As an ENTP, I’m a calm, open-minded, and flexible person… slow to anger. However, when people assert opinions as facts and with no room for nuance, I can fire up in a flash. I have left a few social groups and volunteer/community organisations because of dogmatic opinions. Opinions are not facts!
What if those dogmatically asserted opinions are based on solid data, but that data isn't at hand? Do you ask for the evidence of their claims, or mostly dispute their internal logic?
@@johnknight9150 It depends… I expect the evidence. However in my experience, those that express their opinions in a strong, dogmatic way, usually do so because they’re making up for a paucity of evidence. If they have the evidence, I will advise them that a more effective way to get me to listen is to be less dogmatic and more open to questions. ENTPs are fans of questioning, building on ideas and improving understanding rather than settling for fixed opinions.
@@johnknight9150 I thought I’d answered that in the latter part of my previous response. If we want someone to accept or listen to our opinion, even if we have demonstrable evidence, it’s more effective to express them in a constructive rather than dogmatic way.
@@Jennie8684 Slightly different takes on the same thing. Whether or not the person knows how to be constructive in an argument, what happens when the other person is actually correct, but bad at arguing, while someone good at arguing and being "constructive" is leading the conversation (and a possible audience) into an incorrect belief, based on faulty evidence but good argumentation? For full disclosure, I'm an INTJ who generally like ENTPs, but a pet peeve of mine is that for ENTPs, quite often the argument seems to take precedent over the actual truth. Almost as if enough strongly constructed internal logic will override what's actually happening in the real world.
Well, I suppose it's better than the reverse. I prefer to hold what is not based on opinion. I madden everyone who cares by my utter refusal to make a firm stance on if the earth is round(ish) like a ball or flat(tish) like a saucer. I have heard some evidence that would support both, none that would prove either; and the Bible uses a word to describe the earth that could actually mean either. For me to say the earth is one or the other would be for me to hold a weak opinion strongly. If I had one, but I don't. There is no point to one. I am here, living. Whatever way it turns out to be, iti s the right thing to sustain life, so I don't care. But, everyone wants me to have an opinion and they always assume I really have the opinion opposite theirs and am afraid to say so. There are other things. I can't think of any right now, but I remember being asked what my opinion is on this thing or that happening and I absolutely had none, because, I just didn't care. If I had a motto it would be "If not peace, then war." But, I'd have to fight an entire Scottish Clan to the death to get it, or prove I belonged to it and either would be too much commitment.
I will say ENTPs learn how to entertain themselves. All I need around is someone that gets me and my sense of humor and absolutely anything can be entertaining and fun.
Two things: 1. ENFPs display a similarly paradoxical nature as ENTPs do in their desire to fight for truth then overthrow it. For ENFPs, this shows up in their need to be authentic despite being very changeable. Somehow, they maintain that thread of them-ness in all their various incarnations. 2. I’ve noticed how much I move my hands when talking. That’s… odd. ~ Nathan
Expressing yourself with more then words (choice of words, inflictions, emphasis, mimic and gestures) is awesome 😎 Lately a lot is going on and I'm sorry I don't coment as much for now. But the video is great 🎀 So Mr. Nathan, what's up with the shirt?
INTP here. ENFPs are like onions... except for when they're like parfaits, which is what separates ENFPs from ogres...🥸 An ENFP often searches for whatever makes him/her feel like they're being their "authentic" (I hate that word) self... until it doesn't anymore, and then they move on to something else... until they circle back around to it again when the new thing stops working for them. They're very determined to stick with whatever their focus is in the moment, but moments come and go. I don't think that's a behavior pattern that's unique to ENFPs, but they make those shifts more energetically and enthusiastically than most.
@@hotdogeater8647 Yeah fuck those videos where mechanics aways talk about cars and lawyers always talk about the law. If only they were as creative as you.
As an ENTP, I hate any and every sort of "extreme", People who are too good and people who are too bad. Those who live by "i'm free, i can do whatever i want" and those who are afraid all time and abide all the rules. It just doesn't make any sense for me to be so certain about anything actually. Also one of the things that always bugged me since i was a child is the idea of role model, i never understood how any person can look up to any other person their entire lives. At first i felt envious that i couldn't look up to a certain person or ideology and for real i thought i lacked something that other people have but as i got older i discovered it's because i investigate, over analyze pretty much everything and i don't let the look of any thing deceive me so basically i like certain thing about a certain person today, i look them up and study them and then i'll be like "oh, so you're great at X and terrible at Y" and then i move on to the next. Also in relation to this point, it was just yesterday when i discovered even though i like to comfort people and listen to their troubles i really don't care or connect emotionally i just wanna understand to learn more, also people never take anything too seriously to discuss except their troubles and i like troubleshooting and brainstorming so i'm down to help anyone and of course it makes feel good about myself. I noticed that i really love listening to people and sort their problems out and i get so invested and take things personally but the second they whine, i just lose all the emotions and every motivation to help and think "we've already talked about this and came up with solutions, why whine now??" I guess that's where the uncertainty comes from. Any certainty about anything in life requires a certain level of believe and faith aka some sort of emotional connection to that idea and i guess ENTPs don't have that.... Right???
Fellow ENTP here and I find it surreal that I can relate to most things. Not having emotions or connecting on a deep level with 99% of the people I interact with still amazes me to this day. A friend will ask me “do you even care?” and I wouldn’t even be able to tell them yes even if something really tragic is happening to them. It’s sad but I just can’t feel many emotions. I can only determine the appropriate emotions for most situations and try to behave and act in a way that reflects those goals. As for your role model point, I also find it surprising people can stick with one model their whole life. But I think because no one’s perfect, people are indirectly forced to pick and choose qualities they want from the role models. When that person is involved in a scandal or commits a serious enough crime, then the person who originally looked up to them just goes to look up to another role model. It’s a life of switching and I don’t really know anyone that can stick with one role model their whole life unless they only see a stage persona of them, like a singer who never really gets involved in drama that’s due to their own actions (does that even exist)? I also enjoy helping people with their problems. Sometimes my questions can bother people lots even when I simply want to know more. I’ll ask “what do you think is best”? “How does that make you feel”? And some people can get bothered. I always attribute their reactions to their lack of experience with real diagnoses of problems but I don’t think that’s a healthy conclusion. Similar to you, I also don’t really care how someone feels about a problem. If it can be fixed, I can help, even if I don’t care much about the person I’m talking to.
However, we might be talking about two very different things. For me, it's like.. I went to school with out and out satan worshipers, okay? They held orgies pretty regularly, did a lot of drugs, defiled graves and all sorts of things. But, they were so shocked and offended if you stepped over them while they were screwing in the hallway. "Have some respect!" they'd yell. Yeah, sure. As soon as you go put all the graves back to rights and write a note of apology for the church you broke into during the away game! I would so much prefer that they made no pretense of being polite, clean, deserving of respect people. Or, dealing with racists. I'd rather they just be racists, full on in public settings, instead of pretending to be something else but you can feel it slurgling underneath everything they say and do. I like people that are honest, in other words. If they are honestly so good it is unbelievable, great! If they are honestly "do what thou wilt" people, well, it wouldn't be my choice, but either is better than lip service only Christians. That's what I mean.
Even as an INTP, I have always felt the desire to argue against what somebody says, even if I agree with them. I always felt that this was my attempt at balance.
it can be irritating to deal with at the times, as you need every little detail in order to fully understand ideas at times. I seriously don't understand how you guys cope with that.
