The books were published with the KJV up until the eighteenth century. Readings from these books are in the cycle of readings for Morning and Evening Prayer for the Church of England
I purchased a King James Bible printed in 1791. I wanted to have proof that the Protestant Bible had the 7 deuterocanonical books. Every time I share this with protestants they are silent and don’t know what to say. So scholars will tell you that most of the New Testament when quoting the Old Testament is directly from the Septuagint which contained 46 books, just as the Catholic cannon. Btw, big surprise! Jews that believed that Jesus was the messiah started the Holy Apostolic and Universal (Catholic) church. Just as he told his apostles in the Bible! And No, he was not speaking to you born 2000 years later to be preaching your novel feelings out in your metal barn. You have no Teaching authority. Definitely to line of succession going back to Jesus and his apostles. Btw notice how Jesus commanded them to make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Which One and only Church did that? Which one is literally in every country and province all over the world?
Thank you Fr Mike for your words today 🙏🏻🕊✝️🕊🙏🏻 The study of the Bible and the reasons why different Christian groups recognize different “books” and writers is very interesting 🙏🏻
That was very informative, thank you🤗 I have read and highly recommend reading those extra seven books. They are very rich and have given me instruction and answers to prayer. I praise God for His word. 💖
Our Lord taught from the deuterocanonical Book of Tobit . This book [4:15-17] contains a negative form of the Golden Rule ''Do not do to others what you would not like them to do to you''. Our Lord took this negative rule and turned it into the well-known positive rule ''Do to others what you would like them to do to you''.
Luther translated Old Testament into German, and put those 7 books out of their order, putting them at the end of his translation, saying they were sacred scripture but that church ought not teach from them. This is utterly absurd to say. In 1800’s Protestant bible publishers, removed those 7 books, from their Protestant bibles. Catholic’s and not Protestants, have The HOLY Bible…unchanged by man.
@@robertmcginness4610 Luther's translation of the verse reads, "So now we hold, that man is justified without the help of the works of the law, alone through faith". The word "alone" (German allein) does not appear in the Greek manuscripts, but Luther argued that it was required by German idiom and made the translation clearer and more vigorous.
This is what I found. Hope this helps. Yes, Martin Luther added the word “alone” (in German, allein) to his translation of Romans 3:28, which reads in the NABRE: “For we consider that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the law.” (Romans 3:28, NABRE) Luther translated this verse into German as: “So halten wir nun dafür, dass der Mensch gerecht werde ohne des Gesetzes Werke, allein durch den Glauben.” (“For we hold that one is justified without the works of the law, by faith alone.”) The addition of “alone” was not present in the original Greek text of the Bible, nor in the Latin Vulgate, which was the standard translation in the Catholic Church. This addition reflected Luther’s theological belief in sola fide (faith alone), one of the key tenets of the Protestant Reformation. Why Did Luther Add “Alone”? Luther believed that salvation comes solely through faith in Jesus Christ, apart from human works, which he felt were emphasized too heavily in the Catholic Church of his time. He justified the addition of “alone” by arguing that it clarified Paul’s teaching on justification and was consistent with the broader context of the Epistles.
@@hexahexametermeter adverb 1. (of two or more people or things) separated by a distance; at a specified distance from each other in time or space. "two stone gateposts some thirty feet apart" The dictionary disagrees with you…
@@jjwurtz That was a fair appraisal. Luther thought he needed to clarify that one text for his German readers. In Luthers Open Letter on Translating he says if its worded one way the German ear hears this. If its worded another way they hear this. I don't know German but to him he felt the addition of 'alone' clarified the point.
As well as omitting these books, protestant Bibles also omit several chapters in Daniel and Esther. This includes the well known Benedicite or Song of the Three Children in Daniel 3. Some Protestant Bibles include the Deuterocanonical Books and omitted chapters at the end of the Old Testament and call them Apocrypha, which may also include the Third and Fourth Books of Esdras and the short Prayer of Manasseh, which are in the Orthodox Bible. The First and Second Books of Esdras are called the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah in most Western Bibles.
