So I had a conversation with an INTJ, and on the topic of ‘being with yourself’, she didn’t seem to get it. So I put up the following chunk, which admittedly blends multiple attitudes, but I think sounds similar to what this lecture discusses: “In every person, there exists a copy of yourself psychologically. When you are quiet, it will whisper things into your ears. When you are alone, it will talk about how you are unloved. When you are happy, it will say you never deserved this. Most people reject this part of themselves. They will say “You are not me!” and continue to throw everything they do not want to associate with this other self. They will ascribe all the qualities they despise to this self, and they will loathe and shun it, trying to be everything it is not. And then this other self grows from the negativity, and grows, and grows, until one day, it overpowers the person psychologically, and that is where we observe the breakdown of a person. Maybe they get some major illness. Maybe they become suicidal. Maybe they just don’t seem like themselves anymore. But in the end, if you try to throw out this other self, it will come back stronger and angrier. But if you take the time to sit and listen to it, you will begin to see that it is the wounded part of yourself, the part which was put down or damaged by its past, and it echos that which other people have been telling it, whether through your parents’ voices, your teachers’ voices, peers, loved ones. And it will be disturbing, because this is the ugliest side of yourself, the one you don’t want to face. But if you dare to listen to it, if you dare to try to comfort it as a parent to a hurt child, eventually, it will start to be better. It will start to sound more positive. It will become something you might very well want to be around. This is what it means to be with yourself, that you see your deepest darkest fears, and wants, and desires, and actions, and that you accept them, and acknowledge that yes, you are flawed, you are broken in some ways, and that’s alright. If you can help it heal, and help it grow, you will find you will be at peace with yourself, because that other self? It’s also you.”
@The Box Try watching his "How to personality type anyone" and "What is the temperament Matrix" videos. With fictional characters it's tricky when compared to real people because the writers probably aren't familiar with Jungian psychology + there could be writing inconsistencies/bad writing etc.
28:29 Ti demon (ISFP, INFP) 31:24 Fe demon (ESTJ, ENTJ) 33:58 Fi demon (ISTP, INTP) 25:56 Te demon (ESFJ, ENFJ) 35:15 Si demon (INTJ, INFJ) 39:28 Ne demon (ESTP, ESFP) 40:28 Ni demon (ISTJ, ISFJ) 42:48 Se demon (ENTP, ENFP)
great job with time stamping. Allowed me to go over and over again to grasp the pseudo-logic of making the deal with the devil for each type. And eradicate this 'ideas' from my toolbox of thoughts at hand. Plus remember how important it is to show appreciation, compassion, understanding when someone is vulnerable or beaten down, when they are in need of wise! support (alert: do not slip into codependancy! or into fuelling victim playing narcissist! :)
In chronologic order: 25:45 Te E-FJs, listen or destroys structure 28:29 Ti I-FPs, value opinions, or traps 31:24 Fe E-FJs, don't shame, or denies love 33:58 Fi I-TPs, respect, or will implode 35:15 Si IN-Js, be loyal, or won't be loyal 39:28 Ne ES-Ps, options or ends future 40:28 Ni IS-Js, show interest or debauched 42:50 Se EN-Ps, keep comfy or chaos world. 47:45 Epilogue
Fi demon is so sad . It's basically if no one else cares about me I don't either . All the other rest are bout destroying the world bcz it is not accepted . INTP here Was hoping it would be something bad ass 😂😂
Fi demon isn't sad in itself. It's sad when someone has no one they care about. We hate to give attention to our feelings when it comes to making decision because they are very strong, unstable and repressed. But if someone is menacing our tribe (Fe), we will become savages. Fi demon can break any presupposed moral framework, it's also why we are a crazy open to new ideas. I'm talking murder, incest, cannibalism.. Whatever serves you.
Say it ain't so! Cannibalism? I know I go along to get along--and that is a sure sign of no moral compass, but I've always hoped that I would stop short of incest, cannibalism, murder and the like.
@@annhinz6326 I hope that you do if you so wish, even though it wouldn't affect us very much if you are an INTP you will see it as justified. Murder is the easy one to accept as it literally encompasses self-defense. For cannibalism the fact that it was practiced in ancient societies means we have it in us. If I recall incest as close to brother-sister was practiced successfully by Egyptians when the genes were purged free of mutations. Maybe you'll be surprise where our creativity can stretch to when our 4th slot Fe gets impeded. Having no one to care for is the saddest of all the topics I mentioned.
@@jonathanreave8558 I have been fortunate in my life that when my life fell apart in my younger more immature years I did have an infant son to take care of. I'm sure the responsibility of caring for him and a supportive family kept my demon at bay. Although I identify as an intp, my reaction became more of the debauchery type of behavior. Now I feed it by playing spider solitaire and quilting. But I can quit any time! Honest!
@@jonathanreave8558 I certainly agree that not caring about anyone is indeed the saddest of all. Seems to me that one would come that conclusion by concluding that no one cares for oneself which is very sad indeed. Therefore, although it's a pain in the ass much of the time, smiling at people and asking how they are doing, telling them you care, giving a positive word is so worth the time and energy fellow intps. I believe that's part of Chase's reason for doing all this. When you go out of your way to show you care, people generally care back. Maybe not who you want, but someone will.
I think everyone in the community is grateful for everything you have done. I would like to express my gratitude for developing my values as an infp. Your channel is no doubt one of the best source of learning i have ever found till this day.
Every of your lecture is full of wisdom, but i wonder how to attract people, how can i get others listen to those wisdom when they are not really care about this interpersonal and intrapersonal studies as much as the community does
Hey man I just wanna say I really really appreciate the amount of effort and time you put into these videos. I've gotten so much more information through you than any other place on the web about the cognitive functions. It's really awesome to see someone put work into something they love to do because it truly shows. Thanks :)
@@zeroangelmk1 Although I think an ISTJ makes more sense. The responsibility of the Te parent would make all the reference points and organization and Si hero would be able to remember every little thing chase says (Te could also "read" Chases Ti mind. The ENFP/ESTP subconcious and Uncouncious would make it pretty good at selling the idea, and It would also be really funny for the white board to be a SJ.
I've got an addition for an INTP going Fi Demon mode on him/herself: Ti hero concludes with unshakeable, impecable logic: I am a horrible person. Fi demon: Self destruction sequence initiated. Been doing that for the past 3 years without realizing until an INFJ pointed it out to me. Bless him.
Im an ISTP and currently living what you described. I feel horrible and worthless. Comparing my apparently shit and boring life of ISTP to the deep, authentic and interesting life of INFP sister
And it happens though what Chase said. Logical interpretation of constant Fe insecurity due to mistreatment and others rejecting the Si child from ever being comfortable and safe and feel like the INTP is doing its Ti/Fe duty to help others by giving them the truth. Si remembers, Ti makes sense of it and Fe feels useless. Ne realises everyone has the same idea of the INTP so there's no hope for change. Every single person doesn't like me and this will continue no matter what I do (Ne) because my past is full of examples despite me trying hard (Si). This makes me feel useless and without value (Fe). Therefore I must be a bad person and not loveable or worthwhile (Ti). The only option is to either accept that and live as a shell, deny it and go insane slowly, or replace Ti with demon Fi to reject Fe and Ti. This changes the paradigm Every single person doesn't like me and I don't care because they don't matter to my goals and desires (Ni) because I can do whatever I want right now (Se). This makes me feel like I can achieve anything because I know exactly what to do now and no obstacle can stop me (Te). Therefore other people are bad for making me feel useless and constantly treating me like I'm nothing (Fi)
What I love about psychology is how much complex the brain is, it took me some years to figure out where my insecurity came from, and turns out it was just my brain tricking me. That's why I'm so focused on communications as I understand how simple sentence can trigger someone (and also me) without intentions, and as I've been studying typology with your channel (now it'll be almost a year yay!), everything makes much sense now! It was hard and at the same time fascinating to realize we're much of the time kind of sabotaging ourselves. But at the same time, just like you said, we have to earn that wisdom, experience difficulty in life to develop ourselves! Thank you so much for sharing so much knowledge with us! :D
Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" is the best example of what an INTP becoming demonic looks like. Raskolnikov, the protagonist, literally isolates himself too much from humanity and invents his own morals (finds no problem with killing a person because he can logically justify why the person he ends up killing is not just useless but even counter-productive to society). Basically, instead of relying on Fe feedback, he gives himself feedback and elects himself as the most superior human being and the biggest genius, allowing himself to transgress any law. Peterson mentioned something about this too when he said that even the highest person in the hierarchy must obey the ultimate ideal (which cannot be located inside the hierarchy), and if the most superior person in the hierarchy ever kills the ultimate ideal and transgresses the ultimate law, the whole system collapses.
I don't think INTPs can value someone's life by judging someones usefulness for society. That's totalitarian "logic", highly subjective. Characteristic to xNTJs.
@@mmkkad Any type can get any conclusion. INTPs can be really utilitarian, Fe has this "greater happiness mindset to it", and utilitarianism is basically totalitarianism in the end.
im an INFJ and was stuck in my super ego for something like 4 years, it was nearly impossible to come out of it, literal fucking tear when u started talking about it, well done. wish i could like the video more than once. Rewatch timestamps :) Possession 22:05 Si demon 35:15
INFP - I will never forget when my work best friend, INTP, actually told me mid-conversation “no one cares what you think” - I completely shut down. Not only did it hurt me on a personal level because he’s one of my closest friends, but it definitely made me question if I wanted to ever share my thoughts on certain topics again. This is before I really even began to understand my personality type and cognitive functions. You are now arming me with some positive ways to work through the negative sides of my personality and I appreciate it!