"When a fool sees himself as he is, then he is a fool no longer; and when a wise man learns of his own wisdom, then he becomes a fool." This caused me great trouble, for it seemed mere word play. But after many years I have come to this conclusion: that only in certainty is there moral danger. Doubt is the gift we must cherish, for it forces us to question our motives constantly. It guides us to truth. - David Gemmell, Waylander i read this quote when i was around 12 and it probably did frame my perspective on certainty, doubt and truth. haha maybe it's what tilted my personality towards more ENTP tendencies
I can't entirely disagree with the person quoted. I wouldn't get that from the thing he quoted, though. It's pretty cut and dried to me. When a fool sees hmself he understands what he is, so he has learned and therefore he is wise. When a wise man learns of his own wisdom- which is the same as a talented man learning of his own talent or a beautiful woman learning of her own beauty- the recognition of a value to others as being a part of himself causes him to begin to act in a way that makes him of less value. Hence, why Solomon went the way he did. Very wise, but oh he did some very foolish, easily pointed out as foolish, things.
Not just theoretically or in arguments… ENTP are also comfortable with ambiguity on a practical level. One of the best examples I can think of as an ENTJ, is in the professional/workplace setting. We work in an environment where goals may remain, but strategies and plans frequently change, and the only other MBTI type who can handle this seem to be the ENTP’s
I am always in doubt when it is about me being an ENTP, I sometimes think, I am an ESTP or any type with Ti-Fe, but thanks for your videos. You always reassure me I am one of them.
When in doubt, you can ask yourself which type of 'grip stress' you fall into. An ESTP will fall into Ni grip, which may look like obsession/worry about the future, catastrophic thinking, and detachment from reality (what's physically right in front of them). Some ESTPs I've met will try to find connections between unrelated things (kind of like magical thinking). An ENTP will fall into Si grip, which may look like hypochondria, pessimism, obsession over insignificant details and past experiences. Some ENTPs I know will create elaborate spreadsheets with inane data. Both types when extremely stressed tend to become paranoid and withdrawn. A common solution for both is socializing and sharing their inner world with those they trust. Connection is key.
As an ENTP, I think ENTPs like uncertainty not because they are drawn to it, but because they feel this is the setting where they will have an advantage over everyone else. They will see the opportunities line up and orchestrate them while others are holding on to whatever habits they think will help them get back to order. But order is an illusion of course, that's the joke!
Wow nice insights there. ENTPs are literally the best in uncertain scenarios. Other types (except other Pe dominants and to the lesser extent Pe auxes) may go crazy in uncertainties, not the ENTPs Other types may excel more in facts, skills that come from repetition, etc. ENTPs aren't good at this, but they are gods once they can bring other types to their field, which is devil's advocacy
I noticed that I will put up a passionate idea or argument forward and if someone agrees with me right away I say "Well I could be wrong, I don't know". If they say something like," No, I think you are totally right," I start arguing with them about the reasons I could be wrong.
"They don't like the feeling of committing ... well ... to anything." If I had, still doubts, when hence I came no more would I have after hearing the truth dripping from thine tongue, unfettered.
As an ENTP, I find in most social situations there is never a concrete objective correct answer to anything. I believe if there was an objective answer everyone would believe it.
ENTP here, one thing that ticks me off is when someone is too confident of being certain about something, whether that could be a topic of the existence of God or intellectual diarrhea. Someone who is blind to different perspectives and counterarguments is my favorite one to play with.
Well as someone Muslim, the most thing I repeat these days after I learned my mbti and what it meant, that I'm very grateful that I know and have my religion. Questioning is not wrong, it's actually said to do, but ignoring some signs of truth to be satisfied what you want to believe is wrong. You may not believe, but the worst thing to do for yourself is not having a undeniable solid reason why you're denying. I'd very love it if you consider my words and search God and religion from a different perspective, such as Islam. Have a great day!
@@laralia1972 "not having a undeniable solid reason why you're denying" that's the limitation of our capacity of comprehension as a species. We thought that we can attain the objective truth ourselves. In reality, we're all delusional and slave to our beliefs. Beliefs are meant to be the anchor of one's identity, not the final destination. Without an anchor, we will be lost in the sea of chaos. An anchor should provide stability, not to be chained on one spot. Everywhere we go, our anchor should hold. In the judgement day, it can be seen as the final harvest. What is there to harvest when the crops are malnourished and hasn't grown (and being fruitful)? "Man cannot live by bread alone." If your beliefs are limiting your growth and the capacity to be fruitful, then that means you're not getting the sufficient nutrients of the mind. And that means diversity of information.
As an INTP who is best friends with an ENTP, I definitely see that as a double-edged sword. We've always loved arguing with each other. In classic ENTP fashion, he has an enormous quantity of ridiculous takes that are translated into "just asking questions." He is a good person to debate against, but I always feel like I am arguing with jello.
He'll say something, and I'll start arguing about it. But then he very subtly shifts what he is saying. If I'm not paying very careful attention, 4 minutes later his position is completely different. In order for us to argue effectively, I have to constantly signpost saying, "this is the discussion point." When I do that with INTP precision, he usually ends up losing, and then we move to another argument. But INTP's and ENTP's love arguing, so in the end it is a cooperative endeavor. @@shanshen8914
As an ENTP i hate the idea of being locked into certain beliefs based on what others expect me to think. If i have strong beliefs and values knowing i am the one who arrived at those, through experimenting and changing the beliefs/values x times back and forth, then that is something i value.:) The thought of being stagnant and not able to grow in uncertain ways is boring. I want to continually evolve based on the new experiences i get along the way and that often involves uncertainty. In the end, looking back, the uncertainty was worth it. My favorite quote has always been “The journey is the destination”.
Sent this to my istj friend because this perfectly explains to her something I do a lot that she doesn’t quite understand. We’ve talked about it before but I lacked the words in that situation for whatever reason and found it hard to express this but I appreciate how concise and overall good you are with your words (not just here but in literally every video??? keep it up)
And in turn I desperately am latching onto things within myself trying to grapple with my lack of identity. Longing to have an identity you feel secure and confident in, not changing with the wind. But at the same time shitting on others who do the same, because how can you believe in something so strongly that is so full of holes?
No matter how much people seem well put together, I can always see the numerous cracks in their foundation. I have to pick on SJ types on this one. I love testing SJs and then get great entertainment when they snap
As an INTJ, my ENTP acquaintance is either bored or has a vulnerable/lost look on his face if he cannot find a way to disagree with what I have to say, and never have I detected more youthful exuberance when I have confidently presented my master plan or concrete views only for him to blast away at a crack found in my argument as a means to either try to embarrass me or discredit my entire point, but at least I found somebody who enjoys to argue too, even if not too fairly, but I’ll take what I can get
I love entp-intj banter/dynamic. Especially if they’re mature enough to mostly push it in a rationally bounded yet still forward/growth oriented model (both are intuitive doms and thinkers after all). sounds like your dynamics is worth exploring and maybe your acquaintance will in time develop into more, friends, creative/business/love/world-domination whatever it may be depends on context and It does take patience from entp, which isn’t easy! so in turn intjs, don’t take forever with them sorting things out in your head the way you do if you value this playful interaction. Compromise is actually rarely worth it, but this relationship when they mutually respect one another and are willing to be honest with themselves and each other can be one that is. hth, best wishes,
Side note but why you gotta mildly diss your non-present friend in an unnecessary side point that they argue unfair? I don’t know maybe they did but it’s not rare an Ni-dom would tend to view an Ne-dom argument style “unfair”,. Y’all can think and debate and we love you for it but you take things way too personal and sometimes you have visceral responses when your current paradigms break or duster. You don’t see it in the moment perhaps but eventually. And think we can’t see it?. We can, we just don’t rub it in your face maybe . There is the Fe in us after all - just like how you have Fi. Even as neither of us will out these things above logic. On that note not that I know the facts! I’m just speculating obviously.😁 but I’ve no reason to believe you argue fair and your friend doesn’t. And you should care zero about this personally as I’m just a random stranger on the internet
My best friend is an ENTP. I've known him for a long time and even lived with him for quite a few years. That's been a great education in the ENTP type! ~ Nathan
As an intj woman in an intense relationship very crazy , joyous one with an alpha male ENTP, Mr. Glass , every word in this video is gold. I have experienced every sentence uttered here by my partner.
