When she admitted to being like, a voluntary pass-around to all the guys it just gave me the ick :/ idk why it’s so ex focused anyway. Where’s the nostalgia there? It’s just weird
My theory is that streaming services are killing tv. There is so much to watch and no anticipation for anything. You watch an entire season of a show in a day and then wait 2 years for another season to come out. Hollywood is probably making more money from people rewatching old shows at this point than they are from taking any risk on new projects. It’s really a creativity drought we are in currently and it’s depressing as hell.
I would like to add that seasons keep getting shorter. I'm rewatching House and it has 20+ chapters per season from season 1. No 10 chapters. 20+. There aren't many episodic shows anymore. They ask for a compromise from you.
The format of TV shows is incompatible with streaming. You really need an outstanding work, or a strong IP, to be somewhat competitive in the ocean of content. Nickelodeon and Disney channel 2000's live actions can't compete.
A million percent I’ve always thought this. If people don’t even have the patience to have a series released over 2-3 months, or god forbid 12+ episodes, we’re really setting ourselves up to be ran through by lesser quality shows or just getting rid of good shows that don’t give good numbers.
I loved Ned's declassified as a kid but those actors are so obsessed with the idea of the show being rebooted. like they are aware they can for audition for other shows right?
They can’t audition for other roles because this was the only ever somewhat hit these actors had so of course they’ll hold onto it as it’s all they have to think of themselves of😂
@@grimmreapz6855 Lindsey was in pretty little liars, but her addiction kinda ruined that for her. I believe she came back after rehab though, but I feel like the damage was done at that point
I remember being so excited for the idea of the Ned's Declassified reboot...then listening to the podcast and thinking how much I would rather not have that group back. Actively boasting about the things you were doing while most people saw you as a child in that role, even though by now we're around the same age. It just comes off as that energy of going to a class reunion and seeing one of your old classmates bragging about getting some action in the janitors closet. You just don't want to hear it, it makes you feel gross and uncomfortable and makes you realize these are people still stuck in that time period.
I Carly revival definitely had a dedicated fan base. When the show was airing, it trended constantly on Twitter and did well for TikTok trends too. It just got cancelled because most things get cancelled these days, I think that one is the exception in this nostalgia era
I never got the chance to actually watch that. But I agree, it was an amazing looking show that kept true to the characters. While not being too childish.
The first season of the revival needed a bit of time to find its footing, but once it did, it was genuinely fun to watch. I liked how they were able to keep the essence of the original. The characters are obviously grown-up, with some storylines touching upon more grown-up topics/problems, but they're not trying too hard to be grown-up if that makes sense. It makes me wish Lizzie McGuire revival pushed through.
I really loved Ned’s Declassified as a kid so the podcast controversies really threw me off 😭 like I understand teenagers get up to all sorts of stuff, but hearing about it when we saw these kids on TV is a bit too wild for me lol. Idk I’m not condemning them as people but yeah I’m not a fan
It feels insanely trashy IMO, especially after all the Quiet on Set stuff came out (and the fact that they made fun of it). I don't want to hear about a bunch of minors having sex on a Hollywood set
@@ambarcastaneda4763 Exactly. I don't think any of us wanted to know about these 14 year old child actors apparently sleeping with each other. Why did they think anyone would want to hear that?
@@Chiwowza oh righttt, I was trying to remember why everyone was hating them specifically, the sexual stuff is definitely part of it but their comments about Drake and the documentary definitely were distasteful
I think they should take a risk and age the content with their audience. Otherwise it's gonna be corny as heck. The Lizzie McGuire reboot sounded like it had some S3x in the City vibes, but Disney shut that down so quick 😢
Honestly, the cast desperation for a Ned's Declassified reboot was so palpable that it became uncomfortable to watch. Like Sean Young on Joan Rivers dressed as Catwoman uncomfortable (know your cringe history). Also the reason why they aren't getting rebooted now is that they've made the brand too toxic in their efforts to get rebooted, which sucks for them.
@@eatatjoes6751 And I do feel bad for them because it doesn't seem like they are working a lot. I saw some other video where they were trying to get another cast member to come on but she's too booked to do it
yea like idk how she could film that tiktok and not expect for ppl to clown on her in the comments, in general the desperation seeps through every clip kinda hard to watch
BoJack Horseman had a great bit where one of the child actors wanted ‘Horsin’ Around” to have a spin-off lega-sequel about himself called ‘Ethan Around,” but production never took off because BoJack, who promised to help produce it, flaked and ran away, never reconciling with Ethan.
More detail on that, remember when Ethan made the huge investment and move to Hollywood bc Bojack only agreed to do it after him asking for years, all to feed his ego, JUST for him to flake in the end. 😭
I remember the Ned’s Declassified podcast being my last straw for revivals because of exactly that - the show is now associated with “the cast got freaky on set” and not “the show is fun, people enjoyed it, the cast did too.” along with the cast peaking on that show and uncomfortably begging for a revival. It’s in the same vein as what people are starting to feel about Toy Story because they’re pumping out another movie. It’s not associated with whatever original feeling was there, now it’s “the franchise that’ll keep ending and coming back over and over.” because the people who don’t care that art exists for enjoyment/creativity just see everything without curse words thrown constantly as kiddy fodder and the people who are unnaturally obsessed with it don’t care about the fact that it was created with a vision in mind or how storytelling works.
Yeah, Toy Story 4 was so unnecessary when Toy Story 3 ws such a good ending! The fact that it retconned so much and kept putting down some of the original characters was so annoying.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Like, no, the first three Toy Stories weren’t just made for your braindead kid to drool over and keep quiet, they had a beginning, middle, and end.
I just remember Lindsay saying dumb shit about Trump, Daniel calling her out.. and then suddenly the 3 of them are all on a podcast together talking about how often they fooled around on set as teens... it just... I don't get it.. it feels desperate.
That's what I vaguely remember too; also something where she was mocking a group of Black kids on TikTok (over a TikTok dance), Devon kind of defending her and then Daniel was off to the side, sort of shading the both of them.
@@tapefiendDaniel seemed to be the one with the most common sense. He didn’t really confess to anything, if he even did anything on the show. It’s mostly Lindsey and Devon to a lesser extent
The David Henrie thing is also very interesting because his parents are/were in the industry as a producer and talent manager. Raven Symone and Chris Massey (Michael from Zoey 101) briefly referenced this & how he was one of the few kid actors that didn’t “need” his job nor did he particularly have the talent or passion for it (initially anyway).
girl meets world made sense bc the point of it was to be a reboot for a new audience, while most of the reboots now seem to be marketed towards the og fans as nostalgia bait
@ SO true. I was on the mid to older side of their target audience for gmw (born in 1999) but I had been watching a lot of bmw before school so I think I was part of the minority of fans of the original who were the target audience for gmw loooool
I watched GMW when I was a kid and imma be real it was pretty good. I don't think most of the viewers even watched boy meets world or knew what it was.
I feel like the majority of the Ned’s Declassified controversies come down to dumb or gross things said by Lindsey Shaw. I mean she and Devon have both certainly had their share of cringe moments on the podcast, but I actually kind of feel bad for Daniel since, as far as I’m aware, he’s been the least controversial of the three and often seems to get dragged into the other two’s mess simply because he’s guilty by association.
Yeah I thought the same thing. Daniel hasn’t really said or done too much on the podcast that’s cringe. I’d say it’s mostly Lindsey, followed by Devon, and Daniel is just left feeling embarrassed
After Devon mocked the victims from Quiet on Set, I don't think he deserves a reboot. I used to be on his side, but i hate how arrogant he's become and acts like he deserves a reboot as if he created these characters.
Specifically, Drake Bell and what he went through with Brian Peck. Coming out as the John Doe in the arrest case saga. I thought it would be cool to have a Ned's Declassified reboot, but I changed my mind a little when he made fun of Drake Bell. Devon also worked with Josh's tv dad Johnathon Goldstein several times I think (if Drake hadn't even told his mom about Brian Peck committing you know what to him, so they could set up an arrest trap for Brian, he would have played Walter Nichols on Drake and Josh).
I was absolutely ECSTATIC about the podcast and super hyped when it was announced the main trio would be hosting. I HAD to stop listening. It wasn’t JUST that they started talking about uncomfortable situations. They were awkward teenagers growing up on camera. Sure, talk about it. What pissed me off was they essentially STOPPED “recapping” the show and just started talking about marginally tangential things BARELY related to anything. They openly admitted that’s what the podcast warped into and at that point I had to give up. Bringing in guests who didn’t even APPEAR on the show, Lindsay Shaw trauma dumping, Devon clearly pissed he can’t get work, Daniel giving… nothing. For such a professional looking and produced show, it’s a dumpster fire of content. I want these actors to be successful. But it’s clear even growing up in marginally better circumstances they just aren’t fit for this medium despite the charisma and chemistry they share.
iCarly was about to get more interesting until the writer's strike happened. Paramount decided to cancel it instead of paying their artists. I guess we'll never know who Carly's mother is.
