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Its pretty much the most important one tbh it doesn’t matter if its plain old heavy metal or sideways suicidal slimy sandwich technical black thrash core it doesn’t matter if the band is good
I fucking hate when people call the Battle Metal or whatever... They are my fav band and I am pretty sure I know that they are fucking Power/Heavy Metal, every metal band is different from the others in at least one way but thats not an excuse to make a new sub genre
A friend of mine was telling me about how he was educating some girl about metal, because he told her he liked metal, I think he specifically mentioned one band he liked, and she replied with "oh so like screamo?" And his response was something along the lines of "no not all metal is screamo just because it has screaming" The irony of him claiming to be educating this girl while unironically thinking screamo was an established subgenre almost made me puke. And this dude is in his 20's. In his defense though, he _did_ have the classification correct in his head, he just was saying screamo when what he actually was talking about was metalcore. He also correctly knew that emo/math-rock was its own genre separate from "screamo", so I gave him a pass as just being ill-informed. Still took a lot out of me to not smack him, though.
@@tarman2752 yeah same, but it's also useful because generally if you hear someone say it unironically then you know you can just disregard them straight off the bat
@@Th3Raz96; Are you stating that "screamo" doesn't exist, or that it falls under (metalcore, not metal)? Either way, I would say it exists[, just not under metal(or metalcore); that person was indeed incorrect][, it just falls under (simultaneously both: hardcore & emo)]. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamo Calling it "metalcore" doesn't seem as accurate as it was influenced by hardcore punk, not metal. Screamo falls under punk, not metal; It's fine if you weren't aware of it's existence; I, personally, am more aware of punk than I am of metal. ua-cam.com/video/s7TVzr5gwSY/v-deo.html The people who call screamo "any( thing/metal/metalcore/hardcore/punk/rock/genre) with screaming" are incorrect; They're misusing the title of an actual (punk/emo) subgenre.
Was it ever? Or is pirate metal just a group of disparate bands (all 3 of them) that make pirate-themed metal, regardless of actual genre classification
Alestorm started as a joke, basically. Then went "lolpirates" and now they're sitting back laughing and watching all the pirate bands. And now people are actually upset that they're not taking their pirate gimmick 'seriously' anymore. It's hilarious.
As far as I know, Viking Metal is a real subgenre (Nordic Folk Metal + Black Metal) and not a definition based on lyrics. But maybe (probably) I'm wrong.
@@Fern_2019 you are You just described it yourself. Viking metal is nothing more than folk metal and black metal bands using viking lyrics. Not a real genre. Music doesn't change, at all
I am guilty of neurotically wasting my youth trying to understand everything that's out there. Currently 40yrs old and still have no idea what's going on? Metal is awesome!!
Not quite forty but almost there , still trying to find and categorize all the new good stuff ! It’s a never ending quest my friend , but boy is it epic and dope.
Bruh, this video is so based, it summarized the way I see it too. It kind of annoys me when I see people complaining when they see people discussing about subgenres, they say stuff like "whatever, it's just metal!" or "back in my days we would just call everything metal, nowadays kids blah blah blah". Categorization is important, we apply it literally to everything, but these people try to look down on it when it's applied to music. Why wouldn't we? Our organs have names, car parts have names, there are many genres in literature, cinema etc etc, so why should we refuse to give names to certain genres or types of styles we perceive evolving, branching out of others? There's a reason. Just because you can't recognize these patterns it does not mean other people shouldn't.
Hear hear! How the fuck am i going to tell my friends about this cool song i found if we don't have at least some vocabulary to describe shit. Also, crucify anyone who uses the term "viking metal" or "pirate metal".
@@kookoo9235 what's wrong with saying Viking Metal? Genuinely asking, I've never heard anyone opposed to it as a classification before, I thought it was pretty widely accepted as a legitimate niche subgenre
@@Th3Raz96 Genre's are categorization tools indicating soundstyles. Viking metal is just a niche without typical sound to it. For example "Depressive suicidal black metal" i instantly know what it is supposed to sound like in general, "power metal" i instantly know we're in for a 4/4 pop structure metal song with clean vocals (usually). "Viking" tells me nothing of what it's supposed to sound like and it was first used to refer to the "viking" type songs of bathory back in the day, now it's just "i sing about vikings thus viking metal" type of thing. Genre's are categorization tools and if it doesn't have some specifity to it soundwise, it is useless and thus, not a genre. For example Amon amarth is supposedly "viking metal" when in fact it is nothing more than slightly heavier melodic death metal with viking lyrics. TL;DR: Viking metal doesn't have specific sound to it so as a categorization tool it is worthless.