I'm and INFP have an INFJ friend who just runs around using his Ti child on my poor Te inferior criticizing it and basically calling me stupid and literally doesn't give a shit about what I think I can understand you dude but yk just patience and basically subconscious helps it
Thats very immature.I'm intp as an intp can get I've been through hell I got stabbed 34 times I get permanent muscle damage everywhere on my body but I see I was like that before I faced the darkest realms we intps need to suffer much more than other types to understand life but when we get it usually a revolution happens
Here's a story for you. As an INFP I was working as a computer programmer (leaning heavily on my inferior Te function). The guy who was in charge of the technical environment was a very obnoxious ESTJ who had to tell everyone exactly what to do and, of course, never listened or acknowledged that anyone else had a brain. He was constantly insulting toward me. That guy drove me straight to my demon function and I actually conjured my demon in the form of a 6'4" ISTP (INFP superego) consultant who came in and logically tore the ESTJ up and spit him out. The ESTJ was terrified. I confess I loved it. I wanted him to die a slow death really. But the lesson I gradually took from it is that I never belonged in computer programming in the first place. Working through my inferior made me way too ego involved...even though I had a talent for it. I needed to find a way to engage my Fi professionally and finally did. Ah, so much more happiness. So, in a way the ESTJ was an angel rescuing me from a misaligned profession.
I am also an INFP and have been studying software development for a couple of years... I have really been enjoying it and I get to use my NE all day long (which is exciting). What did you think was the most difficult part as an INFP and what is your profession now?
@@dylanr3875 I was working as a consultant for my state's government and all the non-productive rules really got to me. It was that, and the rapid shifts in technology that were happening at the time. I went back to what I was doing before programming which was helping people figure out who they are, and what to do with their lives.
@@johnu.9472 what job is that exactly? helping people figure out who they are. career counselor at a college? I'm very interested because I'm an INFP who is lost on what to do for a career.
I love learning about the demon function so much because (as an INFP) when I was a teen I'd get so crafty & hands on when it came to teen angst. One time I knocked a door down to save my friend from a creep. I had no idea how tiny me did it but it happened with the blink of an eye.
As an ENFP, That demon function is spot on. Se Demon is a big believer in Karma, and that if bad things happen to us, we will come back at you ten times harder. If you rain destruction down upon us, we will rain destruction on everyone.
So the pattern here is that if you keep pushing on someone in the opposite of their hero function, they'll take it for a while and they'll keep taking it and they'll keep taking it, but once they flip... Oh man, game over
Two questions: Does Ti demon cause evil/distressing thoughts in IxFPs? Like, intrusive thoughts about doing something bad that distresses the "perfection" perception/values of Fi? Can being friends with someone who has your demon function as their hero function (INTP and INFP for a personal example) help you conquer your own demon function?
My ISFP demon function is Ti. I am really uncomfortable with Ti heroes. I feel they lack empathy and it scares me. They find me irrational, incomprehensible. I don't think we learn from each other. More like watch each other warily.
@@TK-kf8zc if they care about working on their Fe inferior, however, I think ISFPs and IXTPs can get along quite well! I'm a Te-focused INFP (I try my best to stay open-minded and not get offended easily) and that makes it much easier to gel with ISTPs. It's actually easier for me to get along with ISTPs more than INTPs, so perhaps as ISFP you can try chatting with INTPs online? especially the friendly, harmless ones. ISFPs are awesome people!!!
@@Moodboard39 I feel incompetent quite frequently and get overwhelmed easily getting things done. I also have a lot of trouble conforming and flowing for the sake of the group. I'm not easily compliant to the group's wishes in favor of what I individually think or feel. In this aspect I feel very similarly to IXTPs cuz they operate very much the same. However, instead of being stubborn logically and thinking "Ugh everyone's dumb", people think of me as too sensitive and stubborn with not letting a feeling go for the sake of things working more efficiently. I feel my emotions intensely so it's really not something easy for me to brush off or put a raincheck on to process later; the emotion is often dealt with and felt immediately, right there and then. I am simply hyperaware of the nuance of my emotions and can empathize with others even before they know it sometimes. Being Ne-user too it seems I come off nonsensical and harebrained as well so it's kinda really hard to be respected/understood. I'm sure for ISFPs it's a similar story, they might be misunderstood simply because they don't know what words to describe their emotions despite feeling just as intensely whereas I have too many words and not enough coherence, so it confuses and overwhelms people. Te-inferior sometimes feels like I have no idea wtf I'm doing or that I know exactly what's going on but no one else seems to care or give me the time of day because I lack assertiveness/command of the group. So in the end I feel like an outsider either way :/ I'm at odds with everyone, I guess you can say. However, I'm sure a lot of IXXPs feel this way just in different flavors
34:45 can confirm this was exactly what happened when I (INTP) broke up with my ISTP ex, promiscuous and wreckless behavior on his part, and binging on youtube videos and sitcom reruns on my part. A month later, he popped into a little diner I frequent (ISTP stalking obvious). He looked scrawny and lifeless. And I looked just as awful. It's like we both forgot to eat.
Does the superego take over more often in some types than others due to their combination of functions and the frequencies of them? I can imagine it happening more often to ISXP and ESXJ compared to some other types duo to certain factors. Can you confirm/deny? Great video as always, Chase
I think there are two responses with the Fi Demon. One being the person in the basement with video games lol, because they decided ‘since I’m never getting recognized or appreciated for all my work then there’s no point in doing anything at all’ which is self-destructive of course. Although, I’ve realized with my ESFJ mother who constantly attacked my Inferior “You don’t care about anyone; you don’t feel anything” and disregards all the care I already give to my siblings when she’s not home, that activates the Demon. The Hero tries to protect the Inferior with the logic and “I do X, Y, and Z so she’s wrong. I obviously care about people.” Not sure how my parent tries to defend or protect, but my Child can’t do much because she also attacks it by saying I’m disloyal and such. So the Inferior goes to the Demon for help. Similar reaction with another INTP I know, it’s where the Demon forces out of its cage because it’s been contained so long with how the INTP has been ignoring their emotions and trying to push the issue away. It’s like “Well, I’m gonna feel now, and you’re gonna feel my wrath!” It tends to want to break out of the cage the most when you threaten the source of where they input their care. For example, a sibling in my case. It’s this uncontrollable output of emotion full of hatred and rage towards the person, essentially for them being a bad person. I saw another comment with this concept and it fits more with the other Demons and how they portray in the other types. This is just what makes sense in my head. I’m very open to feedback.
Isfp here. I have similar experiences. But not that way exactly. When I tried to use my fe nemesis I was shut down by my esfj mother and she attacked me Te inferior telling me that I care only about myself and that I'm selfish. That upset me so I didn't care anymore about trying to be more selfless and I started being more distant with her and cold but I still had in my mind that I had to be more selfless. But the thing is that Everytime I tried to be selfless, real and honest, she always accused me of being selsifh, and a liar. Yeah after that I never ever cared about lying or being a brat that much. Thank god she is better now but that still haunts me to be honest.
INTP here. At first I thought that reaching the demon function would be the crazy lash out moments. One way that I've interpreted it is that it's more of a "sin" function, making other functions behave negatively. The demon would be the unconscious, the side of our mind we go to when all hope is lost. Or at least that way it was kinda easier for me to understand, I know that's not the terminology but it kinda helped me.
In Islam there are three sides of man: 1. Ruuh/Soul. (It is something that was created even before the creation of Universe) 2. Animal Self 3. Qareen (It's actually another species of living creature, namely Jinn. Every human is born with a Qareen) The Qareen and the Satan whisper evil in the hearts of men. They take over the mind when a person is: 1. Too happy 2. Too sad 3. Too angry I am not saying that Demon function IS Qareen. What I am saying is whenever this function is triggered by some experience either of the above three emotions take over and, hence, Qareen does as well. That's why humans (Ruuh) loose control. PS. I have been a student of Jungian and Freudian psychology as well as yours.
Please reference anime, mythology and stories more. Its brings it into a deeper realization. Any triggered reaction, we knows its your favorite show but chiiilll, its a show relax.
With my Ne demon, I could see all possible ways of how I could murder someone. With my Se hero, I knew where all security cameras and guards were. My pessimistic Ti parent ticked off the ones which were impossible to do. It felt like eagle vision from assassins creed when I look back at it.
There is a great film called The Monster Calls which shows this boy who summoned summoned his demon at a time of crisis but the monster teaches him wisdom and humility was able eventually to make it his Angel.
ENTJ here - I was using my ESFJ SuperEgo in a good way for 2 weeks (literaly Ego and SuperEgo were working together) I had so much energy I could work for 16 hours a day and sleep only for 4,5 hours. I made myself to do routine things and was like this for 2 weeks - getting so much shit done I had spare time for so many other things it was insane - but than the coronavirus came, and the lockdown with it too. With that came ESFJ's Fe hero - I was asking other people how they feel about this situation and than I devalued my own feelings (Fi nemessis) and forgot about my Ni (literry forgot, that all the duty and routine I made for myself was for the university studies, and work and generaly improving my life - i forgot about that because this duty and routine literally became my purpuse. It was good for me for these 2 weeks I was able to use that, but with the coronavirus lockdowns? This configuration of my mind wasn't adaptable for changes. And if that is how every ESFJ and ESTJ feel in those sitations I do not envy them. Like you said. It is really hard to use Demon in a good way and If you do, don't let it take control over you, don't forget about yourself.
