I just realized the CP Streamlining basically combines the rugged, powerful locomotives of the US, with the sleek and elegant aesthetics of British railroads, symbolic of Canada's relationship with both countries.
Yeah, Canadian steam really is distinctly more handsome than most American steam locomotives, I think. It makes sense since they were a part of the British Empire.
@@Mason58654 it should be noted that under the shrouding 2860 is little more than an ALCO 4-6-4(Montreal Locomotive Works was a subsidiary of the American Locomotive Company) However Canadian locomotives ended up having their own particular blend of flavours that made us stand out, even among other countries that used the same overall types of locomotives (the US, Australia and Mexico primarily) CP’s iconic maroon red, CN’s Brunswick green, trimming and white walls everywhere. Canadian railways took great pride in their locomotives, as evidenced by the fact both railroads preserved a near complete catalogue of pretty much every class of locomotives they owned.(in many cases, several of each)
@@trainknut That’s right. They took such pride That there seems to be more operable mainline Canadian steam locomotives than American ones, Steamtown Scranton cones to mind. Either way, Canadian steam is some of the best looking in North America.
As an American, I have gotta give the Canadians credit for building some truly gorgeous locomotives. The Royal Hudson is among one of my top 10 favorite steam locomotives of all time. Now if only we could get a Selkirk running again...
I give the Canadians credit for having steam last a little longer up there. Because of this a lot of operable steam locomotives in the USA are Canadian.
I had the privilege of riding on board the train headed by the royal Hudson...they had a scheduled run from North Van to squamish. Back in 86 . Took a tour boat up to squamish , rode the train back...just walking past the locomotive while stopped,. Incredible heat coming off of it...the sound of it,. The size of the drive wheels,. "incredible at rest, majesty in motion"...an unforgettable day,. Heading down Howe sound and into West Van..(where I once lived)...
Just went to a 75th birthday celebration and fund raiser for the Royal Hudson 2860, at the West Coast Railway Heritage Park in Squamish B.C. It was great to see her again after so many years. The hope is that she will one day steam again.
You would think a working royal hudson pulling excursions across the country would be something stockholders would love. One of the main reasons the NS steam program ever existed is for public appeal and to please the executives and stockholders.
Unfortunately the museum where the Royal Hudson is stored, relies solely on public donations. The Hudson used to run daily excursions between North Vancouver and Squamish back in the '80s. Back when the trackage was owned by B.C. Rail. It is now CN track, and there is a lot of red tape and hoops to jump through to run any of the museum equipment on the mainline.
Rode in that British Columbia "Royal Hudson" once for about 30 miles near Prince George. All I could hear in the cab was the crash-clanging of metal like inside a giant metalworking shop. We were doing about 50mph and the thing charged around on the rails like a wild animal trying to escape its chains. I thought we'd all die in the crash. But it was a thrill.
Actually, from what I remember it's supposed to be a K5LA? I think? The same whistle, or at least a second one, was used on C&O 614, and was actually made and placed by the man who created the K5LA himself, if the internet is to be believed. Don't remember his name, unfortunately.
Some great film here. Excellent sound, too. Brings back some fond memories. Technical correction: Hudson is a 'type', not a 'class.' The classes are H-1-b for the 2816 and H-1-e for 2860. This is not a small distinction to steam people. Diesels usually are there to provide dynamic braking to save wear on the locomotive driver tires by reducing the need for brake applications. Steam locomotive driving wheels have separate tires which are heat-shrinked onto the wheel centre. Too much use of brakes heats up the tires and has (rarely) been known to loosen them. Regardless, application of driver brakes causes wear to a very expensive part of the locomotive. If the steam locomotive craps out to the extent it can't limp into a terminal, as someone below suggests, the Diesel is not likely to be much help. Railroad managements may insist on them for that reason, but railroad managements are not, in today's business-school driven hiring practices, terribly informed on what can and does happen when a steam loco goes wrong. Also, unless they are specifically modern passenger Diesels (basically, Via, Amtrak or a commuter operation) and are towing updated all-electric passenger cars behind them, they don't have provision for powering the electrical system of a passenger train. Although the crews usually are careful to minimize its use (on behalf of the paying customers), Diesel assist allows for a longer passenger train -- more revenue -- and also conserves water by reducing the load on the steam locomotive, lengthening the distance between water stops.
