When I saw the thumb nail for this video I seriously had no idea what it was that you had made. It was a toss up between a decorative broach and some sort of claw!!! So glad I clicked on the video as those tear drop punches look great! Stay safe John and everyone else 👍
A shop, regardless if it is black smith or woodwork like mine, is a blessing in trying times. There is no greater satisfaction to create something that never existed before the material touched my hands. I appreciate your thoughts at the end John. Stay safe and be well.
Black bear forge is one of my favorite forging channels, very informative without being too drab. Another outstanding display of your skill level and knowledge. Thank you for all that you do and please keep it coming.
Hey John. The thumbnail you chose for this video is very classy looking. Beautiful even. It took me by surprise when it finally clicked, that it was one of your videos. Nice job.
Seen this when new, Now getting ready to make my set thanks for the teaching Sir. Great to review before my build,I thank you for the many many times you have help me have nice tooling for making nice things
Nice video. I use a piece of pipe and a hardy fork when straightening out coil spring. A heavy dogwood mallet and a board on the anvil is handy for pounding out light stuff.
John, thank you for another useful & instructive video. I see that I need to visit some junk yards or truck suspension businesses so I can pick up more springs. Take care!
I enjoy watching tools been made ,then making them .it really helps when the smith you watch has a unique way of presenting each step .so once again John I thank you for sharing .
I was lucky enough to score a 6ft rod of 5160 at Quad State 2 years ago, also a friend bought a new car and immediately upgraded to the "sports" package so I scored 4 new springs to barter with for other goodies so no uncoiling needed by me !
Thanks for that, as always great explanation of technique and clear working procedure. Nice to see some tools that help give an artisan touch to the work. Coil spring has proved to make excellent quality tools for me, edge retention is is up there with the very best. I try and always have a number of different thickness coils at hand. Usually make a few extra blanks when I am straightening our the coils. Handy thing to have and can be quickly shaped as needed. I see a year has passed since this video was made and lockdown is still very much a reality so great to have resources like this to inspire and to keep both mind and hand occupied through these challenging times, Thanks again for all your input.
I would love a video on good sites to get non-blade steels like 4140 as I do not really know where to get them. I like that you have a guard on your angle grinder, I have seen master smiths who do not use them and the angle grinder is one of the more dangerous tools in any smiths shop especially when using a cut off disk. Keep up the good work.
Hello John Thank you for this very inspiriering video You teach me very much in your video and i have 4 Springs from my old Lada 4×4 so i can make a lot of Tools 😉😉😏 So the theory 🤔🤔😏 But i will do it and with your video on my Handy i am shure it in german we say wird es klappen I wish you all the best Stay healthy and save Greetings yours Frank
Nice tools you made there, John. I can't wait to get out to the forge and make a set...lots of applications. When I cut coil spring for one (or more) tools, I always just cut one at a time, from the end. That way you aren't crowding the adjacent coil and risking a nick. You will have to later fight to straighten and cut the other tools from it anyway, so just do one at a time. Also, it's much easier to just measure around the end of the coil 6, 8, or 10 inches, whatever you need, cut, and straighten the shorter piece along the anvil and post vise....much easier than wrestling a longer piece.
This is exactly what I would use for these. I get my springs from a 4*4 place. Most of these are due to upgrading suspension, more than fatigues. But honestly I have no idea why they were cast off :)
Great video John! Thanks again for the great content and lessons. Hope you and yours stay safe,happy and healthy!! Thank you for all you do in providing this content sir!👍😎
woo hoo! first view! I win. Haha. Another very interesting video John. Thank you. And once again, you get the wheels turning on more tools that we need in our shop!
Nice set of economic tools John. I can inagine anything from Leaf decoration to Noses and Eyebrows, Lot's of food for thought. Thank's as always for your expert lessons
The thumbnail kept bothering me but I have finally figured it out. Sloth claws. The arrangement of the punches in the thumbnail looks like sloth claws.
Slick John.. I like that closing music to.. I noticed it was cold there as your breath was showing at the beginning.. We start in the mid 30's still out here in the PNW but get up to the upper 50's and even 60 now.. summer is coming.. to bad we can't get out and see it in! Stay safe brother..
Sometimes they are just a list of what I need to make for the day and sometimes they were sketches done during a video or live demo in the shop. Just a handy alternative to a white board.
