctly:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement
And yet talking about what an impact others attempts at holding her accountable has had on *her*. It’s something POC and trans people could never understand. 🙄🙄🙄
So from that interview elliott basically said “well y’all didn’t say anything to my face when I said problematic stuff so why am I in the wrong?”🤦🏾😬
But that's really not what they were trying to convey. What Elliott was trying to say was that why wait a full year after the season was aired to do an interview and then come forward with these allegations. Why be civil and act like you are on good terms with each other and then go on, out of the blue, with these allegations. Why not say it in the moment, or a month after, during the time when they were touring together. Like, normally if someone says something provocative, hurtful, phobic or other offensive stuff you want to call them out in that moment. Not wait for a year and then lift the cat up to the table.
And yeah, I know. Kandy did tell Elliott during untucked that they should be mindful of what and how they speak to POC but at any point did they really be like "hey, this is actually racist, you should stop now"? No, it was after the season was aired that Kandy and Symone started calling Elliott racist and it was a full year later that Gottmik did the interview. 🤷🏻♂️ That was the point that Elliott was trying to get through.
And honestly, while I don't agree with Elliott's behaviour or how they were speaking to POC I do agree with the fact that it's rather odd and even shitty to start calling out someone for saying stupid stuff a year later. We all say dumb stuff sometimes, not on the same level as Elliott necessarily though, and personally I would like to get called out on the moment it happens and not a year later so I can immediately apologize and take a mental note to fix my behaviour.
@@sundayandthebee Yeah, they were strategic about what they were doing with these allegations and waiting for Elliott to dig their own grave. Which anyone could see was about to happen eventually.
What I do say is that Elliott is at least trying to learn and is not purposefully racist or transphobic which is good since they can still learn and grow.
@@lavalsedkristian people are allowed to bring this shit up all they want and Kandy DID call her out back then which is pretty obvious since they have proof but Elliot never once took accountability so she got called out. If she had taken proper accountability this wouldn't have come out. your comment is bullshit.
@@lavalsedkristianwhy be civil? Are you serious or delusional? If Mik just straight up ignored Elliotkkk, then Eliot would have harped on even more about being excluded. Elliottt's complaints are CONTRADICTORY
@@lavalsedkristiannot everyone has the mental capacity to immediately call out and respond to discriminatory comments. It's CRAZY how you're putting the onus and more responsibility on the victims instead of the aggressor (Elliot).
Are Kandy, Symone and Gotmik perfect? No. Have they expressed with evidence that they spoke up about it and tried to educate Elliott that her behavior is not correct? Yes. Has Elliott tried to become a better person? Yes. But I don’t think years later being interviewed by someone who has nothing to do with the situation helps this. You settle this not on social media and with the people involved.
This!
Elliott is just trying to salvage her reputation. She doesnt care abt the people she hurt
Gotmik and Violet talked about Elliott so they could take the spotlight off them. By that time they were being heavily critiqued for some misconduct so they used Elliott as a bait for fans. I hate season 13 so much. Really. All of them are problematic
I guess this is something that would need to be settled on social media because otherwise there was 0 chance of the fans respecting her after she was dragged for so long. Maybe if Kandy, Gotmik and Symone defended her and said "we have made peace and had discussions in private- it is true that Elliot has grown" but yaehhh
@@PuccioMA oh I definitely agree with that too. I think if this would ever be resolved, everyone needs to take it off social media and come at this like mature adults. I don’t see that ever happening though
“It’s not about being the victim, but I’m the victim”
"By doing this interview im taking accountability"
THATS NOT HOW THAT WORKS.
Im curious - how does it work?
@@darkblue4959 To take accountability for your previous racist or transphobic words you should 1. Accept that you said it 2. Apologize to the offended parties, privately is best 3. Tell the public what you've learned and what you'll do differently. Influencers do it so much they've got it down to a formula.
@@myujmesbut she said she did try to apologize privately and was met with no response so what are you suppose to do after that?
@@tulsaxenfreak well nobody's going to accept an apology that doesn't accept that she said what she's apologizing for. Part of making a good apology is taking accountability, which she is allergic to doing, saying "I didn't say it, I didn't mean it, I didn't understand what I was saying" over and over.