@37:42 Regarding the ISFJ demon, I think it is essential to make a couple of distinctions although I can only speak on behalf of myself. I agree that the ISFJ demon versus ISFJ subconscious is probably infrequent in terms of how many times it is invoked. First, as for me, it does take plenty of things to upset me given that I am not as sensitive as other people when it comes to most things -- although I do have my "buttons". However, ISFJ demon mode is not something that I try to invoke for the simple fact that a) it is like the point of no return was the line has already been crossed and 2) it is very energy intensive and hence, draining. To be more specific, it can be as much physically draining as it is emotionally draining. Because of this, I usually have either walked- away, developed contingency plans to limit other people's power, or just removed myself from toxic people. People often think such actions are weak. However, I have found that where some speak from the mindset of pride and ego, I speak from the mindset of someone who knows that I do, can, and has had that kind of rage inside. The only difference is that now that I am older (or at least in the past 10-15 years), I have managed to cultivate a laser-sharp tongue. So, essentially (as an older INTJ) I find that by giving select disrespectful people a "taste" up front, I can usually avoid going demon mode. Whether that is ESFP subconscious or border ISFJ superego, I guess depends on how deep the remarks go. Thankfully, I don't have to go there very often -- but I find that doing so at least keeps me from acting out on others not responsible. Moreover, while ISFJ in demon mode is probably usually geared towards an individual, it can be geared towards groups of individuals --usually towards door slamming, removing support, or a combination of both. I find that usually when you don't crave recognition, people are oblivious to the value that you provide --especially when it comes to planning or providing info. Hence, letting others fail by their own merits is sometimes far more effective than planning it yourself. Lastly, in terms of loyalty, to me, it means several things. First, it means not getting in the way of goals, objectives, and/or purpose. Without a purpose, life has no meaning to me. Yet, I don't feel that some people respect this b/c it is all about living to a particular script. Disloyalty also means being set up to fail and not being given the space to decompress. While the former may be due to performance anxiety, and reputation (given snap judgments), the latter is due to the understanding that there is only so much energy to give to so many people at a time.
The thing u mentioned about the super ego tryin to replace the real ego is interesting. Many movies, art, novels make use of similar themes. Eg. The reflection tryin to become the person by pulling the person in to the mirror world and the shadow reflection entity behind the mirror takes charge of the real world by coming out of the mirror stepping into physical reality, Dr jekyll Hyde, the monster within etc. etc. Wow its sooo amazing the connections, the archetypes, the collective consciousness its just amazing this web
I was looking forward to this one! You seem like you are just brimming with ideas, to the extent it's hard to get them all out verbally. Sometimes the complexity of abstract thought feels very limited and constrained by language. Question regarding demon "possession" ... I've dated someone who legit thought I was possessed. He claimed he saw a glimmer of something scary in my eyes every so often, and that it was just beneath the surface like it was behind suppressed. He got extremely offended by the way I looked at him on the very rare occasions I was actually angry. He always said he was scared to make me angry because he could tell I was the kind of person he didn't want to piss off. I honestly thought he was a bit crazy and projecting his fears onto the person to whom he'd given his trust and vulnerability. Combine INTJ paranoia with confirmation bias and jumping to conclusions and you get crazy shit like that. Do you think what he "saw" could possibly have something to do with the demon function? Or is that a whackjob idea? On the topic of foregoing the expedient route, I've always agreed that revenge is a dish best served cold. Thing is, when I wait to serve that "dish," calculating in the shadows, I often find that the urge passes. And giving up on revenge is probably the wiser route. BTW, I just realized all your lectures on the cognitive attitudes have the quality of a well-written essay, insofar as they build to a philisophical climax and apply an meaningful abstract concept extrapolated from preceding examples universally in conclusion. In doing so, you start with a specific concept but end with an overarching universal truth and call to action that's hard to ignore. The intensity of your delivery escalates as well. I think that's part of why people like this particular series of lectures so much.
Typing of Heath Ledger's Joker as ENTp's ESFp superego is brilliant. He always seemed like an ENTP pretending to be an ESFP, but I knew there had to be a deeper reason for why he chose that specific get-up.
Man, your content just keeps getting better and better. For a long time I have been looking for answers and I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel last year. Now I have more of an idea of how to improve myself and I understand others a bit better. Keep up the awesome work, and I look forward to watching future and past videos.
I noticed In the fitness industry a lot of people are focusing on doing the expedient and taking the easy way out by taking steroid and doing all kinds of surgeries when they should do what's meaningful by working hard and eating healthy and gaining that mental toughness and that self discipline or will power in the process !
King Solomon (INTP?), when God offered him anything he asked for, he chose Wisdom. It was very pleasing to God, because he chose what was MEANINGFUL, not something EXPEDIENT like instant wealth, the death of his enemies, or even a long life. Though he didn't apply his wisdom to himself very well, because his excessive wealth & wives & comforts almost destroyed him. (Unhealthy Si Child + Hypocritical Ni Critic?)
I do feel the Se demon. When someone is really unfriendly or plain mean to me I dream about attacking them.. It's ugly and I hate myself for it. I haven't physically attacked anyone since elementary school. Maybe hurt or kept them from fighting but never injured anyone with intention. I do try to entertain people with jokes, like I don't care if they are really funny but if they respond well to my humor I like them. If I like you I'll laugh at your joke just to make you feel good. But I think that's more te -fi caring about people's opinion.
I remember the first day my Demon Function came out in full force...19 years ago...and absolutely, as an ENFJ, it was a demobilizing, to the heart, low blow that was literally delivered in under 5 seconds and left the recipient completely destroyed. I still remember that day...I was in grade 8 - the thought that such cruelty could come out of me was terrifying.
I cried watching the ENTP part My dad's a ENTP and it's very accurate. I can't relate to Fi demon still. Reason I watched this video was because my inferior function is somehow only surface level when dealing with people, and, someone noticed my Fi monologue, so she concluded i must be an ISFP. I went to check ISFPs quality, nothing matched. But at the time she noticed that Fi monologue, i was in a deep distress. I am not sure, but when I am super stressed, I tend to find something that can distract my mind completely from the problem, if after expressing it doesn't yield any effective results. I may or may not express whatever is bothering my mind. Depends on who I'm dealing with. Last year, I resorted to collecting fonts and other graphics. I was so obsessed about it. It was after ending a 7 year relationship. And i found digital art soothed my mind that I was addicted to it for months until someone new came. Can't say if what I did was destructive or something, but it did affect my work and productivity. Or, there was a time when I was bullied, on the top of my stress, I resorted to hurt the bullies's loved ones. I'm typed as a INTP. But I'm not sure anymore if I am a INTP. Tbh.
I Agree 99.9% that Naruto is an Infj. Thanks that You Point It Out CSJ 👍👌. I've watched this video until the end. Thank, God, Thank U Very Much For This Another Super Valuable Video.
I wrote a book years ago based on myself but the kid was bullied in the story. He's killed comes back as a vampire and kills and tortures people. It was based on brutal slow painful deaths and yeah that was my dark side personified in a book. Can Ti demon be why when I'm stressed I get argumentative and always need a last word. Also when I'm pissed and at my last straw I have no sympathy
Find yourself a teacher who would use anime as illustrations 🤩 Thanks for making a video on this one and for helping us understand this (and ourselves) better. You're great at this 👍
That rant starting after the 1 hour mark where you talk about healing fatherlessness... that made me fall in love with your soul (not anything romantic) but it was powerful and I felt that. I wish all world leaders would watch this video. I mean I could forward it to them, but they would never watch it or even get it.
What have you said about wisdom remembered me of this quranic verse which is translated from Arabic to English here " He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding "
@@CSJosephI could not thank you more than anything for doing these sharing, 10 years is long time man. I have no mentors just studying from your youtube. So you are mentor to me. I'm ENFP that looking for answers.
My brother is an INTP who is addicted to substances and other carnal pleasures because he believes no one loves him. Not all INTP's like video games. He is a more hands on person and has never liked video games much. But believe me, he is very abstract. He used to design new things, like this really weird chair design he once came up with. And he speaks abstractly about things. Also, it just struck me why ENFJ's are hypocritical - giving advice to others but not following it themselves. Because their Fe allows them to look into other people and they can think about what advice could be given to them. Their minimized use of the thinking functions means it's hard for them to think out how they are going to behave.
I think it's the most interesting video you've done so far. Thanks for it ! I think it can also be relatad to the junguian ego death. I wonder what you think about it. If percieve it like this : maybe it's interesting to go in the superego once in while (after trying being in the subconcious and unconcious). As you said, it can be used as a restart button. I'm talking from the perspective of my own exprience. I'm an INTJ. I wonder if we go to our super ego mode more often because we're triple quick. In that case, this would also apply to ENFPs. But, I had tough experiences in my life. Being there many time made me explore my super ego. It's not angelic yet. It's really helpful though. I had a depression and anxiety problems for years and only by going to my super ego that I got rid of my medication. I organized my priorities. I took care of myself as a priority and I discovered what are my needs. In other word, a new ego is being created and I think it takes times. But, when the time comes, a new ego takes place. Life is all about cycles and maybe we're supposed to be in our ego most of the times but not all the times. It's necessary to go the super ego. This causes an ego death and, then, a new ego is reborn. That being said, I remember in one of your videos (S1E12 I guess) you said that the inferior function is the gateway into the subconscious, the nemesis function is the gateway into the unconscious side of the mind and the demon is the one to the superego. Then you said that the hero function is the pathway to the ego. Well, I think that the demon function can be also a gateway to it, to the ego... after the ego death, precisely to create a new ego, more mature and wise.