I'm pretty sure modern GEVOs might be able to help a steamer limp to a terminal, and power the electircal systems.(If a General Electric product can't produce electricity then we're all doomed) But a Geep from the 60s like through most of the video isn't going to have the power to be of any use if something goes wrong, nor the ability to power the cars.
jpp452 Man, I wish I knew a fraction of what you know about steam locomotives. I was in aircraft engineering for many years, but is all light weight alum. components and a few bits of 321/4130. I finally scored Kirkman's, 1903 "The Science of Railways" Vol.1... fantastic so little changed from then up to the 1950's ( once the right solution was worked out.) Now, wish I had spent 30 years with the RR. My brother and I would play "chicken" in 1953 on the platform seeing who could stick-it the longest leaning out and looking down the tunnel as the steaming beast would approach... it scared us to death in the perfect way... still nursing a Lionel set along. Many thanks for swell info.
For a general description, I think they were just referring to the 'Hudson' class of the CPR, not necessarily addressing the north America wide used ones.
@Steam_Dev 11 years of no new steam engines and many taken out of service. How many of the current generation have never seen a steam engine before and wouldn't even think it possible that one would be on the tracks today? lol
Here is some more Hudson whistle - night return in Melbourne, Victoria (Australia) of two Hudson R-class total 3:40, whistles from 0:37 ua-cam.com/video/xJW_Kc1FNfE/v-deo.html
CP must have been pissed about selling the 2860 for 500 bucks back in the 60s only to see what B.C.Rail made it into......the other plain Hudson 2816 was restored in the BCR shop by some of the same talented people 30 years later
I can't imagine dynamic braking would be necessary on a load which only consists of five coaches, it would be well within the capability of the steam loco's air braking system. Probably more of a back-up loco in case the Hudson failed, still seems a bit excessive though.
The diesel engine behind 2816 doesn't have much in the way of DB...it's there to provide additional air compressor capacity and to assist in the event 2816 fails on route. :-)
The real reason diesels are hooked up to excursions is mainly to provide power for the cars, back in the day they needed big steam generators, but most modern diesels can be hooked up to the cars and provide electricity and heating. 2816 is in really good shape, and that consist was by no stretch of the imagination a heavy load, so that diesel was most likely idle. Then again, Canada does have stricter regulations regarding steam operations, for example you might have noticed the ditch lights, it wasn't a fashion choice.
You're not going to get HEP from a GP38-2 or a C44, and even if they were HEP units (which they're not), you'd hear it, as HEP requires a constant 900 RPM. And you're absolutely not going to find a steam generator in any of those locomotives, either, since they were built long after steam heat was relegated to its proper place in history.
Great to steam still running in Canada ( curious, when was this video made?, has CP rail temporarily suspended its steam program?). Something for Canadian steam enthusiasts to think about: l just recently saw videos showing there are approximately 150! steam excursion lines operating in the U.K. l also saw a video of the U.K. steam loco Tornado clocking 101.6 m.p.h. on May 15, 2017!. To check this out google: Tornado 101.6 m.p.h. run 15th May 2017 PT2. So come on Canada, the U.K. not only has about 150 steam lines running, but can run some at record speed! I also saw video where in the U.K. Midlands ( Doncaster l believe) that they were building a complete steam locomotive from scratch.!