@@tulsaxenfreak if that happens, a truly accountable person must accept that people might not want to accept the apology. elliot should've just left it at that and focused on SHOWING us that they've learned and matured, rather than constantly TELLING us (their activism tweets) and shoving the apology down the throats of the public (who are not the recipients) and the people who rejected the apology. elliot is forcing everyone to accept her apology and keeps bringing it up which honestly makes it worse. it's never about one's intentions but the consequences, something which she doesn't understand from the most recent podcast interview
my biggest problem in the interview when she's discussing her activism (which is in no doubt great btw! no problem with that at all) she later says "i hope people see that i am learning". maybe it wasn't her intention, but it makes it seem as if her becoming an activist is more of a way for her to clean her image and prove the haters wrong, rather than to actually show how committed she is to the causes shes uplifting.
Who wouldn't want others to know how they've grown? Especially with all the hate that's impacted work, money, etc.
@Lisa-kf4iu yeah i agree! but i dont think she necessarily needs to SAY that she's learning. imo the work she's doing already proves and shows that. i think her overexplaining herself is doing her more harm than good tbh
Yupp I got that vibe too.
yep the optics for that were pretty bad... but that's just optics. i admire the hustle, tbh. nobody else seems willing to promote her so she's promoting herself. i kinda wish she didn't have "try" to cater to public opinion as much but it's impossible not to since drag queens get booked based on their reputation.
Activism needs principles, if she doesn't have them, then it's grifting. I'm not trying to say she can't be redeemed, but she has to put in the work, and miss thing cares about her personal image too much to take accountability then just grow. When she uses her activism to sneer at all the other queens as if they do absolutely nothing, it just comes off as grifting, and we as a community DO NOT need that.
Drama aside, “Elliott with 3 K’s” is kind of genius 🤷🏾♀️ 😂 (edit: guess it isn’t very clear for some… I’m talking about the name lol)
Yeah but maybe the wrong target?
Ive met racist people who deserve this moniker and EWTT isnt it.
I don't get it... Why with 3 k ?
@@JoseMiguelRosalesBahamon Literally just google KKK girl
@@JoseMiguelRosalesBahamonLiterally put 3 k's (like, type k 3 times) in sucession on google girl...
@@JoseMiguelRosalesBahamonthe kkk… the white supremacist group lol
"Made a little shart" sent me XD
I'm crying. lmaooooooo
@@ApolloAzraelSpektra The scream is scrumpt when that said. XD
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I lived in Dallas for 5 yrs. As a POC and raised in the PNW, I could not believe the level of racist and off the wall remarks I would get in the Dallas gay scene. That being said. I'm not surprised one bit about how Elliott interacts with POC. It's so engrained in the environment of the south.
I'm glad that this is the reaction from her fellow competitors now
Sharon Needles repeatedly used the N-word on set, and there are pictures of her in N@zi uniforms and blackface ... and she WON her season
It's good to see that another Sharon Needles on Drag Race wouldn't get away with it, not because production has changed but because the queens have more power to hold each other accountable
It’s the whole damn country!
Dallas is actually a shit hole
@@AuDHDarling ik youre not comparing shharon to eliott deeep down yall gotta be fr
I'm just picturing all of the queens in their hotel rooms making charts and graphs trying to figure out who they needed to vote for 😂
For some reason I’m thinking of an old old joke that goes:
“I don’t drink or smoke or swear…but I’ll be DAMNED if I didn’t leave my cigarettes on the bar!”
Bless you for keeping the shart clip in. You've alleviated my depression for the day.
I feel like she is focusing too much on showing she is not racist or transphobic, over telling the people she offended she is sorry. Sometimes you have to say you are sorry more than once, but in all of this comments she is trying to pretend she didnt and could never say anything. She needs to make it public and directly to the people she offended, admit to saying the stuff and then understanding that she will not erase her mistakes regardless of how many times she goes to some interview that does not include the people she affected
I died with you when you said shart
i still haven't recovered
“it’s not about being a victim, I’ve been the target of hate and abuse for too long” ???
All things considered though Kandy is definitely the type to embellish a story a bit.
Not defending anyone but Kandy does do that. So take everything she says in particular with a grain of salt.