42:55 - C.S. Joseph...actually roles up his sleeves confronting his own Se Demon, epic. - this lecture needs to be listened to and watched multiple times, it’s life changing.
Lucifer was also an angel. In fact, he was the brightest angel before The Fall. We should eat our pride so as to avoid being succumbed by our respective demons. Very good insights you have here. 🙏
(ENFJ) Since I got into this matter, specifically into your lectures, I can remember myself getting there once. Violently shutting up someone who I felt was ignoring my thoughts. Luckily, I realized where I was going and shut up myself before causing harm. I can also recall myself in the past frequently being in enviroments where I was, or at least felt (speaking retroactively analyzing), sorrounded by STPs, whom I mostly engaged with from the INFP shadow, not so rarely on the brink to snapping into ESTJ superego. But I think I never went that far, I always had enough self control. And it probably led to none of them going NFP superego in return, which I should be glad about.
It sounded like it was painful for you to admit that we are friends. 😂 It was like the one time my mother tried telling me I was pretty. 😂😂😂 "You still look...good...with glasses on. Why do you need contacts."
super ego is wrath, blind and self justified and it knows no limit. help ! I really like your lectures, they make me think deeper then I usualy feel confortable to, and I learn things and remamber things I forced myself to forget.
The story of adam and eive in islam goes like this when allah created adam,adam originally was in the heavens and allah told him don't eat from that tree and then the devil came to adam and Seducted him to eat from that tree and he listened to the devil and eated from the tree and then Allah sent them both to the earth after they were with him in the heavens.
It’s scary how true this is in regards of me being ENTJ, I get sometimes pushed to the point of destruction like full on demon mode I want to destroy everything whether emotionally or physically! Either I would become destructive or become heavily selfish and ultra goal oriented in a form of revenge (although some people applaud me for it)
I often get the desire to get revenge when I'm betrayed or treated badly, I almost feel murderous and want to destroy the world in the process of revenge but I keep my morals in place and keep reminders of it from the cross I wear around my neck. Metaphorically speaking its like keeping my metaphorical werewolf form in containment.
TI Demon is relatable yet so is Se. Than again Se parent can be destructive if your pissed dad and I are both isfp and we get stressed and have a bad temper
23:36 "yet it somehow works out for Naruto (when he switched places with a demon temporarily)". You probably shouldn't use fiction as a source to draw conclusions about reality. What if the film director of Naruto (or the author behind Naruto storyline) is a covert satanist that wants to entice people to sell their souls by making it appear like a good idea with propaganda embedded in entertainment material?
I'm an INTJ (at least I'm pretty sure) and when I'm betrayed/taken for granted/forgotten about my Si Demon does NOT become self-destructive. I become extremely selfish. I don't know what other people in this comment section are talking about. The moment my Si Demon is triggered (by people calling me a bad person/abandoning me after I give my all and open up) I start plotting revenge, like immediately. I hold deep grudges. I remember waiting and plotting for an entire month just to seek vengeance on an ESFP....and I got it too. I didn't become self-destructive at all. Actually, I invested more time into my body, clothes, money and social life. From the outside it looked like I was thriving, but internally I was waiting for the perfect moment to strike.
I did that too but my Appetite was ruined aswell i couldnt eat because of my broken heart and this kinda is self destruction since you lose alot of weight at some point. I got my revenge too, but she didnt care that long about it and she kept doing what she did to me.
can Se demon in our world (not so dramatic version like world destruction) also show itself through getting into fights? i know that in the past where i was „bullied“ i always beat up everyone and was extremely physical and aggressive. i also destroy things around me bc it relieves me. and to people i am extremely blunt about reality. not in Ti way, but telling how their delusions and their understanding of reality is pure shit and tell them what they‘re actually doing all the way. and isolation everytime i feel slightly bad or threatened. (this seems contradictory) does this seem Se demon? i‘m an ENTP (i think)
There is NO sacrifice! ACIM. No compromise. Wu Wei- go with the flow. This reality is a consensus construct. Nothing real can be threatened nothing real exists.
Demon Function Example: A Brutal Honest Meaningful Conversation Person:What are ways to solve the overpopulation crisis? Daemon Bloodvile:My answer is this start committing acts of war and genocide, which is an efficient way to solve your overpopulation crisis, and I will be happy to look forward for the human race, to be driven out of extinction.😊💢 Person:Okay, that's a brutal honest answer you got there.
Same with me, just slam the door and life goes on. Lol. Or maybe what we've experienced is not bitter enough to wake the demon inside us? INTJ here by the way.
@@WeisSchwarz Oh I've experienced some horrible stuff. A psychopath ex that used me to meet ends then chewed me out. I just closed the door and never looked back. Enfp by the way
Si demon is more about suicidal thoughts about killing ourself to punish and make others uncomfortable you missed it. I guess that is why us INTJ are so gloomy all the time we are basically stopping ourself from trying to kill ourself and it drains all the energy which is why we are so efficient about energy and plan stuff so far ahead to have hope that keeps demon in check. I hope this insight was useful.
So we should really marry our most socially compatible type to reach the angelic form. So I as an ESTJ should peruse an ISTP and we will both help each other become the ultimate versions of ourselves.
So I had a conversation with an INTJ, and on the topic of ‘being with yourself’, she didn’t seem to get it. So I put up the following chunk, which admittedly blends multiple attitudes, but I think sounds similar to what this lecture discusses:
“In every person, there exists a copy of yourself psychologically. When you are quiet, it will whisper things into your ears. When you are alone, it will talk about how you are unloved. When you are happy, it will say you never deserved this.
Most people reject this part of themselves. They will say “You are not me!” and continue to throw everything they do not want to associate with this other self. They will ascribe all the qualities they despise to this self, and they will loathe and shun it, trying to be everything it is not.
And then this other self grows from the negativity, and grows, and grows, until one day, it overpowers the person psychologically, and that is where we observe the breakdown of a person. Maybe they get some major illness. Maybe they become suicidal. Maybe they just don’t seem like themselves anymore. But in the end, if you try to throw out this other self, it will come back stronger and angrier.
But if you take the time to sit and listen to it, you will begin to see that it is the wounded part of yourself, the part which was put down or damaged by its past, and it echos that which other people have been telling it, whether through your parents’ voices, your teachers’ voices, peers, loved ones.
And it will be disturbing, because this is the ugliest side of yourself, the one you don’t want to face. But if you dare to listen to it, if you dare to try to comfort it as a parent to a hurt child, eventually, it will start to be better. It will start to sound more positive. It will become something you might very well want to be around.
This is what it means to be with yourself, that you see your deepest darkest fears, and wants, and desires, and actions, and that you accept them, and acknowledge that yes, you are flawed, you are broken in some ways, and that’s alright. If you can help it heal, and help it grow, you will find you will be at peace with yourself, because that other self? It’s also you.”
well said
Thanks man I needed that
❤
That was a Masterpiece to read
Gerald Lee It made me cry
Now you have no choice but to make a *How to type: Naruto*
Sorry buddy.
Lol
I’d go one up: an entire series with Dissecting Naruto: Analysis of Characters’ Growth (from a Jungian Analytical Psychology standpoint)
@The Box Naruto -ENFP; Guts - ISTP ; Griffith - INTJ gone wrong
@The Box Try watching his "How to personality type anyone" and "What is the temperament Matrix" videos. With fictional characters it's tricky when compared to real people because the writers probably aren't familiar with Jungian psychology + there could be writing inconsistencies/bad writing etc.
Avatar: The Last Airbender > Naruto
28:29 Ti demon (ISFP, INFP)
31:24 Fe demon (ESTJ, ENTJ)
33:58 Fi demon (ISTP, INTP)
25:56 Te demon (ESFJ, ENFJ)
35:15 Si demon (INTJ, INFJ)
39:28 Ne demon (ESTP, ESFP)
40:28 Ni demon (ISTJ, ISFJ)
42:48 Se demon (ENTP, ENFP)
@Kenny Stop identifying with your type so much
great job with time stamping. Allowed me to go over and over again to grasp the pseudo-logic of making the deal with the devil for each type. And eradicate this 'ideas' from my toolbox of thoughts at hand. Plus remember how important it is to show appreciation, compassion, understanding when someone is vulnerable or beaten down, when they are in need of wise! support (alert: do not slip into codependancy! or into fuelling victim playing narcissist! :)
In chronologic order:
25:45 Te E-FJs, listen or destroys structure
28:29 Ti I-FPs, value opinions, or traps
31:24 Fe E-FJs, don't shame, or denies love
33:58 Fi I-TPs, respect, or will implode
35:15 Si IN-Js, be loyal, or won't be loyal
39:28 Ne ES-Ps, options or ends future
40:28 Ni IS-Js, show interest or debauched
42:50 Se EN-Ps, keep comfy or chaos world.
47:45 Epilogue
@@truedreams1 Are you Ti?
1:10:38 very important points too.
That 'Demon' Art on the white board xD
👍👍👍
Lyaz Sickness Se demon, ya know
@@sofia8574 That means?
