Hank Haney's Thoughts on the PGA Decline & McIlroy Not Joining the PGA Board (5/9)
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- On this episode of The Hank Haney Podcast, Hank shares his thoughts on the PGA Tour decline. He also talks about Rory McElroy not joining the PGA Tour Policy Board. Join Hank, LIVE & INTERACTIVE on NoFilter.net!
The Aussie Liv 3 days Party Comp was very entertaining !
LIV is a better product right now. It’s more fun and has been production and I love that I can watch it in like 3 hours versus the PGA event is four days long and takes like 5 hours to watch and the pace is so much slower
Pay those players more money 💰 and I’ll watch…
4 million is mere pittance…
Up the Ante to $150 or 200 million and then we’ll see who can play.
I'm curious -- what kind of drugs are you on?
Hank, the simple truth is that the current tour players and the majority on the board love the tour as it is, bigger money than in the past and less competition. No way that they want the LIV players back for that reason. The only way that they agree to let LIV come back and reunite is if they are forced to do so by the event sponsors and TV networks informing them that they will no longer tolerate these watered down boring events. As for the 100 million to Tiger and 50 million to Rory, this is not real money. These are stock options vesting over 8 years based on a PGA tour value of 14 billion when the tour is worth less than 2 billion now as I understand it.
It’s a scam basically, the stock propositions
@@SiLoMixMasteror to be kind, it’s a publicity stunt with no details provided to the public. You don’t see any of the players commenting because they know the truth.
There's only one person responsible for this divide in professional golf, and that's Jay Monahan!
The moment he said he would ban players I was out
Yep
Trump knows.
Biden knows too.
I’m 65 and no longer even watch the PGA after 50 years, if I watch golf it’s LIV or You Tubers like Good Good and offshoots.
Spot on, Hank. Tiger is on the board which means, Tiger IS the board because none of those guys will dare cross him. Tiger has zero desire to strike a deal because, to do so, would disrupt his phoney Simulator Golf League. Rory wants to cut a deal. Tiger doesn’t want to cut a deal. That’s why Rory wasn’t allowed back on the board.
Shotgun starts, 3 days and I can digest it all, i know who is playing every week. Relegation. Transfer windows, team play. All of it
The only reason the PIF is involved is bc Yasir is a huge golf buff. Add Greg and Phil in the mix and voila, we get LIV Golf!
I am 75 years old and old school. I have been watching LIV and enjoying it. I love the team aspect. I wish they would play better music. Half of the PGA’s schedule is boring because of the participants. So we all watch the majors and LIV the other weeks.
I agree with you HH. I have been watching LiV and enjoy it. Golf needed something new and LIV is trying to do that. PGAT has terrible leadership and are stuck in the past. Boring players. Boring product.
LIV understands that pro golf is entertainment
This is the first time I've listened to Hank since he was on Sirius XM PGA Tour Radio. I'll tell you this: no one makes me laugh harder and puts it as plainly as Hank does. If the PGA Tour wanted to get its ratings up and reach a new audience, it would carve time out of its tournament broadcasts for this guy. Jack Whitaker used to be that guy for ABC, albeit in a much more varnished way, but people loved his frank insights into both the tournament he was covering and the game itself. Hank, I hope if they were to give you a shot that you'd take it. Until then, keep up the good work on these!
When I watch Golf it is LIV, not PGA. I'm not joining some network to watch PGA.
It's so nice hearing someone who understands how stupid it sounds when people complain about the 54 holes, music, shotgun starts, etc. Especially for families with young children, the shorter day makes so much sense. You also can be sure that "your player" will be on the course on whatever day you attend. It just makes so much sense.
Perfect my wife and I will watch LIV in the middle of the night. I was watching pga some but any time I hear shambles voice I’m changing the channel 😉⛳️😇😊
Brilliant analysis by Hank!
Didn't Greg Norman come up with the "World Tour" idea?
Seems like 2/3 PGA tournaments I watch on TV are filled with no names. My wife and I are like “who are these guys?”.
If I wanted to watch a Korn Ferry event, then I’d tune in to it. I want to see the best PGA players but they are not showing up week in and week out.
Still watch PGA every once in awhile with the sound down of course ,
Great sports needs rivalries to have huge success...Lakers vs Celtics, Cowboys vs Steelers, Federer vs Nidal, etc...where is that in the PGA today? You have Scheffler and no one else...
Why would they give Rory money in an amount right behind Tiger? Dude isn’t even relevant and hasn’t won a major in 10 years. Scottie is the face of the Tour. Morikawa has also been way more relevant. Same thing for Speith. Barely makes cuts anymore.