@@kookoo9235 tru tru, makes sense. I honestly never really got into viking stuff beyond literally only listening to a couple Amon Amarth songs, so I guess I just assumed that their sound was what all viking metal sounded like
The thing is, music us way too diferent from one and another because unlike other stuff, music is creativity related, you can even go as far as dividing genres by song because they are different from each other. I understand the separation from heavy and industrial metal for example, but when you get to "Black suicidal post-grunge death metal", you are speaking nonsense.
You joke, but Arkheth's 12 Winter Moons Comes the Witches' Brew has a lot of Jazz elements to it and I'm sure they aren't the only ones. Not really funk though I suppose
I like using sub-genre classifications to find bands I like, and when they're used well for marketing, but when people start arguing about them and trying to out-nerd each other I start to resent it.
There's something to that. For my part, I find it a bit more useful to see comparisons to more famous bands... I find that I tend to get a lot more enjoyment from listening to bands that started out as, for example, Celtic Frost clones before finding their own voice and branching out into directions that would place the bands into a zillion different, seemingly incompatible sub-sub-subgenres (a doom metal band here, black metal band there, symphonic band over hill, gothic metal band over yonder, etc.), than I do from just finding out sub-sub-subgenre and finding all the bands that sound alike within it. But, it's a YMMV thing, to be sure, and there is something of a place for subgenres in marketing, if you can provide a three-word subgenre title that can communicate more to someone than a paragraph of text. That we've reached a point where a subgenre name starts fights without communicating any useful information, things have gotten out of hand. If a sub-sub-subgenre's name is so ridiculous that it chases would-be listeners away, things have gotten out of hand (I'm looking at you, Bat Metal and Epic Depressive Party Clown Metal! It's OK to simply say you're a metal band that plays novelty songs....)
Bruh I was showing my brother an All Out War album and I was telling him about how they blend elements from several different subgenres, and when I started trying to describe the black metal influences, this motherfucker said "oh like Ghost?" And I said "No. *FUCK* No. Ghost sucks, they're not even metal and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I'll show you some _real_ Devil's music" And then I popped the album in, and we jammed, and he redeemed himself by enjoying it with me.
Symphonic Post-Apocalyptic Reindeer-Grinding Christ Abusing Extreme War Pagan Fennoscandian Metal. Still waiting for Impaled Rektum to become an actual band and have that in a shirt.
@@Kataxu I'd agree, I think they pretty much started the genre too. There's so many great Swedish melodic BM bands from that era Sacramentum, Dawn, Vinterland, Unanimated, Lord Belial, Mörk Gryning, the list goes on
@@thomasedwardlawrence9775 I know to sound all norm about it; Judas Iscariot, Elder, Ulver, Pig Destroyer, and Black Sabbath (the scariest of them all🤘).
I consider Amon Amarth to be the perfect example. They get labeled as Viking Metal but insist to be a regular MDM band. Not to mention, "actual" Viking Metal is pretty much a fancy variation for Pagan/Folk Metal.
Eh idk, there is a case for viking metal as a black-ish metal genre with many folky instruments, choirs and epic song writing with a specific atmosphere in mind. Basically what Bathory started and e.g. Moonsorrow continued. But I don't really care tbh, but yeah you coulldd mayybeeee stretch it for viking metal I suppose.
The funny thing about the name "Melodic death metal" is that it gives the image of Iron Maiden but with death growls. But the actual subgenre is nothing like that
I consider "Viking Metal" to be a sub-genre of Epic Doom. Late-era Bathory, DoomSword and Scald all could be described as Epic Doom. Amon Amarth is Melodic Death, and Ensiferium is Power/Folk, they don't sound even close to the Viking bands listed above. I don't know why people associate Viking Metal with Black Metal, since they are very different styles. It's probably because they were both pioneered by Bathory
I see you everywhere it seems! I took a glance at your subscriptions and now it all makes sense, we're both subscribed to alot of the same channels. Have a nice day, brother!🤘🏻
Aren’t there a few bands that could actually fit that like mid era bathory and ensiferum? I don’t know if it’s enough to warrant a genre tho and everyone talking about how Amon Amarth and other image focused bands being Viking metal give me a tumor though.
@@vincenzoaureo6060 Bathory is 1st wave BM and Ensiferum is power metal. The two don't even sound similar to each other, so lumping them into the same genre would be useless for recommending to people.
@@Kapitan_Pazur There is a minimal amount of folk instrumentation on Twilight of the Gods. To Enter Your Mountain is the archetypal folk metal song. That said, we're dealing with a period where Bathory was changing subgenres every album. A lot of the viking era stuff was epic heavy/doom metal like a mix of Manowar and Solstice.