RETIRED IN 2010 AND HER FLUE TIME EXPIRED IN 2011. SHE RESIDES ON DISPLAY AT THE WEST COAST RAILWAY HERITAGE PARK ROUNDHOUSE. SHE IS STILL OWNED BY BRITISH COLUMBIA GOVURMENT AND I HEARD THEY DOES HAVE PLANS TO RESTORE IT TO OPERATIONAL.
I agree, but it is Canadian law, and they didn't do too bad of a job blending them into the front end. It was either ditch lights, or no Hudson, I think the choice they made was for the best.
Not really. And there isn't any infrastructure along the tracks to refuel. It's much easier to pump the tender full from the same fuel tanks that fuel the diesels. I wonder how they deal with water? I didn't see spare tenders like some steamers drag nowadays, since there is no water towers. But it's still a lot easier to bring a pumper truck alongside than to try and fill a tender with a crane and a truckload of coal!
Harold Mohler the reason why they convert it to oil for 2816 because with coal it leaves burning Ashes witch leaves BC Forest fires so with oil it burns cleaner, also 2816 use to burn coal but they convert it to oil because of the forest fire safety, 2860 was already an oil burner since it was in regular service
After an efficient oil-burning apparatus was invented around 1900-1910, most locomotives in the western U.S. and in the Texas region burned oil, usually Bunker C. Western Canadian railways converted after WW2 with the Alberta oil boom. Conversion to oil saves a lot of money, in part by removing the problems associated with coal handling. Oil also provides a hotter fire, although this can be a drawback to the lifespan of some of the boiler parts. In Canada, coal is very expensive because, as you suspect, good steaming coal (high calorific value, low ash) is no longer mined. The only remaining coal-burning steam locomotives in Canada that I know of have to buy from the U.S.
I just realized the CP Streamlining basically combines the rugged, powerful locomotives of the US, with the sleek and elegant aesthetics of British railroads, symbolic of Canada's relationship with both countries.
Yeah, Canadian steam really is distinctly more handsome than most American steam locomotives, I think. It makes sense since they were a part of the British Empire.
@@Mason58654 it should be noted that under the shrouding 2860 is little more than an ALCO 4-6-4(Montreal Locomotive Works was a subsidiary of the American Locomotive Company)
However Canadian locomotives ended up having their own particular blend of flavours that made us stand out, even among other countries that used the same overall types of locomotives (the US, Australia and Mexico primarily)
CP’s iconic maroon red, CN’s Brunswick green, trimming and white walls everywhere. Canadian railways took great pride in their locomotives, as evidenced by the fact both railroads preserved a near complete catalogue of pretty much every class of locomotives they owned.(in many cases, several of each)
@@trainknut That’s right. They took such pride That there seems to be more operable mainline Canadian steam locomotives than American ones, Steamtown Scranton cones to mind. Either way, Canadian steam is some of the best looking in North America.
As an American, I have gotta give the Canadians credit for building some truly gorgeous locomotives. The Royal Hudson is among one of my top 10 favorite steam locomotives of all time.
Now if only we could get a Selkirk running again...
I give the Canadians credit for having steam last a little longer up there. Because of this a lot of operable steam locomotives in the USA are Canadian.
Lots of them lying around in parks and museums "Canada's Big Boy"
@@Mason58654 Actually CN was one of the first railroads in North America to fully dieselize with the steamers being phased out in 57',58',59'
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These steam locomotives are beautiful, nothing like them.
Gary Morris I couldn't agree more!
+Elevation Media I really enjoy watching these steam locomotive videos. also enjoy videos of vintage aircraft, Ford tri-motor etc.
Elevation Media There should be an exursion with both of them on the same train double heading
Gary Morris is not
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I had the privilege of riding on board the train headed by the royal Hudson...they had a scheduled run from North Van to squamish. Back in 86 . Took a tour boat up to squamish , rode the train back...just walking past the locomotive while stopped,. Incredible heat coming off of it...the sound of it,. The size of the drive wheels,. "incredible at rest, majesty in motion"...an unforgettable day,. Heading down Howe sound and into West Van..(where I once lived)...