Looks like Rory is coming back, he just won his second in a row
I think it's time people start thinking like adults and see things as they are and not what they wish it to be.
Tours should stay separate and it's up to each tour to make its tour better to retain or attract golfers to it. Maybe get PIF to take over the European Tour and attempt to make it as good as it was back in the 80's and 90's...independent from the PGA!
- LIV golfers have contracts. They can't just up and leave. If Golfer A got $100 mil for a 5-year contract and has only played 1 year, will he really pay back $80 mil to go play on the PGA tour?
- The tours have different formats and LIV has a team element.
- PGA made its bed when they accepted the SSG deal. How can anybody even expect Yasir to invest his "blood money" (what they called the PIF money) into PGA when LIV Golf is treated as it is? You can't have your bread buttered on both sides...PGA golfers made the decision to stay on PGA and now they should live with the consequences (and less money) or try to get a contract with LIV...easy as pie.
- PGA has realized that their product is weaker without the top golfers that went to LIV. PGA has fewer viewers now. PGA won't be able to negotiate the same type of deals with advertisers, sponsors, and TV bosses now with those golfers not on their tour anymore. So they should also maybe start to accept that their role has diminished and beggars can't be choosers. The PGA needs LIV golfers....LIV doesn't need the PGA, LIV golfers just want to play in Majors.
- LIV golfers can't just go and play on PGA events and the same goes for PGA golfers. The only thing in my mind that can happen is if the PGA and LIV negotiate events to be added in which the golfers from different tours can compete against each other. LIV golfers will not sign up to go play 30 to 40 weeks in a year again...just saying
How: The Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup rotate. So I would suggest scrapping the Presidents Cup but not the team. Then you are left with the USA team, the European team, and the Presidents Cup team. Add a LIV team and the 4 teams can play against each other in a Ryder Cup-type tournament in a Round Robin at the end of the year to determine the winner. That would get enough viewers and push ratings. Maybe Yasir can be convinced to put up the money for such a tournament.
- And lastly, the Majors should look at their criteria for invites. If the Majors can at least appear to be independent from PGA as they are supposed to be, and they invite the top 20/25 LIV golfers (excluding those with Major exemptions), the LIV fans might start supporting the majors again and this hate between the tours can start subsiding. The different tours should also have their own ranking system just like the PGA has the OWGR...and the Majors can use the tour's ranking to decide who they invite.
Hank, it is great to hear someone speaking the truth; golf is on the rise, it's the PGA tour that is on the decline. $3 billion is a lot to pay for a Pro-am.
Every single purse should be 3 billion.
Then the American Voters will watch.
Hank I love you but there are lot’s of us that will watch LIV in the middle of the night because we love the guys on the LIV and in Australia Spain and Asia and Africa there is a growing demand for LIV
LOVE YOU HANK!!!!!!!!!!
Hank I am your age ,the PGA is stuck in 1929...same old same old.....every league has modernized with the times ....not the PGA...average PGA watcher is 68yrs old,LIV average is 45yrs old that's a problem for the PGA..
As a LPGA professional, the Phoenix Open wasn't dull. Other than Scotty, the no,-names have dominated this yrs tourneys... It's almost impossible to win weekly try shooting 9 under consistently... every PGA tour player can shoot 67 but 4 days of 65-67 pretty hard....
@@944cloguethe lpga is the most
Compelling golf brand current.
I like the innovations of liv. But I hate the state of golf including the majors
The main business difference is LIV understands that pro golf is in the entertainment industry....PGAT does understand that
@@pauljcross2289 good point. Generations of pros playing 72 hole events with a cut. They can’t imagine anything else except what has always been.
The ratings are down because they slam you with commercials every 5 minutes
LIV kind of reminds me of the USFL....Billionaires started their own NFL, stole players, tried to make a new league, at worst hoped some of their teams might get absorbed into the NFL and then it died...The Saudis are not stupid...at some point LIV has to turn a profit or merge with the PGA, or they will go somewhere else with their money.
First time viewer and I share your opinions on where the PGAT is at the moment. I suggest the simplest solution would be to adopt the 4 LIV events in the US and have PIF sponsor these. Similarly they host 4 DPT events (wherever) and then host 6 events in the pacific / Asian areas it wants including Saudi Arabia. Seems perfectly reasonable and allows rostered players (ie the 48 players to play as teams and possibly 2 teams as sponsor exemptions / PGAT or DPT … it’s just common sense
LIV was just supposed to be a few elevated events that PIF would foot the bill for. That's it. That's all it was supposed to be. And PGAT could run it. Instead, they issued a ban, no OWGR points and are sanctioning golf courses that host LIV events. IOW, PGAT went full nuclear. So PIF had to give large sums of money to get people to play in their events. Note that it's not an exclusive contract. It's only to guarantee they have players in their events. They can still play in PGAT or wherever else. Only reason they're not playing in PGAT is because of the ban by PGAT.
