Building above ground in Dwarf Fortress AKA Speedrunning Carpal Tunnel
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2022
- Above ground forts have long been an alternative and wierd way to play Dwarf fortress, so after familiarizing myself a little with the steam version of DF I thought I'd make one for the content.
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Dwarf fortress is basically the daddy of all colony management games, and whilst at times it can be frustrating and arcane, it's unparralelled in the depths of it's simulation.
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This channel is about to explode isn't it. Gosh darn majestic production and delivery! Time to go binge watch your back catalogue
Oh my, isn't that something. You up at 1AM rambling around UA-cam too then spiff?
one posh british youtuber tips his hat to another
I just sound posh, rough as a badger's arse in reality I assure you.
Posh cunts love ya
@@HazzorPlaysGames To americans, most brits sound posh. you gotta really try to sound shitty lol
We gone from playing Rimworld as Dwarf Fortress to playing Dwarf Fortress like Rimworld
completely unintentional too, I had no idea I had timed that Rimworld game so well. Sheer dumb luck
@@HazzorPlaysGames not super sure what you're trying to say. Rimworld released alpha in 2014.
@@Jairjax I'm referencing the fact that I made two rimworld videos in which I played a colony of Dwarves without knowing that this was coming out the next week.
Also, did you know that the first version of Dwarf fortress came out in 2006?
@@HazzorPlaysGames oh my bad, i see
Haha hilarious; I couldn't get into RimWorld myself reminded me to much of df
You make me want to play DF like this, you sick, sick man...
Also, the fortress didn't get any migrants because the dwarves didn't know it was a dwarf fortress -- they saw it and assumed it was humans, probably.
DON'T DO IT.
unless you've got a good ergonomic mouse setup
@@HazzorPlaysGames I played DF classic exactly like this lmao, only reason i could was because every log was brown.
But its wierd that the migrants were so minor, every building becomes much more valuable due to it being constructed instead of mined.
@@Cotac_Rastic Migrants actually have to come from somewhere, they don't magically spawn out of thin air, the fewer the dwarves in the world the fewer migrants available.
There could've been some sort of cataclysmic war that led to their near extinction as I've seen a few times (Almost always due to goblins)
@@Cotac_Rastic The migrant problem is almost certainly due to the trade caravan not leaving for 3 years. It happened to me and removing the depot fixed it for me as well.
@@Cotac_Rastic you need trade caravans departing to spread the news about your fortress to attract more migrants
And there was one miserable dude stuck for 3 years disabling any wealth updates.
You know you've gone deep into Dwarf Fortress when:
1. You've found "Candy"
2. You got to meet the Clowns
3. You have made functional mine cart system, that doesn't kill your Dwarves.
I like how trying to make an on rails transportation totally safe is a major achievement. Really emphasizes how lethal everything is.
Finding Candy and the Clowns its gonna be a Big Fun moment for a lot of new people trying DF!
@@AlphaCarinae yes. they say that just to not spoil it for other people
guess you haven't read many of the players' stories then. enjoy the holidays.
@@AlphaCarinae I have something incredible to tell you: The vast majority of stories are made up. It's why games and books are called 'fictional.'
One of my favourite fortress concepts that I always end up defaulting back to is where you build an above ground human-looking tavern that hides the dwarf fortress underneath the wine cellar.
That's an awesome idea, I usually build a castle on the surface
"A single cyclops is hadrly a fortress-ending threat"
Kruggsmash:
*Hold my plump helmet beer*
You were right by the way. The reason more migrants started showing up is because the traders are the ones who determine how "wealthy" your fort is and that is what determines how many migrants show up. Its an attempt to simulate how traders are spreading word of your fort wherever they go and when dwarves from other settlements hear about it they get interested or disinterested in setting off to find their fortunes at your fort.
Since you had that one trader trapped in a bug he never got to report how wealthy your fort was and you were stuck with your first trader as a reference for your forts wealth. And they likely only saw the poor beginnings of your fort giving it a poor wealth rating. When you released the trader your "wealth" was updated and more dwarves were allowed to flock to your fort in migrations.
This game just keeps surprising me after so many years
A few months back I had to build an above ground fortress due to the presence of a heavy aquifer. The fort was positioned on a large island, so the only threats were kobolds stealing things. As such, the fortress became a tall wooden building surrounded by a moat and three bridges; that moat killed more or my dwarves than anything else in that fort.