Given the toughness of the coil spring, when cutting it into 3 pieces, could you not have used your side grinder as you did to cut the original piece? It seemed like a lot of work using the hardy.
It will probably crack. However, I do know someone that quenches S7 in water, but after watching his process, I think he was quenching well bellow the recommended temperature. He seems to get away with it.
I do always enjoy your tool making videos, John. My treadle hammer is getting closer to completion a friend gave me a 256 lb acme thread bolt for the anvil. Using your treadle hammer has given me a closer look at how you use the dies. Do you have any suggestions for what I really want/need for both the top die and bottom? Do you use a universal type for the bottom when actually forging with it? When I get closer to final assembly I'll try to post photos on your BB forum.
Hey John another great video. I was good up to the curved block. Do you have a plan for those who don't have a swage block?? Also what do you use to quench your tools in? Thanks for all your inspiration. Stay safe also 🔨🔥
Best idea is to make a simple swage that sits on the anvil or find something with the right curve already in it. Its amazing how many found objects have useful forming shapes.
Concerning fatigued steel, wouldn't the fact of normalizing the steel return it to it's natural state? And then of course you heat treat it after? Loved the punches!
You said, "I turned the gas pressure down to the absolute minimum this forge will run at..." Why? Was that to keep form overheating the chisel or something else?
He's just wanting to temper it, so its his preference in having it heat more slowly. Doing hammer work, you'd want it to be as hot as possible without damaging the forge or the work. The important thing here is getting the hard working point and softer shaft. You don't really want to strike cold hardened steel with your hammer, but you want the working point to hold up it's shape. That's why he let it cool rapidly when he got a straw-bronze color at the tip with blues further up the shaft. The tip is going to be as hard as a knife, but the material behind it will be more resilient to stress.
Hi John, Seems you've hot very little scale out of your gas forge. Are you running it any richer Than normal? Or anything else? Thanks for this vidéo. Very instructive as always. Cheers from Toulouse France. Philippe
Surprised you didn't mark a sample piece of work, But I now doing better heat treat and watching for the little bit of gold before the purple seems to harden my chisel best (as you did show Sir I thank you
I'm looking at these tools and I think I know what you are going to use them for. But, if you don't show a finished pattern I can't be sure. You don't even have to show them in use, just something you have done with them. Take a picture of previous work for instance.
I like it when you make tools with old material. Thanks for sharing. Sure enjoy your channel
Had to come back and rewatch since this is a current project
When I saw the thumb nail for this video I seriously had no idea what it was that you had made. It was a toss up between a decorative broach and some sort of claw!!! So glad I clicked on the video as those tear drop punches look great! Stay safe John and everyone else 👍
These were hard to get a good image of
@@BlackBearForge It's a really good image........ if I had actually read the tital! Definitely a good photo 👍
A shop, regardless if it is black smith or woodwork like mine, is a blessing in trying times. There is no greater satisfaction to create something that never existed before the material touched my hands. I appreciate your thoughts at the end John. Stay safe and be well.
Thank you
Thanks for spending so much time making these instructional videos
Thanks for the idea. With many 5160 chisel "blanks" ready to go I'm using your idea. Very useful video. Thanks again.
Just finished a set of ball end punches. Now I know what's next. Thanks john. Be well.
Black bear forge is one of my favorite forging channels, very informative without being too drab. Another outstanding display of your skill level and knowledge. Thank you for all that you do and please keep it coming.
Thank you for another awesome video on tools. Inspiration to a fairy new blacksmith
Hey John. The thumbnail you chose for this video is very classy looking. Beautiful even. It took me by surprise when it finally clicked, that it was one of your videos. Nice job.
Thanks, I was having trouble getting something that showed the working end of the tools
Hi John you do a great job explaining be safe friend
Have a brother-in- law who modified a truck and removed the coil springs these were in great shape! Not even the paint was scratched.
Seen this when new, Now getting ready to make my set thanks for the teaching Sir.
Great to review before my build,I thank you for the many many times you have help me have nice tooling for making nice things
Thanks John, nice job and very useable.
Great video. Thumbs up from me. 👍
Nice video. I use a piece of pipe and a hardy fork when straightening out coil spring. A heavy dogwood mallet and a board on the anvil is handy for pounding out light stuff.
John, thank you for another useful & instructive video. I see that I need to visit some junk yards or truck suspension businesses so I can pick up more springs. Take care!
I enjoy watching tools been made ,then making them .it really helps when the smith you watch has a unique way of presenting each step .so once again John I thank you for sharing .