The three books you’re referring to are likely 1 Esdras, 3 Maccabees, and Psalm 151, which are included in the Orthodox Canon but not in the Roman Catholic Bible. Let’s explore what happened to these books in the Catholic tradition: 1. Historical Context of the Canon •Roman Catholic Canon: The Catholic Church formally recognized the canon of Scripture at the Councils of Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD), reaffirmed at the Council of Trent (1546 AD) in response to the Protestant Reformation. This canon includes the 46 books of the Old Testament, based on the Septuagint, and the 27 books of the New Testament. •Orthodox Canon: The Orthodox Church generally accepted a broader canon, which includes additional books and sections found in the Septuagint but not formally recognized by the Catholic Church as canonical. What Happened to the 3 Books? 1. 1 Esdras •Roman Catholic Position: What Catholics call Ezra and Nehemiah are considered the canonical books, while 1 Esdras (sometimes called “Greek Ezra”) was seen as a duplicate or alternative version of material in these books. •Reason for Exclusion: Since much of 1 Esdras overlaps with Ezra and Nehemiah, it was not included in the Catholic canon but was respected as valuable for historical and scholarly study. 2. 3 Maccabees •Roman Catholic Position: 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees are part of the Catholic Old Testament canon, but 3 Maccabees was excluded. •Reason for Exclusion: 3 Maccabees is more of a historical or liturgical text with less theological significance, focusing on events in Egypt rather than the Maccabean revolt. It did not gain the same recognition in the Western Church as in the Eastern Churches. 3. Psalm 151 •Roman Catholic Position: The Book of Psalms in the Catholic Bible ends at Psalm 150. •Reason for Exclusion: Psalm 151 was viewed as apocryphal in the Latin Church because it was absent from the Hebrew Masoretic Text, which the Catholic Church also consulted when affirming the canon.
Around the 14:35 mark you said Luther dropped those 7 books from his bible. Can you provide some documentation to that effect? I'd like to read that. And the apocrypha was not established canon or Jerome wouldn't have rejected them. Or Gregory the Great who rejected part of it or Cardinal Cajetan who also rejected all of the apocrypha. Athanasius only had Baruch in his o.t. He 'dropped' the rest. It wasn't until Trent, session 4 1546 that the rcc dogmatically added those 7 books. They were considered ecclesiastical, not inspired.
Dear Father, I strive to remember you personally in my prayers as often as I can❤ The explanation that solidified your discussion was at Saint Paul did not consider himself to be a convert, but considered himself to be a Jew who had found his Messiah, and therefore would have “ used” the 46 “books” of the Old Testament, the SAME TEACHINGS that Our Blessed Lord would have used! Did NOT Jesus QUOTE the SEPTUAGINT Himself OVER 200 times
Genesis 17:7 Genesis 17:19 Two covenants. If you deny christ you are not under the covenant seeded by YHWH but given to Abraham, flesh and bondage destined to return to dirt. Galatians 4:21-26
This was the best explanation I've ever heard. I will share it widely. Thank you so much. Have a blessed Advent. +
Thank you Fr Mike. I always learn when I listen to you. Thank you for your yes and your guidance. God bless you!
I love The Book of Tobit! St. Rafael, pray for us! 🙏
The look on Protestants face when you tell them the deuterocanonical books appeared in the original King James Version of the Bible in 1611…
I’ve actually seen an original KJV from 1600’s.
The books were published with the KJV up until the eighteenth century. Readings from these books are in the cycle of readings for Morning and Evening Prayer for the Church of England
We aren’t super surprised. There is always a reason that organizations break up into different groups. And there are always small differences.
@ but that is the million dollar question. Under what authority were these books removed?
I purchased a King James Bible printed in 1791. I wanted to have proof that the Protestant Bible had the 7 deuterocanonical books. Every time I share this with protestants they are silent and don’t know what to say. So scholars will tell you that most of the New Testament when quoting the Old Testament is directly from the Septuagint which contained 46 books, just as the Catholic cannon. Btw, big surprise! Jews that believed that Jesus was the messiah started the Holy Apostolic and Universal (Catholic) church. Just as he told his apostles in the Bible! And No, he was not speaking to you born 2000 years later to be preaching your novel feelings out in your metal barn. You have no Teaching authority. Definitely to line of succession going back to Jesus and his apostles. Btw notice how Jesus commanded them to make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Which One and only Church did that? Which one is literally in every country and province all over the world?