Unfortunately I don't think anyone in LIV wants to go back anymore except for maybe a few PGAT events. PGAT and Monahan screwed things up big time and it's all their fault for everything that happened. Just get rid of the ban and everything goes back to normal.
50 million to the PIF is like a bucket of golf balls to the average person.
Nice background Hank! Betting on sports!!?? Ok Hank!!
Hank Haney turning into an old crass dude
Who needs t.v. golf when UA-cam has Ron Chopper?
Your podcast is not on UA-cam TV; it is on UA-cam
The Problem is Simple…
PAY these guys What they are worth…
4 or 5 million for THREE days of Golf is chicken feed….
Up the Ante some….
Say like $10,000,000 per round per player…
That otta do it….
Peoples love Idols…
Pay the Players more and raise the ticket price to $20,000 or so and maybe a thou to park and 100 bux per hot dog.
That should do it…
Play music and loop Pink Floyd MONEY 💰
Betting, music,alcohol is what drives fans!?
Golf needs a season..say Mar-Sept.
They do have a season . December through January lol
I think the tour is just fine. I could care less that’s it’s down 25%. The fans sure showed up at Quail Hallow.
I think these players are making way too much money away from the course to ever feel like they need to play better. The only guys playing on the tour are trying to make a living. Most of the good players that are in their 35-40 year old range, aren't needing to win again. I hope the new guys displace these uninterested talents soon with hungry attitudes and games that make them irrelevant.
I think golf needs to be made more challenging at the professional level to make it entertaining again. Equipment has significantly narrowed the skill gap between professional players making it harder for superstars to arise. Also it has funneled every player into playing golf the same way, bomb and gouge, with no variety in play style and thus lack of variety in personality. It is generally boring to watch because everyone practically does the same thing on every hole.
Give them multiple ways to win tournaments and test all skills required to play the game. The more challenging the sport becomes the fewer number of people that stand out which leads to the development of superstars. Then you will have your clash of superstars again and the occasional underdog stories that everyone loves, which brings back the entertainment value.
It's not a PGA decline, it's golf. It's like horse racing. They're not built to be watched in the current day. It's not as if anyone is watching the DP World Tour or LIV either. It's golf.
LIV is growing, UA-cam golf is growing, PGAT numbers are dwindling. That’s the facts now.
@@SiLoMixMaster Not in the U.S. homie. More people watch NCAA women's volleyball than LIV. That's facts as well.
@@DaringDanfor 5 minutes.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 Go look at the numbers LIV did in Miami for their championships. Facts, homie. It's a remedial google search away. It's not as if I'm here saying the PGA is doing well. I'm not. I'm merely saying that it's golf as a whole.
Just because it doesn't fit y'alls narrative you can't handle it.
@@DaringDan I don’t have a narrative. LIv is growing. That’s a fact. No one ever said their traditional tv ratings or any ratings were off the charts. They have challenges. But they are growing through them.
Keep an eye on those Google numbers. I expect the numbers for each event to grow season on season.
Quit saying “ L-I-V”….its LIV
Saudi investment fund definitely needs to add $ to their portfolio.
They only currently have $900,000,000,000 in cash.
They need just a wee bit more.
Phil was the golfer I wanted to watch not tiger
There's TOO much money in these sports so no one is really HUNGRY! They all feed at the trough so why would anyone feel the need to go out and light it up week after week to become the SUPERSTAR the PGA needs??
HH I always appreciate you speaking the truth. If we had more straight shooters in golf there would be less nonsense going on 😂 Boys crying around about not enough $
You don't have to be a genius to figure out what's going on in professional golf.
First, LIV golf's tv viewership is terrible. Dismal.
The LIV golf tour looks hokey - they wear shorts, the team thing is a joke. Who cares? Music - give me a break. Next they will be drinking beer and riding in carts. Hokey.
Second, the PGA Tour is a product - think of a TV series. A TV series that just lost a large number of its stars. What do you think happens to its viewership? In the tank. Simple.
Duh.
Maybe Rory will have a monster year and he brings back fans like this past weekend
BTW. Comparing LIV and the PGA Tour is comparing apples and oranges. The real golf Tour has to deal with economic realities and therefore has to make a profit while the 9/11 Saudis have our oil dollars to burn and can throw them away on their clown show. But Hank, the self-imagined sage, blathers on and on.....