@@hospitable_ghost look at the rating history. Its startade making viewing records after season 3. Other shows have had those numbers in season one and still gotten cancalled. The popularity am refering to is one that make it impossible to cancel!
iCarly reboot still deserved a final season to just wrap up the mom plot. That's all I need from this craze. 🤞🏻 for the tv movie. Also, as someone who is very pro-OF and porn, I understand David's concerns because why would you bring an (currently) adult content creator onto a children's show? The real question is why they are asking if Jennifer Stone, who is now a nurse, or Bridgit Mendler, a damn astrophysicist or something, to come back?
Being pro of and porn means you’re supporting human trafficking and general human exploitation, though? Like its an old profession but supporting means ignoring the very real issues that come with it all because it brings money.
I’ve always thought a reboot “special” that is a single episode or event would be a better idea for these things if you have to do them. The thing about doing a whole show or series is that it can never win. It can never fully emulate the specific relationships, situation, and place in time that the original show had. But also that’s what most fans WANT out of the series, a simple continuation of the spirit of the original show. It’s an impossible task in almost all instances.
@@gregatkins2156 that’s what a lot of UK shows do all the time especially a festive special. Gavin and Stacy did a festive episode some time ago and now it’s back again for one more episode (the official finale) also the tv show Outnumber is also back for a Xmas one off too
Here's an example of your point: Zoey 101 had a short 5-minute sequel called "What Did Zoey Say "on Dan Schneider's channel that went viral in 2015. The actual reboot sequel "Zoey 102" in 2023 was universally panned.
ex: when Jules had her own special episode between seasons 1 + 2 of euphoria, the Bojack Horseman “Horsin Around” Christmas Special, Gravity Falls “Dipper’s Guide to the Unexplained”, as well as “Fixin it with Soos”, as well as Mabel’s segment (I unfortunately forgot the name, though the theme song is permanently engraved in my head)
I used to religiously watch Ned's podcasts but ever since they started talking about having sex on set or when they said that horrible thing about Drake and Alexa... I couldn't watch them again, they disgusted me so much... I feel like they lost all the fandom they had created and the opportunities for a possible reboot.
CC Romano of Even Stevens fame was also begging on social media for an Even Stevens revival, and her company was behind that filthy Ned’s Declassified podcast! 😵 Also, the planned Lizzie McGuire revival was one I was really rooting for and Disney’s stupid decisions cancelled it! 😢
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In my opinion once a shows ENTIRE main cast is doing a rewatch podcast, that is the sure fire sign that they’re NEVER getting a revival. They literally put a barrier between themselves and their potential producers and investors.
@@samaraisnt on these podcasts the cast all air out what happened on set and expect them to be picked up again. In a way the show runners can’t even acknowledge the podcasts because of the controversy the create especially when these revivals are still made for kids. All the adult ones fail but the ones made for a new generation last as long as the original… these people act like they run the show but they’re the ones reading scripts
Not always. It was the popularity of the wizards podcast that helped them get a revival. However I don’t think Jennifer Stone, or David Deluise have big parts in them. Also they act appropriately for the nature of the podcast.
@ David Henrie was trying to get the show back before they started the podcast though. He kept teasing that something wizards related was coming back on his instagram. Then a few months later the podcast came out so people thought that was what he was talking about. Then David didn’t appear on the podcast at all likely because he knew it would get in the way of him getting the show picked up. Even if the podcast isn’t too crazy you have to remember it’s Disney channel, actors need to be squeaky clean
For me it’s more they just want to reboot it to reboot it, they often don’t want to SAY anything. Most companies don’t remember that the kids nowadays don’t have the nostalgia for the old show which is 10/15 years old now- you NEED to make it for them too.
Very true. Disney, Nickelodeon, etc. are forgetting their target audience, because they're so busy trying to keep their former gen z audience, when most of us are adults now. Making these revivals MANY years later makes no sense, because kids now are going to be confused and disinterested, because the show is just a revival of an old one instead of it being an original show made for THEM, and the older audience that the show is actually trying to cater to will either forget it exists after watching one episode out of curiosity, or they'll hate it for being a cash grab or for "ruining their childhood", or they'll just be uninterested because of the corny and childish plotlines and characters that really appeal to kids more than adults. I liked Wizards of Waverly Place, but I'm completely uninterested in the revival, and while I know this isn't the case of all of the gen zers who were fans of the show as kids, I feel like most people who ARE interested in the revival might only watch the first two episodes and then move on. It just feels like they're isolating their gen alpha audience who have the potential to love Disney Channel the same way millennials and gen z did as kids, which is going to backfire on their company BADLY in the future.
@@mynameisreallycool1 yeah Wizards Beyond is a fine show, it’s just disappointing to see that it’ll fade to obscurity at some point. They can do a lot more interesting things. Like address the problems with the wizard system and ABOLISH the family wizard competition. They could’ve done so many interesting things with Justin as professor of Wiztech, but they kinda ruined it. And we all would’ve loved seeing an adult Alex Russo who is more matured. It’d make sense since Selena Gomez is someone who adults and kids love. This would’ve been a great opportunity to age up the show. Do more than what reboots in the past have done
@@mynameisreallycool1 it’s probably why Ravens Home worked because she wasn’t really the star, it was her with the kids. (I say haven’t not watched it but it did do very well because it can work standalone)
Making a super funny raunchy grown up version of Ned’s declassified could really be good, and I could see it being more profitable than the sanitized spinoffs….
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Here is a better question if David Henrie is so bothered by what Dan Benson does for work as some sort of moral objection and he is a devout catholic, then why is he coming back to do a show about witchcraft? A little confusing to me.
It is a bit weird, but from a brief Google I did, it does seem like Catholics are able to make a distinction between enjoying magic in fictional media and practicing it in reality (or the perception of doing so). It’s more the Protestant fundamentalists who demonized Harry Potter and the like…Katy Perry, for example, was a product of this in the pre-HP era, with her parents being against even things like “Lucky Charms,” because it promoted the idea of luck. And then we have the Duggars, who eschew the majority of mainstream media. It seems to vary based on denomination and sect. I mean, you have devout Mormon authors who are technically Christian, and this sect has multiple popular fantasy authors among its members like Card, Sanderson, and more, yet the Church is also notoriously anti-LGBTQ.
Is he bothered by what he does or Moreno bothered at the idea of a sex worker being on a children's tv show? You already got a great response about some religious people being able to distinct witchcraft and magic in the playful, tv sense.
I'm catholic myself, and I can openly say it's just pure and simple hypocrisy. This branch of christianism is more "flexible" lately, since there are so many interpretations, and direct social coercion is non existent in modern communities, so people can be picky and choose where they "draw the line" (not like church encourages it, but they can't stop it and that's great). This often conduces to a very hypocritical mindset if you try to apply your own biased criteria outside. The solution: stop using god or religion, which are introspective and personal, as weapons or arguments against others.
@@cakt1991it’s not a difference between Catholics and Protestants, it’s a difference between people. I’m Christian and I’m fine with hp and WOWP. And I know Catholics who would not be. Some are just fine with it others are not.
I think another factor is that people have really started to turn on the Ned’s declassified cast because of how they reacted to quiet on set. I didn’t know who they were or the podcast (except for Lindsey) until they reacted to quiet on set and they were panned hard for it. Tbh if they got a reboot I think either people won’t care or they’ll be mad because of their opinion of the cast. Ik it’s died down but it’ll come back probably if they get a reboot
I watched Wizards Beyond Waverly Place and its hilarious. It's a worthy sequel to the original. Alot of the jokes are really funny and the low budget special effects still crack me up just like the original.
I’m a Doctor Who fan. In 2023 the show celebrated 60 years on TV with David Tennant and Catherine Tate returning to the roles of characters they played in 2008. There was rumours that the main big bad The Toymaker deliberately brought two fan favourite characters back because it was going to be a comment on toxic nostalgia and now people don’t really *want* what they say they what want. The toxic nostalgia plot line didn’t end up happening and it’s so “odd to me” because fans got SO annoyed that “they cashed in on fan favourite characters just to win back fans” when I feel that most people don’t care anymore because it’s been like 15 years ago. People might say they would watch it but they won’t. They never will, people don’t and can’t out their money where their mouth is. They want to be a kid again, they want Dr Who to be the highlight of the week without work, or stress or bills. It’s not “why don’t they reboot this show I loved it as a kid” it’s actually “I wish I was a kid again”
The season was weird too. Alot of fans genuinely thought the doctor was in a fake universe with similar theories about the theme being tv related. The theories were cooler than what we ended up with
Bel Air is a really good reboot that is doing well. It took a season or two for it to find its footing but it has gotten better each season so far and has become its own show that gives subtle nods to the original and its working.
Cashing on nostalgia would always be unsuccessful, you just can't recreate a longing for another time of no worries and just chilling in your room watching these shows for the first time. I think podscasts like the Wizard of Waverly Pod did it with grace- talking about behind the sciences they remember, or a random background character that had a few lines. They clearly targeted it for the adults who were once children, and provide those nostalgic feeling for better times in the past.
Love love love that you do had your 'go vote' PSA at the very beginning of the video, so many UA-camrs sneak it in at the end of the vid and I'm like ??? DO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE 30 MINUTES 30 YES 30 MINUTES
A community cinema near me presented the entire twilight saga a few weeks ago and I went with my friends and I've never had so much fun on a cinema before.