Thank you Fr. Mike. I love the book of wisdom and Sirach. God bless.
An hour before watching this podcast, I randomly came upon and ordered this Bible. I read it was just published and was 30 years in the making.
It's awesome, my husband bought me one.
Thank You Rev. Mike O'Connor for This Excellent Catechism Presentation God Bless! ✝
Thank you Fr Mike for your words today 🙏🏻🕊✝️🕊🙏🏻 The study of the Bible and the reasons why different Christian groups recognize different “books” and writers is very interesting 🙏🏻
Thanks Fr. Mike. ❤ from Texas.
Thank you so blessed I will watch again I enjoy reading the Bible it ever ending reading
Very enjoyable! Thank you, Fr. Mike!
Beautiful, thank you very much Fr. I wish we got this in Catechism...Keep it up!!
That was very informative, thank you🤗 I have read and highly recommend reading those extra seven books. They are very rich and have given me instruction and answers to prayer. I praise God for His word. 💖
Blessings to you
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Thank you, Fr. Michael
Our Lord taught from the deuterocanonical Book of Tobit . This book [4:15-17] contains a negative form of the Golden Rule ''Do not do to others what you would not like them to do to you''. Our Lord took this negative rule and turned it into the well-known positive rule ''Do to others what you would like them to do to you''.
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Luther translated Old Testament into German, and put those 7 books out of their order, putting them at the end of his translation, saying they were sacred scripture but that church ought not teach from them. This is utterly absurd to say.
In 1800’s Protestant bible publishers, removed those 7 books, from their Protestant bibles.
Catholic’s and not Protestants, have The HOLY Bible…unchanged by man.
I had the SAME thought a few days ago about the NUMBERS of “protestant” and the Holy Bible recently!
I'm CofE and we had the reading from Baruch 5 1-9 on 8th December.
73 works for me. Once I knew this, I couldn’t forget it.
Didn't Luther add the word alone to Faith making is faith alone?
@@robertmcginness4610 Luther's translation of the verse reads, "So now we hold, that man is justified without the help of the works of the law, alone through faith". The word "alone" (German allein) does not appear in the Greek manuscripts, but Luther argued that it was required by German idiom and made the translation clearer and more vigorous.
This is what I found. Hope this helps.
Yes, Martin Luther added the word “alone” (in German, allein) to his translation of Romans 3:28, which reads in the NABRE:
“For we consider that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the law.” (Romans 3:28, NABRE)
Luther translated this verse into German as:
“So halten wir nun dafür, dass der Mensch gerecht werde ohne des Gesetzes Werke, allein durch den Glauben.”
(“For we hold that one is justified without the works of the law, by faith alone.”)
The addition of “alone” was not present in the original Greek text of the Bible, nor in the Latin Vulgate, which was the standard translation in the Catholic Church. This addition reflected Luther’s theological belief in sola fide (faith alone), one of the key tenets of the Protestant Reformation.
Why Did Luther Add “Alone”?
Luther believed that salvation comes solely through faith in Jesus Christ, apart from human works, which he felt were emphasized too heavily in the Catholic Church of his time. He justified the addition of “alone” by arguing that it clarified Paul’s teaching on justification and was consistent with the broader context of the Epistles.
Apart from is the same as saying alone. If you say you are apart from other people you are alone. Not too hard.
@@hexahexametermeter adverb
1.
(of two or more people or things) separated by a distance; at a specified distance from each other in time or space.
"two stone gateposts some thirty feet apart"
The dictionary disagrees with you…
@@jjwurtz That was a fair appraisal. Luther thought he needed to clarify that one text for his German readers. In Luthers Open Letter on Translating he says if its worded one way the German ear hears this. If its worded another way they hear this. I don't know German but to him he felt the addition of 'alone' clarified the point.