Taking apart and likely destroying an argument is beginner ENTP stuff. You’re nowhere with the thing until you can put it back together so it actually works. It’s no damn good in pieces. Extra points if you can get the supporter of the failed position to do it himself.
Women do that all the time. Now, doing it to a woman, there's a trick.This is not a feminist thing I say. Or, against women, either. Just saying it because it's true of many women and certainly more women than men.
By the title I thought this was going to go in the direction that viewing the world in an uncertain way fosters an ability to thrive within an uncertain world.
I HATE when people are overly-confident about their opinions. It's like: have you really looked at all the data, and also, things change all the time. Just because it's true now, doesn't mean it still will be in the future. It bothers me, not because it goes against my opinion, but because what they're saying just may not be true. At least have some humility when you assert something. Acknowledge that what you're saying might not be right, there are other conclusions and answers out there potentially. My ESTJ brother and I butt heads on this a lot lol
Same, I thought I was an entp because in written arguments you’re basically forced to use your introverted thinking more often than in real life, and I thought I was just adapting to the written format. Then I realized it was the way I always do things and I would be easily taken down in real life due to my lack of quick thinking lol
When people sound super sure of themselves, I immediately become suspicious. That is why I have difficulty with any particular religion. I used to go to different types of churches at least once a year. The idea was that eventually I might find one that moved me. However, the idea of being a hypocrite is so distasteful to me that I'm never willing to buy right into something lest I become one.
Well as someone Muslim, the most thing I repeat these days after I learned my mbti and what it meant, that I'm very grateful that I know and have my religion. You're very right with your point of view, but you shouldn't leave it like this only. As you know there are different religions, so there must be a reason for it right? It seems that you want to believe or find a truth to hold onto but you're not satisfied. I would really love to invite you to search Islam, the last religion that has been sent. Search by listening to scholars such as mufti menk, and by reading Islamic books written by Muslims. Only people who believe something so deeply can convince you if they are right. I as a Muslim question everyday, that what we call tefekkur in Islam, and its suggested. In Islam its said so clearly, to learn your religion and understand it instead of just doing it how people do it, without understanding the meaning and purpose. So not finally but temporarily, I'm finishing my words of advising you to search Islam. Have a great day!
ENTP here. As people in my circle realize they can’t win debates against me, I have to keep branching out my circle to find new people to debate me. That means I have a ton of friends, but am only very close with a few. Those are usually the ones I like to get in good trouble with. Shenanigans.
Can anybody explain why, from this and many other descriptions of ENTPs, they seem to value social harmony less than INTPs (and many other Thinking types) despite Fe being their third cognitive function? I know they enjoy lively debates and are more open to risk-taking but why (if so) at the expense of social harmony and keeping the peace? I’m an INTP with ENTP friends and I’ve found I’m always the first one to hold my tongue and deescalate a conflict. Tbh I find it hard to tell a healthy ENTP and an unhealthy ENTP apart most of the time. They just seem to never know when to stop.
We all tend to have a weird relationship with our inferior function that usually goes from one extreme to another. Often, we may find ourselves being sensitive/careful/insecure around aspects involving it. Plus, intuitive functions require overthrowing familiarity (such as it is the case with Ne dom Si inferior) or challenging the status quo (Ni dom Se inferior). Regardless of the cognitive functions in between, these types might rely on that (dis)balance to achieve something.
I've been wondering this, but If we're going by the third function as being childlike, I know my older brother seems to be very concerned with crowd pleasing, and often needs to check in with the consensus. I think this is a big contradiction, but I think all the types may be contradictory somehow. We INTJs are kind of system-building anarchists, which is quite an oxymoron, I think.
Fe gives ENTPs the ability to fit in a group easily, and they can usually go with that charade for weeks or months, depending on how mismatched they are. ENTPs like to debate and discuss, but for some people, that might be misinterpreted as arguing and being contrary. When Ne and Ti decide keeping up the Fe is no longer worth it, they yeet. That’s why while ENTPs are socially more versatile than INTPs, they have more trouble than INTPs finding a group they belong in. But in terms of quantity in having groups of friends, ENTPs definitely win.
@@spacesimp I don't think 'arguing and being contrary' is a misinterpretation. I think it's an urge. From an outsider's perspective at least. If it isn't, well... ENTPs certainly do a lot of it.
@@johnknight9150 Yeah, that's what it definitely comes off as. But from an ENTP's perspective, it's definitely not like that. We question things a lot, and often take the opposing viewpoint, but it's more of trying to understand your perspective than outright arguing/fighting with you.
Yea no thanks from an intj-a. uncertainty is the lack of enough research being done or the mental capacity to make the right judgment for yourself. you don't need to be right, but standing still is as bad as moving in the wrong direction.
Funnily enough, Sokrates (ENTP) went after "Sophists" as much as Plato (INFJ) could only grasp him in answers like "yes, Sokrates, of course Sokrates, seems plausible Sokrates, you could say that Sokrates", etc. pp. It's fully developed and embraced Fe that will give the ENTP the ability to actually be of use instead of damnation in eternal sophistry
Is it possible for an INTP to do this as well? I'm a bit more hesitant to do this now that I've developed my Fe more, but sometimes I just find it very tempting to start a debate for no reason whatsoever other than to challenge a viewpoint. The dinner table can get heated sometimes because of me.
I will say that my anti-religion stance is among other things, also because most religious texts are 2,000 years old and are not living documents, but fixed ideas from a pre-science past of fear and superstition….
(sigh) I have to say something. I keep seeing people referring to ENTPs as "devil's advocates" and the term is always used wrong. Seeing both sides of a situation is not being a devil's advocate. The devil's advocate is the person who is assigned to argue for the devil since he is not there arguing for himself. It was an actual practice of, probably, the Catholics. It's been a while since I looked it up and had to know it. But, it was literally assuming that just because something is Biblically moral doesn't mean it can't be proven to be a worse idea than something else that Satan would offer as an alternative. So, before making a decision on some matter of great import they would have one person argue for the side of Jesus and the way he thought things should be done and the other argue for the side of Satan and the way he thought things should be done. Then, they would do the one that seemed most prudent or find a common ground between them. Which is exactly the sort of thing the Bible tells one not to do. I mean, if that's not becoming unevenly yoked with an unbeliever ... ENTPs see both sides. They can argue both sides. They do not argue for evil to reign on earth in the guise of good, necessarily. I certainly don't! I would never play devil's advocate. I would, however, play "What would my friend want that I don't and who would win and why." And, I have successfully talked myself out of the evening I thought I would most enjoy, as a result of that sort of argument. But, it was never to further the goal of evil.
yeah, i tend to dislike people who think their opinion is truth. Not because it's a proof of stupidity or dogmatism, but because when they do that, they exclude everybody who doesn't think the same and have the same right to think they are right. This and the lack of humility it shows. But, again it's really the proof - IN THE END - of contempt. I just don't like people who thinks they are better than others. EVEN if i do agree with them, i will try to destroy their argument by taking the opposite point of view and beating myself, just to teach them some humility and that every "truth" they thought they had is just an opinion. EDIT : On top of that, nothing is more fun than sparring and winning against someone you dislike and doesn't understand what you are trying to do. Bonus point if that's in public. Double bonus point if the other guy begins to anger and becomes agressive.
I[m an ENTP and yes, you are right on on all points. And, ours is not an easy lot in these days of political correctness. These are such a goad for a put-down reply but one has to be careful because the politically correct have the upper hand, after all they are morally and intellectually superior holding opinions of the majority. Conformity really, really bugs me. To me it means the person is a coward or too darn lazy to think for him/her self. In my rather large circle of friends (an ethnic community) people seem to have a grudging respect for me because I'm not afraid to speak out on issues but they don't want me in their social clubs like the Book Club. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be in that club because of the stereo-typical, predictable and obvious conclusions that they will be reaching and discussing and feeling so proud about. Humanity is a big disappointment - lazy and cowardly. But I do have a few intelligent friends, mostly older people or a few from Europe where it seems they are not so brainwashed and are not afraid of using their brains for a discussion or debate. Debating by the way, seems to be a lost art. In school, many decades ago, you would debate one side of an issue, then the next day have to debate the other side. Grades were given for the strength of arguments. Today, no one debates no one analyses anything. No one wants originality. Conformity is in, so creativity is dead. Sad state of affairs, and it's getting worse.