Yes, there's something just fun about the experience of the Twilight films. It's fascinating. Have you ever watched the parody film Vampires Suck? It's hilarious!
Re: David Henrie I thought "making it a bigger deal than it needed to be" was pretty on brand for very religious people. A lot of religious people think that "pointing out the wrong" is part of dedicating yourself to your religion. Judging other people comes with the territory, and specially making a show of it so the people witnessing it KNOW there is a "conflict between right and wrong" and hopefully understand that the people MAKING the scene are in fact in the right. If he had a little bit more charisma, he could have said "Nah, I can't believe you put Bridget Mendler here! She has a doctorate now, she's too busy researching to come back to the show!" and saved face, but he really wants everyone to know that he's talking about A CERTAIN SOMEONE and that HE'S A DEVIANT and how much HE DISAPPROVES of that behavior. It's all on brand. People should be discussing other things, like how there were several ways he could have handled that better, including asking for a pause to inform the producers in private without overexposing the issue to the young cast and yet he decided to keep going, generating all of this drama.
To his credit he has a point why would they have his character in that segment after what he does. If those kids found out what he did after when they are grown up they will be weirded out he was brought up in that context to come back for a kid show
They’re following the same path that Christy Carlson Romano did. When you can’t garner enough relevance from your other attempts to resurface, and there’s no hope of a reboot or the show you were on, turn to F bombs, discussing sex and other non kid’s network friendly material to appeal to those who grew up watching you and are grown enough to go, “Oh my gawd, I want to hear about off camera drama, that actor or actress’s sex life, or hear this seemingly squeaky clean child talk about grown up things.” When capitalizing off nostalgia fails, the default is shock value.
i stopped following her back in 2020 when she started making skits poking fun at fellow child stars who struggled publicly with their mental health, like lindsay lohan and amanda bynes. she behaves terribly unemployed for someone who is, or was, at the time, still doing voice work in animation. i literally laughed when i got her nostalgia bait podcast recommended to me. like, of course she’d go that route💀
The problem with these reboot/spin off shows is that they are so dependent on the nostalgia factor that they forget to actually make a good show with a good plot and interesting characters.
The problem with nostalgia reboots of children's shows is that it only appeals to adults, you're not bringing in new children. Disney has this exact problem at the moment, what kid that saw the live action Mulan or Lion King is going to grow up to show those movies to their own children?
@@mariokarter13 also how can those live action reboots be for a new generation when there’s multiple out a year, they’ve slowed down now due to pandemic and strikes but in 2019 there was 5 out in one year
But that makes them more mature. They tried with Lizzie McGuire and failed. Yet succeeded with Ravens Home. Also imagine the characters on iCarly are still acting the same way like they did 10 years ago... Yuck no. Also the new generation won't be interested because they don't watch TV or streaming at all.
@@Simbala-bq5vyThey do stream, and yes you do need to appeal to them. The problem ironically is that 80’s kids refuse to grow and demand all entertainment be made for them. Leaving out the kids out. Some shows should be for older audiences, some for both, and some for (gasp) just younger kids and there’s nothing wrong with that. You’d be surprised how many grown adult I’ve met won’t let their kids watch a cartoon unless it’s something they can both watch together. Not cause the show in question had offensive content but cause he thought it was too kiddie and he personally didn’t like it.
I think it’s the parasocial relationship they’ve developed with their audience. Entertainers forget that having a platform means you have an AUDIENCE. not friends. An audience. You don’t have honest friend discussions with your audience. No matter how relatable your image is, there will always have to be boundaries and professionalism. Always. Don’t ever get fooled into thinking your audience is just a bunch of friends hanging out. Never.
2:16 the SpongeBob movie marked the end of my childhood. If I was in the audience for that screening, I would be happily/painfully sobbing for my youth. (Age 31)
I tried to listen to the Ned Declassified’s podcast because one of my favorite actors was a guest on it. I couldn’t do it. The mid sentence ads made me so angry.
I mean it is “weird to think about” but they were doing pretty typical teen things. I myself wasn’t giving bj’s at that age but I know a TON of other teens/peers that were.
I agree. It’s just teen stuff. Plus I think it threw people off cause they were actual teens and not the 30 year olds playing teens. It weird but I don’t hate them for it. Problem is that’s the perception people have of, not the actors anymore, but of the characters. Sometimes perception matters. Look at the show Felicity. That show was a hit. Then Keri Russell cut her hair and destroyed that show. It sounds silly to say in hindsight, but it’s true. The audience had a preconceived perception of the show and short hair ruined that perception. That’s what happened to Ned’s.
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The problem I have with nostalgia bait is it robs new shows/creations of the chance to fill the void. Star Wars banked off nostalgia for the space race, the original Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers. GoT was a response to LotR. Girls was the Millenial take on Sex and The City. Disney banked on adapting stories European immigrants would have grown up hearing. This is a tradition in storytelling; take what you love and make it personal. But without the name recognition or free marketing of "X but again", no one wants to risk it, especially when the IPs are concentrated in so few hands. Why make the new X when we already OWN X?
I think the whole Ned’s declassified reboot is kinda sad as Devon and the creator went to Nick with a pitch which Nick seemed to like but said no and then wouldn’t give up the IP. Like it kinda sucks that they can’t even do like a UA-cam series or something
@@hallebriede8383 the amount of companies who just hold onto IP to hold on to them yet don’t wanna do anything is WILD. Why don’t you wanna make more money?
@ that is true, which thank god they did bc I love p&f lol but it is an animated series which hadn’t aired aka not IP of Disney yet. The Ned’s reboot would be about adult life but it would be different if it was currently made vs 15 years as the actors will be in different places in their lives. I believe the pitch was about them in their 30s so it would have to be adjusted if it does get greenlit more than 5+ years from now
I think the quiet on set doc has pretty much ended the Nickelodeon nostalgia train. They’re now rebooting stuff from the mid to late 2010s instead of the 90s and 2000s since they’ve all been tainted. They are making a live Action rugrats movie too. Disney has ran through most of their nostalgia too (aside from Phineas and Ferb) before you know if they’ll be trying to bring back shows that came out during the pandemic because realistically the nostalgia train has run its course. And honestly with animation I don’t think it counts. There’s already a million looney toons variants and scooby doo variants so cartoons have always been rebooted and we should honestly expect that at this point….
i feel like instead of rebooting shows with the same characters, it’d be cooler to do spin-off series within the same universes to further explore the world like what happened with happy days, laverne and shirley, and mork and mindy. i think this would’ve worked really well for the wowp reboot, especially with the amount of creatures that the show introduced. the new show could’ve focused on vampires, werewolves, angels, or even the zombies introduced in the prom episode.
I think that in the lane of “I.P. cash grab nostalgia pron,” Barbie set a bar in terms of artistic merit and box office success that everything else is going to be judged against, even if subliminally.
What’s wild is Devon has said he was still loosing baby teeth while at the same time getting brain from Lindsay. And she was two years older than him too, mind you.
I think the whole Wizards Of Waverly Place thing was blown out of proportion. Of course he doesn't want to invite a p0rn actor to guest star in the show. It's the same reason why the ginger from Boys Meets World wasn't invited to the reboot.
I find it interesting that you left out Raven's Home and Fuller House. Two shows that went on for five seasons. They both had drama to deal with and the shows mostly did fine. Also, I feel the need to say that if audiences want studios to produce fresh content then they should at least try to support them. While films like Megalopolis definitely are not perfect, the fact that so few people saw them to begin with, especially compared to films like Beetlejuice, show that most audiences are not willing to invest the time and money into new content over old content to ensure that it gets produced.
The ned's declassified podcast is just super raw and transparent, about alllll sorts of life stuff. They talk about so much beyond sex or relationships. I appreciate the vulnerability and realness. Not for everyone I understand but they're just sharing honest thoughts and stories
I also feel reboots have declined jn popularity similar to suoerhero movie franchises is bc it has come at the expense of so many original contents in terms of streaming so many original shows with such great potential get cancelled bc it doesn’t bc the rating juggernaut the streaming services wanted it to be, but in addition it also has to do with budgeting issues where the streaming companies doesn’t put in investment for production costs and/or both marketing, promo costs, but then a revival or reboot series with a huge fanbase will come through and get so much investment even when it’s not popular among viewers, that’s what happened to the gossip girl reboot, so much money into that show and no one watched 😂. Even shows that aren’t reboots and revivals but built off of popular nostalgia like Ryan Murphy monsters and stranger things are attached to this, I feel this caused a justifiable resentment from a lot of viewers.
To be fair, popularity and cast's behavior aside, Ned's Declassified is kinda like Good Luck Charlie for example, in that the CONCEPT of the show warrants a reboot or sequel (College Survival Guide, Adulthood Survival Guide, Parenthood Survival Guide) more so than iCarly or Zoey 101 to be honest.
I actually really liked the iCarly reboot. Still mad they never gave us a season finale btw. It felt fresh while still maintaining several of the elements that made you like it originally. And unlike Raven’s Home where it aimed its show towards younger views, iCarly aged the characters up and put them in adult situations because the viewers were also adults. But it didn’t get to the point where it was as vulgar as the Ned’s Declassified cast on the podcast. From what we know about the first episode, I think the cancelled Lizzie McGuire reboot would have gone a similar direction to that of iCarly had Hillary Duff gotten her way with it.