It's better to hear from Gottmik or Symone as they keep more of a level head in these situations while Kandy tends to lead with her anger.
Ig you know Kandy personally then? 😂
@@zolleix I keep up to date on her Twitter and lives. She does embellish stories. She is an entertainer so she tries to make the story more polarizing. Leaves out details, changed a few words, etc. She always leads with anger when it comes to her drama.
People have talked with her before about it and iifc she said it's stems from years of having to defend herself from everyone.
Even if Kandy is known for that, that doesn't make it acceptable for her to be discriminated against.
@@kellygreengables3936 that's why I said I'm not defending anyone.
@@zolleixHe is right. And it doesn’t matter how she is in person but the persona she portrays on national TV is of someone that likes to instigate to cause harm to others. So yes. We all know her personally in a sense.
the one thing that gets me about this situation, as a poc who went to a predominantly white school/town, they do know what they're doing, they know what words/jokes they shouldn't be saying. it's not a lack of education, I'll never buy that ESPECIALLY at a certain age, it's not caring about the repercussions when held accountable because it's generally accepted and normalized in their circles, that's maybe the only place where the lack of awareness is.
just wanted to relax and watch some bussy queen after work but girl is out here teaching us CALCULUS
Ngl, Eliott talking about the black girl magic thing (the only thing *RECORDED* in this situation) and completely denying the trans thing took my attention. I wonder if the black girl magic wasnt recorded if she would confirm it happening.
I am not american. What is wrong with the expresion "black girl magic"?
@@salustiaarcibar1344 Black girl magic is fine, it's the "but it's not aggressive" comment that's disturbing
@@salustiaarcibar1344, there is a stereotype in the US that Black people are overly aggressive and violent
This is why white people call the police when Black people are in their neighborhood, even when the Black person is just peacefully sitting in their car or walking down the street
It's why there's a trope called the "angry Black woman"
There's also a racist cliche of white people saying that some Black people are "the good ones."
For example, a racist white person would say a Black person is "one of the good ones" (i.e., not a bad Black person) if they are complacent with white racism and don't speak up against it
Elliott's comments have the subtext of: "Symone isn't an angry Black woman, she's one of the good ones."
@@wreckss8223so disturbing that 3 POC queens agreed with it immediately
@@zalba5710 in the moment, it wouldn't sound so bad- we tend to miss some things in the sense of an on-going conversation
but also the amount of POCs that found it offensive? do their feelings not matter at all?
So the last 10 episodes mean NOTHING if there’s a chance that someone with 2 could end with 10 and win?!? 🙄
Pretty much.
OH MY GODDESS!!! Bussy, I love it when you implement charts (or sharts!) , variables/ controls and percentages! That, and the drama you collect are (imho) the jewels of your channel. Combing the knotted, gnarled social pages and laying out a smooth, shiny story is what THIS subscriber LIVES FOR. UA-cam is as close as I get to social media, so thank you for your support and hard work. Blessings Be.
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I like the sound of "Vanmik" 🤷♀️
I want them in the finale so bad…love them both so much ❤❤❤❤
I enjoyed this season so far, but this "twist" feels so much like all winners... the whole thing feels like productions way to make Roxxy the winner while having the most badges (I'm pretty sure whatever Roxxy does, she will win the talent show) so no one would question her win. Im not coming for Roxxy, but I really feel like with every lip-sync production already "proved" why Roxxy's old school is better than someone like Plastique, a new generation queen, although Plastique did great absolutely every challenge, and ATE everyone up on the runway. I hope we will have a fair finale, but I really doubt it.
I don't see that Roxxxy has been on top all season. If they wanted they could've skipped the extra badges and just crowned her
I hate the Phrase "i appologised to the best of my abilities" like if your best or ypur abilities just arent not good or good enough for people
Well that's on them then. There's only so much a person can or should do (dependent upon the situation of course).
This feud is never going to stop. "Everybody say love," right?
Elliot says she didn't say the word BUT if she did how could she know it offended Milk? And though It offended her its not Milks job to police me but i didn't know... that sounds like someone who says hurtful things and sly comments but acts nice and ignorant. The loudest people in the room? what is louder then performative activism at the white house after rumors of you being transphobic and racist.