Idk if you could consider viking metal a genre because there just aren't many bands that play it, to me it's like a mixture of black metal, folk and epic doom metal, but I know when someone says viking metal they're talking about Hammerheart era Bathory so you could just say that instead of viking metal, there's good bands that take from that sound, like Hades from Norway which has a lot of Hammerheart influence but a lot more on the black metal side rather than folk/epic doom. You have also a bunch of doom bands that take from it, for example: Scald's Will of the Gods is Great Power sounds like Hammerheart without the black metal influence, same with Doomsword though Doomsword adds a lot of Candlemass in the mix, Atlantean Kodex also takes a lot from this sound but also has some Manowar and other epic doom bands. You can notice the similarities almost immediately. Scald: ua-cam.com/video/KZF1pGFLf1o/v-deo.html (one of the greatest doom songs ever IMO) Atlantean Kodex: ua-cam.com/video/RcNxKVuPGcU/v-deo.html (0:54 is straight up Hammerheart worship) Doomsword: ua-cam.com/video/daKHovByLJ4/v-deo.html
*ironic Goniloc voice* True, but a bit pointless to mention. Someone recently mentioned heavy metal being a direct offspring of acid rock (which itself obviously is born from rock and roll), and that blew my mind as it explains a lot about the difference between (early) heavy metal and hard rock. Especially helps explain why hard rock has hardly changed in all those years and heavy metal has mutated far beyond what it started as.
@@InfamousQwaQwaFruit yeah...people who don't listen to jazz end up describing their wanky, nonsensical chord progressions and atonal soloing as "jazz influences"
2:13 ''If you don't care, you don't have to. And if you do care, you can cater your obsessive behavior to reflect only the music that you love the most.'' - Goniloc 2020
I'm Russian and I haven't thought about Cheburashka since I was very young and seeing it in the thumbnail made me spiral into a google search fit trying to remember what it was called lol
Love your videos goniloc and I agree with your stance. Music is a personal journey and its about your journey as an individual not what everyone else is worried about
Man, your references make me ecstatic! I think I'm ready to admit that you're the best extreme metal youtuber out there. To my taste, at least. And yeah , the whole "cheburashka" passage was inspired. Much love from Russia
Thanks for making this, Goniloc. Definitely important to address in the metal community. Also, this is only my first time hearing about Cheburashka, but I do want to make a progressive metal album about the Moomins. Thought that may peak your interest. 😉😂
Appreciate this video! Genres can get really annoying, which is why I try to be generally simplistic with how I classify stuff. I do understand why people go out of their way with it though, but I feel that in doing that, you're forgetting what the main purpose of music is supposed to be: enjoyment.
Now I’m actually expecting some sort of video in a few days where is a literal test of different styles and asking us to guess genres now. I’m studying hard damn it!
I had a record I downloaded (the human abstract's first joint) once labeled as sporadic screamcore. There was a rush in the early -core days to coin a unique genre to your bands to absurd degrees. Cephallic Carnage once called themselves rocky mountain hydrogrind as a joke, as an example. Also, first.
oh yeah I remember that! that was kinda fun for a time, like 'oh, we're playing raisincore', 'yeah we're a cybercrabcore band', until everyone remembered that band names are already meant for being unique and genre tags are for sorting music
@@Goniloc Citizen? Lol, Eff that and them Denizens! I'm sorry for the last time I commented about yourself, I would support ya, but I'm in debt, Covid-19 can kiss off! Stay safe love, I'm not kidding, you have gave me so much in music, all I can give is this ❤️.... I wish I was rich and can support you and others.... That's life I guess.
But can we get an explanation on what Progressive Blackened Symphonic Melodic Atmospheric Drone Doom Death Funeral Grindcore is? I think we could narrow it down a tad, just so that we have all our ducks in a line.
Damn' man, you explained this so well, I already know it, but is great see a video and notice that I understand genres in the same way of another person!! :D /,,/
(Video does not have Cheburashka on the thumbnail) Me clicking on the video chances : 60% (Video with Cheburashka on the thumbnail) Me clicking on the video chances : 100%
If you’re daring, you could also go as far as to say that Nocturnal Depression is simply a band.
And if you were to go even deeper, you might say that Nocturnal Depression is just a group of people
@@nintara3746 since its also dsbm, then they shouldnt be a group of (living people) for long
@@bardolomaios2g301 in that case, it could be said that Nocturnal depression is just a concept
Nintara In truth, the only thing that can be said for sure is that Nocturnal Depression is Nocturnal Depression.
Nocturnal depression is simply a name
Ahh yes my favorite subgenre modifier, "Good".