I liked the Icarly reboot too! i do wish it was aimed more towards adults, Even though they has more adult situations, it was still in a safe family lense at the same time but it was still good. I dont think any other Reboots of these shows are good though lol
I remember seeing the puppet guy from victorious host concert of him singing famous Nick songs with an audience and I was impressed with how many adults were in there it seemed like there's a genuine audience for it.
tbf it's fine for a creator to change a title if they believe different words will get them clicks. Especially when a video is young, it's best to try to get more people to click on it (without being too click baity)
the iCarly reboot is honestly one of the grossest ones especially after jennette mccurdy’s book and the revelations there. imagine being on a healing path and now there’s a reboot to remind you of the horrors you went through. i’m glad she didn’t do the show again, but the fact that she’s gone is such a huge obvious red flag
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THE SPONGEBOB MOVIE SCREENING FUUUUUCK im literally from chicago but living abroad atm 😭😭😭 i love(d) thaat movie sooooo much :) so deeply FUNNY and nostalgic and also such an apt intro to the video topic
I just finishing watching Dark and it's one of the best shows I've ever seen. It's right up there with Breaking Bad in terms of quality!! And it ended exactly when it needed to, it didn't drag on. I hope more people watch that show, the writing is fantastic and the casting and acting are absolutely incredible!!
8:52 when you know they were 12-14 in this story it makes so much more uncomfortable and harder to hear. Which fans watching the show would know that makes this so much worse and really soured me to a reboot or even watching the podcast. They should have cut it out of it even if she sad it.
I'm honestly sick to death of how many "new" things coming out are just revivals/reboots of older media. Then new releases that actually ARE new have no budget or hype behind them. Studios are no longer willing to put real effort towards fresh ideas and would rather run every existing IP into the ground. I always dreamed of working in the entertainment industry and it's honestly so sad to see.
i wonder which show will get some sort of reboot next. i don’t really want any of them to as someone who wants to become a screenwriter someday (lol) but if i had to choose i’d go with big time rush
Eh, the BTR members are focusing on their music rn so Idk if they're up to doing a revival show. Plus all of them are problematic in different way so idk if I'd want that
Lindsey is obviously losing it a bit. Didn't both the Ned podcast and her PLL podcast both get cancelled by PodCo a week or two ago? And she was posting about how PodCo basically thought she was difficult to work with or something? Super messy.
I undrerstand many people don't like Trump, but Kamala Harris is truly a terrible candidate. I wish people would educate themselves better before voting.
@TheCandela15 there's some policys I disagree with and some I agree with like any candidate. I'd say she's around Barack Obama level. Her economics are great much better then trumps but she's saying the quite bits of the Obama administration out loud. Like he deported a lot of people but he didn't advise it she's just saying to quite part out loud to get republican votes.
The only (yes, ONLY) revival to actually be good is Twin Peaks: The Return. The reason it works is because David Lynch and Mark Frost DID NOT CARE about the viewers' nostalgia for the show and DID NOT GIVE fanservice. It was a revisit worth taking and opening a whole new set of questions. Sure, it isn't gonna be for everyone, but it chose to be its own thing and thus it gains respect because of it.
The only other revival that worked is FOP: A New Wish, ironically because they didn’t try that hard to please old fans and the way they smoothly introduced old stuff works seamlessly.
I think this is mostly a quality issue. Like, people generally fucking love new takes on old media (spider-verse comes to mind, but also stuff like Star Trek TNG, the Clone Wars animated show are examples), but nostalgia alone WILL NOT be able to make a bad movie profitable. People who do not know anything about storytelling (CEOs) will see something like Spider-verse's success and think that the Spider-man IP is why it was successful. No dude, its because some people had a genuine creative vision and a new story to tell with old characters. You cannot substitute artists actually trying to tell a cohesive story with a popular IP. Edited because I forgot that not everyone will know what TNG is lol.
They pretty much tarnished their brand. Lindsay talking about running through all the cast members on the set, making fun of Drake Bell,who was Sexually Abused by Acting Coach & getting Jealous because wizards of Waverly place was giving a reboot but not their show Ned was not a top tier Nickelodeon program. Rugrats SpongeBob Avatar: The Last Airbender All That Kenan & Kel Hey Arnold! iCarly Zoey 101 Drake & Josh The Fairly OddOarents Big Time Rush Jimmy Neutron The Amanda Show Are You Afraid Of The Dark? Ren & Stimpy Invader Zim Danny Phantom Victorious Those Shows were major Hits for Nickelodeon and Carries more to their name than what Ned Declassified had It's never gonna happen. Move on and go audition for other gigs. Leave the show in the past.
@NewBloodMoon6000 Preach! I've never seen many episodes of the show and I was a young child when all the shows you listed were on. Seemed like even Nickelodeon didn't care for the show.
i wouldnt even want a reboot, the cast's podcast has given me such a bad ick id rather never hear about ned's declassified ever again . idk it felt very "pick me" the way Lindsey was bragging about "getting around"
I’d actually love a sequel to Ned’s Declassified. They should have kept their conversations about sex private instead of publicly talking about it in a podcast.
Can I just say how much I approve of the ending credit music choice? It brings back in the SpongeBob opening, while also being about the regret of taking something too far by running it into the ground past it's original value. A spot on choice for this video 😂🧡
Honestly WILD to confess you’ve had s** on set/during break then ask Nickelodeon to give you a reboot
Not the wildest thing that's ever come out from a Nickelodeon employee, ngl.
@@eliasmg9144 Clock that tea
Pretty sure Quiet on Set exposed wilder things from Nick 😂😂😂
When she admitted to being like, a voluntary pass-around to all the guys it just gave me the ick :/ idk why it’s so ex focused anyway. Where’s the nostalgia there? It’s just weird
@@eliasmg9144 Didn't Jeanette McCurdy experience more than this in her autobiography?
My theory is that streaming services are killing tv. There is so much to watch and no anticipation for anything. You watch an entire season of a show in a day and then wait 2 years for another season to come out. Hollywood is probably making more money from people rewatching old shows at this point than they are from taking any risk on new projects. It’s really a creativity drought we are in currently and it’s depressing as hell.
I would like to add that seasons keep getting shorter. I'm rewatching House and it has 20+ chapters per season from season 1. No 10 chapters. 20+.
There aren't many episodic shows anymore. They ask for a compromise from you.
I think thats why korean and other asian shows and movies are gaining popularity. They are still producing new ideas!!
The format of TV shows is incompatible with streaming. You really need an outstanding work, or a strong IP, to be somewhat competitive in the ocean of content. Nickelodeon and Disney channel 2000's live actions can't compete.
we are not in a creativity drought. companies are just too greedy
A million percent I’ve always thought this. If people don’t even have the patience to have a series released over 2-3 months, or god forbid 12+ episodes, we’re really setting ourselves up to be ran through by lesser quality shows or just getting rid of good shows that don’t give good numbers.
I loved Ned's declassified as a kid but those actors are so obsessed with the idea of the show being rebooted. like they are aware they can for audition for other shows right?
chances are they’re constantly failing them and begging for the reboot to finally get some work (especially Devon)
They can’t audition for other roles because this was the only ever somewhat hit these actors had so of course they’ll hold onto it as it’s all they have to think of themselves of😂
@@grimmreapz6855 Lindsey was in pretty little liars, but her addiction kinda ruined that for her. I believe she came back after rehab though, but I feel like the damage was done at that point
@@grimmreapz6855 I feel like the two male actors can be on other comedy shows though, but it sounds like they have a lot of self doubt
I remember being so excited for the idea of the Ned's Declassified reboot...then listening to the podcast and thinking how much I would rather not have that group back. Actively boasting about the things you were doing while most people saw you as a child in that role, even though by now we're around the same age.
It just comes off as that energy of going to a class reunion and seeing one of your old classmates bragging about getting some action in the janitors closet. You just don't want to hear it, it makes you feel gross and uncomfortable and makes you realize these are people still stuck in that time period.
Yep. I never liked Lindsay, even as a kid. Now I know why.
I loved the show growing up, but man the podcast ruined it.
@@FraZzJI never got into Ned's declassified was she that bad?
I Carly revival definitely had a dedicated fan base. When the show was airing, it trended constantly on Twitter and did well for TikTok trends too. It just got cancelled because most things get cancelled these days, I think that one is the exception in this nostalgia era
I never got the chance to actually watch that. But I agree, it was an amazing looking show that kept true to the characters. While not being too childish.
I agree, was genuinely invested in the story
The first season of the revival needed a bit of time to find its footing, but once it did, it was genuinely fun to watch. I liked how they were able to keep the essence of the original. The characters are obviously grown-up, with some storylines touching upon more grown-up topics/problems, but they're not trying too hard to be grown-up if that makes sense. It makes me wish Lizzie McGuire revival pushed through.
