Ford f150 2.7 heavy smoke on start up tsb full DIY
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- 2015-2017 ford f150 2.7 heavy smoke on start up, we replace the oil feed tube to the driver side turbo relating to tsb 19-2188.
Oil tube FU7Z-9T516-A
Stud W716383-5437
Nut W714870_9430
Issue: Some 2015-2017 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 2.7L EcoBoost engine may exhibit excessive white or blue
smoke from the exhaust at start up after a cold soak. This may be due to oil entering the left hand turbocharger turbine housing. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to replace the left hand turbocharger oil supply tube with a revised part.
Action: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition on vehicles that meet all of the following criteria:
• 2015-2017 F-150
• 2.7L EcoBoost engine
• Customer concern of excessive white or blue smoke from the exnaust at start uo after a cold soak.
Service Procedure
1. Does the customer concern include oil consumption, drivability symptoms, or any other concern along with smoke
from the exnaust?
(1). Yes - this'article does not apply. Refer to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnostic (PC/ED) Manual for
normal diagnosis.
(2). No - proceed to Step 2.
2. Replace the left hand turbocharger oil supply tube. Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-04E. - Авто та транспорт
Got the same engine 2016 2.7 with 176K miles, original turbos, from day one catch can, BOV, Bigger inner cooler , Synthetic oil every 5K miles, on my second battery, spark plugs and a set of coils, Love this Truck, have towed 7K lbs to 9k Miles
That’s awesome to hear for sure, hope this one lives forever
we have a 2016 ford f 150 in body shop now and i remember everyone saying back in 2014.heck them wont last them silly aluminium trucks.we have a 2016 silverado with half the miles on it the body is rusted bad.the ford body still looks new yet
@@swrvtech I purchased a 2018 F150 2.7 last and just recently got the p0430 don't know why but wouldn't it be covered,thanks
A 0430 would be the passenger side if I’m not mistaken and that might be from a different issue, it would need to be further diagnosed. Also for the 18 model year it might have other tsbs.
Great video. Need to do this before my cats go out. You did a great job of explaining. You’re a natural at this and you definitely did not talk too much. Great great guide.
Thank you I greatly appreciate it and glad it helped!
100 Ford this video the best of the best,,slow,clear tip by tip in perfect order,you are a super professional man,thankssssddd
Thank you we appreciate it!
i have a 2016 f150 with the 2.7 and mine has 43k on it currently. its been in the shop since september. took the truck into the dealer for this same problem and was told the cylinder walls were scored and badly damaged. dealer replaced the engine and turbos under warranty. pick up the truck up on a friday after the new engine was installed and end up returning it back to the dealer the very next day after less than 100 miles because the new engine spun a cam on the driver side cylinder head. now ive been in a dealership rental since october waiting on an engine. i love my truck and this is a great video i just wish this was my problem instead of the engine dying at 43k.
I sure hope they get it all resolved, sounds like such a headache really, but by the subs of it they will for sure get it all resolved.
Great video and thanks for sharing. My truck just started smoking. 2016 w/125k miles. I was hoping it wasn’t an issue with the heads after reading horror stories about them cracking and antifreeze leaking out. But haven’t seen my coolant get low. Gonna hurry up and swap that oil line before my cats go to. Thanks again!
Thanks for the video, I just did mine yesterday. Wasn't sure the torque on the stud and bolt. Your video made it to where I got the job done.
My ford dealer in el centr California said he didn’t know what the problem was after I explained that it smokes like the fire department just came and put out a fire service manager asked me to let him know what it was when I find out what the issue was . Thats why I became a gmc truck owner suuuubbbbaaammm !
I have a 2017 and switched to synthetic oil and have never had a problem with smoke again. Also have 132,000 miles
That’s weird, not sure what effects the oil would would cause it to not allow it to make its way to be burnt
Did you change to high mileage full synthetic by any chance?
Now yes since it’s just over 140k miles
Excellent video! great camera work and instructions.
Thank you we appreciate it and glad it’s helpful!