Its pretty much the most important one tbh it doesn’t matter if its plain old heavy metal or sideways suicidal slimy sandwich technical black thrash core it doesn’t matter if the band is good
It's quite simple really, 1st wave black metal: good. Whatever the fuck Avatar is supposed to be: not good.
You like good metal? You don't even know what good metal is, you fuckin poser.
@@TheRavenEffect88 avatar is extra melodic death metal best way to describe them as far as i know
Sure, there's good black metal, and there's second wave black metal.
"Depressive suicidal black Metal" begs the question if there isn't also a "Happy suicidal black Metal" band
A metal in C major about killing yourself... I would listen to that.
Perhaps it's the long lost cousin of Swedish "bouncy death metal"
Or "Happy Anti-Suicidal White Metal"
Yeah, Happy Days!
I think you'll find it actually *raises* the question. To beg the question is to make a circular argument.
In my eyes sabaton is epic gamer metal
I call it Reddit Metal
@@kabronex9877 furfag metal
Anything becomes metal as long as you play it alongside doom
Unless it's Sabaton
I fucking hate when people call the Battle Metal or whatever... They are my fav band and I am pretty sure I know that they are fucking Power/Heavy Metal, every metal band is different from the others in at least one way but thats not an excuse to make a new sub genre
Calling anything any genre is okay as long as you aren't a 15 year old calling anything with harsh vocals "screamo".
A friend of mine was telling me about how he was educating some girl about metal, because he told her he liked metal, I think he specifically mentioned one band he liked, and she replied with "oh so like screamo?" And his response was something along the lines of "no not all metal is screamo just because it has screaming"
The irony of him claiming to be educating this girl while unironically thinking screamo was an established subgenre almost made me puke. And this dude is in his 20's.
In his defense though, he _did_ have the classification correct in his head, he just was saying screamo when what he actually was talking about was metalcore. He also correctly knew that emo/math-rock was its own genre separate from "screamo", so I gave him a pass as just being ill-informed.
Still took a lot out of me to not smack him, though.
Th3Raz96
That whole entire scandal is cringe as hell, the term “screamo” makes me wanna repeatedly stab myself with a fallen tree branch
@@tarman2752 yeah same, but it's also useful because generally if you hear someone say it unironically then you know you can just disregard them straight off the bat
Th3Raz96 good point. Even if it’s out of irony I ignore anyone who asks “oH yOu LiStEn tO tHaT sCrEaMo MuSiC”
@@Th3Raz96; Are you stating that "screamo" doesn't exist, or that it falls under (metalcore, not metal)?
Either way, I would say it exists[, just not under metal(or metalcore); that person was indeed incorrect][, it just falls under (simultaneously both: hardcore & emo)].
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamo
Calling it "metalcore" doesn't seem as accurate as it was influenced by hardcore punk, not metal.
Screamo falls under punk, not metal; It's fine if you weren't aware of it's existence; I, personally, am more aware of punk than I am of metal.
ua-cam.com/video/s7TVzr5gwSY/v-deo.html
The people who call screamo "any( thing/metal/metalcore/hardcore/punk/rock/genre) with screaming" are incorrect; They're misusing the title of an actual (punk/emo) subgenre.
If Alestorm started singing about something else, Pirate Metal wouldn't be a genre anymore.
Was it ever? Or is pirate metal just a group of disparate bands (all 3 of them) that make pirate-themed metal, regardless of actual genre classification
Alestorm started as a joke, basically. Then went "lolpirates" and now they're sitting back laughing and watching all the pirate bands. And now people are actually upset that they're not taking their pirate gimmick 'seriously' anymore. It's hilarious.
Based
put some respect on Running Wild's name
they do sound like pirates it doesnt matter the lyrics. black sails at midnight is ultimate pirate song, and his vocal sounds like pirate also
oh god fleshiloc is terrifying, why would you give it the gift of meat
alobstersjohnson 'Tis not a gift, yet a curse.
This man is on a roll
Literally
You mean this skeleton
He’s on a rock
it happens to the fat under gravity and non flat ground
With butter
*ANGRY ELITIST SCREAMING*
*sssscccccrrriiii*
All viking metal and pirate metal fans need to see this.
Brothers of metal!
As far as I know, Viking Metal is a real subgenre (Nordic Folk Metal + Black Metal) and not a definition based on lyrics. But maybe (probably) I'm wrong.
@@Fern_2019 you are
You just described it yourself. Viking metal is nothing more than folk metal and black metal bands using viking lyrics. Not a real genre. Music doesn't change, at all
LMAO
I am guilty of neurotically wasting my youth trying to understand everything that's out there.