Canadian railroads have some of the most handsomer steamers ever.
I got this DVD at Vancouver Train expo 2018! And I enjoyed every part of the video! Great job Elevation Media!
Just went to a 75th birthday celebration and fund raiser for the Royal Hudson 2860, at the West Coast Railway Heritage Park in Squamish B.C. It was great to see her again after so many years. The hope is that she will one day steam again.
You would think a working royal hudson pulling excursions across the country would be something stockholders would love.
One of the main reasons the NS steam program ever existed is for public appeal and to please the executives and stockholders.
Unfortunately the museum where the Royal Hudson is stored, relies solely on public donations. The Hudson used to run daily excursions between North Vancouver and Squamish back in the '80s. Back when the trackage was owned by B.C. Rail. It is now CN track, and there is a lot of red tape and hoops to jump through to run any of the museum equipment on the mainline.
CN Donated the roundhouse she is stored in, probably their way of saying don't hold your breath regarding a reboot
HUDSONS !!! THEY STILL EXIST!!!
Rode in that British Columbia "Royal Hudson" once for about 30 miles near Prince George. All I could hear in the cab was the crash-clanging of metal like inside a giant metalworking shop. We were doing about 50mph and the thing charged around on the rails like a wild animal trying to escape its chains. I thought we'd all die in the crash. But it was a thrill.
Super steam train video. Fantastic. Joe
Another Iconic DVD fm these guys...if your a Hudson lover you gotta get this DVD!!
1:15, sounds like the steam whistle version of a BC Rail Nathan K5L! I love Canadian horns and whistles. Nice video!
Actually, from what I remember it's supposed to be a K5LA? I think? The same whistle, or at least a second one, was used on C&O 614, and was actually made and placed by the man who created the K5LA himself, if the internet is to be believed. Don't remember his name, unfortunately.
Its not an steam version of this horn and i think its a air whistle
I have ridden on a steam train in Fort Edmonton Park in Edmonton Alberta Canada. The train has been in the park for over 40 years
Great train, great scenery. Beautiful Canada.
There isn't not sweeter sounding train than those old steam engines... and they stand proud and strong ready to eat up some more miles of track...
Some great film here. Excellent sound, too. Brings back some fond memories.
Technical correction: Hudson is a 'type', not a 'class.' The classes are H-1-b for the 2816 and H-1-e for 2860. This is not a small distinction to steam people.
Diesels usually are there to provide dynamic braking to save wear on the locomotive driver tires by reducing the need for brake applications. Steam locomotive driving wheels have separate tires which are heat-shrinked onto the wheel centre. Too much use of brakes heats up the tires and has (rarely) been known to loosen them. Regardless, application of driver brakes causes wear to a very expensive part of the locomotive.
If the steam locomotive craps out to the extent it can't limp into a terminal, as someone below suggests, the Diesel is not likely to be much help. Railroad managements may insist on them for that reason, but railroad managements are not, in today's business-school driven hiring practices, terribly informed on what can and does happen when a steam loco goes wrong.
Also, unless they are specifically modern passenger Diesels (basically, Via, Amtrak or a commuter operation) and are towing updated all-electric passenger cars behind them, they don't have provision for powering the electrical system of a passenger train.
Although the crews usually are careful to minimize its use (on behalf of the paying customers), Diesel assist allows for a longer passenger train -- more revenue -- and also conserves water by reducing the load on the steam locomotive, lengthening the distance between water stops.
I'm pretty sure modern GEVOs might be able to help a steamer limp to a terminal, and power the electircal systems.(If a General Electric product can't produce electricity then we're all doomed)
But a Geep from the 60s like through most of the video isn't going to have the power to be of any use if something goes wrong, nor the ability to power the cars.
jpp452 Man, I wish I knew a fraction of what you know about steam locomotives. I was in aircraft engineering for many years, but is all light weight alum. components and a few bits of 321/4130. I finally scored Kirkman's, 1903 "The Science of Railways" Vol.1... fantastic so little changed from then up to the 1950's ( once the right solution was worked out.)