As an ENTP, I've realized that ENTP has knowledge but lacks "WISDOM". We are intelligent, clever, witty , social and usually what we say Sounds very logical BUT we say this at the wrong time in wrong scenarious causing outrageous reaction from others. We dont stick to one idea and jump across both side of the coin causing many SENSORS to be confused about what does he actually stand for.
ENTP is neutral only because they analyse both sides of things,not because we dont have opinions and trust me we are neutral for your benifit not to hurt you because we see everything.
This is the theory…but I repeatedly find ENTPs to be more conformist than expected, (third place Fe?) and more certain than expected (they draw hasty conclusions.) Observations of an INTP
Truth is just something we all agree upon, within some context. When it comes to truths, only the agreement part matters. God is true. Allah is true. Buddha is true. - me, an entp
I have often wondered how the different sexes deal with similar situations related to their types. Feel free to join the LoveWho Discord server, I tend to pick the brains of various types on there (the conclusions of which turn up in videos like this one) ~ Nathan
I hate generic quotes (just like a certainty in ideas) exactly because they try to establish themselevs as wisdom and reality is far more complicated than them...
Certainty is so confusing. Ppl just pick random opinions based on how comfortable they are with them and then just pretend it's the truth and when you point out to them how their truth is in fact just an opinion they get mad. What are we supposed to do? Just play along and act like mercury retrograde, lizard humans and gods are hard facts? What's so enraging about a "maybe"?
Although I don't mind ENTPs, that absolute neutrality, and treating the information from both sides as equal can be their biggest downfall -- especially when combined with a tendency towards contrarianism. I think ENTPs could learn a practical lesson from some more "F-type" emotional reasoning, where some people's points of view really shouldn't be considered, or given air time. If that notion offends you, then let me reframe it into something more "T" friendly. At least going from my own observations, it seems ENTPs place far too much trust in internal logic (Ti) without taking the time to verify the reliability of those data points (Te). (And whether or not something is "morally correct" (Fi) seems to be either completely alien or even repugnant in itself!) I find ENTPs want to move too quickly, where if the logic seems to check out, then they'll happily start making that argument, or adopting that behaviour, often in the public sphere. This ENTP Devil's Advocate approach can often result in... well... advocating for the Devil! T types may look down on F types' inclination to pay more attention to _who_ is conveying a piece of information, and how that person's character seems, but very often that will act as a folk-wisdom shortcut to picking trusted sources. When followed through to completion, this path leads to Te-style reliable data.
This is so unbelievably true. I’ve been in ENTP-heavy circles and they’re not as neutral as they like to think they are, especially not as you said when they take devils advocate all the time purely because they want to. It’s not being nonpartisan, it’s being provocative, and it causes many fallouts and upset people when unchecked… which seems to be most of the time. I don’t get why it’s so rare for ENTPs (based on both experience and online descriptions, including this one) to value social harmony with Fe 3rd in their stack, as an INTP I feel more commonground with IxFx types despite having Fe inferior because I’ve made an effort to develop it… maybe it’s to do with them having Si inferior and the constant lack of care for deciding on something, to the point of disrespecting when others want to?
@@veritasvanburen_ Yep. What you said. I'm an INTJ, with an INTP twin brother and an ENTP older brother. My INTP twin is kind of guilty of the same thing.... to a certain extent... but it doesn't take him too long to come back out of that both-sides/devil's-advocate and settle back into his moral and logical internal frameworks, he just needs a bit of a Te grounding sometimes. Regarding a particularly large world event -- which I don't want to get into -- he expressed concern over our older brother because, 'he has a pattern of siding with the enemy'. I think he sees patterns too easily (anything happening twice is a pattern for him!), but I think it's probably a good accusation to throw at ENTPs' dark side in general. But I don't want to poop on ENTPs in general. I like any ENTP with a well established moral compass. Which probably comes from good parents.
I really hate being the "ENTP representative" , but your argument was interestingly put together and there aren't ENTPs responding to it so i'll just give my two cents. First, although this isn't something i would normally admit during an argument, i don't care about morals at all when i'm arguing. When i argue about something i get entertained and some times, as the argument progresses i even feel as if i have unlocked a new "position" i've never experienced before, this last element i feel like it's the fuel behind our personality. We're selfish debaters with a hidden agenda that's only known to us, if you wanna see it that way. Both sides of the spectrum can help us get there but the "boldest" side will usually give us better or faster results, and this is why we're perceived as "neutral" with a tendency towards the "negative side". Truth is sides/morals don't really matter when there's a disconnect like that, we're not invested in the cause or motivation behind someone's point or our point, it's all just stepping stones, we're looking for something and the other person doesn't know about it. I possess my own moral compass just like anyone else, maybe a little more flexible or gray than the average, but when arguments are a game and a means to something else completely, morals don't really have any weight, a lot of times i contradict my own morals when i'm playing with a point, just like you can kill someone in a videogame and not feel bad about it.
ISTP here, if someone speaks with absolute certainty about a subject I will wrack my brain to find a crack in their argument, just because it's fun to watch their frustration 😂😂.
As an ENTP, I’m a calm, open-minded, and flexible person… slow to anger. However, when people assert opinions as facts and with no room for nuance, I can fire up in a flash. I have left a few social groups and volunteer/community organisations because of dogmatic opinions. Opinions are not facts!
What if those dogmatically asserted opinions are based on solid data, but that data isn't at hand? Do you ask for the evidence of their claims, or mostly dispute their internal logic?
@@johnknight9150 It depends… I expect the evidence. However in my experience, those that express their opinions in a strong, dogmatic way, usually do so because they’re making up for a paucity of evidence. If they have the evidence, I will advise them that a more effective way to get me to listen is to be less dogmatic and more open to questions. ENTPs are fans of questioning, building on ideas and improving understanding rather than settling for fixed opinions.
@@Jennie8684 What about fixed opinions based on strong demonstrable evidence?
@@johnknight9150 I thought I’d answered that in the latter part of my previous response. If we want someone to accept or listen to our opinion, even if we have demonstrable evidence, it’s more effective to express them in a constructive rather than dogmatic way.
@@Jennie8684 Slightly different takes on the same thing. Whether or not the person knows how to be constructive in an argument, what happens when the other person is actually correct, but bad at arguing, while someone good at arguing and being "constructive" is leading the conversation (and a possible audience) into an incorrect belief, based on faulty evidence but good argumentation?
For full disclosure, I'm an INTJ who generally like ENTPs, but a pet peeve of mine is that for ENTPs, quite often the argument seems to take precedent over the actual truth. Almost as if enough strongly constructed internal logic will override what's actually happening in the real world.
If I had a motto, it would be: "Hold Strong Opinions Weakly"
- ENTP
That's really great! ~ Nathan
That's a G quote dude
Well, I suppose it's better than the reverse. I prefer to hold what is not based on opinion.
I madden everyone who cares by my utter refusal to make a firm stance on if the earth is round(ish) like a ball or flat(tish) like a saucer. I have heard some evidence that would support both, none that would prove either; and the Bible uses a word to describe the earth that could actually mean either. For me to say the earth is one or the other would be for me to hold a weak opinion strongly. If I had one, but I don't. There is no point to one. I am here, living. Whatever way it turns out to be, iti s the right thing to sustain life, so I don't care. But, everyone wants me to have an opinion and they always assume I really have the opinion opposite theirs and am afraid to say so.
There are other things. I can't think of any right now, but I remember being asked what my opinion is on this thing or that happening and I absolutely had none, because, I just didn't care.