I have a 2016 f150 and smokes on startup so I will be taking it to ford to be fixed as I have a extended warranty, in my younger years I would of tackled this repair as it doesn't seem to be that hard just alot of taking stuff off that's in the way. You make it look easy and very instructive. I only have 101k on my truck and it looks like new inside and out my last driver is a 1994 f150 with 225k on it and have had hardly any issues with the 5.8 and the truck itself. Ford just makes them better.
I also have a warranty but they tell me nothing is covered so it was all off pocket is why I did it myself, I hope they fix yours for you!
One of the bets DIY ever thankyou
We appreciate it thank you!
Thanks that I bought the 3.3
Well, that's a Dog
Nice video. Helped me a lot thanks!
Have a 2020 2.7 crew cab 9,500mils love my truck
One of your part numbers are wrong. Nut W714870_9430 should be Nut W714870-S430. This comes directly of FORDTSB 19-2188. Great video! Thanks
Great video! Mine puffs smoke so bad during the cold months it looks like my front lot is on fire some mornings. Truck runs great, no loss of anything. Cheap enough part, I will be attempting this to see if It fixes it.
That sounds like condensation honestly, if no check engine light for catalytic converter efficiency, I’d save your money.
@@swrvtech Thanks for the reply. I'm certain it's just condensation too, cause after about 5-10mins it's gone. Summer days theres a puff of white smoke and that's it. It's a 2017, so I figure i'd just do a quick 1-2 on it anyway. $300 for fluids and this part/stud doesn't sound bad. What did you clean your rad out with?
@@Av8r6o4 if you have a check engine light I’d do it but definitely can’t hurt anything by replacing it and some degreaser and water then hitting it with the leaf blower and then letting it sit in the sun standing up to get any residual water out
My 2017 f150 did this and it made oil. No coolant loss. Smokes everytime it sits on cold start. Multiple visits to ford. They did nothing. I got rid of it and got the 5.0. No more problems. Bottom line is turbos sucks for reliability daily driving.
It made oil?
Great video thanks!
Thank you!
Saved me alot of time and money SWRVTech, thank you! Anyone watching, get the replacement tube as soon as possible. I waited a few months and the price went up $75 online, and double at the dealer. Probably doesn't help the problem is becoming more common as the trucks age...
You’re welcome and that is crazy to think it went up that much but like you said the demand is going up.
I have a F150 2017 2.7 it started to smoke around 45k miles at the beginning only at start up in the morning and then at 69k miles started to smoke alot I ended up replacing both turbos $850 each turbo. I am disappointed ford trucks needs repair very often.
ford was aware of that.the 2021s they changed that cause people where complaining.if you do youtube.check out ford boss channel.hes a veteran ford mechanic and if you comment he will get back to you
Based on the tsbs and my research the heavy smoke on start up for the 2.7s in 2017 was cylinder heads and the turbo feed line, they probably replaced the line when they replaced the turbo as well
I'm doing this right now and I didn't need to remove the fender liner and the stud and nut, with the right tool there is enough room to remove the oil tube.
Can you tell me which tool ? I’m doing it soon 🥵
@@isaias131982 buy a set of long torx bit.
you could also take off the front whls to get closer .
I found it easy enough and saves time leaving it on, a lift would make it very easy too.
Nice totem poles
I did the tsb twice once díy then the dealer. Still smokes. Took it back to dealer they couldn't figure it. They said might be the catch cans leaking. Next step is to clean the throttle. Switch to 5w40 oil. Last resort to swap the turbo
Did you clean out the charge pipe and intercooler? Switching to thicker oil is a bad idea as all the oil orifice are designed for 5w30 I believe.
I have the same problem in my ford 16 f150 2.7, how can i be sure that this is problem and not the head gasket, or the valve seals??
Is it drinking coolant? And valve seals it would smoke all the time
How did you know it was the driver side turbo line?
From the tsb, it should be in the description but when I was at the dealer they pulled up all heavy smoke tsb and there were only 2, one being cylinder heads but my truck didn’t fit into the made date and the other one was driver side turbo feed line. I talked to a master bmw tech and he said they have the same issues with a turbo oil feed line as well so I went with it and so far so good with the new cats and everything cleaned out
Hi did put out more white smoke when ever you went over 3000rpm
Only on cold starts, if you have smoke when warm or revving you potentially have other issues.