Also no one made her out to be a monster, even Kandy was kinda nice how she explained it. They all made it seem that Elliot made mistakes and could be rude behind set- if she just apologized and learnt it would be fine. But she keeps defending herself. Take one for the team, close your mouth and take accountability - that doesn't make you a monster, defending your hurtful comments and sketchy past does.
Why isnt Elliott suing Kandy for slander? 🤔
Just because someone tries to say sorry doesn't mean that others HAVE to accept it or even respond to it
The math is mathing with the badge count and twists. You could almost have any combination of 3 queens in the finale, even excluding Roxxxy.
The craziest I can think of is Roxxxy winning the challenge with any queen with 2 badges, and another queen with 2 badges getting the double diamond. Then you’d have 8 badges, 5 badges and a 3 way tie with 4 badges.
Or if like, a 3 badge queen and a 2 badge queen won the challenge and a 3 badge queen got the double diamond, you’d have two queens with 6, and two queens with 5.
Or if two 2 badge queens win the challenge and the last 2 badge queen gets the double diamond, the top 3 would all have 5 badges, but then there would be 3 queens with 4 badges.
The possibilities are almost endless. I’m fairly certain we’ll end with at least one person making it to the top 3 over someone who did better than them in the season.
Maths 🙄
say whatever you want, but Kandy Muse is a bully, Elliott is not the first girl to fall for her sheananigans. and it saddens me how Gotmik and Symone were so willing to support narratives
I'm amused by Kandy saying "don't call me a liar" when she's proven she's a liar just for the sake of drama.
You said it, she’s stirring the pot to make good tv. Here, there’s no reason for her to be lying. What she said about Eliott is what several queens of the cast have been saying since 2022. Do you really think all of them would hold to a lie for this long for “the sake of drama” ?
Kandy always behaves malicious it’s exhausting
@maximeminassian6002 yes they hot off on making her look like a racist
Yeah exactly. Kandy gets all self righteous about herself, but tends to forget how gross she can be 😂😂🤣🤣If it has anything to do with Kandy Muse, I'm not interested.
I don’t think Elliot realizes that by being on interviews and by being a part of the human rights committee and by tweeting that she’s not a bad person isn’t accountability. Defending your actions and ignorance is not accountability. Saying that it’s “not about being a victim”, but you’re the victim is not accountability. Demonizing queens of color and trans queens for not calling you out in the moment is not accountability. Victim blaming them and criticizing how they went about talking about how they were treated by Elliott is not accountability. That’s her wanting to save face and make sure she still has a career. Instead of collaborating with these girls and actually having conversations she wants to have a nice guy tour where she tells everyone that they are lying. That’s not accountability. What she’s doing now is performative activism and she’s only seeking to help herself and her self image.
Elliott THINKS she’s not bigoted but that’s obviously not true by her reaction to the situation, especially now three fucking years later
Not I MADE A LITTLE SHART 😂
Branjie is still together in my delulu heart🫶🏾😅
Kandy is a manipulative bully-. Horrible what that season did to Elliott. The false narratives, the bullying, the twisting of the facts, the woke cancellation, .... such a toxic season and a toxic show
Everyone knows gottmic is a bully and a vey nasty person I’ve seen it for myself she did a gig at the bar I work at and she was rude and very nasty to staff and fans
Micro aggressions? Can we talk about Mandy’s massive aggression
Have you ever been to Coachella bussy?
I’m considering maybe going for one day next year what do you think!?
@@BussyQueen please do let us know if you end up going
Between the work of compiling info on the drama between Elliot with 2 Ts and Kandy, and the work of doing the chart on track record, badges, possible outcomes and what not.
BQ, You did a great job on this video!
Thank you for spilling, for charting 😂
Not siding with Elliott here, but I've seen recording of Kandy at her show calling her Elliott with 3 k's. That's another level of fucked up. Like, you're contributing to hate she is receiving and nothing justifies that
Kandy needs to give it a rest. People witch hunting Elliott need to give it a rest. It's rare that someone who made mistakes genuinely tries to better themselves by educating themselves as well as do events to raise up the people they have hurt. If people continue to witch hunt even when people try to become a better person then they are supporting perpetual hate. Period. Hold people accountable when they do nothing to change.