If I had a motto it would be "If not peace, then war." But, I'd have to fight an entire Scottish Clan to the death to get it, or prove I belonged to it and either would be too much commitment.
@@arlettasloan6453the last paragraph describes entps entirely
Seven days is a long time to hold an opinion, I think?
I will say ENTPs learn how to entertain themselves. All I need around is someone that gets me and my sense of humor and absolutely anything can be entertaining and fun.
"Strong views, lightly held" for me as an ENTP
Two things:
1. ENFPs display a similarly paradoxical nature as ENTPs do in their desire to fight for truth then overthrow it. For ENFPs, this shows up in their need to be authentic despite being very changeable. Somehow, they maintain that thread of them-ness in all their various incarnations.
2. I’ve noticed how much I move my hands when talking. That’s… odd.
~ Nathan
Expressing yourself with more then words (choice of words, inflictions, emphasis, mimic and gestures) is awesome 😎
Lately a lot is going on and I'm sorry I don't coment as much for now. But the video is great 🎀
So Mr. Nathan, what's up with the shirt?
INTP here. ENFPs are like onions... except for when they're like parfaits, which is what separates ENFPs from ogres...🥸
An ENFP often searches for whatever makes him/her feel like they're being their "authentic" (I hate that word) self... until it doesn't anymore, and then they move on to something else... until they circle back around to it again when the new thing stops working for them. They're very determined to stick with whatever their focus is in the moment, but moments come and go.
I don't think that's a behavior pattern that's unique to ENFPs, but they make those shifts more energetically and enthusiastically than most.
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hey man just wanted to ask, doesnt it get tiring talking bout the same thing multiple times?? im not insulting u or anything im just VERY curious
@@hotdogeater8647 Yeah fuck those videos where mechanics aways talk about cars and lawyers always talk about the law. If only they were as creative as you.
My ENTP's Fe ability to understand what people value, then use those things as a point of reference with logical Ti and open Ne is stunning.
Sounds like a well-rounded ENTP. More mature.
I agree with the comment below. Mature ENTPs who've integrated and embraced their Fe are brilliantly empathetic ~ Nathan
@@lovewhoThe thing is, my Entp is rather young. I would love to see more specific analysis of types in situations like this one.
Doing same bro, that’s why people see me as someone authentic to his values although I kinda copy theirs
As an ENTP, I hate any and every sort of "extreme", People who are too good and people who are too bad. Those who live by "i'm free, i can do whatever i want" and those who are afraid all time and abide all the rules. It just doesn't make any sense for me to be so certain about anything actually.
Also one of the things that always bugged me since i was a child is the idea of role model, i never understood how any person can look up to any other person their entire lives. At first i felt envious that i couldn't look up to a certain person or ideology and for real i thought i lacked something that other people have but as i got older i discovered it's because i investigate, over analyze pretty much everything and i don't let the look of any thing deceive me so basically i like certain thing about a certain person today, i look them up and study them and then i'll be like "oh, so you're great at X and terrible at Y" and then i move on to the next. Also in relation to this point, it was just yesterday when i discovered even though i like to comfort people and listen to their troubles i really don't care or connect emotionally i just wanna understand to learn more, also people never take anything too seriously to discuss except their troubles and i like troubleshooting and brainstorming so i'm down to help anyone and of course it makes feel good about myself. I noticed that i really love listening to people and sort their problems out and i get so invested and take things personally but the second they whine, i just lose all the emotions and every motivation to help and think "we've already talked about this and came up with solutions, why whine now??"
I guess that's where the uncertainty comes from. Any certainty about anything in life requires a certain level of believe and faith aka some sort of emotional connection to that idea and i guess ENTPs don't have that.... Right???
Fellow ENTP here and I find it surreal that I can relate to most things. Not having emotions or connecting on a deep level with 99% of the people I interact with still amazes me to this day. A friend will ask me “do you even care?” and I wouldn’t even be able to tell them yes even if something really tragic is happening to them. It’s sad but I just can’t feel many emotions. I can only determine the appropriate emotions for most situations and try to behave and act in a way that reflects those goals.
As for your role model point, I also find it surprising people can stick with one model their whole life. But I think because no one’s perfect, people are indirectly forced to pick and choose qualities they want from the role models. When that person is involved in a scandal or commits a serious enough crime, then the person who originally looked up to them just goes to look up to another role model. It’s a life of switching and I don’t really know anyone that can stick with one role model their whole life unless they only see a stage persona of them, like a singer who never really gets involved in drama that’s due to their own actions (does that even exist)?
I also enjoy helping people with their problems. Sometimes my questions can bother people lots even when I simply want to know more. I’ll ask “what do you think is best”? “How does that make you feel”? And some people can get bothered. I always attribute their reactions to their lack of experience with real diagnoses of problems but I don’t think that’s a healthy conclusion. Similar to you, I also don’t really care how someone feels about a problem. If it can be fixed, I can help, even if I don’t care much about the person I’m talking to.
That's funny, because, I am usually far happier with those who live in a more "extreme" way and its the wishy-washy and hypocrites I hate.
However, we might be talking about two very different things. For me, it's like.. I went to school with out and out satan worshipers, okay? They held orgies pretty regularly, did a lot of drugs, defiled graves and all sorts of things. But, they were so shocked and offended if you stepped over them while they were screwing in the hallway. "Have some respect!" they'd yell. Yeah, sure. As soon as you go put all the graves back to rights and write a note of apology for the church you broke into during the away game! I would so much prefer that they made no pretense of being polite, clean, deserving of respect people. Or, dealing with racists. I'd rather they just be racists, full on in public settings, instead of pretending to be something else but you can feel it slurgling underneath everything they say and do.
I like people that are honest, in other words. If they are honestly so good it is unbelievable, great! If they are honestly "do what thou wilt" people, well, it wouldn't be my choice, but either is better than lip service only Christians. That's what I mean.
Even as an INTP, I have always felt the desire to argue against what somebody says, even if I agree with them. I always felt that this was my attempt at balance.
Yeah. However, INTPs would be nicer in the argument.
it can be irritating to deal with at the times, as you need every little detail in order to fully understand ideas at times. I seriously don't understand how you guys cope with that.
No, you didn't. (grin)
Exactly, and then EVERYONE thinks that you share the opinion you are defending, smh. As an ENTP I'm so done with it everytime.
"When a fool sees himself as he is, then he is a fool no longer; and when a wise man learns of his own wisdom, then he becomes a fool." This caused me great trouble, for it seemed mere word play. But after many years I have come to this conclusion: that only in certainty is there moral danger. Doubt is the gift we must cherish, for it forces us to question our motives constantly. It guides us to truth.
- David Gemmell, Waylander
i read this quote when i was around 12 and it probably did frame my perspective on certainty, doubt and truth. haha maybe it's what tilted my personality towards more ENTP tendencies
I love that you were even thinking about those things at such a young age! Thank you for this comment ~ Nathan
I can't entirely disagree with the person quoted. I wouldn't get that from the thing he quoted, though. It's pretty cut and dried to me. When a fool sees hmself he understands what he is, so he has learned and therefore he is wise. When a wise man learns of his own wisdom- which is the same as a talented man learning of his own talent or a beautiful woman learning of her own beauty- the recognition of a value to others as being a part of himself causes him to begin to act in a way that makes him of less value. Hence, why Solomon went the way he did. Very wise, but oh he did some very foolish, easily pointed out as foolish, things.
Not just theoretically or in arguments… ENTP are also comfortable with ambiguity on a practical level. One of the best examples I can think of as an ENTJ, is in the professional/workplace setting. We work in an environment where goals may remain, but strategies and plans frequently change, and the only other MBTI type who can handle this seem to be the ENTP’s
I am always in doubt when it is about me being an ENTP, I sometimes think, I am an ESTP or any type with Ti-Fe, but thanks for your videos. You always reassure me I am one of them.
When in doubt, you can ask yourself which type of 'grip stress' you fall into.