Always great John.
I was lucky enough to score a 6ft rod of 5160 at Quad State 2 years ago, also a friend bought a new car and immediately upgraded to the "sports" package so I scored 4 new springs to barter with for other goodies so no uncoiling needed by me !
Great video John, those punches look really useful! I hope you remain safe and healthy as well.
Good fun. Thank you for sharing. You're a wise man and I appreciate all that you do for us hobbyist...
Thanks for that, as always great explanation of technique and clear working procedure. Nice to see some tools that help give an artisan touch to the work. Coil spring has proved to make excellent quality tools for me, edge retention is is up there with the very best. I try and always have a number of different thickness coils at hand. Usually make a few extra blanks when I am straightening our the coils. Handy thing to have and can be quickly shaped as needed. I see a year has passed since this video was made and lockdown is still very much a reality so great to have resources like this to inspire and to keep both mind and hand occupied through these challenging times, Thanks again for all your input.
Oh I love straightening coil spring
Hi John, thanks for the video. Be safe friend.
I would love a video on good sites to get non-blade steels like 4140 as I do not really know where to get them. I like that you have a guard on your angle grinder, I have seen master smiths who do not use them and the angle grinder is one of the more dangerous tools in any smiths shop especially when using a cut off disk. Keep up the good work.
Hello John
Thank you for this very inspiriering video
You teach me very much in your video and i have 4 Springs from my old Lada 4×4 so i can make a lot of Tools 😉😉😏
So the theory 🤔🤔😏
But i will do it and with your video on my Handy i am shure it in german we say wird es klappen
I wish you all the best
Stay healthy and save
Greetings yours
Frank
Don't we need a perfect storage system for the many chisel type tools we need
Thanks for the teaching you do,Sir
The set of wooden drawers seen near the hydraulic press are so far holding all of this type of tool. But I may out grow them at some point.
I just made a few of these, I've been looking at a lot of medieval and renaissance work and these shapes come up a lot. Thanks for sharing!
John, thank you for putting out such great, informative videos. Always a pleasure to watch you create.
Glad you're enjoying them
Good day John, great video of tools and how you make them. Thanks for sharing with us,you did a great job! Fred.
Good looking tools!
Love making tools n have actually been making quite a few 5160 punches lately. Il have to add these to the list. Thank you john
More tools! I always have tools to make I’ll add this to the pile.
I think that was about my favorite video from you. Nice work.
Nice tools you made there, John. I can't wait to get out to the forge and make a set...lots of applications.
When I cut coil spring for one (or more) tools, I always just cut one at a time, from the end. That way you aren't crowding the adjacent coil and risking a nick. You will have to later fight to straighten and cut the other tools from it anyway, so just do one at a time. Also, it's much easier to just measure around the end of the coil 6, 8, or 10 inches, whatever you need, cut, and straighten the shorter piece along the anvil and post vise....much easier than wrestling a longer piece.
Been a while since you did tool making video's. Thanks John! I really like this type of video.
Thanks
I'm always amazed with John's knowledge and expertise when it comes to forging.
Thanks John!
This is exactly what I would use for these. I get my springs from a 4*4 place. Most of these are due to upgrading suspension, more than fatigues. But honestly I have no idea why they were cast off :)
Great video John! Thanks again for the great content and lessons. Hope you and yours stay safe,happy and healthy!! Thank you for all you do in providing this content sir!👍😎
As always, a great class! thanks for the video, stay safe!
Was wondering what you would use them for. Awesome John! Thanks for sharing and God Bless you sir!
woo hoo! first view! I win. Haha. Another very interesting video John. Thank you. And once again, you get the wheels turning on more tools that we need in our shop!
Great job John, very nice tools
Before You I would throw out a lot of metal. Now I’m a beginner hoarder. I can use it I know I can.
Nice set of economic tools John. I can inagine anything from Leaf decoration to Noses and Eyebrows, Lot's of food for thought. Thank's as always for your expert lessons
The thumbnail kept bothering me but I have finally figured it out. Sloth claws. The arrangement of the punches in the thumbnail looks like sloth claws.
These were hard to get a good image of. But maybe someone will make some claws using the idea
Slick John.. I like that closing music to.. I noticed it was cold there as your breath was showing at the beginning.. We start in the mid 30's still out here in the PNW but get up to the upper 50's and even 60 now.. summer is coming.. to bad we can't get out and see it in! Stay safe brother..