Defending a racist is certainly a choice.
Well said
The only reason Gottmik came out saying those things, true or not, was because she was getting fire for being a diva and warm to work with. She just wanted to get the spotlight off of her. She never talked about it or fixed it, but the fandom never went after her either. Selective outrage.
Gottmik is just objectively not a good person idc about their identity one bit their behaviour is just awful
Yeah people are unusually enamored with Gottmik and I don’t get it.
@@Aquasliph I think the majority dislikes her but there’s a loud minority
@@confusedpsyduck714I think she’s trying too hard to be Violet
@@XxdextriousxXyeah to me gotmik & Violet aren’t supposed to be likable so I’ve only ever been interested in their fashion looks and creativity. Never cared for them as individuals.
OMG this is a master class of the RuPaul's DragRace loveeeeeeeeeed it
Thank you so much for the charts!!! Trés helpful! 💋
To me, this whole situation got out of hand thanks to the Mean Girls of Season 13.
Like they bullied Elliott none stop then if you come to her saying "You need to read the room" Its not addressing the issue directly. That comes off as "Know your place"
GotMik, and Kandy are also the ones that repeatedly bring it up which also ruined Elliotts post drag race Career. Then simply trying to say that it's in the past is just garbage. Like Queens make the earn the most 2 years after from there last appearance. So if you drag her until 2023 you effectively tried to kill their career.
Lastly, with the micro-aggressions, you have to tell the person in real time that's not okay. Why? because they are small and may not be even unaware in real time that it's a problem and ask for a better way to express the meaning.
The thing is, I’ve heard stories from the Manchester drag scene that when Simone visited/spent time there she was HORRIBLE and extremely rude, so part of me does think tamisha was right that they were a group of bullies/mean girls on that season and Elliott felt very excluded. They are probably taking anything Elliott said wayyy out of proportion
You made a shart and I might make one from laughing with you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So, with the new rule, the rest of the season didn't matter in the end. Got it. So Queens who actually did well can just flat out get told that it never fucking mettered in the end. What a slap to the face of all of them.
What do you mean it doesn’t matter ??? Roxxxy has made it in the finale because she has the most badges , and then plastique and jorgeous are the closest , if it didn’t matter then they would all go 0 and it would be only the last challenge
@@zombeeking1181 No, this stunt shows it never did matter in the first place. because now, girls who have the least amount now can shoot right to the top from ONE challenge. Rendering the amount of wins pointless now. I love all the girls and they have all had their chance to shine honestly this season, but even if it is for charity, there is still (well, there was) an element of competition to it. They were still vying for a ultimate win for their charity. Now, girls who have been rocking it all season can just get the boot because someone may have ONE good night/show out? It renders the rest of the wins pointless when someone who has possibly done consistently average or bad through the season can now, somehow, be in the finals and win? It's a slap in the face to the queens who have been consistently good/excellent throughout.
@@aphelion4616 well jorgeous has the same amount of badges as a 2challenge winner with plastique who’s a 4 time winner . So without all the little twists in the middle , shannel and Jorgeous would have 2 and Vanjie 1 … and it would make a boring 2 last episodes … the first half of the “grand” finale was unwatchable, at least there is some anticipation BECAUSE of the twist
@@zombeeking1181 No, I would argue it makes it anticlimactic really. There is a prize at the end, even if not for the queens directly, they are still vying for a huge donation to a charity. Now, I appreciate a season where you get to see the entire package they brought, that way it at least helps the queen's feel like they didn't waste it, but to literally tell the top queens that "everything you did to get those badges now could mean jack because someone who has been doing poorly this season can still go to the finalee and win' is a bit of a slap to the face to the queens who have been eating and leaving no crumbs this season. The meer fact that the current front runners could loose because this twist will potentially even everyone out is a joke.
@@aphelion4616 ok i understand … at the same time what i said still stands for me … if the front runners were to go straight to the finale the last 2 episodes would have ZERO meaning … (not that they are successful now but whatever)
Thank you for taking the time to explain your opinion without being petty and cutty we do love to see the fandom being more calm hahaha .