Now, wish I had spent 30 years with the RR. My brother and I would play "chicken" in 1953 on the platform seeing who could stick-it the longest leaning out and looking down the tunnel as the steaming beast would approach... it scared us to death in the perfect way... still nursing a Lionel set along. Many thanks for swell info.
For a general description, I think they were just referring to the 'Hudson' class of the CPR, not necessarily addressing the north America wide used ones.
i think we can agree canada did a good job making steam engines, im happy to be in a country with these
We sure hope The Royal Hudson in Squamish BC will return to service soon!
1:16 [train whistle] 0:35 [train chugging]
2:57 [train chugging]
This DVD is on my bucket list to get.
Hi! Found you on Curious the tourist guide. This is great for the train lover! Keep it going!! Thank-you!!! js
One of them was in the IMAX film Rocky Mountain Express
2816
I have hopes for the two to breathe life again, we just gotta have hope
There is a chance to see 2816. It is CPs new CEO's favourite locomotive. But 2860 resides on CNs tracks. Last I heard both did need work on
The Empress 2816 is beautiful but nothing beats the streamlined look of the 2860 Royal Hudson!
Those are some stylish steam locomotives. Someone put in an effort.
3:33 I feel like drivers would be confused and call the fire department if this happened today lol
@Steam_Dev 11 years of no new steam engines and many taken out of service. How many of the current generation have never seen a steam engine before and wouldn't even think it possible that one would be on the tracks today? lol
Shame the 2860 probably will never run again. She was a beautiful engine
I can assume the second whistle on these two Hudson class steam locomotives is blown with the touch of a button.
Oh man, that whistle! Why was I born in this era? I don't belong here.
I was born in that era. I don't belong here either, don't like it at all.
Same I like old stuff I don’t belong in this time
Here is some more Hudson whistle - night return in Melbourne, Victoria (Australia) of two Hudson R-class total 3:40, whistles from 0:37 ua-cam.com/video/xJW_Kc1FNfE/v-deo.html
CP must have been pissed about selling the 2860 for 500 bucks back in the 60s only to see what B.C.Rail made it into......the other plain Hudson 2816 was restored in the BCR shop by some of the same talented people 30 years later
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For the 2860, BNSF used it for publicity. For 2816, it is to assist the locomotive on the heavy mountain grades. Hope that helps!
Listen to 2860 bark up that grade from 0:28 - 0:53!
I wonder how long can the engine driver bear the sound of this engine
The modern locomotive is being pulled because it has dynamic braking to assist the steam engine .
I can't imagine dynamic braking would be necessary on a load which only consists of five coaches, it would be well within the capability of the steam loco's air braking system. Probably more of a back-up loco in case the Hudson failed, still seems a bit excessive though.
The diesel engine behind 2816 doesn't have much in the way of DB...it's there to provide additional air compressor capacity and to assist in the event 2816 fails on route. :-)
The real reason diesels are hooked up to excursions is mainly to provide power for the cars, back in the day they needed big steam generators, but most modern diesels can be hooked up to the cars and provide electricity and heating.
2816 is in really good shape, and that consist was by no stretch of the imagination a heavy load, so that diesel was most likely idle.
Then again, Canada does have stricter regulations regarding steam operations, for example you might have noticed the ditch lights, it wasn't a fashion choice.
You're not going to get HEP from a GP38-2 or a C44, and even if they were HEP units (which they're not), you'd hear it, as HEP requires a constant 900 RPM.
And you're absolutely not going to find a steam generator in any of those locomotives, either, since they were built long after steam heat was relegated to its proper place in history.
2816 is back
Yep. That’s right.