I was genuinely upset with its cancellation. I agree that it's one of the or the only exception
It was pretty decent as well
I really loved Ned’s Declassified as a kid so the podcast controversies really threw me off 😭 like I understand teenagers get up to all sorts of stuff, but hearing about it when we saw these kids on TV is a bit too wild for me lol. Idk I’m not condemning them as people but yeah I’m not a fan
Same, it's just TMI for me. Like I don't need to know that lol
It feels insanely trashy IMO, especially after all the Quiet on Set stuff came out (and the fact that they made fun of it). I don't want to hear about a bunch of minors having sex on a Hollywood set
@@ambarcastaneda4763 Exactly. I don't think any of us wanted to know about these 14 year old child actors apparently sleeping with each other. Why did they think anyone would want to hear that?
@@Chiwowza oh righttt, I was trying to remember why everyone was hating them specifically, the sexual stuff is definitely part of it but their comments about Drake and the documentary definitely were distasteful
Yeah, that was weird as definitely TMI.
Most reboots have failed because they're not good or funny. Yes, you get the occasional gem but most of them are cash grabs.
I think they should take a risk and age the content with their audience. Otherwise it's gonna be corny as heck. The Lizzie McGuire reboot sounded like it had some S3x in the City vibes, but Disney shut that down so quick 😢
The new icarly show was kinda good, tho
nowadaya theyre just banking on nostalgia. thats why we see so many reboots, revivals. etc.
Ravens home was a success and so was fuller house
I watched less than a season of Raven’s Home and I was the target audience for the original and loved it lol it just didn’t hit the same.
Honestly, the cast desperation for a Ned's Declassified reboot was so palpable that it became uncomfortable to watch. Like Sean Young on Joan Rivers dressed as Catwoman uncomfortable (know your cringe history). Also the reason why they aren't getting rebooted now is that they've made the brand too toxic in their efforts to get rebooted, which sucks for them.
Yeah, like, it reeks of this pathetic desperation that I don’t think any of the other revivals had.
Yeah, at this point I'll just stick to my head canon. The ending of the show was a good finale.
@@eatatjoes6751 And I do feel bad for them because it doesn't seem like they are working a lot. I saw some other video where they were trying to get another cast member to come on but she's too booked to do it
yea like idk how she could film that tiktok and not expect for ppl to clown on her in the comments, in general the desperation seeps through every clip kinda hard to watch
Sucks to suck!
BoJack Horseman had a great bit where one of the child actors wanted ‘Horsin’ Around” to have a spin-off lega-sequel about himself called ‘Ethan Around,” but production never took off because BoJack, who promised to help produce it, flaked and ran away, never reconciling with Ethan.
I totally remember that bit and it has aged like milk.
@ on the contrary, I think it’s pretty salient to Kayla’s point that most nostalgia TV sequels are failures.
More detail on that, remember when Ethan made the huge investment and move to Hollywood bc Bojack only agreed to do it after him asking for years, all to feed his ego, JUST for him to flake in the end. 😭
I remember the Ned’s Declassified podcast being my last straw for revivals because of exactly that - the show is now associated with “the cast got freaky on set” and not “the show is fun, people enjoyed it, the cast did too.” along with the cast peaking on that show and uncomfortably begging for a revival.
It’s in the same vein as what people are starting to feel about Toy Story because they’re pumping out another movie. It’s not associated with whatever original feeling was there, now it’s “the franchise that’ll keep ending and coming back over and over.” because the people who don’t care that art exists for enjoyment/creativity just see everything without curse words thrown constantly as kiddy fodder and the people who are unnaturally obsessed with it don’t care about the fact that it was created with a vision in mind or how storytelling works.
Yeah, Toy Story 4 was so unnecessary when Toy Story 3 ws such a good ending! The fact that it retconned so much and kept putting down some of the original characters was so annoying.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Like, no, the first three Toy Stories weren’t just made for your braindead kid to drool over and keep quiet, they had a beginning, middle, and end.
I just remember Lindsay saying dumb shit about Trump, Daniel calling her out.. and then suddenly the 3 of them are all on a podcast together talking about how often they fooled around on set as teens... it just... I don't get it.. it feels desperate.
That's what I vaguely remember too; also something where she was mocking a group of Black kids on TikTok (over a TikTok dance), Devon kind of defending her and then Daniel was off to the side, sort of shading the both of them.
@@tapefiendDaniel seemed to be the one with the most common sense. He didn’t really confess to anything, if he even did anything on the show. It’s mostly Lindsey and Devon to a lesser extent
The David Henrie thing is also very interesting because his parents are/were in the industry as a producer and talent manager. Raven Symone and Chris Massey (Michael from Zoey 101) briefly referenced this & how he was one of the few kid actors that didn’t “need” his job nor did he particularly have the talent or passion for it (initially anyway).
from what i hear the icarly reboot was better than expected and i'm mad that it got cancelled as soon as i started to find interest in it.
They cancelled it at it's peak and that was a mistake!
@@Simbala-bq5vy Agree
I blame Girl Meets World for all the reboots but that was also a big time gap from the original lol
girl meets world made sense bc the point of it was to be a reboot for a new audience, while most of the reboots now seem to be marketed towards the og fans as nostalgia bait
@ SO true. I was on the mid to older side of their target audience for gmw (born in 1999) but I had been watching a lot of bmw before school so I think I was part of the minority of fans of the original who were the target audience for gmw loooool
I watched GMW when I was a kid and imma be real it was pretty good. I don't think most of the viewers even watched boy meets world or knew what it was.
@@hallebriede8383 Me too
I feel like the majority of the Ned’s Declassified controversies come down to dumb or gross things said by Lindsey Shaw. I mean she and Devon have both certainly had their share of cringe moments on the podcast, but I actually kind of feel bad for Daniel since, as far as I’m aware, he’s been the least controversial of the three and often seems to get dragged into the other two’s mess simply because he’s guilty by association.
Yeah I thought the same thing. Daniel hasn’t really said or done too much on the podcast that’s cringe. I’d say it’s mostly Lindsey, followed by Devon, and Daniel is just left feeling embarrassed
After Devon mocked the victims from Quiet on Set, I don't think he deserves a reboot. I used to be on his side, but i hate how arrogant he's become and acts like he deserves a reboot as if he created these characters.
Specifically, Drake Bell and what he went through with Brian Peck. Coming out as the John Doe in the arrest case saga. I thought it would be cool to have a Ned's Declassified reboot, but I changed my mind a little when he made fun of Drake Bell. Devon also worked with Josh's tv dad Johnathon Goldstein several times I think (if Drake hadn't even told his mom about Brian Peck committing you know what to him, so they could set up an arrest trap for Brian, he would have played Walter Nichols on Drake and Josh).
I was absolutely ECSTATIC about the podcast and super hyped when it was announced the main trio would be hosting. I HAD to stop listening. It wasn’t JUST that they started talking about uncomfortable situations. They were awkward teenagers growing up on camera. Sure, talk about it. What pissed me off was they essentially STOPPED “recapping” the show and just started talking about marginally tangential things BARELY related to anything.
They openly admitted that’s what the podcast warped into and at that point I had to give up.
Bringing in guests who didn’t even APPEAR on the show, Lindsay Shaw trauma dumping, Devon clearly pissed he can’t get work, Daniel giving… nothing. For such a professional looking and produced show, it’s a dumpster fire of content.
I want these actors to be successful. But it’s clear even growing up in marginally better circumstances they just aren’t fit for this medium despite the charisma and chemistry they share.
Is that what happened? Man, it’s the podcast I feared the other podcasts would eventually turn into.
Can we just acknowledge these absolutely masterful chapter names? “Viva La Voice Crack?” “Dead On Revival?” Absolute gold
Dead on Revival…I’m gagged as a TTTYG lover
So many revivals are being cancelled now, just when they're starting to get decent, and no longer riding on the coattails of the original.
So sad, now they expect them to take of on the first season. Remember games of thrones was popular after 3 season
@@tyckeriGame of Thrones was popular right out of the gate. The season one finale was a huge reveal everyone was talking about.
iCarly was about to get more interesting until the writer's strike happened. Paramount decided to cancel it instead of paying their artists. I guess we'll never know who Carly's mother is.
@@hospitable_ghost look at the rating history. Its startade making viewing records after season 3. Other shows have had those numbers in season one and still gotten cancalled. The popularity am refering to is one that make it impossible to cancel!
Miranda aged pretty well. In 13 years we’ll get the reboot to the reboot
iCarly reboot still deserved a final season to just wrap up the mom plot. That's all I need from this craze. 🤞🏻 for the tv movie.
Also, as someone who is very pro-OF and porn, I understand David's concerns because why would you bring an (currently) adult content creator onto a children's show? The real question is why they are asking if Jennifer Stone, who is now a nurse, or Bridgit Mendler, a damn astrophysicist or something, to come back?
Jennifer Stone still acts on and off so she might come back.
@@icecreamhero2375 Good, loved Harper
@@pettylisa3 Me too she is one of the funniest characters.
Bridget Mendler would probably be unavailable.
Being pro of and porn means you’re supporting human trafficking and general human exploitation, though? Like its an old profession but supporting means ignoring the very real issues that come with it all because it brings money.
I’ve always thought a reboot “special” that is a single episode or event would be a better idea for these things if you have to do them.
The thing about doing a whole show or series is that it can never win. It can never fully emulate the specific relationships, situation, and place in time that the original show had. But also that’s what most fans WANT out of the series, a simple continuation of the spirit of the original show. It’s an impossible task in almost all instances.