As an aside, the interface for the steam version is hard to get used to, and the lack of visible alerts is too; while it’s good to not have the camera moved every time there’s a cavern collapse, it’s also annoying to find out that a badger-man was eaten by your dog by finding a badger skull in the refuse stockpile.
There's a lot of work to be done with the alerts. Currently they only point to where the event happened, not where any involved currently are. I want combat to pause, but only sometimes. It all needs to be modular I think.
Also can we tab through dwarves easily please? And show their happiness in their character sheet?
Quill18 has made or uses some sort of mod that makes alerts much better.
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Now i havent watched the video yet but i have built a fortress above ground before and the words i would use to describe the experience is definitely "digital torture".
Yeah, that's about right.
@@HazzorPlaysGames ps thank you for the vod channel I don’t always have the time to make it to the streams
Haha that’s funny because digital can mean “electronic” or “having to do with fingers”
…I’ll see myself out
@@rav1n393 And they're both right!
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Quick note, you can sustainably farm crops which use their seeds by using work orders. Farming these crops produces more than one seed per plant on average. If you use work orders when processing these seeds, you can use the excess new seeds to produce while making sure you have some remaining to plant.
For rock nut oil, you can make a work order to extract the oil, set it to be repeated say 5 times, and set a condition so that it only occurs if your number of rock nuts is greater than 15. Thus, you will always have 10 left to replant, and will use your excess to make oil.
I much prefer to watch these where you're a story teller, very enjoyable content ❤️
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You should give Kruggsmash a look, he does this more often!
Not sure if you ever figured it out but one change with the steam version is that logs can be turned into 4 wooden blocks while in previous versions it was 1 log -> 1 block. This would have made building the outdoor wood buildings much faster!
Ah, like minecraft
@@halleyscomet0867 Imagine if MC had a DF type mod. I'd play the shit out of that.
@@nomad4611 MineFortress is that but it’s still in development but you can play it
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That seems like a very significant version difference, despite googling telling me that the two should be functionally the same
Are there any more such big gameplay differences?
16:20 You should look into Macro functions built into the game. You can save a repeatable pattern for bedrooms that you can use with a button press.
The one time I made an above ground fortress, I did it by carving a hill down into a castle so that it would still count as underground. If I got back into the game and wanted to make a proper above ground town by additive methods, I'd probably dig out a quarry or some cellars so I could at least build the ground floor walls out of stone and save the wood for floors and furniture.
That's the way to go IMHO. Stone blocks are just way easier to work with than logs.
Unless something important has changed in the new steam release anyways. Haven't had time to play it yet so I'm not sure there.
i want to make a tower fortress, not a very large base either, just like a 16x16 base, going as far into the sky as possible. obviously with some basements for stone/farming, and a larger perimeter wall to allow for safe trading.
last time i did it...I started by building a fully functional giant underground fort, THEN building the aboveground stuff.
Lots of vomiting ensued.
I haven't played the Steam version yet, but one of my favorite challenges is building above ground domes connected by mid-air walkways -- all out of glass (usually green glass, but clear if I'm feeling particularly up for a challenge).
This Fortress continues over here - ua-cam.com/video/jbAXxhFTbdM/v-deo.html
Hey folks, here's the inevitable Dwarf Fortress video, I hope you enjoy, it turned out to be quite a lot more exhausting than I had expected to play above ground like this.
Thanks as ever to those that choose to support me in the many ways they do, be it patreon, subscribing on twitch, or in the many ways possible right here on youtube.
Just FYI, In the settings there is an option to turn on the keyboard cursor, which will allow you to use the keyboard for building/selection. There are still hotkeys for everything and they can be rebound if you prefer the old shortcuts. Macro's are also still a thing and very easy to use(ctrl-r(ecord), crtl-p(lay),crtl-s(ave),crtl-l(oad)). Basically, you can still use the keyboard for most things in DF premium, only certain menus need the mouse input, I believe.
Never watched your videos before, but as a DF new Comer I much prefer this style to the more grindy granular videos
Someone else pointed this out and I had a go, you still can't select materials with the mouse right? Because that's actually the biggest time sink in construction
@@HazzorPlaysGames You could just use the "Use closest material", which is not ideal but still, it's one way to do it.
Immediately subscribed to the Vod channel cause I was digging through the comments, love what you're doing Hazzor, how'd you come up with the name? I thought it was a reference the the King in Yellow, but his name is Hastur, so I just misremembered lol
You could build Russian-style habitation blocks with stairs going to other levels of bedrooms and start building a regular metropolis.