Put a catch can on it and it will trap most of the oil. I use one on my 3.5 after upgrading the intercooler and charge pipe to keep them clean and after 1 year no oil at all from pcv system.
I might one day but this was a known issue so it should be resolved now
Great video SWRVTECH did that fix your issue?
Yes it did, so far zero smoke and the truck has 162k miles now
Okay good to know I have a truck here that's doing the same thing. Did yours also smoke a lot after letting it sit for about an hour when hot?
@@DaveMartens-q9e it was basically every start up
i have the 2021 2.7 totally differnt now but thats crazy.so far i got the windshield wiper motor that suddnly stops working letter.ive never had a issue even with 4 inches of ice and snow on it the doors freezing shut rear door latch problem.never had a issue ect ect.i remember buying a brand new fancy black z71 silverado in 2001 that thing from the time i got it home 2 weeks later it puffed smoke out ehaust after cold start i took it in multipile times to dealer they just told me thats the way the 5.3s are.i ran that truck till 150,000 so maybe it wsnt a bigdeal
I’m sure they’ve learned and updated parts as the years go by as this one was an updated part with a full tsb. No vehicle should use oil really and I always try to find the root issue that’s causing the effects. Hope the 21 last forever for you
first things first DISCONNECT the battery!!!
on there newer units unplugging things with power on can make weird and bad things happen
Been there . Sold it
Cheaper to fix than buy a new truck in the long run
What is the difference between the old turbo supply line and the new one?
I assume there is a check valve to prevent oil from free flowing into the turbo upon shutdown.
Please clarify.
Good Post by the Way!
I thought that but there are no visible differences to the eye, it might be a different orifice size maybe. I’ll try and research more into what might be the difference
@@swrvtech I work on large industrial gas fueled engines and our engines are equipped with a 5 psi check valve in the turbo oil supply line. This prevents oil from flooding the turbocharger during pre-lube when the seals are most likely to leak oil into the engine. I had a 2015 2.7 ecoboost that had the same problem with smoke on start up. The dealer replaced one of the turbochargers under warranty. I do not remember which one and I always questioned if they really fixed the problem.
That’s the fix for the bmw issues as well and what I was expecting to see when I got the new line
About to do this on my 2017 2.7. The smoke has been pretty bad from my truck and I’m at 125k. How do you find the torque rating for that stud? Or where could I look it up? Thanks, I enjoyed the video and I’m sure I’ll be back again once the parts come in.
I’m glad it is helpful! For the stud I’m seeing 18ft pounds and 13ft pounds for the oil line fittings. ford-specs.com/cars/2020/f1502.7/torque-specs_engine.php
Had any transmission issues? Thinking about buying one of these soon
Torque converter shudder is all, but Every ford I know with 100k plus miles also shudders lol new convertor, fluid, and filter and it’ll be good to go. The shop that did the work, under warranty, on my wife’s expedition said they have never rebuilt one and they’re bulletproof
At 70k miles on my 16 2.7 I had to replace the lead frame connector and valvebody in my 6r80
@@jimfinger4418 you
hey man i was wondering if that part number was the same for a 2018 f150 because i saw no video on a 2018 explaining this but never gave a part number on the updated part
I would check on the tsb with your dealer to be sure, I know different years it could also be the heads that is the issue.
So isn't smoke normal in a cold start?
If it’s moisture from condensation yes, it’s it’s a bunch of oil no.
It looks exactly the same, do they just go bad or is it a new design thats hard to notice?
It’s an updated piece, I’m guessing a different orifice size internally.
Well good way to get your core and back workout in. All this rolling the F around in the driveway. Trust me I know from experience. I think I'd rather do wheel bearings and exhaust manifolds than all this turbo shit though. Good working room on that engine once you got all the piping out of the way.
Yes my back was feeling it after I finished the plugs lol
I have a 2016 that I performed the fix, I didn’t clean out the residual. Will it still let out blue smoke on cold start until it has all burned off?
It’s a good possibility it will if it sucks in the oil, but the chance of that might be slim depending on how much oil is left in everything.