@@gregatkins2156 that’s what a lot of UK shows do all the time especially a festive special.
Gavin and Stacy did a festive episode some time ago and now it’s back again for one more episode (the official finale) also the tv show Outnumber is also back for a Xmas one off too
Here's an example of your point: Zoey 101 had a short 5-minute sequel called "What Did Zoey Say "on Dan Schneider's channel that went viral in 2015. The actual reboot sequel "Zoey 102" in 2023 was universally panned.
@mikomiko_xo that short was great. The movie was not
I agree! Or if the podcast was just the actors essentially discussing fan theories about what might happen to the characters down the line.
ex: when Jules had her own special episode between seasons 1 + 2 of euphoria, the Bojack Horseman “Horsin Around” Christmas Special, Gravity Falls “Dipper’s Guide to the Unexplained”, as well as “Fixin it with Soos”, as well as Mabel’s segment (I unfortunately forgot the name, though the theme song is permanently engraved in my head)
I used to religiously watch Ned's podcasts but ever since they started talking about having sex on set or when they said that horrible thing about Drake and Alexa... I couldn't watch them again, they disgusted me so much... I feel like they lost all the fandom they had created and the opportunities for a possible reboot.
CC Romano of Even Stevens fame was also begging on social media for an Even Stevens revival, and her company was behind that filthy Ned’s Declassified podcast! 😵 Also, the planned Lizzie McGuire revival was one I was really rooting for and Disney’s stupid decisions cancelled it! 😢
She still is, as well as a Kim Possible revival as well.
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In my opinion once a shows ENTIRE main cast is doing a rewatch podcast, that is the sure fire sign that they’re NEVER getting a revival. They literally put a barrier between themselves and their potential producers and investors.
wdym by a barrier?
@@samaraisnt on these podcasts the cast all air out what happened on set and expect them to be picked up again. In a way the show runners can’t even acknowledge the podcasts because of the controversy the create especially when these revivals are still made for kids. All the adult ones fail but the ones made for a new generation last as long as the original… these people act like they run the show but they’re the ones reading scripts
Not always. It was the popularity of the wizards podcast that helped them get a revival. However I don’t think Jennifer Stone, or David Deluise have big parts in them. Also they act appropriately for the nature of the podcast.
@ David Henrie was trying to get the show back before they started the podcast though. He kept teasing that something wizards related was coming back on his instagram. Then a few months later the podcast came out so people thought that was what he was talking about. Then David didn’t appear on the podcast at all likely because he knew it would get in the way of him getting the show picked up. Even if the podcast isn’t too crazy you have to remember it’s Disney channel, actors need to be squeaky clean
For me it’s more they just want to reboot it to reboot it, they often don’t want to SAY anything.
Most companies don’t remember that the kids nowadays don’t have the nostalgia for the old show which is 10/15 years old now- you NEED to make it for them too.
Very true. Disney, Nickelodeon, etc. are forgetting their target audience, because they're so busy trying to keep their former gen z audience, when most of us are adults now.
Making these revivals MANY years later makes no sense, because kids now are going to be confused and disinterested, because the show is just a revival of an old one instead of it being an original show made for THEM, and the older audience that the show is actually trying to cater to will either forget it exists after watching one episode out of curiosity, or they'll hate it for being a cash grab or for "ruining their childhood", or they'll just be uninterested because of the corny and childish plotlines and characters that really appeal to kids more than adults. I liked Wizards of Waverly Place, but I'm completely uninterested in the revival, and while I know this isn't the case of all of the gen zers who were fans of the show as kids, I feel like most people who ARE interested in the revival might only watch the first two episodes and then move on.
It just feels like they're isolating their gen alpha audience who have the potential to love Disney Channel the same way millennials and gen z did as kids, which is going to backfire on their company BADLY in the future.
@@mynameisreallycool1 yeah Wizards Beyond is a fine show, it’s just disappointing to see that it’ll fade to obscurity at some point. They can do a lot more interesting things. Like address the problems with the wizard system and ABOLISH the family wizard competition. They could’ve done so many interesting things with Justin as professor of Wiztech, but they kinda ruined it. And we all would’ve loved seeing an adult Alex Russo who is more matured. It’d make sense since Selena Gomez is someone who adults and kids love. This would’ve been a great opportunity to age up the show. Do more than what reboots in the past have done
@@mynameisreallycool1 it’s probably why Ravens Home worked because she wasn’t really the star, it was her with the kids.
(I say haven’t not watched it but it did do very well because it can work standalone)
Making a super funny raunchy grown up version of Ned’s declassified could really be good, and I could see it being more profitable than the sanitized spinoffs….
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Here is a better question if David Henrie is so bothered by what Dan Benson does for work as some sort of moral objection and he is a devout catholic, then why is he coming back to do a show about witchcraft? A little confusing to me.
It is a bit weird, but from a brief Google I did, it does seem like Catholics are able to make a distinction between enjoying magic in fictional media and practicing it in reality (or the perception of doing so). It’s more the Protestant fundamentalists who demonized Harry Potter and the like…Katy Perry, for example, was a product of this in the pre-HP era, with her parents being against even things like “Lucky Charms,” because it promoted the idea of luck. And then we have the Duggars, who eschew the majority of mainstream media. It seems to vary based on denomination and sect. I mean, you have devout Mormon authors who are technically Christian, and this sect has multiple popular fantasy authors among its members like Card, Sanderson, and more, yet the Church is also notoriously anti-LGBTQ.
Is he bothered by what he does or Moreno bothered at the idea of a sex worker being on a children's tv show? You already got a great response about some religious people being able to distinct witchcraft and magic in the playful, tv sense.
I'm catholic myself, and I can openly say it's just pure and simple hypocrisy. This branch of christianism is more "flexible" lately, since there are so many interpretations, and direct social coercion is non existent in modern communities, so people can be picky and choose where they "draw the line" (not like church encourages it, but they can't stop it and that's great). This often conduces to a very hypocritical mindset if you try to apply your own biased criteria outside. The solution: stop using god or religion, which are introspective and personal, as weapons or arguments against others.
@@cakt1991it’s not a difference between Catholics and Protestants, it’s a difference between people. I’m Christian and I’m fine with hp and WOWP. And I know Catholics who would not be. Some are just fine with it others are not.
Sounds like he needs a lesson in respecting everyone and minding his business
I think another factor is that people have really started to turn on the Ned’s declassified cast because of how they reacted to quiet on set. I didn’t know who they were or the podcast (except for Lindsey) until they reacted to quiet on set and they were panned hard for it. Tbh if they got a reboot I think either people won’t care or they’ll be mad because of their opinion of the cast. Ik it’s died down but it’ll come back probably if they get a reboot
Lindsay complaining about Spider-Man having so many “remakes”, is the same as Michelle Rodriguez complaining that’s there’s too many Marvel movies… 😂
@@justpushplay100 it’s also hilarious because there’s what 8 live action Spider-Men movies but how many Bond films are there ?
@iain9757 those are two different people complaining for two different reasons
I watched Wizards Beyond Waverly Place and its hilarious. It's a worthy sequel to the original. Alot of the jokes are really funny and the low budget special effects still crack me up just like the original.
I’m a Doctor Who fan. In 2023 the show celebrated 60 years on TV with David Tennant and Catherine Tate returning to the roles of characters they played in 2008.
There was rumours that the main big bad The Toymaker deliberately brought two fan favourite characters back because it was going to be a comment on toxic nostalgia and now people don’t really *want* what they say they what want.
The toxic nostalgia plot line didn’t end up happening and it’s so “odd to me” because fans got SO annoyed that “they cashed in on fan favourite characters just to win back fans” when I feel that most people don’t care anymore because it’s been like 15 years ago.
People might say they would watch it but they won’t.
They never will, people don’t and can’t out their money where their mouth is.
They want to be a kid again, they want Dr Who to be the highlight of the week without work, or stress or bills.
It’s not “why don’t they reboot this show I loved it as a kid” it’s actually “I wish I was a kid again”
The season was weird too. Alot of fans genuinely thought the doctor was in a fake universe with similar theories about the theme being tv related. The theories were cooler than what we ended up with
I'm so scared about the election 😢
me too and im not even american
I'm not even American, but I hope you guys pick Kamala!! 🩵
Why? Both parties are pro war and anti immigration.
Vote for jill stein ❤
It's a small actions but we all need to vote. And fr Harris anything less is a vote for facism
Bel Air is a really good reboot that is doing well. It took a season or two for it to find its footing but it has gotten better each season so far and has become its own show that gives subtle nods to the original and its working.
Cashing on nostalgia would always be unsuccessful, you just can't recreate a longing for another time of no worries and just chilling in your room watching these shows for the first time.
I think podscasts like the Wizard of Waverly Pod did it with grace- talking about behind the sciences they remember, or a random background character that had a few lines.
They clearly targeted it for the adults who were once children, and provide those nostalgic feeling for better times in the past.
Love love love that you do had your 'go vote' PSA at the very beginning of the video, so many UA-camrs sneak it in at the end of the vid and I'm like ??? DO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE 30 MINUTES 30 YES 30 MINUTES
A community cinema near me presented the entire twilight saga a few weeks ago and I went with my friends and I've never had so much fun on a cinema before.