Currently 40yrs old and still have no idea what's going on? Metal is awesome!!
Oh, Jesus Christ.
🤣
Not quite forty but almost there , still trying to find and categorize all the new good stuff ! It’s a never ending quest my friend , but boy is it epic and dope.
@@gabriellarowden9442 Hell yeah brother
Bruh, this video is so based, it summarized the way I see it too. It kind of annoys me when I see people complaining when they see people discussing about subgenres, they say stuff like "whatever, it's just metal!" or "back in my days we would just call everything metal, nowadays kids blah blah blah". Categorization is important, we apply it literally to everything, but these people try to look down on it when it's applied to music. Why wouldn't we? Our organs have names, car parts have names, there are many genres in literature, cinema etc etc, so why should we refuse to give names to certain genres or types of styles we perceive evolving, branching out of others? There's a reason. Just because you can't recognize these patterns it does not mean other people shouldn't.
Hear hear! How the fuck am i going to tell my friends about this cool song i found if we don't have at least some vocabulary to describe shit. Also, crucify anyone who uses the term "viking metal" or "pirate metal".
@@kookoo9235 what's wrong with saying Viking Metal? Genuinely asking, I've never heard anyone opposed to it as a classification before, I thought it was pretty widely accepted as a legitimate niche subgenre
@@Th3Raz96 Genre's are categorization tools indicating soundstyles. Viking metal is just a niche without typical sound to it. For example "Depressive suicidal black metal" i instantly know what it is supposed to sound like in general, "power metal" i instantly know we're in for a 4/4 pop structure metal song with clean vocals (usually). "Viking" tells me nothing of what it's supposed to sound like and it was first used to refer to the "viking" type songs of bathory back in the day, now it's just "i sing about vikings thus viking metal" type of thing. Genre's are categorization tools and if it doesn't have some specifity to it soundwise, it is useless and thus, not a genre.
For example Amon amarth is supposedly "viking metal" when in fact it is nothing more than slightly heavier melodic death metal with viking lyrics.
TL;DR: Viking metal doesn't have specific sound to it so as a categorization tool it is worthless.
@@kookoo9235 tru tru, makes sense. I honestly never really got into viking stuff beyond literally only listening to a couple Amon Amarth songs, so I guess I just assumed that their sound was what all viking metal sounded like
The thing is, music us way too diferent from one and another because unlike other stuff, music is creativity related, you can even go as far as dividing genres by song because they are different from each other.
I understand the separation from heavy and industrial metal for example, but when you get to "Black suicidal post-grunge death metal", you are speaking nonsense.
Never thought I'd see references to Cheburashka in a video about metal subgenres
Wow didn't even mention blackened jazz funk smh
what like Shining (the Norwegian one)?
@@Chodorovski no that's blackened funk jazz, completely different
You joke, but Arkheth's 12 Winter Moons Comes the Witches' Brew has a lot of Jazz elements to it and I'm sure they aren't the only ones. Not really funk though I suppose
Blackened Jazz Metal is something I want now.
@DanielBx Well this album is especially Jazzy, as it features some sweet saxophone action, and is failry avant-garde, but yes you're right.
I am deep in the Doom-Sauce.
Deep indeed
I like using sub-genre classifications to find bands I like, and when they're used well for marketing, but when people start arguing about them and trying to out-nerd each other I start to resent it.
That's because you're a functional, well adjusted person
You haven't lived until you've seen two grown people get into a fist fight over subgenre classification.
don't go on RYM genre voting shoutboxes then LMAO
There's something to that. For my part, I find it a bit more useful to see comparisons to more famous bands... I find that I tend to get a lot more enjoyment from listening to bands that started out as, for example, Celtic Frost clones before finding their own voice and branching out into directions that would place the bands into a zillion different, seemingly incompatible sub-sub-subgenres (a doom metal band here, black metal band there, symphonic band over hill, gothic metal band over yonder, etc.), than I do from just finding out sub-sub-subgenre and finding all the bands that sound alike within it.
But, it's a YMMV thing, to be sure, and there is something of a place for subgenres in marketing, if you can provide a three-word subgenre title that can communicate more to someone than a paragraph of text.
That we've reached a point where a subgenre name starts fights without communicating any useful information, things have gotten out of hand.
If a sub-sub-subgenre's name is so ridiculous that it chases would-be listeners away, things have gotten out of hand (I'm looking at you, Bat Metal and Epic Depressive Party Clown Metal! It's OK to simply say you're a metal band that plays novelty songs....)
Instructions unclear, just filed Ghost under Brutal New Wave Synth Grind Bedroom Shoegazened Thrash Metal
Your first mistake was listening to Ghost.