Who in your opinion SLAYED ? Cause plastique slayed both challenges-runway but the online fandom doesn’t consider her a winner ..
For me Roxxxy must take it , also i love that her charity is a local small one that doesn’t have the funds yet and need it , while nina’s and plastique’s are well established ..
But my favourite charities are shannel’s and jorgeous’ . Who do you think will actually take it ?
Lucky that you started doing shorts this week, perfect to cover this week's episode.
All Elliot has to do is reach out to the people she hurt and say "I AM SORRY". She has to stop focusing on herself and just say she messed up she is sorry to the people she hurt and just move on....this is not hard.
miss elliott needs to understand how racism works before she can say she's "not racist"....
also, you're being told how to rectify the situation and still not getting it??? truly wild!
Kandy cannot get ahead without beating someone down. This reads insecurity. For example, she even came for her mother Aja who gave her a platform. We would not know Kandy’s name without Aja.
Most people hate Candy for good reason
Kandy isn't the only one saying Elliott said bigoted things
What are you going to say to discredit everyone else who has called her out?
I am so glad you left that little shart for us 😂😂😂 I’m dying.
Thanks for making us the little shart 🥰
I’m sorry but the way I audibly gasped at “Elliot with three k’s” 😭😭😂😂
So glad I found this channel!
I'm often surprised that Kandy doesn't get called out for being a bully.
A grown white man being called out for racism and transphobia is not bullying, clown.
how is kandy a bully in this situation? 😭😭😭
Calling out someone's actions = bully now?
@@Therealchadlovee it's mind-blowing how people don't see it. Especially after seeing her in all stars and how she treated Heidi.
@@AleCozzi dont really like kandi but she is 100% in the right in this situation… using micro aggressions and transphobic language ie asking what genitalia mik has, black girl magic w/o the aggression (which the stereotype of the “angry black woman” and black people being inherently aggressive/ violent is very prevalent when people speak abt black ppl) and then two ts goes on and says that they need to forgive her when shes dont absolutely nothing to remedy the situation is crazy
I carried a Watermelon 😂🤦♀️😂🤦♀️😂🤦♀️ love you girl 😘😘
Bussy Queen
@BussyQueen So glad you are covering this topic :-)
The shart part raised my mood 😂
Thanks for the chart! Appreciate the breakdown of what the votes would mean.
I find myself guilty when I like a certain queen very well for their drag and the personality they showcase to then hear that they may not be as likeable outside of camera. I once got in an argument with a queen on a stream for me just pointing out that they shouldn’t be fighting with the troll while a bunch of their fans are praising them….
I'm always here for the weaponization of drag statistics ⚔👏
Elliott may have made dumb choices but I can’t help but feel kandy is a bully, she just seems so angry, before the show, on the show after the show, I just don’t really like what I see from her, she thrives off being confrontational with no consequences, didn’t she recently say if she knows you have a dead relative she will come at you ? You can’t stand on moral high ground when you stay in the mud
Kandy not supporting bullying 🙄
Girl. The call is coming from inside the house.
The shart scream took me out OMG
*I made a little shart* PTERODACTYL NOISE
I mean, I chose to believe the older Black queen who I am sure would never associate herself with someone whose racist and hateful. I have been shown how hateful and problematic Kandy and Gotmik are though…
THAT PART 👏👏
@@JustAddFrijolesCx She’s being criticized for SAYING racist & transphobic things and then not taking accountability. Elliott is making it about her being labelled racist so she can be the victim. Believe the MANY queens impacted directly.
@@jeffree2001 I don’t blame her for saying what she said and not know they weren’t things for her to say. Not when the history of the show has all queens saying these things to each other. I see no wrong in Elliot. Fierce performer and a hoot on tv!
I agree. Yes Elliott is a little cringy and definitely didn't vibe with the other queen's well enough, so what would've been either overlooked or playful comments became hurtful and something to latch on to. It's Elliots fault for not being socially adept enough, but she definitely has done many things to make amends, it will never be enough for some people, you have to be okay with that too. @@JustAddFrijolesCx
This makes no sense. 3 people are accussing Elliott, but you decide all 3 are lying because one person didn't personally hear what Elliott said? Tamisha has also shown herself not to be particularly reliable, I don't see why her opinion as a black queen is worth more than that of 2 other black queens.