That's actually pretty close to what I'm building, they're just two floors at the moment but the plan is mostly to go upwards rather than outwards.
Хрущевка my beloved
honestly, I'm more impressed you managed to get 4 statues of dwarves not only made, but placed near each-other
There is a statue of flies sitting outside the southern gate... and a goose by the western one, I got pretty lucky with them though yeah, they're gold too...
17:39 The cyclops charges the dwarven child is such a beautiful line to read for some reason
Incredibly clean editing, very excited to see you continue.
Man on man this is gonna be fun I can already tell. As someone that's spent thousands of hours in Rimworld, this game looks like it'll be an absolute blast. The elevation system alone blows my mind, especially with the water simulation. It kinda reminds me of oxygen not included where different gases and liquids had actually physics based simulations and that was what drew me into that rabbit hole.
Strike the um, tree?
"Why do dwarves use axes? Because elves live in trees."
quite a lot of them actually live in my Tavern... is this a problem?
@@HazzorPlaysGames
Nah, I had some elves in my fortress last game and it worked well, until the undead dwarves... poor dwarves, the elves are very weak
Hi Hazzor, great video! I've always loved the idea of an aboveground fortress and watching this has definitely given me a way forward to trying it out.
About your crops.... Crop yield is determined by the skill levels of your farmers and soil quality. The lower your farmers skills the less yield you will get especially with lower quality soil. The yield can even be as low as 0 meaning you get nothing from planting that crop and come up with a net loss in usable seeds until you run out.. Yield is usually from 0-6 each tile that is planted, with higher yields more likely with higher quality soil and higher farmer skills. The way to directly counter a net loss is by fertilizing your farm plots. Set to fertilize every season (so you don't have to keep microing as much), then make potash for fertilizer. Fertilizing your farm plots makes it so that even the lowest skill farmer will get at least 1 usable plant from a tile instead of 0, meaning that at worst your are maintaining your supply instead of bleeding seeds. Using this method has made it so that my farmers can keep farming, increase their skills, and get bigger yields until you drown in extra seeds.
Hope this helps!
Awesome video. I love to see people take on the challenges of building above ground. I didn't see anyone mention it in the comments so sorry if I overlooked it. You can setup a kiln plus a zone(nearby your mega project to save time) to collect clay at and the dorfs will pile up tons of the stuff for you to build with. Doesn't leave much variety to build with and if you want to cook it into blocks it's still going to take fuel, however clay can be used to build walls/floors raw and I've found it saves me quite the headache when building above ground.
This was VERY entertaining content. I am learning how to play after getting this as a Christmas Present, and this helped me be motivated to learn more about this game!
Love this. You're voice is naturally a fantastic medium for fantasy story telling and this feels like an epic in the making.
Nice video quality :) Never saw your content before but im glad this came in my recommended. episode 2's gonna be LIT
Great video! As someone who only recently started dabbling in above ground construction, you did a good job here. Also, yes, rock blocks are the way to go! They can also be stored in bins.
Heard about this games full release a short while ago and I knew of its existence thanks to Minecraft facts and I got to say you voice is just amazing for narration and I was instantly hooked to your fortress and this game. Hope to see more from you!
I do actually remember reading that travelers and merchants "update" how your fortress is seen by people outside of it so it may very well be that the first merchant caravan stuck in your fortress for years just made it so people thought it was a rudimentary outpost of 6 people for all that time
Or dead since no one came back for years.
Random thought. What would happen if you give the battle log to ChatGPT and ask it to create a summary?
ChatGPT now have PTSD
@@ImmersedInHistory it barely function now
I don't comment a lot but this time I will do it because I just found out your channel and already fell in love with it , how you explain , tell the story and your calm voice with the music , it's god damn majestic , I love your work and hope to see more of it !
I totally expected this channel to be bigger when I scrolled down based on how well made and fun to watch this video was. Here's to blowing up!
Would love to see more of this, great vid and an amazing game!
As others have said, a very well made video, having the sound track adds so much and your voice is absolutely perfect. Are you the dude who does the Ahoy videos?
Damn, I really hope Dwarf Fortress challenges and vids will start to pop up on youtube in the future now that it's on steam, it's about time
What a damned good video man. I see myself returning to watch this one several times.
My youtube recomendation feed just gifted me with your channel for Christmas. Time to watch all your videos, keep it up!
