Cheap vs. Expensive Wavetable Synths: Korg Modwave vs. Waldorf M | Can You Hear a Difference?
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- We're talking about a price differential of about 3 times between the Korg Modwave and the Waldorf M. For a digital wavetable synthesizer, what can possibly justify that huge difference? Take a listen to Zach's thoughts and demos on both of these awesome options and let us know what you think.
SHOP MODWAVE: www.alamomusic.com/korg-modwa...
SHOP M: www.alamomusic.com/waldorf-m-...
0:00 Intro/Specs
7:28 Comparison Demos
26:08 Final Thoughts
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The way the modwave uses the simulated ball to modulate sounds is incredibly clever.
I love the Waldorf M sound, but this just makes me want a Korg Modwave even more. Solid video.
😊
The Waldorf name is like the BMW of synths.
Always excited when your vids pop up ⬆️ 👍
Very good analysis, Zach. One element missing from your comparison is the wife factor. I can talk my wife into buying an $850 synth. Not so much with a $2500 tabletop module. All kidding aside, I understand your point about the distinctive character of the M. But I think most of us can get by with the Modwave shortcomings and add some VST effects to make it even more interesting.
your comment at the end that the M has a "living, breathing sound" is correct. It sounds even better in person and through a PA. but it's dynamic range is massive so you have to be careful. The Modwave seems fun to play, and sounds better than I expected
I wanted something different to contrast my Waldorf Blofelds, so I picked a Modwave.
The Mod Matrix is quite extensive on the Modwave, and even though I know the Blofeld's matrix inside-out both synths offer something in the wavetable arena.
You get some intersecting timbres by loading in the 2 Echos (for example) wavetable to both, as they each interpret the sweeps and timbrality in different ways.
Generally I run both synths in filter bypass mode and use recursive modulation to modulate the amplitude, pitch, and wavetable position.
The Modwave's secret weapon is WaveEdit software for truly unique timbral shifts, or take a pre-existing PPG wave and mangle to taste.
The Modwave has a midtone sheen, even with the filters disabled.
The Motion sequencer, once I watched Oscillator Sink's excellent tutorials has opened up a world of exploration of sound.
As I can't delete the preset performances, I can ignore them by simply routing my own stuff to Categories such as Mark, Mark FX, etc.
The presets on the Modwave, IMO, rely too heavily on the effects, and I like to write mine with these disabled (although I will use the compressor from time to time).
Like any synth, you have to dedicate yourself to programming (if that is your thing). Dismissing and returning over a weekend is a lack of dedication in my books.
I am saving up for a nice analogue poly, so I could not avail myself of the M, which would have a timbrality of its own.
I love how when this guy demos synths he plays these emotional sounding pieces that really hook the listener on deeper level than just a simple sound test.
Thank you! ☺️ I try and get into it when demoing…thanks for the kind comment.
Exactly the reason why I'm subscribed
I thought that the review was good except for a glaring missing detail:
Korg has software that you can download for the modwave that gives you extensive editing - including loading your own wavetables and samples into the modwave - as well as patch management.
I agree that the M is great; has that sound with analog VCA’s and VCF’s - I’d own one if I had the $$$ - but the modwave is orders of magnitude more powerful, flexible, and featured
Great review:)! Thank you!!!
I'd love the Waldorf M. It costs more because you get analog filters, an analog VCA and the rich history of the people that actually developed the wavetable sound. If you have the money it's worth it. I wish I had the money 😢
I always appreciate the honesty Zack, you're more of an enthusiast than a salesman in my opinion, that's a great characteristic to have - never lose that! I can explain a bit about the Modwave (and the Wavestate too) - it's Raspberry PI based! (Yes, would you believe it - there's actually a bog standard vanilla Raspberry pi Compute Module 3 inside of it), it's a fairly powerful microprocessor with a ton of features embedded in it, and embedded is the key here - because KORG R&D has developed a specialized operating system (Linux embedded afaik) and specialized their VST for that real time environment. Now - using that to create a synth with is a good idea - especially from a price standpoint, because the less specialized and the more common the hardware is - the cheaper it becomes to mass produce, so the price point is relatively low. But if you look at the PARTS used (I happen to know the hardware, the OLED module that cost like 10$, the Raspberry PI compute 3 module that cost around 40$ etc.) and the rest is just an I/O Matrix to read all the knobs and buttons, light up the buttons with PWM control etc. And the hardware is probably worth in the region of 200 bucks or so (I'm being really kind here). But the price you pay for it is in the RESEARCH itself - the time it took to develop the software, the features, the sound collections (which is based on a lot of voluntary work by a lot of musicians btw.) And to boot - you can even add your own sounds.