It sounds like Elliott is just suffering from a serious case of “I’m a good guy” when it comes to confronting their unconscious biases/misplaced jokes. I can believe they weren’t malicious and people online are taking it too far but things aren’t gonna improve if she keeps putting herself in the position of victim.
"own up to using aave around poc on set" is a wild thing to slip into elliott's transgressions unless she was misusing them
"i would never say that word BUT IF I DID" absolutely not nope
The fact that Kandi Muse had a Jeffree Star mirror and was shamelessly flaunting it when Jeffree Star was super cancelled for being a r*cist amound other things speaks volumes on how much Kandi cares about that issue, she's a bully that saw Eliott being a sheltered ignorant southern YT saying awkward things as an easy target of her bullying and ran with it, also I find it rich how GottMik comes for Eliott when she was making tons of micro agressive comments towards DiDa Ritz
12:06 - this to me says it all. She hopes people see what she’s doing - she needs the outside validation to be told she’s good and what she’s doing is good.
Yess Sufjan mentioned! I saw Illinoise too, my first Broadway musical -- cried like a baby wholetime ;') did you love it?!
I would never believe anything Kandy Muse says. They did a total character assassination of Elliot and I feel like it was very unfair. Tamisha knows whats going on and she is way more of a genuine person than kandy or gottmik.
Or Symone? Riighhht
I'm in two minds about it. Kandy has been known to stir the pot and embellish things for drama, but I don't doubt that she's genuinely upset and annoyed. With Tamisha, she's already cut ties with the majority of the season 13 cast, especially Kandy, so I'm not surprised she's on the opposite side. Symone is who I believe the most on this, as she's the most level-headed out of all of them.
I don't know enough about the situation to have a credited opinion. What I can say is that Elliott does seem to be trying to step in the right direction. I don't think she's the best at explaining herself or appologising, which she will learn at some point. I don't doubt that she did say what she said, but I think it came from a place of not being educated on the topic rather than mallice. She's doing the right thing in learning about the trans/ bipoc community, now she needs to figure out how to apologise to the people she's offended. Not by saying she didn't know, but just for using language that she shouldn't have used, being sorry that she hurt them and then move on as best she can. At the end of the day, I hope she can learn from this, move on and get on with her life.
@@fightvale57how do we know if symone heard it first hand or if it was passed on my Kandy? Didn’t she do a similar thing to Heidi in AS?? Wouldn’t put it past her to lie and exaggerate a situation for drama to be honest
@@cazzabojangles its been 3 years of her trying to say sorry. Maybe she said something stupid as we all do, but being treated like this is not justified. Makes me wonder if "love and forgiveness" is something they only preach. Also, you have three of the finalists: very influential, well tied in the industry and in a position of power. No wonder the rest of the cast is being quiet even if they have been dragging this story for ages. Tamisha is the only one with the guts to say something in her defense.
People really like to attack others calling them racists, transphobic, misogynistic, etc. when the person is just unaware or uneducated. Comments can be hurtful and stuff, but when the intentions of the person are clearly not to hurt (even when they do) they don’t deserve to shun down this way. Use that energy on ACTUAL racists, homophobes, misogynists, etc. don’t water down those words for people on your side who are fighting along the battle. Are we really that weak as a community that words really hurt us that much? Is that how we’re going to change the world? Elliott clearly is trying to learn and move pass this, but this toxic community is the worst to do that with. I’m starting to hate the drag race fandom and what they are becoming.
If you say transphobic/racist things you are still unconsciously transphobic/racist AKA actually transphobic/racist. She was only shunned after she continued to behave this way.
@@EmmettLif that is the case, then educate instead of calling out. Be the bigger person. If I say that about Kandi, am I being fatphobic now?
BEST comment!!!
@@esmeraldaluna8491 They literally did try and educate her, that's what the first third of the video is dedicated to. Eliott pulled your exact excuse out to distract from her harmfulness.