Looking forward to hearing more surface tales. Merry Christmas!
Could you perhaps put together a "small" tutorial for DF? My skills of a thousand hours in Rimworld aren't carrying over that well.
There is something effortless about the information you convey, I learned about way more than I thought I would.
Thanks, that's very kind.
this is a fantastic video, keep up the great content
Lovely video format, fella! Props.
Best way of making walls:
1. Try to make a lot of a single type of block in the production menu. For example, let's say you have a TON of granite, or birch wood (two things my current fort has almost too much of). Just force them to make blocks out of the most common material.
2. Forbid all undesired construction materials in your stock screen before building. It can be done in just 3 clicks. First click the button that disallows all chunks, then the button that disallows all blocks, then reallow all the blocks of your desired type. After that, when building the wall, select "use closest material" and now you can skip the material selection screen, effectively painting your walls.
3. Reallow all the chunks/blocks after you're done planning out your walls.
It sounds complicated and sounds like it would take longer, but it really does save time.
When I did this, I set up multi story watchtowers at strategic points along the map with underground tunnels connecting them for my crossbow dwarves to rapidly and safely respond to attacks. They usually defeated sieges outright, and any survivors weren’t in great shape when they met up with my axe dwarves.
This was very enjoyable! Congrats!
You managed well, congrats hope your channel grows more
Aw ma, I just finished my script for a video for this challenge. Was hoping to get the first on this for steam release. Good video, though. Gave me some ideas for my fort. As a sorta-newbie at DF, I didn't know about the stones and blocks. That will be super helpful
Something serious under this great video: If you have problems with your wrists just use simple sweatbands for your wrists while working on the pc. After little time you will be more than used to them and it really makes desk work on the pc more pleasurable. Thx for coming to my ted talk.
Also: Somebody make a gamer sweatband brand, market them adequately and earn millions. (also send me money when [not if] it works)
Razer used to sell them, or maybe they just came with certain orders... Not sure, either way I had one when i was about 16.
My wrists are actually fine, just a joke for the video, but nonetheless good advice
you're a breath of fresh air aren't you, lovely narative, storytelling and editing
Logs can also be turned into blocks at a 4:1 ratio at the carpentry workshop :)
6:30 Funny anecdote on that note, I recently started a new fortress and before I had even dug down a single Z level I had three monster slayers, a Hammerman, a Speardwarf and a Swordsdwarf asking for residency in my fort.
That shouldn't be possible. Monster slayers don't show up till you break into one of the cavern layers. They were probably all just mercenaries. Not sure what exactly causes it but sometimes mercenaries are extremally common. I also never accept them or monster slayers because they never apply for full citizenship.
I've modded in playable humans and building a brick castle is a tedious but satisfying delight. You can build four posts of wall and a bridge over the top to make a 'tent' of sorts. This lets you put beds and tables 'indoors' with only a tree's worth of logs.
wow how did i miss df coming to steam? this looks awesome.
good video, too!
This video was great! Love your stuff!
thank you for the highly enjoyable video/story. Now I want to play DF too, dang it.
Looking forward to more DF, this was a fun video!
i subbed because of the smooth way you added it in XD
Also you can store blocks in bins rather than each one taking up a tile.
yes, this is nice.
YEEEELL! great video, I've played classic a little bit and starting out on the steam version so am all about anything DF at the moment :) cheers
Nice video bud. Hope to see more DF content.
Fantastic video, and a James May reference to boot.
Incidentally, I had my first monster encounter tonight. A Weremammoth who stomped four of my Dwarves flat before my militia killed it. Those four then turned at the next full moon, and turned four more before I killed three of them. The last one turned back into a Dwarf, only to join the other four on the next full moon after that. Finally, my fortress was reduced to just two Dwarves, a man and a child, who both transformed into rampaging monsters once a month.
Thanks, appreciate it.
I got really lucky to not have a single werebeast here. They tend to be ruinously bad
*Joins in on the yelling*
"WHY ARE WE YELLING!?"
Tip: you can reduce carpal tunnel by clicking "use closest material" when building stuff so you don't have to choose what kind of material to use
I can’t wait for goblin,elven, human, every other creature fortress to come out 🤣
kobold fortress wen?