As well as omitting these books, protestant Bibles also omit several chapters in Daniel and Esther. This includes the well known Benedicite or Song of the Three Children in Daniel 3.
Some Protestant Bibles include the Deuterocanonical Books and omitted chapters at the end of the Old Testament and call them Apocrypha, which may also include the Third and Fourth Books of Esdras and the short Prayer of Manasseh, which are in the Orthodox Bible. The First and Second Books of Esdras are called the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah in most Western Bibles.
Kjv alone is circular reasoning
what did the ROMAN CATHOLICS do with the 3 books that are in the ORTHODOX CATHOLIC BIBLE?
The three books you’re referring to are likely 1 Esdras, 3 Maccabees, and Psalm 151, which are included in the Orthodox Canon but not in the Roman Catholic Bible. Let’s explore what happened to these books in the Catholic tradition:
1. Historical Context of the Canon
•Roman Catholic Canon: The Catholic Church formally recognized the canon of Scripture at the Councils of Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD), reaffirmed at the Council of Trent (1546 AD) in response to the Protestant Reformation. This canon includes the 46 books of the Old Testament, based on the Septuagint, and the 27 books of the New Testament.
•Orthodox Canon: The Orthodox Church generally accepted a broader canon, which includes additional books and sections found in the Septuagint but not formally recognized by the Catholic Church as canonical.
What Happened to the 3 Books?
1. 1 Esdras
•Roman Catholic Position: What Catholics call Ezra and Nehemiah are considered the canonical books, while 1 Esdras (sometimes called “Greek Ezra”) was seen as a duplicate or alternative version of material in these books.
•Reason for Exclusion: Since much of 1 Esdras overlaps with Ezra and Nehemiah, it was not included in the Catholic canon but was respected as valuable for historical and scholarly study.
2. 3 Maccabees
•Roman Catholic Position: 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees are part of the Catholic Old Testament canon, but 3 Maccabees was excluded.
•Reason for Exclusion: 3 Maccabees is more of a historical or liturgical text with less theological significance, focusing on events in Egypt rather than the Maccabean revolt. It did not gain the same recognition in the Western Church as in the Eastern Churches.
3. Psalm 151
•Roman Catholic Position: The Book of Psalms in the Catholic Bible ends at Psalm 150.
•Reason for Exclusion: Psalm 151 was viewed as apocryphal in the Latin Church because it was absent from the Hebrew Masoretic Text, which the Catholic Church also consulted when affirming the canon.
@@jjwurtz like the Jewish people who put together the OLD TESTAMENT including the MESSIANIC JEWS THEY NEVER ACCEPTED THE ADDED BOOKS BY THE CATHOLICS!
@@waynecornell-w5u how is this pertinent to Christians, since they also never accepted ANY of the NT books either?
Around the 14:35 mark you said Luther dropped those 7 books from his bible. Can you provide some documentation to that effect? I'd like to read that. And the apocrypha was not established canon or Jerome wouldn't have rejected them. Or Gregory the Great who rejected part of it or Cardinal Cajetan who also rejected all of the apocrypha. Athanasius only had Baruch in his o.t. He 'dropped' the rest. It wasn't until Trent, session 4 1546 that the rcc dogmatically added those 7 books. They were considered ecclesiastical, not inspired.
Dear Father, I strive to remember you personally in my prayers as often as I can❤
The explanation that solidified your discussion was at Saint Paul did not consider himself to be a convert, but considered himself to be a Jew who had found his Messiah, and therefore would have “ used” the 46 “books” of the Old Testament, the SAME TEACHINGS that Our Blessed Lord would have used! Did NOT Jesus QUOTE the SEPTUAGINT Himself OVER 200 times
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Was it SINFUL to DELETE some books of the Bible?
In courtrooms you SWEAR to 'tell the truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the trurh'
I was told it was the Apostle Paul. Which is correct?
Genesis 17:7 Genesis 17:19 Two covenants. If you deny christ you are not under the covenant seeded by YHWH but given to Abraham, flesh and bondage destined to return to dirt. Galatians 4:21-26
The naughty Catholics ADDED books that weren't in the Old Testament canon..
You’re either full of nonsense or completely delusional