I don't know the hardware of the Waldorf, I've never been into the Waldorf cliché or universe - too pricey for me, and too niché. So I know nothing of the interior hardware. Opsix and Wavestate can also be had as a Plug-IN for your favourite DAW (Korg just released these a few months ago, for a reasonable price) You can have them for 50 bucks each if you own the hardware synths, but about 149$ per plug in if you don't, still pretty reasonable considering the work that has gone into creating those beasts. Modwave has of yet to be released as a DAW VST (Thanks @Gianluca Marchese for the heads up).
You will see a lot of these in the future, a lot of new synths on the market are just that - a little "all-in-one" chip with all the needed stuff to make any synth you want, customized with a custom case and a keyboard - bundled together to resemble a synth from the 80s on steroids (since we can do so much more on these now). Instead of specialized hardware chips for each synth. Hope that explains a few things.
I agree! So many people complain about the price of synths based on nothing more than the price of multi-million selling TVs from Best Buy and/or confusing the cost of the components with the value of a product. Even the multi-thousand dollar synths are amazing value compared to the past. Hmm, a house or a Fairlight? 🤔
I'd love to agree with you, but Modwave is the only one of the three Korg digital synths that wasn't released as a VST.
Only Opsix and Wavestate were, probably next year Modwave will receive the same treatment.
@@gianlucamarchese You're right - I completely missed that Modwave wasn't released as a DAW VST yet. My text has been corrected, thanks for the heads up!
"KORG R&D has developed a specialized operating system (Linux embedded afaik) and specialized their VST for that real time environment"
Worked for the Oaysys! :p
Ya I'm going to buy the M. It sounds soooooooo good.
... and I bought the M 😂
@@supercompooper
Good for you 👍... Any buyer's remorse???
The Waldorf M has a single purpose: to faithfully reproduce the Microwave I, a highly sought after synthesizer with 8-bit wavetables pushed through analog filters, but to do so with a knobby interface reminscient of the (fully digital and also highly sought after) Microwave XT Shadow. And it does that flawlessly. In recent firwmware updates the M also provides some digital filters of the Microwave II/XT; and it has a higher-resolution mode available too, but these are just fun extras. This precise replication is what makes the M costly. The Korg ModWave is little more than a DSP-based wavetable synthesizer: it would make much more sense to compare it to the Blofeld than to the M.
Modwave and M side by side makes the korg sound like an imitation
@Sean Luke Exactly
No. If so, they would have chosen filters close to the sound of the original (Personally, I think the REV A filters sound best). It's a re-imagination.
@@marcusfreeweb They absolutely worked to choose filters close to the original. Now you are free to claim that they did a bad job, but the M is explicitly intended to closely match the Microwave (I'm not certain if Rev A or B, likely A). That was the design goal of the machine.
@@seanluke3052 Maybe for marketing? I don't think it is very close. Still sounds good as it is. But no replacement. I sold a MW I twice, stupid me.
This is exactly the video I wanted to see someone do. You have a knack for doing really interesting videos! The Modwave looks so good but complicated........I am still waiting for that Quasmidi Sirius review from you as well ! :D I will enjoy this video thank you.
The M also loads PCM samples to layer with your wavetable. The whole ppg waveterm library is a 10mb download or roll your OWN.
@@Leviathan-mj8gi the Korg is feature packed!
Side by side they sound different.
Thanks Zack, I have not known much about the M and you really make it shine. It seems closer to a Hydrasynth than a Modwave to me. But it DOES have a unique character as you describe. I have been looking for a digital synth to replace my old FIZMO and the M has a lot of that character.