@@OddWolf666 yeah they suck so much lmao
Bruh I was showing my brother an All Out War album and I was telling him about how they blend elements from several different subgenres, and when I started trying to describe the black metal influences, this motherfucker said "oh like Ghost?"
And I said
"No.
*FUCK* No.
Ghost sucks, they're not even metal and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I'll show you some _real_ Devil's music"
And then I popped the album in, and we jammed, and he redeemed himself by enjoying it with me.
@@OddWolf666 why is so cool to hate Ghost?
@@terribleflashanimation4215 it's not that it's cool to hate them, they're just not good lol
*insert unfunny overly specific subgenre joke here*
I only listen to (insert giant word salad) 😎😎😎
Why aren’t you guys laughing
Symphonic Post-Apocalyptic Reindeer-Grinding Christ Abusing Extreme War Pagan Fennoscandian Metal. Still waiting for Impaled Rektum to become an actual band and have that in a shirt.
Danny Dircio gojira le whalecore xDD 😂😂
How to start a debate with Metalheads:
Ask them what genre Dissection is.
Jazz fusion
Clearly it is the "great music" -Genre
@@Sarvusify now that we can all agree on
Most people have agreed upon Melodic Black Metal, as with all the other Dissection-worship bands.
@@Kataxu I'd agree, I think they pretty much started the genre too. There's so many great Swedish melodic BM bands from that era Sacramentum, Dawn, Vinterland, Unanimated, Lord Belial, Mörk Gryning, the list goes on
Man I've been listening to rock and roll, and I found this genre called... M E T A L. honestly it sounds groovy worth recommend.
Can you recommend me some bands to get started? METAL sounds pretty heavy to me
@@thomasedwardlawrence9775 I know to sound all norm about it; Judas Iscariot, Elder, Ulver, Pig Destroyer, and Black Sabbath (the scariest of them all🤘).
*head explodes trying to figure out what subgenre you've just discovered*
Goniloc voice fills my earholes with joy thank you child
I consider Amon Amarth to be the perfect example. They get labeled as Viking Metal but insist to be a regular MDM band. Not to mention, "actual" Viking Metal is pretty much a fancy variation for Pagan/Folk Metal.
Eh idk, there is a case for viking metal as a black-ish metal genre with many folky instruments, choirs and epic song writing with a specific atmosphere in mind. Basically what Bathory started and e.g. Moonsorrow continued.
But I don't really care tbh, but yeah you coulldd mayybeeee stretch it for viking metal I suppose.
Viking Metal does not exist. Its just Folk Metal. Bathory is Folk Metal.
Johan Hegg himself stands by the fact that they’re a Melodic Death Metal band.
The funny thing about the name "Melodic death metal" is that it gives the image of Iron Maiden but with death growls.
But the actual subgenre is nothing like that
I consider "Viking Metal" to be a sub-genre of Epic Doom. Late-era Bathory, DoomSword and Scald all could be described as Epic Doom.
Amon Amarth is Melodic Death, and Ensiferium is Power/Folk, they don't sound even close to the Viking bands listed above.
I don't know why people associate Viking Metal with Black Metal, since they are very different styles. It's probably because they were both pioneered by Bathory
This man’s voice soothes and puts me in a state of paranoia at the same time
He kind of sounds like Neil Degrasse Tyson lol
When is the Icelandic Black Metal video coming?
Porno grind vid?
@@YordiSantiagoCortez meme genre.
@@fabricatorzayac pls no
That soviet cartoon is a classic and I grew up watching that
I'm a simple man. When I see Cheburashka in a video thumbnail, I click.
That moment when you mix up blackened death metal and black/death metal or technical thrash metal for progressive speed/thrash metal.
I see you everywhere it seems! I took a glance at your subscriptions and now it all makes sense, we're both subscribed to alot of the same channels.
Have a nice day, brother!🤘🏻
@@sarah.d9409 You too 🤘
Dude. You are like the Justin Y. of metal vids.
What is the difference between Tech thrash and Prog thrash?
@@siddharthdeshmukh8118 What’s the difference between Tech Death and Prog Death?
3:15 ngl, Melodic Technical Blackened Death Metal sounds kinda cool
Gates of Ishtar...?
Fallujah is kinda 'that', but also kinda 'that'-core
Undeceived-era Extol? In Vain? Brotthogg? Firelink? Fragarak? Warpstone? Slugdge (of course, with sludge components)? Crow Black Sky? Hands of Despair? Iapetus? Fractal Gates? Shylmagoghnar? Vintersea?
Mephistopheles? Enfold Darkness? Vale of Pnath? Xoth?
I’d argue artificial brain, but sarpanitum definitely fits that bill.