I also have this problem truck 2016 year when it’s cold it smoke that comes out it’s white I think that it could be that head gasket or it might me the turbo
Thank you
You could do a coolant pressure check or do diagnostics to see how the o2 sensors are reading or if there’s any codes as well.
Does anyone know the part number for the oil line and the stud
It is in the top of the description as well as the full tsb
Did you drill holes in your intercooler? Is a catch can still needed if you use the updated TSB oil feed line? Thank you for this video.
No that’s not good to do in my opinion as it will be a small boost leak, catch cans never hurt to have either but it’s some what of a bandaid to mask an underlying issue. I do not have a catch can and everything is good now still and it has 141xxx miles now
Why do you need to replace the stud and the nut? Will these part numbers work for a 2016?
I’m not sure the 2016 falls into the tsb but the nut is a stove nut so it’s a one time use and the stud I’m not sure, I just followed directions honestly.
2017 F150 2nd time in Ford for the white smoke.... they replace LH turbo oil supply line one year apart. I only have 1yr warranty left. 46k miles. Is this what i need to get someone do? Female....i cant do this
If they replaced it with the updated one, I’m assuming they did, then the problem may be turbo seals or something with the engine, that’s also assuming they cleaned all the charge pipes off oil. Also the catalytic converters fail when oil soaked.
@swrvtech They said there is "special bulletin" on this but didn't elaborate. Both times it says Tube ASY, gasket, stud & nut replaced. I mentioned maybe they should look for the root of the cause but they blew me off. It did it the 2nd time after only 3k miles. Don't drive it alot. I'm worried about when the warranty runs out
@@swrvtech So should I raise a fuss if it returns again & demand they go further to fix it?
I put the part number in the description that showed the most up to date part number at the time I made this video, and I always look for the root cause myself but not everyone might.
@@swrvtechThanks. Water is still sitting in the tailpipe & dripping. I don't see this on other trucks. Is that another problem?
I have exactly the same problem, so is not necessary to remplace the turbo??
If the turbo has excessive shaft play in and out or up and down then yes but there is a full tsb on this and it worked for me.
Did this successfully fix the blue smoke on startup issue for you?
Yes it sure did! 152k miles now and still going good
Got a question what’s the stud for there?
And is there way to keep the stud in and just go arround it to unscrew that bolt?
The stud has to be removed for the bolt to come out, and the stud is for the exhaust manifold.
Hey man I did this and it still smokes a little, I never cleaned out the residual oil in the inter cooler or pipes. Do you think if I did that it would stop completely? How did you clean it all?
I would suggest cleaning them for sure at least it will give you piece of mind. I would spray some purple power or degreaser in them and let them air dry and maybe even blow air through it to make sure all water and moisture is out.
Do you need to prime the oil line at all before startup?
No need to, also no way to do so since the oil pump is belt driven off of the crank shaft. Just make sure to put a dab of oil on fittings before going in so the oil rings don’t tear.
Has it smoked since you fixed it? I had the tube replaced and it never fixed and was just wondering if what you did fixed the issue
It has not smoked one bit. Did they thoroughly clean the charge pipes and intercooler? If so you have other issues as well
It’s been a week since I fixed mine. I did not clean all the charge pipes but wiped down what I could see. There was definitely oil all over everything just like yours. It’s still smoking. I’ll give it some time but it does not appear to have fixed the issue as I would think it should smoke less and less when burning off any residual. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Maybe take a charge pipe off and see if there is still oil pooled up and if there is I would thoroughly clean it out
I successfully fixed this issue last year, but I’m starting to notice it resurfacing gradually again after a year. Any thoughts on what might be going wrong?
What year is your truck?
What oil do you use?
@@Frenchfryguy1 It's a 2017 model. I had been using the Motorcraft oil recommended by Ford, but I switched to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, and the issue disappeared immediately after the change.
Did this fix the problem in the long run?
We’re at 150k miles now and still no smoke.
Good job,did you actually fix the issue?does it consume oil between changes?smoking?
Yes it has fully fixed the issue and I’m not sure I have a ship change my oil to be honest, but yes it does not smoke any more
Quick question, I have the exact same truck with the same problem. Is removing the charge pipe and cooler necessary? does it NEED to be cleaned out or can I just replace the line and prevent more buildup.