I know it should be all about the sound, but The Modwave just looks more interesting to mess with then the Waldorf.
The M is one of the best instruments for Film Scoring that I have seen in a looooong time. I own 2 of them that's how much use they get. There is a 1980s Vibe coming out of it that is unmatched by any other instrument.
I have an Iridium Keyboard and already I can hear the difference and similarities of the M... I think you just have to love that classic PPG sound and nothing else will do.. I'm sure the Modwave is great but it just sounds like a lot of other things. if the M was in keyboard format with effects I might be tempted but for now I am happy with the Iridium.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Modwave. It's a great synth. However, an M it is not. Too much to get into here in the comments section, but there are very good reasons to go for the M.
Now this is Panda, (ModWave) from Mexico. Very good stuff.
And that's Bava, (Hydra) -- different, but equally good.
And that is Choco. (M) From the Hartz Mountains of Germany. This one? It's a fuckin' madman.
You Sir, must be German. Because none of it made any sense 😂😉
I actually like the Modwave presentation very much.
I bought the MicroFreak to experiment. I'm not a fan of typical wavetable sounds so I'm trying to see what the technology can do for me by creating my own tables (if it doesn't work out I've still got a great little synth). I did the same thing with FM back in the day.
You probably don't even realize but that MF acts as a PAT keybed for other gear, if you have gear that responds to PAT, try it out.
@@dankeplace thanks, excuse my ignorance but what is PAT?
@@unclemick-synths Polyphonic After Touch.
If any of your other synths respond to this, you now have an ability to use the MF to play PAT with this function.
Most Sequential gear responds to PAT (poly synths not monos)
@@dankeplace Ah, yes. I thought you meant something to do with wavetables. I like the MF keyboard - it gives a different way to interact with synths.
Having played both side by side and and bought the M - they sound very different. Either you care for the sound or you don't.
The M has the microwave 2 filters too now and FOUR parts with FOUR stereo outputs
You know who doesn't care ? Listeners, when you actually publish music. Mixed in with other tracks and effects you'd never tell which one i used.
For toying at home and ear candies, sure why not splurge 2000bucks.
@@jimmypierson1980 yeah I'd agree to an extent - listeners don't care. Do you care though? I mean why even bother with high resolution audio when listeners don't care? Just keep listening to MP3's, punters can't tell the difference.
I only listen to floppy disk releases at ultra low bitrate because it sounds right to me. No one can tell in the mix, after all.
@@jimmypierson1980 Unnecessarily rude
I got the Argon8X. Similarly priced as the Modwave, gorgeous sounds and a lot better build quality.
The M definitely has more sonic character. Very unique.
My gues is ‘only’ Germanium transistors. (+ € 200?)
The M is probably the best sounding synth I've ever owned - 11:44 and 12:22 that's just eargasm. Having said that, I'm having a lot of fun with my Opsix. That synth is insane.
Good Lord, the M in the Waldorf must be for Marvellous !
I have both of them and they serve a similar end goal but with different techniques, perspectives and more importantly "timbres".
I even loaded the Microwave wavetables inside Modwave to make some comparisons in order to understand if I really needed to keep M in my small home studio (space is tight), and despite getting similar results in some cases... The analog filters on Waldorf M are the most liquid and lush filters I ever heard, and the analog VCA provide such a great sense of space/width and front to back depth.
I'd love to swap one out for the sake of space, but M nails such a 90s childhood nostalgic specific niche sound that I can't let it go, unless I swap it for a Microwave 2/XT, but since that will not happen... Happy me.
(P.S. Will soon order an Iridium, I need help... At least I make music with these tools, lol).
Great job Zack!
My MC707 can assign iPad to one channel or the master, so i have Wavetable, FM and virtual eurorack as part of my MC707 via iPad, super slick...
I have no doubt that by importing the PPG wavetables and with careful programming you could get the Korg to 90%+ the sound of the Waldorf.
The presets on the Korg are very 'modern'-ish sounding and a big part of why people say it sounds like a VST.