Great to steam still running in Canada ( curious, when was this video made?, has CP rail temporarily suspended its steam program?). Something for Canadian steam enthusiasts to think about: l just recently saw videos showing there are approximately 150! steam excursion lines operating in the U.K. l also saw a video of the U.K. steam loco Tornado clocking 101.6 m.p.h. on May 15, 2017!. To check this out google: Tornado 101.6 m.p.h. run 15th May 2017 PT2. So come on Canada, the U.K. not only has about 150 steam lines running, but can run some at record speed! I also saw video where in the U.K. Midlands ( Doncaster l believe) that they were building a complete steam locomotive from scratch.!
why is there a modern locomotive being pulled along also.
Or maybe backup if 2816 somehow dies.
Its for the electricity, and just in case the steamer breaks down.
None of the diesels in this video are capable of providing HEP. They're there because steam locomotives aren't particularly reliable.
See my reply above.
@@ErickC Not true. The diesel was there for dynamic braking. The steam engine was doing all the work.
What happened to 2860?
RETIRED IN 2010 AND HER FLUE TIME EXPIRED IN 2011. SHE RESIDES ON DISPLAY AT THE WEST COAST RAILWAY HERITAGE PARK ROUNDHOUSE. SHE IS STILL OWNED BY BRITISH COLUMBIA GOVURMENT AND I HEARD THEY DOES HAVE PLANS TO RESTORE IT TO OPERATIONAL.
It would’ve been cool if they did a double header for the final spike tour after the merger of cpkc
beautiful locomotives... but they are ruined by the stupid Ditchlights. Steam engines should not have ditchlights!
Looks fine to me.
I agree, but it is Canadian law, and they didn't do too bad of a job blending them into the front end.
It was either ditch lights, or no Hudson, I think the choice they made was for the best.
Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions I aculey don't mind 2816 having a ditchlight if she'd were one
Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions this is Canadian Railway safety, every steam locomotives should be equipped with a ditch light
eye candy
This is the *canadian* polar express.
I can't believe these locos burn oil instead of coal. Isn't there much coal mining in Canada?
Idk know the coal mining rate in Canada, but some US trains run off of oil
Not really. And there isn't any infrastructure along the tracks to refuel. It's much easier to pump the tender full from the same fuel tanks that fuel the diesels. I wonder how they deal with water? I didn't see spare tenders like some steamers drag nowadays, since there is no water towers. But it's still a lot easier to bring a pumper truck alongside than to try and fill a tender with a crane and a truckload of coal!
Harold Mohler the reason why they convert it to oil for 2816 because with coal it leaves burning Ashes witch leaves BC Forest fires so with oil it burns cleaner, also 2816 use to burn coal but they convert it to oil because of the forest fire safety, 2860 was already an oil burner since it was in regular service
After an efficient oil-burning apparatus was invented around 1900-1910, most locomotives in the western U.S. and in the Texas region burned oil, usually Bunker C. Western Canadian railways converted after WW2 with the Alberta oil boom.
Conversion to oil saves a lot of money, in part by removing the problems associated with coal handling. Oil also provides a hotter fire, although this can be a drawback to the lifespan of some of the boiler parts. In Canada, coal is very expensive because, as you suspect, good steaming coal (high calorific value, low ash) is no longer mined. The only remaining coal-burning steam locomotives in Canada that I know of have to buy from the U.S.
The steamers are okay, but look! A Geep!
Back off from the microphone just a bit.
Lokomotif diesel kecepatan mencapai 160 km/h
This whole scene is ruined by the diesel thing behind the tender... ick
I guess its better than the alternative to... the current day. Nothing running.
Easy there Diesels have their own charm and without them Railways would no longer exist!
Why does this ugly BNSF diesel have to spoil the picture in the first scenes?
ITS HELPING 2860. IF 2860 BROKE DOWN THE DIESEL WILL LEAD.
What's that dirty disgusting modern diesel garbage doing there????
A DIESEL HELPER HE WILL LEAD THE EXCURSION IF 2860 BROKE DOWN.