An ESTP will fall into Ni grip, which may look like obsession/worry about the future, catastrophic thinking, and detachment from reality (what's physically right in front of them).
Some ESTPs I've met will try to find connections between unrelated things (kind of like magical thinking).
An ENTP will fall into Si grip, which may look like hypochondria, pessimism, obsession over insignificant details and past experiences. Some ENTPs I know will create elaborate spreadsheets with inane data.
Both types when extremely stressed tend to become paranoid and withdrawn. A common solution for both is socializing and sharing their inner world with those they trust. Connection is key.
@@FeistyPancakes the complicated part is I have OCD
As an ENTP, I think ENTPs like uncertainty not because they are drawn to it, but because they feel this is the setting where they will have an advantage over everyone else. They will see the opportunities line up and orchestrate them while others are holding on to whatever habits they think will help them get back to order. But order is an illusion of course, that's the joke!
Wow nice insights there. ENTPs are literally the best in uncertain scenarios. Other types (except other Pe dominants and to the lesser extent Pe auxes) may go crazy in uncertainties, not the ENTPs
Other types may excel more in facts, skills that come from repetition, etc. ENTPs aren't good at this, but they are gods once they can bring other types to their field, which is devil's advocacy
Uncertainty is terrifying but I also do some of these things. I usually find myself pointing out obvious holes rather than questioning though.
I noticed that I will put up a passionate idea or argument forward and if someone agrees with me right away I say "Well I could be wrong, I don't know". If they say something like," No, I think you are totally right," I start arguing with them about the reasons I could be wrong.
"They don't like the feeling of committing ... well ... to anything." If I had, still doubts, when hence I came no more would I have after hearing the truth dripping from thine tongue, unfettered.
“True.. for now.” Exactly.
That was the only (simple) way I could think of to express that notion! ~ Nathan
As an ENTP, I find in most social situations there is never a concrete objective correct answer to anything. I believe if there was an objective answer everyone would believe it.
I like people who care. It gives me something to speak to. Many people do not care, it is good to learn when not to waste your carefully chosen words.
ENTP here, one thing that ticks me off is when someone is too confident of being certain about something, whether that could be a topic of the existence of God or intellectual diarrhea.
Someone who is blind to different perspectives and counterarguments is my favorite one to play with.
Well as someone Muslim, the most thing I repeat these days after I learned my mbti and what it meant, that I'm very grateful that I know and have my religion. Questioning is not wrong, it's actually said to do, but ignoring some signs of truth to be satisfied what you want to believe is wrong. You may not believe, but the worst thing to do for yourself is not having a undeniable solid reason why you're denying. I'd very love it if you consider my words and search God and religion from a different perspective, such as Islam. Have a great day!
@@laralia1972 "not having a undeniable solid reason why you're denying" that's the limitation of our capacity of comprehension as a species.
We thought that we can attain the objective truth ourselves. In reality, we're all delusional and slave to our beliefs.
Beliefs are meant to be the anchor of one's identity, not the final destination. Without an anchor, we will be lost in the sea of chaos. An anchor should provide stability, not to be chained on one spot.
Everywhere we go, our anchor should hold.
In the judgement day, it can be seen as the final harvest.
What is there to harvest when the crops are malnourished and hasn't grown (and being fruitful)?
"Man cannot live by bread alone." If your beliefs are limiting your growth and the capacity to be fruitful, then that means you're not getting the sufficient nutrients of the mind. And that means diversity of information.
I love your ENTP videos.
Good! There will be many more over time ~ Nathan
As an INTP who is best friends with an ENTP, I definitely see that as a double-edged sword. We've always loved arguing with each other. In classic ENTP fashion, he has an enormous quantity of ridiculous takes that are translated into "just asking questions." He is a good person to debate against, but I always feel like I am arguing with jello.
Can you elaborate on what you mean with jello? just curiuous lol
He'll say something, and I'll start arguing about it. But then he very subtly shifts what he is saying. If I'm not paying very careful attention, 4 minutes later his position is completely different. In order for us to argue effectively, I have to constantly signpost saying, "this is the discussion point." When I do that with INTP precision, he usually ends up losing, and then we move to another argument. But INTP's and ENTP's love arguing, so in the end it is a cooperative endeavor. @@shanshen8914
As an ENTP i hate the idea of being locked into certain beliefs based on what others expect me to think. If i have strong beliefs and values knowing i am the one who arrived at those, through experimenting and changing the beliefs/values x times back and forth, then that is something i value.:) The thought of being stagnant and not able to grow in uncertain ways is boring. I want to continually evolve based on the new experiences i get along the way and that often involves uncertainty. In the end, looking back, the uncertainty was worth it.
My favorite quote has always been “The journey is the destination”.
One word describes an average ENTP comment: "SOURCE!!!!"
This is hilarious! ~ Nathan
Sent this to my istj friend because this perfectly explains to her something I do a lot that she doesn’t quite understand. We’ve talked about it before but I lacked the words in that situation for whatever reason and found it hard to express this but I appreciate how concise and overall good you are with your words (not just here but in literally every video??? keep it up)
And in turn I desperately am latching onto things within myself trying to grapple with my lack of identity. Longing to have an identity you feel secure and confident in, not changing with the wind. But at the same time shitting on others who do the same, because how can you believe in something so strongly that is so full of holes?
No matter how much people seem well put together, I can always see the numerous cracks in their foundation. I have to pick on SJ types on this one. I love testing SJs and then get great entertainment when they snap
As an INTJ, my ENTP acquaintance is either bored or has a vulnerable/lost look on his face if he cannot find a way to disagree with what I have to say, and never have I detected more youthful exuberance when I have confidently presented my master plan or concrete views only for him to blast away at a crack found in my argument as a means to either try to embarrass me or discredit my entire point, but at least I found somebody who enjoys to argue too, even if not too fairly, but I’ll take what I can get
I love entp-intj banter/dynamic. Especially if they’re mature enough to mostly push it in a rationally bounded yet still forward/growth oriented model (both are intuitive doms and thinkers after all).
sounds like your dynamics is worth exploring and maybe your acquaintance will in time develop into more, friends, creative/business/love/world-domination whatever it may be depends on context and It does take patience from entp, which isn’t easy! so in turn intjs, don’t take forever with them sorting things out in your head the way you do if you value this playful interaction. Compromise is actually rarely worth it, but this relationship when they mutually respect one another and are willing to be honest with themselves and each other can be one that is.
hth, best wishes,
Side note but why you gotta mildly diss your non-present friend in an unnecessary side point that they argue unfair? I don’t know maybe they did but it’s not rare an Ni-dom would tend to view an Ne-dom argument style “unfair”,. Y’all can think and debate and we love you for it but you take things way too personal and sometimes you have visceral responses when your current paradigms break or duster. You don’t see it in the moment perhaps but eventually. And think we can’t see it?. We can, we just don’t rub it in your face maybe . There is the Fe in us after all - just like how you have Fi. Even as neither of us will out these things above logic.
On that note not that I know the facts! I’m just speculating obviously.😁 but I’ve no reason to believe you argue fair and your friend doesn’t. And you should care zero about this personally as I’m just a random stranger on the internet
it's amazing how well you undestand entps
My best friend is an ENTP. I've known him for a long time and even lived with him for quite a few years. That's been a great education in the ENTP type! ~ Nathan
As an intj woman in an intense relationship very crazy , joyous one with an alpha male ENTP, Mr. Glass , every word in this video is gold. I have experienced every sentence uttered here by my partner.
I was going to say that I'm uncertain how I feel about this video but it was too interesting to make fun of. Good work.
Taking apart and likely destroying an argument is beginner ENTP stuff. You’re nowhere with the thing until you can put it back together so it actually works. It’s no damn good in pieces. Extra points if you can get the supporter of the failed position to do it himself.
Women do that all the time. Now, doing it to a woman, there's a trick.This is not a feminist thing I say. Or, against women, either. Just saying it because it's true of many women and certainly more women than men.