The PPG Wave used SSM filter chips, the same type used in the Korg Polysix. Korg digital synths have an excellent Polysix filter option.
Having said all that, the Waldorf is lovely 😍... But no onboard FX? 🙄
Just have a look at Ian Dixons videos, the (unfortunately too unknown) Modwave zen master: ua-cam.com/video/J_poQaAPt54/v-deo.htmlsi=CpRv1gBeAYs_XFXw
How long will the internal electronics last, till it needs to be repaired (or substituted)?
In your demo i would say the m has more body it sounds more natural. the modwave is a bit thinner if it goes bold it brings not the fundament of the m. but in the mid/hi area it sounds very nice and ambient ready. the m goes from where the mw2xt ended i would say. Both are very usable for their strengths.
Prices went up. Got my MW for 660 last year.
The price difference is smaller in Europe. Better materials, 5x the amount of DA converters.
I don’t why Waldorf charge so much more in North America, but it definitely makes their products less desirable in that market.
It's exactly same 3x more in UK
Modwave £500, Waldorf M £1500
A much better comparison to the Waldorf M would be the UDO Super 6 desktop with similar build quality and the same analog filter. I bought a Super 6 keyboard version and really liked the sound and hands on control of it but I returned it and got an M instead. The Super 6 has its focus on subtractive synthesis with the addition of wavetables, which is basically the other way around in the M. The binaural sound of the Super 6 was nice but not quite as flexible as I had hoped and I was missing multi (or at least duo-) timbrality and a display for better control over complex patches. With all the digital filter models from the XT that they added I think the M is a better value for money synth.
S6 has no wavetables, you're using DDS to create the waveforms, not scanning the wavetables.
The M and S6 are 2 entirely different synths.
@@dankeplace One of the key factors for the sound of these two synths undoubtably is the (great sounding) analog filter which is exactly the same in these two. The S6 and the M both allow for loading custom waveforms. I thought I'd read somewhere that combining these to wavetables has already been implemented in an upgrade for the S6 but maybe this has only been announced so far or I could be entirely wrong, if that's the case I apologize. But since the M can of course also be used as a subtractive synthesizer with the same analog filter, the comparison between these two still makes a lot more sense to me than holding the M against the (all digital and therefore much cheaper) Modwave giving the impression of it being overpriced.
@@LousyFacelift You don't need to apologize, DSS is how they're able to implement the Binaural mode.
Without it you would get drift and ruin any ability to have positioning which is the strength of the Super 6.
They may share the same filter but the synths themselves are polar opposites in what they can do or offer.
You got the synth you were looking/hearing for so that is all that matters in the end.
UDO = waveform, M = wavetable.
@@dankeplace Well yes, if you focus on the binaural sound of the S6 and if that is the reason why you like it, then of course it makes no sense comparing it to the M. I was curious to try out the S6 which I did and really did like it but not enough especially for that feature alone. So then a friend suggested the M to me and I found enough of what I really liked about the S6's raw sound in the M (along with many other things). You have to look for it but it's there, so in my personal view I really don't consider these two polar opposites. It is no problem using a wavetable synth in a more "subtractive way". They are both amazing sounding synths with different priorities but also enough similarities, at least for me.
idk Hydrasynth desktop would've been a good vs also
HS is a very average synth, unless you know what you're looking for, it can be a very cold and sterile experience.
I had the desktop and much preferred my Blofeld.
@@dankeplace i have both and i think your wrong, i love my Blofeld but I think there's something missing in its frequency spectrum which can only be fixed by an external reverb. the HS can sound very analog as well as digital which you can't say for the Blofeld
@@X-101 No I can say the Blofeld can sound both analog and digital, I had a HS and it was terrible at doing anything remotely close to analog.
Blofeld is a chameleon and does both pretty well.
@@dankeplace clearly you don't know how to program synths and just use presets.... maybe you should've looked at the analog feel section.... HS also has better filters and fx and isn't buggy as hell, I cleared all my presets on the blofeld and made over 200 sounds on it so i know what it can and can't do well
@@X-101 Yeah yeah sure, if you think so.