Slayer is in the slayer genre.
God listens
To Slayer
Slayyyyererrrrrr!
you could've just said "viking metal" out loud
Aren’t there a few bands that could actually fit that like mid era bathory and ensiferum? I don’t know if it’s enough to warrant a genre tho and everyone talking about how Amon Amarth and other image focused bands being Viking metal give me a tumor though.
@@vincenzoaureo6060 Bathory is 1st wave BM and Ensiferum is power metal. The two don't even sound similar to each other, so lumping them into the same genre would be useless for recommending to people.
Bathory changed to Folk Metal. Viking Metal does not exist.
@@Kapitan_Pazur There is a minimal amount of folk instrumentation on Twilight of the Gods. To Enter Your Mountain is the archetypal folk metal song. That said, we're dealing with a period where Bathory was changing subgenres every album. A lot of the viking era stuff was epic heavy/doom metal like a mix of Manowar and Solstice.
Idk if you could consider viking metal a genre because there just aren't many bands that play it, to me it's like a mixture of black metal, folk and epic doom metal, but I know when someone says viking metal they're talking about Hammerheart era Bathory so you could just say that instead of viking metal, there's good bands that take from that sound, like Hades from Norway which has a lot of Hammerheart influence but a lot more on the black metal side rather than folk/epic doom. You have also a bunch of doom bands that take from it, for example: Scald's Will of the Gods is Great Power sounds like Hammerheart without the black metal influence, same with Doomsword though Doomsword adds a lot of Candlemass in the mix, Atlantean Kodex also takes a lot from this sound but also has some Manowar and other epic doom bands. You can notice the similarities almost immediately.
Scald: ua-cam.com/video/KZF1pGFLf1o/v-deo.html (one of the greatest doom songs ever IMO)
Atlantean Kodex: ua-cam.com/video/RcNxKVuPGcU/v-deo.html (0:54 is straight up Hammerheart worship)
Doomsword: ua-cam.com/video/daKHovByLJ4/v-deo.html
Flawless, goniloc out here serving facts
Technically, metal is a sub genre of rock and roll.
Not a lie alot
*ironic Goniloc voice* True, but a bit pointless to mention. Someone recently mentioned heavy metal being a direct offspring of acid rock (which itself obviously is born from rock and roll), and that blew my mind as it explains a lot about the difference between (early) heavy metal and hard rock. Especially helps explain why hard rock has hardly changed in all those years and heavy metal has mutated far beyond what it started as.
@@deektedrgg well, so I guess drugs do enhance your mind and can make you revolutionize music
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Cheburashka Metal - that's all what we need!
It's got to be Trve Soviet Cheburashka Metal; none of the watered-down, post-Glasnost stuff
Make a follow up about the prefix 'Experimental'
Or the abuse of "jazz" as a descriptor
@@InfamousQwaQwaFruit yeah...people who don't listen to jazz end up describing their wanky, nonsensical chord progressions and atonal soloing as "jazz influences"
Finally, I feel validated for my sub genre-ing
I'm a simple man, I see Belketre shouted out I click like.
His voice is asmr without even trying
Instructions unclear BTS is now Speed Funeral Doom Metal.
A kpop label is listed on the metal encyclopedia
wtf dude BTS is Suicidal Jazzcore groove stoner indie metal
Take this for engagement; fuckin love Candlemass, super underrated.
Is that little character in the thumbnail the cheburashka from an old russian tv show?
Yes, it's from the old Soviet cartoon series "Cheburashka and Crocodile Gena"
I love this channel so much
2:13
''If you don't care, you don't have to. And if you do care, you can cater your obsessive behavior to reflect only the music that you love the most.''
- Goniloc 2020
We all needed this video actually.
Goniloc, you are helping me derive what metal I need and how I should listen to it. Two things I've had trouble specifying.
Thank you.
This is my favorite video of yours. this was so spot on. You're fucking awesome 🤘
subscribed!
i love these sort of videos! have a beautiful day too
I'm Russian and I haven't thought about Cheburashka since I was very young and seeing it in the thumbnail made me spiral into a google search fit trying to remember what it was called lol
These videos are just....perfection.
I love u goniloc.. great point.
Glad this popped up in my recommended. Nice work, like the vid
THANK YOU!!! I often use the phrase, "Lyrical themes do not a genre make," when people talk about "Pirate Metal"
thank you 'lic, you're quickly becoming one of the best metal channels on yt
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you. You talk everything.
This is pure gold. You made a video about this, so now I don't have to. Hahaha
Songs about Death.. ha ha .. epic man! Love your channel.