Fi demon is so sad .
It's basically if no one else cares about me I don't either .
All the other rest are bout destroying the world bcz it is not accepted .
INTP here
Was hoping it would be something bad ass 😂😂
Fi demon isn't sad in itself. It's sad when someone has no one they care about.
We hate to give attention to our feelings when it comes to making decision because they are very strong, unstable and repressed. But if someone is menacing our tribe (Fe), we will become savages. Fi demon can break any presupposed moral framework, it's also why we are a crazy open to new ideas. I'm talking murder, incest, cannibalism.. Whatever serves you.
Say it ain't so! Cannibalism? I know I go along to get along--and that is a sure sign of no moral compass, but I've always hoped that I would stop short of incest, cannibalism, murder and the like.
@@annhinz6326 I hope that you do if you so wish, even though it wouldn't affect us very much if you are an INTP you will see it as justified.
Murder is the easy one to accept as it literally encompasses self-defense. For cannibalism the fact that it was practiced in ancient societies means we have it in us. If I recall incest as close to brother-sister was practiced successfully by Egyptians when the genes were purged free of mutations.
Maybe you'll be surprise where our creativity can stretch to when our 4th slot Fe gets impeded. Having no one to care for is the saddest of all the topics I mentioned.
@@jonathanreave8558 I have been fortunate in my life that when my life fell apart in my younger more immature years I did have an infant son to take care of. I'm sure the responsibility of caring for him and a supportive family kept my demon at bay. Although I identify as an intp, my reaction became more of the debauchery type of behavior. Now I feed it by playing spider solitaire and quilting. But I can quit any time! Honest!
@@jonathanreave8558 I certainly agree that not caring about anyone is indeed the saddest of all. Seems to me that one would come that conclusion by concluding that no one cares for oneself which is very sad indeed. Therefore, although it's a pain in the ass much of the time, smiling at people and asking how they are doing, telling them you care, giving a positive word is so worth the time and energy fellow intps. I believe that's part of Chase's reason for doing all this. When you go out of your way to show you care, people generally care back. Maybe not who you want, but someone will.
I think everyone in the community is grateful for everything you have done. I would like to express my gratitude for developing my values as an infp. Your channel is no doubt one of the best source of learning i have ever found till this day.
Every of your lecture is full of wisdom, but i wonder how to attract people, how can i get others listen to those wisdom when they are not really care about this interpersonal and intrapersonal studies as much as the community does
He who has an ear, let him hear.
No he's an ass that needs to delete his channel he's wrong about almost everything he talks about
Te: 25:45
Ti: 28:30
Fe: 31:24
Fi: 33:58
Si: 35:16
Ne: 39:29
Se: 42:50
super thank you
Thank God. I hate trying to figure out where I am in these things. Because I sure dont care about other people's demons (:
Ni?
40:30 Ni
Legend
Hey man I just wanna say I really really appreciate the amount of effort and time you put into these videos. I've gotten so much more information through you than any other place on the web about the cognitive functions. It's really awesome to see someone put work into something they love to do because it truly shows. Thanks :)
you are very welcome :)
The white board is as edgy as Chase now.
Maybe the white board is an ENTP too... 🤔
its level but filmed with a convex lense
@@CSJoseph Haha, I meant your DEMON art made the white board edgy. I knew the it was level because of the live stream.
It has a well-developed ISFJ subconscious with that loyalty and Si memory access.
@@zeroangelmk1 Although I think an ISTJ makes more sense. The responsibility of the Te parent would make all the reference points and organization and Si hero would be able to remember every little thing chase says (Te could also "read" Chases Ti mind. The ENFP/ESTP subconcious and Uncouncious would make it pretty good at selling the idea, and It would also be really funny for the white board to be a SJ.
I didn't even notice the curved edge on the whiteboard🤦♀️ I guess I do have Se trickster 😂
That Heath Ledger Joker impression was perfection.
Heath Ledger is his Demon.
I've got an addition for an INTP going Fi Demon mode on him/herself:
Ti hero concludes with unshakeable, impecable logic: I am a horrible person.
Fi demon: Self destruction sequence initiated.
Been doing that for the past 3 years without realizing until an INFJ pointed it out to me. Bless him.
Im an ISTP and currently living what you described. I feel horrible and worthless. Comparing my apparently shit and boring life of ISTP to the deep, authentic and interesting life of INFP sister
And it happens though what Chase said. Logical interpretation of constant Fe insecurity due to mistreatment and others rejecting the Si child from ever being comfortable and safe and feel like the INTP is doing its Ti/Fe duty to help others by giving them the truth.
Si remembers, Ti makes sense of it and Fe feels useless. Ne realises everyone has the same idea of the INTP so there's no hope for change.
Every single person doesn't like me and this will continue no matter what I do (Ne) because my past is full of examples despite me trying hard (Si). This makes me feel useless and without value (Fe). Therefore I must be a bad person and not loveable or worthwhile (Ti). The only option is to either accept that and live as a shell, deny it and go insane slowly, or replace Ti with demon Fi to reject Fe and Ti.
This changes the paradigm
Every single person doesn't like me and I don't care because they don't matter to my goals and desires (Ni) because I can do whatever I want right now (Se). This makes me feel like I can achieve anything because I know exactly what to do now and no obstacle can stop me (Te). Therefore other people are bad for making me feel useless and constantly treating me like I'm nothing (Fi)
Definitely the best MBTI/cognitive functions/analytical psychology content creator! I always recommend your videos
What I love about psychology is how much complex the brain is, it took me some years to figure out where my insecurity came from, and turns out it was just my brain tricking me. That's why I'm so focused on communications as I understand how simple sentence can trigger someone (and also me) without intentions, and as I've been studying typology with your channel (now it'll be almost a year yay!), everything makes much sense now! It was hard and at the same time fascinating to realize we're much of the time kind of sabotaging ourselves. But at the same time, just like you said, we have to earn that wisdom, experience difficulty in life to develop ourselves! Thank you so much for sharing so much knowledge with us! :D
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Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" is the best example of what an INTP becoming demonic looks like. Raskolnikov, the protagonist, literally isolates himself too much from humanity and invents his own morals (finds no problem with killing a person because he can logically justify why the person he ends up killing is not just useless but even counter-productive to society). Basically, instead of relying on Fe feedback, he gives himself feedback and elects himself as the most superior human being and the biggest genius, allowing himself to transgress any law. Peterson mentioned something about this too when he said that even the highest person in the hierarchy must obey the ultimate ideal (which cannot be located inside the hierarchy), and if the most superior person in the hierarchy ever kills the ultimate ideal and transgresses the ultimate law, the whole system collapses.
Thanks for your review of the book through this lens. I think I'll read it.
I instantly downloaded it
Man I love classic Russian literature. As an INTP, im definitely going to have to read Crime and Punishment.
I don't think INTPs can value someone's life by judging someones usefulness for society. That's totalitarian "logic", highly subjective. Characteristic to xNTJs.
@@mmkkad Any type can get any conclusion. INTPs can be really utilitarian, Fe has this "greater happiness mindset to it", and utilitarianism is basically totalitarianism in the end.
im an INFJ and was stuck in my super ego for something like 4 years, it was nearly impossible to come out of it, literal fucking tear when u started talking about it, well done. wish i could like the video more than once.
Rewatch timestamps :)
Possession 22:05
Si demon 35:15
timestamps
What put you and kept you there?
I would like to know how it is to be in the superego too
@@SykeeNot that's a good question, maybe he would one day answer or we have to find it out ourselves.
@@sientwa6102 nooo not personal experience😭😹
INFP - I will never forget when my work best friend, INTP, actually told me mid-conversation “no one cares what you think” - I completely shut down. Not only did it hurt me on a personal level because he’s one of my closest friends, but it definitely made me question if I wanted to ever share my thoughts on certain topics again. This is before I really even began to understand my personality type and cognitive functions. You are now arming me with some positive ways to work through the negative sides of my personality and I appreciate it!
I'm and INFP have an INFJ friend who just runs around using his Ti child on my poor Te inferior criticizing it and basically calling me stupid and literally doesn't give a shit about what I think
I can understand you dude
but yk just patience and basically subconscious helps it
Thats very immature.I'm intp as an intp can get I've been through hell I got stabbed 34 times I get permanent muscle damage everywhere on my body but I see I was like that before I faced the darkest realms we intps need to suffer much more than other types to understand life but when we get it usually a revolution happens
@@mavimeth5385 why do you got stabbed 34x??
@@andromaxbse6459 assault on my life.I still have ptsd
Ouch. That hurts. Don’t take it personally the person doesn’t know you as well as u do
Here's a story for you. As an INFP I was working as a computer programmer (leaning heavily on my inferior Te function). The guy who was in charge of the technical environment was a very obnoxious ESTJ who had to tell everyone exactly what to do and, of course, never listened or acknowledged that anyone else had a brain. He was constantly insulting toward me. That guy drove me straight to my demon function and I actually conjured my demon in the form of a 6'4" ISTP (INFP superego) consultant who came in and logically tore the ESTJ up and spit him out. The ESTJ was terrified. I confess I loved it. I wanted him to die a slow death really. But the lesson I gradually took from it is that I never belonged in computer programming in the first place. Working through my inferior made me way too ego involved...even though I had a talent for it. I needed to find a way to engage my Fi professionally and finally did. Ah, so much more happiness. So, in a way the ESTJ was an angel rescuing me from a misaligned profession.