Korg is the distributor for Waldorf in North America and the markup is significant
You should have borrowed my Blofeld!!!
Blofeld is an amazing synth, they need V2 with some actual surface controls.
I want a Modwave.
I noticed there is a MemoryMoog there in the background of the video!
Dude you make it so complicated, but the M has analog filters accounting for a lot of the price and sound obviously
It may lack character, but not 3x as much lol. I dunno, the price of synths can sometimes be out of hand.
Also the build qulity is different.. but yet doesn't justify the price
Hmm... well, in a way the M is to Waldorf (and PPG) what the OB-X8 is to Oberheim. It's a modern "best of the classics" hybrid synth with analog VCA and filter (modern version of the SSM 2044, same as in the UDO Super 6), along with all the digital filter models of the Microwave XT. It has a hifi- and an 8 bit lofi mode. So when compared to other hybrids like the Super 6 or the Novation Peak it doesn't seem a lot more expensive, especially considering its four part multitimbrality.
The Waldorf M is a premium product designed to meet the needs of professionals. The Korg Modwave is most certainly not. The Waldorf M is steel. It’s weighs nearly double the plastic-laden Modwave, and it doesn’t even have a keyboard. It has analog circuitry including a VCF and VCA per voice, and likely more VCAs for panning and summing of the voices. And I believe additional VCAs are required for programmability of the analog circuitry. It’s 4-part multi-timbral and has 6 outputs as opposed to the Modwave’s 2. The M has MIDI in, out and thru and the Modwave does not. These features may not be important to a bedroom hobbyist, but for a professional in the studio, or on tour, these differences matter and ultimately add to the final cost. And lastly, Korg is the distributor for Waldorf in North America and have added a hefty ‘middleman premium’.
@@Mike-nb8ot That's why I bought mine from a German music store. No Korg markup. Makes the M way more affordable.
@@Mike-nb8ot God what a rigid gatekeepy comment.
As a "professional", i've seen countless cheaper synths passing through our studios. Synths just don't matter to the consumer/listener... they would never hear the difference even if it came from a vsti.
The irony is that i could pick a good number of mainstream artists and assure you that most of their productions come from people that i would still qualify as "bedroom producers" since they write with their own modest gear (often mostly vsts and vstis even) from home or writing camps. Expense goes into mixing/mastering, consulting...
Our expensive synths end up being used as backing synths if needed but rarely much more than that.
I understand wanting a good synth for ear pleasure, but don't bother rationalizing spending that much money because "it is what professionals use and need". It just isn't in our day and age.
The difference is clear. The Modwave sounds better, and for 1/3 the price.
The difference is not clear at all. There are no PPG or Microwave related sound examples but that's exactly what the M specializes in. The M is a hybrid synth with analog VCA and the same analog filter found in the UDO Super 6. You could say the M is to Waldorf and PPG what the OB-X8 is to Oberheim. It's a modern "all in one box" version of their classic synth models and as such I consider it very reasonably priced. You don't hear too many complaints about the price of the UDO Super 6 or the Novation Peak even though they are not designed to capture the character of certain classics which is always a lot more costly.
@@LousyFacelift The Modwave is probably too different from the Walforf M to make a good comparison, but to me it sounds a lot more interesting.
@@dissidentechoes3752 Fair enough...
Clear! And I was wondering if "stereo tremolo" was the only fx available on the waldorf 😂
@@dissidentechoes3752 True. I liked the Modwave too.
ModWave wins the day, anytime for me!
Watching on my phone: it seems that the Modwave has less presence than the M..?
Too much talk, but the truth is that the modwave's sound is much more exciting and usable. We are talking about synthesizers with "terrible" digital sound generation. The one that is very digital is better, it doesn't have to sound analog. And Korg can manufacture a good D/A converter...
Waldorf M's character: a tons of boring sounds, sorry. Just listen generic/random Modwave sound demo's, they are not boring. Like this: ua-cam.com/video/DE9Byy098oo/v-deo.html
Like this: ua-cam.com/video/fHnkl6dSmgs/v-deo.html
How about just own a original
Krog Wavestation EX 🎹
I own one. Subscribed ☑️
Korg make amazing gear, I have a few Krogs lying around.