I try to understand it all, even the stuff I'm not that into, but I've made peace with the fact that I'm inevitably going to get stuff wrong.
Love your videos goniloc and I agree with your stance. Music is a personal journey and its about your journey as an individual not what everyone else is worried about
Thanks. Great vid.
Another solid video.
God I love you. Your videos are 10/10
Man, your references make me ecstatic! I think I'm ready to admit that you're the best extreme metal youtuber out there. To my taste, at least.
And yeah , the whole "cheburashka" passage was inspired. Much love from Russia
Oh Goniloc, you brighten my internet!
Thanks for making this, Goniloc. Definitely important to address in the metal community. Also, this is only my first time hearing about Cheburashka, but I do want to make a progressive metal album about the Moomins. Thought that may peak your interest. 😉😂
Great video! A strong explanation of why & how sub-genres matter (or don't) in the metal community.
Appreciate this video! Genres can get really annoying, which is why I try to be generally simplistic with how I classify stuff. I do understand why people go out of their way with it though, but I feel that in doing that, you're forgetting what the main purpose of music is supposed to be: enjoyment.
You had me at "lyrical themes do not define a genre"
Now I’m actually expecting some sort of video in a few days where is a literal test of different styles and asking us to guess genres now. I’m studying hard damn it!
I had a record I downloaded (the human abstract's first joint) once labeled as sporadic screamcore. There was a rush in the early -core days to coin a unique genre to your bands to absurd degrees. Cephallic Carnage once called themselves rocky mountain hydrogrind as a joke, as an example.
Also, first.
oh yeah I remember that! that was kinda fun for a time, like 'oh, we're playing raisincore', 'yeah we're a cybercrabcore band', until everyone remembered that band names are already meant for being unique and genre tags are for sorting music
This video is a concise description of conversations I've had over the years on the internet since 2005.
"Gimme fue, gimme fai, gimme dabajabazah!" - Marty Friedman, drummer of Slayer
i always watch these videos twice. Once to watch the video and the second to look up the albums that I don’t know lol
Elderwind for Atmospheric Black Metal. Very nice.
Two videos in one day never thought
No scary outro Goniloc theme :( ? Damn, the lesson of this video must have been really really urgent.
You're a good guy, Goniloc
I can't believe you put Cauldron Born in this video. Great band and underrated as hell.
Nice to see the shout out to Melechesh. One of my favorite bands.
You literally put my thoughts into Words.
Thanks Ramsey.
I'm back dummy, love your voice! *Poke* *poke* *poke*, you make my playlist proud!
All in a day’s work, citizen
@@Goniloc Citizen? Lol, Eff that and them Denizens! I'm sorry for the last time I commented about yourself, I would support ya, but I'm in debt, Covid-19 can kiss off!
Stay safe love, I'm not kidding, you have gave me so much in music, all I can give is this ❤️.... I wish I was rich and can support you and others.... That's life I guess.
Senna I’m not sure that I ever got that other comment you’re referencing, but your support in any form is always appreciated 🙏 cheers, mama
But can we get an explanation on what Progressive Blackened Symphonic Melodic Atmospheric Drone Doom Death Funeral Grindcore is?
I think we could narrow it down a tad, just so that we have all our ducks in a line.
I'm just happy to be here
I really wish you only the best
Nice too see somebody else out their that now and/or like cauldron born
Thanks for introducing me into nocturnal Depression tru dark ness they are now part of my daily drive to and from work.
A very good and interesting video. You should make a film about the Polish black metal scene. This is a very fascinating topic.
The best introductions in all of UA-cam
God your voice is soothing
Best metal channel ever
That cheburashka on the cover tho😂😂 i didn’t know someone outside of post soviet countries would know about that
So you’re saying shut up and enjoy the music?
More specifically, stop complaining about people categorizing music, unless they're categorizing them by gimmicks/lyrical themes.
@@CommunistRainbowdash So arbitrary classification is fine as long as it's not the arbitrary classification that you've chosen to disallow?
I watched Cheburashka cartoons as a kid, so I'm going to DM you fr fr
We are blessed to be alive in the age of Goniloc. I will be sad the day you stop uploading, I hope it isn't soon
Gonilocmis my favourite ASMR channel
Nice placement of the Myspbirming album cover. Fucking love those guys
Damn' man, you explained this so well, I already know it, but is great see a video and notice that I understand genres in the same way of another person!! :D /,,/
Best video ever
2:20 All hail the Reverend!
Also, Corrupted Cover Art: Reverend Bizarre - how about it?
(Video does not have Cheburashka on the thumbnail) Me clicking on the video chances : 60% (Video with Cheburashka on the thumbnail) Me clicking on the video chances : 100%