Yes, there's something just fun about the experience of the Twilight films. It's fascinating. Have you ever watched the parody film Vampires Suck? It's hilarious!
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I have but I don't find it funny. I don't usually enjoy parody that dont have any respect or love for what they are parodying
@summerchild_ fair enough. I'm pretty much exactly the audience that those movies were targeting, so of course I found it funny lol
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp if you have a couple of drinks and a few friends over the original Twilight film is funnier than Vampires Suck idk
@summerchild_ that does sound like a good time!
Re: David Henrie
I thought "making it a bigger deal than it needed to be" was pretty on brand for very religious people. A lot of religious people think that "pointing out the wrong" is part of dedicating yourself to your religion. Judging other people comes with the territory, and specially making a show of it so the people witnessing it KNOW there is a "conflict between right and wrong" and hopefully understand that the people MAKING the scene are in fact in the right. If he had a little bit more charisma, he could have said "Nah, I can't believe you put Bridget Mendler here! She has a doctorate now, she's too busy researching to come back to the show!" and saved face, but he really wants everyone to know that he's talking about A CERTAIN SOMEONE and that HE'S A DEVIANT and how much HE DISAPPROVES of that behavior. It's all on brand. People should be discussing other things, like how there were several ways he could have handled that better, including asking for a pause to inform the producers in private without overexposing the issue to the young cast and yet he decided to keep going, generating all of this drama.
To his credit he has a point why would they have his character in that segment after what he does. If those kids found out what he did after when they are grown up they will be weirded out he was brought up in that context to come back for a kid show
They’re following the same path that Christy Carlson Romano did. When you can’t garner enough relevance from your other attempts to resurface, and there’s no hope of a reboot or the show you were on, turn to F bombs, discussing sex and other non kid’s network friendly material to appeal to those who grew up watching you and are grown enough to go, “Oh my gawd, I want to hear about off camera drama, that actor or actress’s sex life, or hear this seemingly squeaky clean child talk about grown up things.” When capitalizing off nostalgia fails, the default is shock value.
i stopped following her back in 2020 when she started making skits poking fun at fellow child stars who struggled publicly with their mental health, like lindsay lohan and amanda bynes. she behaves terribly unemployed for someone who is, or was, at the time, still doing voice work in animation. i literally laughed when i got her nostalgia bait podcast recommended to me. like, of course she’d go that route💀
The problem with these reboot/spin off shows is that they are so dependent on the nostalgia factor that they forget to actually make a good show with a good plot and interesting characters.
The problem with nostalgia reboots of children's shows is that it only appeals to adults, you're not bringing in new children. Disney has this exact problem at the moment, what kid that saw the live action Mulan or Lion King is going to grow up to show those movies to their own children?
@@mariokarter13 also how can those live action reboots be for a new generation when there’s multiple out a year, they’ve slowed down now due to pandemic and strikes but in 2019 there was 5 out in one year
But that makes them more mature. They tried with Lizzie McGuire and failed. Yet succeeded with Ravens Home. Also imagine the characters on iCarly are still acting the same way like they did 10 years ago... Yuck no. Also the new generation won't be interested because they don't watch TV or streaming at all.
@@Simbala-bq5vyThey do stream, and yes you do need to appeal to them. The problem ironically is that 80’s kids refuse to grow and demand all entertainment be made for them. Leaving out the kids out. Some shows should be for older audiences, some for both, and some for (gasp) just younger kids and there’s nothing wrong with that. You’d be surprised how many grown adult I’ve met won’t let their kids watch a cartoon unless it’s something they can both watch together. Not cause the show in question had offensive content but cause he thought it was too kiddie and he personally didn’t like it.
I think it’s the parasocial relationship they’ve developed with their audience. Entertainers forget that having a platform means you have an AUDIENCE. not friends. An audience. You don’t have honest friend discussions with your audience. No matter how relatable your image is, there will always have to be boundaries and professionalism. Always. Don’t ever get fooled into thinking your audience is just a bunch of friends hanging out. Never.
Now I need a video of all the polemics between PodCo and Christy Carlson Romano trying to get in this nostalgia vibe
I think Lindsey wants a Fuller House style thing to happen for Ned's Declassified in an ideal world.
2:16 the SpongeBob movie marked the end of my childhood. If I was in the audience for that screening, I would be happily/painfully sobbing for my youth. (Age 31)
I tried to listen to the Ned Declassified’s podcast because one of my favorite actors was a guest on it. I couldn’t do it. The mid sentence ads made me so angry.
I mean it is “weird to think about” but they were doing pretty typical teen things. I myself wasn’t giving bj’s at that age but I know a TON of other teens/peers that were.
I agree. It’s just teen stuff. Plus I think it threw people off cause they were actual teens and not the 30 year olds playing teens. It weird but I don’t hate them for it. Problem is that’s the perception people have of, not the actors anymore, but of the characters. Sometimes perception matters. Look at the show Felicity. That show was a hit. Then Keri Russell cut her hair and destroyed that show. It sounds silly to say in hindsight, but it’s true. The audience had a preconceived perception of the show and short hair ruined that perception. That’s what happened to Ned’s.
There's some stuff you just shouldn't tell to the public, especially if you were a kid at the time.
Thank you for putting the voting reminder in! My state is voting on abortion rights in our state election and I’m so nervous about it 😢😅 I hope it passes, bc as of now Missouri has all forms of abortion banned even medical emergencies.
The problem I have with nostalgia bait is it robs new shows/creations of the chance to fill the void. Star Wars banked off nostalgia for the space race, the original Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers. GoT was a response to LotR. Girls was the Millenial take on Sex and The City. Disney banked on adapting stories European immigrants would have grown up hearing. This is a tradition in storytelling; take what you love and make it personal. But without the name recognition or free marketing of "X but again", no one wants to risk it, especially when the IPs are concentrated in so few hands. Why make the new X when we already OWN X?
I think the whole Ned’s declassified reboot is kinda sad as Devon and the creator went to Nick with a pitch which Nick seemed to like but said no and then wouldn’t give up the IP. Like it kinda sucks that they can’t even do like a UA-cam series or something
@@hallebriede8383 the amount of companies who just hold onto IP to hold on to them yet don’t wanna do anything is WILD.
Why don’t you wanna make more money?
They could keep going back and asking to pitch. Phineas and Ferb took 15 years to get off the ground.
@ that is true, which thank god they did bc I love p&f lol but it is an animated series which hadn’t aired aka not IP of Disney yet. The Ned’s reboot would be about adult life but it would be different if it was currently made vs 15 years as the actors will be in different places in their lives. I believe the pitch was about them in their 30s so it would have to be adjusted if it does get greenlit more than 5+ years from now
I think the quiet on set doc has pretty much ended the Nickelodeon nostalgia train. They’re now rebooting stuff from the mid to late 2010s instead of the 90s and 2000s since they’ve all been tainted. They are making a live Action rugrats movie too. Disney has ran through most of their nostalgia too (aside from Phineas and Ferb) before you know if they’ll be trying to bring back shows that came out during the pandemic because realistically the nostalgia train has run its course. And honestly with animation I don’t think it counts. There’s already a million looney toons variants and scooby doo variants so cartoons have always been rebooted and we should honestly expect that at this point….
Tbf, Phineas and Ferb is coming back with new episodes
omg i came to youtube seeing if a new kayla video was up and i saw “8s ago”!! my timing loll
i feel like instead of rebooting shows with the same characters, it’d be cooler to do spin-off series within the same universes to further explore the world like what happened with happy days, laverne and shirley, and mork and mindy. i think this would’ve worked really well for the wowp reboot, especially with the amount of creatures that the show introduced. the new show could’ve focused on vampires, werewolves, angels, or even the zombies introduced in the prom episode.
So why FOP a new wish is working...also how Butch is like not involved at all
Actually yeah, that would've been really cool to see. More explored in the Wizards world.
I think that in the lane of “I.P. cash grab nostalgia pron,” Barbie set a bar in terms of artistic merit and box office success that everything else is going to be judged against, even if subliminally.
I start to feel old when the shows I grew up watching as a kid are getting a spin off or a reboot.
What’s wild is Devon has said he was still loosing baby teeth while at the same time getting brain from Lindsay. And she was two years older than him too, mind you.
I think the whole Wizards Of Waverly Place thing was blown out of proportion. Of course he doesn't want to invite a p0rn actor to guest star in the show. It's the same reason why the ginger from Boys Meets World wasn't invited to the reboot.
Bro the Ned’s Declassified podcast sounds wild. Never watched a bit of it but seems like…a lot.
I find it interesting that you left out Raven's Home and Fuller House. Two shows that went on for five seasons. They both had drama to deal with and the shows mostly did fine.
Also, I feel the need to say that if audiences want studios to produce fresh content then they should at least try to support them. While films like Megalopolis definitely are not perfect, the fact that so few people saw them to begin with, especially compared to films like Beetlejuice, show that most audiences are not willing to invest the time and money into new content over old content to ensure that it gets produced.