It needs to be cleaned so once you replace the failed cats you don’t have more oil getting burned and going through them
Where did you get your parts from?
@lennyfinckbone9052 from my local dealership they had them in stock
Why did you remove the turbo mounting points is it really necessary?
Yes it is to be able to remove the mounting bolt for the oil line
Did you use the door man or the actual ford brand part ?
Oem ford from dealership
Thank you.
Has it came back ever since the change?
@@kristiandeluna6009 it has not
I have the same problem with my F-150 2012 ecoboost... Does this fix it?
2012 should be the 3.5 ecoboost, if I had to guess I think it would be the seas on the turbo
@@swrvtech
Thank you brother
You’re welcome!
You’re welcome
Did you throw any codes again after you changed it? Or the changing that pipe stop tot?
No code since replacing the oil feed tube and the cats! Had 146k on it now
@@swrvtech My 2016 f150 3.5 is throwing the same codes but I know it’s not my cats because I just put all new exhaust on it from the down pipe all the way out because I originally thought they were the problem had the codes cleared after new exhaust and they’re back I was just getting ready to put new o2 sensors in when I found your video. And on a side note my truck was smoking pretty bad for about a week whenever I would go to pass someone or accelerate quick but it has since stopped so I’m thinking it might be time to change my oil feed.
The 3.5 might have a different issue honestly, this is a known tsb for the 2.7s only. I would check your your turbo air inlet pipes as well as the charge pipes for oil, it could also be pushing oil out of the exhaust side. I haven’t dug into the 3.5s smoking
Did the smoke stop right after new oil feed line or did it take a few days to stop?
It stopped right after since each time I drove it it burns the residual oil
Where did your buy the new tube? Is it a dealer only item?
I bought it from the dealer but you could get the part number and check online for it. In my case they had everything in stock so I just picked it all up
@swrvtech the thing about the dealer is the markup. A lot of times, they charge more than a parts store for the same part. I'll see what I can find at my local store. Thanks for the video and the response.
I totally get that for sure, and not a problem at all I hope it helps!
I have the same issue 17 f150 133k no issues aside from the smoke on start up . Someone said if you change to 5 40 smoke goes away, he’s been running it for 2 years now no issues problem gone
That is a way thicker oil which would starve bearings, to each there own but I like to address the issue in stead of band aiding it
@@swrvtech did ur issue go away ? I got to fix this issue
Yes it did, the cats fail with oil going through them so that’s why I got the full spd performance exhaust and new o2 sensors and it’s been great since
@@swrvtech oh ok thx for the quick reply! Am surprised my cats are still ok I’ve had the issue for like 2 years
@@jayg9732 no problem, and if your exhaust has a sulfur smell then they are failing
That's why I didn't buy the turbo all that stuff gonna be a problem later stick to general engine style
Everything will have problems eventually, this is an issue that should be a recall really.
where did you buy the oil tube from? my local O’Reillys couldn’t get one for me
The dealership had them in stock
What’s the part name?
It’s the turbo oil supply line
Hey, just curious but when I look up the part number I find some for 50 bucks and others 150. How do I know if I bought the updated one or the original line? Would you be able to link the exact one you got so I know it’s the right one
@aleclush7403 the part number in the description is what we bought from the dealership, I don’t remember how much it was though.
Dis the coolant leak before this?
It’s never leaked coolant or oil, the oil got pushed through the turbo and out the seals into the exhaust
Do you have the part number for that line??
It should be in the description?
I have a 15 with the 2.7l. I installed jlt catch can from day 1 and only run Full Syn RP oil. Has 94k on it never had an issue. Is this issue for higher miles?
It’s a known issue, I got the truck with almost 100k miles and it already had the issue. In the tsb it shows certain build dates that are known to be effected as well.
@@swrvtechwhere can I find the TSB?
@krazykajun9692 static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10163553-0001.pdf
What’s the part number
For what?
Can't hear you!
Do the stud and nut need torquing?
Studs usually get snug then you torque the nut. I can’t remember the spec right off hand though