@@dankeplace Krag and Kreg like this :)
Tommen has an open Box Waldorf m for 1350
If only the Modwave had a rack / keyboard-less version I’d pick it up right away. I just don’t have room on my desk for it’s size. I’d also prefer to use it with my CME Xkey controller keyboard. I don’t want or need cheap low quality clacky keys which the Modwave has. I’m not sure Korg will ever release a desktop version as the keyboard version has already been discontinued.
you can buy a desktop converion kit or just saw the keyboard off, which i did and its much better
I'm a genie from the near future...wHiSh GrAnTeD!
@@BendApparatus Noice!!! 👏
Ironically, Korg distribute Waldorf in the USA. Hence yanks getting shafted on the price compared to Europe.
Yes. Awkward! 😂
FYI-calling Americans “yanks” is pretty insulting for most of the country. Yankee refers to the Dutch colony in New Amsterdam/New York, but also sometimes refers to the New England area. Obviously, most of the country is outside of that small area, and there are pretty stark cultural differences depending on what part of the country you are in.
My guy Zach in San Antonio, Texas, which is about as far away from New York culturally as England is to Germany, probably more so (greater distance geographically as well).
I wouldn’t call a German guy a “bloke” or a British guy a “kraut”, for instance. Maybe not an exact analogy, but you get my point.
Also, not a huge deal, just pointing it out because I’ve seen this over and over again in comments like this.
@@79Glitch Coming from the world's biggest Yanker.
@@dankeplace You referring to yourself?
I wish these videos had more intermingling of talking and playing. When discussing the differences in the sound, I’d love to hear very specific audio examples in context. Thanks!
There are free vst wavetable synthesizers that have huge character and even more capable than the Waldorf M1. But wrap it all up in a blue case, stick Nike, excuse me, Waldorf, on it and charge 2000+. Is it worth it? It’s not a matter of opinion - it can actually be a quantifiable objective call. And the answer is no.
I conducted a blind test to challenge myself. The ones I thought were M1 because of “character” often turned out to be the Modwave. The vst is on sale right now for 99.99. That’s worth it!
I tried several of those current Korgs and the build quality is just too crappy for me to get any enjoyment out of any of them. All the Korgs tend to have more of a cheesy sound to them as well (although not as bad as Roland). I couldn't justify paying $2500 for the M but the thing is, if you actually take the time to shop around you can get a Waldorf Quantum for only $3000. At least that's what I paid for a brand new one. The Quantum is absolutely worth the price. One of the greatest synths ever made in my opinion. If you don't want to spend that much money you can get a Hydrasynth Deluxe for only $1500. It's a very different synth but it absolutely kills any Korg and is another synth that I would put on my top 10 synths ever made.
Cheesy? A sawtooth is a sawtooth 😁
@@SHLDMusic Not really. I've owned well over 100 synths and there are most definitely synths that sound more cheesy than others. VA synths and Roland's current VST in a plastic box BS are the most cheesy "analog" style synths. Real analog that depends on drowning their patches in built in effects are probably next up. If you have to drown a synth is effects it's probably because it doesn't sound all that great to begin with.
i disagree, i had a quantum , and now have the modwave.. much better FX, filters and doesnt choke when you play a chord..or have the screen fall in etc..
@@dbefore7165 zero problems with my Quantum and the new firmware just added so much cool stuff. That Korg did nothing for me.
Once a synth goes over 1000, everyone says its too expensive, and tries to justify getting a cheap mass produced synth. To me, the modwave is nowhere near the sound of the M.
Apples 🍎 & bananas 🍌 Korg Modwave is for tweakers Waldorf is for lookers 👀
Over the last two years, I've been more obsessed with wavetable synthesis than any other type. I have about half a dozen wavetable synths.
"One dimensional" is a perfect description of the Modwave. By far the most disappointing wavetable synth I've owned. For all the cool things it has going for it - heaps of LFOs and envelopes, both covering an unusual range of super slow/long parameters, it's timbrally boring. I'd describe it as ceaselessly bright and buzzy, and that's ridiculous given how many wavetables it has. Korg has also dragged their feet on fixing really glaring problems; the immediate note cutoff (instead of following amp envelope) after leaving Hold mode is the nastiest IMO.