@@HazzorPlaysGames There's actually an interesting mod for that on the workshop for dwarf fortress, hmmm...
any chance to play as a demon won't be bad also..
sorry.. clown
Ok, you got my sub! Fantastic commentary.
dude i commend you for putting up with the game's building mechanics. It's *so* frustrating how dwarves will suspend construction if there's literally *anything* in the tile they need to be building, rather than just...say, moving it. Twice as frustrating when the thing blocking construction is the material they need to actually build it. *Really* made me appreciate Rimworld a lot more, lmao.
That moat waterfall is awesome!
Great video man. Reminds me of Kruggsmash a lot. Hope to see more!
Excellent stuff man, please upload more DF.
OMG your Dwarfs are turning into SMALL ELFS!!!! That explains all the many wooden artifacts!
15:10 I think it has. I have a stuck merchant since forever (thank you for making me realize removing the Trading Post solves that) and didnt have other traders OR migrants since that happened. Only performers.
i hope one day i get inspired to play the steam version. my two big things i did in dwarf fortress is 1. build a big waterfall that extends down the center of my base and 2. building a big rooftop area where my archers can shoot enemies from. both took quite a lot of planning and work to not f up, especailly the waterfall. so much better than rimworld but requires so much more effort and work
This was very enjoyable :)
more pls
Dwarf Frotress: strike the earth!
Hazzor: "no"
Your videos are so good my friend well done!
Thank you so much for the blocks thing, omg
Rye isn't just a hipster version of wheat, it's a weed that got so good at pretending to be grain that people started intentionally cultivating it. Still tastes like ass imo.
Such a cool concept!
nice video! easy to follow along for a new player :)
Glad you enjoyed!
The production quality of this vid and your narration has me surprised at your lack of subscribers, subbed. Have a good one and I look forwards to watching your channel blow up :)
Oh hell yeah Dwarf Fortress!
I always do partial above ground. It just adds that much more chaotic energy I need
Oh, I figured out how to do the seeds thing sustainably recently. But it requires a mess of linked stockpiles. Basically you do a x number of seeds (say rocknuts in the linked stockpile), and you make the work order be "if there are greater than X rock nuts, then grind X-n rock nuts". ie: If there are greater than 10 rocknuts, grind two. And so then you only get seeds ground where there's still enough remaining as a buffer in the background. Imho, setting up the stockpiles is the worse part.
This game is so much better to watch than to try to play... The lack of QOL features is actually physically painful
I love this format. Dude I disband my damn squads all the time. I think I may have finally learnt my lesson.
Always a good day when Hazzor uploads :)
I have become deeply invested in this fortress
Don't know how i found this channel but I'm happy that I did
One rock nut planted by a good grower in good soil makes 3-5 rock nuts and tons of leaves. Leaves go to the kitchen, rock nuts back to the plots.
Set up a work order to grind rock nuts when more than 50 are available, and link that to a job to press rock nut slurry. Ezpz.
The aboveground crops that can't be brewed/milled are doomed to run out though, yeah.
The "sun" symbol is called currency sign. In unicode it is planned as a generic placeholder for other currency signs, it is sometimes used as standalone in games just denoting currency
Since the blocks/bricks information came up and "yelling" was suggested. Blocks are also a great way to train fledgling dwarves new to a job if you can. For the cost of time, you multiply your resource, let it stack to higher numbers, make future jobs with it faster, and raise its value. Theres a chance a lot of your unexpected wealth growth was at least in part due to the blocks themselves. The biggest issue is you end up needing a lot more bins, and input time vs raw material building.
Wow, this game looks like a lot of fun
my favorite above ground run was settling on a volcano digging out massive obsidian casting chambers and using only obsidian to build massive fortress/tower Barad-dûr style.
Then channeling lava to the surface turning surounding greenery into hellish landscape.
that made me quite popular with local elf population XD.
Also, keyboard is vastly superior to mouse as far as DF is concerned.
I just started a volcano fort this morning, underground though this time...
@@HazzorPlaysGames dorfs and lava is most fun combination
FYI: You have great story pacing. Great videos.
I honestly thought I was watching a spiffingbrit video haha, well done dude!
Enjoyed the video!
Wow what an explosion of subscribers, congrats!
alright chief I'm gonna need about 300 more df videos from you as soon as possible that I can binge at the expense of every other obligation I have in life. Then I'm going to need you to do the same thing for every 4x, sim, and strategy game in the lexicon of gaming.
This is all non negotiable, of course.
Finally an above ground playthrough.
Great job! This fortress is gonna BIG FUN if a Dragon apears. It`s good to know that old things like kids shield are an option again, but be sure you make a uniform to the squads to aboyd that.