15:05 how did ET manage to not even get Nathan Kress's last name right 😭
The ned's declassified podcast is just super raw and transparent, about alllll sorts of life stuff. They talk about so much beyond sex or relationships. I appreciate the vulnerability and realness. Not for everyone I understand but they're just sharing honest thoughts and stories
I also feel reboots have declined jn popularity similar to suoerhero movie franchises is bc it has come at the expense of so many original contents in terms of streaming so many original shows with such great potential get cancelled bc it doesn’t bc the rating juggernaut the streaming services wanted it to be, but in addition it also has to do with budgeting issues where the streaming companies doesn’t put in investment for production costs and/or both marketing, promo costs, but then a revival or reboot series with a huge fanbase will come through and get so much investment even when it’s not popular among viewers, that’s what happened to the gossip girl reboot, so much money into that show and no one watched 😂. Even shows that aren’t reboots and revivals but built off of popular nostalgia like Ryan Murphy monsters and stranger things are attached to this, I feel this caused a justifiable resentment from a lot of viewers.
I also just think that some things just need to end. The ending is part of the journey.
To be fair, popularity and cast's behavior aside, Ned's Declassified is kinda like Good Luck Charlie for example, in that the CONCEPT of the show warrants a reboot or sequel (College Survival Guide, Adulthood Survival Guide, Parenthood Survival Guide) more so than iCarly or Zoey 101 to be honest.
Oh a Good luck Charlie revival would be awesome. Especially now that Mia Talerico is finally 16.
Good Luck Charlie is way more popular then Ned's ever was.
I actually really liked the iCarly reboot. Still mad they never gave us a season finale btw. It felt fresh while still maintaining several of the elements that made you like it originally. And unlike Raven’s Home where it aimed its show towards younger views, iCarly aged the characters up and put them in adult situations because the viewers were also adults. But it didn’t get to the point where it was as vulgar as the Ned’s Declassified cast on the podcast. From what we know about the first episode, I think the cancelled Lizzie McGuire reboot would have gone a similar direction to that of iCarly had Hillary Duff gotten her way with it.
I liked the Icarly reboot too! i do wish it was aimed more towards adults, Even though they has more adult situations, it was still in a safe family lense at the same time but it was still good. I dont think any other Reboots of these shows are good though lol
Wishing you luck at your dayjob over the next couple days, it must be like working at a flower shop on valentine`s day. Stay strong!
A GEM! This was very concise and thoughtful Kayla, an early November banger 🙏
I voted this morning before work! Thank you for encouraging everyone to go out and vote!
Kayla!! I've been loving all your uploads/the topics you've been covering lately, keep doing what you're doing
I remember seeing the puppet guy from victorious host concert of him singing famous Nick songs with an audience and I was impressed with how many adults were in there it seemed like there's a genuine audience for it.
She gave Rob that “coconut head” indeed 💀
the spongebob movie intro gave me chills, this video is so well done, Kayla !!
Im mad that they didn't do 30th anniversary of "All That" due to Schneider's creepiness.
Could've sworn this had a different title when I watched it yesterday?
tbf it's fine for a creator to change a title if they believe different words will get them clicks. Especially when a video is young, it's best to try to get more people to click on it (without being too click baity)
I voted early a couple of weeks ago.
the iCarly reboot is honestly one of the grossest ones especially after jennette mccurdy’s book and the revelations there. imagine being on a healing path and now there’s a reboot to remind you of the horrors you went through.
i’m glad she didn’t do the show again, but the fact that she’s gone is such a huge obvious red flag
The vote website in my city even has a waiting tracker for all the poll stations. I voted early so I scrolled through to find the lowest wait time. In and out within 15 min! Super easy, guys go vote!
Yeah there is definitely such a thing as being too candid.
THE SPONGEBOB MOVIE SCREENING FUUUUUCK im literally from chicago but living abroad atm 😭😭😭 i love(d) thaat movie sooooo much :) so deeply FUNNY and nostalgic and also such an apt intro to the video topic
I personally want to see more super out there weird shows like “Dark” or “Brand new cherry flavor” those shows rocked.
I just finishing watching Dark and it's one of the best shows I've ever seen. It's right up there with Breaking Bad in terms of quality!! And it ended exactly when it needed to, it didn't drag on. I hope more people watch that show, the writing is fantastic and the casting and acting are absolutely incredible!!
8:52 when you know they were 12-14 in this story it makes so much more uncomfortable and harder to hear. Which fans watching the show would know that makes this so much worse and really soured me to a reboot or even watching the podcast. They should have cut it out of it even if she sad it.
My mail in voting ballot was received and accepted let’s go. 🗳️
Ngl Kayla I was very surprised to hear the lofi new jeans in the bg lol
I'm honestly sick to death of how many "new" things coming out are just revivals/reboots of older media. Then new releases that actually ARE new have no budget or hype behind them. Studios are no longer willing to put real effort towards fresh ideas and would rather run every existing IP into the ground. I always dreamed of working in the entertainment industry and it's honestly so sad to see.
i wonder which show will get some sort of reboot next. i don’t really want any of them to as someone who wants to become a screenwriter someday (lol) but if i had to choose i’d go with big time rush
thing is btr is currently touring together again so it's like they have an irl reboot so I doubt they'll have a tv reboot anytime soon
Eh, the BTR members are focusing on their music rn so Idk if they're up to doing a revival show. Plus all of them are problematic in different way so idk if I'd want that
Lindsey is obviously losing it a bit. Didn't both the Ned podcast and her PLL podcast both get cancelled by PodCo a week or two ago? And she was posting about how PodCo basically thought she was difficult to work with or something? Super messy.
She is suffering from mental illness, she said so herself.
Vote Kamala harris yall
I undrerstand many people don't like Trump, but Kamala Harris is truly a terrible candidate. I wish people would educate themselves better before voting.
Nah
@TheCandela15 there's some policys I disagree with and some I agree with like any candidate. I'd say she's around Barack Obama level. Her economics are great much better then trumps but she's saying the quite bits of the Obama administration out loud. Like he deported a lot of people but he didn't advise it she's just saying to quite part out loud to get republican votes.
The only (yes, ONLY) revival to actually be good is Twin Peaks: The Return. The reason it works is because David Lynch and Mark Frost DID NOT CARE about the viewers' nostalgia for the show and DID NOT GIVE fanservice. It was a revisit worth taking and opening a whole new set of questions. Sure, it isn't gonna be for everyone, but it chose to be its own thing and thus it gains respect because of it.
The only other revival that worked is FOP: A New Wish, ironically because they didn’t try that hard to please old fans and the way they smoothly introduced old stuff works seamlessly.
Also, the show was canceled in season 2, but it was worth the 26 year wait. But Twin Peaks is one of the greatest shows of all time!
The reactions from the kids in the Wizards spinoff makes me damn sure they already know lol. In fact, that little girl was the first to mention it.
I think this is mostly a quality issue. Like, people generally fucking love new takes on old media (spider-verse comes to mind, but also stuff like Star Trek TNG, the Clone Wars animated show are examples), but nostalgia alone WILL NOT be able to make a bad movie profitable. People who do not know anything about storytelling (CEOs) will see something like Spider-verse's success and think that the Spider-man IP is why it was successful. No dude, its because some people had a genuine creative vision and a new story to tell with old characters. You cannot substitute artists actually trying to tell a cohesive story with a popular IP.
Edited because I forgot that not everyone will know what TNG is lol.
The only reboot or sequel I would accept is a Hannah Montana movie written and directed by Greta Gerwig.
They're so pathetic begging for a reboot like get over yourselves 😂
They pretty much tarnished their brand. Lindsay talking about running through all the cast members on the set, making fun of Drake Bell,who was Sexually Abused by Acting Coach & getting Jealous because wizards of Waverly place was giving a reboot but not their show
Ned was not a top tier Nickelodeon program.
Rugrats
SpongeBob
Avatar: The Last Airbender
All That
Kenan & Kel
Hey Arnold!
iCarly
Zoey 101
Drake & Josh
The Fairly OddOarents
Big Time Rush
Jimmy Neutron
The Amanda Show
Are You Afraid Of The Dark?
Ren & Stimpy
Invader Zim
Danny Phantom
Victorious
Those Shows were major Hits for Nickelodeon and Carries more to their name than what Ned Declassified had
It's never gonna happen. Move on and go audition for other gigs. Leave the show in the past.
@NewBloodMoon6000 Preach! I've never seen many episodes of the show and I was a young child when all the shows you listed were on. Seemed like even Nickelodeon didn't care for the show.
i wouldnt even want a reboot, the cast's podcast has given me such a bad ick id rather never hear about ned's declassified ever again . idk it felt very "pick me" the way Lindsey was bragging about "getting around"
I’d actually love a sequel to Ned’s Declassified. They should have kept their conversations about sex private instead of publicly talking about it in a podcast.
Agreed
i’m old enough to remember when the memoir “Growing up Brady” came out . . .
Short answer: nobody asked for one.
Can I just say how much I approve of the ending credit music choice? It brings back in the SpongeBob opening, while also being about the regret of taking something too far by running it into the ground past it's original value. A spot on choice for this video 😂🧡
I’ve never liked Lindsay Shaw even as a kid, I stopped watching PLL because of her, something about her always gave me the creeps 😅
Great video! Thank you!