By the title I thought this was going to go in the direction that viewing the world in an uncertain way fosters an ability to thrive within an uncertain world.
I HATE when people are overly-confident about their opinions. It's like: have you really looked at all the data, and also, things change all the time. Just because it's true now, doesn't mean it still will be in the future. It bothers me, not because it goes against my opinion, but because what they're saying just may not be true. At least have some humility when you assert something. Acknowledge that what you're saying might not be right, there are other conclusions and answers out there potentially. My ESTJ brother and I butt heads on this a lot lol
That's exactly the reason, why I broke up with my boyfriend
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I'm semi I stay automatic,
I money add then multiply.
I call that moneymathematics.
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I'm an INTP who plays an ENTP online.
Same, I thought I was an entp because in written arguments you’re basically forced to use your introverted thinking more often than in real life, and I thought I was just adapting to the written format. Then I realized it was the way I always do things and I would be easily taken down in real life due to my lack of quick thinking lol
When people sound super sure of themselves, I immediately become suspicious. That is why I have difficulty with any particular religion. I used to go to different types of churches at least once a year. The idea was that eventually I might find one that moved me. However, the idea of being a hypocrite is so distasteful to me that I'm never willing to buy right into something lest I become one.
I love the balance of this. Your mindset is deeply skeptical yet that doesn't get int the way of you being open-minded ~ Nathan
Well as someone Muslim, the most thing I repeat these days after I learned my mbti and what it meant, that I'm very grateful that I know and have my religion. You're very right with your point of view, but you shouldn't leave it like this only. As you know there are different religions, so there must be a reason for it right? It seems that you want to believe or find a truth to hold onto but you're not satisfied. I would really love to invite you to search Islam, the last religion that has been sent. Search by listening to scholars such as mufti menk, and by reading Islamic books written by Muslims. Only people who believe something so deeply can convince you if they are right. I as a Muslim question everyday, that what we call tefekkur in Islam, and its suggested. In Islam its said so clearly, to learn your religion and understand it instead of just doing it how people do it, without understanding the meaning and purpose. So not finally but temporarily, I'm finishing my words of advising you to search Islam. Have a great day!
THANK YOU, I believe that nothing is worth believing 100%, whether it's religion or science-everything evolves and what's right rn may still be wrong
Happy bday, Nathan!! 🎉
Why thank you...
"This is new, factinating, makes sense, full of potential and craps on everything we've painstakingly built. I like it."
"What neutrality gives me is balance" oh boy thanks for verbalizing that whoever you are
ENTP here. As people in my circle realize they can’t win debates against me, I have to keep branching out my circle to find new people to debate me. That means I have a ton of friends, but am only very close with a few. Those are usually the ones I like to get in good trouble with. Shenanigans.
I find I don’t often disagree with people’s conclusions but their premises. I question their perception not their answers.
Can anybody explain why, from this and many other descriptions of ENTPs, they seem to value social harmony less than INTPs (and many other Thinking types) despite Fe being their third cognitive function? I know they enjoy lively debates and are more open to risk-taking but why (if so) at the expense of social harmony and keeping the peace? I’m an INTP with ENTP friends and I’ve found I’m always the first one to hold my tongue and deescalate a conflict. Tbh I find it hard to tell a healthy ENTP and an unhealthy ENTP apart most of the time. They just seem to never know when to stop.
We all tend to have a weird relationship with our inferior function that usually goes from one extreme to another. Often, we may find ourselves being sensitive/careful/insecure around aspects involving it. Plus, intuitive functions require overthrowing familiarity (such as it is the case with Ne dom Si inferior) or challenging the status quo (Ni dom Se inferior). Regardless of the cognitive functions in between, these types might rely on that (dis)balance to achieve something.
I've been wondering this, but If we're going by the third function as being childlike, I know my older brother seems to be very concerned with crowd pleasing, and often needs to check in with the consensus. I think this is a big contradiction, but I think all the types may be contradictory somehow. We INTJs are kind of system-building anarchists, which is quite an oxymoron, I think.
Fe gives ENTPs the ability to fit in a group easily, and they can usually go with that charade for weeks or months, depending on how mismatched they are. ENTPs like to debate and discuss, but for some people, that might be misinterpreted as arguing and being contrary. When Ne and Ti decide keeping up the Fe is no longer worth it, they yeet. That’s why while ENTPs are socially more versatile than INTPs, they have more trouble than INTPs finding a group they belong in. But in terms of quantity in having groups of friends, ENTPs definitely win.
@@spacesimp I don't think 'arguing and being contrary' is a misinterpretation. I think it's an urge. From an outsider's perspective at least. If it isn't, well... ENTPs certainly do a lot of it.
@@johnknight9150 Yeah, that's what it definitely comes off as. But from an ENTP's perspective, it's definitely not like that. We question things a lot, and often take the opposing viewpoint, but it's more of trying to understand your perspective than outright arguing/fighting with you.
Yea no thanks from an intj-a. uncertainty is the lack of enough research being done or the mental capacity to make the right judgment for yourself. you don't need to be right, but standing still is as bad as moving in the wrong direction.
A revulsion at certainty... I feel like someone called for an intervention during a revival meeting.
woooo baby let the 'I AM THIS' marathon begin
Liked ”true, for now…” quote.
woah, this blew my mind, can you elaborate more on never belonging anymore?
Surprised that no one answered to "uncertainty and neutrality" with "I don't know and I don't care"
Perhaps the people who didn't reply were saying that... ~ Nathan
I tend to believe ENTPs are able to accept cognitive dissonance on a scale that makes us sophists at times.
Funnily enough, Sokrates (ENTP) went after "Sophists" as much as Plato (INFJ) could only grasp him in answers like "yes, Sokrates, of course Sokrates, seems plausible Sokrates, you could say that Sokrates", etc. pp.
It's fully developed and embraced Fe that will give the ENTP the ability to actually be of use instead of damnation in eternal sophistry
Uncertainty is authenticity.
I, for one, crave authenticity.
As an ENTP, and given my background, I say I am not an Orthodox Jew, I am a Paradox Jew.
Is it possible for an INTP to do this as well? I'm a bit more hesitant to do this now that I've developed my Fe more, but sometimes I just find it very tempting to start a debate for no reason whatsoever other than to challenge a viewpoint. The dinner table can get heated sometimes because of me.
I feel like crying cuz someone understands
Contradictions that most have to talk out are an entps common sense.
As an icon of ENTP these videos crack me up.
Seriously, where do you have the cameras and surveillance you have on me? 😈😉
ENTP's can come off as very capricious and spineless at times in my opinion.
I will say that my anti-religion stance is among other things, also because most religious texts are 2,000 years old and are not living documents, but fixed ideas from a pre-science past of fear and superstition….
“ENTPs in the wild”😂
(sigh) I have to say something. I keep seeing people referring to ENTPs as "devil's advocates" and the term is always used wrong. Seeing both sides of a situation is not being a devil's advocate. The devil's advocate is the person who is assigned to argue for the devil since he is not there arguing for himself. It was an actual practice of, probably, the Catholics. It's been a while since I looked it up and had to know it. But, it was literally assuming that just because something is Biblically moral doesn't mean it can't be proven to be a worse idea than something else that Satan would offer as an alternative. So, before making a decision on some matter of great import they would have one person argue for the side of Jesus and the way he thought things should be done and the other argue for the side of Satan and the way he thought things should be done. Then, they would do the one that seemed most prudent or find a common ground between them. Which is exactly the sort of thing the Bible tells one not to do. I mean, if that's not becoming unevenly yoked with an unbeliever ...