I am also an INFP and have been studying software development for a couple of years... I have really been enjoying it and I get to use my NE all day long (which is exciting). What did you think was the most difficult part as an INFP and what is your profession now?
@@dylanr3875 I was working as a consultant for my state's government and all the non-productive rules really got to me. It was that, and the rapid shifts in technology that were happening at the time. I went back to what I was doing before programming which was helping people figure out who they are, and what to do with their lives.
@@johnu.9472 what job is that exactly? helping people figure out who they are. career counselor at a college? I'm very interested because I'm an INFP who is lost on what to do for a career.
I love learning about the demon function so much because (as an INFP) when I was a teen I'd get so crafty & hands on when it came to teen angst. One time I knocked a door down to save my friend from a creep. I had no idea how tiny me did it but it happened with the blink of an eye.
Would you consider making a video on the guardian angel version of the demon function?
sure
a guardian demon?
The inferior when it is aspirational?
As an ENFP, That demon function is spot on. Se Demon is a big believer in Karma, and that if bad things happen to us, we will come back at you ten times harder. If you rain destruction down upon us, we will rain destruction on everyone.
I usually keep my Fi demon in check by allowing my thoughts to turn artistically sadistic
same here. I take the time to create the worlds within my fantasy in detail only to destroy them completely
I learned to do that too in the form of daydreaming lol
Whoa! I am an Fi hero and now I know why I have always been afraid of you dudes!!!
@@TK-kf8zc HAHA
Thanks Chase! You have inspired me to put as much time as I can to understanding depth psychology! Thanks for being a great teacher, and inspiration
you are most welcome
So the pattern here is that if you keep pushing on someone in the opposite of their hero function, they'll take it for a while and they'll keep taking it and they'll keep taking it, but once they flip... Oh man, game over
"Or you die as a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become a villan"
dope
INTP Demon is kind of like: "There isn't enough love for the both of us, YOU NEED TO DIE"
My fi demon manifests by throwing all ethics overboard and making my own values, wich favour my ego.
INTP when that Fi demon hits: Mad scientist time
So accurate
Is that sociopathic?
I liked the video at 0:01 LOL
Two questions:
Does Ti demon cause evil/distressing thoughts in IxFPs? Like, intrusive thoughts about doing something bad that distresses the "perfection" perception/values of Fi?
Can being friends with someone who has your demon function as their hero function (INTP and INFP for a personal example) help you conquer your own demon function?
Good question, I hope we can know the answer!
My ISFP demon function is Ti. I am really uncomfortable with Ti heroes. I feel they lack empathy and it scares me. They find me irrational, incomprehensible. I don't think we learn from each other. More like watch each other warily.
@@TK-kf8zc if they care about working on their Fe inferior, however, I think ISFPs and IXTPs can get along quite well! I'm a Te-focused INFP (I try my best to stay open-minded and not get offended easily) and that makes it much easier to gel with ISTPs. It's actually easier for me to get along with ISTPs more than INTPs, so perhaps as ISFP you can try chatting with INTPs online? especially the friendly, harmless ones. ISFPs are awesome people!!!
@@sharpiesarecool814 what does Te inferior look like ?
@@Moodboard39 I feel incompetent quite frequently and get overwhelmed easily getting things done. I also have a lot of trouble conforming and flowing for the sake of the group. I'm not easily compliant to the group's wishes in favor of what I individually think or feel. In this aspect I feel very similarly to IXTPs cuz they operate very much the same. However, instead of being stubborn logically and thinking "Ugh everyone's dumb", people think of me as too sensitive and stubborn with not letting a feeling go for the sake of things working more efficiently. I feel my emotions intensely so it's really not something easy for me to brush off or put a raincheck on to process later; the emotion is often dealt with and felt immediately, right there and then. I am simply hyperaware of the nuance of my emotions and can empathize with others even before they know it sometimes. Being Ne-user too it seems I come off nonsensical and harebrained as well so it's kinda really hard to be respected/understood. I'm sure for ISFPs it's a similar story, they might be misunderstood simply because they don't know what words to describe their emotions despite feeling just as intensely whereas I have too many words and not enough coherence, so it confuses and overwhelms people. Te-inferior sometimes feels like I have no idea wtf I'm doing or that I know exactly what's going on but no one else seems to care or give me the time of day because I lack assertiveness/command of the group. So in the end I feel like an outsider either way :/
I'm at odds with everyone, I guess you can say. However, I'm sure a lot of IXXPs feel this way just in different flavors
34:45 can confirm this was exactly what happened when I (INTP) broke up with my ISTP ex, promiscuous and wreckless behavior on his part, and binging on youtube videos and sitcom reruns on my part. A month later, he popped into a little diner I frequent (ISTP stalking obvious). He looked scrawny and lifeless. And I looked just as awful. It's like we both forgot to eat.
Does the superego take over more often in some types than others due to their combination of functions and the frequencies of them? I can imagine it happening more often to ISXP and ESXJ compared to some other types duo to certain factors. Can you confirm/deny? Great video as always, Chase
Never thought of that, I will think on it.
I think there are two responses with the Fi Demon. One being the person in the basement with video games lol, because they decided ‘since I’m never getting recognized or appreciated for all my work then there’s no point in doing anything at all’ which is self-destructive of course.
Although, I’ve realized with my ESFJ mother who constantly attacked my Inferior “You don’t care about anyone; you don’t feel anything” and disregards all the care I already give to my siblings when she’s not home, that activates the Demon.
The Hero tries to protect the Inferior with the logic and “I do X, Y, and Z so she’s wrong. I obviously care about people.” Not sure how my parent tries to defend or protect, but my Child can’t do much because she also attacks it by saying I’m disloyal and such. So the Inferior goes to the Demon for help.
Similar reaction with another INTP I know, it’s where the Demon forces out of its cage because it’s been contained so long with how the INTP has been ignoring their emotions and trying to push the issue away. It’s like “Well, I’m gonna feel now, and you’re gonna feel my wrath!”
It tends to want to break out of the cage the most when you threaten the source of where they input their care. For example, a sibling in my case. It’s this uncontrollable output of emotion full of hatred and rage towards the person, essentially for them being a bad person. I saw another comment with this concept and it fits more with the other Demons and how they portray in the other types.
This is just what makes sense in my head. I’m very open to feedback.
I thought about it more and it sounds like what Demonic Child would be.
Isfp here.
I have similar experiences. But not that way exactly.
When I tried to use my fe nemesis I was shut down by my esfj mother and she attacked me Te inferior telling me that I care only about myself and that I'm selfish. That upset me so I didn't care anymore about trying to be more selfless and I started being more distant with her and cold but I still had in my mind that I had to be more selfless. But the thing is that Everytime I tried to be selfless, real and honest, she always accused me of being selsifh, and a liar.
Yeah after that I never ever cared about lying or being a brat that much. Thank god she is better now but that still haunts me to be honest.
I like the guardian Angel transformation. I like to think that is the goal.
INTP here. At first I thought that reaching the demon function would be the crazy lash out moments. One way that I've interpreted it is that it's more of a "sin" function, making other functions behave negatively.
The demon would be the unconscious, the side of our mind we go to when all hope is lost. Or at least that way it was kinda easier for me to understand, I know that's not the terminology but it kinda helped me.
In Islam there are three sides of man:
1. Ruuh/Soul. (It is something that was created even before the creation of Universe)
2. Animal Self
3. Qareen (It's actually another species of living creature, namely Jinn. Every human is born with a Qareen)
The Qareen and the Satan whisper evil in the hearts of men. They take over the mind when a person is:
1. Too happy
2. Too sad
3. Too angry
I am not saying that Demon function IS Qareen. What I am saying is whenever this function is triggered by some experience either of the above three emotions take over and, hence, Qareen does as well. That's why humans (Ruuh) loose control.
PS. I have been a student of Jungian and Freudian psychology as well as yours.
Please reference anime, mythology and stories more.
Its brings it into a deeper realization.
Any triggered reaction, we knows its your favorite show but chiiilll, its a show relax.
With my Ne demon, I could see all possible ways of how I could murder someone. With my Se hero, I knew where all security cameras and guards were. My pessimistic Ti parent ticked off the ones which were impossible to do. It felt like eagle vision from assassins creed when I look back at it.
I think my Ne demon is probably what got me close to destroying my marriage. The feeling of not having freedom of choice. It becomes toxic.
@@MrLuigiFercotti was it similar to how I experienced Ne. I couldn't really understand it before that,even asking others on discord on how Ne worked
Anyone think Chase was a little too good at the Joker impersonation? lol
welcome to the demon function.
God!!! Your right
"Hurry (expedience) is not of the devil, it *is* the devil."
-Carl Jung
There is a great film called The Monster Calls which shows this boy who summoned summoned his demon at a time of crisis but the monster teaches him wisdom and humility was able eventually to make it his Angel.
ENTJ here - I was using my ESFJ SuperEgo in a good way for 2 weeks (literaly Ego and SuperEgo were working together) I had so much energy I could work for 16 hours a day and sleep only for 4,5 hours. I made myself to do routine things and was like this for 2 weeks - getting so much shit done I had spare time for so many other things it was insane - but than the coronavirus came, and the lockdown with it too. With that came ESFJ's Fe hero - I was asking other people how they feel about this situation and than I devalued my own feelings (Fi nemessis) and forgot about my Ni (literry forgot, that all the duty and routine I made for myself was for the university studies, and work and generaly improving my life - i forgot about that because this duty and routine literally became my purpuse.