Hank, call it LIV not L-I-V. It`s the coolest game in town. I`m 65 and love it. PGA is BORING. Scheffler whooping up on no names. Sponsors will drop like Bryson`s 40 footer to shoot 58 !!!!!
PGAT is dying slowly by a million cuts, LIV and the end of tiger being at the front (not to mention only wet fish wallpaper stars left in thomas, Homa, Cantlay, Scotty and co, great players but no personalities tiger had it all). Giving the players power in decision making, despite it making sense, ultimately is flawed as they are by their nature only concerned with their own lot, it is human nature (rory excluded they are not in it for the sport). LIV will continue to grow, Rory will go next. America is not the end of the universe and that was always the inevitable outcome of holding world golf to hostage, once someone had more money which is PIF, the foundations would crumble. I have completely stopped watching PGAT and only watch LIV and have become fully engaged in all aspect of the teams, the shot gun, the season points etc etc.... In truth if I had the choice of watching LIV or a major I would watch LIV, but I will still be watching the majors, but PGAT is firmly in sunset, I do enjoy watching LPGA. Also watch Asian tour elevated events and some of the scenic DP ones.
Scenic pga tour events also. Hilton head. Pebble. Riv. And a few others.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 Agreed, the classic courses that pre date PGAT are awesome and need to be involved in any global tour, quail hollow as well, but beyond that many of the courses the PGAT play on are PGAT owned stadium courses that are flat boring and designed for bombing and chipping.
strict DGE , i bet
Golf ratings are down because Tiger is not Tiger anymore. He was the only golfer who got the non golf fan to watch. It’s not the pga and it’s not liv. Golf is back where it was before he came along.
The dropping numbers are compared to last year when Tiger played less than this year.
Except for a miracle in 2018-2019, Tiger hasn’t been relevant since 2013.
@@2Thes22 it wasn’t a miracle. He was getting healthy.
You can have LIV if you want to, but it’s a boring product that doesn’t make sense with this team idea. The sellout to the Saudi’s is the death knell of professional golf.
Funny you say that. I think the PGAT is extremely boring. TV coverage only shows a couple of players (most of whom have no personality), your favorite player may not make the cut, it takes all day, etc.
Sorry Hank, but music on the course sounds terrible. It's like the house music playing at the gym which can destroy a workout. Peace and Quiet Sometimes.. Ahhh...
We listen to music now and then playing. Maybe it doesn’t work. But as least they r trying new things
no music please go to a concert if you want that. Golf is good because of the traditions
Nothing wrong with music on the course you old dinosaur😅😅😅
Hank, if you had ever played as Ben Hogan did, you wouldn’t be shooting your mouth off.
Yet, u r listening
First of all LIV is terrible who wants to watch a bunch of 40 year olds who could never win again on the PGA tour . The reason people are not watching is they know something bad is coming to America and golf is not as important anymore .
The PGA tour is fine and still highly profitable. Thousands of fans at every tournament still. Only the media keeps fabricating and exaggerating a problem.
I guess anyone can get a podcast these days if this waste of time has one!
What a waste of 20 or 30 minutes
I am an avid golfer. The money grab by the players, taking money from the Saudi, which in my opinions, blood money. That is why the ratings are down. People are out golfing more than ever, and the ratings are down. Figure it out. It’s pretty simple.
Guys like you don't know what you are talking about. The PGA Tour has 38 sponsors that do business with Saudi Arabia. The PGA Tour also supports and owns the PGA Tour China. You don't say a word about that. All you is spew the typical blood money bullshit comment.
What is your definition of "blood money"? I hear that trope thrown around all the time, but I don't think anyone knows what they are talking about.
USA isn’t a moral nation
I'm going to echo other comments as I am 70 year old golfer who stopped watching the PGA during COVID years. I DO watch LIV. As long as Jay Monahan "leads" the PGA tour, I'll never return. He is a proven liar.
PGA tour players are interchangeable no names. JT, Spieth, Day, etc have all flamed out as they became wealthy family men. LIV has a greater variety of players, better ideas, better leadership, better announcers 🤷🤷🤷
Golf needs to follow every other sport and have a waiver wire. You are not playing well 🤔 you get released and a Asian tour, Latin American tour, Hogan/Nike/Korn Ferry guy gets called up. Trades are a part of the game now.
Went to Liv Adelaide was great .Watched AK and Rahm was really enjoyable whole setup making golf modern .But at same time pga good too 4round traditional golf is great too they should merge ⛳️🏌️