ENTPs see both sides. They can argue both sides. They do not argue for evil to reign on earth in the guise of good, necessarily. I certainly don't! I would never play devil's advocate. I would, however, play "What would my friend want that I don't and who would win and why." And, I have successfully talked myself out of the evening I thought I would most enjoy, as a result of that sort of argument. But, it was never to further the goal of evil.
yeah, i tend to dislike people who think their opinion is truth. Not because it's a proof of stupidity or dogmatism, but because when they do that, they exclude everybody who doesn't think the same and have the same right to think they are right. This and the lack of humility it shows. But, again it's really the proof - IN THE END - of contempt. I just don't like people who thinks they are better than others. EVEN if i do agree with them, i will try to destroy their argument by taking the opposite point of view and beating myself, just to teach them some humility and that every "truth" they thought they had is just an opinion.
EDIT : On top of that, nothing is more fun than sparring and winning against someone you dislike and doesn't understand what you are trying to do.
Bonus point if that's in public.
Double bonus point if the other guy begins to anger and becomes agressive.
Lol i have had people try to kill me over this, no exaggeration
ENTP: We do a little trolling
I[m an ENTP and yes, you are right on on all points. And, ours is not an easy lot in these days of political correctness. These are such a goad for a put-down reply but one has to be careful because the politically correct have the upper hand, after all they are morally and intellectually superior holding opinions of the majority.
Conformity really, really bugs me. To me it means the person is a coward or too darn lazy to think for him/her self. In my rather large circle of friends (an ethnic community) people seem to have a grudging respect for me because I'm not afraid to speak out on issues but they don't want me in their social clubs like the Book Club. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be in that club because of the stereo-typical, predictable and obvious conclusions that they will be reaching and discussing and feeling so proud about. Humanity is a big disappointment - lazy and cowardly. But I do have a few intelligent friends, mostly older people or a few from Europe where it seems they are not so brainwashed and are not afraid of using their brains for a discussion or debate. Debating by the way, seems to be a lost art. In school, many decades ago, you would debate one side of an issue, then the next day have to debate the other side. Grades were given for the strength of arguments. Today, no one debates no one analyses anything. No one wants originality. Conformity is in, so creativity is dead. Sad state of affairs, and it's getting worse.
Country?
Completely describe Peter the great.
Now i am more confused 😂 i have these traits but i also have the traits of an enfp i am losing my mind 😂 😂
As an ENTP, I've realized that ENTP has knowledge but lacks "WISDOM". We are intelligent, clever, witty , social and usually what we say Sounds very logical BUT we say this at the wrong time in wrong scenarious causing outrageous reaction from others. We dont stick to one idea and jump across both side of the coin causing many SENSORS to be confused about what does he actually stand for.
Wait until you are an older ENTP and you won't waste your energy interacting in non-constructive situations.
ENTP is neutral only because they analyse both sides of things,not because we dont have opinions and trust me we are neutral for your benifit not to hurt you because we see everything.
Did you misplace your fuzzy cardie? 🙃
Strong opinion can be and should be debunked by strong arguments.
Science is a process not an end state (ENTP here)
This is the theory…but I repeatedly find ENTPs to be more conformist than expected, (third place Fe?) and more certain than expected (they draw hasty conclusions.) Observations of an INTP
Ahh we are so Tao.
That's a good way to put it actually! ~ Nathan
CAN U HELP ME ? PLZ
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Intj- ENTP shadower here..🤣😁🤩🤭😏🤪
Truth is just something we all agree upon, within some context. When it comes to truths, only the agreement part matters. God is true. Allah is true. Buddha is true.
- me, an entp
I’m an entp woman it suck’s
I have often wondered how the different sexes deal with similar situations related to their types. Feel free to join the LoveWho Discord server, I tend to pick the brains of various types on there (the conclusions of which turn up in videos like this one) ~ Nathan
I hate generic quotes (just like a certainty in ideas) exactly because they try to establish themselevs as wisdom and reality is far more complicated than them...
Certainty is so confusing. Ppl just pick random opinions based on how comfortable they are with them and then just pretend it's the truth and when you point out to them how their truth is in fact just an opinion they get mad. What are we supposed to do? Just play along and act like mercury retrograde, lizard humans and gods are hard facts? What's so enraging about a "maybe"?
can you do ISFJ next pwease UWU.
As an ENTP, wasting time opening about the shirt already puts me off the video.
Bruh I did not saw the ping of the discord poll :(
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Although I don't mind ENTPs, that absolute neutrality, and treating the information from both sides as equal can be their biggest downfall -- especially when combined with a tendency towards contrarianism. I think ENTPs could learn a practical lesson from some more "F-type" emotional reasoning, where some people's points of view really shouldn't be considered, or given air time. If that notion offends you, then let me reframe it into something more "T" friendly.
At least going from my own observations, it seems ENTPs place far too much trust in internal logic (Ti) without taking the time to verify the reliability of those data points (Te). (And whether or not something is "morally correct" (Fi) seems to be either completely alien or even repugnant in itself!) I find ENTPs want to move too quickly, where if the logic seems to check out, then they'll happily start making that argument, or adopting that behaviour, often in the public sphere. This ENTP Devil's Advocate approach can often result in... well... advocating for the Devil!
T types may look down on F types' inclination to pay more attention to _who_ is conveying a piece of information, and how that person's character seems, but very often that will act as a folk-wisdom shortcut to picking trusted sources. When followed through to completion, this path leads to Te-style reliable data.
This is so unbelievably true. I’ve been in ENTP-heavy circles and they’re not as neutral as they like to think they are, especially not as you said when they take devils advocate all the time purely because they want to. It’s not being nonpartisan, it’s being provocative, and it causes many fallouts and upset people when unchecked… which seems to be most of the time.
I don’t get why it’s so rare for ENTPs (based on both experience and online descriptions, including this one) to value social harmony with Fe 3rd in their stack, as an INTP I feel more commonground with IxFx types despite having Fe inferior because I’ve made an effort to develop it… maybe it’s to do with them having Si inferior and the constant lack of care for deciding on something, to the point of disrespecting when others want to?
@@veritasvanburen_ Yep. What you said. I'm an INTJ, with an INTP twin brother and an ENTP older brother. My INTP twin is kind of guilty of the same thing.... to a certain extent... but it doesn't take him too long to come back out of that both-sides/devil's-advocate and settle back into his moral and logical internal frameworks, he just needs a bit of a Te grounding sometimes.
Regarding a particularly large world event -- which I don't want to get into -- he expressed concern over our older brother because, 'he has a pattern of siding with the enemy'. I think he sees patterns too easily (anything happening twice is a pattern for him!), but I think it's probably a good accusation to throw at ENTPs' dark side in general.
But I don't want to poop on ENTPs in general. I like any ENTP with a well established moral compass. Which probably comes from good parents.
I really hate being the "ENTP representative" , but your argument was interestingly put together and there aren't ENTPs responding to it so i'll just give my two cents. First, although this isn't something i would normally admit during an argument, i don't care about morals at all when i'm arguing. When i argue about something i get entertained and some times, as the argument progresses i even feel as if i have unlocked a new "position" i've never experienced before, this last element i feel like it's the fuel behind our personality. We're selfish debaters with a hidden agenda that's only known to us, if you wanna see it that way. Both sides of the spectrum can help us get there but the "boldest" side will usually give us better or faster results, and this is why we're perceived as "neutral" with a tendency towards the "negative side". Truth is sides/morals don't really matter when there's a disconnect like that, we're not invested in the cause or motivation behind someone's point or our point, it's all just stepping stones, we're looking for something and the other person doesn't know about it.
I possess my own moral compass just like anyone else, maybe a little more flexible or gray than the average, but when arguments are a game and a means to something else completely, morals don't really have any weight, a lot of times i contradict my own morals when i'm playing with a point, just like you can kill someone in a videogame and not feel bad about it.
@@tendrillion3580 That's terrifying.
@@tendrillion3580 I'm INTJ by the way, if you're trying to work out the perspective behind the post.
ISTP here, if someone speaks with absolute certainty about a subject I will wrack my brain to find a crack in their argument, just because it's fun to watch their frustration 😂😂.
Day one for asking for 16 types as jjba stands (yes I’m trying to make it a daily thing until I get it).
ENTP who is a young earth creationist debater 👋😅
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