It was good for me for these 2 weeks I was able to use that, but with the coronavirus lockdowns? This configuration of my mind wasn't adaptable for changes. And if that is how every ESFJ and ESTJ feel in those sitations I do not envy them.
Like you said. It is really hard to use Demon in a good way and If you do, don't let it take control over you, don't forget about yourself.
@37:42
Regarding the ISFJ demon, I think it is essential to make a couple of distinctions although I can only speak on behalf of myself. I agree that the ISFJ demon versus ISFJ subconscious is probably infrequent in terms of how many times it is invoked. First, as for me, it does take plenty of things to upset me given that I am not as sensitive as other people when it comes to most things -- although I do have my "buttons". However, ISFJ demon mode is not something that I try to invoke for the simple fact that a) it is like the point of no return was the line has already been crossed and 2) it is very energy intensive and hence, draining. To be more specific, it can be as much physically draining as it is emotionally draining. Because of this, I usually have either walked- away, developed contingency plans to limit other people's power, or just removed myself from toxic people. People often think such actions are weak. However, I have found that where some speak from the mindset of pride and ego, I speak from the mindset of someone who knows that I do, can, and has had that kind of rage inside.
The only difference is that now that I am older (or at least in the past 10-15 years), I have managed to cultivate a laser-sharp tongue. So, essentially (as an older INTJ) I find that by giving select disrespectful people a "taste" up front, I can usually avoid going demon mode. Whether that is ESFP subconscious or border ISFJ superego, I guess depends on how deep the remarks go. Thankfully, I don't have to go there very often -- but I find that doing so at least keeps me from acting out on others not responsible. Moreover, while ISFJ in demon mode is probably usually geared towards an individual, it can be geared towards groups of individuals --usually towards door slamming, removing support, or a combination of both. I find that usually when you don't crave recognition, people are oblivious to the value that you provide --especially when it comes to planning or providing info. Hence, letting others fail by their own merits is sometimes far more effective than planning it yourself.
Lastly, in terms of loyalty, to me, it means several things. First, it means not getting in the way of goals, objectives, and/or purpose. Without a purpose, life has no meaning to me. Yet, I don't feel that some people respect this b/c it is all about living to a particular script. Disloyalty also means being set up to fail and not being given the space to decompress. While the former may be due to performance anxiety, and reputation (given snap judgments), the latter is due to the understanding that there is only so much energy to give to so many people at a time.
well said
The thing u mentioned about the super ego tryin to replace the real ego is interesting. Many movies, art, novels make use of similar themes. Eg. The reflection tryin to become the person by pulling the person in to the mirror world and the shadow reflection entity behind the mirror takes charge of the real world by coming out of the mirror stepping into physical reality, Dr jekyll Hyde, the monster within etc. etc. Wow its sooo amazing the connections, the archetypes, the collective consciousness its just amazing this web
I was looking forward to this one! You seem like you are just brimming with ideas, to the extent it's hard to get them all out verbally. Sometimes the complexity of abstract thought feels very limited and constrained by language.
Question regarding demon "possession" ... I've dated someone who legit thought I was possessed. He claimed he saw a glimmer of something scary in my eyes every so often, and that it was just beneath the surface like it was behind suppressed. He got extremely offended by the way I looked at him on the very rare occasions I was actually angry. He always said he was scared to make me angry because he could tell I was the kind of person he didn't want to piss off. I honestly thought he was a bit crazy and projecting his fears onto the person to whom he'd given his trust and vulnerability. Combine INTJ paranoia with confirmation bias and jumping to conclusions and you get crazy shit like that. Do you think what he "saw" could possibly have something to do with the demon function? Or is that a whackjob idea?
On the topic of foregoing the expedient route, I've always agreed that revenge is a dish best served cold. Thing is, when I wait to serve that "dish," calculating in the shadows, I often find that the urge passes. And giving up on revenge is probably the wiser route.
BTW, I just realized all your lectures on the cognitive attitudes have the quality of a well-written essay, insofar as they build to a philisophical climax and apply an meaningful abstract concept extrapolated from preceding examples universally in conclusion. In doing so, you start with a specific concept but end with an overarching universal truth and call to action that's hard to ignore. The intensity of your delivery escalates as well. I think that's part of why people like this particular series of lectures so much.
Certainly the demon function.
Stalin supposedly 'snapped' when his wife died, does that mean his superego took over? He became ESFJ to ENTJ
good chance of it
Stalin was a bandit since his teen years...
Typing of Heath Ledger's Joker as ENTp's ESFp superego is brilliant. He always seemed like an ENTP pretending to be an ESFP, but I knew there had to be a deeper reason for why he chose that specific get-up.
Man, your content just keeps getting better and better. For a long time I have been looking for answers and I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel last year. Now I have more of an idea of how to improve myself and I understand others a bit better. Keep up the awesome work, and I look forward to watching future and past videos.
This channel is so amazing. I was surprised that such a profound understanding of human nature even exists. I really appreciate your efforts CSJ.
I noticed In the fitness industry a lot of people are focusing on doing the expedient and taking the easy way out by taking steroid and doing all kinds of surgeries when they should do what's meaningful by working hard and eating healthy and gaining that mental toughness and that self discipline or will power in the process !
King Solomon (INTP?), when God offered him anything he asked for, he chose Wisdom. It was very pleasing to God, because he chose what was MEANINGFUL, not something EXPEDIENT like instant wealth, the death of his enemies, or even a long life.
Though he didn't apply his wisdom to himself very well, because his excessive wealth & wives & comforts almost destroyed him. (Unhealthy Si Child + Hypocritical Ni Critic?)
I think he is NT, I will have to look further into ECC.
I do feel the Se demon. When someone is really unfriendly or plain mean to me I dream about attacking them.. It's ugly and I hate myself for it. I haven't physically attacked anyone since elementary school. Maybe hurt or kept them from fighting but never injured anyone with intention. I do try to entertain people with jokes, like I don't care if they are really funny but if they respond well to my humor I like them. If I like you I'll laugh at your joke just to make you feel good. But I think that's more te -fi caring about people's opinion.
I remember the first day my Demon Function came out in full force...19 years ago...and absolutely, as an ENFJ, it was a demobilizing, to the heart, low blow that was literally delivered in under 5 seconds and left the recipient completely destroyed. I still remember that day...I was in grade 8 - the thought that such cruelty could come out of me was terrifying.
Listen to people, accept them, and give them freedom. Do meaningful things and do not take the easy route. Knowledge makes you richer than power does.
I cried watching the ENTP part
My dad's a ENTP and it's very accurate.
I can't relate to Fi demon still. Reason I watched this video was because my inferior function is somehow only surface level when dealing with people, and, someone noticed my Fi monologue, so she concluded i must be an ISFP. I went to check ISFPs quality, nothing matched. But at the time she noticed that Fi monologue, i was in a deep distress. I am not sure, but when I am super stressed, I tend to find something that can distract my mind completely from the problem, if after expressing it doesn't yield any effective results. I may or may not express whatever is bothering my mind. Depends on who I'm dealing with. Last year, I resorted to collecting fonts and other graphics. I was so obsessed about it. It was after ending a 7 year relationship. And i found digital art soothed my mind that I was addicted to it for months until someone new came. Can't say if what I did was destructive or something, but it did affect my work and productivity.
Or, there was a time when I was bullied, on the top of my stress, I resorted to hurt the bullies's loved ones.
I'm typed as a INTP. But I'm not sure anymore if I am a INTP. Tbh.
1:06:55 "I'm not going to give up"
you inspire me in ways you don't know Mr. Joseph. I am loving this man.
I know that the ENTP figure who is Naruto's mortal enemy you are referring to is Sasuke, right? But why can Sasuke have the MBTI ENTP type?
yes, this is the lesson I've been waiting for! So amazing, so well detailed and very intriguing too! thnx C.S Joseph
Naruto vs Pain haha!
Description of INFP daemon is spot on. I’m highly intelligent, but often get dismissed. It’s taken a lot to move past that stuff
I Agree 99.9% that Naruto is an Infj. Thanks that You Point It Out CSJ 👍👌. I've watched this video until the end. Thank, God, Thank U Very Much For This Another Super Valuable Video.
I wrote a book years ago based on myself but the kid was bullied in the story. He's killed comes back as a vampire and kills and tortures people. It was based on brutal slow painful deaths and yeah that was my dark side personified in a book.
Can Ti demon be why when I'm stressed I get argumentative and always need a last word. Also when I'm pissed and at my last straw I have no sympathy
Find yourself a teacher who would use anime as illustrations 🤩 Thanks for making a video on this one and for helping us understand this (and ourselves) better. You're great at this 👍
That rant starting after the 1 hour mark where you talk about healing fatherlessness... that made me fall in love with your soul (not anything romantic) but it was powerful and I felt that. I wish all world leaders would watch this video. I mean I could forward it to them, but they would never watch it or even get it.
What have you said about wisdom remembered me of this quranic verse which is translated from Arabic to English here "
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding "
well said
Are you university lecturer previously? I feel that your stuff is legit and how do you get all these information?
No I am not. And I learned while I was homeless. 10 years of study into this subject. I got lucky with learning under my mentors.
@@CSJosephI could not thank you more than anything for doing these sharing, 10 years is long time man. I have no mentors just studying from your youtube. So you are mentor to me. I'm ENFP that looking for answers.