At least we will be able to work in the shop or yard. But I think any travel plans are out the window
@@BlackBearForge True.. But I have seen your place.. and I would much rather be there.. stay safe my black smith friend..
@@BlackBearForge ua-cam.com/video/gxwWf-MfZVk/v-deo.html here is a smith video I think you might like.. Japanese sword making.. The best I have seen..
Hi John
I have often seen things chalked onto the coal forge hood but I don't remember you ever explaining what they are. Perhaps a subject for a tip video?
Sometimes they are just a list of what I need to make for the day and sometimes they were sketches done during a video or live demo in the shop. Just a handy alternative to a white board.
I use my post vice to start uncoiling springs. Any vice works to get it started. :)
me too that and a bender bar tool to get in and bnd where I want.
Given the toughness of the coil spring, when cutting it into 3 pieces, could you not have used your side grinder as you did to cut the original piece? It seemed like a lot of work using the hardy.
It isn't that much work on the hardy.
These look like thumbprint for leather work and im considering trying to make a couple for leather work
Nice outro lick
Thanks
What happens if you quench something like S7 in oil or water?
It will probably crack. However, I do know someone that quenches S7 in water, but after watching his process, I think he was quenching well bellow the recommended temperature. He seems to get away with it.
What I like to do for used steel is go to the junkyard and get it off of a vehicle that’s still in relatively good shape
New, high-quality springs for unpopular vehicles can often be found on Ebay for cheap, too...
I do always enjoy your tool making videos, John. My treadle hammer is getting closer to completion a friend gave me a 256 lb acme thread bolt for the anvil. Using your treadle hammer has given me a closer look at how you use the dies. Do you have any suggestions for what I really want/need for both the top die and bottom? Do you use a universal type for the bottom when actually forging with it? When I get closer to final assembly I'll try to post photos on your BB forum.
Holy cow thats a big bolt. I'll try to do a video taking a closer look at my dies
@@BlackBearForge Thank you John. I am bound to learn something
Hey John another great video. I was good up to the curved block. Do you have a plan for those who don't have a swage block?? Also what do you use to quench your tools in? Thanks for all your inspiration. Stay safe also 🔨🔥
Best idea is to make a simple swage that sits on the anvil or find something with the right curve already in it. Its amazing how many found objects have useful forming shapes.
I'd like to have a tool 9 or 10 inches long too LOL
Concerning fatigued steel, wouldn't the fact of normalizing the steel return it to it's natural state? And then of course you heat treat it after?
Loved the punches!
Normalizing will not repair any fractures in the material. Sometimes they are to small to see but will eventually cause failure.
@@BlackBearForge Ahh, now I understand, thank you!
You said, "I turned the gas pressure down to the absolute minimum this forge will run at..." Why? Was that to keep form overheating the chisel or something else?
Less gas equals lower temp so I don't get it to hot and can also bring it up to heat more slowly
He's just wanting to temper it, so its his preference in having it heat more slowly. Doing hammer work, you'd want it to be as hot as possible without damaging the forge or the work. The important thing here is getting the hard working point and softer shaft. You don't really want to strike cold hardened steel with your hammer, but you want the working point to hold up it's shape. That's why he let it cool rapidly when he got a straw-bronze color at the tip with blues further up the shaft. The tip is going to be as hard as a knife, but the material behind it will be more resilient to stress.
Man, I think you need to check the ring of your anvil. Is sounds more like a belt sander.
Hi John, Seems you've hot very little scale out of your gas forge. Are you running it any richer Than normal? Or anything else? Thanks for this vidéo. Very instructive as always. Cheers from Toulouse France. Philippe
No particular change in the forge as far as I know
Surprised you didn't mark a sample piece of work, But I now doing better heat treat and watching for the little bit of gold before the purple seems to harden my chisel best (as you did show
Sir I thank you
Hopefully i will make a video today showing how I use these
I'm looking at these tools and I think I know what you are going to use them for. But, if you don't show a finished pattern I can't be sure. You don't even have to show them in use, just something you have done with them. Take a picture of previous work for instance.
Please see this morning video on using these tools to forge a leaf
Biggef tools ........Yup
You work too hard. Get the metal hotter and bend it by hand. Spring steel shouldn't shatter if it's tempered properly, right?
Dont worry i steal good spring from good cars so its safe no problem