I don't have a Waldorf M. I have a Blofeld, and its much newer and more versatile grandchild, the Iridium. I think the M is a cool nod to the past, but it's a narrow slice of Waldorfian greatness for the price tag. The Iridium covers substantially more synthesis ground for about the same price, and I think the only thing it's missing is the ridiculously slow arp / sequencer capabilities of the Blofeld. For that, it has far better built-in effects.
@@artisans8521 "Software is better" is a pretty common argument. I get it. For those of us chained to a computer all day for professional purposes, having a different interface, different tactile experience, or even the limitations of specific gear can be significant, if not a source of inspiration.
How do you find the Iridium sound? From demos I've heard most of these new wavetable synths sound a bit dry and VST like unlike the older ones. I'm tempted to get a Modwave as it seems like a nice hands on hardware version of serum but your comment about one dimensionality has put me off a bit. Also tempted by Iridium but I somewhat imagine it will be more complex to dig in to and less immediate.
I go with ios nave app
Waldorf sounds like yamaha cs1x
😅
Cmon. If you want the Mod Wave to sound as in your face as the Waldorf just listen without the reverb and delay effects. It´s not so hard. Waldorf sounds so oldy.
Please don't use the word cheap when referring to complex inexpensive synthesizers because it gives the false impression that the synth is a toy, which the Modwave is far from and is professional gear. Use words such as "inexpensive" instead.
Come on now! If you've been around synthesizers for decades, you should know the only reason the Waldorf M cost 3x more than the Modwave is because of its name brand. That's it! Simple and plain. Waldorf is known to overprice its synths such as the quantum, both iridiums, and the M. All "thin man in a trash can" synths or VSTs in a box, but as for the quantum, a VST in a box with a shitty sounding analog filter. I've never bought a Waldorf synth and never will as long as they continue to price gorge. Pathetic!
They are a small company. Like any business of that size their margins are less than you think. Not that it matters. No-one is forcing you to buy it
The thing with wave tables is I feel like cheating because someone else has already synthesised the waves (and their order) comprised in the wavetables
kinda like not using an electric guitar cause someone else uses one
wait until you hear of sampling
@@jimmypierson1980 Triangle waves? Saw? Never.
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The Waldorf is not $1300 better than the Modwave. It is slightly better though.
It's better.
Modwave sounds like a vst
Right, waiting for their VST release if ever they make one. You won't hear any difference at all. As it is basically a digital plugin in a box. I tried it at Just music in Berlin, along with all new Korg Synths made into this format. The quality is very cheap. You are paying for a MIDI controller attached to a Plugin. I have nothing against plugins I love them, but why paying the extra $/€ plastic boxes with so badly made manufacturing?
I will go for the vitrual VST version when available.
99% of modern digital synths are vsts in a box
The best part is that Korg owns Waldorf.
Modwave sounds better to my ears. 🤷🏻♂️
And why not? Maybe you like more drawn together voices with less seperation and gnarlyness. Maybe you also like the sound more on one line instead of spread out in multiple dimensions, what the M does in a great way.
For me, in terms of audio quality, the M wears a crown. The comparison of the pure sound quality (not its sound design options) is basically a no go for the Modwave. But in terms of interesting sculpting options and how big the ground for experimentation is, the Modwave wins all the way. ❤
M = personality, character winner, but boring.
MW = Versatility and modulation winner, but low audio quality.
the modwave has better effects
Not difficult.. one has analogue filters and vca’s.
one is a generic mass-market product and the other is a niche boutique product made is small numbers based on a rich heritage should be obvious to you
Too much run on sentences...
I think what needs reprogramming is your ears (for sound) Brain (for ultimate value) and lastly, skills to know how to actually use the ModWave instead of just twiddling knobs 😐
TRY DIODOw AND Tranzistow From HrastProgrammer and see and HEAR what I meant.... Guys !