I agree the likes of Candy and Gottmik are just straightforward bullies they love making themselves look better
I'm still seeing a bunch of hate towards Elliot over something that she did apologize after it happened. As she said, how I'm supposed to apologize to someone if they never let me know that I offended them plus, they instead decided to take their own actions and victimized themselves instead of having an adult conversation with me but, IN A PUBLIC SPACE, Elliot is not entitled to reach out personally to them if they decided to CLAIM someone as racists in public, Symone and Kandy at the time and now are still media attention gain ups, and it confirmed that regardless if they destroyed one of their sisters way of income, because for you this is about cancelling a queen but is also making them leave their own art and the years they have put into effort to vanish WHICH is NOT OK. Elliot did a comment at the time while she was sharing stages with ones of the most diverse DRAG scenes in the USA TX,AZ, NV, noone, but Kandy and their back ups were the one that keep the hate wave towards the Elliot queen. However, queens from this scene NEVER claim of Elliot being racist.
You all don't understand how these stupid waves of hate do destroy these people careers in the USA without hesitation and not allowing them to properly apologize because of the "cancelled culture" that people like Kandy is still pushing forward. I do like Kandys drag, but it is very clear that Kandy is a bullying and you all gays live to keep the toxicity alive in the community for your entertaintment. Plus, Kandy has been aswell accused of racists and even homophobic comments that we all have seen but we let it pass cause it's Kandy.
I'd never support any type of racism, xenophobia or theophobia on the community and the way these topics surge without anyse but just to CANCEL someone its was has gotten me away from drag race, we are normalizing this hate waves instead of creating a space for learning and growth like the one we wanted to have but we didn't have when we were growing up. Now we have all these young gay man acting like plane jane throwing a blanket of shady and passive aggressive comments towards their friends, like girl be real, and be honest. In real life, you will not be able to even handle yourself, imagine being with a gay friend trying to enjoy the afternoon and this person is only wondering about the next person they have to cancel. ITS REAL, AND ITS HAPPENING. Get a grip girls the worlds revolves too many things.
16:40 AS9 Talent Show w/a 3 badge "twist" for the Top 2 winners sounds oddly reminiscent of AS6!! 😮🎉
Hey Brosie!!! Did you get to go to Cochella this year?
It‘s like people forgot what went viral during Season13- it was Tamisha‘s LIL GURL- it wasn‘t even all the trash Kandy said. Kandy is the one who walked away yelling like a MAN CHILD and then apologized the next day to tamisha! Not the other way around😂 and kandy admitted that on the pit stop or roscoe‘s I don‘t quite remember.
Tamisha was never the problem, Kandy always was.
I almost wrecked my car laughing at “I made a little shart.” 🤣
Why were you driving and watching the video?
shannelbout to die, so ru wanted to make him happy 💔
wtf…
@BussyQueen how do you allow comments like these?
Why is the channel dying?
fyi, this is a joke - based on a pretty well known meme... Chad's, when she was reading tweets. Who thought it was halarious.
@@moorsumman these fans are NEW
The terminology this season is giving Pretty Pretty Princess.
This shart is everything, thank you for doing the math ❤😂
You got the winner of the double diamond correct. That’s wild
She's right about Curology yall, my skin has never been this good!
I wonder if Angerious also made a shart?
They kept talking 👄 about Math all season. So mama Ru said "ok, ya'll want math? I'll give you math, here's Double diamonds ♦️ 💎 After the Talent show." 😂😂
also omg bussy i'm engaged to a swede and he makes his "ch" sound into an "sh" sound all the time and he's obsessed with excel spreadsheet and talks about our sharts all the time 😂😂
i dont think elliott is in the right here but neither are kandy and gottmik. we've known that the two of them are mean girls. sounds more like social faux pas being taken extremely seriously. oh well! none of this matters, like at all.
She’s BACK from Coachella. 😮 YAAAAY! 🎉
Honestly Kandy Muse seems like a very problematic person to me.
Gottmik is so fake. He will smile at you but then talk behind your back. He is THAT kind of queen. It’s so evident of his bratty attitude on AS9 when Ru is not giving his favoritism like he received on S13.
Girl leave my baby alone
She said she doesn’t care what people think about her anymore YET somehow she is the one reaching out to people like Joseph Shepherd to “clear” her name? Sounds like you do care what people think girl 😭