@@johannsonyu3959 same here, enfps unite!
Kinda scary at times listening to this, but soooo very important!!! Thank you.
It would be great to know how to make the Demon a Gardian Angel. That would be Se.
Confused about INFP (Ti) demon, do you have another video where you go into more detail?
Yeah that would be great
Ti Demon actually seems to be the most powerful and intelligent function when its activated, maybe more intelligent than Ti Hero.
Would u like to further explain this thought? :)
My brother is an INTP who is addicted to substances and other carnal pleasures because he believes no one loves him. Not all INTP's like video games. He is a more hands on person and has never liked video games much. But believe me, he is very abstract. He used to design new things, like this really weird chair design he once came up with. And he speaks abstractly about things.
Also, it just struck me why ENFJ's are hypocritical - giving advice to others but not following it themselves. Because their Fe allows them to look into other people and they can think about what advice could be given to them. Their minimized use of the thinking functions means it's hard for them to think out how they are going to behave.
The Fi demon doesn’t know how to handle their emotions healthfully and therefore if they can’t deal this their own they can’t help others
I think it's the most interesting video you've done so far. Thanks for it !
I think it can also be relatad to the junguian ego death. I wonder what you think about it. If percieve it like this : maybe it's interesting to go in the superego once in while (after trying being in the subconcious and unconcious). As you said, it can be used as a restart button. I'm talking from the perspective of my own exprience. I'm an INTJ. I wonder if we go to our super ego mode more often because we're triple quick. In that case, this would also apply to ENFPs. But, I had tough experiences in my life. Being there many time made me explore my super ego. It's not angelic yet. It's really helpful though. I had a depression and anxiety problems for years and only by going to my super ego that I got rid of my medication. I organized my priorities. I took care of myself as a priority and I discovered what are my needs. In other word, a new ego is being created and I think it takes times. But, when the time comes, a new ego takes place.
Life is all about cycles and maybe we're supposed to be in our ego most of the times but not all the times. It's necessary to go the super ego. This causes an ego death and, then, a new ego is reborn.
That being said, I remember in one of your videos (S1E12 I guess) you said that the inferior function is the gateway into the subconscious, the nemesis function is the gateway into the unconscious side of the mind and the demon is the one to the superego. Then you said that the hero function is the pathway to the ego. Well, I think that the demon function can be also a gateway to it, to the ego... after the ego death, precisely to create a new ego, more mature and wise.
well said
42:55 - C.S. Joseph...actually roles up his sleeves confronting his own Se Demon, epic. - this lecture needs to be listened to and watched multiple times, it’s life changing.
Te demon ESFJ & ENFJ 25:50
Ti demon ISFP & INFP 28:30
Fe demon ESTJ & ENTJ 31:25
Fi demon ISTP & INTO 34:00
Si demon INTJ & INFJ 35:15
Ne demon ESTP & ESFP 39:30
Ni demon ISTJ & ISFJ 40:25
Se demon ENTP & ENFP 42:50
You are an angel 😇 Thank you so much for your information.
im not that cool
@@CSJoseph fair
Sucks to have Fi demon... it's the perfect ingredient towards developing addictive tendencies.
Back with another one. Damn, you're on a Roll!
Well done, Chase.
This man is another level of genius. You are amazing!! Keep it up!!! Please do Jordan Peterson personality please 🙏
much appreciated
you had a lot of fun with this episode.
yes
Lucifer was also an angel. In fact, he was the brightest angel before The Fall. We should eat our pride so as to avoid being succumbed by our respective demons.
Very good insights you have here. 🙏
(ENFJ) Since I got into this matter, specifically into your lectures, I can remember myself getting there once. Violently shutting up someone who I felt was ignoring my thoughts. Luckily, I realized where I was going and shut up myself before causing harm. I can also recall myself in the past frequently being in enviroments where I was, or at least felt (speaking retroactively analyzing), sorrounded by STPs, whom I mostly engaged with from the INFP shadow, not so rarely on the brink to snapping into ESTJ superego. But I think I never went that far, I always had enough self control. And it probably led to none of them going NFP superego in return, which I should be glad about.
8:45 the first dopest
It sounded like it was painful for you to admit that we are friends. 😂 It was like the one time my mother tried telling me I was pretty. 😂😂😂 "You still look...good...with glasses on. Why do you need contacts."
Actually what personality type was Eric Harris? I thought about it the other day and then you brought it up.😅😂
Se demon I believe was his demon function, so ENXP.
super ego is wrath, blind and self justified and it knows no limit. help !
I really like your lectures, they make me think deeper then I usualy feel confortable to, and I learn things and remamber things I forced myself to forget.
The story of adam and eive in islam goes like this when allah created adam,adam originally was in the heavens and allah told him don't eat from that tree and then the devil came to adam and Seducted him to eat from that tree and he listened to the devil and eated from the tree and then Allah sent them both to the earth after they were with him in the heavens.
Oh so thats why sasuke is an intj. clearly in Si demon
It’s scary how true this is in regards of me being ENTJ, I get sometimes pushed to the point of destruction like full on demon mode I want to destroy everything whether emotionally or physically! Either I would become destructive or become heavily selfish and ultra goal oriented in a form of revenge (although some people applaud me for it)
When you mention that the vid will be long, and its 1hr 15 min!! I can watch 10 hrs a day this channel is just so beneficial
I often get the desire to get revenge when I'm betrayed or treated badly, I almost feel murderous and want to destroy the world in the process of revenge but I keep my morals in place and keep reminders of it from the cross I wear around my neck.
Metaphorically speaking its like keeping my metaphorical werewolf form in containment.
TI Demon is relatable yet so is Se. Than again Se parent can be destructive if your pissed dad and I are both isfp and we get stressed and have a bad temper
23:36 "yet it somehow works out for Naruto (when he switched places with a demon temporarily)". You probably shouldn't use fiction as a source to draw conclusions about reality. What if the film director of Naruto (or the author behind Naruto storyline) is a covert satanist that wants to entice people to sell their souls by making it appear like a good idea with propaganda embedded in entertainment material?
I'm an INTJ (at least I'm pretty sure) and when I'm betrayed/taken for granted/forgotten about my Si Demon does NOT become self-destructive. I become extremely selfish. I don't know what other people in this comment section are talking about.
The moment my Si Demon is triggered (by people calling me a bad person/abandoning me after I give my all and open up) I start plotting revenge, like immediately. I hold deep grudges. I remember waiting and plotting for an entire month just to seek vengeance on an ESFP....and I got it too. I didn't become self-destructive at all. Actually, I invested more time into my body, clothes, money and social life. From the outside it looked like I was thriving, but internally I was waiting for the perfect moment to strike.
I did that too but my Appetite was ruined aswell i couldnt eat because of my broken heart and this kinda is self destruction since you lose alot of weight at some point. I got my revenge too, but she didnt care that long about it and she kept doing what she did to me.
@@schwarzwaldprinz99 You need to get better at revenge.
@@edennis8578 I did she ended up dying her hair 3 times and now she’s in a mental asylum
I Knew I Had An Actual Demon In Me. Makes Sense, Glad I Am Finding More Out About Myself & Why The Shadow Work I'm Doing Isn't Effective For Me.
can Se demon in our world (not so dramatic version like world destruction) also show itself through getting into fights? i know that in the past where i was „bullied“ i always beat up everyone and was extremely physical and aggressive. i also destroy things around me bc it relieves me. and to people i am extremely blunt about reality. not in Ti way, but telling how their delusions and their understanding of reality is pure shit and tell them what they‘re actually doing all the way.
and isolation everytime i feel slightly bad or threatened. (this seems contradictory)
does this seem Se demon? i‘m an ENTP (i think)
yes
There is NO sacrifice! ACIM. No compromise. Wu Wei- go with the flow. This reality is a consensus construct. Nothing real can be threatened nothing real exists.
(spoilers alert) Like ENTJ Thanos kill half of the universe, right?
INFJ
@@thunderboltmoulton He recently got typed INTP on one of the new videos by Chase
@@Entyipo Ne?
Ti?
His entire thinking process is Ni Dom based.
Demon Function Example:
A Brutal Honest Meaningful Conversation
Person:What are ways to solve the overpopulation crisis?
Daemon Bloodvile:My answer is this start committing acts of war and genocide, which is an efficient way to solve your overpopulation crisis, and I will be happy to look forward for the human race, to be driven out of extinction.😊💢
Person:Okay, that's a brutal honest answer you got there.
Can't relate. If someone betrays me I don't seek revenge. Never have.
I just cut them off.
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Same with me, just slam the door and life goes on. Lol. Or maybe what we've experienced is not bitter enough to wake the demon inside us?
INTJ here by the way.
@@WeisSchwarz Oh I've experienced some horrible stuff. A psychopath ex that used me to meet ends then chewed me out. I just closed the door and never looked back. Enfp by the way
Si demon is more about suicidal thoughts about killing ourself to punish and make others uncomfortable you missed it. I guess that is why us INTJ are so gloomy all the time we are basically stopping ourself from trying to kill ourself and it drains all the energy which is why we are so efficient about energy and plan stuff so far ahead to have hope that keeps demon in check. I hope this insight was useful.
So we should really marry our most socially compatible type to reach the angelic form. So I as an ESTJ should peruse an ISTP and we will both help each other become the ultimate versions of ourselves.
sure